1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome 4 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt. My name 5 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: is Noel. They called me Ben. We are joined with 6 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: our super producer. Most importantly, you're here. You are you, 7 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. 8 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: Did you, guys, happen to grab lunch today? Yes, I 9 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: grabbed it double fisted. Well, not surprise. But what what 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: did you have for lunch today? Some delicious sausage just 11 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: just that, just just like a pile of sausage. Yes, 12 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: I threw it on a fire and then I just 13 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: grabbed it with my bare hands off the fire and 14 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: just ate upon it. You must have some real calloused hands, class, Matt. 15 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: What about you know? I had some lemon pepper chicken 16 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: breast that I prepared this morning, mixed with a nice 17 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: root vegetable medley that I had left over from a 18 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: few nights prior. It was delightful. Blue Apron dot Com 19 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: okay with myself? Whoa with your skills? Talked to you 20 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: by Blue Apron and the Gordon Ramsey Masterclass. And as 21 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: Checkers says in there, as Checkers is a fast food 22 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: chain here for people outside of the United States, as 23 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: Checkers is wont to say you gotta eat Is that 24 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: Checkers when they follow it up with you gotta eat Checkers? 25 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, there's an implication not to be too 26 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: Dennis Reynolds about it, but it remains true. And food 27 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: is one of the great U nineteen factors of our 28 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: our species. We can't agree on much, but we can't 29 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: agree that we should all probably eat something. And nowadays 30 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: it seems like a few times a year we'll hear 31 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: about a food scandal. It's so not that it's common, 32 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: but it's uh frequent enough not to be astounding every 33 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: time it happens. There's like horse meat in some pies 34 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: in the UK, or something you know, yeah, or the 35 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: spinach has been contaminated with this or the other in 36 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: its preparation process. And inasmuch as it is a thing 37 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: across our entire species, just the very word taste implies 38 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: such a specificity of preference to food, and we use 39 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: that word to talk about any kind of preference for 40 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: all things. So you know, yes, food very universal, but 41 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: also very particular. Yes, yeah, and there are also cases 42 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: of recalled yogurt, both in both senses of the word cases. 43 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: I recall the yogurt I had none the different kind 44 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: of you're talking about spoiled, contaminated yogurt that gets forcibly 45 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: removed from the market, right right, Yes, of course. And 46 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: we'll also inevitably here uh pop science studies that come 47 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,399 Speaker 1: out right that have a very alarmist, almost web Md 48 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: tone to them. You know, recent studies show that coffee 49 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: is tremendously good. Oh no, weight, bad for you? Oh 50 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: no weight, It's good again, you know, yeah, exactly like 51 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: butter is another thing we hear about sugar, and they 52 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: kind of intertwine, and one of them is giving you 53 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: cancer and the other one is saving your life. And 54 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: when you add up all these complaints and these studies, 55 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: these contradictory opinions and perspectives, it becomes alarmingly and surprisingly 56 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 1: easy to think that the world is going to hell 57 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: in a handbasket, or should I say a bread basket? 58 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: What is a bread basket? Like a cornucopia? It's I've 59 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: seen you know, I was thinking the same thing with 60 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: a bread box. They're literally just the whole bread sort 61 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: of an outdated thing too. I don't think people keep 62 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: their bread in boxes typically anymore more in plastic in 63 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: the cabinet. My parents totally have a wooden bread box, 64 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: but they don't keep bread in to do that. Yes 65 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: they do, they do, yep, and all kinds of I 66 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: was gonna say egg mcmuffins, but that's not a thing. 67 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: You've clearly gone mad, you know, you know it's it's true. 68 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: Isn't it true that bread will tend to go stale 69 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: more quickly in a refrigerator. That's that's something I had heard. Also, 70 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: I would love it if people kept bread the way 71 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: that bonds. Supervillains keep a cat, like it was just 72 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: on their armchair, and they would pet it while they 73 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: talked to you, like a nice baghette that you had 74 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: just like tucked under your arm and you pet it 75 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: like a creature. Life hack if you buy a baguette 76 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: and you eat half of it and you don't want 77 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: it to go stale, put it in the freezer and 78 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: then the next day, um put it directly in the oven. 79 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: It is fresh and crispy, as convened. Just putting that 80 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: out there, life has been hacked. Life has indeed been hacked, 81 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: and bighetts and more. And regardless of what we hear about, 82 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: you know, the dirty yogurt industry or contaminated meat. Uh, 83 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: the truth of the matter is that, at least here 84 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: in the unit I need states, things in general are 85 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: safer than they have been in the past. You can 86 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: go into a grocery store nowadays and you can buy 87 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: I can of what spam, a can of you know, uh, 88 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: the tuna. I'm thinking of things that seem weird to 89 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: be in cans. Uh. And you have a pretty high 90 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: likelihood of not dying immediately, which is amazing. Yeah. But 91 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: about deviled ham? How do you guys feel about deviled ham? Honestly, 92 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: I don't even really know what it is. I think 93 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: it's kind of like spam, but it's just canned ham 94 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: and it's got a little devil with a pitchfork on it. 95 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: To me that says, stay, oh, stay away. I love 96 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: the idea of devil to being a process. And I 97 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: think we talked before, I don't know it was on 98 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: air off about what is it to devil something, to 99 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: bedevil it? In my mind, when you devil something, you 100 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: take out a portion of it. You you mix it up, 101 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: like grind it all up, and then you put it 102 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: back on to a part that has not been ground up, 103 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: like if you devil an egg. Sure, there we go. 104 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: So maybe the ham is a portion of it has 105 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: been ground up to pieces and then put back with 106 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: the rest of the ham and as clack out maybe 107 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: bird style. I feel like we're onto something. And the 108 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: good news is that regardless of the way something is 109 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: prepared here, at least in the United States and in 110 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: many other countries, there's some sort of organization that supervises 111 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: and regulates the quality of these food products. This was 112 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: not always the case. In fact, the reason we have 113 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: the f d A today is thinks in large part 114 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: to a imperfect fellow named Harvey Wiley. It's true. And 115 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: then you and I actually did an episode about Mr Wiley, 116 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: Dr Wiley. Dare I say, um, I think he was 117 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: an empty so we'll call him yeah for our other show, 118 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History. And we talked about his poison squad, which 119 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: was a thing that he assembled, a study made up 120 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: of some very iron gutted fellows who volunteered to be 121 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: poisoned on purpose. Effectively. Yes, and that you were talking 122 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: with us about this off air. Right, Yeah, there's a 123 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: quotation about the there were twelve younger guys who would 124 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: they would go to this kitchen where foods would be 125 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: prepared for them, and with increasing doses of food additives 126 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: stuff that Um, later on, we would know you do 127 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: not want to put in your foods. But at the time, 128 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: something like borax was added to foods just because it 129 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: was a food added to increase the yield or something. Yes, exactly. 130 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: A lot of times they were for preservation, to keep 131 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: the foods fresh longer. But you know this, this gentleman, 132 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: Harvey Um, Harvey Wiley realized that perhaps some of these 133 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: are very very dangerous and they illustrated it perfectly by 134 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: giving these increased doses until the subjects would just get 135 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: awfully sick. And they realized that that's the threshold. Oh 136 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: there we are, yeah after the fact, right, yeah, yeah, 137 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: Oh that's how much more axes? Too much more ax? 138 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: Harvey Wiley. As as you can learn in depth in 139 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: our episode on Ridiculous History, Harvey Wiley was a man 140 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: on a mission, and ultimately his work led to a 141 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: passage of law in nineteen o six that eventually led 142 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: to the f d A today, they're tasked with determining 143 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: safety standards for food manufactured in, grown in, or imported 144 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: to the US overall, as well as some exportation since 145 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: it's would be grown or created here. We live in 146 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: a divisive political age. But one thing that's beautiful about 147 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: this idea, if not this organization, is that everyone can 148 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: agree it's it's a good thing to try to keep 149 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: fingers and meat packing factories attached to the hands they 150 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: came in with instead of in you know, your next 151 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: uh can of deviled ham. And that's not to say 152 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: that there aren't conspiracy theories about the f d A 153 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: and what they may or may not be doing at 154 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: l and programs, and that we've covered before in the show, 155 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: and if you're interested, you can look up some of 156 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: our some of our stuff on GMOs and there's several 157 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: other topic rominaded vegetable oil. Yeah, and whether or not 158 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: the you know, the conspiracy theories around whether or not 159 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: the FDA is purposefully trying to get some of these 160 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: things into our diet. But you know, that's for another day, 161 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: and we're gonna look at both sides of that in 162 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: a little bit. But before we do. Why don't we 163 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,239 Speaker 1: kind of give a little rundown of some of the facts. Absolutely, 164 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: So let's look at the scale of the FDA first, 165 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: the Food and Drug Administration. They are a huge deal. 166 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: Some estimates report the twenty cents out of every single 167 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: dollar Americans spend goes toward a product that has been 168 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: supervised or regulated by the FDA. We're talking one trillion 169 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: dollars in goods. Wow. I got to the grocery store 170 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: like five times a week. I like to do little shops, 171 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: so I definitely am part of this trend. And here's 172 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: the here's the hilarious thing about an entity with so 173 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: much power that has such an ubiquitous effect right on 174 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: consumers and on organizations. As Matt said, the FDA is 175 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 1: often roundly criticized, but it's criticized in such a strange way. 176 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: It's often accused of both overregulation and at the same 177 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: time underregulation, doing way too much and doing not near enough. Constantly, 178 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: it's constantly accused of these things. Well, yeah, and you 179 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: imagine that this one administration one, I mean a very 180 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: large group of human beings that are working at it, 181 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: but they're they're covering, Like you said, a whole host 182 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: of different products, from drugs to food. That's a lot 183 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: of things, man, I mean one trillion dollars in goods. 184 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: That's a lot of goods. I mean each one of those. 185 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: You know, some might be less than a dollar, like 186 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: a like a particular piece of produce, but you know, 187 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: a lot of package stuff it's like five or six bucks. 188 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: We're talking about millions and millions and millions of individual 189 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: items of food that this one organization, SHIN is responsible 190 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: for ensuring that we are not getting poisoned by Yeah, 191 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: and I love to point that out too, because we 192 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: are counting things that are less than a dollar. Everything 193 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: from a single grape, if you if you buy a 194 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: single grape, if you're at that point, a kiwi, a kiwi, 195 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: that's probably a better example, uh, to the you know, 196 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: to some very high end seafood or something. Sure, let's 197 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: look at the idea of overregulation. When people talk about 198 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: the FDA overregulating stuff, they're talking usually about what they 199 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: see as some sort of unfair censorship in terms of 200 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: the language used in advertising and products exactly. So, take 201 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: dietary supplements. We've all we've all seen the infomercials, you know, 202 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: my life was a dumpster fire, and still I started 203 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: taking fish oil eight times a day. Or you know, 204 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm making that example up. Those products fall smack dab 205 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,239 Speaker 1: in the middle of the Venn diagram between food and drugs. 206 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: Almost a drug, almost a food, but not quite either, 207 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: which is the slogan for Matt's Newurbal supplement company, right, Yeah, 208 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: it's not quite food or a drug. Matticaps like that, 209 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: the fine makers of Matt Mints. Yeah. So the the 210 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: advocates of the supplement industry, people hoisting all kinds of 211 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: vitamins at you. They'll argue that the FDA prevents manufacturers 212 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: from making claims about the effectiveness of a product, even 213 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: when research, they say, proves the benefits are genuine. But 214 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: you're you're talking about such a range here of of 215 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: things that a supplement can supposedly do, because you can 216 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: still find things occasionally that will claim to cure cancer, 217 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: and it will be a supplement of an extract of 218 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: a certain fruit or a berry or something. And you know, 219 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: when you when you still can have things like that, 220 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: my opinion is that you need to have something regulating it. Say, 221 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: you know, you can't say that this will let you 222 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: be able to fly. Mm hmm. That's probably a bad idea, right. Well, 223 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: there's also I mean, how is saying something would cure 224 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: cancer any different? Correct? People on the other side would argue, Yeah, 225 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: that's that's a great point because we have to ask 226 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: why why this comes about. It's because, as far as 227 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: the f d A is concerned, legally, dietary supplements, whether 228 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: they are purported cancer cures, it's vitamin B twelve, what 229 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: fish oil, whatever you want, regardless they're considered foods, which 230 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: means they're makers can only create limited claims about the 231 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: structure or function, and specifically, to Matt's point, they cannot 232 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: claim that any supplement can prevent, cure, or mitigate UH 233 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: disease or condition, regardless of what kind of scientific literature 234 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: they find or pay for regarding those abilities. And I mean, 235 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: through our various shows that we do here at how 236 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: stuff works, we've encountered advertisers that have very specific language 237 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: in the copy that they give you where it says 238 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: you cannot say this, you can you have to say this. 239 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: This is the part you have to read. And we 240 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: know that from things like medications on television and have 241 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: those litany of side effects and things that are clearly 242 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: regulated by law that they have to rattle it off 243 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: or else who would do it right, because it's just 244 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: totally derailed the experience of watching that, you know, delightful 245 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: scene of a young child and then her mother frolicking 246 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: through a field of green grass and being pushed on 247 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: a swing set or something. What's that old trope in 248 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: stock stock images and stock footage lady eating a salad 249 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: alone and laughing. Now you will not be able to 250 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: unsee that. But it's also I'm really glad we brought 251 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: this up, because I believe it or not, residents of 252 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: the United States, those strange, very vague, as Noll said, 253 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: pharmaceutical ads that we see on television are illegal in 254 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: most other developed countries. Yea, even having billboards for any 255 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: kind of drug, he's illegal in a lot of places, 256 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: but advertising of any kind, and that lends credence to 257 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: the idea that the pharmaceutical industry in the United States 258 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: has a massive amount of control. This is something that 259 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: even members of Congress take issue with. So a critic 260 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: who would say that the f d A is censoring 261 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: dietary supplement manufacturers would be someone like Ron Paul uh. 262 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: He says that this stuff comes about because the f 263 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: d A is in bed with the pharmaceutical companies. They 264 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: don't want you to know that, you know, uh st 265 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: John's wart can cure your brain fever, your I'm just 266 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: gonna make up a disease your your gutter hand. On 267 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: November tenth, two thousand and five, Ron Paul introduced something 268 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: called the Health Freedom Protection Act HR four two D two, 269 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: which he argues would prevent the f d A from 270 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: censoring truthful claims about the curative, mitigative, or preventative effects 271 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: of dietary supplements. He said this would also adopt the 272 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: federal courts suggested use of disclaimers as an alternative to 273 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: straight up censorship. So in this case of censorship or 274 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: over regulation, people who believe it also believe there's an 275 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: active conspiracy of foot by big pharma to prevent people 276 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: from knowing that their food can be their medicine, which 277 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: is something you hear a lot if you're a fan 278 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: of dead Press, another alternative hip hop. But what about 279 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: the other side of the argument, What about the people 280 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: who say the f d A is not doing near 281 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: enough For people who believe that the FDA underregulates food. 282 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: The agency is a washing corruption, a lack of oversight, 283 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: and at times purposeful railroading. A valuable medical research. Whoa, So, 284 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: what kind of stuff are we talking about here? We'll 285 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: hold your horses, buddy. We'll get right into that after 286 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: a quick ad break. So, the United States, despite being 287 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: a massive developed country, permits multiple food additives that are 288 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: generally acknowledged throughout the rest of the world as either 289 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,239 Speaker 1: unhealthy or dangerous in some way. Remember earlier when we 290 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: were talking about advertising of pharmaceuticals and billboards and stuff. 291 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: Now that's illegal, and a lot of other countries very 292 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: similar case here. Why is this? That is the crux 293 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: of the questions. So it might be surprising for people 294 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: who have traveled to the U S from another country 295 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,479 Speaker 1: to notice the change in food. If you're if you're 296 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: a redditor, if you learn on Reddit, then you'll read 297 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: things that people from other countries visiting the US have 298 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: written about regarding what confused them or what surprised them 299 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: for the good or the bad when they visited this country. 300 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: And one of the top things they always mentioned is 301 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: the food. They say it's delicious, The portions are way 302 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: too big. Why is there such an abundance, a plethora, 303 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: an over abundance of food, and then later why is 304 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: so much of this stuff so bad for people? Like 305 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: but the in specifics, we have multiple specific examples of dangerous, scary, 306 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: or even terrifying things that you might have just eaten earlier, 307 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: this week or today you might be eating now as 308 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: you listen to this podcast and pet your baget on 309 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: your arm on your armchair. One of the one of 310 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: the big examples that's familiar to a lot of people 311 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: would be food coloring. Right, food coloring, you see it 312 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: in candy a lot, and so does um and a 313 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: lot of just manufactured foods. And whereas some chemicals have 314 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: their entire name printed out, a lot of food coloring 315 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: just has a description of the color and a number, right, 316 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: like yellow number five one better than yellow number four. 317 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: Yellow number five is a very strange one. Do you 318 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: guys remember the rumors of yellow number five in Mountain 319 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: dew right when you were growing up? Did you tell 320 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: there was a rumor that was always at my school, 321 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: at least before the internets, that yellow five food coloring 322 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: would reduce your sperm count. I was going to say, 323 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: shrink or peep and and um mess with your downstairs 324 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: area in various ways. The rumors were different throughout Australia. 325 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: Huh yes, the old downstairs um. But but it goes 326 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: back to some real things in this guy named Ben 327 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: fine Gold who was he was working at, I believe 328 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: the medical center, the Kaiser Permanente Medical Center. He he 329 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: mentioned that this and other food dies may cause hyperactivity 330 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: in children, or reproposed this idea at least, and there 331 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: were studies that rebuted this claim. There were some studies 332 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: that showed perhaps there was some truth to this claim. 333 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: And it's that same situation that I think we've been 334 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: in for a long time where depending on how you 335 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: interpret data from something or data from something, let's study 336 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: like this, you can make it lean one way or 337 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: the other. Really, I mean, that makes sense, and that's 338 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: a dangerous thing we always run into. That's why you 339 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: always want to be careful when you hear nutrition advice. 340 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: You want to see not only is this from a nutritionist, 341 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: but wait, wait, what school did this nutrition is go to? Well, 342 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: not only that, like people who write studies are all 343 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: about numbers and data, and when you package that up 344 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: and put it in the press release, you are editorializing 345 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: said data, and you are giving it weight with language 346 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: that it's not really how it was intended to be read. 347 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: Maybe there's an abstract that gives you, like a basic 348 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: rundown of the findings of the study. But when it's 349 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: it's like when you start taking movie reviews out of context, 350 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it becomes a whole ball of wax, 351 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: except in this case it's your health rather than just 352 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: if your eyes enjoyed something or not true true. And this, 353 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 1: this point is so incredibly important. We would add to 354 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: it too that another question is who paid for to study, 355 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: because the scientists are typically not out there working entirely 356 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: for free. In the case of coloring agents, we we 357 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: should point out that they do play an important role, 358 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: especially if there's competition in a grocery store, because most, 359 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: not not all, but a lot of the food that 360 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: we eat has an artificial color so that it adheres 361 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: to our idea of what that food should look like, 362 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: as you know, as it was presented in a Norman 363 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: Rockwell painting or in a commercial. And this this explains 364 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: why artificial dies have increased, like the use of artificial 365 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: dies has increased fivefolds since the mid nineteen fifties. It's 366 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: like the idea of margarine being colored yellow. Margarine and 367 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 1: it's untreated form is white, but people expect it to 368 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: be yellow because it's meant to be like a butter substitute. 369 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: And there's a whole another story there about how margarine 370 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: was maligned by the butter industry because it was seen 371 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: as competition, unfair competition because it was cheaper. But it 372 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: just goes to show that we it matters to us 373 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: as consumers what color something is. I still have an 374 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: aversion to margarine just because of growing up hearing stories 375 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: about oh, don't eat margarine. What really? Yeah, well you're 376 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: from a bread box community. Well yeah, but my parents 377 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: always only stock margine at their house. Really yeah, margarine house. Yeah, 378 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: margarine house. Dude. My wife's Cuban family is like, what 379 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: is margarine? Get that out of here? Why are you 380 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: doing this to us? Matthew, and I said, I love 381 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: you and I will be with you forever because real 382 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,719 Speaker 1: butter is the way to go. So yes, so we 383 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,479 Speaker 1: see this, We we see this fight between additives between 384 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: food impersonators, right and today most artificial colors that that 385 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: you're going to find in use are actually made from 386 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: coal tar. This is the same stuff that seal coats 387 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 1: products to protect the shine of an industrial floors. You 388 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: can see it in head Life shampoo as well because 389 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: it kills lice. Yeah, yeah, great thing called indigo teen 390 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: I think is what they call it. That's the blue 391 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: number one or two number two, I believe. Just good stuff, 392 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: really good stuff. And there's there's another specific example which 393 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are waiting for us 394 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: to mention, and it's the use of antibiotics in live stock. 395 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: This regardless of whether you're a vegetarian or you're a 396 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: person who just wants to eat a live cow every 397 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: day for the rest of your life, which is a 398 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: lot of beef. We can say that they are compelling 399 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: studies UH indicating the dangers of using antibiotics in live stock. 400 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: This is used in the pork industry as well as 401 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: the beef industry, and one of the concerns there is 402 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: that this could somehow lead to the creation of a superbug. 403 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: I think we mentioned this later in our our superbug episode. 404 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: Because doctors have been historically over prescribing antibiotics to human 405 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 1: patients and there's much less regulation in the world of 406 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: non human patients. Dude, as you can probably tell, I 407 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: have a cold right now. If I went to my 408 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: doctor today with this cold, they would give me a 409 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: Z pack and send me out the door. They do 410 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: every time. I have a medicine cabinet full of these 411 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: because I never take them, because they never actually fix 412 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: the problem. And that is like a systemic cultural thing. 413 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: It's weird. Well, then, when you talk about factory farming 414 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: and just the closeness of all the animals and everything, 415 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: you're giving antibiotics many times to animals as a preventative 416 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: so they don't get sick, which is a whole other 417 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: just issue. And now in the European Union, the use 418 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: of antibiotics has been drastically phased down or out, you know, 419 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: country by country. I think Sweden bandit back in six. 420 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: You can still see it in use in some other 421 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: countries after that, but they were making phase out plans, 422 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: you know, and to take it down to like six 423 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: of our current antibiotic use. And yeah, the preventative thing 424 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: mainly mainly concerns people because it could essentially be like 425 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: a a tough love camp for bacteria. Yeah, that's you're 426 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: exactly right. In sharp stark contrast, eight percent of antibiotics 427 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: sold in the United States are used on livestock, not 428 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: on Wow. Wow, that's incredible, especially since it's becoming more 429 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: and more popular to buy non antibiotic meat, or at 430 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: least it's growing a little bit. I'm not saying it's ubiquitous, 431 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: growing as fast as those cows on the hormones, though, 432 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: are there. Yeah, And that's the whole thing. We have 433 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: so many human beings in this country and throughout the 434 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: world that you've got to provide food for them. So 435 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: how do you do that. You you you have to make 436 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: sure you have enough healthy you know, in this case 437 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: cattle or chickens or pigs or whatever, and you have 438 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: to make sure they're growing as fast as possible. There's 439 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: a really interesting film on Netflix called ka Um. It's 440 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: about the breeding of these super pigs and how that 441 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: enters into this kind of like near future kind of 442 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: dystopian society where this is part of the food production cycle. 443 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: But you start to see they kind of pitch it 444 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: as this like delightful thing where this little girl grows 445 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: raises the best super pig that's the most friendly and 446 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: the largest or whatever, and then at the end of 447 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: the day you start to see the behind the curtain stuff, 448 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,719 Speaker 1: how this sol enters into this like factory farming, meat market. 449 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: That's all incredibly dark. It's a really really cool film. 450 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it, I have not, but I will. 451 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: Oh yeah it should and uh he's right about it 452 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: going dark. Do be warned. Yeah. So yeah, while we're 453 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: while we're here in this hypothetical farm, right, let's let's 454 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: look at the hormones, the growth hormones that I think 455 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: we were mentioning here. Uh, these synthetic growth hormones like 456 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: r B G H, r B s T were approved 457 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: for using cows by the f D a way back in. 458 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: This did not fly in other countries. And at the 459 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: risk of sounding dismissive, we must ask, where's the beef? 460 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: M I know these are all gonna be clunkers today. Well, well, 461 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: the issue here is that not only do these cows, 462 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: the ones that are injected with these hormones suffer, they 463 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: suffer from significant health problems, some of which then get 464 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: treated by guess what, administering those antibiotics to the cows 465 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: that then get sick. They're also birth defects that these 466 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: these cattle have to deal with. Due to the hormones 467 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: and the products, the products for human consumption that include 468 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: r B g H and r BST, they do not 469 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: need to be labeled as being used. Now a lot 470 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: of a lot of companies will say on their packaging, 471 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: you know, these are hormone free or antibiotic free or 472 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: something like that. If you find milk, were sometimes cheeses, 473 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, those products, you'll find that. 474 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: But if it doesn't say it, you kind of just 475 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: have to hope that it's not being used. And there's 476 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: a bit of a I don't want to say a rant, 477 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: but I have a position on this which is entirely 478 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: my opinion. We know for a long time that people 479 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: had been worried about possible dangers from consuming things that 480 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: had genetically modified organisms in them or GMOs, right, and 481 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: there are similar concerns about consuming something that consuming meat 482 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: from an animal that was given these growth hormones. And 483 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: on the other side, there would be people who consider 484 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: themselves skeptical of any dangerous there and they would say 485 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: stuff like, well, uh, quite a few of the agricultural 486 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: products that we know and love today are if you 487 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: go back far enough genetically modified organisms. Corn didn't start 488 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: as corn. People made it into corn by breeding it. Uh, 489 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: And then they would say, you know, also, if there's 490 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: no hard proof that a growth hormone will injure you 491 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: if you eat it, then why do we need to 492 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: label it? But I feel like that's unnecessarily I don't know. 493 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: I feel like that's getting the wrong part of the argument, 494 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: because if it's not harmful, the opposite is true, then 495 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: why have a law against labeling it as such? But 496 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: don't you think that those foods that don't expressly say 497 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: these were not used almost definitely have these hormones in them. 498 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: It feels like that would be the assumption now, right, 499 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: because it's like a premium. You're paying a premium for 500 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: products that don't have these things because these are things 501 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: that up your yield and allow you to get more 502 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: bang for your bucks. So logic would dictate that the 503 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,479 Speaker 1: ones that cost a little more can't yield hit as much. 504 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: They have to like charge a little bit more because 505 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: they're not using these things that up there yield. So 506 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: I would you know, I just think if if it 507 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: doesn't say it, then it probably hasn't call doll get Yeah, 508 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: maybe we should maybe we should call me. Uh, he 509 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: keeps a very different schedule from our own. Very true. 510 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: I forget about Kyle. Let's call Ira. Ira will get 511 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: to the bottom of this. Oh. Actually he might just 512 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: tell us to do it for a segment. That's true, 513 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: which I am totally fine with. If you are listening, sir. Uh. 514 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: The European Commission banned hormones and livestock in nine one 515 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: due to some of these concerns, and no, ife think 516 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: you raised. I think that's a really good point. I 517 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: think it's a fair assumption to say that if it 518 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: doesn't specifically bill itself is organic hormone free, et cetera free, 519 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: then you should just assume that it does have something 520 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: in there. Right. Well, it's like if I buy a 521 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: product and it's made of plastic and it costs eight dollars, 522 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be surprised if it breaks in 523 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: two days. So it's like if I want to buy 524 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: a really nice coffee machine, say, for example, and you 525 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: get it and it's like made of machine steel and 526 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: it's gonna cost a couple hundred bucks probably, but if 527 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: I get one that's like ten bucks, I shouldn't be 528 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: surprised that it's a piece of crap because I paid 529 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: ten dollars for it. It's the same with me with meat. 530 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: If I if I'm like getting a steak that costs 531 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: two dollars, it's probably a crap steak. I mean, unless 532 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: you know the guy. Yeah, maybe it's a deal man. 533 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: Speaking of knowing the guy, though, when I used to 534 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: live in Athens, Georgia, we there's farmers markets all over 535 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: the place and you could go buy beef straight from 536 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: local farmers. So, I mean, I know that seems obvious, 537 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: but if you have access to that, that's that's the 538 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: way to go, because it's not it's a little pricey, 539 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: but it's not that much more expensive and you know 540 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: where it's coming from. Well. It's also yeah, it is 541 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: a question of affordability too, because with when we hear 542 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: about when we hear about the been a fits of 543 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: healthy living, especially where diet is concerned, one thing that 544 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: we often run into will be the inarguable fact that 545 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: some people cannot afford to you know, they could not 546 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: afford the premium at a farmer's market or whatever. And 547 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: you know, vegetarians and vegans in the audience will make 548 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: a very good point, which is that you can live 549 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: in it with a reasonable budget without consume. You can 550 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: cut out meat living a reasonable budget and eat fresh 551 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: food all the time. It just takes preparation, and I 552 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: think that's something that stops a lot of people. The 553 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: United States is not a very preparation oriented society when 554 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: it comes to food. It also takes mental fortitude, just 555 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: gotta say to make a big change like that. And 556 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: one last thing I don't like, get on a soapbox. 557 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: And in Georgia, at least if at a lot of 558 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: farmers markets, there's a program that will give you double 559 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: your snap the Snap program BBT. It will give you 560 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: double the value for spending those tokens. You convert them 561 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: to tokens at a kiosk and you get double the 562 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: value of the is that you would get the grocery 563 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: store for going to the farmer's market, So that who's 564 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: in and check to see if your state or community 565 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,959 Speaker 1: has something like that. If this is a concern to you. 566 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: While you're checking this out, also check the back of 567 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: labels for cereal bread products you buy, because it might 568 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: contain something called azo dike carbon amide or a d 569 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: a azo dike carbonomide. This is also known as the 570 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: yoga mat chemical. Yeah, you're gonna find this in commercially 571 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: based bread and in yoga mats. Makes sense, right, But Matt, 572 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: yoga mats aren't a food. Well, they can be just 573 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: add butter, not margarine butter. Don't eat your yoga mats. 574 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: I want to point out that if you practiced yoga technically, 575 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: you would be a yoga mat. Oh wow, I am 576 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: really not fans to really swinging a missing on these 577 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: jokes today. That was over the fence, my friend. That's 578 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: all good. Actually, yeah, thank you. So what is this doom? Well, 579 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: it's an additive that was a whitening agent. It was 580 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: also a dough conditioner um, and it's something that the 581 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: FDA considers safe for food uses, including cereal flour and 582 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: bread dough. Now, um, here's the deal. Does bread need 583 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: this chemical to taste good? Nope, not not at all. 584 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 1: So this is more for a textual quality or for 585 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: an appearance or cosmetic quality. Yeah, it's a textual experience 586 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: to make your bread more bread like the street of 587 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: the Yeah, the striations when it's when it's um, what 588 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: do they call it? After it's sat for a while proven, 589 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: after the dough has proved proved, and then when you 590 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: bake it, then I'm assuming this chemical gives you that 591 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: just the strations that are nice without actually having to 592 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: do the work. Yeah, and this is banned in Europe, right, oh, yeah, 593 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: totally banned in Europe. But it's found in almost five 594 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: d common American groceries, store and chain restaurant foods. And that's, 595 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: of course, despite the World Health Organization linking this chemical 596 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: to uh potential you know, diseases. It's a carcinogen they 597 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: call it, and it could lead to cancer to several 598 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: other things. But despite being legal, a lot of big 599 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: fast food chains have taken notice and action as well, 600 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: right right right. Subway phased out the ingredients in twenty 601 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: fourteen because the public found out. It caught on and 602 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: the public was saying, what's all this a d A 603 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: and the sandwich bread? That was when I first heard 604 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: about yoga mat bread was because of the Subway. Yeah, 605 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: and then Subway had a couple other kerfuffles right after that. 606 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: Would I have to talk about this that's different topic, 607 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: different episode. Yeah. And also chains like Wendy's and McDonald's 608 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: took steps to remove a d A from their supply. 609 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: And as we record today, despite the controversy, is Noel 610 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: pointed out, it remains legal in the United States. Who 611 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: you may have eaten it today, you may be eating 612 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: it currently. But what's another example, which I think I 613 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: safely say is if not Matt Knowles one of one 614 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: of my favorite examples. We'll get to it after a 615 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor. Here it is this part of 616 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: the show is going to be a little bit juvenile. 617 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: We're talking about potato chips or potato chips, hold of one, 618 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: my friend, Yes, diarrhea chips, very brown hole in one. 619 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: It's all thanks to something that was named uh one 620 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: of the fifty worst inventions by Time magazine and approved 621 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: by the FDA. It's a substance called Olestra, a calorie free, 622 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: fat free, cholesterol free chemical that removes the need for 623 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: cooking oil and all the fatty ummmy goodness it brings 624 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: with it, but salls a flavor similar to foods like chips, 625 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: sam fries. Yeah, you'll find a lestra in diet versions 626 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: of all kinds of food products, including chips, frozen yogurts, 627 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: and plenty others. And if it sounds too good to 628 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: be true. That's because it most definitely certainly Oh my god, 629 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: is they hotta call it irano lestra because it it 630 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: makes you more hungry. It's supposed to like be a 631 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: diet thing, but it actually makes you more hungry. Well, yeah, 632 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 1: I I would say it is because it seems deliberately 633 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: contrary to what was expected. Right. It's it's like buying 634 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: a seat belt that is that you know, kills you. 635 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: It's like the oh Henry of foods. There we go. 636 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,399 Speaker 1: It's like the Shamalan of snacks. Exactly. It's like rain 637 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,359 Speaker 1: on your wedding day, you know what I mean? There 638 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: we go, We got there. Don't we feel like we got? 639 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 1: We got to have reference? Yes or lestra around lester? 640 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: Why what's the hubbub with this stuff? Well, in addition 641 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: to actually being a appetite increaser um, it has been 642 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: linked to gastro intestinal disease in children and terrible awful, horrible, 643 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:08,760 Speaker 1: no good, very bad bouts of diarrhea and grown adults. Yeah, 644 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: and if you if you feel the need to personally 645 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: investigate this, just uh go find some chips. I'm sure 646 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: you can find some with that ingredient. Because it's just 647 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: the legal in the United States, and give yourself a 648 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: few hours off, you know what I mean, go home first. 649 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: It's research research. You'll you'll probably see it listed as Olean, 650 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: which is like the brand name. You might even see 651 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,760 Speaker 1: Lestra somewhere. Um. Probably in American foods, you'll find Olean. 652 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: You will not find it in Canada or Europe, however, 653 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: because that's where it is banned. What else you might 654 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,399 Speaker 1: be thinking? What else at this time? What? What other 655 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: terrifying things did I have on my plate when I 656 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 1: sat down and said, I'm gonna listen to this podcast 657 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,399 Speaker 1: while I well, I have a nash one of could 658 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: be arsenic. Yeah, straight up poison like old lace, arsenic 659 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: and old lace like that stuff. Uh, it's so famous 660 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: and mystery novels of yesteryear. It's still allowed in small 661 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,399 Speaker 1: levels in chicken feed here in the US, not in 662 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: the European Union. It's actually such an effective poison um 663 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: in those days of yesterday because they didn't actually have 664 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: a test for it, and that didn't come until much later. Yeah. 665 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,280 Speaker 1: And here's the thing. When you have arsenic and chicken feed, 666 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 1: it gets in those chickens. Uh, pesky pesky thing. About 667 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: chicken feed gets into the chickens, and then the chickens 668 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: somehow get into you, and then there's arsenic in you. 669 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: That's not good. And the f d A, for their 670 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: for their part, stresses that the amount of arsenic involved 671 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: is too tiny to be dangerous to people who eat chicken. 672 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,320 Speaker 1: A lot of this has been exaggerated on the internet. 673 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 1: It's not as if someone just tried to kill a 674 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: bunch of chickens found out they loved arsenic and said, hey, 675 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: we've got a good thing going. Uh. It goes back 676 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: to a It goes back to a substance called rocks 677 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: or zone, which is made by Fightser, And they announced 678 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: that they would discontinue the sale of the additive. But 679 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 1: at the at the time this was still a this 680 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:25,359 Speaker 1: was still a very controversial thing. In two thousand eleven, 681 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:31,439 Speaker 1: the f d A announced that Fiser, through its its 682 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 1: subsidiary al Pharma, voluntarily suspended the sale of this stuff, 683 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: which was also called three nitro, because of an f 684 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: d A study that detected inorganic arsenic UH higher levels, 685 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,240 Speaker 1: specifically in the livers of chickens. Did you say three nitro? 686 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: Three nitro? That sounds like some sort of like fruity 687 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: malt beverage, like four loco. I feel like it sounds 688 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,720 Speaker 1: like a great nickname for someone. I'm really into nicknames 689 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: now have specific numbers. I really like three nitro. Well, 690 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: maybe that could be maybe we should do you think 691 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: Paul would let us call it three nitro? Paul three 692 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: nitro decond Yeah, super producer, Paul three nitro, three dog nitro. 693 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: Here we go. And then the the list of these additives, 694 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: it goes on and on and on. There were going 695 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: to be several that we don't have time to mention today. 696 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 1: One example would be that shiny coding on apples short 697 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: name is d p A that is also banned in 698 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: other countries but available here in the US. And you 699 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: wash your apples, make sure you wash your apples, you know, 700 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 1: not naturally shiny like that, like when the teacher shines 701 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: it up on their their pants. That person was wearing 702 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: d p A, naughty. It looked like, I know, it 703 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: looked like fabric. They were dp ants. They were Oh. 704 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: As we search for a dp answer to the to 705 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: to the controversies around the f surrounding the f d 706 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 1: a UM, what we learned is that these are just 707 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: some of the common contaminants or additives if you prefer 708 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: that you might have eaten recently. And this leads people 709 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: to larger concerns, not just folks who would describe as 710 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: health nuts, but people who are just you know, see 711 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: themselves as reasonable. Right. They might splurge on a on 712 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: a crate, on a huge steak now and then, but 713 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: usually they're like three square meals day, a couple of snacks, right. Uh. 714 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 1: Even people who don't consider themselves health nuts often believe 715 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: that the f d A may be too closely related 716 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: to the industries it is meant to oversee. No, stay 717 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: it ain't so, you know, you can say to many 718 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: times as you want to on a podcast like this, 719 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 1: there is a revolving door between private industry and government regulators, 720 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 1: and it just I don't know how you close it, 721 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: because it revolves. You can't close it, and it's just 722 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:59,399 Speaker 1: gonna exist. Before two, the f d A was, as 723 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 1: you would spect fully regulated and mainly funded by the 724 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: US government. However, in h Congress passed the Prescription Drug 725 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: User Fee Acts or PADUFA. I knew you'd like that on, 726 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 1: making the pharmaceutical industry much less like a force or 727 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: a sphere of business to be overseeing and much more 728 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: like a client for whom the f d A was 729 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 1: performing a service. Anyone who's ever worked as a freelancer 730 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,840 Speaker 1: knows what you do to a client. You worked tirelessly 731 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: to make them happy so that they'll pay you. And yeah, 732 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: and critics of this situation, this post situations say that 733 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: now the f d A his is screwing up left 734 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 1: and right and their general their general just Their argument 735 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: is that the f d A should be considering the public, 736 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,760 Speaker 1: the u S public and the health of US public 737 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: as its primary clients, not the industries. And to be 738 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: completely clear, this enters the realm of the drug industry 739 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: and the f d A h there's more money involved there. 740 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: We also know that the f d A has been 741 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 1: pursuing special relationships with media outlets in there was an 742 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: article in Scientific American where an author named Charles C. 743 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: Pointed out that the f d A was doing this 744 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,800 Speaker 1: this move where they would offer to give some media 745 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 1: outlets early scoops on a story, with the condition being 746 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 1: that the f d A got to choose who these 747 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,280 Speaker 1: journalists talked to about it afterwards. So like if Matt 748 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: is doing a story for what news outlet? Do you work? Formatt? 749 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 1: Pr Okay, so p r I. Matt works for p 750 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: r I, and he goes to the f d A, 751 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: who will be played by L. We're done this role here, 752 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: I am and uh and uh they in NOL being 753 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: the FDA gives Matt being p r I the scoop 754 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,240 Speaker 1: and then Uh, Matt attempts to go to UH someone 755 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: who disagrees with the f d A and that could 756 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,839 Speaker 1: be either Paul or me, depending on how we want 757 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: to do the casting, and then fundamentally violates a legal precept. 758 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 1: P r I is huge trouble. Matt might get fired 759 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,239 Speaker 1: and p r I would get blacklisted from these other 760 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 1: reports until they became public knowledge. You guys, am having 761 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: a kind of a kaiser SoSE moment. Here f d A, 762 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: p r I three letters? Are they the same thing? ABC, NBC, 763 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,279 Speaker 1: H S W WHOA no one is safe? No one, 764 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: no one is safe? And wait all of our initials 765 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:05,840 Speaker 1: or three letters, But what about std W y t K. 766 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,840 Speaker 1: We're the loan outlier, the loan outlier. The names sounded unwieldy, 767 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: but finally, several years in, you know why we chose 768 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:20,160 Speaker 1: that approach. So additionally, you know, you can see reports 769 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: we're scientists during the Barack Obama presidential administration, we're begging 770 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 1: the government to prevent managers at the FDA and other 771 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:34,279 Speaker 1: industry insiders from forcing the spin data or suppress results. So, 772 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:39,399 Speaker 1: in conclusion, yes, there is a chance that you are 773 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 1: eating things that the rest of the world considers dangerous, unhealthy, 774 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 1: and possibly some extreme cases terrifying. Uh. It also seems that, 775 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,320 Speaker 1: whether you're ascribed to one particularly conspiracy or another, something 776 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 1: fishy seems to be happening at the f D A 777 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,440 Speaker 1: and more and more people are asking is the FDA 778 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: looking out for you or is it looking out for 779 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 1: an industry. Yeah, the cynics, i would say, probably myself included, 780 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: are really starting to view the FDA and a lot 781 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 1: of a lot of other regulatory groups and administrations within 782 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: the United States government as just a part of the 783 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,399 Speaker 1: game that you have to play if if you want 784 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,920 Speaker 1: to be a part of an industry, whether it's food 785 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: or drugs or arms, or you know what, whatever, name 786 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,359 Speaker 1: your industry and your regulatory body, they seem to be 787 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,440 Speaker 1: more of gatekeepers than anything else. Oh and then last thing, 788 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,560 Speaker 1: it's just just knowing that Europe, most of Europe, and 789 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,080 Speaker 1: a lot of other countries say no to most of 790 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 1: the things that we listed out today, It just it 791 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,719 Speaker 1: really does make you worry. Well, when I went to 792 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,160 Speaker 1: Europe for the first time, the thing that that surprised 793 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,479 Speaker 1: me was that they have breasts and they're advertising here. 794 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,240 Speaker 1: That's where we draw the line. But yoga, mat chemicals 795 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,760 Speaker 1: and our bread. Okay, buddy, that's a good point, it's true. 796 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,320 Speaker 1: But no nipples. No, no nipples are still a hard 797 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: no in the United States. Poor choice of words. So 798 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,760 Speaker 1: so we hope that you enjoyed this episode. We're only 799 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,439 Speaker 1: scratching the surface and pointing out the contrast between what 800 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,960 Speaker 1: one government considers fine and dandy and another government considers 801 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:30,320 Speaker 1: dangerous and troubling. However, this does not end our show. 802 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:37,440 Speaker 1: It's time for a very special corner. Okay, guys, you 803 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,719 Speaker 1: know how on shout out Corner we usually do a 804 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 1: couple of emails, right, Okay, Well, I found I found 805 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,080 Speaker 1: something that's a little different. I hope you like it. 806 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,359 Speaker 1: This is gonna be a surprise for all four of us, 807 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,479 Speaker 1: and I've been hiding it behind my back the entire time. 808 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 1: We've been recording. We got a package. Uh so this 809 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:05,279 Speaker 1: comes to us from Nathan Suh and you taped it 810 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 1: up really well. It's about the size of a CD 811 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,920 Speaker 1: container you want to describe compact disc container, but it is. 812 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,560 Speaker 1: It's got that packing tape all over it. I am 813 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,319 Speaker 1: seeing what appears to be a disc maybe or hold on, 814 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,760 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, do you think it's full of government secrets? 815 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's let's pull one of these out early. 816 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,359 Speaker 1: When I said there was a surprise, no, you would 817 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,000 Speaker 1: asked me if it was like a poisonous chemical additive. 818 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 1: I said, I don't know. What is it? Matter? Have 819 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,960 Speaker 1: passed this around? It is? It appears to be a disc. 820 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,560 Speaker 1: I think it is. I can't open it right now, 821 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 1: but it's titled Missouri Loves Company Presents Leck Concert Infernal EP. 822 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,240 Speaker 1: It appears to be some sort of heavy metal record, 823 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,360 Speaker 1: not the kinds of things that would poison your food, 824 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 1: but the the rock variety. Um, we've got a track list. 825 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,240 Speaker 1: That's the Concert Infernal l EP, Scandal in Wait, Misery 826 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:02,799 Speaker 1: Loves Company, Borderline Obsessives, Hounds, Shepherds, and may Day. Um, 827 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,600 Speaker 1: so we're gonna you know, I don't I don't know 828 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,759 Speaker 1: if I have a way to play this. We have 829 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,200 Speaker 1: three copies, though I'm streaming and vinyl only today these days, guys, 830 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,560 Speaker 1: I can listen to this in my car on the 831 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,040 Speaker 1: way home. And that's what we're gonna do. Alright. We we 832 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: we report back on the next episode. Yeah, absolutely, So 833 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,080 Speaker 1: this was a surprise out of the blue for us, 834 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 1: and we're going to check it out. I I think 835 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,160 Speaker 1: I also am going to listen to the cin a car. 836 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,480 Speaker 1: I need some good road music. I'm driving around doing 837 00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,319 Speaker 1: some completely non shady things after this, I want to 838 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,000 Speaker 1: play on my PS four right yeah, yeah, Oh, hey, 839 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,479 Speaker 1: we have a note you guys. Oh please, yes, read 840 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,160 Speaker 1: we're supposed to. I was hoping for a note, Nathan 841 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,279 Speaker 1: says Ben Matt Noel, Hey, guys, I just wanted to 842 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,880 Speaker 1: say that I'm a big fan of the show. It 843 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,600 Speaker 1: keeps my skeptic side nice and aware that things aren't 844 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,440 Speaker 1: always as they appear. I've sent a few of my 845 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,640 Speaker 1: band's EPs to say thanks. I know Noel as a musician, 846 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,880 Speaker 1: and Ben and Matt have some good taste, so I 847 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,680 Speaker 1: hope you dudes enjoy. By the way, I'm a musician too. 848 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:07,839 Speaker 1: I'm horrible taste. Yeah whatever right hunch today, Nathan says, 849 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,920 Speaker 1: it's just a little d I y c D. But 850 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,640 Speaker 1: it's the least I could do for the hours of 851 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,279 Speaker 1: free entertainment you guys have given me. We should have 852 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 1: an an LP done this year, so if you like 853 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,439 Speaker 1: the tunes, we can send that one. It's all done 854 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,680 Speaker 1: to keep up the good work and keep shining a 855 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,600 Speaker 1: light on this stuff they don't want you to know. Well, 856 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:23,880 Speaker 1: maybe we can. You know what we should do. We 857 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,479 Speaker 1: should rip one of these tracks and and play it out, 858 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: play play the episode out on one like a little 859 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,719 Speaker 1: sample of his music. What do you think. I think 860 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,200 Speaker 1: that's a fantastic idea. Thank you so much, Nathan s 861 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:43,200 Speaker 1: This concludes our but not our show. We will be 862 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,919 Speaker 1: back very soon with another episode of stuff they don't 863 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,799 Speaker 1: want you to know. 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We 882 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,640 Speaker 1: are conspiracy at how stuff works dot com and without 883 00:52:51,680 --> 00:53:22,359 Speaker 1: further ado, friends and neighbors, Missouri Loves Company down