1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm Angela Riah, your host today for today's Native Land Pod. 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: Solo pod. Tuesdays are my day to normally talk to 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: you all about everything that's on my heart and mind, 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: especially as it relates to politics and culture. I happen 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: to be in Nashville right now, where the National Bar 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: Association National Bar Association was so essential to helping me understand, 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: to see, to view powerful black lawyers who understood the 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: mandate from Charles Hamilton Houston to be a social engineer 11 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: and not a parasite on society. That I took a 12 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: little bit of a break from the National Bar. And 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: the reason I took a break from the National Bar 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: is because when I was working on Capitol Hill, we 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: had an organization called Impact. We bring an impact back, y'all, 16 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: we need to back. But Impacts had this incredible partnership 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: with the National Bar where we did forty end or 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: forty nation's best advocates celebrating young lawyers, trying to figure 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: out an on ramp for young black attorneys to be 20 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: connected to some of the greatest legal minds in the country, 21 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: black legal minds in the country, and we did that 22 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: for several years, and at some point that relationship between 23 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: Impacts in the National Bar kind of came to a 24 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: head and we were no longer a part of nation's 25 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: best advocates. The program, I'm proud to say, continues today. 26 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: But there was a little bit of a law, and 27 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: if I'm honest, the law was because at least my 28 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: feelings were hurt. I don't know about I'm not gonna 29 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: blame Joe Briggs or David John's or Kindred Davis Briggs 30 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: or some of my other colleagues with Impact, Nina Smith, 31 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: Sarah Missilides. But there was a break for me and 32 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: a departure, and I stopped being engaged, engaged as much 33 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: with the National Bar and instead said, you know, I'm 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: gonna go it alone and do the work that I 35 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: do with the Congressional Caucus and sit on the pack board, 36 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: and sit on the Institute board and engage in other ways. 37 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: And last year, for the one hundredth anniversary of the 38 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: National Bar, for the centennial, I decided it was time 39 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: to come home. And the reason why I felt like 40 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: it was time to come home is because when you 41 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: look around on every side, every place where our rights 42 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: are being challenged, the places where DEI is under attack, 43 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: where our textbooks, the books that our kids could check 44 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: out from the library are being banned. When we look 45 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: at the amount of police violence, those who never separated 46 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: themselves from vigilante, we can't even call it vigilante justice, 47 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: vigilante injustice. When you look at all of the racist 48 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: attacks that they are trying to codify in this country, 49 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: when you look at the makeup of the Congress, of 50 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: the House and the Senate, when you see the disparities 51 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: that exist in our pay when you see the ways 52 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: in which they've challenged whether or not black people deserve 53 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: to be in jobs based on DEI, even if if 54 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: you're not in a DEI job, When you see everything 55 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: that's happening across the board, there is no choice but 56 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: for us to lean into our gifts, lean into our talents, 57 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,839 Speaker 1: lean into what it means to build coalition. So I'm 58 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: saying this now as a lifetime member of the NAACP, 59 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: a lifetime member of National Action Network, a lifetime member 60 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: of the National Bar Association, a lifetime member of the 61 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: National Coalition of Negro Women. I always mess that up. 62 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Shavon, I love you, but here's my point. 63 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: I am. I wouldn't say I'm an organizational person, but 64 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: I would say that I understand when I'm called to serve. 65 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: I believe that God gives me a portion of a 66 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: vision to share with the people, to move our people, 67 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: to move the needle on our issues. But I also 68 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: believe that God empowers other people with parts of the vision. 69 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: I'm not support to see the full picture. God is 70 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: you got the blueprain right, But I do believe that 71 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: there comes a point in time where we're supposed to 72 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: come together. So sure, we can embody our individual power. 73 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: We can be influencers and culture creators and trendsetters and 74 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: all of that. But what happens when all of that power, 75 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: all of that leadership, all of those gifts come together. Well, 76 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: what happens is we can strike a mighty blow. Right, 77 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: We're better as a fist than we are with any 78 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: one of these fingers. We can strike a mighty blow 79 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: like this. We can't strike a mighty blow and we 80 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: don't come together. And the thing really isn't about us 81 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: all being on one track, us solving the problem in 82 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: one way. Really, what we're being called to do is 83 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: get to the end goal by whatever means, by any 84 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: means necessary, as the great profit Malcolm X once said. 85 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: And the reality of it is, we got to just 86 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: start walking. We might not see the full staircase, but 87 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: you got to take one step at a time. So 88 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: when I think about the fact that so often the 89 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: conversation that we have, especially the youngers among us, it's 90 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: the questioning of the relevance of the organization. But what 91 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: are you doing to make it relevant? What are you 92 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: doing to make that organization impactful? How have you contributed 93 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: to it being better? Right? How do you criticize something 94 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: for not being good when you haven't even poured in 95 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: your talents into the thing. And what are you actually doing? 96 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: Are you just standing on the sideline criticizing or are 97 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: you saying, I'm going to be a constructive critic and 98 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: work to build something different. I was just in a 99 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: session at the National Bar with the great Barbara Online, 100 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: who used to lead a lawyer's committee and has done 101 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: so much incredible voting rights work over the years. And 102 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: Barbara Onwine said something so good that I'll never forget. 103 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: She said that we have to be builders right now, 104 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: and before we build, there's an architectural design that is strategy. 105 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: So some of us are strategists, some of us are 106 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: builders and executors operations specialists. Some of us are the 107 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: coalition builders, the constructors of the partnerships. And what we 108 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: have to understand, like we understood from Gary Indiana in 109 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two for the National Black Political Convention, is 110 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: being united without having a unanimous position. Unity without unanimity, 111 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: it means we know that we are more powerful together 112 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: even if we don't agree on every single aspect of 113 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: this movement. That's really the point. So when we talk 114 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: about the strength of our institutions and our ability to 115 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: fight back right now, where is our project twenty twenty five? 116 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: Where is our Black Agenda? Where are all of these things? 117 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: What are you doing to create it? Or are you 118 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: going to keep asking the question wondering where it is? 119 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: Knowing the whole time that if the question came to you, 120 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: you probably have some obligation to pour into it. So 121 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: that's my thing thinking right now, it's now the one 122 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 1: hundred and first anniversary of the National Are one hundred 123 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: and one years of its existence, and there couldn't be 124 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: a more critical time for lawyers to come together. We 125 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: got voting rights fights, we got civil rights fights. We 126 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: have people questioning whether or not the Constitution should be 127 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: interpreted as it was intended, a strict constructionist like Clarence 128 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: Thomas saying I don't know if it means what it 129 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: says on paper. Right. We have all of that going on. 130 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: This is an absolute battle for black legal minds. We've 131 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: got to do this together. So, as I said in Nashville, 132 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: the National Urban League is going to start here tonight. 133 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: The National Bar Association has been going on for a 134 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: few days. I would ask you to lean into at 135 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,679 Speaker 1: least learning about these organizations, figuring out what role we play. 136 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: And here's why. Sometimes our criticism ends up creating the 137 00:07:54,280 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: thing that dismantles our organizations, that takes out some of 138 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: our strongest allies. What do I mean by that? And 139 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: I think we'll talk about this more on the show 140 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: we do tomorrow that will drop Thursday. But I'm thinking 141 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: about Congresswoman Nancy Mace, who took it upon herself to 142 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: introduce legislation to try to dismantle the Congressional Black Caucus. 143 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: Congressional Black Caucus was founded in nineteen seventy one, right 144 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: on the other side of a meeting with President Richard Nixon. 145 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: They developed a document of sixty one recommendations that they 146 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: believed almost demands that they believe would make life better 147 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: for Black Americans. This organization isn't just about coming together 148 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: and having lunch with people who look like you. It's 149 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: also an organization that has been the lifeline, the heartbeat 150 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: and the conscience of the Congress. This woman doesn't want 151 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: the Congressional Black Caucus to exist, because the Congress wants 152 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: to exist absent a conscience. And so when we talk 153 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: about doing the work of the oppressor, this is what 154 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: I mean. When I was the Congressional Black Caucus Executive Director, 155 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: I got emails on a weekly basis, sometimes daily, depending 156 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: on Maden as y'all work for challenging President Barack Obama 157 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: at the time. We didn't always agree, but we were 158 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: still striving to get to the same end goal. Those 159 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: emails would always question the relevance of the Caucus, whether 160 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: or not it should exist. So congratulations the seeds. You 161 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: so hoped to give Nancy Mace the courage that she 162 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: needs to come up with this bogus bill. Let us 163 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: stop doing the work of the oppressor for them when 164 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: something doesn't feel as relevant to us, Let's figure out 165 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: how to do the harder work of making it relevant 166 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: to what we need to what our demands are right now. 167 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: If you want something to be better, the solution isn't 168 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: always to destroy it. Sometimes it's just to strengthen it. 169 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes you got to put in another pillar, another like pole, 170 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: so that it's stronger than it was because you are there. 171 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: That is what this moment requires of us. We're not 172 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: in dismantling and destruction season, not of our organizations. We're 173 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: in a time where we can come back to the 174 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: altar to determine what is needed for us to be better. 175 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: And I'm thrilled today to have joining us two women 176 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: who are working to make things better. One of them 177 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: is my dear sister, who leads and is the National 178 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: Convener of the Black Women's Roundtable, also the President and 179 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: CEO of the National Coalition on Black Civic Participation, Melanie Campbell, 180 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: and then Avis Jonk DOCTA, Avis Jones, Deweaver who's the 181 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: principle of Neuvaux strategies. They're here to talk to us 182 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: about a really important survey on pay equity, economic life 183 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: and the DEI rollback. And what I think is so 184 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: important that we'll probably resonate with most of the people 185 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: in this audience is if you didn't even take this poll, 186 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: you know, some of these results speak through you and 187 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: for you. So with that, I want to bring them 188 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: to the stage so we can have a very very 189 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 1: important conversation about pay equity and the DEI ro back. Hello, 190 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: mal Hi you there we're missing? Oh there she is. Okay, 191 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: there she is. Hi, doctor A. 192 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: Great to see your boat. 193 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be with you all. Please forgive 194 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: me just so you know, I get a civil rights pass. 195 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: I was doing the work of the Lord with our 196 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: dear sister Tanya clay House, and I was like, well, 197 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: I guess I'm on the panel now. So I was 198 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: on the panel. 199 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: But be ever ready, be ever ready. 200 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: And here's the thing you all will also appreciate this. 201 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: The Queen Mother, Barbara Armwine was also on the panel, 202 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: and so I was like, just so y'all know in 203 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: this room Barbara Onwine speaks for me, So I'm not 204 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: gonna close out. I'm the leave so I can get 205 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: to this panel. Especially when Barbara Arnwine's eyes are closed, 206 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: she really speaks for me. Then you know she did it. 207 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: She did it, she was in the pocket. So yes, 208 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: I want to thank you all first of all for 209 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: doing this work at a time where I think black 210 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: women in particular are feeling gas lit like I know 211 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: I'm having this six and you're trying to make me 212 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: feel like I'm not worthy of the pay that I 213 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: that I know my counterparts are getting. I know that 214 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm worthy of this job that I just lost. Talk 215 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: about why it was so important from a mission standpoint 216 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: for you all to get this survey done. 217 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 2: Well. 218 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 3: First of all, it is so good to be in 219 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 3: community with you and of course our sister DODR and 220 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,359 Speaker 3: just listening. 221 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: To you in the just now, just listening to the conversation. 222 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 3: Uh, you're right on target. I'll say that if ever 223 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 3: there's a time for us to come together and bring 224 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 3: all that we have and like you say, we don't. 225 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 3: Unit does not mean uniform. It just never has, never 226 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 3: will and this and this pop shows that right. But 227 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 3: what is uh, you know, Andrew We've been doing this 228 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 3: poll for ten years. This year we partnered with the 229 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: Route to release it. Another sister running things over there 230 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 3: and very and very intentional, nothing against brothers at all, 231 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 3: but we also have a black woman poster this year. 232 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 3: We hadn't done it in since twenty twenty four because 233 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 3: last year everything was happening so fast. 234 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: It was just a crazy year, and we. 235 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: Just said, you know what, let's let the dust settle. 236 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 3: It's gonna where's this gonna end up? So this is 237 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 3: kind of like the dust settle moment to really say, Okay, 238 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 3: this is what's been happening in the last almost year 239 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 3: and a half now, and what. 240 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: A black woman telling us right. 241 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 3: In order for us to be able to develop strategy 242 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 3: and organize, we have to know what's really really happening, 243 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 3: and this pole really does that. And so I'm one 244 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 3: to be losing coalition building that we bring the expertise. 245 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 2: I am not a researcher. 246 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: I just played for. 247 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: It and I am talking, talking, talking, but I can't. 248 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: Walk and walk and walking like doctor Avis Jones Weaver, 249 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 3: who has been with us on this pole from the 250 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 3: very beginning when we first started it actually more than 251 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 3: ten years ago. 252 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 2: But this is our tenth one and this is just 253 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: a piece age. Well, girl, we got more to come that. 254 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 3: Really lays out components of it that we'll have a 255 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 3: political want to talk to you offline about it before 256 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: we bring it out because it's going to tell some 257 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 3: stories that need to be told. So if you don't mind, 258 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: I want to just turn it over and when you're 259 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 3: ready to just talk. But that's the why, right, And 260 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 3: it helps us strategize and organized around what black women 261 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 3: telling us, not what we sit up in our offices 262 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 3: and think, but really and having And what's different about 263 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 3: this pole besides being all women black women, is it 264 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 3: also goes much deeper than we have in the past. 265 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 3: And even layers are not just generational layers, but ideology layers, 266 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: breaking it down by not just being black, but being 267 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 3: Caribbean coming all the eighties, so that we are breaking 268 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 3: it down in the layers that we have not in 269 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 3: the past, and much more are robust questions that will 270 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 3: hopefully help us in that strategy that you're talking about. 271 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: Well, and I'm glad you said that. First thing I 272 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: want to do, doctor Avis, before I come to you 273 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: is mail. You said that you believe in coalition, and 274 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: I really it's important to me. Every chance I get that, 275 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: I give you your flowers just so y'all know. If 276 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: you in the comments say that Mail needs to go 277 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: on vacation, we raise a little bit of money so 278 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: Mail could go on. Okay, I just want to know 279 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: what the dates are before we get off the show. 280 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: But the reason for this. 281 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: Twenty second of August. 282 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,479 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm excited, but I want you all to understand 283 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: why I'm saying that this point. Don't tell nobody, you 284 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: just tell everybody. But this call to me is it 285 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: is an embodiment of some of the sacrifices Mail that 286 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen you endure over the years. Right, 287 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: Black women work twice as hard and sometimes don't get 288 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: any recognition, So I want to name that. I think 289 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: the other thing that I that I really think is 290 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: important is I know you do the work that the 291 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: men do, maybe five times as much as the men do, 292 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: and probably get paid five times less than the men do. 293 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: So I want to name that. And then I think 294 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: the other part is on the positive side, when you 295 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: talk about coalition building, you are someone who I have 296 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: modeled coalition building after because I know it's possible because 297 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: I watch you do it so much. So I just 298 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: want to say thank you. Your team is in the 299 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: comments talk about she going that is so funny, but 300 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: I just like she is going. We know she just 301 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: told us, she told the whole world. But I just 302 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: want to say that Mail one thank you, but two, 303 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: this is also a demand to your colleagues, to the 304 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: people who are contributors and donors, to pay mail her value, 305 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: to ensure that you are raising her Like we cannot 306 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: do this work. We don't get paid what we ought 307 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: to be paid if you don't do this work. And 308 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: we saw that from what Reverend Jackson did that work 309 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: over the years. We know that, so I just want 310 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: to make sure we that we were clear about that. 311 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: And now that I'm with my demands, doctor, as you 312 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: have the floor, I'm bad to do a little bit. 313 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: Thank you. 314 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 3: Thank you for love and like we said, I can 315 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 3: follow too, but thank you for what you do. 316 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna be a boss to you just about 317 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: this vacation, but that's it. After that you're back in charge. 318 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 4: And I do say ditto to each and everything that 319 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 4: Angel just said. Okay, absolutely, and I think her staff 320 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 4: will lock the doors so she don't come in. 321 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: It's good, cannot work. 322 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 4: Good good that you deserve it. That sat in terms 323 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 4: of this poll, you know what was really powerful to me? 324 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 4: As you mentioned, Angela, I think all of your viewers 325 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 4: and listeners will resonate with this. We've all felt this 326 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 4: to our bone. Specifically, we looked at this issue of 327 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 4: pay equity and beyond how are they doing in this economy. So, 328 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 4: just briefly, in terms of the issue of pay equity, 329 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 4: almost ninety percent eighty eight percent of the people that 330 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 4: we've polled, and by the way, it was a national 331 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 4: survey of black women across the dimensions in terms of 332 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 4: different generations, one thousand women in the poll, so this 333 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 4: is a statistically significant poll. And we found that eighty 334 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 4: eight percent of the Black women that answered the poll 335 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 4: were concerned about being paid less than their co workers. 336 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 4: And not only were they concerned, I have to say 337 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 4: that nearly half of them actually reported that they have 338 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 4: been paid less than their co workers. Interestingly, women who 339 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 4: were college educated were actually more likely to say that 340 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 4: they were paid less than their coworkers than non college 341 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 4: education black women and women that are a little bit younger, 342 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,239 Speaker 4: like millennials. Specifically, that generation was the most likely to 343 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 4: say that they were paid less than their coworkers. 344 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: So this is a very. 345 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 4: Relevant issue to millions of black women out there. You know, 346 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 4: as the song used to say, when we be paid 347 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 4: for the work that we've done, we have still yet 348 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 4: to be paid equitably for the work that we've done. 349 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 4: We also looked at this at how they've been impacted 350 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 4: by some of these recent dynamics in regard to things 351 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 4: like the destruction largely of DEI in the workplace, and 352 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 4: once again, black women have really been slammed by that. Specifically, 353 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 4: forty three percent of the women that we survey said 354 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 4: that they were impacted by DEI rollbacks, and once again, 355 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 4: college educated black women were the most likely to be impacted. 356 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 4: They were also the most likely to say that they 357 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 4: in fact were not only reported more personal paid discrimination, 358 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 4: but they are also had more exposure to those DEI 359 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 4: cuts and it hit them in a number of ways, 360 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 4: everything from having to make hard decisions when they go 361 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 4: to the grocery store, either paying for less quality food 362 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 4: or spending less on food. I was really shocked by 363 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 4: the fact that one in four even said that they 364 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 4: skipped meals or ate less so that other people in 365 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 4: their family could eat. They were really having a hard 366 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 4: time making ends meet with things like the basics, utilities, gas, 367 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 4: paying for rent. So in all of those different ways 368 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 4: and more honestly, black women are feeling it when it 369 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 4: comes to this issue not only a pay equity, but 370 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 4: the issue of affordability written large in this economy and 371 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 4: specifically as a result of some of the policy decisions 372 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 4: that this administration is made. 373 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: And I think that's just it, Like we are getting 374 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: hit on every side. We know that we know where 375 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: we stand generally, but normally the polls don't come to us. 376 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 3: Uh. 377 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 1: This is the exception, right, this is the time where 378 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: you're like, no, you're gonna be heard and there's going 379 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: to be data attached to what's going on. Given where 380 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: we are, and trying not to lose hope, try to 381 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: stay hopeful, keep people engaged in the fight. What do 382 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: you think are the next steps? What do we do 383 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: to turn the tight on this? We got the facts, 384 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: now what do we do to change it. 385 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 3: One of the things I want to also point out 386 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 3: in the poll is that with all the things. 387 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: Coming after at us. 388 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 3: Black women are still hopeful black women are still I said, 389 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 3: uh that my life is still good, right, and younger 390 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 3: women feel that way more than older women, which is 391 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 3: usually kind of someone's the opposite. So I think that part, 392 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 3: I think, give you the data that says we're still 393 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 3: hopeful and you're not gonna that I would saying, no, devil, 394 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,719 Speaker 3: still your joy, We're still joyful. 395 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: We're still going to. 396 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 3: Uh to enjoy our lives as we continue to fight 397 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 3: this our slot that we're up against. So I think 398 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 3: being able to be very very clear one of the 399 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 3: uh things that we did and released in in this 400 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 3: this portion of the release is really the things that 401 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 3: black men are concerned about. So we try to develop 402 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 3: an agenda what other concerns, right, and so being able 403 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 3: to see that for black women and it ties right 404 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 3: to what's happening uh this this time. 405 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 2: Uh two years ago, it was cost of living. 406 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 3: Now it's uh the uh cuts in medicare right uh 407 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 3: and concerned about social security. Uh, it's uh voting rights, which. 408 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: We know it's tied to what we've seen happen. 409 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 3: Uh. 410 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: We know it's issues around racism. 411 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 3: And discrimination, healthcare costs. So when it comes to being 412 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 3: able to say, well, what do we do. 413 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: We got this election in front of us, but we 414 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: also have to develop the long term. 415 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 3: Build or rebuild, if you will, because what we learned 416 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 3: and what we've been learning and all things all of 417 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 3: us have been working in so many ways around of 418 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 3: the resistance. 419 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 2: Is being able to be clear. We have to we learned. 420 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: We're learning that. 421 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 3: What was there as fraud, as the quote unquote democracy 422 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 3: was our freedoms and opportunities can just be thrown away 423 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 3: with a stroke of a pen. 424 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 2: That doesn't happen to do a law, or be even 425 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 2: legal to happen. 426 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 3: But yet we are seeing black women losing our jobs 427 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 3: from a public sector, and we know the public sectors 428 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 3: the ways that many of us became in our in 429 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 3: our families, made it out of poverty, if you will, 430 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 3: into middle class. So those are the things that we 431 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 3: want to do right now, and that is to develop 432 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 3: the kind of messages, make sure folks know about it, 433 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 3: and be able to make sure that the people who 434 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 3: we elect up and down the ballot, because now we know, 435 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 3: people are learning how important state races are, how important 436 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 3: state legislatures are, where we don't vote in those numbers 437 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 3: like we should, like we do a presidential election that 438 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 3: these people took what the Supreme Court did and said, well, 439 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 3: we're just gonna go ahead and just do all this 440 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,479 Speaker 3: done and just take black political power at will. Now, 441 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 3: we fought back, and so we know that all roads 442 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 3: lead to the South. And the things we've been doing 443 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 3: together with Black Votes of Matter and LDF and one 444 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 3: hundred and sixty organizations that became part of that Home movement, 445 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 3: we know we have work that we have to do. 446 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 3: So from an organizer perspective and from a pushing to 447 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 3: leverage that vote in this election, it's going to be critical. 448 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 3: And if people want to know what's gonna we're gonna 449 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 3: do about their rights and their freedoms, don't tell everybody democracy, right. 450 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 2: I see that y'all don't really care about it. 451 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 3: The law is not for you, white man, it's just 452 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 3: for everybody else. And when it doesn't work for me, 453 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 3: I would I would dismiss it. And that's historic in 454 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 3: this country quite frankly. Right. 455 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 2: So we got a lot, we got it. 456 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 3: It's a it's a long distance race, too, right, and 457 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 3: gives us an opportunity because I think where the hope 458 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 3: comes from, there's still opportunity for us to win this battle. 459 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: There are people now and doctor Avis that you know 460 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: who work in corporate America. Uh some of them again 461 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: got that good government job and they were impacted by 462 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: these rollbacks too. They don't see themselves as organizers or 463 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: you know, maybe they're not even organizational people. I don't 464 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: consider myself an organizational person, but I was like, I 465 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: tell you what, I'm pay these dues and get involved. 466 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: And I wonder what directive we would give them in 467 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: this moment, like everybody has a part to play. And 468 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: even if you're like, I don't even know where to 469 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: get in, where I fit in? Do I fit in? 470 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: Because this has never been my lot? But I know 471 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: that if I don't move for myself, I certainly can't 472 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: move the needle for other people in our community. Are 473 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: what are the things that you could tell them, like 474 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: the basic abcs for what's the first that they can 475 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: take to pivot because they're going to need to and 476 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: get involved. What do you say to them? 477 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I definitely think they have been impacted. And 478 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 4: up and down the spectrum, as you've mentioned, people have 479 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 4: been doged, people have had their whole divisions, you know, 480 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,239 Speaker 4: completely eliminated. People who had that good corporate job are 481 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 4: finding themselves being targeted and released. I mean we're seeing 482 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 4: it on a broad scale right now by celebrities on ESPN, 483 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 4: for example, but it happens with everyday people as well. 484 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,479 Speaker 4: And so I think what we really can learn from 485 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 4: this moment is a couple of things we are saying 486 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 4: large that a lot of black women are saying that, hey, 487 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 4: I still have skills, I still have abilities. I want 488 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 4: to see how I can open up a business and 489 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 4: monetize the Beyond that, I think that the community itself 490 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 4: is understanding the the importance of supporting one another, supporting 491 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 4: one another in business, supporting one another in terms of 492 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 4: our educational institute, supporting one another in terms of our 493 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 4: legacy organizations. Because the reality is that as these different 494 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 4: cuts have been taking place all across our economic spectrum, 495 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 4: so too has largely as a result of the focus 496 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 4: on DEI and the ability of corporations oftentimes to either 497 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 4: use as an excuse to do what they've always wanted 498 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 4: to do, which was pulled back on it, or be 499 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 4: intimidated and wanted to bend the need to this administration. 500 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 4: That has led to a number of trickle down effects 501 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 4: that have harmed the bottom line of a lot of 502 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 4: these organizations that have been out here fighting for black 503 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 4: people for decades. So we need to invest in our 504 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 4: own organizations. We need to make that a part of 505 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 4: what we do. We need to provide our not only 506 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 4: our monetary support, but our intellect, our support, our volunteership, 507 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 4: our time. We have every resource that we need within 508 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 4: the ten talents and abilities within our own community in 509 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 4: order to be able to think creatively about what needs 510 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 4: to happen next and put our own sort of shoulder 511 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 4: to the plow to make it happen. I think in 512 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 4: this moment, we need to remember that we are still empowered, 513 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 4: we are still brilliant, we are still capable, and think 514 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 4: about how can we start to actually put action behind 515 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 4: the needs so that we're not waiting and expecting things 516 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 4: to come back, but think about how can we use 517 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 4: the power that we currently have right now in order 518 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 4: to make what should be eventually? 519 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: What is that is? That's just it. I want to 520 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: add just a little bit to that. 521 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 3: As you know, we know stay to people right, We 522 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 3: know even in what we do it in many places 523 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 3: with roads to the South, is that we have. 524 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: To provide the need. But people are telling us that 525 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 2: they have to buy groceries. 526 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 3: If you say you buy the lesser grocery, that doesn't 527 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 3: necessarily mean lesser in you're getting it off brand. That 528 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 3: means you may be buying from the bulk and eating 529 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 3: much things that really are healthy for you because you're 530 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 3: trying to stretch it. 531 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 2: Right. 532 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 3: So being able to be clear in the local communities 533 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 3: what we must do to help people go through because 534 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 3: we understand, uh, data will show us that more people 535 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 3: are on welfare, more people on this, more more white 536 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 3: people of this and that. But at the end of 537 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 3: the day, on my street, my hometown of Mills, Florida, 538 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 3: where I'm from, people are hurting and they're invisible because 539 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,719 Speaker 3: they in these red these red places, right, like very 540 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 3: red red, red red right. And so we have to 541 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 3: do our churches, our community. Everybody can do a little 542 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 3: something like you're talking about, like what can I do? 543 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 3: Is your neighbor does neighbor need Ah? 544 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: Now, everybody doing what is called the apple pane. 545 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. 546 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,719 Speaker 3: It's always give all kinds of ways to do something. 547 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 3: Check check your home, check your your block. Yeah, you 548 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 3: can do that right, find out through your church. You 549 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 3: don't want to do it like that, then find out 550 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 3: what the church can do. 551 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 2: You know what our all of our and now not 552 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: I say people aren't doing. I just think that the. 553 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 3: Data that we're looking at is showing the reality of 554 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 3: what's happening. And our people are in black women who 555 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 3: are seventy heads of household. 556 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: That means the. 557 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 3: Children are strung. The impact is real. Does not mean 558 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 3: men are doing or all that. All I'm saying is 559 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 3: we have to all do what we can to help 560 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 3: fill the void while we try to work on the 561 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 3: systemic impact of what has been happening to try to 562 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 3: take black people out. Let's just be clear, like, let 563 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 3: me just say it's just trying to take us out. 564 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 3: You don't understand what that is. So if the fight 565 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 3: has to be different. In the meantime, day to day 566 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 3: living is also impacted. 567 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 4: We have to worry about that as well. 568 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: That's right. One thing that I've been doing a lot 569 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: in my speeches is, as can people, what's the first 570 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: thing your grandmother said when you walk the door. And 571 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: I actually was surprised to see white folks said this too, 572 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: But grandma asked you, are you hungry? Are you hungry, 573 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: that's it, and so we have to do that work. 574 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: I think that is the first order of business, and 575 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: the first order of ministry is service and meeting people's 576 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: basic needs. So I love you said that, and I 577 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: think on the other side of this November election, we're 578 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: going to see just how important meeting those basic needs 579 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: are and our ability to lean in around mutual aid 580 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: structures and societies like they leaned upon and during slavery, 581 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna be right back there. And self determination is 582 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: our pathway to liberation. So we're gonna work on that. 583 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: But now without this data, we got some data to 584 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: prove we need it. And I can't wait for y'all 585 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: to come back and break it all down for me 586 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: on the political side too, and hear what's going on. 587 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: You know, how parties should serve us, where we should 588 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: lean in, where our demands go. We are getting so 589 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: close to this election, less than one hundred days out. 590 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: It's time for us to come together and Mail and 591 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: doctor Avis, y'all have always made sure we do exactly that. 592 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: So as we continue to come together, as we continue 593 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: to build and be strategic, I absolutely want to be 594 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder with y'all. But after Mail's vacation, Doctor. 595 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 2: Avis vacation at six, that's the next drop. 596 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so okay, we're gonna have some time before that, 597 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: but then after that you're going on vacation. 598 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 4: Yes, okay. 599 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate you all for being with us. As 600 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: we always say on Native Lampod, welcome home, y'all, and 601 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: I can't wait to have you both back. Melanie Campbell 602 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: and Doctor Avis do we love y'all. 603 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 2: Thank you girl, absolutely, thank you. 604 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: Well, y'all, that was an incredible show, great data. We're 605 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: gonna make sure we put in the show notes the 606 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: information so that you all can see that polling data 607 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: from black women who spoke, who were heard, and they 608 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: talked to us about the pay gaps, DEI rollbacks and 609 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: the impacts. And we want to make sure that we 610 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: are lifting up our dear sisters who have been impacted 611 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: by the treachery this administration and the corporations that followed it. 612 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: We've got to stick together, y'all, come together and make 613 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: sure that you're looking out for your neighbor. Please love 614 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: your neighbor as yourself. And in the meantime and in 615 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: between times, I will see y'all on our next show 616 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: this week. Bacari is on vacation he forgot to tell 617 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: us about. So Garrison Hayes and the Joyane Read will 618 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: be joining me for our podcast this week. I hope 619 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: you guys will tune in. We have a lot to 620 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: talk about, including South Carolina will be the first in 621 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: the South, I'm sorry, first in the nation democratic primaries 622 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight. What type of power does that 623 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: give black people? We're gonna talk a little bit more 624 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: about this Nancy Mace Bogus Bill and so much more. 625 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna get into it with Garrison Hayes 626 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: Enjoy Read, So make sure y'all tune in for that. 627 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: I will see you soon. I'm gonna get back to 628 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: the National Bar Association be a good dues paying organizational member. 629 00:33:51,240 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: Until next time, y'all, Welcome home. Native Lampod is a 630 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio in partnership with Reis and Choice Media. 631 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visits the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 632 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.