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Speaker 1: All right, let's bring in my buddy John Middlecoff, former
Speaker 1: NFL scout his podcasts The Football One is three and out,
Speaker 1: and we're not ready to go every week quite yet.
Speaker 1: But when we start humming, get out of the way, folks,
Speaker 1: We're like a fullback from the sixties. We're just gonna
Speaker 1: run your ass over. Yeah. So I was reading a
Speaker 1: story today and I thought of you, and I know
Speaker 1: Steve Kyme really well. They got out and smoked a
Speaker 1: few cigars and had dinner with Steve kai In the
Speaker 1: former Arizona Cardinal GM who after you know, twenty five
Speaker 1: years working for Michael Bidwell, you know, he's he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to do it again. You know, he's like burnt
Speaker 1: out still and people only knew the stories that fans
Speaker 1: have no idea. But so I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians was commenting about Kyder Murray and he was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, he's still in the evaluation process, and I've
Speaker 1: always backed him because my takeaway is that Jesus in
Speaker 1: a division that had Pete Carroll, Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 1: he had Cliff Kingsbury and took him to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: It's like and mostly pretty mediocre, ol liones. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you guys, this is the best coaching division in
Speaker 1: football at the top of Pete and Shanny and McVeigh
Speaker 1: and Kyle got him in there. Kyler did. But I
Speaker 1: as I was reading that with Bruce Arians, he had
Speaker 1: real doubts on him. I mean real doubts that you know,
Speaker 1: he's more legs than pocket and he completed sixty seven
Speaker 1: percent of his throws and I can't find anybody anybody
Speaker 1: I ever asked about Kyler Murray in the league is
Speaker 1: like Noah out, and I'm like Jesus. He throws a
Speaker 1: beautiful ball. He's elusive as hell. He's a playmaker, he's accurate.
Speaker 1: People stuck with Justin fields to the last game against
Speaker 1: Green Bay. People have bailed on Kyler and he can
Speaker 1: freaking play the position. And I have this theory. So
Speaker 1: I have a therapist friend, a lady, and she has
Speaker 1: said there's there's a little bit. It's not an epidemic,
Speaker 1: but it is an issue with men who are gamers
Speaker 1: are bad for marriages. And this person has said she
Speaker 1: has seen it repeatedly. People think, you know, guys get
Speaker 1: into porn and it ruins a marriage. She's like, no
Speaker 1: gaming gamers. She said, it's it's addictive.
Speaker 3: Well, now it's communal because you can communicate with the
Speaker 3: people you're playing with.
Speaker 1: And you know, and I will be honest when I
Speaker 1: hear a guy's a gamer and he's older, you know,
Speaker 1: he's out of his teen years or he's passed like
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. You know, I tend to be like,
Speaker 1: it's time to grow up. Come on, and you know,
Speaker 1: most guys get married, have kids, even if they love
Speaker 1: that stuff, they get out of it, they move on,
Speaker 1: but a lot don't, and it's like an issue. Therapists
Speaker 1: are seeing this and they've been seeing it for years,
Speaker 1: like it's blowing up marriages, like guys that just can't stop.
Speaker 1: It's not like getting a book John and going reading
Speaker 1: it for thirty minutes or it's well, you know.
Speaker 3: You can play continuous for ten twelve hours, no problem.
Speaker 1: And so I think the stigma he's accurate. He's a playmaker.
Speaker 1: He got a poorly owned franchise to the playoffs and
Speaker 1: a tough division. I think the gaming thing is a
Speaker 1: huge stigma, and I think older gms look at it
Speaker 1: and think, Jesus, grow the fop Like this guy, you can't.
Speaker 1: This guy's addicted to gaming.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the gaming thing represents something that a
Speaker 3: lot of people had questioned marks how hard was he
Speaker 3: willing to work and how much did football mean to him?
Speaker 3: Because there were some question marks early on in his career.
Speaker 3: And the NFL is a lot like high school. There
Speaker 3: aren't that many people there and everyone knows everybody, and
Speaker 3: word travels fast because there is no disputing. Remember the
Speaker 3: last one of the last games of the season he
Speaker 3: played the Eagles. I mean he's single handed. He was
Speaker 3: running around kicking their ass. He is, yes, you know,
Speaker 3: Bryce Young also a small player, can't hold a candle.
Speaker 1: Talent wise to that, not a candle.
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones, same thing. I mean, this guy is a
Speaker 3: This guy's a legitimate top ten talent at the position
Speaker 3: in the NFL that some people would say it's a
Speaker 3: no go with his height, but he's kind of overcoming
Speaker 3: it moments. And like you said, he's had a really
Speaker 3: good year before quarterback.
Speaker 1: People says the best Texas high school for well player. Ever.
Speaker 1: He wins the Heisman, he gets Arizona the playoffs. The
Speaker 1: fans don't like him, the media doesn't like him. Execs
Speaker 1: don't like him. His owner doesn't like him. Like there's
Speaker 1: something I've never seen a player this talented. Nobody's saying
Speaker 1: be patient. People have bailed on him.
Speaker 3: I always support, I mean I might criticize, but support
Speaker 3: young guys Like I'm so much different of a human
Speaker 3: than I was five years ago, let alone at twenty
Speaker 3: two years old. So guys, not everyone is Peyton Manning
Speaker 3: and Tom Brady at twenty three years old, Like Kyler
Speaker 3: is much closer, especially to people at the other position,
Speaker 3: but at quarterback there's no margin. Frere and I would
Speaker 3: say this, I haven't played video games since college. But
Speaker 3: maybe he just needs a girlfriend. Maybe he just maybe
Speaker 3: he has one. But I'm with you. Other positions, though,
Speaker 3: I would imagine a lot of people, yeah, under thirty
Speaker 3: in pro sports are playing video games.
Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me.
Speaker 3: Is Mahomes spending much time on the video games during
Speaker 3: the season. Probably not, Josh Allen justin Herbert Jalen hurts.
Speaker 3: You know. That's then other thing. How much does this
Speaker 3: like to work? You know, even Jalen Right had a
Speaker 3: bump a year last year. No one ever questions his
Speaker 3: love of football and hard he's willing to work. Now.
Speaker 3: Is he gonna be good enough next couple of years.
Speaker 3: We'll find out, but no one. And I think that's
Speaker 3: the big question mark with Kyler. And you know these
Speaker 3: gms and personnel people that's like, I'm out, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: out because I can't risk it. I can't bet on
Speaker 3: you that you will figure it out before it's too late.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess my take on Kyler is he is
Speaker 1: the most talented quarterback in my life that has no
Speaker 1: support groupe. I've never said, I mean people have. I
Speaker 1: mean Jordan Love didn't play for three years, was terrible
Speaker 1: in September in his fourth year, and everybody was yelling
Speaker 1: give him time.
Speaker 3: The difference, though, is Jordan Love not a highly recruited guy.
Speaker 3: Goes to Utah State. I've been their beautiful place, but
Speaker 3: it's not the first choice for many quarterbacks, sits for
Speaker 3: three and a half years, right, A lot of guys
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes, he has to go to Texas Tech. Josh
Speaker 3: Allen Kung a scholarship offer. This guy didn't lose a
Speaker 3: freaking game in high school. Like you said, a five
Speaker 3: to nine player in the history of that state is
Speaker 3: widely considered the best player. Then goes to Texas A
Speaker 3: and M and at the time they were recruiting with
Speaker 3: Kevin someblon just like Alabama or Georgia. Doesn't work out there,
Speaker 3: goes immediately to Lincoln Riley, kicks everyone's ass, and then
Speaker 3: goes to Arizona, who just drafted a quarterback. They're like,
Speaker 3: get the hell out of here, we're going with this,
Speaker 3: and then three years in they gave him a max contract.
Speaker 3: It has a little NBA feel to it, and a
Speaker 3: lot of NBA guys never snipped their potential because they
Speaker 3: were given everything everything, and Arizona did. It never made
Speaker 3: sense to me to pay him without like, hey, Kyler,
Speaker 3: let's just see another year, and it backfired. I do
Speaker 3: think the guys like I know a lot of Philly
Speaker 3: guys that know Jonathan Gannon really well. They have a
Speaker 3: young staff. I think both of his coordinators are under
Speaker 3: thirty five. They do like him because they're coming in
Speaker 3: fresh and he's been good. So people change. But you
Speaker 3: have to spend so much time as a quarterback. The difference.
Speaker 3: You hear all these stories about these coaches working twenty hours,
Speaker 3: and it's true. Quarterbacks aren't far behind, you know, the
Speaker 3: wide receiver not even close, right, The dB doesn't have
Speaker 3: to spend that time the quarterback is working. They're hours
Speaker 3: the Saint Banker hours. You're not checking in the union
Speaker 3: nine to five here, I mean, these are long you're
Speaker 3: working for Steve Cohen on Wall Street up all night.
Speaker 3: These guys are up at five am and they're not
Speaker 3: going to bed, turning the you know the telegon. He
Speaker 3: doesn't have kids or anything yet. So yeah, this is
Speaker 3: a big year for him, but he's under contract. He
Speaker 3: got paid like he won Colin, he won financially, now
Speaker 3: proving whether he can hang. It's tough division. We know
Speaker 3: Seattle's gonna be tough. And the Niners and Rams, I mean,
Speaker 3: are those two twelve win teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it really jumps fast.
Speaker 3: I enjoy watching him like I don't want to watch
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones. Right, Derek doesn't do much for me anymore
Speaker 3: in New Orleans. Like, yes, boy, Kyler is an entertaining watch.
Speaker 1: Oh, no question? Yeah, the you know, you know, it's
Speaker 1: funny about I got into this conversation about quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: the last twelve years, only two quarterbacks have won Super
Speaker 1: Bowls stars Peyton, Brady Mahomes or guys who are talented
Speaker 1: but yet to be paid. Russell Wilson and Flacco were
Speaker 1: on the last year of their non their first year contract,
Speaker 1: and then the Wentz Nick Foles team where those guys
Speaker 1: weren't making any money. So essentially like that, that's it,
Speaker 1: you know, Tua Dak good quarterbacks, big money, no chance.
Speaker 1: And so I looked at all the teams. I came
Speaker 1: up with twelve quarterbacks who were either I considered like
Speaker 1: throw the ball, elite fashion, and it was Stafford and
Speaker 1: Mahomes and Allen. I put Aaron Rodgers on there. I
Speaker 1: put Lamar Jackson because I think he's elite, and Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: Those are the six, so they're in the Super Bowl bubble.
Speaker 1: And then there were six other guys who I consider
Speaker 1: really talented and inexpensive, all under twenty million dollars. A
Speaker 1: cap hit Herbert. I think it was Jalen Hurtz, Jordan love,
Speaker 1: brock Purty, I'm missing somebody else, but it was that group.
Speaker 3: Would you throw GoF in there?
Speaker 1: That's interesting? So Goff was the one quarterback on the
Speaker 1: one team I didn't. He is not great and he's
Speaker 1: too damn expensive. So over the last twelve years, there
Speaker 1: are no Jared Goffs. There are no aus B plus
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and with no history. I mean, Peyton Manning was
Speaker 1: older in Denver, but his brain was functioning. It's Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1: He could still play. There are no golf winners. And
Speaker 1: it was interesting because I came away and I said,
Speaker 1: I actually liked this bubble. It was you know, Ravens, Bengals,
Speaker 1: it was all the teams we like, you know Texans.
Speaker 1: I think we both agree, and Packers are young, but
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be shocked if they end up at a
Speaker 1: conference championship and Detroit was my takeaway. And I also
Speaker 1: love Dan Campbell's ability to build a culture. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you get him in a game with a
Speaker 1: Shanahan or Nany Reid if I feel so great about
Speaker 1: highly emotional Dan Campbell. So here's a franchise. I love
Speaker 1: a quarterback. I've been higher on Goff. You and I have,
Speaker 1: I think than almost anybody in the media. Love their roster.
Speaker 1: It's a younger version of the Niners, but there are
Speaker 1: no examples of Jared Goff winning a Super Bowl that
Speaker 1: kind of pay and quarterback. And you know, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: shock you if I said in five years they didn't
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, well, they're the Lions. But I do
Speaker 3: think they have a unique window because of the trade
Speaker 3: they met made with Stafford and how well they drafted
Speaker 3: their team roster wise, feels more like a Ravens, right.
Speaker 3: They always toe to toe with the Niners, and they
Speaker 3: didn't have to lose any of those guys to sign
Speaker 3: this contract. That's right now when the bill comes due
Speaker 3: and his number starts hitting whatever. On a yearly basis,
Speaker 3: twenty percent of the calf it's a little different, but
Speaker 3: right now, on a man demand basis, I would say
Speaker 3: they easily have a top five roster because the other
Speaker 3: thing they have. I was talking to our guy, Jeff Schwartz,
Speaker 3: who Oregon Duck. He's like, do you realize that Piney
Speaker 3: Sewell is like twenty three to twenty four years old?
Speaker 3: You know the players their young talent. That Jamier Gibbs,
Speaker 3: the wide receiver, meets running back like he's a Christian McCaffrey,
Speaker 3: Alvin Kamara, we saw Laporta. I'mon Saint Brown. They do
Speaker 3: have a question mark at defensive back. Yeah, if you
Speaker 3: have question marks at defensive back in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: it can be a problem. But they did add in
Speaker 3: the draft. They added Carlton Davis from Tampa Bay. So
Speaker 3: if they're just the other thing, Colin is a lot
Speaker 3: of times when you're a team that sucks and then
Speaker 3: a couple of years later has success, people steal your
Speaker 3: coaches for whatever reason. Ben Johnson doesn't want to be
Speaker 3: a head coach. I mean he's turning down Josh Harris
Speaker 3: as they're flying to see him. It's a unique situation
Speaker 3: with him. So yeah, Dan is not mister schematic right,
Speaker 3: he's not calling the place, but he didn't lose his
Speaker 3: start coordinator and now they're defense just personnel wise, like,
Speaker 3: I think they got a chance this year. They got
Speaker 3: a real chance because there's a ton of pressure in
Speaker 3: San Francisco. I have to see how this IU thing
Speaker 3: plays out. Jordan Loves got to do it for seventeen games, right,
Speaker 3: So you look around Philly, we still got question marks
Speaker 3: with Siriani. Now the roster is good, but I think
Speaker 3: the lot it's this year now. Over the course of
Speaker 3: the next three or four years, it gets more difficult
Speaker 3: if you're not the fourth best quarterback, if you're closer
Speaker 3: to eleven and you're making huge money. But I do
Speaker 3: think you've you've seen if you can protect the guy
Speaker 3: he's he's mentally tough. He's like a better version. He's
Speaker 3: a different type player, but a lot like Alex Smith,
Speaker 3: but I think better. Yeah, mentally tough, and that matters
Speaker 3: in these playoff games. Alex is just so physically limited.
Speaker 3: When Andy would get him to the playoffs, Jared has
Speaker 3: more physical cap He can't run like that. But he
Speaker 3: can throw and if you can protect him the NFC,
Speaker 3: I mean, they should have won that game, and like
Speaker 3: you said, it was a I thought it was pretty
Speaker 3: reckless by Dan Campbell with the kick of the field goals.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think this year they got a legit chance.
Speaker 3: If you tell me the Lions, is it inconceivable? They're
Speaker 3: the number one seed? Their division's hard, But I mean,
Speaker 3: why couldn't they win. I don't know if San Francisco
Speaker 3: is gonna win thirteen fourteen again, maybe they win eleven
Speaker 3: because them in the Rams both eleven. What if the
Speaker 3: Lions get to twelve or thirteen, have the one seed
Speaker 3: and then they get to everything's in a dome.
Speaker 1: I would argue the two best rosters in the NFL
Speaker 1: are San Francisco and Detroit. The best teams are almost
Speaker 1: all in the AFC. It's like when USC dominated the
Speaker 1: Pac twelve. The conference was just awful, but USC was
Speaker 1: the best program and basically they got every California recruit
Speaker 1: they wanted. I think the Niners. If I said this
Speaker 1: before last year, if you took the Niners and the
Speaker 1: Lions and just we're gonna make a Pro Bowl team
Speaker 1: out of these two teams it could compete with. I
Speaker 1: mean literally the offensive line Trent Williams one side, Pinasal
Speaker 1: the other. You literally, yeah, they would have hurt people.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's I had Tom Brady on this week.
Speaker 1: I saw that Tommy was good. He was good and and.
Speaker 3: He's really.
Speaker 1: I found people like Tom because everybody wants a piece
Speaker 1: of Tom, Like when you get to that big and
Speaker 1: and I know somebody that has that knows, uh, you
Speaker 1: know President Barack Obama, former president pretty well, and it's
Speaker 1: the same trait. They both have the same trait is
Speaker 1: that you know, everybody wants a picture, everybody wants to
Speaker 1: say hi, I remember this game.
Speaker 3: And is he the most famous NFL player ever? Pretty
Speaker 3: by a wide margin, you think at this point in time.
Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, Yeah. Tom is really very very
Speaker 1: normal and it's it's really interesting how efficient he is
Speaker 1: in social situations, Like he like he meets you, it's
Speaker 1: eye to eye. He responds, very cordial, very human, very personable,
Speaker 1: and then you know he he's Escordon didn't come with
Speaker 1: a big entourage, but it was really interesting to watch him.
Speaker 1: Tom is a highly functional, very normal, really incredibly thoughtful guy.
Speaker 1: And as I sat there for the interview. He has
Speaker 1: a personality trait that I've always admired in people. Anything
Speaker 1: you asked Tom about football anything, I was throwing these
Speaker 1: goofy theories I have. Oh, he's thought about it. And
Speaker 1: I've said this before in my life. One of the
Speaker 1: people a couple of the people that are involved with
Speaker 1: a volume and one of the reasons I was always
Speaker 1: impressed with people that I included in this company is
Speaker 1: when you ask somebody about, you know, media, and they
Speaker 1: have an answer. Because I'm obsessed by not just sports,
Speaker 1: but by the business of sports, and so I think
Speaker 1: about stuff all the time that I don't talk about,
Speaker 1: but I just think about it. And it was really
Speaker 1: impressive to me that Brady I'm throwing zany theory at him,
Speaker 1: and Tom's literally he's thought of everything. And I think
Speaker 1: he'll be a very good broadcaster like a player. I
Speaker 1: think he'll just get better and better and better and
Speaker 1: better because he's very hard on himself. Did you take
Speaker 1: anything away from the interview that was kind of my
Speaker 1: take that Tom's just literally thought of everything.
Speaker 3: Well, it's about one hundred and twenty degrees here, So
Speaker 3: I was in the pool a couple hours ago, and
Speaker 3: you have a lot of time in the pool. You're
Speaker 3: just kind of thinking. I was think about the most
Speaker 3: famous athletes. I would say the last twenty five years.
Speaker 3: You obviously Michael would probably be number one. Tiger be
Speaker 3: right up there. And I think both those even what
Speaker 3: Lebron is now, they do struggle when they're just in
Speaker 3: a situation like that to feel relatable. I mean, Michael
Speaker 3: never has Tiger's gotten a little better. I think with
Speaker 3: his child he can be a little calmer. Lebron is
Speaker 3: just in his own little world, just because that's the
Speaker 3: way it's been for twenty plus years. I would put
Speaker 3: Peyton in this category. Two. Both those two guys can
Speaker 3: be in a situation like that and you go have
Speaker 3: a beer with that guy. Yeah, and l and they are.
Speaker 3: You would never say that about Michael Jackson or Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker 3: Like the level of fame and Tom's higher than Peyton,
Speaker 3: But I is it crazy? And I've always said that
Speaker 3: Tom and Peyton were the Magic and Larry of my
Speaker 3: generation what they meant for the NFL. And Tom's just
Speaker 3: a very very unique person. If just to sit like that,
Speaker 3: I looked at some of the YouTube comments because I
Speaker 3: watched the interview on YouTube and everyone's like, how likable
Speaker 3: is this guy? And I think it gets back to
Speaker 3: the sport. How one he went to whatever the highest
Speaker 3: level of education is in America, he went to the
Speaker 3: equivalent in New England for twenty years with Bill.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, is it should any ls to be shocked
Speaker 3: that all those former Patriots when you hear them talk
Speaker 3: football can do it at a really high level, from
Speaker 3: Matt like to Edelman to even Gronk when he's not
Speaker 3: screwing around. I mean, yeah, they've just been inundated with this,
Speaker 3: but they were all held in the same level, and
Speaker 3: there's a there's a humility because you didn't have a choice,
Speaker 3: right and most of their teams were not super stacked.
Speaker 3: The teams that were didn't win the Super Bowl, like
Speaker 3: I mean, their core. Now, Julian Edelman was their best
Speaker 3: wide receiver. Like Julian Edelman. I love the guy, but
Speaker 3: he's never going to Canton or anything. And I just
Speaker 3: think Tom it gets back to his family, how he
Speaker 3: was grown up. This is what people are looking for. Obviously,
Speaker 3: his success, you're not looking for that when you draft
Speaker 3: a player, but his love of football, how good he
Speaker 3: is with other people, how much he cares. Like these
Speaker 3: traits that he displays and Peyton does this too, is
Speaker 3: like everything you look for when you draft a player.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's the highest level. He's like the mensa
Speaker 3: whatever it becomes. But I just find him very easy
Speaker 3: to listen to. And let's face it, most people that
Speaker 3: are like Michael Jordan is not like that, right because
Speaker 3: usually how could Tom relate to anybody? But he is
Speaker 3: able to do that. He transitioned to Tampa, It's like
Speaker 3: everyone loved him. It was like the practice squad guys
Speaker 3: like he's taking pictures with kid. The star players are like,
Speaker 3: He's the coolest guy we've ever been around. It's just
Speaker 3: a trait that not many people have. I think Mahomes
Speaker 3: clearly has that. They have that going in Kansas City
Speaker 3: right now, where everyone obviously some people make more money,
Speaker 3: some people have more fame. Travis Kelsey has it. I
Speaker 3: know he does. I mean the way that they view him,
Speaker 3: and it's just.
Speaker 1: Think about think about Mahomes's life. He's got a brother
Speaker 1: that makes the news, he's got a wife, he's got yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got young kids. He's the best football player on
Speaker 1: the planet. He's the face of a franchise, he's got
Speaker 1: thirty eight endorsements, and he is just in a good mood.
Speaker 1: I mean, you watch him on that Netflix thing. He
Speaker 1: is able to compartmentalize shit like I've never seen in
Speaker 1: my life. Some people, John, some people just have it.
Speaker 1: Mahomes has got wackiness and neediness and maintenance around him.
Speaker 1: None of it bothers him.
Speaker 3: You know. The other thing is, you know college football,
Speaker 3: once you get to like Ohio State this year over
Speaker 3: under in their regular season, how many tight games are
Speaker 3: gonna be in when you put it in, Probably two,
Speaker 3: like they're gonna be so much better, Or Georgia they
Speaker 3: might be in two or three big games in the NFL,
Speaker 3: And Thomas been saying this for twenty five years, and
Speaker 3: every player, does you better come correct every single week,
Speaker 3: like I don't get to just mail it in. Obviously
Speaker 3: with that franchise, how hard Bill was on everybody. But
Speaker 3: you will get beat by a four win team beats
Speaker 3: a couple of playoff teams. Right. So when Tom was
Speaker 3: talking about how serious he prepared, he never knew. He
Speaker 3: never take an opponent lightly, He never took a series
Speaker 3: off like you gotta be careful, and the preparation that
Speaker 3: you were ready for in the first quarter might not
Speaker 3: show till late in the game, and all of a
Speaker 3: sudden you're tied against a four win team, and it's
Speaker 3: it might be on Monday night football, it might be
Speaker 3: their super Bowl. And I think that's what the NFL
Speaker 3: has that the other sports don't like. I'm playing the
Speaker 3: Lakers in February, winna, lose, whatever. Who cares you know?
Speaker 3: In fairness that they got eighty two games? Or baseball?
Speaker 3: Every baseball game tonight, we're recording this on Thursday. Does
Speaker 3: any do any of them matter? Do any of them
Speaker 3: actually matter? Today's games? They just don't, But every Sunday
Speaker 3: it does because it could be the difference of winning
Speaker 3: your division not making a wild card. Is it getting
Speaker 3: fired keeping your job?
Speaker 1: Well, think about this, Think about the parody in the NFL.
Speaker 1: There's there's there's about ten awful teams in baseball, ten
Speaker 1: awful teams in the NBA. Take out New England. It's
Speaker 1: a bad football team, awful And I imagine the Giants
Speaker 1: are not going to be pretty bad. Carolina, I do
Speaker 1: think will be much improved. And their schedule, boy, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's got some potential wins. There. You got about
Speaker 1: two teams that I think feel kind of hopeless. I
Speaker 1: think the Raiders are talented. I just don't know rookie
Speaker 1: coach Gardner Minshew. So let's say three teams that it
Speaker 1: could be pretty scrappy. But I mean, if Minnesota is
Speaker 1: a fourth place team, I think they have one of
Speaker 1: the best young coaches, one of the best left tackles,
Speaker 1: the best wide receiver, a top back, a top tight end,
Speaker 1: edge rusher is better than you think. That's a fourth
Speaker 1: place team. A fourth fifth place team in baseball or
Speaker 1: the NBA, like Detroit is not even shit. They can't score.
Speaker 1: Nobody can shoot. They have no shooters.
Speaker 3: I think the thing people forget about Minnesota. They also
Speaker 3: they added an edge rusher. They also drafted one. Remember
Speaker 3: they had two first round picks, JJ and the kid
Speaker 3: from Alabama. So yeah, I just think anytime you've been
Speaker 3: around football your whole life, it's unlike any of these
Speaker 3: other sports, and to do it over a long period
Speaker 3: of time, you've just been humbled so many times. Even
Speaker 3: if you're Tom. I mean Tom's had some of the
Speaker 3: most historic losses in league history, right lost to the
Speaker 3: Giants twice. I mean those are that he had an
Speaker 3: undefeated team in the Super Bowl. So for all his
Speaker 3: twenty eight to three they did not lose a game,
Speaker 3: and a lot of those were not close. And then
Speaker 3: Eli got him again, and then the Eagles with Nick
Speaker 3: freaking fools beat him when he threw five hundred yards.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I just think he's a unique character in
Speaker 3: the communication, which clearly you know, resonates and comes through
Speaker 3: when he sits down with you. I just think it's cool.
Speaker 3: Obviously got a lot of money, but he's got a
Speaker 3: lot of money already. It's pretty cool that he wants
Speaker 3: to do this. I just think that we don't get
Speaker 3: very often, Like is Lebron ever calling a game on
Speaker 3: one of these networks one day? No chance, right, So
Speaker 3: it's just is Patrick Mahomes probably not, you know, So
Speaker 3: I think it's it's gonna be a very very cool
Speaker 3: experience and like everything, and it comes through when he's
Speaker 3: talking to you, he takes his shit very seriously because
Speaker 3: he takes on everything very seriously.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I was bouncing around. I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you a Niners question because you're so tied into
Speaker 1: them that you used to live there and did radio
Speaker 1: in the Bay Area. At you know, I was thinking
Speaker 1: about Brandon Ayuk and I like Brandon Ayuk a lot.
Speaker 1: I think. I think he's a top five six receiver
Speaker 1: talent in the league. But it's really interesting because I
Speaker 1: always say this a lot of what you make in life.
Speaker 1: You know, I I how valuable forget your talent and productivity,
Speaker 1: How valuable you are to a company. That's your leverage.
Speaker 1: You can be talented companies. I mean, you know, Joe
Speaker 1: Buck and Troigman are fantastic. You know in Fox at
Speaker 1: some point made a decision, and so talent alone is
Speaker 1: not getting you paid. It's your value. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of great tight ends who have never made great money.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of great running backs. Sae Kwon Barkley
Speaker 1: is a stud and you know there's not a huge
Speaker 1: market for that. But if I look at the Niners,
Speaker 1: here's my knock on Brandon Ayuk. The most important person
Speaker 1: with the Niners is the brain of Kyle Shanahan, then
Speaker 1: the of Christian McCaffrey, the pass rush of Bosa, I
Speaker 1: would say, the versatility of Debo, and then the protection
Speaker 1: of Trent Williams. I also think Kittle is a culture
Speaker 1: center his physical style of play. So I'm at like
Speaker 1: six people and they drafted two receivers I don't think
Speaker 1: and Purdy's not a big deep ball thrower, nor do
Speaker 1: really good teams allow a lot of deep balls when
Speaker 1: you play them.
Speaker 3: They're just not throwing go routes like most teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, How valuable is he?
Speaker 3: Well? I think it's they're in a tough spot. Let's
Speaker 3: use this example. Let's say you're Kyle Shanahan and someone
Speaker 3: wrote an article that at the volume John Middlecoff is
Speaker 3: making more money than Shannon Sharp, you might have a
Speaker 3: problem on your hands, right, Shannon might be on the
Speaker 3: horn with you and Logan Well, Trent Williams makes twenty
Speaker 3: million dollars a year. He is widely considered one of
Speaker 3: the most talented left tackles in the history of the sport,
Speaker 3: and he's dominating right now. Christian McCaffrey got a raise,
Speaker 3: but it was twenty million dollars. Fred Warner doesn't make
Speaker 3: anywhere close to twenty million dollars. Brandy ACK's a really
Speaker 3: good player, scheduled to make almost fifteen million dollars, but
Speaker 3: they're offering him twenty five, twenty six. He's like, no,
Speaker 3: I'm thirty one. Well you make thirty one in that
Speaker 3: locker room. What you're double the value of Fred Warner
Speaker 3: if you're Trent Williams, Like, we're all human beings, Like
Speaker 3: I understand the market. Ever, I played left tackle and
Speaker 3: this guy's making nine million dollars more than me. You
Speaker 3: just you got potential problems. I think it's a tough spot. Obviously,
Speaker 3: in a perfect world, I think what you would do now,
Speaker 3: with the emergence of Christian McCaffrey last year and a half,
Speaker 3: you would just get rid of debo. But deals have
Speaker 3: already in, contracts have already been signed, so you're kind
Speaker 3: of stuck right now. And his value on the open market,
Speaker 3: given that he's so Kyle Shanahan dependent, Brandon Aate's a
Speaker 3: really good player, He's a winning player. I would struggle
Speaker 3: given the way they play, given the way they're built.
Speaker 3: They also have some big picture question marks. We just
Speaker 3: saw Trevor Lawrence. He got two hundred million dollars guaranteed,
Speaker 3: has been objectively better. And I know Doug I talked
Speaker 3: to him at the combine. Doug Love Trevor so Doug
Speaker 3: was pushing that Kyle likes Purdy more than Doug likes
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence, and Doug likes Trevor Lawrence a lot. You know,
Speaker 3: he's Kyle's in love with Broug Purdy here, So that
Speaker 3: number is gonna be huge, Trent Williams is getting You're
Speaker 3: gonna have to figure out this left tackle thing. They
Speaker 3: do not come cheap, whether you trade for a guy,
Speaker 3: whether you mortgage a lot in the draft. I think
Speaker 3: they're just in a weird spot right now. They have
Speaker 3: a lot of really good players under contract making a
Speaker 3: lot of money, and then they got this situation. A
Speaker 3: couple of years ago. He was in the doghouse and
Speaker 3: he's proven he's a winning player. But the way they play,
Speaker 3: he's never catching ninety five balls get you never, Never,
Speaker 3: you get paid for production. There's a reason, guys, whether
Speaker 3: you're a winning player or losing player. You scored thirty
Speaker 3: points in the NBA, you're getting a max contract. Right
Speaker 3: Saint Brown is catching one hundred and twenty balls a year, Like,
Speaker 3: give me my eighty million dollars. It's part of the deal.
Speaker 3: So he catches seventy five Now he has a lot
Speaker 3: of yards and he's a really really good player. Is
Speaker 3: is he ever a top seven wide receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 3: So because they paid premiums for Williams best left tackle,
Speaker 3: Fred Warner, best linebacker, Kittle second or first tight end, McCaffrey,
Speaker 3: best running back, so it's like they are comfortable doing that, Deebo.
Speaker 3: They were in a tough spot. Yeah, I think they
Speaker 3: kind of got pushed against the wall. He had just
Speaker 3: carried them with Jimmy Garoppolo being terrible to the NFC chair.
Speaker 1: And I think I do think his versatility is unique.
Speaker 3: But then they six months later they got to trade
Speaker 3: for Christian McCaffrey. If they would have known McCaffrey was coming,
Speaker 3: they probably just would have unloaded him that offseason, but
Speaker 3: it hadn't happened yet. I don't know. I could see
Speaker 3: a scenario where they play this out, which they're not
Speaker 3: gonna want to do because the drama that comes with that.
Speaker 3: I could definitely see a trade. And I could definitely
Speaker 3: just see because sometimes a coach just get it done.
Speaker 3: Let's over quote unquote pay. But then you have to
Speaker 3: worry about the locker room dynamics. And I think the
Speaker 3: forty nine ers one thing they've really had and Kyle
Speaker 3: does a great job of this. He's been around his
Speaker 3: whole life with his dad, New England. Everyone's pretty tight.
Speaker 3: Everyone's rowing in the same way. They don't do a
Speaker 3: lot of bs, you know, and when it comes, it
Speaker 3: just doesn't they get rid of it fast. So I
Speaker 3: this is a weird spot because he's now vlogging his
Speaker 3: off season. You know, Kashi Andhan might be young, but
Speaker 3: he's an old soul. He's not really into all that
Speaker 3: crap and it's probably a headache to him right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. So I want you to
Speaker 1: pick a team that is considered a bad team. And
Speaker 1: you know I've done this every year. A couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, I beat on this drum, I swear for
Speaker 1: six months. The Minnesota Vikings. I'm like, this is a
Speaker 1: this is a ten eleven, twelve win team, and they
Speaker 1: were like they were undervalued.
Speaker 3: They were headed to the playoffs last year until Cousins
Speaker 3: ripped his achilles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I am. I think I'm in the minority here.
Speaker 1: I want you to think I'll go first of a
Speaker 1: team you thinks undervalued. I think it's Denver. So they
Speaker 1: drafted a edge rusher that is an area of need.
Speaker 1: If you go back to last year, the defense was
Speaker 1: the issue. They got the most you could get if
Speaker 1: you go really look at Russell Wilson's stats. Now, Russell
Speaker 1: doesn't see the field particularly well, but they've got a
Speaker 1: number one receiver in Courtland Sutton. The offensive line was
Speaker 1: rated seven. I like their backs capable at tight end again,
Speaker 1: a number one receiver. I think the old lines better
Speaker 1: than people think. One of the smartest play designers and
Speaker 1: callers in the sport. The Raiders are not going to
Speaker 1: be great. The Chargers will probably take a while to
Speaker 1: get where they want to get. They're not going to
Speaker 1: be terribly explosive vertically. The Chargers can beat teams, but
Speaker 1: they're a little bit like Kansas City last year. They're
Speaker 1: not blowing people out.
Speaker 3: He's going to try to play in twenty to seventeen
Speaker 3: type games.
Speaker 1: Oh, every week. They're going to be in games with
Speaker 1: Kansas City. Kansas City doesn't blow people out anymore, or
Speaker 1: she Rice is a bit of a mess. They have
Speaker 1: a rookie. Chargers won't blow people out. They could absolutely
Speaker 1: beat both of those team once. They could beat the
Speaker 1: Raiders twice. They're over unders five and a half, if
Speaker 1: the kid they drafted, if the edge rusher works. By
Speaker 1: the way, Mems last year became a really nice piece.
Speaker 1: That's why they moved off Jerry Judy. They went and
Speaker 1: got another receiver. I it's hard when I when you
Speaker 1: say smart coach, good offensive line, automatic wins in division.
Speaker 1: Bo Nicks had sixty one starts. If he's capable, if
Speaker 1: he's Russell Wilson capable, I think they're like an eight
Speaker 1: win team. I'm not saying playoffs, but five Jesus John
Speaker 1: five and twelve is Carolina. It's unwatchable. I don't think
Speaker 1: Denver's gonna be unwatchable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think bo Nicks. I remember watching him right
Speaker 3: after the draft. He kind of had some like Jimmy
Speaker 3: Garoppolo Derek Carr coming out of college, and when those
Speaker 3: guys were young, they would have been perfect for Sean
Speaker 3: Payton when he was transitioning away from Drew Brees. You know,
Speaker 3: this team win loss wise. They've been in the mix,
Speaker 3: but no one really took them that seriously. Seattle's offensive
Speaker 3: personnel is pretty awesome. I mean, Dk Metcalf's like Terrell Owens,
Speaker 3: Jackson Walker. They've improved the offensive line. Their defense for
Speaker 3: a team that's drafted defense that's traded for defense has
Speaker 3: been a kneemick these last two years, which is crazy
Speaker 3: because you remove the last like three year stretch. Pete
Speaker 3: Carroll's easily one of the best defensive minds over the
Speaker 3: last thirty plus years, right, but it it fell apart
Speaker 3: at the end. Gino Smith, I'm not the biggest believer,
Speaker 3: but he has not really been their issue of just
Speaker 3: being competed. It's their defense. They couldn't stop the soul. Well,
Speaker 3: they get the boy genius from Baltimore who easily had
Speaker 3: the best defense in the league last year. Listen, Stafford's
Speaker 3: already kind of bitching and moaning and I need a
Speaker 3: little more money. And Stafford was awesome last year, but
Speaker 3: that elbow goes. We've seen what happens. If he's on
Speaker 3: the shelf. It's one thing. If he misses one game,
Speaker 3: it's another thing. If he misses a month and a half.
Speaker 3: You know, he's the lynchpin of the whole operation. If
Speaker 3: if something were to have happened to Stafford, I could
Speaker 3: see Seattle being right there because you can already tell
Speaker 3: like are the rams, Like do you really want to
Speaker 3: double down on this. It was an awesome season. Can we
Speaker 3: just play out the contract? To me, Seattle is a
Speaker 3: quarterback away in the next couple of years. I'm sure
Speaker 3: Schneider is going to be all over him in the
Speaker 3: draft this year. I think that they are a very
Speaker 3: unique spot equipped in the future. If they could ever
Speaker 3: find just even get their Brock purty 'or just a
Speaker 3: guy that's really good, cheap contract, they would be a problem.
Speaker 3: Because what Mike McDaniel or Mike McDonald did these last
Speaker 3: two years, and specifically last year, I mean they Colin
Speaker 3: he embarrassed Kyle Shanahan. On Christmas night, I had a
Speaker 3: buddy on the Baltimore Ravens staff. They were all calling
Speaker 3: him boy genius around the room like he is a
Speaker 3: special defensive schematic guy, and he listened. We questioned that
Speaker 3: that side of the ball running a team, but he
Speaker 3: does inherit players everywhere on offense and we'll see. I mean,
Speaker 3: Ryan Grubb a lot of success coaching now going to
Speaker 3: the NFL is a little bit different. But what he
Speaker 3: just did in Washington, a lot of NFL people are watching.
Speaker 3: I'm not shocked to John, you know, and uh, they
Speaker 3: hired him to be the offensive coordinator. So they're a
Speaker 3: team I would say this year is going to be interesting,
Speaker 3: but they're they're a bo Knicks whoever their guy is
Speaker 3: over the next couple of years away from being like
Speaker 3: they could be a problem.
Speaker 1: All right, let's flip it. Let's find a team that
Speaker 1: we think is a bit overvalued. I want to pull
Speaker 1: back on Houston so badly, but Jesus, I just love
Speaker 1: everything they're doing, every move they make, every draft pick.
Speaker 3: I love what well run, and they got a good coach,
Speaker 3: and what their quarterback does is sustainable. He's a pocket quarterback.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think, I think about this. I
Speaker 1: really do wonder if Aaron Rodgers is upright. The Miami
Speaker 1: Dolphins concerned me. Basically, it's a It's a three headed team.
Speaker 1: It's Jalen Wan Tyreek Hill and Tua. Tua was healthy
Speaker 1: last year, one of the only healthy years of his life.
Speaker 1: The Jets, if Aaron's upright, are going to be much better.
Speaker 1: New England's bad. Those are two wins. Buffalo's Buffalo. Their
Speaker 1: schedule is not easy. The AFC. Here comes Burrow, Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson's coming back. Aaron Rodgers is coming back. Shit man,
Speaker 1: last year was the year the getting was good. If
Speaker 1: you're an AFC team like it was, it was everybody's
Speaker 1: banged up. Trevor Lawrence wasn't healthy, Anthony Richardson got hurt. CJ.
Speaker 1: Stroud's a baby, didn't a Dolphins have.
Speaker 3: Like a four game lead after Thanksgiving? I mean, how
Speaker 3: the hell did they blow that division?
Speaker 1: And I look at Miami and I'm like, I could
Speaker 1: see them just I could just see this thing with
Speaker 1: a little injury to too early, I could see it
Speaker 1: nose diving. I think Miami's the team that I think,
Speaker 1: to myself, God, last year was I mean, they're literally
Speaker 1: weather affected when they go north and later in this season,
Speaker 1: Miami's the team that everybody's high on. I could see
Speaker 1: it being a bit of a mess with yours.
Speaker 3: I don't take them seriously at all. I don't care
Speaker 3: what their record is in September. Go four and zero
Speaker 3: in September, seeing that then they've done that. The best
Speaker 3: teams in their conference all playing freezing cold weather, not
Speaker 3: like cold weather, frigid weather, so they have no shot.
Speaker 3: I think the coult Are team that I'm high on.
Speaker 3: Their coaches stud your guy Ballard has done a really
Speaker 3: good job. I think their roster's really good. They were
Speaker 3: a bad Gardner Minshew swing route from beating the Houston
Speaker 3: Texans and winning the division. Yeah, but their quarterback has played.
Speaker 3: He's much more physically gifted and much more talented. But
Speaker 3: a little Trey Lancy, he just hasn't played much football
Speaker 3: over several years now, So you're you're very dependent on
Speaker 3: this guy. It's like, well, if he's awesome, well yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I haven't really seen him on the field.
Speaker 3: And then last year it's one thing to get hit
Speaker 3: by Ray Lewis writer John Lynch in their prime and
Speaker 3: get a broken shoulder or whatever. He had some injuries
Speaker 3: where you're like, I didn't even think that hit was
Speaker 3: that violent. And the thing about football is some guys
Speaker 3: are just durable. They just this guy, this guy never
Speaker 3: missed a game and fifteen years. Yeah, yeah, look at
Speaker 3: Jerry Rice's career, sixteen for sixteen. So it just goes
Speaker 3: on forever. The occasional you break a leg or whatever,
Speaker 3: but like you start having concussions shoulder issues, that concerns me.
Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna pick them to make the playoffs, but
Speaker 3: I can't feel good. I mean, their quarterback has played
Speaker 3: a combined I don't know how many games he played
Speaker 3: last year, three or four, and then before coming out
Speaker 3: of college he had played thirteen career games. That's the
Speaker 3: thing with this class, right. Henks has been playing for
Speaker 3: six years. Bo Nick's sixty one career starts. Caleb Williams
Speaker 3: started every game after Oklahoma told Spencer Rattler to go,
Speaker 3: you know, to the pine. JJ McCarthy like, you've seen
Speaker 3: these guys be on the field for a long time.
Speaker 3: People get very like you with Kyler, Murray lazy, not
Speaker 3: into it, terrifies teams. Half the leaks is out. The
Speaker 3: injury stuff is tough because you're like, well, what if
Speaker 3: it's just a weird couple of years stretch and then
Speaker 3: he plays seven straight years, or what if it's just
Speaker 3: something that snowballs. You really don't know. You're just completely
Speaker 3: taking in an educated guess. Half the times the doctors
Speaker 3: tell you we can't draft this guy. This guy goes
Speaker 3: on Navin eight your career and the doctor tells you
Speaker 3: to draft this guy. He's got a degenerate knee. So
Speaker 3: it's just it's tough. But that is going to concern
Speaker 3: me picking them. But if I picked the Bengals. Isn't
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow's wrist injury that I don't know if you
Speaker 3: read about it, Yea, It's not like a broken leg
Speaker 3: or an ACL that's basically feels like one hundred percent recovery.
Speaker 3: It's a much smaller percentage. Not arthritis, but pain and
Speaker 3: just the throbbing as you're working back from it is unavoidable.
Speaker 3: He's a quarterback, so he kind of needs to use it.
Speaker 3: I love watching the guy play, and he's the only
Speaker 3: guy in the AFC that went toe to toe with
Speaker 3: Mahmes and took him down on the road. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: like that, that injury is has a little baseball feel
Speaker 3: to it, where you're like that picture was never the same, right.
Speaker 3: I hope that's not the case, but it's it's it's scary.
Speaker 1: All right. I gotta ask you a golf question, go
Speaker 1: lo Is John's podcast. John is first of all, not
Speaker 1: only a great golf analyst, a good golf better. But
Speaker 1: I'm a huge Rory McElroy fan and I was just
Speaker 1: I was really pulling for him. I think Bryson to
Speaker 1: Shamba has done a really good job to pivot and
Speaker 1: he's become incredibly likable, and especially when Rory peeled out
Speaker 1: and left early, I guarantee it. Deshambo heard that and
Speaker 1: decided I'm saying here for three hours signing every autograph.
Speaker 1: I just to Shambo's personality is Oh, Rory split and
Speaker 1: didn't dodge anybody. I'm beer all night. So these guys
Speaker 1: are all competitive, if they're all alphas, it's interesting. So
Speaker 1: in defense of Rory, golf is so strange. I think
Speaker 1: it's the USGA. They put a tournament right before a
Speaker 1: major and right after a major in the summer sun Like,
Speaker 1: It's just that's not like these guys. So he skips
Speaker 1: out on the Hartford, and I'm thinking to myself, you
Speaker 1: know after a major, the intensity in the summer of
Speaker 1: a major. These guys are worn out fans. I don't
Speaker 1: think understand Sometimes maybe they do a golf major in
Speaker 1: the summer. That shit, you're losing weight. I mean you are,
Speaker 1: it is, Oh it is You're losing eight pounds over
Speaker 1: the course of four days. It is a grind in
Speaker 1: that heat. So I kind of understood saying, guys, I
Speaker 1: need rest, But I also in a weird way, he
Speaker 1: is the face of the PGA. Better or worse now
Speaker 1: is kind of.
Speaker 3: Of all of golf. I would include Live. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's the most famous golfer right now that's not named
Speaker 3: Tiger or Phil.
Speaker 1: I didn't love him bailing without congratulations. The Hartford I get,
Speaker 1: missing the Hartford I get. I think that's some of
Speaker 1: the structural bizarreness of golf, and some of their schedule
Speaker 1: is weird. But in the golf community, how was that
Speaker 1: viewed him? Just basically I'm out of here peeling off well.
Speaker 3: I think the unique thing about golf is when the
Speaker 3: forty nine ers right guard blows it against Chris Jones
Speaker 3: and the Niners lose a Super Bowl, no one can
Speaker 3: relate to that. No one could block them, no one
Speaker 3: could play guard. You can make fun of Luke all
Speaker 3: you want, not playing defense, no one can do that.
Speaker 3: But anyone can go to Pinehurst for like four hundred
Speaker 3: dollars and play the golf course, and a lot of
Speaker 3: people have. They play golf and it's extremely hard, and
Speaker 3: that putt was really hard. He's not the first and
Speaker 3: he won't be the last to have an incredible moment
Speaker 3: of just the worst moment of his career. It's happening
Speaker 3: before happen again in that sport. Because of the pace
Speaker 3: of the sport, right, there's a lot of time between shots.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of build up to every shot, especially
Speaker 3: on Sunday. You become one reason Bryson d Chambeau has
Speaker 3: become very sympathetic. He lost his dad a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago and he talks about it a lot. A
Speaker 3: lot of people have lost their dad and it's just
Speaker 3: whether you think he's kind of weird quirky. It's a
Speaker 3: very relatable trait. The most relatable thing in golf is
Speaker 3: when you fuck up, have a bad moment, blow a tournament.
Speaker 3: Most people suck at golf. The average handycat's like eighteen.
Speaker 3: Everyone can relate to missing that putt because ninety nine
Speaker 3: percent of people miss it. When Phil Mickelson and I
Speaker 3: think in six at wingfoot pumped it out of bounds
Speaker 3: when he was gonna win, that was his best chance ever.
Speaker 3: He faced the music and he became a very sympathetic
Speaker 3: figure because it's a very relatable thing. Now everyone's like, well,
Speaker 3: we know what they're gonna ask him. Yeah, him saying
Speaker 3: this is awful, this sucks. I obviously wanted to make
Speaker 3: that putt maybe even cries. I actually think it would
Speaker 3: have drawn on even more people to him. I think
Speaker 3: he's a kind of polarizing guy because he went all
Speaker 3: in on Anti Live and now he's saying we should
Speaker 3: get together, which he's right, I mean, they need to
Speaker 3: get back. But I think a lot of people think
Speaker 3: he can be full of shit. And yeah, that was
Speaker 3: a moment I think would have really ingratiated himself with
Speaker 3: everybody because it's the most relatable thing ever. He missed
Speaker 3: a three foot downhill. Every human being does it seven
Speaker 3: times around, and Bryson has really embraced this. Bryson lost
Speaker 3: the PGA Championship by a shot, and war like, you know,
Speaker 3: stood up there, took the questions at the Masters, he
Speaker 3: was winning I think after two days, and then kind
Speaker 3: of fell apart at the weekend. Bryson's kind of really
Speaker 3: embraced this whole entertaining entertainer thing. You know what, you
Speaker 3: know what he does And I was thinking about this
Speaker 3: the other day. It's a very novel concept, he smiles.
Speaker 3: Think about the funnest player you could argue, beside Michael
Speaker 3: Jordan of my life, just most fun Steph. What does
Speaker 3: he do a lot smiles. Why did everyone like Brett
Speaker 3: Farr looked like he was having fun? You know, Tiger's unique.
Speaker 3: He could be an asshole and not talk to everybody.
Speaker 3: I mean, he was a rocket ship of dominance.
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan also was not terribly likable. It didn't matter.
Speaker 3: Those guys are all time outliers. Most homes might end
Speaker 3: up with like five super Bowls. Have a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: He's enjoyable. Bryson's just smiling a lot. We don't lose.
Speaker 3: He easily could have lost that, and I think Rory
Speaker 3: kind of if he could have that back, it would
Speaker 3: have been a real easy moment to just say what
Speaker 3: everyone has experience that plays the sport and it's watching
Speaker 3: missed the putt. It sucks. I'm devastated, you know, And
Speaker 3: I he avoided Greg Norman talked after ninety six, which
Speaker 3: was way worse. He had a six shot lead. Rory
Speaker 3: only had a lead of the back nine with like
Speaker 3: five holes to go, and Bryson was behind him, So
Speaker 3: it was really it wasn't like a true five holes
Speaker 3: to go because Bryson had the extra hole. But I thought,
Speaker 3: I think he'd like to have that one back. But
Speaker 3: it's also golf. Right in the NBA, the MAVs, they lost,
Speaker 3: it's win or loose. Rory did beat everybody else, and
Speaker 3: he has been really good these last couple of years.
Speaker 3: He's beating literally everybody else. But part of golf is
Speaker 3: like you gotta beat that one last guy or else.
Speaker 3: We all kind of go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, golf, golf. Golf kicks everybody's ass at one point,
Speaker 1: even Tiger. I mean, Tiger had the greatest run ever.
Speaker 1: It it will eventually, I mean you can barely operate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's you know, you know the funny part about Tiger.
Speaker 1: I remember this just as an aside. It's it's always
Speaker 1: laughed when Tiger was in his kind of that eight
Speaker 1: to ten year just it was different. I said this
Speaker 1: today on FS one. This happens infrequently, but occasionally you
Speaker 1: will see an athlete. Michael qualified it as this Lebron
Speaker 1: did in his prime that and Tiger didn't golf that.
Speaker 1: Even amongst all stars, John Jones UFC does this, even
Speaker 1: among the toughest guys in UFC, John is different. John
Speaker 1: is tougher than all of them that take the toughest
Speaker 1: guys and John Jones like literally just is faster and
Speaker 1: more violent. And I when Tiger was in his prime.
Speaker 1: One of the things I always because I love golf,
Speaker 1: I'll play it. I'm going on vacation, I'll play it
Speaker 1: three or four times. I love golf, but just just
Speaker 1: Northeast golfer, No northern California. But I hit enough shots
Speaker 1: that I'm proud of that it brings me back every time.
Speaker 3: Have a Vodkasoda out there, kick your feet up and.
Speaker 1: Oh more than one yeah, and you know how they'll
Speaker 1: do a slow mow of the golf swing and the
Speaker 1: analysts will break it down. Tiger was coming out of
Speaker 1: his shoes.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: If he wasn't named Tiger Woods, if he was Bob
Speaker 1: Woods and Tapeka, you'd be like, holy crap, this.
Speaker 3: Is a mess.
Speaker 1: He's over swinging. Tiger was the level of the torque
Speaker 1: in his swing. In his prime. He broke rules, but
Speaker 1: he was Tiger and it was like, okay, it was.
Speaker 1: It was different. And I always think about that when
Speaker 1: I think of greatness. Is I mean mahomes is doing
Speaker 1: behind the back stuff, left handed stuff, the stuff stuff
Speaker 1: took shots in his prime you would have been benched
Speaker 1: for ten years earlier.
Speaker 3: Well, part of golf too, is equipment. The equipment over
Speaker 3: the last I'd say twelve plus years has gotten so extreme.
Speaker 3: All these guys can hit it three hundred and forty yards.
Speaker 3: I mean Bryson's hit at three to eighty. Tiger was
Speaker 3: hitting it three hundred and thirty, three hundred and forty
Speaker 3: yards with clubs that had no business going over two
Speaker 3: hundred and ninety yards. So what he was able to
Speaker 3: do with his power, his velocity, and as he got
Speaker 3: a little older, that linebacker strength. It's like if you
Speaker 3: could play eighty two games ten straight years in the
Speaker 3: seventies when you were wearing those little shitty shoes and
Speaker 3: no tape on your ankle, like that is remarkable accomplishment.
Speaker 3: What Tiger did with his equipment, like what Bryson's doing
Speaker 3: with his equipment, is impressive, but he's specifically training for it.
Speaker 3: He specifically made these clubs like it is Taylor made
Speaker 3: to do that. That did not exist in nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: seven or two thousand, even up through Tiger's like prime
Speaker 3: probably four five six. Now, the reason Tiger at forty
Speaker 3: five could win the Masters in twenty nineteen is equipment.
Speaker 3: You know, if he had the old equipment, he wouldn't
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't been able to won at that age. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I think he he's a lot. You know,
Speaker 3: you hear these stories of Stevie Williams. I'll fall into
Speaker 3: it on YouTube on the algorithm and he'll be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we won the Arnold Palmer and Tiger had to hit
Speaker 3: a twenty five foot putt to make it. And after
Speaker 3: we got all the hooplau and he except at the trophy,
Speaker 3: he looked at me. He said, I'm so fucking pissed.
Speaker 3: I should have been three feet, not twenty feet. So
Speaker 3: we flew right back to Orlando. The next morning at
Speaker 3: seven am, he's practicing that shot for three hours in
Speaker 3: the dead of summer sweating. Is that you know that
Speaker 3: that drive that you hear to talk? No one has that?
Speaker 3: And I do actually think Bryson. If Bryson was a
Speaker 3: football player, he would have been the number one pick
Speaker 3: in the draft. This guy, him, Jack and Tiger are
Speaker 3: the only guys to win the US Amateur and multiple
Speaker 3: US Opens. Three guys, Jack Nicholas, Tiger was Bryson d Champeau.
Speaker 3: He also won the national championship in college. I mean,
Speaker 3: this guy's a blue Chipper in the sport of golf.
Speaker 3: It's different. He's quirky, but I think we talk about maturity.
Speaker 3: He's kind of just come into his own the YouTube
Speaker 3: stuff Live allows him to do that. He's having a blast.
Speaker 3: He's popular, but he's really good. I mean he's really good,
Speaker 3: and I feel like he's more likely to win five
Speaker 3: majors when his career is over than stick at the two.
Speaker 3: Like he ain't going away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's his world golf ranking right now?
Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't exist because he'll not live behind Scottie
Speaker 3: Scheffler and Rory Like he's there's no difference of those
Speaker 3: three guys.
Speaker 1: I don't get it.
Speaker 3: Well, the Olympics, he can't go to the Olympics because
Speaker 3: he doesn't get any points. It's like, what are we doing?
Speaker 1: I Gulfs of Barnyard musical? But God, Major, I love
Speaker 1: majors so much, John, I'm gonna be for I've never
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Speaker 1: This is the first. My bosses have been incredibly accommodating,
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