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Speaker 2: All right, off a week vacation. Nice to be back

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Speaker 2: in the saddle. Flew cross country. Just landed about an

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Speaker 2: hour ago. John Middlecoff, former NFL scout, going to the

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Speaker 2: NFL Combine here this week. Also three and out his

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Speaker 2: podcast Go Low as his golf podcast. Yeah, so I

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Speaker 2: got a first of all, I usually flight Delta. I

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Speaker 2: Is incredible? So they start with fresh olives, you know,

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Speaker 1: People complaining about flies a lot, and listen, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's had a bad experience here and there. But I

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Speaker 1: You know, I haven't seen I've seen the three episodes.

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Speaker 2: Dollars, oh yeah, Drew Bledsoe, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Ron taught all these guys right from Ted Thompson. Gudakins

429
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Speaker 1: had worked there forever. So they've had the same culture

430
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Speaker 1: in terms of management since Ron Wolf showed up in

431
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Speaker 1: the early nineties. So the way they look at players,

432
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Speaker 1: they've always been obsessed with high weight speed. I don't

433
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Speaker 1: think it has to do as much with like pinchion

434
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Speaker 1: pennies and not being able to like, you know, you're

435
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Speaker 1: the Rays, they're the Yankee, so you have to outthink them.

436
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Speaker 1: I just think that they've taught and streamlined it from

437
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Speaker 1: generation to generation very very well. They have a like

438
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Speaker 1: a company culture there that I think has transcended general

439
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Speaker 1: managers from Ron Wolf to Ted Thompson and Gudakins, and

440
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: I think they've been pretty consistent. Back to what you're

441
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Speaker 1: saying with the draft of like they all know what

442
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Speaker 1: they're looking for because they've been looking for the same

443
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: thing now for thirty years. Helps a lot when you

444
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Speaker 1: have a quarterback, right, they have a quarterback and they

445
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Speaker 1: know how to surround the guy, and they've always done

446
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 1: an incredible job of surrounding the guy on offense. I

447
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: think the Ravens are a pretty good example of how

448
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: they transitioned from Ossni to Da Costa because the Costa

449
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Speaker 1: was his right hand man forever. Yes, So it's like

450
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Speaker 1: the point when you have the cohesion, like why are

451
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs so strong right now? Because Andy has Spags

452
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Speaker 1: who's never leaving, I mean, and who has goes back

453
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Speaker 1: for twenty years beating Belichick and Brady. It's very unique

454
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Speaker 1: to have that. Kyle or McVeigh get a good coordinator, Boom,

455
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Speaker 1: the guy's gone. They can't hold on to their defensive coordinator.

456
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Speaker 1: So I think having the cohesion the Packers is a

457
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Speaker 1: great place to work. I remember when we were there.

458
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Speaker 1: When I worked in the league, everyone was always kind

459
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Speaker 1: of envious of like cause it was like this chill vibe,

460
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Speaker 1: but they were winning big and it was just through

461
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Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. There was like the pressure we

462
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Speaker 1: had in Philadelphia, felt it every day when you went

463
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Speaker 1: in the building. They definitely don't have that. Yeah, I

464
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Speaker 1: think the Chiefs really have that going on right now,

465
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Speaker 1: but a lot has to do with winning. I just

466
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: think it's a very unique organization. But I do think

467
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: it gets back to the streamline vision from generation to generation,

468
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: and they've all crossed, you know, like John Schneider hires

469
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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald. They don't know each other. They're hoping this

470
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Speaker 1: chemistry works because he's good coach with the Ravens, and

471
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Speaker 1: you know he knows, but it's like you're kind of

472
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Speaker 1: keeping your fingers crossed. You look at Harball goes to

473
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Speaker 1: the Chargers. Who do they hire as his general manager?

474
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Speaker 1: A guy he knows, A guy he's comfortable with from Baltimore.

475
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Speaker 1: So you're like, yeah, it's probably gonna work out. He

476
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Speaker 1: knows John there, it's all in the family that matters,

477
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: Like Shanahan's had a lot of success with people he knows.

478
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Speaker 1: He's worked with Robert Solid he coached, Tamiko Ryans, Brian Greasy,

479
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Speaker 1: he worked with when he was young in Tampa's dad

480
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Speaker 1: knows him. We're all comfortable with people we know, right,

481
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Speaker 1: who do you hire the volume like to run your

482
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Speaker 1: management people that you're comfortable people with, You know, it helps.

483
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Speaker 1: Now they have to be talented, but like when you're

484
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Speaker 1: all on the same page, it's a lot easier to operate.

485
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Speaker 1: And I think for thirty plus years the packers have

486
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Speaker 1: just had a lot of cohesion. Not a lot of

487
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: people leave their coaches, do you know, But there their scouts.

488
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if they pay top notch relative to

489
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Speaker 1: the NFL executives, but I sure know when they're winning

490
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Speaker 1: things are having success, people like working there.

491
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can also buy a hell of a house

492
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Speaker 2: in Milwaukee, live like a king four hundred and ninety

493
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars. You know, It's it's just it was when

494
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Speaker 2: I saw the list, it was like, God, Green Bay

495
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 2: knows what they're doing and to your point, quarterbacks kind

496
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Speaker 2: of make it all work. You can, I mean, listen

497
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Speaker 2: Brett Veach in Kansas City's had some misses. You forget

498
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 2: sky Moore, you forget them really quickly. Malmes makes you

499
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Speaker 2: forget shit really quickly.

500
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Speaker 1: Well, it's like someone told me with the Jets a

501
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Speaker 1: couple of years ago. They're like they had all those

502
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Speaker 1: picks in the top whatever, the first couple of rounds

503
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: for two straight years, we could go seven of eight.

504
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: They all could be Pro bowlers. If Zach's a whiff,

505
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: were in trouble, we'd go one of eight. If Zach's

506
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: a hit. Contract extensions, Well what happened? They went seven eight,

507
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Speaker 1: Maybe not seven eight, but five or six of eight.

508
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: And Zach's the problem and they got issues that quarterback.

509
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Speaker 1: I mean, if Jordan Love and we're all gonna pencil

510
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Speaker 1: him in, I do think there's a difference of kind

511
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: of They got to fly him too the radar a

512
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Speaker 1: little bit. This year. They started slow, then they came on.

513
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Speaker 1: Everyone next year is gonna be looking at them like

514
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Speaker 1: double digit wins playoff team. It is a different pressure.

515
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Speaker 1: That's why I give a lot of credit to the Lions.

516
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Speaker 1: Everyone took the Lions seriously this year coming in and

517
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Speaker 1: they handled it well like it's it's a it's another.

518
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: Now Lafleur has success. Now he's been a part of

519
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: those type teams with Aaron, so he's I feel comfortable

520
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: with it. But sustaining high level play year in year out,

521
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Speaker 1: that's hard. So you know there's gonna be a lot

522
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Speaker 1: of tangible pressure on Jordan Love next year.

523
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Speaker 2: So it's it's interesting when I this is kind of

524
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Speaker 2: a vague topic, but I know I've always kind of

525
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Speaker 2: measured how often I talk football. I don't work at

526
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Speaker 2: the NFL network, nor do I want to. I like

527
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Speaker 2: the NBA. I like, you know, an October September baseball series.

528
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: I like the World Cup, a good UFC fight, I

529
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 2: like March Madness. I could never just talk football, and

530
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: I've always kept the number around sixty five percent of

531
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Speaker 2: the show. But I was talking to a TV exec.

532
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: I had a meeting about ten twelve days ago with

533
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: a really smart guy, and we were talking about the

534
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 2: Big Ten, and he said, those ratings are going to

535
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Speaker 2: go up fifteen to twenty percent. And I had given

536
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Speaker 2: college football about an eight year break a hiatus on

537
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: my show because it got very regional and very southern.

538
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: And I'm not anti SEC, but if it was all it.

539
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: Was Alabama, Georgia every in Clemson every year for seven

540
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Speaker 1: straight years.

541
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it just like listen, once baseball became

542
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 2: very local. Nobody in Minnesota is going to watch the Mariners.

543
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 2: Nobody in Seattle gives a rip about Tampa Bay. Yet

544
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: a Seahawk fan would watch the Buccaneer in Baker Mayfield play.

545
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: So once baseball about ten twelve years ago, I felt

546
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 2: it really got local. I just didn't talk about it.

547
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: College basketball is a turnstile now between the transfer portal

548
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: one and done. You can't name the starters on Duke,

549
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: but it is sort of interesting. I was talking to

550
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Speaker 2: this executive about the growth of college football. He goes,

551
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: you're not going to believe the numbers are going to explode.

552
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 2: And me started talking about the Big Ten schedule and

553
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: he's like, you're gonna get Washington, Oregon or Washington, Michigan,

554
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, USC You're gonna have three

555
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: and four games in a row all day. And it

556
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: did make me think as I was off this week,

557
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 2: and I you know, I kind of shut it down.

558
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: When I'm off, I don't watch sports. I just leave

559
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: and there was nothing going on anyway. I'm watching the

560
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Speaker 2: Warriors Nuggets today.

561
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Speaker 1: Crappy year.

562
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: But the biggest story in baseball last week as the

563
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: season starts uniforms. You know, they're kind of sheer see through.

564
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: Biggest story in the NBA was how bad the All

565
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: Star Game was. The biggest story in college basketball was

566
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: storming the court. Yet, the NFL is the sport we

567
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: talk about because we watch the games. Listen, if you're

568
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: a fan, listen to what we talk about when people, sportscasters,

569
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: podcasters talk football. We actually talk about strategy in the

570
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: games that the NFL. With the growth of college football,

571
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: which by the way, between the draft and the combine,

572
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: they're really starting to go hand in hand. College basketball

573
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: in the NBA are the Grand Canyon. They have nothing

574
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Speaker 2: in common. Most of the great players don't even want

575
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: to play in college basketball college baseball, but Major League baseball,

576
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: college hockey, they don't connect. You know, college soccer and

577
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: the MLS they don't connect. College football connects with the

578
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: NFL more and more. And I was sitting there this

579
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Speaker 2: week watching people talk about sports, and I thought, am

580
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Speaker 2: I going to do an eighty percent football show? Based

581
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: on the audience. As I've said, the audience drives the

582
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: show what they want. I follow ratings and I'm sitting

583
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: there thinking, I don't want to work at the NFL network.

584
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: But John, between legalized gambling, people now stick through bad games.

585
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: This massive Big Ten SCC explosion, where now the two

586
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: conferences are going to have all the games we watch,

587
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: the ratings are going to skyrocket the twelve team playoff.

588
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: I was sitting there this week and I thought, Jesus,

589
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Speaker 2: you're talking about see through pants in baseball? Is that

590
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: amongst your friends when you go golf, does anybody talk

591
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: about anything other?

592
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Speaker 1: Football is the other thing that it comes up consistently.

593
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: Even and I know a couple of guys and play

594
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Speaker 1: golf with some former Major League Baseball players. They talk football.

595
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: I mean the Bill's fan, a Packer fan. That's all

596
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: they want to talk about. And during the fall, I

597
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: think college football, like you said, think about next year Texas, Alabama, Oklahoma, Georgia, Texas, LSU,

598
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: the SEC and the Big Ten get it's gonna feel

599
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: like NFL light. I think the NFL. I've said this forever.

600
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's gonna last forever my entire life.

601
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: Like I'm almost forty does that forty years dominating When

602
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: I was growing up. Baseball was huge the nineties with

603
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: the Yankees basketball with Michael Jordan. But for the foreseeable future,

604
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: I don't see how that gap. I'm the All Star Game,

605
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: guys actively talk like why would we even try to participate?

606
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: Anthony Rendon, who's making two hundred and forty five million

607
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: dollars to that story, He's like, yeah, baseball is not

608
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Speaker 1: even a priority. It's like, well, I think for two

609
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars, probably probably don't want to

610
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Speaker 1: say that, buddy. You know, it's like, can you imagine

611
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: an NFL play? I think the relatability sometimes with you

612
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: and I don't even blame these guys cause you're getting

613
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: two hundred fifty million dollars guaranteed. Some of these basketball

614
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Speaker 1: players I played. I played golf last week during the

615
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Speaker 1: All Star break with a guy that calls NBA games,

616
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Speaker 1: and he was saying, one problem is, and he's on

617
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: a pretty high level team, but he just sees it

618
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: around the league, is it's always like you have to

619
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: max everybody out. Well, you can't lose them. Well, is

620
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: the guy a max player? Like we had the max Zion,

621
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Speaker 1: Did you or I mean, did you have to? Because

622
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: in the NFL you don't have to, and you would not,

623
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Speaker 1: And so everyone's making all this money. If I don't

624
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: care who you are, if you're twenty five years old

625
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: and you're basically guaranteed to get an astronomical amount of money,

626
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna be jaded in the way you think about everything.

627
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're in football.

628
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: It still has this old school meritocracy that if you

629
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: do not produce within two years. I've seen it forever.

630
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: It's why when I used to go to Niners camp

631
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: a lot like I'm not gonna make it too big

632
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: a deal about a third or fourth round pick, because

633
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: every year I've seen that third fourth round pick by

634
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: the time training camp ends, the undrafted free agents beating

635
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: him out and might even beat out the starter, And

636
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, two undrafted free agents are starting.

637
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: Guys are coming from everywhere, every team, I don't care

638
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: if you're a playoff team or a shitty team, and

639
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: they're It's kind of like relates to our life. You

640
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: gotta produce whatever you do. You either generate revenue, get

641
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: your job done, or you gotta get replaced. Where I

642
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: think in basketball and baseball, it's kind of like scholarship

643
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: once you get paid, Like, I can't what am I

644
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: gonna do with you? Even in football, you're gonna see

645
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: so many names this week. You're like, got it. I

646
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: thought that guy was under a long term contract. They're like, yeah,

647
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: we're thinking about cutting him if you won't take a

648
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: pay cut, well, thinking about trading him. So basically every guy,

649
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we could probably name thirty guys like untouchable

650
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: in the NFL. A lot of them are quarterbacks and

651
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: then a lot of like high level Trent Williams, Travis Kelce,

652
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: like those type guys. But basically every other name you

653
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: go half the Pro Bowl roster, you're like, yeah, yeah,

654
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: we could move on from that guy.

655
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: Yep.

656
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: And I think basketball and baseball used to have an

657
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: element of that. And definitely their guys were wired. Like

658
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: working in like local television in the Bay Area and

659
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: meeting a lot of guys that played in the eighties

660
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: and nineties, they had that attitude in baseball and basketball,

661
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: I can be replaced, I could be cut. They were

662
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: very relatable individuals. It's why Charles Barkley is like one

663
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: of the biggest TV stars of all time. He's relatable.

664
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: I think it's much more difficult for the modern guy

665
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: in that sport to be relatable because you're making one

666
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars guaranteed whether you're good or bad. No

667
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: one has a problem when you're good getting paid. But

668
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: he's like, is this guy, even Jordan Poole's making one

669
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty million dollars, he's like the worst in

670
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: the NBA.

671
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and I've talked to a handful of execs

672
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: and I've brought this up before. They laugh at the

673
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: NBA structure. They're like, what a joke they make fun

674
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: NFL guys. I remember having this conversation a couple of

675
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 2: years ago when the CTE thing came down, and a

676
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: lot of these Northeast media types who don't understand the

677
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: passion for football in the Midwest or college football, they're like,

678
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: it's the end of the NFL. Like you've been in

679
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: the Northeast way too long, where baseball still talked about

680
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: on sports radio a lot. I'm like, football's not going anywhere.

681
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: It's way too big to fail. There's way too much money,

682
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: and they've cleaned it up that nobody hits at practice

683
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: anymore once the season starts. By the way, you get

684
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl, usually the teams that get to

685
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl are missing maybe one starter. Like everybody's

686
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: got the I mean, guys are healthy.

687
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: Miners and Chiefs were healthy.

688
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a you know the Chiefs a few

689
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: years ago missing their tackles, and it was like, yeah,

690
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: that's what happens. But one of the things the structure

691
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: of the NFL is the structure of most of our lives.

692
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: You're tradeable, cuttable, fireable. And I never understand fans like

693
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: this is like we're fans. I look at fans and

694
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: I just think you guys are in your mind this idea.

695
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: I want my guy to get the bag.

696
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: Fuck that.

697
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: I don't want many players to get the bag because

698
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: it limits my flexibility. I am always rooting for the

699
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: team to sign a reasonable contract so it gives the

700
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: team flexibility. I mean this idea like Dack's got a

701
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 2: three hundred million dollars net worth after his next contract,

702
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: He's fine, but you're you're not fine if you overpay players.

703
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: But it is interesting. The NFL is the only sport

704
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: and I will say the MLS and hockey are the closest.

705
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: NBA Baseball are a mess that it's like you just.

706
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: I turned to a former hockey guy that played fifteen years.

707
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know who he was, but we started BS

708
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: and he was one of the most relatable individuals. I

709
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: had to google him after God, this guy played. They

710
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: have a relatability to the way they talk and the

711
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: way they interact. They're actually I'm like, this guy could

712
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: have talked to anyone in here and could have gotten along.

713
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: It was very impressive.

714
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I met a guy at a bar in Naples

715
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: one time. NHL guy was a Bruin. I didn't know.

716
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: I'm google them same. But I also think they have

717
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: a very tight cap and stars get paid. Everybody else

718
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: makes a good living, not an insane living. And I'm

719
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: not anti I always said this. I'm not anti players

720
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: making money. I'm not anti mobility. But in any business,

721
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 2: if you're paying B and C employees a money, you're

722
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: going to have a problem. And I do think and again,

723
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 2: I love NBA playoff basketball, I really do. It's one

724
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: of my favorite things. But I NFL guys they look executives, owners,

725
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: they look at the NBA and baseball and they just

726
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: laugh at their structure.

727
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: Well, I think one power of the NFL, like you

728
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: said about a random fan will watch not his team

729
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: and know their players. I also think because the power listen,

730
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: we can argue over the franchise tag, whether it's fair

731
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: or not. It's one of the healthiest things for the

732
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: business by a mile, because when Kevin Durant or Aaron

733
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: Judge or Shoheo Tani when they hit free agency, there

734
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: is no mechanism to keep them, and in those leagues,

735
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: guys turn over a lot, which is not great for

736
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: the league. If I'm the Kansa Chiefs, I would imagine

737
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: bottom ten market in the NFL. If I want to

738
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: keep Patrick Mahomes his entire career, or the Packers with

739
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: Rogers Afar, I can until I choose to get rid

740
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: of them, and that's healthy for my organization for the league.

741
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: The Chiefs were just in a Super Bowl and they're

742
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: easily now I would say one of the most recognizable

743
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: brands in the NFL because of Patrick, and that's not

744
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: really possible. Like in the NBA, if the Nuggets make

745
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals, it's not great. They would much rather

746
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: have Steph Curry or Lebron in the NBA Finals. We're

747
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: in the NFL. It helps to have the Niners there,

748
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: But if it had been the Lions, maybe it's not

749
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty What is one hundred and fifteen

750
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: million people still watch the enter It doesn't impact. And

751
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: that's where I think the NFL has dwarfed everyone that

752
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: they're no longer dependent on markets. The brands. Yeah, their

753
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: brands changed by the player, by the quarterback. Who you know,

754
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: if Josh Allen's healthy is going to be on the

755
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: bill for fifteen years and it's all you didn't like that?

756
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go back ten years, the CTE check

757
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: whenever it was. It was remarkable to listen to so

758
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: many sports writers. It was like, guys, your tone deaf.

759
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: Don't you have never lived in the South. You don't

760
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: get Texas. It was a lot of Northeast sports writers.

761
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: It was a lot of this high minded Remember Sports

762
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: Illustrated started out covering fencing, had to be like persuaded

763
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: to cover football. There is this sort of high minded

764
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: view of you know, college football and football, and it's like, guys,

765
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: it's it's the best run sport.

766
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: You know.

767
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: There was a great moment in the Dynasty series with

768
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: Roger Goodell. Remember when they got rid of the tapes

769
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: put a hammer to him, got rid of the Spygate tapes. Yeah,

770
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: and there was this media guy, why'd you get rid

771
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: of the tape? And he said, well, because the punishment

772
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: had been handed out. Well, but what about and he said, no,

773
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: the punishment had been handed out, there was no need

774
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 2: for the tapes. Well, I mean why Goodell said, tapes

775
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: get out? He goes, like these got out? He goes,

776
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: we destroyed them, and it shut the reporter up. But

777
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: the reporter he wanted so badly. Goodell got hammered for

778
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: that that he destroyed the tapes. And the point was

779
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 2: there was no value in those tapes once the spines

780
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: and suspensions were handed out. Belichick was fine half a

781
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: million dollars at the time anytime, a lot of money.

782
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: But at the time he wasn't making what he's making now.

783
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: And so Goodell gets a lot of crap because I

784
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: think by and large, the media doesn't like power. But

785
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: like Dana White and Goodell, i'd argue are the two

786
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 2: best commissioner CEOs of their sport. They're both Dana's highly

787
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: defiant and Goodell. Think about how big that industry is.

788
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: What's the last look at how leagues have dealt with

789
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: societal changes, cultural changes, strikes. I've always thought Goodell, mostly

790
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: because Goodell doesn't pander to the media. I've had dinner

791
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: with him and drinks. You can ask Roger anything. He

792
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: literally I asked him on the air one time he

793
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: came on my show and I said, Roger, I love

794
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: your sport. I don't know what it catches. My friends

795
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: don't know what it catches. He acknowledged live on the ear.

796
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: He goes, it's Colin. It's a problem. That year they

797
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: changed it in the Super Bowl Eagles. Remember in that

798
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 2: Super Bowl the ball was juggled and they allowed it.

799
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: What commissioner would have done that? I think when I

800
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: watched The Dynasty, it was another reminder that the NFL

801
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: is incredibly well run and Goodell really has his shit

802
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: buttoned up.

803
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: How about the part when Robert Craft bought the Patriots

804
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: that he bought the surrounding area because he knew the

805
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: value in that that. No, I was like, what a genius.

806
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the level of business savviness that it

807
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: takes to even because he's thinking that before he even

808
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: has the money and the level of no wonder, he's

809
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: one of the better owners in the NFL. No wonder

810
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: his you know, he's being talked about like he is

811
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: to be able to make a move like that.

812
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So for people wondering the stadium wasn't great, but.

813
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: I think historically it was like the worst in the NFL.

814
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: One I thought, yeah, it was. In fact, they threatened

815
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: to go to Hertford at one point, and so he

816
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 2: bought the Craft, bought the he bought the land around

817
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: the stadium. So if you bought the stadium, he was

818
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: gonna you know, he would be making all the money

819
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: around it with shops and restaurants. No. I think I

820
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: think what I appreciated about all that is that, you know,

821
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: Kraft was a Patriot fan. That's all he was. He

822
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: was a Patriot fan. Yeah, and all these owners when

823
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: they buy the team. When Jerry Jones bought the team,

824
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson told me, for the first year, financially, Jerry

825
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 2: was like going to card dealers and try to get ads.

826
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: Like He's like, we do it. We weren't the Cowboys.

827
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 2: It's like you had to overpay Craft. By the way,

828
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: the first couple of years, they were not rolling.

829
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: In it, no one thing. And I said this on

830
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: the podcast last week. You might not have seen because

831
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: you were vacationing, but Drod Mayo, they clearly have a

832
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: huge push from the Patriots to be like, we love

833
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: the media. Now you guys who are our friends, our

834
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: assistant coaches, know your importance. And I don't even And

835
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: I've heard good things. He's an impressive guy. I don't

836
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: even necessarily blame him for saying that because it's clearly

837
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: coming from Jonathan and Robert. I think they are too obsessed, Like, yeah,

838
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: Bill could be an asshole who cares no one the

839
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: media does, has no pull in the narrative. Once you

840
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: start playing games, if you win, it doesn't matter how

841
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: he is. If you lose, it doesn't none of it matters.

842
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: He's only gonna be So yeah, they could write great

843
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: articles for the next six months. The moment he starts

844
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: zero and four and Jade Daniels has throwing seven interceptions

845
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: in one touchdown, you got a problem on your hands.

846
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: No matter how much they like the guy, they will

847
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: turn on you every time. So I understand the crafts.

848
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: They just want some. They want more smiles. It's all bullshit.

849
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: The reason Belichick got run out of time he started

850
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: losing it wasn't because his press conferences. And I just

851
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: think it's a human you know, it's natural reaction to

852
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: want to pivot off what you just had. In relationships

853
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: with coaches, we see it all the time. The Craft

854
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: parcels a hole Pete nice guy, Belichick like parcels now,

855
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: jirod Mao like a Pete Carroll happy. And I think

856
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: they're obsessed with the wrong thing right now in New England,

857
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: and I do wonder if they got something coming their way,

858
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a lot more difficult than they realize.

859
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: You know, I've had people ask me this before, why

860
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: the athletes come on your show, And I think, well,

861
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: I got a bigger each And I'm not Mike Wallace.

862
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: I can ask a tough question. But by and large,

863
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: most athletes have secondary incomes or you know, projects or charities,

864
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: and we always mention them. But I think the reality

865
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: of athletes and sports is they largely don't need the media.

866
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: That's why I've always appreciated let's pivot to the NBA here,

867
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 2: It's why I've always appreciated Lebron James. It doesn't matter

868
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: if it's a local, regional, telecaster, national. Lebron always stops

869
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: to talk to the press always. Michael did this too.

870
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: Jordan was great, Kobe was really good at this stuff.

871
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 2: Some guys aren't. But you know, as Lebron season winds down,

872
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 2: I think the Lakers have championship length. Lebron ad I

873
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: don't think their championship team. I think Boston and Denver

874
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: just feel like better than everybody. But I do want

875
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: to talk about the Warriors for second, because generally, speaking

876
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: as I was, you know, they've gone on a bit

877
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 2: of a heater. I think they've won eight of ten,

878
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 2: played really really well. They put Clay Thompson on the bench,

879
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: and they brought this rookie and who they drafted to

880
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: be the next Clay, the Pods kid, Brandon Podds like

881
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: and he is frankly, he's got I mean even during

882
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: draft night, you're like, he kind of plays like Clay.

883
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: He's got an edge to him. He's a little salty,

884
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: and then cominga now has become like a pretty consistently

885
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: good performer. Wiggins is playing a little better now. Generally,

886
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 2: you know, Shaq and Kobe breaks up. The Heatles break

887
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: up Michael Jordan. You can get really bad, really fast.

888
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 2: But I'm sitting watching I'm sitting watching the Warriors over

889
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: the last two weeks, and I'm like, okay, that's the

890
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: last dynasty and I'm like, now Cominga's Cominga's a real player,

891
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: and Clay's off the bench. Clay's, by the way, he

892
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 2: had a heater playing the Nuggets. Clay off the bench

893
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: is a totally different expectation than Clay starting. And I'm like,

894
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: I know they have a rookie, but I watch them

895
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, they don't match up well with Denver.

896
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 2: Almost nobody does. Lakers do a little because Ad can

897
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 2: defend Jokich, but you know the Bay Area very well.

898
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: Are we gonna have because it doesn't work this way.

899
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: When dynasty's end, they go into the freaking tank. Durant left,

900
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 2: they want another one. Then they step back and I

901
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: watched them in the last two weeks and I'm like,

902
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: you know what, Steph's still a top five six player,

903
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 2: Draymond's still a catalyst, offensively excellent defensive player, Clay off

904
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: the bench, two young guys that can actually score pods

905
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: can score, Coaminga can score. Kurzys Wiggins has played much better.

906
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, John the West outside of Denver,

907
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: everybody's got an issue. Like everybody.

908
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: I think one thing the Warriors have is they're a throwback.

909
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys have played together forever. I mean

910
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: you watch the Phoenix Suns. They've been together for ten minutes. Yeah,

911
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: how can you have any faith in most of these

912
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: teams beside Denver that they've been put together over the

913
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: last eighteen months. The Warriors are much more like a

914
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: nineties or eighties teams where the group has played together forever.

915
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: How about Steve kurz contract right, Like he's not in

916
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: it for the rest of his life, but as long

917
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: as step is there and Draymond is there and now

918
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: they have some young players, So yeah, I wouldn't want

919
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: any part of these guys in a big length I

920
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: mean last year the Lakers annihilated him in that series

921
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: length play and Clay was terrible. So to me, if

922
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: Clay is the day and age of fourteen through eighteen,

923
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: is gone right ace. But if he is just a

924
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: solid I can trust six out of the seven games

925
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: to be in the high teens in one of those

926
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 1: games he gets.

927
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 2: It's like when westbrookoff the bench for the Clippers is

928
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: a mister energy.

929
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought, Draymond said on his podcast. He's like,

930
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm telling you we can compete for a championship this year.

931
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: Like they're cohesion their group. They got Chris Paul coming back,

932
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: Cary Peyton's healthy now, and Steph is one of the

933
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: most remarkable players in the history of sports and still

934
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: like when he's going, is one of the best players

935
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: in the NBA. The key to them, though, is Draymond,

936
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: who's playing really well in Clay because Steph last year,

937
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 1: like what else do you want to do against the Lakers?

938
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: It was everybody else. So they just need Clay to

939
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: meet Clay. If he can be like a B for

940
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: them and then at moments a B plus a minus

941
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: against good teams in the first or second round, then yeah,

942
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: hell yeah they could make a run. Yeah you know it,

943
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: Steve Kirk about you see their value when Steph showed up,

944
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: it was like three hundred and twenty five million dollars.

945
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: That's what lake A bought the team for. Now. I

946
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: don't think they would sell for this because so much

947
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: is dependent on Steph who's thirty six, thirty seven years old.

948
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: Ford valued them at over eight billion dollars.

949
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 2: Oh, I think. So the arena is the arena.

950
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: It's a cash cow. It's one of the only cash cows. Yeah.

951
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

952
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: And also that they own, so that's that's a huge thing.

953
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a huge component to it. It's interesting.

954
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: So I covered Steve Kirk a couple years in Portland,

955
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: and that team also had the governor of Oregon, like

956
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 2: Chris Dudley. So it was a team that had like

957
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: problem guys and then two of the smart guys like mayors,

958
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: and it just was a fast bonus. Was a fascinating

959
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 2: player to cover Damien's Damon Stodemeyer Pippen. But Kerr's remarkable.

960
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: So Kerr is part of the greatest NBA team ever

961
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: and hit some of the biggest shots. He's now one

962
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: of the best coaches. He's largely considered sort of it's

963
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: got kind of a Phil Jackson field where there's a psychology,

964
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: a psychological impact, an expertise beyond just x's no's. So

965
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: he's on the greatest team created, one of the best

966
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 2: coaches of all time. As a general manager. It's first

967
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: of all, it's it's impossible. This list league is. If

968
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 2: you don't have great players, you know you're not a

969
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 2: great GM. He was. He was clearly capable. He was

970
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: a tremendous broadcaster. I mean I thought he was. I

971
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: think he's one of the best analysts in any sport.

972
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: I thought Kerr was a riot. He was quick, he

973
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 2: was nimble, he was funny player, broadcaster, coach like Kerr.

974
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: In my lifetime, Phil played marginal player, Phil coach, great GM,

975
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: disaster broadcaster. No like Steve, Kerr has moved into an area.

976
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what the compass broadcaster, coach, player.

977
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: He is one of the most significant people in league history.

978
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: I think just people have taken him for granted because

979
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: he looks so young. People forget that he's an older guy.

980
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: Now he's moving into a pat riley stage where I'm like,

981
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: this is an all time top five guy in league history.

982
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: And it wasn't he part. I mean, he was one

983
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: of the key guys in some of those great teams

984
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: at Arizona. I mean, he's been basketball royalty for since

985
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: the moment he was eighteen nineteen years old. I think

986
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 1: we say this a lot of times in scouting, like

987
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: this guy could do whatever he wants, could run a bank,

988
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: could start his own company, could be a football player.

989
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: And it's usually with famous you know, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady,

990
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: Drew Brees usually fall under that. I think we look

991
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: at Steve a little different because he was a role player,

992
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: but like that was really the the like his lowest

993
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: level of accomplishment in terms of his ability right everything

994
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: else he's been Michael Jordan at like, he's clearly one

995
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: of the best coaches in the NBA's he's now the

996
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: highest paid guy. He was, he was an elite, he

997
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: was an all time great shooter. He just wasn't very big.

998
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: He just had physical limitations. But Michael trusted him. I

999
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: mean the last dance is like, Steve, I'm coming to you, right,

1000
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: trust him that way. Phil swore by him. Phil begged

1001
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: him to take the next job under The media loves

1002
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: to call Phil the village idiot, but for a long

1003
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: time in my life, Phil was the cream of the crop.

1004
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: And Joe lacub who was an old school kind of

1005
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: just like George Steinbrenner killer, i mean, refuses like has

1006
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: gone all in on this guy now for a decade.

1007
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: So he went there, and Steph Curry basically went to

1008
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: the Warriors like I'm not playing for anybody else. So

1009
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: one of the greatest players in the history of the

1010
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: sport basically looked at management like you better figure this out.

1011
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: He told Marcus Thompson Athletic like I wanted Steve to

1012
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: stay and put our contracts together. That's the guy like

1013
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's going, you know, on Kobe, the way they

1014
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: talked about Phil that's the way they talk about Steve Kerr.

1015
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: So I think he's just one of those rare guys.

1016
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: He could have been a politician, he could have been

1017
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: an executive. He was, but in any other industry, obviously,

1018
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: he's just a basketball addict. And I think basketball got

1019
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: lucky that how many guys of his level would have

1020
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: because the last thing that came was coaching. He did

1021
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: everything else right, He broadcasting, general manager, business stuff. It's

1022
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: like I really want to coach. It's usually the other

1023
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: way around. The guy coaches first kind of gets burned

1024
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: out and does all the other stuff. He actually did

1025
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: the hardest thing last. Now he got lucky. Lucky. He's

1026
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: the wrong word. He made the right decision because he

1027
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: had options. Instead of going to the Knicks, he went

1028
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: to the Warriors, and obviously it changed the trajectory of

1029
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: his basketball life. But when you just think like basketball

1030
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: Hall of Famers, he's got three rings with the Bulls,

1031
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: he's got two rings with the Spurs. He's got four

1032
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: rings with the Warriors. And they've lost a couple of finals. Right,

1033
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: how many finals the guy have been to? Probably like fifteen.

1034
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: The we'll wrap it up here, we've been we've been

1035
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 2: going fifty minutes. We'll wrap it up. So I go.

1036
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 2: My wife and I John bought a place in Rhode

1037
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: Island because I went there for ten years when I

1038
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 2: worked at the other place, and we vacation took our

1039
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: kids there. So we sold our house in la in

1040
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 2: like July and we bought a place in August next

1041
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: to a beach in Rhode Island. So it's always been

1042
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: one of my favorites.

1043
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: It showed me the picks of the party. It looked good.

1044
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice, and that's that's where I'll retire in

1045
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: the summer and fall in about twelve years, ten twelve

1046
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: years whatever. And so Friday night we go out with

1047
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: friends and We come home at nine thirty and we

1048
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 2: pull into the driveway, my wife and I, and there's

1049
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: a car parked in my driveway. Now gotta remember this

1050
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 2: is a summer, summer town. There's nobody's lights you're on

1051
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 2: except ours. So I'm like, what's going on? So I

1052
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: pull in behind the car and I walk up to

1053
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 2: it with my phone. You know, I don't know what's

1054
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: going on about lights in the house. Is somebody robbing

1055
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: my house? So I go up there and I asked

1056
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: this young girl. She rolls her window down and her

1057
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: dog starts barking. I said, can I ask why you're here?

1058
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: And she says, she pauses, Well, I uh yeah. I

1059
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: was just wondering if your house is for sale. And

1060
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'm getting robbed. It's nine thirty, there's

1061
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 2: no for sale sign. I'm getting robbed. Her boyfriend's in

1062
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 2: the house. So I called nine one one, given the address. Well,

1063
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 2: the Westerly Rhode Island Police fantastic, like three dudes, three cars.

1064
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 2: Wasn't a lot of action, And apparently they came flying

1065
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 2: down the street. And we're kind of on a point

1066
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: so it's not easy to get to so and they

1067
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 2: were great guys. I mean, they were just total pros.

1068
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: It really made me feel good about this town. I'm like,

1069
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 2: these guys really are buttoned up. They were young, fit.

1070
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 2: Look you're right in the eye. They were to take

1071
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: names on the guys. Yeah, they weren't effing around. And

1072
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 2: I was in the house.

1073
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: What's that was someone in the house.

1074
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 2: Well, so the guy goes there cars running. First of all,

1075
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: shouldn't be here cars running, And I said, there's no

1076
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 2: lights on. So my takeaway was, either she thinks because

1077
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift lives ten houses away, I said, much bigger

1078
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: than my house. Obviously, I said, does she think this

1079
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: is Taylor Swift's house is a mental health issue? So

1080
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: they talked to her and it was she was very confused,

1081
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 2: you know, made certain claims that didn't make any sense.

1082
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 2: So then you feel sympathy. You're like, okay, Then I

1083
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: had to Then the cops would the house, three of them,

1084
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 2: you know, they were ready to go. And then I

1085
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 2: followed in and in this house is one hundred years old.

1086
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 2: My basement has ten doors, I mean it's it's a

1087
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 2: maze of doors. And we've been fixing it up for

1088
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 2: five six months. So and so I tried to eat.

1089
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 2: I tried to email the Westwardly police the next day.

1090
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 2: It was so damn hard to find an email. I

1091
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 2: just was going to email a sergeant and say, hey,

1092
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 2: your guys are great. You got good dudes there, man,

1093
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 2: they were total pros. But you know, it's so I

1094
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 2: guess my point is when we discovered that Taylor Swift

1095
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: was ten houses away, I was like, that doesn't hurt

1096
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 2: property value now.

1097
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: I was like, do you think she was looking for

1098
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift or she's just kind of off on her eye?

1099
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 2: I just said, I because there's been stories of multiple

1100
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 2: people like being around the property. I mean, Taylor Swift's

1101
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: the biggest star in the world, the biggest star, beautiful, talented.

1102
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: So it really did make me think, oh my god,

1103
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 2: because this this young lady had no idea who I was.

1104
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 2: I mean, she didn't care, But my god, I got

1105
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,479
Speaker 2: my wife in the car. I'm here to protect my wife,

1106
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 2: like right, like, I'm go out of the car. I

1107
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 2: got the phone. I'm like, you know, but so that's

1108
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: want to hear.

1109
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on Baker Mayfield's next contract.

1110
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: Nah, wasn't really interested in the combine breakdown, not so Anyway,

1111
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: the point was I had a great week off. I

1112
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 2: love where I went. It's unbelievable, but there was a

1113
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 2: little drama there. And also that I love Rhode Island.

1114
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: But Rhode Island's got a neat unique history, very unique

1115
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 2: history that you know. Buddy Seance was a mayor of Providence.

1116
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 2: Providence Federal Hill, it's where the mob bumb out. So

1117
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: you know, Rhode Island's the wild wild West in government.

1118
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 2: I almost I have a wine store business in Connecticut

1119
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: with my friend Brian. You know, we thought about moving

1120
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 2: into Rhode Island and it was like, Okay.

1121
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: No thanks, you gotta pay. I'm on twenty percent off

1122
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: the top just to operate.

1123
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: Oh John, you don't know the half of it. Twenty percent.

1124
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: So and by the way, I love Rhode Island because

1125
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: of its history. It's so unique. It's a little wild

1126
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 2: wild West. They do their own thing. But earlier that night,

1127
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: the place I was at I went and I it

1128
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: was a very interesting place. I won't give the name out,

1129
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 2: but I asked the people that took me there, I'm like,

1130
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,479
Speaker 2: they got thirty people in this area. There's twelve people

1131
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: in the restaurant. How the hell do they fund it.

1132
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 2: My friend goes, oh, yeah, it's run by the mob,

1133
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: and I'm like, so between I went to a place

1134
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: run by the mob. I mean they had like thirty

1135
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: people and I'm like, there's eight people having dinner. This

1136
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense. I mean it was just and

1137
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: then between that and the young lady who I think

1138
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: thought I was Taylor Swift, my Friday was it was full.

1139
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 2: It was full.

1140
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: It was a lot of John Gottie call on Coward

1141
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: and Taylor Swift on the same street.

1142
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: Crazy ass Friday for me. Glad I'm home in quiet

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles. John Middlcoff enjoy the combine, Buddy.

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Speaker 1: I will take it easy.

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Speaker 2: Volume. Thanks so much for listening. If you've enjoyed the podcast,

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