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Speaker 1: the Bonus with Doug Gottley.

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Speaker 2: What I was talking about it is Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 3: Welcome in. Do Do Do Do Do?

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Speaker 2: Kind of a different pod that we're having today. So

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Speaker 2: our guest is going to be Mark Shapiro. And Mark's

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Speaker 2: been a lot of things, been a friend, that a boss,

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Speaker 3: He's the guy who.

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Speaker 2: Like his his breakthrough moment was he was a producer

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Speaker 3: So the whole thing was fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Of the bosses I've worked for, I thought he was

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Speaker 2: Tony's unbelievable. Will Bond is the the the perfect co

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Speaker 3: He used to be second in charge to Ari Emmanuel, who.

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Speaker 2: It's different than I thought because my former boss, it's

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Speaker 2: run ESPN's programming at I think thirty two years old.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb

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Speaker 2: Okay, so Mark, let's let's start with UFC as a

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Speaker 4: Doug right, this was an ESPN plus play that they're

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Speaker 2: Give me, give me a sense, give me some when

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Speaker 2: you say the pirrating, okay, because I know what you're

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Speaker 4: just it just got to be too much because it's

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Speaker 2: We mentioned ESPN, right. The fear is if you leave,

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Speaker 4: Have the NBA. I mean, they have the stuff that matters.

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Speaker 2: Last thing, And I know you got to go, and

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Speaker 4: And I shouldn't say promoted, covering covering and promoting.

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Speaker 2: Look and covering it is promoting it, right, it really is.

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Speaker 2: It works together the rise of UFC right from when

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you this. When I was running program, I

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Speaker 5: Hundred plus fighters, right, you have seventy five different countries

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Speaker 4: And locally and built these stars, these stars that won

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Speaker 4: And I tell you he was the guy. He was

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Speaker 4: probably insensitive to what's going on, we need you to

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Speaker 4: stand down, so we didn't do that event. We waited

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Speaker 4: a month and then Bank Fight Island and they were

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Speaker 4: ready for it. Abu Dhabi, the Bubble Newsom was good

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Speaker 4: with it, Bob Iger was good with it, and we

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Speaker 4: moved on and that saved the day. To your point,

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Speaker 4: so many fans sampled it for the first time and

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Speaker 4: became full time fans.

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Speaker 3: Amazing.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, congrats on getting the deal done. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you all have to do another one and I really

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Speaker 2: really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 4: Great to see it. Congratulations on all your success.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb

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Speaker 1: Show weekday, he said three pm Eastern noon Pacific on

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app, and now.

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Speaker 2: Here's Dan Patrick talking about Scotty Scheffler.

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Speaker 7: I hate when somebody backs into a title, and Scotty

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Speaker 7: Scheffler did not back into a title. He went out,

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Speaker 7: grabbed it and won it, his fifth PGA Tour title

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Speaker 7: of the season and the first player to win five

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Speaker 7: straight times on the PGA Tour in consecutive years since

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Speaker 7: Tiger Woods back in six and seven. And I know

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Speaker 7: it sounds blasphemous to say, you know, put Scotti, Scheffler

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Speaker 7: and Tiger Woods in the same you know, conversation. I'm

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Speaker 7: not talking about the style, the presentation. I'm talking about

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Speaker 7: the end result. And that's where Scotty deserves to be

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Speaker 7: put in that category. Now, granted it's a smaller sample size,

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Speaker 7: but if you're looking at Tiger at his tiger Ish peak,

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Speaker 7: Scotty is, you know, at least close, he's at least

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Speaker 7: in the conversation with that. And once again, he's never

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Speaker 7: he still looks like Carl Spackler from Caddyshack whenever I

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Speaker 7: see him. You know, he's got the beard there and

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Speaker 7: it just looks like Bill Murray's character in caddy Shack.

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Speaker 7: But he did it in a methodical way once again,

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Speaker 7: and very impressive going into the Tour Championship.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's so awesome. And I do think there

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Speaker 2: is something too. I said, I was critical of his

475
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Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't bring me joy or life to win.

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Speaker 2: He's just not wired that way. But I do think

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Speaker 2: there is something. It's like that book, the subtle art

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Speaker 2: of not giving a fuck, right, is that when you've

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Speaker 2: released and he thought that this really really matters, you

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Speaker 2: can just go play and let your god given skill

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Speaker 2: take you home. But he is one unbelievably talented dude,

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Speaker 2: and his ability to put big win after big win

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Speaker 2: together is I mean, just he's the best golfer in

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Speaker 2: the world. I don't I don't think there's really an

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Speaker 2: argument there. Here's Colin Calhert talking about the Bengals.

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Speaker 8: You look at Cincinnati and you go, well, that we

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Speaker 8: really like Zach Taylor. I'm not sure. It's just too

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Speaker 8: lobsided an organization. It's Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase and everything else.

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Speaker 8: Their de facto general manager is ninety years old Mike Brown.

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Speaker 8: They have the smallest personnel department in the NFL. That's

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Speaker 8: why they don't take big risks like the Philadelphia Eagles,

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Speaker 8: who are constantly trying to get slightly better. They don't

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Speaker 8: do that.

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Speaker 4: They beat down their culture.

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Speaker 8: They beat down all their star players to squeeze every

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Speaker 8: last ounce out. And I hear this, cod we made

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Speaker 8: a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 6: Oh wake up.

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Speaker 8: When you're not paying your rookie quarterback the big money,

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Speaker 8: yet you don't have to be is buttoned up. Once

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Speaker 8: you paid Jalen Hurts or Ma Holmes or Josh Allen

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Speaker 8: or Matt Stafford, you've got to be more buttoned up.

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Speaker 6: It's all about the margins.

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Speaker 8: So, I mean, the first two drives of the game,

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Speaker 8: Washington had one hundred and sixty yards running. Cincinnati's defense

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Speaker 8: is atrocious. I think it's the worst in the league

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Speaker 8: without Trey Hendrickson, absolutely the Pitts, and yet they're beating

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Speaker 8: down Trey Hendrickson for every penny. He's easily their best

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Speaker 8: defensive player.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he is.

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Speaker 2: Their defense is bad last year, it's probably gonna be

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Speaker 2: bad this year. The organization is cheap, but they actually

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Speaker 2: are doing a really good job generally in the draft

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Speaker 2: and they try and keep their own So I mean, again,

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Speaker 2: like we can be critical of the Bengals, but they've

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Speaker 2: been pretty good. They did go to a Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, and they're trying to fix

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Speaker 2: their defense without arguably their best defensive player who wants

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Speaker 2: an absorbment contract that I don't think he'd get anywhere.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, look, the Eagles are great. They they're kind

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Speaker 2: of a machine. They're doing an awesome job and turns

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Speaker 2: out they got a quarterback who I don't think anybody

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Speaker 2: thinks is as talented as Joe Burrow, but they got

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Speaker 2: him at a lower number Joe Burrow. And they've been

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Speaker 2: able to really do well in drafting despite their success.

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Speaker 2: But it's not like the Bengals have been bad and

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Speaker 2: draft they're just their defenses. It sucks because they have

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Speaker 2: so much invested in the offense so much. But let's

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Speaker 2: just not fall in the trap of using the preseason

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Speaker 2: is telling you who teams are.

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Speaker 3: Big mistake.

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Speaker 2: Here's Brady Quinn talking about the Big pet Tens proposed

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Speaker 2: playoff expansion plan.

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Speaker 9: Would they say twenty eight teams in this one? Yeah,

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Speaker 9: come on, dude, if we're being real right now, let's

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Speaker 9: be real, let's talk about the teams that like legitimately

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Speaker 9: have a shot at winning a national championship. And mind you,

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Speaker 9: I'm not saying that this is the case in the

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Speaker 9: NFL too, But if we want to look at the

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Speaker 9: top eight ranked teams, maybe nine, that's all.

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Speaker 1: That's all my opinion.

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Speaker 9: If you're not Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia,

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Speaker 9: Notre Dame, Oregon, Alabama, LSU, I'm sorry I just I

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Speaker 9: don't see it. I don't see it. They might upset

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Speaker 9: Miami fans who are sitting right there at ten. It

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Speaker 9: might have set some Arizona State fans, Illinois, South Carolina, Michigan.

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Speaker 9: I'm sorry, I don't see it, Florida.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, bet don't see it.

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Speaker 9: Don't see a fore you this year, Like if you

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Speaker 9: could make a bet and you take any one of

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Speaker 9: those nine teams and hell, I'll even say probably stops

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Speaker 9: at seven.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's too many teams.

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Speaker 2: The ideal thing for me was has always been that,

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Speaker 2: however many conferences you want to include, you make automatic

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Speaker 2: bids for those cups so that the conference matters, conference matters. Now,

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Speaker 2: it's hard because it's not going to be an even schedule.

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Speaker 2: Some is gonna get left out, whatever. But there does

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Speaker 2: get to a point to where you're like talking about

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Speaker 2: too many, talk about too many. I think the reason

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Speaker 2: that that number those seems reasonable to most people is

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Speaker 2: you're like, well, really, it's just going to use the

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Speaker 2: bowl games and teams playing in high level games, which

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree with, but it's how many teams should

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Speaker 2: legitimately have a chance to compete for national title. And

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Speaker 2: I think you know last year was a per example.

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Speaker 2: You know there's like four or five really like you

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Speaker 2: know on a given year, this gonna.

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Speaker 3: Be four or five.

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Speaker 2: But if you figure the top three from the Big ten,

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Speaker 2: to top three from the SEC, the top one or

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Speaker 2: two from ACC and Big twelve. Right, so let's just

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Speaker 2: say right there, you're at nine. I think sixteen is

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Speaker 2: really the limit. It's a limit. That's what the Fox said.

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Speaker 4: What does the fuck say?

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Speaker 3: Let's find out who what's annoying? Jason Stewart.

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Speaker 1: And now it's your annoying.

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Speaker 6: Hey, this first one is it's gonna be teed up

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Speaker 6: for you. I saw you tweet about this. This is

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Speaker 6: very inside the industry when you're talking about TV appearances

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Speaker 6: and compensation. And Stephen A. Smith wants everyone to know

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Speaker 6: that he's the hardest working person in the business, and

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Speaker 6: he goes out of his way to do that. And

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Speaker 6: I guess he was on the Gilarinas podcast talking about

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Speaker 6: all of his TV hits with.

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Speaker 10: ESPN at the time. You signed for appearances. So I

587
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Speaker 10: was getting paid like one thousand dollars in appearance for

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Speaker 10: two hundred and twenty five appearances a year. And then

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Speaker 10: the boss who was at the time, Mark Shapiro, he

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Speaker 10: was the boss at ESPN at the time, and he

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Speaker 10: lost his damn mind because he got a bill for

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Speaker 10: five hundred and fifty thousand dollars and he said, this

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Speaker 10: is three hundred and twenty five thousand dollars more than

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Speaker 10: I signed this man for. That makes no sense.

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Speaker 3: How the hell did that happen?

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Speaker 10: And the producers were like, we love him, and he

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Speaker 10: never says no. So they had penciled me in for

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Speaker 10: two hundred and twenty five appearances, but I did five

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Speaker 10: hundred and fifty, and so when I did five and fifty,

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Speaker 10: he was like, when does this dude sleep. He saw

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Speaker 10: the numbers, he saw the way people gravitated towards me,

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Speaker 10: he saw me put me on NBA shoot Around is

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Speaker 10: what it was called the time instead of Countdown. And

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Speaker 10: when he put me on NBA shoot Around and stuff

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Speaker 10: like that, and the ratings took off and all of that,

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Speaker 10: he said, Yo, I'm gonna give this man his own show.

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Speaker 10: And that's how it happened.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there's a lot of truth to what he's saying,

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Speaker 2: because I was at ESPN at the same time and

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Speaker 2: we had Mark Shapiro on on today, and I know

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Speaker 2: that to I know, all of what he's saying is accurate.

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Speaker 2: The inaccuracy is the and again maybe he calculated it

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Speaker 2: in a different way, but that seems impossible because it

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Speaker 2: was one thousand dollars, right. That was their big thing

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Speaker 2: at the time was if we're going to pay you,

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Speaker 2: whenever we pay you, we get you for the day.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's two minutes or two hours, didn't matter, it's

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Speaker 2: the day. My I'll just inside the beltway, right. You

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Speaker 2: want to do numbers. My initial radio contract there was

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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty five thousand and two hundred radio appearances,

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Speaker 2: two hundred radio appearances, and I would only get a

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Speaker 2: thousand I got I think it was like eighteen fifty

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Speaker 2: for a college basketball game, which was super super low,

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Speaker 2: and I had I think I had eight. And then

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Speaker 2: I had two hundred radio appearances. And anytime I was

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Speaker 2: on television because I was a radio employee, if it

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Speaker 2: was the same day that I did radio, I got nothing.

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Speaker 2: If it was an additional day, I got one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: So the first year, the only way I could get

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Speaker 2: on TV, this is in two thousand and three, was

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Speaker 2: they would only let me do ESPN news at the

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Speaker 2: time on days I did radio. The second year I

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Speaker 2: was there, I started doing ESPN news hits well all

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Speaker 2: Stephen they spit did the same and it was one

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars a day. Whether they use you for one

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Speaker 2: ESPN it wasn't if you did, because they used to

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Speaker 2: have a bunch of different ESPN news shows. And the

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Speaker 2: last part to it is, and this is the part

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Speaker 2: that I know you're getting at Jay stew which you're

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Speaker 2: I'm getting into the details of it. You're talking about

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Speaker 2: Steven A. Braggan as if he's the hardest, he's the

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Speaker 2: James Brown, the hardest working man in show business. I

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Speaker 2: would only point out a couple of things. I do

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Speaker 2: think that he worked hard at that moment in time,

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Speaker 2: But there's a gigantic misconception about what is hard work. Sure,

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Speaker 2: getting up every day, making yourself available, never saying no.

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Speaker 2: I had the exact same philosophy. The issue becomes are

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Speaker 2: you prepared for that hit? And you do more than

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Speaker 2: And at that time I thought he did. At that

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Speaker 2: time because he was still writing, I thought he was

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Speaker 2: more connected with specific sources in the NBA, and he

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Speaker 2: was the first to give these kind of really hard,

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00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 2: hardcore opinions on the league, which had mostly been covered

654
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: by fluff. So I'm not sitting here saying diminishing, saying

655
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 2: he was lazy.

656
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 3: He wasn't.

657
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: But as steven A grew and he did all these things,

658
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: I don't think his work ethic grew I thought. I

659
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: think he he makes the he draws a parallel between

660
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: working hard and showing up when they tell you to

661
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: show up, and it's part of it, but not the

662
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: whole thing, but the bigger the other part too.

663
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Speaker 6: It go ahead most people with his ego, most people

664
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 6: in that position, think that just showing up is the work. Doug.

665
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 6: That's maybe my biggest complaint about talent in general, especially

666
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 6: former athletes. They think that showing up and talking is

667
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 6: their gift to the world. That is is the work.

668
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 6: And to me, that's like that's just being you is

669
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 6: the start of the work. But there is still a

670
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 6: bunch of grinding and homework that goes into those segments.

671
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 6: And that's my very issue with steven A constantly telling

672
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 6: us that he's doing all these things. He's just showing

673
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 6: up and talking. He's showing up and being steven A.

674
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 6: But more and more throughout the months and years, especially

675
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 6: during the election season, he had almost nothing of interest

676
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 6: to say other than just like shit talking and like

677
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 6: barely below surface level analysis. It was so blatant this

678
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 6: past season.

679
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: So blatant, so incredibly blatant. And that happens, that happens

680
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: with guys. I mean you've pointed out with Tony Romo.

681
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: Right when Tony Romo came in to calling games in

682
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: the NFL, he was unbelievable. He was so insightful because

683
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: he had just gotten out of the league. But now

684
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 2: that he's made it, signed the big contract, Tony Roman

685
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: likes to play golf and drink beers and doesn't do

686
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: the work as much, you know. I mean, that's the

687
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: thing about Bill Raftery that raff does love have a

688
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: good time, but Raft does the work. He shows up

689
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: a shoot around, it, takes notes, he calls coaches, he

690
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: goes to practices, he does all those things. And that's

691
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: where real real work ethic is.

692
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 6: Orlowski puts the work in ORSP. If you ever watched

693
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 6: Dan Rolsk or Lost could do any analyst work, you

694
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 6: know that a ton of hours went into that. I

695
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 6: respect that he's a guy that actually made the pros

696
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 6: and was a professional quarterback who puts him kind of

697
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 6: that same work mentality into his on air stuff. Almost

698
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 6: nobody does that on air.

699
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 3: No, no, the uh. I think a lot of guys do.

700
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 2: I think he's in a position to kind of show

701
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 2: it off because he has that daily show, But no question,

702
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: I think he does the work.

703
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: Now the other there is another side to it.

704
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,479
Speaker 2: You can do too much prep and try and get

705
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 2: I used to work with the play by play guy,

706
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: who's I think become very very good. But there's there's

707
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: the you got to editorialize, you gotta you gotta cut

708
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: some things right. You can't get every everything that's on

709
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: your board should not be said every game that you broadcast.

710
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: So there is a line to it. But the big

711
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: thing is Steven A like I work so hard, we

712
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 2: build him five hundred and fifty thousand dollars, he lost

713
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: his mind and gave him a show. By the way,

714
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 2: do you know there's only one guest host in the

715
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: history of that show.

716
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: It's called quite frankly, do you know that guest host.

717
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 6: Is I guess and it was you.

718
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: That's right, motherfuckers. And here's what happened.

719
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Speaker 1: Some dude named Doug.

720
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: Yes, I show up. This is a real thing. So

721
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 2: I show up Monday morning, New York City, nine am.

722
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 3: Production meeting.

723
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: Okay, so we have the We have the meeting and

724
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: they talk about the show and I think we had

725
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: that the first night. I think we had Pete Rose on.

726
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: I don't remember we had Pete Rose or we had

727
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: Sugar Ray Leonard live audience. So he gets done and

728
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: I asked for an office to go set my stuff

729
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 2: up in so I could, you know, write some of

730
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: the show. And they're like, what do you mean write

731
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: some of the show. Well, I I'm not at that

732
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: point in time my career. I wasn't great at reading teleprompter.

733
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: My only chance of reading teleprompter on a live open

734
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: is if I write it right. If I write it,

735
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: I can read it. And they're like, yeah, well steven

736
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: A doesn't do that, Like when does he? What does

737
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: he usually do? Like we don't know. He comes to

738
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: the meeting and then we don't see him until like an.

739
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 3: Hour before the show.

740
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Speaker 2: So I mean, yeah, I look, I get it.

741
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: We're all busy. We're all busy, but.

742
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: And you know, I had a TV show once upon

743
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: a time, I know it's a lot of fucking work,

744
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: a lot of work, but there's a there. You can

745
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 2: there's a difference, and he does have the master ability

746
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: to kind of bullshit and uh, what's it called filibuster?

747
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: But you can't bullshit bullshitters, and that the whole the

748
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: I'm the James Brown. I work so hard. That's why

749
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: they gave me a show. Yeah, okay, and I'm not

750
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Speaker 2: I I don't know. I'm not trying. I know it

751
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: sounds like I'm just killing him, an jealous whatever. He's

752
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: had an unbelievably successful career and he will continue to

753
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Speaker 2: do so. But like, stop it with the you work

754
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: hard and nobody else does. That's just that's more than

755
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: a little offensive.

756
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 6: Yes, has another talent, former NBA player or w NBA

757
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Speaker 6: player Monica McNutt.

758
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Speaker 3: I saw this.

759
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 6: She was on the set with Drewski. Now, Drew Ski

760
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 6: to me and this is another take. But is like

761
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 6: the Black THEO Vaughn. Like, Yeah, if you want a

762
00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 6: great barometer for how dumb this country is getting, yes,

763
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 6: you can look at THEO Vaughn's ascent to popularity. This

764
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 6: my country is more and more thirsty for simple humor.

765
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 6: The well hanging fruit. If you act uneducated and unsophisticated,

766
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 6: you have the uh, you have the most opportunity in

767
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 6: the history of the world to be successful because there's

768
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 6: some kind of like people gravitate to people that are uneducated,

769
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 6: like being educated was something that somebody tried to do

770
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 6: that was being an asshole.

771
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's it's really sophomore.

772
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: It's like I talked to this about my son, you know,

773
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 2: which is one of the things in kind of sports

774
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 2: culture sometimes but even little kids, you know, the teachers

775
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: pat and being a nerd, like hey, hey, but you

776
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: know all these guys that are buying NBA teams, NFL

777
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: teams that are running the world, they're nerds. Okay that

778
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 2: you may be taught at a young age that that's

779
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: not important, but it's.

780
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: Really really important, really really important. So yeah, I'm with you.

781
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 2: The idea that that dumb is cool is a very

782
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: sophomoric idea.

783
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 6: And so Drew Ski was on first take with Steven

784
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 6: A and then Monica McNutt tried to get him on

785
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 6: his jersey. He was wearing a number twenty jersey that

786
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 6: was silver and blue with sanders on the back.

787
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it was a fairly looked like Honolula blue,

788
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: which is.

789
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, yep, all right, so the jersey.

790
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 4: Let's get into it because obviously the ties to one

791
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 4: Chador Sanders, who balled out in.

792
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 3: His first.

793
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, that's hie. Come on, the tie is the

794
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 4: Sanders there with me, there with me. Well, let's get

795
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 4: into your door because appropriate that you're also a fan.

796
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 3: There, right.

797
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 6: I just like the fact that she went right by it.

798
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 6: If that was if she brought this up to have

799
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 6: like a tie in with Shaduur and she just misspoke.

800
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 6: That's one thing. Most most people have seen and reacting

801
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 6: to this think that she was just stupid and thought

802
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 6: that that Shaduur was number twenty who rolled who wore

803
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 6: Honolulu blue. There's I think the truth was somewhere in

804
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 6: the middle. I think she was trying to make some

805
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 6: kind of a Shadueur Sanders tie in to the guy,

806
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 6: yes Sanders, but but yeah, the annoying part I guess

807
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 6: here is that I would have loved for her to

808
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 6: eat it in the moment. Yeah, let's just not gloss

809
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 6: over it. It's like, oh, you know what, minds.

810
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: Well, this is this is a little bit do you

811
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: remember when Steven A was doing I don't know, his

812
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: Monday Night countdown or something, and they asked him about

813
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: the Chargers were playing the Chiefs, and he said.

814
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 6: Hunter Henry Derrek Johnson.

815
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he goes, oh, I'm Hunter Henry's gonna have a

816
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: big night. Like Hunter Henry was out for the year

817
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: with the torny acl and it was like week nine

818
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: of the season, and instead of just eating it the moment,

819
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: he was like, no, it's mistaken out.

820
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 3: You know.

821
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: Then he came back and he said somebody else's name

822
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 2: who wasn't really a big factor into how they played anyway.

823
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: And you know, the other thing he could have done

824
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: was like, hey, it's the Chargers. Nobody pays attention. I

825
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: don't care. I haven't watched I've never watched them play

826
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: because of the charge.

827
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 3: Could he made a joke about that.

828
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: But the idea that he wouldn't just own it is

829
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: the disappointing thing.

830
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 6: Right, Yes, one disappointing thing that you you constantly bring up.

831
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 6: And I'm starting to gravitate to your side on this one.

832
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 6: I'm not quite there yet, because I do think that

833
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 6: that people's opinions in the public square do matter. To

834
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 6: a certain extent, you don't think they matter and they

835
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 6: should be completely ignored. But this story kind of put

836
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 6: pushes me into your group. Lamar Jackson had the audacity

837
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 6: to quote tweet Charlie Kirk. For those that don't know

838
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk, he is the kind of the gen Z

839
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 6: Republican that goes on all the college campuses and tries

840
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 6: to talk liberals into being Republican. He's very conservative, and

841
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 6: I think he made the mistake of saying Jesus is

842
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 6: good on Twitter, and then Lamar Jackson had the audacity

843
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 6: to quote tweet that. And then this is where the

844
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 6: annoying part of the story comes in, Doug, this is

845
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 6: where you come in. The Daily Mail wrote this, Lamar

846
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 6: Jackson sparks a liberal meltdown on Twitter. The Mirror says

847
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 6: this headline Lamar Jackson slammed after reposting controversial right wing activist.

848
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 6: And then each story went on to list a bunch

849
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 6: of random people on Twitter reacting as as proof that

850
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 6: there was a liberal meltdown. So in this case, Doug,

851
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 6: I totally agree with you. The headline was misleading. I

852
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 6: have no idea why Lamar Jackson can't think Jesus is good.

853
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 6: I think the assumption was that Lamar Jackson's black, so

854
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 6: he can't be anything but a Democrat. So something's wrong here,

855
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 6: which is untrue. Anyone who saw the demographics from the

856
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 6: last election, especially with black men, it was off the

857
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 6: charts as far as a Republican nominee. But like, the

858
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 6: annoying part about this is that the Daily Mail and

859
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 6: the Mirror levitated the voices of random people on Twitter.

860
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: Well, it's actually the brilliance of the right which they

861
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: make anything like if the left had any fucking brains

862
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: at all, you can find people on the right that

863
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: melt down with all kinds of stuff which you would

864
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: feel to be normal as well, Right, I mean the

865
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: crazy part, it's like, that's the Sidney Sweeney thing. The

866
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: crazy thing about Sidney Sweeney is, in truth, the super

867
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: far right. They don't want to celebrate, you know, women

868
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 2: like Cidney Sweeney. A lot of it's about our boobs

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Speaker 2: and they you know, it's like that's not to sums

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Speaker 2: conservative Christian values. But you can cherry pick an idiot

871
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Speaker 2: here too on social media and make that out into

872
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: being the greater narrative, which I feel like is totally disingenuous.

873
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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson thing is totally disingenuous. Charlie Kirk is fucking obnoxious.

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Speaker 3: He's pretty bright.

875
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Speaker 2: I've seen I know how he does what he does.

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00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: He does kind of the gotcha, I'm smarter than you

877
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Speaker 2: sort of thing, and he you know, he goes to

878
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Speaker 2: college campuses and you know, he tries to expose the

879
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: liberal mentality where it just again, I think he's an asshole,

880
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: and I think he's the worst part of where we

881
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: are in politics. And then this is kind of the

882
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: worst embodiment of it, Daily Mail being super far right,

883
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 2: all the things. You know, I'm sure New York Posts

884
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: probably involved with it with it as well. And i'd

885
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: also say that for Lamar Jackson again, like you can

886
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 2: it's okay to agree with somebody talking about Jesus if

887
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 2: you believe in Jesus and not be aligned completely with

888
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 2: them politically, right, that that's also part of the deal.

889
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I hate the use four or five randoms

890
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Speaker 2: to make a point about an entire side of the politics.

891
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Speaker 2: I think it's bullshit. I think it's disingenuous, and I

892
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Speaker 2: think it's a terrible part of what we try to

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Speaker 2: call the media.

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Speaker 3: What's most annoying.

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Speaker 2: That's that's I think most annoying, to be honest with you,

896
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: just the the fact that the right is very smart

897
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: and they scour social media for any random or two.

898
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: It does not matter the political stance you take, You're

899
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: gonna find some negative on social media for it, and

900
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: then just tagging it and sticking it and saying this

901
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 2: is the liberal left and what they meet.

902
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Speaker 3: Like, No, that's not. But it's brilliant and diabolical and annoying.

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Speaker 1: That's why are we doing this? Because we can.

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Speaker 6: Oh Man, one of my favorite baseball players is back

905
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Speaker 6: in the news. Tommy Fam insided a bench as clearing

906
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Speaker 6: situation last night when he flipped his bat drawing a walk.

907
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Speaker 6: He said after the game that he flipped his bat

908
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 6: drawing a walk because the catcher was bitching at him

909
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Speaker 6: about something earlier in the game. Oh, I love that.

910
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Speaker 6: Tommy Fam is the coworker that you give a wide

911
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 6: berth to. I think everyone has been around this coworker.

912
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 6: He's got a short temper and Tommy Fam brags about

913
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Speaker 6: the fact that he does mma in the offseason for

914
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 6: these very reasons. Tommy Fam asked about the situation after

915
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Speaker 6: the game. I'll never start anything, but I'll be prepared

916
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Speaker 6: to finish it. There's a reason why, you know, I

917
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Speaker 6: do all kinds of fighting in the off season because

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Speaker 6: I'm prepared to fuck somebody up.

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Speaker 2: So you can take it as.

920
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Speaker 3: What it is.

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Speaker 6: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Tommy FAM's all the time. You know, I'm gonna fuck

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Speaker 2: somebody up, like you know, you know, I feel like

924
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Speaker 2: when I hear Tommy Fam talk about light talk like that?

925
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Speaker 2: Do you remember the movie stripes?

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Speaker 3: Relax, Francis, Relax? Why can't pay light fans? Sorry? Lighting

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Speaker 3: up Francis. Why do we play it for you? Because

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Speaker 3: we can. That's it for the end the Modus Podcast.

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Speaker 2: twelve to two Pacific, Fox Sports Trido.

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