1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: This this Winston Losses with Clay Trevis, play talks with 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: the most entertaining people in sports, entertainment and business. Now 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: here's Clay Trevis. Welcome into Wins and Losses. I am 4 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 1: Clay Travis. You're fearless host. This is a podcast we 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: do weekly. I hope you guys are enjoying them. About 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: to talk with Bobby Bones, who is an incredibly successful 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: radio show host in his own right. So you will 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: hear two radio show hosts talking, which will maybe drive 9 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: you insane or maybe you will love it. Yes. Uh 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: And if you enjoyed this one, I guarantee you that 11 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: you will probably enjoy some of the other conversations we've had. 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: Goal is to find people who are interesting in sports, media, politics, 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: business and beyond and talk to them about how they 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: ended up where they are now. So, without further ado, 15 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: you already heard him. He's Bobby Bones on Twitter at 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: Bobby Bones. No, I couldn't you get it. I try 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: to buy Bobby Bones from that Bobby of the show. 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: It's at Mr Bobby Bones. But the guy who has 19 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: it has like a hundred followers. I don't even want 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: to say at Bobby Bones because you're gonna go check 21 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: it out. I tried to buy the Instagram. I tried 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: to buy the Twitter, and the guy's like, I don't 23 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: want to sell it. It It means too much to me. 24 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: You don't tweet. If you tweet it every day, I 25 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: would understand. Or if you were like a dog food 26 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: company or something, and the money it's went up. He's 27 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: been He's not even squatting like it means something to him. 28 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: What is his name really, Bobby Bones? I don't know. 29 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: He won't talk to me other than say no. It's 30 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: like girls they don't talk to you other than say no. 31 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: It's very similar. It's funny. I started out kicked the coverage, 32 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: and then pretty soon I was like, damn, I need 33 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: to buy OutKick right like I need to have OutKick 34 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: dot com in the event that somebody tries to go 35 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: find me at OutKick dot com. And it was like 36 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: a German uh, Like, I don't even know what it 37 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: means in German. I'm probably in trouble for that already. 38 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: But it was some sort of German company. And so 39 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: I tracked him down and I tried to send him 40 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: an email, and I was like, hey, you know, I've 41 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: got this website. I'll kick the coverage in English, right, 42 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I have no idea if they can read it, 43 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: and I sent it to him, I don't hear anything. 44 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: And then fortunately for me, that company goes bankrupt and 45 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: uh and the site goes into auction and for like 46 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: five grand or whatever it was, I bought out kick 47 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: dot Com. But I would have probably paid ten right 48 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: if they had just responded to my email just to 49 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: have out kick dot com. I didn't have that opportunity. 50 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 1: But it is funny, like I'm may be fortunate somewhat 51 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: and that at Clay Travis, nobody else is out there 52 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: that's I'm looking at it. Six followers is protected well. 53 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: And you know what's funny is I bet a bunch 54 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: of his followers are people that are your fans, probably 55 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: because if it's protected, they probably and it's probably cute girls. 56 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, I'll let them follow me. Mr 57 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: Bobby Bones. I'm I'm a real treat over there. So uh, 58 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: Mr Bobby Bones. So you, for people out there who 59 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: don't know you do a daily radio show country music 60 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: stations all over the country from like how many hours 61 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: a day are you guys on We're on for five, So, uh, 62 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: we work Central time or so we're on five to 63 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: ten Central, but we gotta be on A five, so 64 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: we could be on a six Eastern. Yeah, so you're 65 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: somewhat familiar, like we've met each other really because we 66 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: initially were doing the Fox Sports radio show like right 67 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: next door to you guys here. And we're also up 68 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 1: insanely early in the morning, and there's like nobody else 69 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: in Nashville who's up at our hours. The traffic is 70 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: not bad whenever you have to drive in a four 71 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: yet that's the only benefit. And I go to bed 72 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: at eight every night, try eight thirty unless I'm tolding 73 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: the way you do that because I see your Twitter 74 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: feed and you're regularly tweeting after that. My goal I 75 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: discipline myself, at least by setting goals, is to be 76 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: in bed by eight if I'm here in the Central 77 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: time zone. Yeah, and how often do you do that? 78 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: Three nights a week? That's pretty good? Yeah. Do you 79 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: actually fall asleep quickly or you like, Yeah, I watched 80 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: The Office probably four or five episodes a night. You 81 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: just hop on Netflix and is it the greatest most 82 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: funny television show of all time? And I can't understand 83 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: why I can keep watching it over and over. I 84 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: can't understand why I continue to be moved by the 85 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: same thing. I was watching the episode last night where 86 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: Jim and Pam get married. Yeah, I cried. I've seen 87 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: it think thirteen times, like I I can quote it 88 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: all back, yet I still got emotional by it. But 89 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: and I wake up with three fifteen every morning, Um, 90 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: just naturally, Nope, No, I hate waking up the morning. 91 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: I'm not a morning per eight mornings to which is 92 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: ironic that we both do morning radio. Like but in 93 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: your ideal life, you would be a night person like 94 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: you for most of your life, where you like I 95 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: wake up at eleven probably yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, 96 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: that would be it for me. But you wake up 97 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: early in the morning unless I'm touring, which is my schedule. 98 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: Flip flop. So I'll do wake up at three every 99 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: morning until Saturday, you know, Saturday and Sunday. Yeah, because 100 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm on the road, or if I'm out in California, 101 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: if I'm doing television and I have to wake up 102 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: at one in the morning, that's brutal. We're gonna get 103 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: into that in a little bit. But so I like 104 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: to start on these shows with like where you grew up? 105 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: And I know where you grew up. I know a 106 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: lot about your history because I read your first book. 107 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: I haven't read the second book yet, but I think 108 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: it's called Bare Bones. Uh. And it's a fabulous book. 109 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: I mean, really really good. I I read it texted 110 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: you after I finished it, and I was like, dude, 111 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: this book is legitimately really really good. So I know 112 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: a lot of your background, so I can ask you 113 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: leading questions here. You grew up in small town Arkansas. 114 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: For people who don't know what your background was, like, 115 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: how would you describe it? Well, I thought it was 116 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: pretty normal when you're surrounded by other people that are 117 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: also living in poverty. Yeah, you know, I never thought 118 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: a rural rural liked seventy two people in the town. 119 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: There's a sawmill that's been closed down. Um this The 120 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: town is still very segregated. There's a railroad track that 121 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: runs down the middle, and there's the white quarters in 122 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: the black quarters still today, which is wild. Um. So yeah, 123 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: and there's not that many people in either the white 124 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: or the black quarters. And you know there's one store 125 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: now which is like like we used to go to town. 126 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: When you got town, you go to Walmart and you 127 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: would go and tell everybody near you, this sound like 128 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: little house in the prairie. Now I's like, get older, 129 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: it's it's it's just nutty. But you go, hey, we're 130 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: going to Walmart. And that was twenty minutes away into 131 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: Hot Springs, and that was a big deal. I get 132 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: to go to Walmart. It was a big deal because 133 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: you went about once a week and you get to 134 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: walk through and it's like there's all this stuff to 135 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: see you, right, I mean like it's a like for 136 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: people out there who are regularly surrounded by stores and 137 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: everything else, Like it's I feel like we'll get into 138 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've watched all the Stranger Things yet, 139 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: but I feel like, uh, you know, it's it's crazy 140 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: to me, was watching Stranger Things set in I think 141 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: this most recent version. They're my producer Jason Martin over 142 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: there saying they're closer to World War two almost than 143 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: they are to present day. I saw your tweet about that. 144 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: That blow your mind too. Like when you sit around, 145 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: you're like, holy cow, Like it's it's crazy that we're 146 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: it's almost equidistant between the two and I think for me, 147 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: my all might happened in the nineties and now it 148 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: feels like we're just getting so old. We're getting so old. 149 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: My coast and I needed both talks about fourhead today 150 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: that we are. We had one traffic No, we had 151 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: no traffic lights when you were growing up. Yeah, and 152 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: we only got a cell phone tower a year ago, 153 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: so you could still like it was like you're driving 154 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: back in time when you go back to your years ago. 155 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: You had no cell service when you went into my hometown. Yeah, 156 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: that's it's a pretty poor town. We once the saw 157 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: mills shut down, it kind of all went south. Yes, 158 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: So but again I grew up in the middle of that, 159 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: and I really didn't know until I started to get 160 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: older to go, wow, I'm a food stamp kid. Not 161 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: everybody in the world's a food stamp kid. Or you know, 162 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: we were on welfare. We did um. You know you 163 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: had to wait for food on Sunday's uh if when 164 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: the church was passing it out. That was normal until 165 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: I realized later on it really wasn't that normal. Because 166 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: you're your kid, you think whatever surround you was perfectly normal. 167 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: That's what you see is what you know, you really aren't. 168 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: And and again our education was not good, so it 169 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: wasn't like, you know, we had teachers coming in to 170 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: teach us about the culture of France, you know that 171 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: we didn't learn about all these uh nutty places or 172 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: big cities like Little Rock. Uh. So it was fine. 173 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: It was actually a pretty good childhood as far as 174 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: where I grew up. Now, my mom was a drug addict, 175 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: and so we really didn't have a relationship. She ended 176 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: up dying in her forties. Yeah, And and she was 177 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: champion when she was fifteen, right right in fifteen sixteen, 178 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: so she had a struggle, you know, and she had 179 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: a top of My dad left when I was six 180 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: years old. Um, so I went into the hospital. I 181 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: fell off a house and kind of ruptured some of 182 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: my organs inside, and when I went to the hospital, 183 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 1: he pieced out. So I never saw him again until 184 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: like two years ago when I chased him down. Um. 185 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: Which is the first part of the first chapter of 186 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: my second book where I actually tell that story. So 187 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't grow up really with strong parental units. 188 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: My grandmother stepped in and adopt me for a while. 189 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: My mom disappeared. My grandmother stepped in and became a 190 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: legal guardian for years. UM. So it was a lot 191 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: of bouncing back and forth, um, moving from places, getting evicted. 192 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: But again I say that, and you know, I'm grateful 193 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: for all of my misstepts, which is what this podcast 194 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: is about, you know, the losses. I'm so grateful and 195 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: I have some big ones to share with you, but 196 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for all of that because like, I'm tough, 197 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: I'm resilient, and like there's nothing that I feel now 198 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: that I can't take on and eventually like nothing that 199 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: I can't take on to win. So, uh, you said 200 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: you you your mom, you had shed drug issues, your dad, 201 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: you had limited relationship with what was and he was 202 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: living minutes away for a lot a lot of it. 203 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: Still nothing never saw So I'm once in a store 204 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: and that was it. I remember read that's in the book, right, 205 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: the first book. I haven't read the second book yet. 206 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: So what was your grandmother like? She was great, She 207 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: had a bunch of kids. Her husband had died while 208 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: they were young married, so she raised five kids on 209 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: her own. Basically she was for years what I thought 210 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: a mom should be, very loving. Um, just they're at present, 211 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: which is the biggest thing that you can be with 212 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: someone is just especially a kid. Yeah, so she was present, 213 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, as I get older and 214 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: look back, you know, she is really probably the biggest 215 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: influence on my early life. So you don't have a 216 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: strong mother presence, you don't have a strong father presence. 217 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: But in your book, I know, uh, television was big 218 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: for you, Like you would watch a lot of difference, 219 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: So for like, how did you spend your time? Like, well, 220 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: I with TV was such an important part of my 221 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: life because I never had a bedroom that we were 222 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: in a tiny house and I slept on a couch 223 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: and my closet was underneath the couch. So the four 224 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 1: T shirts I had, her pair of pants I had, 225 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: we just put on the couch and everything was always 226 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: in the living room. So the TV always stayed on, 227 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: and so why I always watched television. So for me, 228 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: I think that's how I kind of fell into David 229 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: Letterman being the guy that I looked to as really 230 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: my first and you know, one of my only mentors, 231 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: even though I never met him. There wasn't like I 232 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: had the resources to reach out to anyone that wanted 233 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: to do what I did. No one did any sort 234 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: of communications or comedy where I came from. And I 235 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: saw David Letterman, who was a weird looking guy, had 236 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: a weird looking delivery, and I thought, Man, if he 237 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: can do it, then why can't I. And I just 238 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: kind of studied and emulated that through my early years. 239 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: And you also said, I remember reading in your book 240 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: that you had, like there's a set of encyclopedias, and 241 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: you would just read, you know, like any because you 242 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: were curious and still are an intellectually curious guy, right, so, 243 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: and you would just read straight through and learn. Well, 244 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: what I would do is I would mow yards and 245 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: rape leaves and save money. And the two things that 246 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: I bought were school clothes and encyclopedias. It's amazing and 247 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: at the at the food for less. But this is 248 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,599 Speaker 1: way before the Internet people, because there's people listening to 249 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: us right now, they're like, what is an encyclopedia? Yeah, 250 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: like it used to It used to be a huge 251 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: deal to be hava Wikipedia on paper. It used to 252 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: be a huge deal to have access to Encyclopedia's right, 253 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: you would go to the library and for me, you 254 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: had to do a school assignment or something you look 255 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: it up and information right, and I would go and 256 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: I would buy encyclopedias with the money that I had saved. 257 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: And I would go and I remember on the front 258 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: side of the grocery store they had encyclopedias. You could 259 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: buy them one at a time, and I'd freaking save 260 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: up and for you know, seven dollars, I would buy eight, 261 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: you know, a L and then I would go and 262 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: get a L to a So how many did you 263 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: end up buying? The well, the whole set, which my 264 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: uh step grandfather later in life ended up building a 265 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: bookcase for them. So they were probably you know, forty 266 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: or so you read those? I probably read them all. Yeah, 267 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: at that point I probably read through all of them 268 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: because it was really the only books that I owned, 269 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 1: where the encyclopedias, and also bought them with my own 270 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: money and anything I bought my own money that I 271 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: was so proud of. Why do you think you were 272 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: so attracted to the idea of the encyclopedia? Have you 273 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: psychoanalyzed yourself? Um? I think that that was my road out, 274 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: and I don't know if I gave you a larger world. 275 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: I just thought if I could educate myself, I could 276 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: go to the places that we're seeing on TV. Like 277 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: I just I knew if I needed to make it, 278 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: I had to get to the places I could see 279 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: on TV, if that was New York or Los Angeles 280 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: or wherever. You know. I thought, for me to do 281 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: what I want to do, I need to be where 282 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: the people are they're doing what I want to do, 283 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: and the way to do that is to read books. 284 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: And I knew I wouldn't be able to afford college. 285 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: So how do you get to college? You get good 286 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: grades that you get great, good grade you learned. So 287 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: I think it was just me even going through the 288 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: steps backward at seven years old. So how were your schools? 289 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: Meaning the education wasn't the best because there were small schools. 290 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: Are the teachers? Again, you can ask about any school 291 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: and not great and me I went to a poor 292 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: public school. Um, I love my teachers looking back, because 293 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: they really did some extra for me because of my 294 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: socio economic situation, Like some of them really sucked our 295 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: next out for me at the times, helped. So in 296 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: that way, they were great. But my education wasn't good 297 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: unless I got got a good education from myself, which 298 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: comes back to reading the encyclopedia, which is reading and studying. 299 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: I'm Clay Travis is the Winds and Lost his podcast 300 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: We're talking with Bobby Bones. Bobby Bones show uh at 301 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: Mr Bobby Bones on Twitter because he can't get the 302 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: guy who has the Bobby Bones Twitter handle too to 303 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: allow him to get it. So, um, you also had 304 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: some crazy injuries as you were growing up. You mentioned 305 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: that when you were six years old you had a 306 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: significant injury and that was the last time you saw 307 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: your dad also had an eye injury. What happened, like 308 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: growing up, you just had some wacky things happened to you, 309 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: Like talking to doctors now because there's a a lot more, 310 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: a lot more is known medically now about what we 311 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: went through then. Yeah, and so in my brain, which 312 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: I thought was an injury, but my right eye doesn't work. 313 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 1: It gets eight percent vision, almost no vision of your 314 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: entire life, my entire life. What they think happened now 315 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: is that when I was, you know, inside of my mom, 316 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: she was doing drugs basically, and so a lot of 317 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: me didn't develop. So my eye just didn't develop. It's 318 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: in my brain. They can't fix my eye, so it's 319 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: it's and they gave you a patch, right, they thought 320 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: they got the crap beat out, and it was terrible, 321 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: like you were a pirate, like a kid, they they 322 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: and then you just said the patch you're not gonna work. 323 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: If you had warned the patch, which your eyesight have 324 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: helped her, probably not. It was like a defeated purpose anyway. Yeah, 325 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: but I was doing what they thought I should do. 326 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: Then can they do anything? Now? Nothing. I've been to 327 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: so many specialists and they go, if you get stem cell, 328 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: you know, we probably do something, But no laser because 329 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: it's not in my eye, it's in my brain, so 330 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: in my brain it doesn't work down to my right eye. 331 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: So that happened. I lived with that. But again, it 332 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: would be like if I had three and you had 333 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: two eyes, and I'm like, I can't believe you don't 334 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: have a third eye. I don't know what it's like 335 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: to have both working eyes. And I was still a 336 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: pretty good ball player two with one eye. So you 337 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: just you learn. And uh, for me, I also fell 338 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: off a house and ruptured a bunch of my organs 339 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: and have my spleen taken out. So but again, you know, 340 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: I I I was so young, it was just kind 341 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: of what I was handed and it was kind of normal. 342 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: It was normal for me. Be sure to catch live 343 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: editions about Kicked the coverage with Clay Travis week days 344 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: at six am Eastern, three am Pacific. When you are 345 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: growing up, like I've read, also you study mentioned sports 346 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: like you idolized your high school football coach. I think 347 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: it was right. I depended on him. Yeah, for a 348 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: lot of things. I think he has instilled a lot 349 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: of the discipline that I still have in me today. 350 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: His name was coach big Gandoff, and with him it 351 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: was they're just there aren't excuses, Like they don't exist 352 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: because they do nothing for you. And if you're working, 353 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: if anything setting you back, you shouldn't let it exist, Like, 354 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: don't let anything pull you back. So it was I 355 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: don't live with excuses ever, even if they're real, legitimate excuses, 356 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: they just don't count with me and my show, with 357 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: my environment, like what can we do to move forward 358 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: instead of talking about why we moved back? So he 359 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: put that mindset into me early, and I think I'm 360 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: a pretty hard worker because I have a lot of 361 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: the values he had still to me too. You mentioned 362 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: watching David Letterman, you also were big sports fan. What 363 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: do you remember growing up in Arkansas? I know Razorbacks. 364 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: We we recently went to go watch the World Series 365 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: game in Omaha. I know you're a huge Arkansas Razorbacks fan. 366 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: What did they mean to you? And how much sports 367 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: did you watch growing up? It was all that we 368 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: have in Arkansas is all that we had, still all 369 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: that we have. Um So, Arkansas is a big deal 370 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: to anyone that comes from the state because you know, 371 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: in Arkansas we have no professional teams that's are you know, 372 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: those are our Dallas Cowboys. So I watched everything. Umt 373 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: of those guys Razorback basketball years were I mean, I 374 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: was young, so I don't think I really appreciated it 375 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: how I should because I was like, oh, this is awesome. 376 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: Will be there every year, you know, we go to 377 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: the championship, we we win the championship, It's like Nolan 378 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: Richardson's gonna be here forever. Forty mints of hell is 379 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: always gonna work. So but then we hit a dry 380 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: spell of almost forever. Uh So I listen, I'm die 381 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: hard everything Arkansas and basketball. And we had a couple 382 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: of good runs in football under Houston Nut. You know, 383 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: the big her with us was Tennessee and start bumbling 384 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: the full its one of the beds, one of the 385 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: last good memory Tennessee football fans have. Trust me, I 386 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: know I am one. And then ninety nine we beat 387 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: you guys, but it didn't matter, like but then it 388 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: mattered to Tennessee because they might have been in the 389 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: title game if they had no loss. That Petrino got 390 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: us close. Yeah, we were a game away. We were 391 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: playing L s U undefeated. Do you remember where you 392 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: were when you heard the Bobby Petrino, you know, like 393 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: wrecked his motory motorcycle scandal story. No, because it wasn't 394 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: that much of a shot to me. Too many friends 395 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: up there that told you that a little bit of happening. Yeah, 396 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: so I was like, I don't remember where I was 397 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: because I was like, well, something was gonna happen. This 398 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: is what they're saying. Would you have kept Petrino? Yeah, 399 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: of course, just because I just want to win, man. 400 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: I think that's how most Arkansas fans are, right. If 401 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: you're not doing anything illegal, you're not hurting kids, do 402 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: not hurt animals. Just win me games. Yeah, it didn't 403 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: affect me to win games. It's always like to ask, um, 404 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: what would Nick Saban have to do for Alabama to 405 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: fire him? And people are like, well, you have to 406 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: commit murder. And I'm like, actually, if it wasn't on tape, 407 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: Alabama fans would be like, you know, this is just 408 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: Auburn fans trying to frame the probably like it was 409 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: totally made up, right, Like we live in this tribal era, 410 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: and I'm kind of comfortable with it in some ways, 411 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: be because I've made my living writing and talking initially 412 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: about SEC football and then it's kind of it's expanded 413 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: in the sports universe before that, but it's the most 414 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: tribal universe there is. So people are like, oh, Republicans 415 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: only believe Republicans now and Democrats only believe are Democrats now? 416 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like, you ever seen Alabama Aubert? You ever 417 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: watched any SEC football rivalry, if you've done sports in 418 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: the South, That's just what SEC football has always been like, right, 419 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: Like there's always conspiracy theories, there's always arguments like you'll 420 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: justify anything that your side does the other side. You know, 421 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: it's total heathens, right, And so I hope we get 422 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: out of that. In the political realm, at some point 423 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: because to me, it's basically just like the sec football 424 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: ization of the country right now. Will Um. But it 425 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: is wild to to follow along. So you go to 426 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: uh high school. You said you kind of have the 427 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: sense that you needed to have good grades in order 428 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: to get into college. Were you a good high school student? Oh, 429 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: that was great, I ad one being typing um. School 430 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: wasn't that hard. So it's one of those things too 431 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: where school is not that hard. How much how are 432 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: you gonna work out? So I did what I did 433 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: in school, but I also had to work full time 434 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: all the time and pay car payment and work maintenance 435 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: at a golf course, which was very early. I worked 436 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: at a marina, I worked a hobby lobby. I waited tables. 437 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: I mean I started a dishwasher. I went to dis 438 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: diswasher bus boy waited tables. What place did you wait 439 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: tables at. It's called the Disoto Club in the Hossprings 440 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: village and it was at tuxedo every night. So you 441 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: talked about how you weren't cognizant of, you know, like 442 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: not having very much at that point, I was, yeah, 443 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: you could, like there's a lot of rich people who 444 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: were coming in and I'm having to wait tables on them. 445 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: How did they treat you? I was really good at 446 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: being a waiter, so you treated me already well. And 447 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: also I was in a tuxedo. He now somebody in tuxedo. 448 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: You gave me fancier than a guy in a tuxedo. 449 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: Did you ever spill anybody or have any disaster? I 450 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: had one in particular. I think it was like a 451 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: six top and I had it all put on one tray, 452 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: which wasn't aggressive move. Maybe in retrospect, yeah, probably wasn't 453 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: the best idea. I've done it before. But I walked 454 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: and I dropped the entire tray on the table. Want 455 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: a guy on the dad of the group, and so 456 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: it was a dad and his kids. It was a dad, 457 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: his two kids, his wife, and then probably one of 458 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: their set of parents. And so I dropped the whole 459 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: tray on him. And this sits with me still today 460 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: as I'm like, oh my god, I'm wiping him down 461 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: and I'm the whole the whole food, it's everything, everything, 462 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: it's everything on the table on him. And I was like, 463 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm done, and I continued to wait on and I 464 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: was like, I'm so sorry. And he left, and he 465 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: left me maybe the biggest tip that I've ever received. 466 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: And he just a note that said, hey man, this 467 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: happens to all of us, Like stay in it, and 468 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: like I remember that you were held at seventeen years old. 469 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: And I mean for people out there listening, it would 470 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: have been easy for that guy to go off on 471 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: you getting pissed. Wanted a free meal, none of it. 472 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: He sat. I think they gave him a T shirt, 473 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: chain shirts. He ate his meal, um, and then left 474 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: a note that was like, hey man, this happens to 475 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: all of us. It's not about out you know, if 476 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: it happens, It's about when it happens and how you 477 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: react to it. And I remember that exact feeling, going huh, 478 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: all right. I probably remember this for a long time, 479 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: and I still do my thirties now, and I can 480 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: still remember looking at the note. So you have all 481 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: these jobs and you're saving up money to try to 482 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: think like I couldn't have money. I was broke, dude, 483 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: So I was buying insurance and car payment and study. 484 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: What I did pay for though, was um a CT 485 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: prep course because I knew is as quickly as I 486 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: could retain information as good. I was it just remembering 487 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 1: things for these tests, and I was. I was good. 488 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: I was captain of the quiz Bowl team in seventh grade, 489 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: of the twelfth grade quiz Bowl team. Yeah, like I was. 490 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: I was in it and I was quick. But still 491 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: I knew that there was a bit of a formula 492 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: to these tests. So I I saved up and I 493 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: went to this a CT prep class at Fountain Like 494 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: High School and I went every day for two weeks 495 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: and so, um, this is probably eight or ninth grade 496 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: when I did this. But I took the test in 497 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: eighth grade and I I gotta score high fin a 498 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: grade to have a full scholarship anywhere. Um, But I 499 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: knew just a scholarship was gonna do it for me. 500 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: I needed to get room, I need to get food 501 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: and get books. And so by the time I finished 502 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: and twelfth grade, I had it all. I had taken 503 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: the test five times and it crushed it. Yeah. So 504 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: then you go to college, layer, I went, well, I 505 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: was going to Arkansas, UM, and I needed a job, 506 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: And about two weeks before I was to move, the 507 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: radio station in my hometown hired me. Had you been 508 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: a radio fan? Yeah? I used to call the radio 509 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: station at thirteen years old and begged to be put 510 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: on the air to talk about any and everything. I 511 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: just to introduced songs. My name was Bobby the Barbarian, 512 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: and I would watch wrestling and the Barbarians, like one 513 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: of my favorite wrestlers was Bobby the Stinger. So you 514 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: would listen. In addition to watching television all the time, 515 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 1: you listen to a lot of radio. Yeah. I just 516 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: wanted to be the person. It wasn't ever about the music. 517 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: It still isn't really about the music to me. Um, 518 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: But I wanted to be the guy that if someone 519 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: was sitting in their car, so I could be like, 520 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: oh man, this isn't so terrible. Like I wanted to entertain. 521 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: And I had started, you know, watching a lot of 522 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: stand up comedians at the library too. So I'd go 523 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: to the library and do the Old Machine and much 524 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: old at Sullivan Tapes and Jack bar Um. So you know, 525 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: I was doing a lot of that, and I would 526 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: call the radio station every night during the countdown and 527 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: try to get on. I just knew I wanted to 528 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: be on in all these different ways, and so um, 529 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: I got a job at the radio station right before 530 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: I was to move off to college, and so I 531 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: switched really quickly to a liberal arts school in South Arkansas, 532 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: Henderson State University, which was about an hour and a 533 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: half away, So I would drive that hour and a 534 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: half every day. What do you think at the time, 535 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: I want to work in radio? Was that your outlet 536 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: to get out of the city, Like, how tough was 537 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: that You're an Arkansas fan to not go to Faytable. 538 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: I loved radio, and I love the idea of the 539 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: rest of my life more than I loved anything else. 540 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: So it wasn't that tough. It sucked because I always 541 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: wanted to go to Arkansas, However, more so I wanted 542 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: to be an entertainment so it really wasn't a hard 543 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: decision for me. So I packed up with to Henderson 544 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: State and I started in radio. And it was never 545 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: about just being in radio. It was just that's just 546 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: the quickest thing I could do. They weren't hiring me 547 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: to be on television when I was seventeen years old, 548 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: so I could get into radio. Later on. I know, 549 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: I enterned a TV stations while doing radio and realized 550 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: this blows, you know, doing TV news. I had no 551 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: interest in that. So radio was the quickest thing, and 552 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: it was also I got the most responsibility the earliest. Yeah, 553 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: you just show up. So how many hours are you 554 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: working in radio while you're going to school? I was 555 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: taking in school about nineteen to twenty hours a semester, 556 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: and I was working full time every night an hour 557 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: and a half away. So I was probably working forty 558 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: five hours a week at the radio station. It was 559 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: I had no life. It's not like I have a 560 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: life now. I know you're listening to fancy Bobby's probably 561 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: doing all the funt listen. I got no live now. 562 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: I work a lot. I work a lot. You work 563 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: all the time. It's inside of me. I'm the same person, 564 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: you know. I think the guts remained the same, and 565 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: I've been wired a certain way to always feel like 566 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: I'm in survival mode. I don't have to survive anymore. 567 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: Like things are going pretty good for me right now, 568 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: but I still feel like every morning I wake up, 569 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: I still feel that way, like I'm just surviving. And 570 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: so how long to take you to graduate the first time? 571 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: Like two and a half years. So you're graduating, you 572 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: got the job, and you're working towards you think working 573 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: full time at the radio station. What's your first job 574 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: when you graduate? Well, I was working full time at 575 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: the radio station. I was, you know, eighteen years old. 576 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: I was doing nights full time. Um, and I had 577 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: taken some college classes in high school and then I 578 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: was just crushing as much as I could when every 579 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 1: times in college. Yeah, but then I had signed a 580 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 1: new contract at my station, so I got another degree. Uh, 581 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: finished there, and I moved to Little Rock, which was 582 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: about another hour away, and I worked at Q one 583 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: hundred doing nights, and I was there for about six months. 584 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: How did you get the job at Q one begged? 585 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: It was just like, hey, guys, like, I'm down in 586 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: Hot Springs. I don't know. I know, you don't know 587 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: who I am. But my dream was to live in 588 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,479 Speaker 1: a big city. And for me, I was like, are 589 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: you kidding? I get to go where they have tall 590 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: buildings and freaking ned Permy, the the Channel seven weather man. 591 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: That was the coolest thing to me. So I go 592 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: to Little Rock for about six months, and that's really 593 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: where I had my first major career set back and 594 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: got into a lot of trouble. And and that would happen, 595 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: you know, four or five months into my stay in 596 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: Little Rock. Okay, So, uh, you go to Little Rock, 597 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: what do you do to get to get you any trouble? Well, 598 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: we were up against another top four radio station, and 599 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: it's weird that people now just consider me the country guy, 600 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: which I am now and I love it and I've 601 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: chosen to come over in this format. But for most 602 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: of my career I did hip hop and pop because 603 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: that was just the first place that would accept me. 604 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: And I also knew that people didn't care about what 605 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: kind of music like there there's not such thing as 606 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: a format in people's minds. So I was like, just 607 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: put me somewhere, you know, I'll be good wherever you 608 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: put me. So I go over and I'm doing a 609 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: pop station against another pop station and they can rock 610 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: Arkansas radio battles, which if you which is which is 611 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: the big deal? Then? Man, for people out there who 612 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: are listening, they may think, oh, this is crazy. But 613 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: if you're in radio like radio rating competitions is a 614 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: big deal in those markets rights where advertising dollars come in. 615 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: It's what whether or not you're a success, Like you 616 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: get defined by the ratings book no matter what city 617 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: you're in based on who you're competing against right now 618 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: you live and die by can I get a four 619 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: and a half share in Irock? And so we were 620 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: up against station called Alice, one of seven point seven, 621 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: and my stunt guy, my guy that I would send 622 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: out to the streets, would go and they put stickers 623 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: all over our van. Was like, that's not cool. So 624 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: I called my guy back and I said, Hey, we're 625 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: gonna go over. We're gonna burn the place down. And 626 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: he's like, what do you mean. I said, well, just 627 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: hang out because after our show we're going over that 628 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: to that building. And so we got off the air. Yeah, 629 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,239 Speaker 1: against the other night. So I got off there at 630 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: ten PM, and I knew that night show didn't get 631 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: off the year until eleven. So they had a brand 632 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: new country station they had turned on. So I dressed out. 633 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: My son got like a cowboy, and I drove him 634 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: over and I said, hey, you're to go up to 635 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: the beat on the window and say hey, you're new 636 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: to the country station. He dressed like a cowboy. How 637 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: are they gonna say no and tell them that you 638 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: need to be letting the year? By the way, this 639 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 1: would have been Wright two thousand two, Justin Guarini and 640 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson were fighting it out in the finale of 641 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: American Idols right around that time. So he goes up 642 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: to the to the window and beats on it and 643 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: they they I see him talking outside my car, and 644 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: he goes, okay. They let him in, and I'm like, 645 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: oh boy, it's about to be on. And so what 646 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: I had done is I had trained him in my 647 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: studio and how to run aboard based on the pictures 648 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: of their control room that was up on their website. 649 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 1: So we looked at all the pictures of the st 650 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: and this is how you turn the phone up. I 651 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: gave him a class and how to run their board 652 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: because they had posted basically the blueprints of their radio 653 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 1: station on their website. So he gets into the building 654 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: and he goes and he stands on a toilet for 655 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: uh probably forty five minutes or the hours, so no 656 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: one sees extra feet in the building. He hangs out 657 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: and he goes, all right, everybody's gone. I watched the 658 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: night guy that whose team would come out, hits me, 659 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: hey man man, all right, cool. So the night guy 660 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: drives out. There's only no one left in the building. 661 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: So I showed him. He goes, I'm going in. He 662 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: walks into the studio and they're playing like I remember 663 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: the song that was on. It was a freaking Celine 664 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: Dion song. And he calls me from the cell phone 665 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: from the actually he calls my cell phone from the 666 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: inside of the studio and I see the alice one 667 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: of seven point seven request line pop up my phone. 668 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, we're in and we're so 669 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: far in. I'm about to be fired from all the 670 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: radio or be the king dangling of radio. One of 671 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: the two is about to have it. And so I 672 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: picked up the phone like hey, he goes, a man, 673 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: it's Gill again. I'm in. And so I showed him 674 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: how to turn the phone up over the air and 675 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: how to pull the music down halfway, because if you 676 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: pull it out all the way, an engineering alarm will 677 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: go off and they'll go we're off the air, and 678 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: the engineers will come up. So he turns it down 679 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: about halfway and he turns my phone up and he goes, 680 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: all right, you're on. And I waited for him to 681 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: walk out of the building and get in the car 682 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: locked the studio door on the way out, so no 683 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: one could get in, and we drove around little broadcasting 684 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: on their station for probably thirty minutes, and I remember 685 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: grabbing the phone and going, all right, you want to 686 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: mess with me, this is Bobby Bones. This is the 687 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: last time you will ever mess with me. And we 688 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: went for a while until someone unlocked the studio got 689 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: in and shut it down, and we thought we were 690 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: then we were gonna be legends in radio, and we went. 691 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: I remember going to a waffle house that night. We're 692 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: having a little celebration like f them. And I got 693 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: a call at eight o'clock the next morning and it 694 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: was my general managers. I need to see you immediately. 695 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: No one calls the night guy at eight in the 696 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: morning to go to bed until three. So I get 697 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: up and I walked into the room and he says, okay, 698 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: And I remember the sales office was right by all 699 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: of excuse yeah, the sales officer was next to the 700 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: general manager office. And he calls me into his room 701 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: and he leaves the door open. He's screaming at me, 702 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: spits coming out of his mouth, and he's like, that's 703 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: the dumbest thing. That's an FCC violation. Uh, I should 704 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: fire you, right now, and I remember thinking, God, everyone 705 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: can hear this because he left the door open, and 706 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: he says shut the door, and I'm like, holy cow, 707 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: if he's gonna do this with the door open, what's 708 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: he about to do to me with the door shut? 709 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: And he shuts the door and he takes his right 710 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: arm and sticks out and goes, dude, that was awesome. 711 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: He goes, if you ever do that again, I have 712 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: to fire you. But I've never heard of anything like 713 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: that before. So all the trade magazines and radio start 714 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: to write about this twenty two year old kid who 715 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: had done guerilla radio. Austin, Texas calls me and goes, 716 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: you should come do nights here. And so I'd never 717 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: been to Austin, packed out my car and six months 718 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: after he started, six months and packed up my car 719 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: and just drove down. So, uh, where'd you come up 720 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: with the idea? I don't think. It wasn't anything. When 721 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: I sat down in went beautiful mind, it was just 722 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: how can I get back at him? Um? When you 723 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: when you got the call of eight, did you think 724 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: you were getting fired? I was just no, I was like, 725 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: what is that? I didn't I didn't know what was 726 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: going on. It was so early in the morning. No, 727 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: I actually thought that no one knew. I guess I 728 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: thought that somewhere there's a tape. Yeah, I haven't heard it, 729 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: but there are a couple of tapes I'm searching for. 730 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: We used to prank call in college one or three 731 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: seven the Buzzs the sports station, and there was like 732 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: seven of us and we would get back to back 733 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: to back. Our goal was to go four deep and 734 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: they shut down. They shut down taking calls for like 735 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: a week one time, which Frank like, what would your 736 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: when you call it sports stalk radio. Well, we'd see 737 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: howny times. We can say penis sometimes. So we would 738 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: get on and it'd be like, hey, I just want 739 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: to say, uh man, can you believe I can't believe 740 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: Danny Tardable isn't regarded it's one of the p and 741 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: so we'd really string them along and finally once they 742 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: remember Randy Rainwater, who's still on the air there. I 743 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: think I'm one or three seven the buzz he uh, 744 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: he said, we're not taking calls anymore. The only way 745 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: we'll take your calls if we call you back. And 746 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: one of my buddies who just had all the all 747 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: the nerve in the world. He said, Okay, we need 748 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: your number. We're gonna call you back and make sure 749 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: it's acceptable put you on the air, because I guess 750 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: that they thought if they had your number, it's not 751 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: illegal to prank caller anything. And so my buddys like, 752 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: all right, here's my number, gives him the number. He 753 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: calls him back and they're like, all right, let's go 754 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: to Chris. Chris, what do you want to say, Penis? 755 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: We thought that was the most baller move. He gave 756 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: them their number and still got Penis on the air. 757 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: But there's that tape exists somewhere too. Those are the 758 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: two tapes that that's somewhere inside of my my collection 759 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: of of sound that that I gotta find and I 760 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: don't want to lose. So you Little Rock was the 761 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: big city? What what did Austin feel like? I drove 762 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: down the first day and saw the capital and was like, 763 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: holy crap, this is double the size a little Rock. It. 764 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: I couldn't comprehend. Really, there are a million people to 765 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: live there. It was just like, this is nutty. And 766 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: I moved that there to do nights, and I only 767 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: did nights for six months before almost got fired again. 768 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: We did a bit where I said, Hey, I'm about 769 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: to come on the air and look for backup dancers 770 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,719 Speaker 1: for justin timber Lake, but it's not gonna be real, 771 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: so if you guys can play along with it, that 772 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: be cool. I was just very transparent about what I 773 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: was doing pre but I know that ten minutes later 774 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people are gonna be listening that weren't 775 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: listening then, So it really wasn't even that good of 776 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: a bit. But girls lined The whole point was girls, 777 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: girls lined up around the building trying to be in 778 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: this justin Timberlake video, and then we put them all 779 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: up online and we just said and then we got sued. 780 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: I got sued. What was the end result? Um? We 781 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: ended up settling for like a thousand dollars? Yeah? Why 782 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: what was the lawsuit based on that? We put the 783 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: girls picture on the internet without permission? But they were 784 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: lined up thinking they were going to be in a 785 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: video with justin timber Lake where everybody's watching them. The 786 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: whole thing was down. They were down, I was down. 787 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,479 Speaker 1: The whole thing was done. So six did you get 788 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: my trouble for that? I got in trouble of hey, 789 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: if you do anything else again, we have to fire 790 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: you if you get to get a sued like this. 791 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: But right after that, I got an offer to go 792 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: to Seattle and New Nights and I was like, hey, 793 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: I need to go. I don't have a contract here 794 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: in Austin. I love it here, but I just got 795 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: here and they were like, well, what can we do 796 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: to keep you? And I said well, and I was 797 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: twenty two three. I was like, wow, I would love 798 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: to do mornings because I believe just shoot for the 799 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: freaking stars. And I thought they'd come back and go, 800 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: we'll give you more money, but we can't give you mornings. 801 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: But the station was doing so bad they said, okay, sure, 802 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: we'll give you mornings. And they offered me fifty thousand 803 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: allars a year. And I was like, I'm the richest 804 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: human ever in the history of life, because you're thinking 805 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: that I've been in that scenario. When I started practicing law, 806 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: I was making sixty three thousand dollars and I was like, 807 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: this is more than my parents ever made. I was like, 808 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: I do with dollars. I didn't know what to do 809 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: with all my money. I had so much money and 810 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: I had a dirt ball apartment and I paid it. 811 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: It was just life was great, and I was doing 812 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: mornings about about myself. Um and I ended up hiring 813 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: you know people, because I didn't they didn't give any 814 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: money for the show, so I hired a bunch of 815 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,959 Speaker 1: friends and we kind of started out. I was twenty 816 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: three years old doing mornings in Austin, Texas. Fox Sports 817 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. 818 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 1: Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot 819 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: com and within the I Heart Radio app. Search f 820 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: s R to listen live talking to Bobby Bones. I'm 821 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: Clay Traviss the Wins and Losses podcast. How how many 822 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: hours they were you on in Austin? Five? I was 823 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,479 Speaker 1: on five to ten, five ten, A lot of music though, 824 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: um so, I was probably playing seven right songs an 825 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: hour then. And I was doing it by myself, and 826 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: they were giving me no support, no money, but they 827 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: weren't supposed to. They never promised me anything. I just 828 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: kind of had to figure it out. Um but but 829 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: I knew that this was my thing. And how long 830 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: how long did you do mornings in Austin? Oh, twelve years? 831 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: And you're and but as As the show grows, you 832 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 1: add a lot more people and it turns into I mean, 833 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: you have a dominant radio show in Austin, right, Well, yes, 834 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: So what happened was I had been on for a 835 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: couple of years and I found Amy my coast at 836 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 1: the Culver's just randomly found Lunchbox. He was delivering sandwiches 837 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: at Jason's Delhi. I had no money, so I had 838 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: to go and I would have hired radio people. I 839 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: think I get a lot of credit for coming up 840 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: with this new approach to radi people from outside of 841 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: the world and expense. I just had no money or 842 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: I would have hired radio people. They gave me nothing, 843 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: so Lunchbox don't have a microphone. For the first year 844 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: he worked on the show, and we were on and 845 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: we were struggling for about a year or so until 846 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: Lunchbox got put in jail, which was really here. What 847 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: happened there there was I was watching PBS and this 848 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: guy had panty hose on his head and he was 849 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: going up to ladies like good. It was like a 850 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,280 Speaker 1: black and white movie, and I thought, that's funny. Panty 851 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: Hose over the face are never not funny. If I 852 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: see somebody with an how I laugh, And so I said, 853 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: lunchbox into a store and he went with panty hose 854 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: on his head and they just bought some gum and left. 855 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: That was it. And I was like, let's just see 856 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: how they react. Well how they reacted was the guy 857 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: hit the alarm under the tables. He thought he was 858 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: being robbed, and the cops held him at gunpoint, put 859 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: him on the ground. Um, it's just live on the 860 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 1: radio that you had him in going to do panty 861 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 1: hose on it was on the air. Yeah, And I 862 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: remember lest I was going, probably not the smartest thing, 863 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: and I'm like, trust me, I'm the radio profession I'm 864 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: making a year. And so he went to jail and 865 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: I remember, I'm calling me from jail. They tried to 866 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: arrest me, but then they went, well we don't have 867 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 1: anything we get you on. So they all the cops 868 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: showed up at the station. I was suspended for weeks 869 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: with no pay, and never know long. I think in 870 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: the end, like two and a half weeks. How long 871 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: did that seem to you at that time, like two 872 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: and a a half years. And I thought, up there, you 873 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: thought your careers over. I'm done I'm like, this is 874 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: the third time. I'm done, Like, I mean, lives does 875 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: this cat get so? But we came back, and we 876 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: came back. We were number one. We never stopped being 877 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: number one. And you think it was because of that 878 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,720 Speaker 1: the newspaper, the media, like the new the local news. 879 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: Everybody's covering it, right, everyone's covering and every other radio 880 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: show we're like, we told you these guys sucked and 881 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: this like and they were talking about because they thought 882 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: we weren't coming back. And when we came back, everyone 883 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: was dialed in to see one what we'd say to 884 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: what were we doing? What did you say? What was 885 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: the first thing you said when you came back on? 886 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: I came on and they really made me say nothing. 887 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: They made me say nothing because legally, and they charged 888 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,320 Speaker 1: him a terroristic threatening It was the whole thing. He 889 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: couldn't fly for a bit without this was like what 890 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: year two thousand four, I mean he had that's actually 891 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: really making terroristic threats and everything else is ugly. We 892 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: had to hire George W. Bush's attorney because were lost 893 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: and it was a whole it's a mess. And then 894 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: it seemed like the end of the world. But I 895 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 1: came on and I was like, hey, listen, I'm all 896 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: right the person who worked at the counter because he 897 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,720 Speaker 1: probably thinks about to get shot, Like, I'm I didn't 898 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: mean to do that, um, And I was like, I 899 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: made a brially bone head decision, but we're back, and 900 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: I hope you'll let us, you know, be your morning show. 901 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: And I probably should have been a little more apologetic 902 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: than I was, but I didn't really know what I 903 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: did wrong. And also, let's talk about your age a right, 904 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 1: when I was younger years old and twenty four year old, 905 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: guys running a six million dollar radio stations are not 906 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,839 Speaker 1: known for their like intelligent long range decision making, right. 907 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: I was just trying to get to the ratings next month. 908 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 1: That was my goal every month was how good can 909 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: I make these ratings next month? Right? I never saw 910 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: it past thirty days, So twelve years and you eventually 911 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: end up your number one for those twelve years after 912 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,399 Speaker 1: that stunt? Um, How tough is it then, because because 913 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: I've had to make some of these decisions too, I 914 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: still live in Nashville. But it's a good look for 915 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,439 Speaker 1: you out there who don't know. It's a damn good 916 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: living to have a really successful local radio show in 917 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: a city you love. I mean, there's a reason why 918 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,359 Speaker 1: some people will do that for like thirty or forty years. Right, 919 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: They've become institutions, almost like local news. I'm assuming it's 920 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: kind of the same way. Like you mentioned that local 921 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 1: weather man for a little rock. There's a lot of 922 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: people in Nashville. I'm born and raised here who've been 923 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 1: doing what local news here my entire life. Like Bob Mueller, 924 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 1: he looks the exact same now that he did when 925 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: I was five, right, and I'm forty now. So I mean, 926 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: some of these guys become institutions. You could have continued, 927 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: had a great life, lived in Austin for the rest 928 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,959 Speaker 1: of your life. What is it about that that, after 929 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: twelve years of ratings dominance there, you're like, I need 930 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: something new. Well, when I was I think twenty six 931 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: years old, I started to get the itch of spreading 932 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: my show, and I knew that no one would take 933 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: a show from Austin because you gotta be in l 934 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: a in New York probably not even Chicago doesn't do 935 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 1: it that often, right, And so I went and I 936 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,240 Speaker 1: bought this thing called a comrax that really wasn't used 937 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: for long form transmission at the time, and I thought, well, 938 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: if this will work for seven miles, why won't it 939 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: work for three d And so I bought one and 940 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: I saw, okay, well if I do like three stacked 941 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: on each other, I can really make this thing go. 942 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: So I begged the station in which Talk Kansas to 943 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: take me as their only affiliate. They're only there only 944 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: this morning show. They're only my only affiliate, and so 945 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: we went number one there in a year. I was 946 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: twenty years old. I was like, oh, I can do this. Now, 947 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: I'm on an Austin, I'm winning. I'm on a which 948 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: Tom winning how because they just fired their morning show. 949 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 1: I was watching the news and I actually went after 950 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: seven or eight stations and talk to general managers like 951 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: I will pay for everything. I was making fifty a 952 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: year and I was paying for phone lines, which are 953 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: about five grand. I was brought in the producer, I 954 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: was paying his paying about twenty grand. I was probably 955 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: making about nine thousand dollars a year after all are out. 956 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: So but you were thinking bigger, like hey, this is 957 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: eventually like I want to get my audience as big 958 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: as possible station and Amarillo took me, station Lubbock took me, 959 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm on three stations. I was 960 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: then breaking even and Rod Phillips, who now runs on 961 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: Her Country, came and said, hey, we think you're pretty 962 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,839 Speaker 1: good and you're on a four stations. We don't even know, 963 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: so let's start pushing you around to other stations. So 964 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: I built my own syndication company while in Austin, and 965 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 1: I was probably twenty seven or something. That happened. And 966 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: so as the show continue to grow in Austin, I 967 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 1: was hustling affiliates, flying all over the places, begging people 968 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: to put me on their stations. How did uh? So 969 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: you said you just would look and see when there 970 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: was availability. Because your show for people out there who 971 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 1: don't understand the business, the idea is they get your 972 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: local show. Uh. They don't have to pay anything for it. 973 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,760 Speaker 1: They can sell ads against it if you rate decently, 974 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't understand the business of 975 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: how we do what we do. But you, already, even 976 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: at a young age, were sophisticated enough to understand the 977 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,240 Speaker 1: business that you were in and to be thinking about 978 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: replicating what worked in Austin into other markets. And I 979 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: knew not to keep it super local while still being 980 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: local at the times I needed to be. You know, 981 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: it was a lot of that. And yeah, they got 982 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 1: the show for free, so that was the benefit, Like, 983 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: I will cover everything that you need to be to 984 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 1: save money in your bottom line, just sell it and 985 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: we'll do a privit share. And so I was making 986 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 1: a pretty good money back into the morning show. So 987 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: I think we have filiates and I was running it 988 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: all myself. We had a room full of just these 989 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 1: stupid boxes and they would break down. We have three 990 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: affiliates go down sometimes too. We get calls going, hey, 991 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: we're we're down in St. Louis and so. But we 992 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: managed and eventually Clear Channel, which is now I our radio, 993 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: was like, hey, we just let us just buy most 994 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: of your show back from you and you can run 995 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: on the satellite. And that happened to Pop, and so 996 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: I signed a new deal over a Pop and I 997 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I'm gonna live in Austin for the 998 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: rest of my life and just indicate my show. I 999 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 1: was making really good money. I was still in my 1000 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 1: twenties and I remember telling a girl I was dating, 1001 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: like I think I'm here and I'm good with it 1002 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: for the first time, and like that's when two weeks 1003 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,840 Speaker 1: later it was Nashville and they said, we want you 1004 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: to come to Nashville and we want you to go country. 1005 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: Not really, they tricked me first. They said, we want 1006 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: you to pick up the Nashville affiliate for your POP show. 1007 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: Come out and talk to the general manager. So I 1008 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 1: came out and I noticed that like Tim mcgrawl was 1009 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: saying hello to me, and Lady and Abella was hanging 1010 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: out with me, and I was like, what is happening here. 1011 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: They're the nicest people to all these to us pop DJs. 1012 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: And they cornered me in a room. It's said, hey, UM, 1013 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: we're offering you like three jobs. They offered me head 1014 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: of Alternative UM run Country. I could have stayed and 1015 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 1: done pop, or to take UM an afternoon sports show, 1016 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: National sports show. So they said, here are your options, 1017 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: which would you like to take? And I was like, well, 1018 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: if there had never been a National country show, and 1019 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 1: I knew I wasn't gonna change, I didn't need to change. 1020 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,600 Speaker 1: I was getting in trouble at Pop for putting on 1021 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: Dirk Spentley and Willie Nelson and a lot of these 1022 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: hip hop guys going, why are you putting country artists on? 1023 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: So for me, it was tough to kind of basically 1024 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 1: sell my company that I built. Um, but I said, okay, 1025 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: I'll just I'll move to Nashville. I remember calling my 1026 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: girlfriend at the time, going, hey, they've offered me this job. 1027 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 1: What do you think I should do? And she was like, man, 1028 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 1: you have to move. But she also knew I had 1029 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: to break up with her as very selfless of her. 1030 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: Is tough. But yeah, I moved to Nashville and they 1031 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: hated me. Here we're talking to Bobby Bones wins and losses. 1032 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: I'm Clay Travis. So that's tough, right. So for people 1033 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: out there, one of the things I like to focus 1034 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,520 Speaker 1: on is when you have success, it's great, but success 1035 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: can also be like golden handcuffs, comfortable as the enemy 1036 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,799 Speaker 1: because you get used to what you're doing and you 1037 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: think you could continue to do it for a long time. 1038 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: You're dominating in Austin, You've built a good business, and 1039 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 1: then they were like, hey, let's try something completely different. 1040 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: You come here and I'm dominating in like twenty cities. 1041 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: It's not even just awesome like I had a thing going. 1042 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: I have a real mark, and but I just saw 1043 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 1: that I could actually instead of a mark, like I 1044 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 1: just put a freaking footprint into a whole format that 1045 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 1: I used to really love. Wasn't into it then because 1046 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 1: I was so inside of my year. Uh what are we? So? 1047 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: You make the decision to come here, and what happens 1048 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 1: when you start? Everybody hated me? Why did they hate you? 1049 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 1: Because I stood for everything they didn't. And by that way, 1050 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,840 Speaker 1: I didn't where a cowboy had and where cowboy boots. 1051 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 1: I didn't care. I didn't uh bow down to the 1052 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,760 Speaker 1: radio tours, there was no I didn't meet with labels, 1053 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: I didn't talk to artists. I didn't go to social 1054 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 1: events like I was anti. I wasn't anti everything. I 1055 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 1: just wasn't pro the things that we're doing here. So 1056 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,720 Speaker 1: they just saw that as someone come to buck the system. 1057 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 1: And I wasn't bucking the system. I was just doing me. 1058 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 1: I Also part of it two was I replaced a 1059 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: lot of poorly performing local morning shows, and people just 1060 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: saw me as the guy coming in to take all 1061 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:13,799 Speaker 1: the local morning shows off, which I did. I didn't 1062 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 1: replace everybody if the shows weren't doing well. They put 1063 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 1: our show on UM and so it was a lot 1064 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,319 Speaker 1: of negativity from the end. Even some of my people 1065 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 1: that aren't working in the company now weren't in on it. 1066 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: They didn't want me to come in. So even from 1067 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 1: inside it was a little rough at time. How long 1068 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,880 Speaker 1: did it take? How long did that negativity last? Today? 1069 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 1: I mean how much? And how and And this is 1070 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 1: always something that fascinates me to how do you deal 1071 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 1: and cope with negativity? Because you said you've been through 1072 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: so much negative stuff in your childhood, Uh that you know, 1073 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 1: your skin is pretty tough, right, but it's still tough 1074 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 1: to have people ripping you. I'm resilient, but that doesn't 1075 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: mean I can't feel it for a second. So I 1076 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,399 Speaker 1: have thick skin. As far as long term, I'm going 1077 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 1: to be all right. But we couldn't even look at 1078 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: social media for a year. I wouldn't let my show 1079 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,319 Speaker 1: look at anything. Everyone hated as it felt like that 1080 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,839 Speaker 1: we had terrible ratings obviously UM And I remember thinking 1081 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 1: to myself, well, I've got to do something big to 1082 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,760 Speaker 1: flip this, which always gets me in trouble. It's never 1083 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: done well for me to go it has in the end, 1084 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: it's always been, you know, uh, a bit of an 1085 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: issue for my bosses. When I go, I gotta do 1086 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,080 Speaker 1: something big. And so I remember sitting. I moved to Brentwood, 1087 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,879 Speaker 1: which is a suburb of Nashville, and I moved down. 1088 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 1: I had so many uh like physical threats and I 1089 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,880 Speaker 1: got jumped and about them. I got a gun to 1090 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: my head and little Rock, I've been death threat multiple 1091 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,320 Speaker 1: times that in my contract, you have to be in 1092 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,800 Speaker 1: a place that is surrounded by X amount of security, 1093 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,759 Speaker 1: either gates or codes, because their insurance on me is 1094 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,320 Speaker 1: super high. So I was living in Brentwood. I was 1095 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: there for like two weeks in a dude murders his 1096 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 1: wife and is running around in front of my house 1097 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,759 Speaker 1: with a gun. Story which never happens by the way, 1098 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: like you know, five murders in the last fifty years, 1099 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 1: right yeah, And I'm like what so I'm still there 1100 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 1: going I gotta flip this around. This The whole vibe 1101 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,799 Speaker 1: is not good for me. And I remember watching a 1102 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: story on A thirty for thirty for Brian Bosworth, and 1103 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,800 Speaker 1: Brian Bosworth would would at away games sell shirts and 1104 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,359 Speaker 1: said I hate Brian Bosworth and I was like, God, 1105 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,959 Speaker 1: that's awesome, it's funny. And so I said, I gotta 1106 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,720 Speaker 1: do something like that, and so I created a shell company, 1107 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 1: like a fake LLC and ran it through. I studied 1108 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:22,880 Speaker 1: on the internet how to do it so you couldn't 1109 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,319 Speaker 1: really track it, which is so easy. By the way, 1110 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,440 Speaker 1: it's so easy to buy to buy things and not 1111 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,680 Speaker 1: have people know who you are. Everybody's doing it. It's 1112 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 1: so I go, okay, I buy three billboards in Nashville, humongous, 1113 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,880 Speaker 1: the biggest billboards in downtow Nashville, for almost thirteen dollars, 1114 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 1: and they just say, go away, Bobby Bones, and that's it, 1115 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 1: just black letters, go away by my show. Didn't know 1116 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,359 Speaker 1: my work, didn't know, nobody knew. All that everyone would 1117 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 1: say was, man, who is it? Which artist hates you? 1118 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 1: Which record label hate you? Because it could have been 1119 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 1: any of them. Because it was so wide, everyone was 1120 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 1: picking their own people. Wasn't another radio company, And I 1121 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,959 Speaker 1: just was like, I don't know. Never never, I never 1122 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 1: lied about it. I would just always go, I don't know, 1123 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 1: and I don't want to talk about it because it's 1124 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:09,080 Speaker 1: affecting me. And so that was a big turning point 1125 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: because people either didn't know who I was and checked 1126 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 1: it out. I felt sorry for me because someone was 1127 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,480 Speaker 1: attacking me or agreed with it and just hated and 1128 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 1: wanted to see how I was reacting. And my thing is, 1129 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,120 Speaker 1: if I can always just get people to me, I 1130 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 1: feel like I can get them because I'm not doing 1131 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,239 Speaker 1: anything to piss people off, not really have opinions, but 1132 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:25,960 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that your opinions wrong just 1133 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,919 Speaker 1: because mine is right. It's I'm not that kind of guy. 1134 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 1: And so um, that was a big flip for us 1135 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,359 Speaker 1: because about oh the News was covering it. I mean 1136 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:41,040 Speaker 1: dollars and you created three thousand dollars worth of advertising easily. 1137 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 1: And until I wrote about it my first book, no 1138 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,200 Speaker 1: one knew it was me. And I remember writing the 1139 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,840 Speaker 1: book and sending a galley out to the Washington Post, 1140 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,279 Speaker 1: which is a version of the book that's pretty much 1141 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,719 Speaker 1: finished but not all the way but they can read 1142 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,920 Speaker 1: it to review it, and that's the story they ran with, 1143 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,920 Speaker 1: and they were like, Bobby Bones put up his own billboards, 1144 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 1: and the whole town was like what and people some 1145 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,400 Speaker 1: people felt deceived. At that point, people kind of understood 1146 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,080 Speaker 1: who I was and they kind of got me, and 1147 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 1: they were like ah, typical, but yeah, that was a 1148 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,200 Speaker 1: that was a big moment for me and turning people 1149 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,839 Speaker 1: at least to me to give me a shot, not 1150 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 1: to love me, but just to give me a shot. 1151 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,920 Speaker 1: What about artists? Were there any artists that liked you 1152 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,240 Speaker 1: early and started to because now you can get pretty 1153 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,239 Speaker 1: much anybody, and I'm sure they begged to come in 1154 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,360 Speaker 1: and be able to perform in your studio now, But 1155 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,400 Speaker 1: early on, was there somebody that you met or a 1156 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 1: couple of people who you met that were like, I 1157 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,960 Speaker 1: really like this guy and it started to have an impact. 1158 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,160 Speaker 1: Brad Paisley was really cool with me outside of the show. 1159 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,399 Speaker 1: He was like, hey, man, I'm different, You're different. People 1160 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,920 Speaker 1: are gonna like you. It's just how it goes. You 1161 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,400 Speaker 1: gotta you just gotta win them. Um. But a lot 1162 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,760 Speaker 1: of artists were scared because I didn't do the interview 1163 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,279 Speaker 1: where it's like, okay, tell me what you'd like me 1164 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,040 Speaker 1: to ask you, which it was traditional for this format, 1165 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,959 Speaker 1: like let me safely walk you in, ask you your influences, 1166 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,279 Speaker 1: and play your song and then get out. Um. I 1167 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 1: was like, I'd love to have you, but I don't 1168 00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:57,840 Speaker 1: know what kind of mood I'm gonna be in so 1169 00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,799 Speaker 1: let's just see what happens. It'll be good for both 1170 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 1: of it. And so I think a lot of artists 1171 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,439 Speaker 1: they didn't not like me, but they were scared of 1172 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,920 Speaker 1: just a different environment. And it was again, it was 1173 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,440 Speaker 1: rough for a year and a half or so until 1174 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,879 Speaker 1: they kind of understood that I was more like them, 1175 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,920 Speaker 1: that I was a radio announcer because I'm a writer, 1176 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,719 Speaker 1: because I'm a comedian, because and so they're like, oh, 1177 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,160 Speaker 1: he kind of gets the creative part of it. And 1178 00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,200 Speaker 1: now you know. We We did market research, UM, which 1179 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,080 Speaker 1: we get all the time, and I'm not a big 1180 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,359 Speaker 1: subscriber to everything. I don't think you take everything from research, 1181 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 1: but there are always pieces of things that you can 1182 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,759 Speaker 1: do better. But they also evaluate things that you do 1183 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,080 Speaker 1: well and things you don't do. And we were always 1184 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 1: told don't put interviews on the air because in the 1185 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,279 Speaker 1: current ratings landscape they're not good and people will just 1186 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,000 Speaker 1: turn it off. I just didn't believe that, so I 1187 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 1: put people on long form. They would play acoustically on 1188 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,319 Speaker 1: the show, and for a national show, that was kind 1189 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,520 Speaker 1: of a risk. But we saw through research and ratings 1190 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,239 Speaker 1: that UM people felt like the artists treated me as 1191 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,839 Speaker 1: more of an artist then when they went into other 1192 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,399 Speaker 1: shows than they were being interviewed. So things start going well. Um, now, 1193 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,319 Speaker 1: I mean they're going incredibly well. You're also on the 1194 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,080 Speaker 1: road touring. You mentioned that we started. I'm Clay Travis 1195 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 1: is the Wins and Losses podcast. We're talking with Bobby Bones. 1196 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,799 Speaker 1: Um when you start? When did you start going on 1197 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,040 Speaker 1: the road regularly and performing on the weekend. Well, I 1198 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,600 Speaker 1: really started when I was about nineteen. I would just 1199 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,400 Speaker 1: beg to be put up at clubs and host shows. 1200 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,040 Speaker 1: I'd be like, just let me do three minutes at 1201 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,560 Speaker 1: the beginning, and I'll go in between comedians. Because I 1202 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,480 Speaker 1: just thought that if I was gonna do a late 1203 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,120 Speaker 1: night talk show or a talk show at any point, 1204 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,759 Speaker 1: I needed to be comfortable on stage. And I wasn't 1205 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,239 Speaker 1: particularly good at writing jokes, and I wasn't doing it 1206 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,799 Speaker 1: enough to get good at doing stand up comedy. But 1207 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,000 Speaker 1: I just wanted to get some sort of comfort in 1208 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 1: a really uncomfortable place. So I started doing it then. 1209 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,279 Speaker 1: And I had this bit where I had a band 1210 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,360 Speaker 1: I was supposed to play with me called the Raging Idiots, 1211 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:48,960 Speaker 1: and they never showed up ever. In the history of 1212 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,759 Speaker 1: my bit. They never showed up. I was like, I'm 1213 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,359 Speaker 1: went ready for the radio. I guess they're not gonna 1214 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,359 Speaker 1: show up. I'll just play something. And so it turned 1215 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,480 Speaker 1: into Bobby Bones and the Raging Idiots, and so Eddie 1216 00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:58,960 Speaker 1: my my partner, and I would go out and do 1217 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,439 Speaker 1: shows and I would just do stand up for twenty 1218 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,240 Speaker 1: minutes and open. I didn't have money to pay an opener, 1219 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,080 Speaker 1: so I would open doing stand up. So we um 1220 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,879 Speaker 1: we did an Austin a little bit, and we got here. 1221 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,240 Speaker 1: We thought, well, if we could raise some money for 1222 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,200 Speaker 1: animal shelters and for St. Jude, that'd be cool, and 1223 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,000 Speaker 1: we'll go out and see if people like what we're doing. 1224 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,000 Speaker 1: We're just doing a dope parodies playing restaurants for fifty people. 1225 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,480 Speaker 1: Well fifty people turned into seventy and I started to go, well, 1226 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,880 Speaker 1: I can kind of market this thing into success and 1227 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,239 Speaker 1: just say every show sold that it was. There were 1228 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,359 Speaker 1: like people, but it was like you can't even get in. 1229 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,759 Speaker 1: So by doing that, people would go, I need to 1230 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:31,880 Speaker 1: get in. If you're telling me I can't get it, 1231 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,600 Speaker 1: I need to get in. So two hundred five hundred, 1232 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,440 Speaker 1: you know, now we we hit a million dollars, and 1233 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:39,879 Speaker 1: we said, if we hit a million dollars for charity, 1234 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna go and pursue a record deal for you know, 1235 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,960 Speaker 1: get a comedy record. We had a million dollars and 1236 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,719 Speaker 1: donate it all with charity. And we were doing the 1237 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,759 Speaker 1: show in Nashville called the Million Dollars Show, which was 1238 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,640 Speaker 1: to celebrate our million dollar for charity. And before we 1239 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,160 Speaker 1: get the show and we had hit two million dollars 1240 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,799 Speaker 1: for charity and we were like, holy crap. So um, 1241 00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:58,680 Speaker 1: then we just we got a record deal, put out 1242 00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,799 Speaker 1: a couple of comedy records. They did fine. I mean 1243 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,719 Speaker 1: they went number one on the comedy chart, but who cared? 1244 00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,279 Speaker 1: It was like eleven record sold to get nuber one 1245 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,920 Speaker 1: the comedy chart. Uh. So then I just started doing 1246 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,000 Speaker 1: stand up all the time. And he's got kids, um, 1247 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,160 Speaker 1: and so he was like, I don't know, I tore anymore. 1248 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,160 Speaker 1: But now we're we're back at it and it's a 1249 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 1: comedy music show. So like you're playing the opera tonight, Yeah, 1250 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 1: I'm playing the operation time. Have you ever done the 1251 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,440 Speaker 1: opery before? Yeah? I think it's my eleventh time. Okay, 1252 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,239 Speaker 1: I didn't know that, but that's pretty crazy. So what's 1253 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,760 Speaker 1: the reception to you that you get in the Opery. 1254 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes and it's not good because it's just a different 1255 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,640 Speaker 1: crops your audience. Right, Yeah, sometimes it's great and they're 1256 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,520 Speaker 1: not expecting comedy, so you kind of have to break 1257 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,200 Speaker 1: them a little bit. And now I kind of I 1258 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 1: love my grandmother and I listen to the Opery twice 1259 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,000 Speaker 1: a week as a kid, so to me, the Opery 1260 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,200 Speaker 1: super special. To be able to play the first time, 1261 00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:43,839 Speaker 1: I don't even remember it really. I was just kind 1262 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,960 Speaker 1: of blacked out and you don't see people and you're like, 1263 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,360 Speaker 1: I hope I don't screw this up. But now I 1264 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,520 Speaker 1: really enjoy it because it meant so much to my grandmother, UM. 1265 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:56,239 Speaker 1: And I remember once UM, I went up and did 1266 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,560 Speaker 1: her favorite joke. And you don't cover jokes as a comedian, 1267 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,040 Speaker 1: but when I up and covered a joke and I 1268 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,359 Speaker 1: was like, this is Jerry Cloward joke and I told 1269 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,080 Speaker 1: everyone and I did it, and I think it's my 1270 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,120 Speaker 1: second time up in the crowd roared and I was like, man, 1271 00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,520 Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be so I go back 1272 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:10,799 Speaker 1: and I can play that. I can play the crowd. 1273 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,879 Speaker 1: They're a little older, um, but For me, it's really 1274 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,719 Speaker 1: one of the more special things that I get to do. 1275 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,719 Speaker 1: You don't get paid, it's like a hundred bucks or something, 1276 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,080 Speaker 1: but it's never about that there um, But I'm playing 1277 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,160 Speaker 1: tonight for the eleventh time and it's it's a it's 1278 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,440 Speaker 1: a cool thing for me to get to go and 1279 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:24,919 Speaker 1: play the grand old opera. I was on the freaking 1280 00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,719 Speaker 1: billboard I was driving in. It was like playing the 1281 00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,120 Speaker 1: opera tonight, Bobby Bones. So how many songs will you do? Well? 1282 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,000 Speaker 1: They give everybody's Tonight's Friday night. Everybody gets nine minutes 1283 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,319 Speaker 1: on a Friday night. So I'll go up and I'll 1284 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,520 Speaker 1: do I'll do stand up and then I'll do like 1285 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,200 Speaker 1: a minute and a half song and do more stand up. 1286 00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,920 Speaker 1: And I have my Eddie with me, and so he 1287 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,560 Speaker 1: kind of sits out the comedy part. He just sits 1288 00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,160 Speaker 1: over there, and so we kind of weave it in 1289 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,400 Speaker 1: and out of and the opera has a superstory tradition 1290 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,919 Speaker 1: of comedy. And I think they like it that I'll 1291 00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,000 Speaker 1: come up and do something other than to just play songs. 1292 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,920 Speaker 1: So how many cities will you do? Like how many 1293 00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,080 Speaker 1: touring shows? In addition to you the fact that you 1294 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,080 Speaker 1: do the radio show, oh and uh and American Idol 1295 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,120 Speaker 1: and everything else, which we'll get into here in a second. 1296 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,239 Speaker 1: But how many weekends a year will you be on 1297 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,560 Speaker 1: the road actually doing a show. I'll probably doing it 1298 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,919 Speaker 1: on thirty cities theaters. Yeah, and you're selling out big 1299 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,960 Speaker 1: theaters now, right, Like I mean, yeah, most of them 1300 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,520 Speaker 1: are selling That's not always Like we played Denver last 1301 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,640 Speaker 1: week and it wasn't a sell out, but the theater 1302 00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,680 Speaker 1: was a little bigger than I was used to. Um, 1303 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,120 Speaker 1: so we did thousands of tickets. I can't believe people come. 1304 00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,399 Speaker 1: And the show is getting better. We've gotten better because 1305 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,279 Speaker 1: they keep allowing us to do it, and the show 1306 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,279 Speaker 1: is good now. It wasn't always at the beginning. But yeah, 1307 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,279 Speaker 1: we're doing you know, two or three thousand tickets and 1308 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,080 Speaker 1: most of the shows are all top See. Here's the thing. 1309 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,920 Speaker 1: Like when we finished today, I'm gonna go downtown and 1310 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,520 Speaker 1: I've got you know, a partial small ownership steak in 1311 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,520 Speaker 1: a bar that's on Broadway right and we're gonna have people, 1312 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,879 Speaker 1: hopefully who show up for that. But I hate having 1313 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,680 Speaker 1: to show up and not knowing if people are going 1314 00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,359 Speaker 1: to be there even now, and I'll tell you why, 1315 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,680 Speaker 1: because I'm the first book that I wrote. And I 1316 00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,799 Speaker 1: think anybody who's ever done a performance like this, I 1317 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,120 Speaker 1: bet you have to. You show up and no one's there, 1318 00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,399 Speaker 1: and like that will stick with you for or ever. 1319 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,960 Speaker 1: So a part of me is always like our people 1320 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,480 Speaker 1: actually gonna be there, and so having to produce crowds 1321 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,719 Speaker 1: is something that stresses me out, Like I just don't 1322 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,640 Speaker 1: enjoy it. I don't enjoy having to promote it and 1323 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,040 Speaker 1: everything else. You had to get past that, right. But 1324 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,399 Speaker 1: I bet also you've been times where there's been nobody there. 1325 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,600 Speaker 1: When I was twelve, I saved up twenty five dollars 1326 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,480 Speaker 1: and I rented out the old gym in Mountain Pine. 1327 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,120 Speaker 1: It was this gym was built like the fifties. It 1328 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,840 Speaker 1: was where they used play half court basketball, like the 1329 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,359 Speaker 1: women's basketball team only played half courts where they played 1330 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,360 Speaker 1: their high school basketball. And I've been sitting there and 1331 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,000 Speaker 1: you can rent it for twenty five dollars, and I 1332 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,000 Speaker 1: rented it, and I paid the five extra dollars for 1333 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,440 Speaker 1: the roller skates, and I thought, we're gonna have a 1334 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,640 Speaker 1: freaking birthday party. I'm gonna buy all my friends and 1335 00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,399 Speaker 1: we're gonna play volleyball, roller skating hockey with brooms, and 1336 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,279 Speaker 1: nobody showed out one person. One person can on birthday party. 1337 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,279 Speaker 1: And that is what it feels like every time a 1338 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,000 Speaker 1: non sale happens, because we announced and put a tour 1339 00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,920 Speaker 1: at all at once, and so you you have to 1340 00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,719 Speaker 1: get over it, but you don't. I look at ticket 1341 00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,440 Speaker 1: accounts every three days just to see if I can 1342 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:01,759 Speaker 1: tell you every city I'm going into and where we 1343 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,520 Speaker 1: are in tickets and what percentage we're at every single city, 1344 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,640 Speaker 1: because and again, I'm still that kid that people didn't 1345 00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:08,960 Speaker 1: come to his birthday party. So I feel like, man, 1346 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,799 Speaker 1: are they still gonna come to these shows? Yeah, that's 1347 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,719 Speaker 1: the way I feel for all these public events. I mean, 1348 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,520 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot. Maybe there's some people who 1349 00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,400 Speaker 1: get over that. I don't think I'll ever get over it. 1350 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:22,600 Speaker 1: And success creates confidence. Um, and I've had some success 1351 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,840 Speaker 1: and I'm still waiting for that confidence. I used to 1352 00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,440 Speaker 1: look at it every day. I mean, if anything it's 1353 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,040 Speaker 1: a move in the right direction, I maybe like every 1354 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,280 Speaker 1: three days now, But I it's tough it and I 1355 00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,920 Speaker 1: think that's why it does. It pays pretty well, Like 1356 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,120 Speaker 1: we're now making money for ourselves on the road because 1357 00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:39,760 Speaker 1: we're just spending so much time out there. There's a 1358 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,800 Speaker 1: charitable component to everything that we do. Merch Um, we 1359 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,520 Speaker 1: had a part of every ticket goes to musicians on Call, 1360 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,200 Speaker 1: which I'm on the national board for. But if I 1361 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:49,760 Speaker 1: were to say we're not making money now, I'll be 1362 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,080 Speaker 1: lying because I just spent so much time like working 1363 00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,280 Speaker 1: on my craft and taking it out. Um. But yeah, 1364 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,520 Speaker 1: you you you always wonder how tired? Are you? Pretty 1365 00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,919 Speaker 1: tired right now? It's Friday. I'm pretty tired right now. 1366 00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,920 Speaker 1: I'm always My thing has always been, You're always I'm 1367 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,280 Speaker 1: gonna be tired. But can I make mine when I'm 1368 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,080 Speaker 1: feeling the worst better? Because if I can make when 1369 00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,520 Speaker 1: I'm feeling the most tired, if I can produce better, 1370 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,520 Speaker 1: then then when I'm feeling great, it it automatically is 1371 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,520 Speaker 1: gonna rise. When I was doing Dancing with the Stars, 1372 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,480 Speaker 1: I've never been so tired because I would train for 1373 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,640 Speaker 1: twelve hours, do the radio show for five or six, 1374 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:24,680 Speaker 1: sleep for three or four, and be back at it. 1375 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,560 Speaker 1: I was exhausted, but I got so good at doing 1376 00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,120 Speaker 1: that show tired that when I'm not tired, I feel 1377 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,400 Speaker 1: like I'm freaking Chris Rock. I'm so freaking funny right now. 1378 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm all right. I'm like a stick level comedian, you 1379 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,520 Speaker 1: know in Paduca. But I'm good if I can be 1380 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,720 Speaker 1: my worst better. It's like golf, if you can limit 1381 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,160 Speaker 1: your bad shots. It's not about your great shots. You'll 1382 00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,880 Speaker 1: just get lucky and hit a great shot occasionally. But 1383 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,080 Speaker 1: if you can make your bad shots less, then your 1384 00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,720 Speaker 1: score will go up more so than if you make 1385 00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,240 Speaker 1: your great shots better. Be sure to catch live editions 1386 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,840 Speaker 1: if iut kicked the coverage with Clay Travis week days 1387 00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:59,520 Speaker 1: at six am Eastern, three am Pacific. I'm Clay Travis. 1388 00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,600 Speaker 1: This is Wins and Losses. We're talking with Bobby Bones. 1389 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:07,760 Speaker 1: All of the professional direction we've gone. Now you're still single? Yeah, listen, 1390 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,840 Speaker 1: it's my fault though. How old are you? Thirty nine years? 1391 00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,480 Speaker 1: Also never been engaged. What's the longest relationship you've been in? 1392 00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,240 Speaker 1: Out of four and a happier relationship you think you 1393 00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,120 Speaker 1: were gonna get married to her? So you're thirty nine? 1394 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:25,080 Speaker 1: What is your dating life like now? Because of let 1395 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:26,440 Speaker 1: me come, let me cut you off? You ever seconcause 1396 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:27,959 Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys out there that are gonna 1397 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,600 Speaker 1: be listening right now. I'm forty, I've got three kids 1398 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,240 Speaker 1: who got an eleven and eight and a four year old, 1399 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,880 Speaker 1: and and in August I will have been married fifteen years, 1400 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,160 Speaker 1: so we're around the same age. You have lived through 1401 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,080 Speaker 1: a crazy trajectory, right, Like I was out with a 1402 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,200 Speaker 1: buddy a few years ago and he saw Tender for 1403 00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,600 Speaker 1: the first time, and he was like, I swear to God, 1404 00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,880 Speaker 1: dead pan, I would have never gotten married if I 1405 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,920 Speaker 1: knew Tender was coming, right, Because you're in entertainment a 1406 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,840 Speaker 1: little bit. But if you're got tough to meet girls, right, 1407 00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,360 Speaker 1: if you if you advance in careers and everything else, 1408 00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:57,760 Speaker 1: now you're a little bit different because you could go 1409 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,480 Speaker 1: out to things for entertainment related re But what would 1410 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,479 Speaker 1: how would you describe your life? Now? Let me peel 1411 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,000 Speaker 1: back and give a little look behind the cart. In 1412 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,840 Speaker 1: the conversation with you and I had we were flying 1413 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,480 Speaker 1: up to Omaha, yes, and to go watch Arkansas play 1414 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,920 Speaker 1: in the College World Series, and I was asking you 1415 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,720 Speaker 1: about kids because I think I want to have kids 1416 01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,360 Speaker 1: one day, and we were like, it's the greatest thing. Yeah, 1417 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,360 Speaker 1: I've got three boys. They're the greatest part of my life. 1418 01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:19,560 Speaker 1: And I came back and talked about it, and I 1419 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,120 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, Clay, it was like, it's the greatest 1420 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:22,880 Speaker 1: thing to have kids. And I wanted to have kids anyway, 1421 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,120 Speaker 1: but to see you be like, man, it's like I 1422 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,200 Speaker 1: want that eventually. Yeah. Um, now, when they're babies and 1423 01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,360 Speaker 1: they're not sleeping through the night and everything else, you're 1424 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,040 Speaker 1: gonna be like, fuck, Clay Travis. He was totally lying 1425 01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,600 Speaker 1: to me. But once they get to like, you know, 1426 01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,000 Speaker 1: the age where they can start giving you something back, 1427 01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,760 Speaker 1: which might be you know, six eight months and on up. 1428 01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,520 Speaker 1: Like I think my boys are at perfect ages right now. 1429 01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,360 Speaker 1: I would hit pause on my life, Like if I 1430 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,040 Speaker 1: could hold them where they are right now. They're happy, 1431 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,320 Speaker 1: they're healthy, they still enjoy being around my wife and I. 1432 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,720 Speaker 1: Generally speaking, I don't know what it's gonna be like 1433 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,320 Speaker 1: when they get to be teenagers and they go off 1434 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:57,960 Speaker 1: and start to spin off in their own direction. But 1435 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,160 Speaker 1: I love coaching Little League Baseball, like waking up every 1436 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,960 Speaker 1: day and my kids being there and even breakfast with 1437 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,760 Speaker 1: them and everything else. So that's that's right now. But 1438 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:08,800 Speaker 1: there certainly are a lot of people who are listening 1439 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,320 Speaker 1: right now, like my kids are really young. I never sleep. 1440 01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,720 Speaker 1: They drive me insane. So there are parts of that 1441 01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:15,720 Speaker 1: time as you're saying, I got you a good time 1442 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,360 Speaker 1: for that, look, I mean I think and also my 1443 01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,680 Speaker 1: wife is is fantastic. I think who your partner is 1444 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,600 Speaker 1: matters a great deal in that. But it's like, I 1445 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,560 Speaker 1: can't imagine what I would be doing without kids right 1446 01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,720 Speaker 1: now and if I were forty and single. And that 1447 01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,600 Speaker 1: same conversation, I showed you this dating and I was like, oh, 1448 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,480 Speaker 1: that's awesome called Ria and you have to be accepted 1449 01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,840 Speaker 1: on it, and it's kind of uh, it's an exclusive 1450 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:41,400 Speaker 1: dating app. Yeah, it's the lure of Riah. It's hard 1451 01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,120 Speaker 1: to invest in it now. By the way, are you 1452 01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,280 Speaker 1: an investor in it? Because you're you're naming it now. 1453 01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,880 Speaker 1: It was an r y A r A y A 1454 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,520 Speaker 1: r A y a okay, And so it's like the 1455 01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,080 Speaker 1: famous person app. There's more than that, Like most of 1456 01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:55,760 Speaker 1: the dudes are famous, most of the chicks are is 1457 01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,560 Speaker 1: a hot, really good looking. Yeah, and so I was 1458 01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,800 Speaker 1: I was kind of showing showing you something. So there's 1459 01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,919 Speaker 1: all it's solid talent on the app. So I mean, 1460 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,920 Speaker 1: that's my life now. Is a mix of that, like 1461 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:08,960 Speaker 1: getting on the dating app and not really having trouble, 1462 01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,640 Speaker 1: but also like what it's not gratcha Marks would say, 1463 01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:13,840 Speaker 1: don't want to be part of any club that would 1464 01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,240 Speaker 1: have me. It's like, why don't want to date any 1465 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,240 Speaker 1: girl that want to date me? Especially because if she 1466 01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,560 Speaker 1: wants to date you because of the success that you've had, right, 1467 01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,520 Speaker 1: because super scared of that. So what super hot chick 1468 01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:25,920 Speaker 1: would want to date me if it weren't for the 1469 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,640 Speaker 1: success that I had. And I know that I'm that 1470 01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,320 Speaker 1: It's not lost on me that I'm you know, you're 1471 01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,840 Speaker 1: a normal looking guy, Ryan Gosling, right right. You know 1472 01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,840 Speaker 1: I'm not terribly good looking or terribly funny. I'm just 1473 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,440 Speaker 1: a normal dude that's been pretty successful at what I 1474 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,880 Speaker 1: do here. Uh So I often get in a relationship 1475 01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:44,720 Speaker 1: with girls that are way hotter than me and go, Okay, 1476 01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,160 Speaker 1: this isn't going right, she's too hot. There's something up um, 1477 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,160 Speaker 1: and it would go out a few times. What's your 1478 01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:56,440 Speaker 1: range now? Probably twenty seven to eight? No, it's like 1479 01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:03,160 Speaker 1: it's like twenties seven to thirty four. So, like, I 1480 01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,480 Speaker 1: still want to have kids, and I still want to 1481 01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,880 Speaker 1: have a few years before I have kids or maybe 1482 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,720 Speaker 1: a couple, and so that's probably, but I would break that. 1483 01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,880 Speaker 1: What would be your ideal age to get married right now? 1484 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,160 Speaker 1: If I told you right now you're thirty nine, you're 1485 01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,760 Speaker 1: not going to be married, you'd be upset by that. 1486 01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,840 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean I would. I'd be irritated. But 1487 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,480 Speaker 1: at this point I thought i'd be married twice now, 1488 01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,040 Speaker 1: like I I really think my second wife is gonna 1489 01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,560 Speaker 1: be the one. I stick with that. But I'm also 1490 01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,600 Speaker 1: at the point now where I got it. I have 1491 01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,840 Speaker 1: a prenup, Like that's not even a thought, because you're 1492 01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:36,960 Speaker 1: just nervous enough about the success that you've had, and 1493 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,600 Speaker 1: why the woman would be with you, nervous enough she 1494 01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,560 Speaker 1: could talk you out of it. Now. And I don't 1495 01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,280 Speaker 1: know anything about money, And I have money now and 1496 01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,440 Speaker 1: I don't anything about it. Like I grew I have 1497 01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:53,080 Speaker 1: no money mentors. We were all broke where I grew up. Nothing. 1498 01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,120 Speaker 1: You're gonna be like Adrian Peterson. And I was watching 1499 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,400 Speaker 1: your on Twitter last night where you were like, he 1500 01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,440 Speaker 1: spent twenty five dollars a day. How is that possible? 1501 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,120 Speaker 1: Um No, I'm the opposite of that. I don't even 1502 01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,200 Speaker 1: spend I have a nice house, in a nice car, 1503 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,240 Speaker 1: and I eat decent food. But other than that, like, 1504 01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,280 Speaker 1: I'm not someone who spends money. I'm scared of death. 1505 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,480 Speaker 1: That because until three three, two years ago, so I 1506 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,800 Speaker 1: still I was paying my bills over because I was like, 1507 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,400 Speaker 1: because you just needn't know when they were going to be. 1508 01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:22,960 Speaker 1: I was like, man, if I lose my job, I 1509 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:24,720 Speaker 1: need to have a couple of months buffer and my 1510 01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,880 Speaker 1: business manager, which I have to have now. I was like, 1511 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,040 Speaker 1: you gotta stop doing that, Like, you'll be all right, 1512 01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,160 Speaker 1: Like if you get fired today, you can afford your 1513 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,320 Speaker 1: cell phone bill. You're good for a few years. Like 1514 01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:35,840 Speaker 1: and so where you come when you come from where 1515 01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,640 Speaker 1: I come from, that's really not a thing. So I'm 1516 01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,440 Speaker 1: dealing with those. It's a great problem to have, by 1517 01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,240 Speaker 1: the way, not no woe is me, um, But I 1518 01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,480 Speaker 1: also feel like that's why eventually I'll get into politics too, 1519 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,240 Speaker 1: because I'll be able to afford it. So yeah, so 1520 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:48,760 Speaker 1: that that's something you've talked about too. But I want 1521 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,840 Speaker 1: to go to television. I'm gonna jump to politics. So uh, 1522 01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,919 Speaker 1: you've done you want? Um dancing with the Stars. Yeah, 1523 01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,320 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a great dancer. Um, you have now been 1524 01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,520 Speaker 1: on American Idol. Yeah for two seasons. Um, you're getting 1525 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,160 Speaker 1: to do a lot of television. I get asked all 1526 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,320 Speaker 1: the time, and I think it's intriguing. I went from 1527 01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,440 Speaker 1: writing to radio to TV, and they're all different disciplines. 1528 01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,560 Speaker 1: You've written a great book, you have obviously had a 1529 01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:18,720 Speaker 1: very successful and have a very successful New York. Um, 1530 01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,600 Speaker 1: you've got the UM, the radio show what you're doing 1531 01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,520 Speaker 1: really well, and the television shows. I mean, fine, which 1532 01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,440 Speaker 1: if you had to give up one of those three 1533 01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,880 Speaker 1: or two of those three for the rest of your career, 1534 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:31,680 Speaker 1: what do you love the most? I would never write 1535 01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,040 Speaker 1: another book. You're done. No, I'm not done. But if 1536 01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,320 Speaker 1: I had to give one up, yeah, it's a lot 1537 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,320 Speaker 1: of work. I'm just not what I'm good at. Yeah, 1538 01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,280 Speaker 1: And I really had to work hard at it at 1539 01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,040 Speaker 1: both of them, and even the concepts of them were tough. 1540 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,320 Speaker 1: So as I say that, I'm actually working on the 1541 01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,880 Speaker 1: third book now because I just whenever I go, I 1542 01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:51,400 Speaker 1: don't know if I can do that. That That that's what 1543 01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,640 Speaker 1: motivates me. Whenever I start going, I don't know if 1544 01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,400 Speaker 1: I can. I have a lot of self motivation to 1545 01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,240 Speaker 1: prove myself right or wrong. Um, I would give up 1546 01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,919 Speaker 1: writing books and I wouldn't tour. I don't have to tour. 1547 01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. The touring to me is I'm just 1548 01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,000 Speaker 1: working a muscle until I can actually use it. And 1549 01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,200 Speaker 1: I've and I got to use it. When Ryan Seacrest 1550 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:09,640 Speaker 1: went down, he got sick for the first time ever 1551 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:13,000 Speaker 1: in seventeen years, our seventeen seasons of Idol. Five minutes 1552 01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,040 Speaker 1: for the show started. They pulled me over to the 1553 01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:18,480 Speaker 1: side and they go, hey, uh, Ryan's sick for the 1554 01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,240 Speaker 1: first time ever. We need someone to host the show. 1555 01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:22,640 Speaker 1: And I thought, oh, wow, what are you gonna get 1556 01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,280 Speaker 1: And they said, no, no, if we need you to 1557 01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,440 Speaker 1: host it, I was like right now, like yeah, we're on. 1558 01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,600 Speaker 1: We have Union guys cameras. I think they were like 1559 01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,960 Speaker 1: seven or eight minutes away, and I was like okay. 1560 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,320 Speaker 1: And now there wasn't a part of me that jumped like, oh, 1561 01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,880 Speaker 1: I can't do this. I said, okay, Well, the only 1562 01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,280 Speaker 1: thing I'm really gonna need a stage direction because I'm 1563 01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,200 Speaker 1: good on a prompter, because I have the television skills, 1564 01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,600 Speaker 1: I'm good on a stage improv, I have the comedy skills, 1565 01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:48,720 Speaker 1: and I knew all the people because I've been working 1566 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,560 Speaker 1: on Idol. I said, just tell me what struction to 1567 01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,800 Speaker 1: walk like on and off camera, because all that matters, 1568 01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:54,520 Speaker 1: and I'll be good. And I went out and I 1569 01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,360 Speaker 1: did a solid B plus with seven minutes prep um. 1570 01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,760 Speaker 1: Big benefit been at that too, was I didn't have 1571 01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,040 Speaker 1: time to freak out that a day before, I've been like, oh, 1572 01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:03,240 Speaker 1: this is it. But I went out and did a 1573 01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,480 Speaker 1: good job. But I I firmly believe part of that 1574 01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:10,120 Speaker 1: was because I've just been on stages on literal, so 1575 01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,479 Speaker 1: you're comfortable with the in front of crowds. I felt 1576 01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:15,440 Speaker 1: for the first time. I was going, oh, I'm finally 1577 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,240 Speaker 1: ready for this, and I'm out underneath the American Idol 1578 01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,440 Speaker 1: letters and that show is not for me to host. 1579 01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,200 Speaker 1: That's Ryan's show forever. But I thought, wow, this is 1580 01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,480 Speaker 1: for me, Like this is not too big. I've been 1581 01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,480 Speaker 1: working the right muscles. I got lucky, which is just 1582 01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,480 Speaker 1: I was ready for it when it happened, and you know, 1583 01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:35,120 Speaker 1: I did good, So it's it's pretty cool it and 1584 01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,960 Speaker 1: that will that's led to other opportunities and television like 1585 01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:39,800 Speaker 1: you just did Bear Grills, but do you think it 1586 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:41,640 Speaker 1: which which is an awesome story. I'm sure, And I 1587 01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,400 Speaker 1: don't think you can talk about it yet because it 1588 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,760 Speaker 1: hasn't aired. But you were just up in like the 1589 01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,200 Speaker 1: middle of nowhere with him, right, Yeah, we went up. Yeah, 1590 01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:50,800 Speaker 1: I don't think I can say yet, but we went 1591 01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,560 Speaker 1: somewhere really far. Took a whole day to get there. 1592 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,720 Speaker 1: But it was so you know, Idol Dancing with the 1593 01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,440 Speaker 1: Stars and Idol and did Miss America most in c 1594 01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:02,040 Speaker 1: M a fest which is lead to bear grills. Everything's 1595 01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,640 Speaker 1: kind of jumped onto something else. So where does it lead? Where? 1596 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,720 Speaker 1: Where's the end result? Where you would be like, hey, 1597 01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:08,360 Speaker 1: that's what I've you talked about it, and I think 1598 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,000 Speaker 1: this is fascinating. Even when you were a kid, you 1599 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,840 Speaker 1: were like, logically, I need to be smart in order 1600 01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,480 Speaker 1: to be able to get into college, in order to 1601 01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,720 Speaker 1: be able to move outside of the seven person town 1602 01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,880 Speaker 1: that grew up that you grew up in. Where is 1603 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,080 Speaker 1: the end? Destination? Politics maybe the destination, but an entertainment, 1604 01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,840 Speaker 1: where is the destination? I think I know myself well 1605 01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:27,760 Speaker 1: enough now to know there isn't an end that I'll 1606 01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,120 Speaker 1: drive myself crazy wherever I am, But I think that 1607 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:35,720 Speaker 1: being self aware is my end, meaning I know that 1608 01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:39,479 Speaker 1: if I get a talk show on on Amazon or ABC, 1609 01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,519 Speaker 1: that that's cool for a minute until I'm wanting to 1610 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,800 Speaker 1: eat my kid needs because i need higher ratings or 1611 01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,080 Speaker 1: more streams. So I'm self aware to know that there 1612 01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,080 Speaker 1: isn't an end. And I would like to have a 1613 01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,080 Speaker 1: show here in Nashville so I don't have to travel 1614 01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,120 Speaker 1: so much. I'll be here. I just can't see me 1615 01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:00,080 Speaker 1: moving to Los Angeles. Um, So I think that's the 1616 01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,200 Speaker 1: in for now. I think that's what it is in 1617 01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,400 Speaker 1: for now. I'm building towards I don't want to be 1618 01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:06,600 Speaker 1: a guy hit man that goes out and does a 1619 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,200 Speaker 1: couple of shows in l A and comes back. Yeah. 1620 01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,040 Speaker 1: I love doing Idol because they really have trust to 1621 01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,000 Speaker 1: me when they didn't need to have no reason to 1622 01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:14,800 Speaker 1: put me on Idol and and just be like, Okay, 1623 01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,240 Speaker 1: you're the guy all year and we're gonna give you 1624 01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:17,960 Speaker 1: a ton of money and let's rock. And it is 1625 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,800 Speaker 1: interesting as a guy who was born and raised in 1626 01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,599 Speaker 1: Nashville and has been here, Nashville can be a destination 1627 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,120 Speaker 1: point now and and it's fascinating. I think you certainly 1628 01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:26,360 Speaker 1: have been a big part of that. I think there 1629 01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,360 Speaker 1: are a lot of talented people in this city right now. 1630 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,680 Speaker 1: But early when I was doing radio, when I was 1631 01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,439 Speaker 1: doing writing, I would get asked, Hey, are you gonna 1632 01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:33,760 Speaker 1: go to New York? Do you want to go to 1633 01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,400 Speaker 1: l an Like you need to move right And now 1634 01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,400 Speaker 1: I hear a lot of people saying, Hey, you know 1635 01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,720 Speaker 1: the things we can do with you in Nashville, And 1636 01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:42,120 Speaker 1: I bet you're starting to get that now. And I 1637 01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,519 Speaker 1: think that's the cachet of Nashville. But I think it's 1638 01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,760 Speaker 1: also on the entertainment level, really kind of popped in 1639 01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,680 Speaker 1: a good way, and per capita. There's many celebrities who 1640 01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,120 Speaker 1: live in Nashville now as live in almost anywhere else 1641 01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,240 Speaker 1: in the world. Yeah, I would agree. I think I 1642 01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:59,360 Speaker 1: agree in that if you create good content, people will 1643 01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,959 Speaker 1: watch it more so than getting big guests. I struggle 1644 01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,479 Speaker 1: at times at getting guests, not any in the country 1645 01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,679 Speaker 1: music world. So I've got a time at right. People 1646 01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:09,280 Speaker 1: aren't coming here like there are New York and Los 1647 01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:14,960 Speaker 1: Angeles because television, movie premiers. People just living there because 1648 01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,360 Speaker 1: the work is there. Like I have a friend named Charletmagne, 1649 01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:18,680 Speaker 1: the god who does the hip Hop show, one of 1650 01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,559 Speaker 1: my best friends, and he gets freaking Kathy Griffin, Drew 1651 01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:25,320 Speaker 1: carry hip hop stars because everybody's in New York or 1652 01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:29,360 Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot of country artists and occasionally John Mayer, 1653 01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:30,840 Speaker 1: who will come by because he's kind of a fan 1654 01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,719 Speaker 1: of the show. Occasionally. There was a problem with Pickler 1655 01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:36,639 Speaker 1: and Ben. They were a talk show based here in Nashville. 1656 01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,400 Speaker 1: As they did a good job as a morning daytime 1657 01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,639 Speaker 1: talk show, but they just couldn't get enough guests for 1658 01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,760 Speaker 1: every day. They couldn't get enough guests. And so for me, 1659 01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:48,840 Speaker 1: I've tried to lean away from basing any sort of 1660 01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,120 Speaker 1: success on the guests that I can get and put 1661 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:52,720 Speaker 1: all mine on what can I do and what can 1662 01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,160 Speaker 1: I create with my people here. Yeah, and so I 1663 01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:56,759 Speaker 1: do think that you can be anyone to be successful 1664 01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,640 Speaker 1: now if you just create good content. I mean, I 1665 01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,320 Speaker 1: think if you want to be in Kansas City and 1666 01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,960 Speaker 1: create your content, dude, you can make a living off 1667 01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,400 Speaker 1: of Instagram now, off of YouTube videos. Um. And you 1668 01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,000 Speaker 1: know in my radio show, which radio to me is 1669 01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,880 Speaker 1: anything that comes off the phone, like this is radio, 1670 01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,840 Speaker 1: any audio, anything audio basically, And so we've you know, 1671 01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,040 Speaker 1: when I saw my last contract, part of my deal 1672 01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:22,200 Speaker 1: was I want a fully functional multimedia studio because if 1673 01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,719 Speaker 1: I'm not up for people can see it at three pm, 1674 01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:26,840 Speaker 1: or can listen to it eleven PM, or can listen 1675 01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,000 Speaker 1: to it live. Like it's just not gonna matter anymore. 1676 01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,639 Speaker 1: You've gotta be everywhere eyeballs and ears are at all 1677 01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,439 Speaker 1: times and so and I think you've done a great 1678 01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,280 Speaker 1: job of that too, um and then that's that's what 1679 01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,479 Speaker 1: you have to do now in the media and so 1680 01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,920 Speaker 1: and I use I've been lucky that ABC trusted me 1681 01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:42,479 Speaker 1: and put me on all these shows, because it's also 1682 01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,120 Speaker 1: widened my umbrella a bit too. I get in a 1683 01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:46,760 Speaker 1: lot of rooms that would have never let me in, 1684 01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:48,479 Speaker 1: and a lot of people give me second looks now 1685 01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:50,120 Speaker 1: that would have never given me a second look. And 1686 01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,040 Speaker 1: people will even come by the show now because I'm 1687 01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:53,439 Speaker 1: not the guy in the radio, but oh, you're the 1688 01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,679 Speaker 1: guy in American Idol, you're the guy the one dancing 1689 01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,400 Speaker 1: with the stars, or you're so and so. So that's 1690 01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:58,840 Speaker 1: really been a big benefit to me in the show. 1691 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,000 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Dio has the best sports talk lineup in 1692 01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,040 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 1693 01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,200 Speaker 1: Radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app 1694 01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:12,960 Speaker 1: search f s R. To listen live. Alright, so you 1695 01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,160 Speaker 1: mentioned it you might want to do politics one day, 1696 01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,120 Speaker 1: and moving back, I will do politics one day. It 1697 01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:18,800 Speaker 1: just been what what where I get in? How old 1698 01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:22,719 Speaker 1: you think you'll be? Well? I got a call. I mean, listen, 1699 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:25,879 Speaker 1: by the way before you enter that. I'm Clay Travis. 1700 01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:28,040 Speaker 1: This is Wins and Losses. You're listening to Bobby Bones. 1701 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,479 Speaker 1: He's at Mr Bobby Bones on Twitter because the real 1702 01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,640 Speaker 1: Bobby bones is has been fighting with him for what 1703 01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,280 Speaker 1: how many years? Yeah, it's been a decade You've been 1704 01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:41,400 Speaker 1: trying to get that one. Uh so politics, I could 1705 01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:46,240 Speaker 1: see it happening low percentage next in the next four years, 1706 01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:50,400 Speaker 1: low percentage like eight or nine meeting between like now. 1707 01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,639 Speaker 1: Probably not. You'd want to run for governor of Arkansas? Yeah, 1708 01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,040 Speaker 1: and I should probably. I don't have the skill set 1709 01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:58,880 Speaker 1: right now to do it, but I would do it. Yeah. Um, 1710 01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:00,800 Speaker 1: Like I was with you, we talked about going to 1711 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,160 Speaker 1: the Arkansas College World Series and you talked to the 1712 01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,760 Speaker 1: Razorback alumni group there and you told them, Hey, one 1713 01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,559 Speaker 1: day I'm gonna run for governor in your state. I 1714 01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,800 Speaker 1: think maybe in probably in twelve years. Again, it's so 1715 01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,640 Speaker 1: much timing too. Yeah, you know, you gotta be in 1716 01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,719 Speaker 1: the right place at the right year, in the right environment. 1717 01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:15,920 Speaker 1: Maybe I would listen. I would love to do in 1718 01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,519 Speaker 1: the forties because I'm already going in the forties. I 1719 01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,200 Speaker 1: could be the president of the fifties. That's just one step. Um. 1720 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:21,880 Speaker 1: I do feel like I come from a place to 1721 01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,160 Speaker 1: where people are looking for someone to represent them. I 1722 01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:28,200 Speaker 1: think a lot of politicians, not all, but most come 1723 01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,880 Speaker 1: from an economic privilege background which allows them to either 1724 01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,400 Speaker 1: get the education which allows them to be a politician. 1725 01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,040 Speaker 1: I have a real job, um, but I've kind of 1726 01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,400 Speaker 1: been through it, and so you know, I come and 1727 01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:41,800 Speaker 1: I think I can represent a lot of folks that 1728 01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,720 Speaker 1: basically just go a poor don't have an education, and 1729 01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,640 Speaker 1: aren't getting the right education. Just because I know that. 1730 01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,720 Speaker 1: That being said, the Republican Party of Arkansas reached out like, hey, 1731 01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:52,320 Speaker 1: are you consent and run in the next four years. 1732 01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,880 Speaker 1: They don't even know what what what I am, but 1733 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,200 Speaker 1: I guess they just assume I'm Republican, And good for 1734 01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,479 Speaker 1: them for assuming that everybody can assume whatever they want. 1735 01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,519 Speaker 1: It is interesting I remember this story like the first 1736 01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,320 Speaker 1: family in Nashville is huge, right, and Bill Frist ended 1737 01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,760 Speaker 1: up he was a you know, surgeon, neurosurgeon I think, 1738 01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,240 Speaker 1: or whatever he was, and he's from the h c 1739 01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,560 Speaker 1: A family. And when he decided he want to be 1740 01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:16,400 Speaker 1: a politician, this is amazing story, the Democrats pitched him on, hey, 1741 01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,000 Speaker 1: you should be a Democrat, and the Republicans pitched him on, 1742 01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,679 Speaker 1: hey you should be a Republican because he just wasn't 1743 01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:24,040 Speaker 1: that into politics, right, he was working so hard on 1744 01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,719 Speaker 1: being a surgeon. They thought, hey, this guy is gonna 1745 01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,040 Speaker 1: be an incredible candidate. He's obviously got a lot of money. 1746 01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,559 Speaker 1: And they both made their pitch and then he's like, actually, 1747 01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,960 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm a Republican. And but he hadn't 1748 01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:37,439 Speaker 1: even really set down and ever contemplated what political views 1749 01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:39,960 Speaker 1: he had until he decided he wanted to get into politics. 1750 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,919 Speaker 1: Always think that's interesting that that might be the situation 1751 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:43,760 Speaker 1: that you would have and you got the party's pitching. 1752 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,120 Speaker 1: I think that's what they're doing now. And I think 1753 01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,960 Speaker 1: you kind of invest early in someone with people with 1754 01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:53,759 Speaker 1: stocks the businesses. Yeah, And so I think I'm feeling 1755 01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,240 Speaker 1: that a bit now. You know, I started toying with 1756 01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,000 Speaker 1: the idea two years ago and the current governor said, hey, 1757 01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,360 Speaker 1: would not do that because you're getting too much press. Um. 1758 01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,599 Speaker 1: And I and I think Govin Hudgins awesome and Arkansas. UM. 1759 01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll kind of see where it goes. Like 1760 01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:15,479 Speaker 1: I'm the typical, Like socially I'm pretty liberal, but fiscally 1761 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm not. So it's kind of like, you know, I 1762 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:20,639 Speaker 1: get you don't fit. You're a little bit like me, 1763 01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:22,200 Speaker 1: Like I get a lot of I don't fit down 1764 01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,559 Speaker 1: one line, but I don't think most people do, except 1765 01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,880 Speaker 1: for the tribes they've been assigned to and right. And 1766 01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:28,840 Speaker 1: that's why I would argue that even the people who 1767 01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,000 Speaker 1: were in those tribes, if you get them out and 1768 01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:33,400 Speaker 1: pull them out on individual issues, they're like, oh, I 1769 01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,960 Speaker 1: actually don't fit in that party everywhere, which is me. 1770 01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,680 Speaker 1: Like with gun control, I had guns in my whole life. 1771 01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:40,280 Speaker 1: You're talking to a guy from the South. Well, yeah, 1772 01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:41,840 Speaker 1: same thing here. Like I was six years old and 1773 01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,040 Speaker 1: they had me shooting at you know, targets, right. Um, 1774 01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:45,960 Speaker 1: I grew up in Nashville and that was very common. 1775 01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,800 Speaker 1: You're not gonna hear me rail against guns because I 1776 01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,920 Speaker 1: see people that use guns as tools, literal tools. We 1777 01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:54,120 Speaker 1: had to eat. Yeah, I gotta. I got a four 1778 01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,360 Speaker 1: ten when I was nine in a four ten turned 1779 01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,200 Speaker 1: into a twenty gage, turned into a twelve, turned to 1780 01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,240 Speaker 1: thirty six. So you're not gonna tell me that guns 1781 01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:02,960 Speaker 1: are just bad when we didn't get to eat food 1782 01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,040 Speaker 1: unless we had them. So you would hear me talking 1783 01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:07,880 Speaker 1: about this and go, oh, he's a Republican. But then 1784 01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,760 Speaker 1: I'm so gay rights, like as much as you could 1785 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,439 Speaker 1: possibly be, and be like, oh for so yeah, I 1786 01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,639 Speaker 1: think we'll just kind of see where the party's fall, 1787 01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,080 Speaker 1: because they will shift. They've always shifted. Where I grew 1788 01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:22,439 Speaker 1: up in Arkansas, Bill Clinton was a Democrat, and at 1789 01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:25,040 Speaker 1: the time, the Democrats were for the poor people and 1790 01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:26,920 Speaker 1: the Republicans for the rich people. Now it's shifted a 1791 01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,639 Speaker 1: bit where it's like Republicans are for the image alicals 1792 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,080 Speaker 1: and the Democrats. So like Trump will dominate in Arkansas 1793 01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,320 Speaker 1: and a lot of the poor people will be voting 1794 01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,720 Speaker 1: for Trump, and a lot of the poor people would 1795 01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:40,960 Speaker 1: have voted for for Clinton back in the eighties, in 1796 01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,040 Speaker 1: the early nineties when he had his political career. So 1797 01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:47,120 Speaker 1: mostly it'll be where the where the party is stamped. 1798 01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:50,160 Speaker 1: When I decided to run, because again, I just talked 1799 01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,000 Speaker 1: to the two main issues where if you heard me 1800 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:53,400 Speaker 1: talking about one you would go, oh he's one way 1801 01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:57,679 Speaker 1: or oh he's the other. So I am Clay Traviss 1802 01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:59,680 Speaker 1: the Wins and Lost his podcast with Bobby Bones. I 1803 01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,000 Speaker 1: know you're insanely busy. I appreciate you making this time, 1804 01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:06,080 Speaker 1: uh and with the concept just kind of wins and losses. 1805 01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,479 Speaker 1: And at the end, I like to ask people to 1806 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:12,160 Speaker 1: give advice, right like if you were Let's pretend like 1807 01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,759 Speaker 1: you and I were young and there's a young version 1808 01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,360 Speaker 1: of Bobby Bones that is out there listening to you 1809 01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:19,680 Speaker 1: right now and he's like, Hey, I want to end 1810 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,960 Speaker 1: up doing what that guy does one day. What would 1811 01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,840 Speaker 1: you tell him or her that you really don't have 1812 01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,680 Speaker 1: to be that talented to be that successful. It's a 1813 01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,599 Speaker 1: lot of work and grit. It's it's showing up on 1814 01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,760 Speaker 1: time every time, Like that's the key, Like there are 1815 01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:37,680 Speaker 1: other other elements as well. You gotta make some good 1816 01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:39,120 Speaker 1: decisions and you're gonna make some bad and when you 1817 01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:40,599 Speaker 1: make the bad ones, you have to learn from the bad. 1818 01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:42,640 Speaker 1: Like you really got to get something from when you 1819 01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,519 Speaker 1: do screw up. But for me, again, I just don't 1820 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:50,720 Speaker 1: consider myself just supremely talented. I do consider myself one 1821 01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,640 Speaker 1: of the hardest, working, grittiest people that I know. I 1822 01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,080 Speaker 1: do I even know. I don't know if I know 1823 01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,639 Speaker 1: myself or not, but um, yeah, just it's just showing 1824 01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,160 Speaker 1: up on time every time, and also finding people that 1825 01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,960 Speaker 1: will champion you, because I've often went to people and said, hey, 1826 01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,360 Speaker 1: like you you we help me if you got me 1827 01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,120 Speaker 1: like I got you, And so that's been a big 1828 01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,840 Speaker 1: deal for me as being having loyalty and being loyal 1829 01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:15,519 Speaker 1: to people too. But but but it's mostly if I've just 1830 01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,599 Speaker 1: showing up. It's the most basic concept. It's the building 1831 01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,200 Speaker 1: blocks of If you don't show up and do the 1832 01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,479 Speaker 1: little things right, why in the world would I trust 1833 01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:23,800 Speaker 1: you do the big things right. You don't get a 1834 01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:24,880 Speaker 1: chance to do the big things that you can't do 1835 01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:26,960 Speaker 1: the little things. I own some gems here in town, 1836 01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,840 Speaker 1: and before I got into the business with my business partner. Now, 1837 01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,160 Speaker 1: I would just go and look at the trash cans 1838 01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,519 Speaker 1: and see, all right, let's see if the little things 1839 01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,360 Speaker 1: are being done right. Before I attached my name and 1840 01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,000 Speaker 1: my money to to this person in this and I 1841 01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:40,320 Speaker 1: would look at the trash cans and I I woul look 1842 01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,000 Speaker 1: at the bathrooms. I didn't look at how many people 1843 01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:43,640 Speaker 1: were showing up to class. I'll look at that in 1844 01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,680 Speaker 1: a minute, Like those are the big things, but let 1845 01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:47,759 Speaker 1: me see if we're getting the little things right. And 1846 01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:49,439 Speaker 1: he was crushing it with the little things. And I 1847 01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:51,280 Speaker 1: know if you're taking care of the small details, the 1848 01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,880 Speaker 1: big details are are easy if you're doing the little things. 1849 01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:55,840 Speaker 1: So that's what I would say. I would say, just 1850 01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:57,880 Speaker 1: show up and and do the little things, because you 1851 01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,559 Speaker 1: will naturally train yourself to do the big things. Yeah. 1852 01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,400 Speaker 1: And that's what I honestly spend a lot of time 1853 01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,519 Speaker 1: on with my kids is we live in a society 1854 01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:08,960 Speaker 1: where we reward results, and so much of results, in 1855 01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,559 Speaker 1: my mind is effort. And so what I try to 1856 01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:16,160 Speaker 1: get involved in is praising grit, praising tenacity, praising effort 1857 01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,160 Speaker 1: more than results, because I think if you put the 1858 01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:21,080 Speaker 1: time in, by and large, you'll get the results. And 1859 01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:23,280 Speaker 1: by the way, you are really really talented. But what 1860 01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:27,080 Speaker 1: I have come to admire value is your work ethic right, 1861 01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,960 Speaker 1: because there are a lot of talented people in the world. 1862 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:31,479 Speaker 1: And I tell my kids this all the time too, 1863 01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,240 Speaker 1: And this is for everybody out there. Listening. Most talented 1864 01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:37,559 Speaker 1: people won't work hard. Right, The more talent you have, 1865 01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:40,040 Speaker 1: to a certain extent, maybe the less hard you'll work. Now, 1866 01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,640 Speaker 1: sometimes you end up with the most talented people who 1867 01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,600 Speaker 1: work the hardest and obviously they're they're ceiling is the stratosphere. 1868 01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,200 Speaker 1: But the one recipe that can't be eliminated, I think 1869 01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,519 Speaker 1: is that tenacity and that drive. My last book is 1870 01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:54,519 Speaker 1: called fail until you Don't, and I didn't have the 1871 01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,120 Speaker 1: title till the very end. I'd written the whole thing. 1872 01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,840 Speaker 1: And what I did was not only did I wanted 1873 01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:00,880 Speaker 1: to highlight didn't want to have my my failures and 1874 01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:02,920 Speaker 1: mess ups, and also kind of give my theory on 1875 01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,800 Speaker 1: anybody can be a success if you just do the 1876 01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,920 Speaker 1: small things right. It was I grabbed a lot of 1877 01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:13,800 Speaker 1: folks like Chris Stapleton, the current governor of Arkansas, UM 1878 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,000 Speaker 1: Charles Eston, who plays it was an actor, and I said, hey, 1879 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:17,960 Speaker 1: I want to I want you to tell me your 1880 01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:19,720 Speaker 1: story right right in my book for me, but just 1881 01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:21,320 Speaker 1: tell me. I don't want to know anything cool. You 1882 01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:23,360 Speaker 1: did give me your biggest failure, because I want people 1883 01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:26,559 Speaker 1: to see that even the great people are really great 1884 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,280 Speaker 1: as sucking too. But you just don't see it and 1885 01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,920 Speaker 1: so it doesn't get anywhere. And that's what they did. 1886 01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,640 Speaker 1: That's what my book is. That's what my second book is. 1887 01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:37,040 Speaker 1: It's me. It's called fail until you Don't Fight, Grind, repeat, 1888 01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,840 Speaker 1: and it's me going, Okay, this is where I screwed up, 1889 01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:41,760 Speaker 1: but this is how you have to learn from those experiences. 1890 01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,320 Speaker 1: And it's all those guys that have millions of dollars 1891 01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,320 Speaker 1: super famous, going oh, yeah, I screwed up massively, But 1892 01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,519 Speaker 1: it's not that I screwed up. It's what I could 1893 01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,280 Speaker 1: learn from these times that I screwed up. And I 1894 01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,519 Speaker 1: just got back up, and I just continued to get 1895 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,320 Speaker 1: back up. And that's what I do. I just continue 1896 01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:59,240 Speaker 1: to get back up. I'll probably screw up here soon. Um, 1897 01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,920 Speaker 1: you know, you had the fcct A one million dollar fine. 1898 01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:04,120 Speaker 1: I think it's been three years ago now, but that 1899 01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:05,600 Speaker 1: is that the biggest screw up that you've had on 1900 01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:07,559 Speaker 1: your current station in terms, So yeah, I got bind 1901 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,880 Speaker 1: a million dollars, like what I'm that's it And that's 1902 01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:12,479 Speaker 1: about as bad as you can do. I thought I 1903 01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,439 Speaker 1: might be fired, and you played for people out there 1904 01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:17,720 Speaker 1: who don't know the emergency like kind of this is 1905 01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:21,320 Speaker 1: what happened. I'm on the I'm in Dallas, I'm touring, 1906 01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,000 Speaker 1: and I'm doing a client event, and so I'm working 1907 01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,560 Speaker 1: out of a small studio there and in d C 1908 01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,599 Speaker 1: the local cable network or the local affiliate. We're playing 1909 01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:33,360 Speaker 1: the World Series. Someone hits a home run and as 1910 01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:36,559 Speaker 1: the balls leaving the park, the E A S Test 1911 01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,280 Speaker 1: goes off, so they didn't see the home run that 1912 01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,679 Speaker 1: won the game. And I'm going, Wow, what a weird 1913 01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,519 Speaker 1: time to have an E S like nine o'clock during 1914 01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,800 Speaker 1: the World Series. And if you know that's gonna happen, 1915 01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:49,719 Speaker 1: maybe you give everybody heads up just in case because 1916 01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,080 Speaker 1: you're watching the World Series. And I said that would 1917 01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,120 Speaker 1: be like, and I was talking about this story lead. 1918 01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:55,720 Speaker 1: I was telling some roalle dramatic story in my life, 1919 01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:56,960 Speaker 1: and right before I got to the ending, I hit 1920 01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:00,280 Speaker 1: the that I just took off a YouTube. Turn turns 1921 01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:03,799 Speaker 1: out the year before that was like the Obama button 1922 01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:07,240 Speaker 1: that Ebola was eating America. I didn't know that it 1923 01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,200 Speaker 1: was on YouTube. I didn't go and so I didn't 1924 01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:11,920 Speaker 1: type what should I not press? I just played and 1925 01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:14,439 Speaker 1: so it's it locked up cities all over America and 1926 01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,760 Speaker 1: we were gonna be fine, far more than one million dollars. 1927 01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,479 Speaker 1: And what happened was, thank god, there was a station 1928 01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:22,040 Speaker 1: in California who took a piece of tone and put 1929 01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,479 Speaker 1: it in a promo and they find this station like 1930 01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:28,960 Speaker 1: ten grand and the wonderful attorn. They were like, you're 1931 01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,840 Speaker 1: gonna okay, let's look at people that are listening. You 1932 01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,080 Speaker 1: have signed, you find them ten grand, Let's look at this. 1933 01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,320 Speaker 1: You can't find us more than a million dollars. And 1934 01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,519 Speaker 1: so I had to talk to a turn. It was 1935 01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,719 Speaker 1: a brutal time. I've been through a few of those brutals. 1936 01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:40,840 Speaker 1: That was the most brutal because I thought I was 1937 01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:44,080 Speaker 1: going to watamo. I was like, well, you realize immediately 1938 01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:45,439 Speaker 1: how bad of it I think it was gonna be. 1939 01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:47,840 Speaker 1: How long did it take? I gotta call that ten 1940 01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:51,080 Speaker 1: minutes later, going hey, um, we've shut off in about 1941 01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,000 Speaker 1: seven cities, and we have cities you're not even on 1942 01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,080 Speaker 1: that are doing the same thing. I was like, weird 1943 01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:59,439 Speaker 1: because apparently one station is the key and when everybody 1944 01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,600 Speaker 1: else hears it, it's like a tone and it reacts. 1945 01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:05,360 Speaker 1: So not only were radio stations locked up and almost 1946 01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,519 Speaker 1: full cities locked up, but a t tu verse locked up. 1947 01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:10,880 Speaker 1: So what it does, and I don't have a t 1948 01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:14,280 Speaker 1: tu verse, but what it does is it goes turn 1949 01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,040 Speaker 1: to the channel five and it locks on a channel 1950 01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,040 Speaker 1: and it says you you'll have your message coming up soon. Well, 1951 01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,240 Speaker 1: I didn't play the whole tone because I wasn't playing 1952 01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:22,559 Speaker 1: the whole tone and the end of the tone is 1953 01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,120 Speaker 1: the release. So I locked it and then left it. 1954 01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:27,639 Speaker 1: So it just sat and TV speakers were busting all 1955 01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:31,360 Speaker 1: over America because it's going. It was. It was a mess, 1956 01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:33,240 Speaker 1: and I didn't know, and I gotta call going. We 1957 01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:35,640 Speaker 1: gotta shut down the satellite because this hasn't even air 1958 01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,680 Speaker 1: in the West coast yet, so they shut down the 1959 01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,680 Speaker 1: left side of the country up from my show, like 1960 01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:44,760 Speaker 1: there are a lot of cities that just it locked up, 1961 01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:48,320 Speaker 1: multiple radio stations. It was not a pretty time. I 1962 01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,360 Speaker 1: was getting deposed. It is not it is not nice. 1963 01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:54,880 Speaker 1: But I got through it. And I remember when my 1964 01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,479 Speaker 1: my the owner of our company who I'm close with 1965 01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:59,200 Speaker 1: a now Bob Pittman, we call me and goes, hey, man, 1966 01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,160 Speaker 1: would you not do that again? And when he kind 1967 01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,320 Speaker 1: of joked about it, I was like, all right, I'm good. 1968 01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:07,320 Speaker 1: But it was hanging over your head for a while. Still, 1969 01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:08,599 Speaker 1: I was hanging over my head. That's really the one 1970 01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:10,280 Speaker 1: thing where people go, what's your biggest regret. I don't 1971 01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:12,280 Speaker 1: have a lot of regrets because I've learned from stupid decisions. 1972 01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,880 Speaker 1: That's the one that I go. I learned nothing, and 1973 01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,080 Speaker 1: it was really I just I didn't know that was 1974 01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,519 Speaker 1: what I was doing. Though this is an accident. I 1975 01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:24,280 Speaker 1: really hate to that happen. He's Bobby Bones. I'm Clay Travis. 1976 01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:26,599 Speaker 1: This has been wins and losses. If you enjoy it, 1977 01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:29,760 Speaker 1: give us a rating, go or follow Bobby at Mr 1978 01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,519 Speaker 1: Bobby Bones. Right, I didn't screw that up. I'm Clay 1979 01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,200 Speaker 1: Travis at Clay Travis. Give us feedback. If you enjoyed it, 1980 01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,040 Speaker 1: check out his show. You can check out my show. 1981 01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:39,519 Speaker 1: If you like this, you'll probably like some of the 1982 01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,160 Speaker 1: others that we have done. They have to help to 1983 01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:44,960 Speaker 1: pass the time on great long drive sitting by the beach, 1984 01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:49,680 Speaker 1: need a good, informative and hopefully entertaining and helpful conversation. 1985 01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,280 Speaker 1: This has been one of them. Thanks my man. I'm 1986 01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,200 Speaker 1: pressed by you and hope we can do this again sometimes. 1987 01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:53,760 Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, man,