WEBVTT - Historical Records: Mitsuye Endo (feat. Anna Suzuki)

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<v Speaker 1>What's up, y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Quest Love and for the final Friday of Women's

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<v Speaker 2>History Month, we're releasing another episode of Historical Records my

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<v Speaker 2>new podcasts with the story Pirates. It's an explosive usion

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<v Speaker 2>of hip hop and history tailor may for music loving

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<v Speaker 2>kids and families. In today's episode, Nimini makes a brand

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<v Speaker 2>new hip hop track with special guests Anna Suzuki about

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<v Speaker 2>mitsuier Indo, a Japanese American who took her fight against

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<v Speaker 2>racism all the way to the Supreme Court, helping to

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<v Speaker 2>bring about the end of Japanese American interment during World

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<v Speaker 2>War II. This is Historical Records, the show that proves

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<v Speaker 2>that in order to make history, you have to make

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<v Speaker 2>some noise.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello? Hello? Oh you know what? Maybe I should hang out.

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<v Speaker 3>If you put this phone down, the number will be unreachable.

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<v Speaker 3>You will never speak with a representative. You will never

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<v Speaker 3>solve the problem you have called.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I guess I have to stay on.

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<v Speaker 3>You're English muffins already now transferring you to the breakfast helpline.

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<v Speaker 3>It's historical records.

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<v Speaker 1>You are now listening to historical We're called to make history.

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<v Speaker 1>You got to have struggled to make history.

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<v Speaker 5>You got to show poised, cannot be.

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<v Speaker 1>Quiet loud as a riot to make history. You gotta

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<v Speaker 1>make some noise.

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<v Speaker 6>Welcome back to historical records the show where we dig

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<v Speaker 6>into the historical records in order to produce historically themed records.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm your resident historian, Lee, and normally Niminy would do

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<v Speaker 6>this intro, but well, I came upstairs and found her

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<v Speaker 6>huddled in the corner on the phone, muttering to herself

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<v Speaker 6>and hate. Niminy must stay on the line. Hmm, she

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<v Speaker 6>can't hear me. Today's episode is about the heroic actions

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<v Speaker 6>of Mitsie Endo. But first I need to get Nimini's attention.

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<v Speaker 6>I haven't tried yelling at her yet, so I'll do

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<v Speaker 6>that now.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Nmona, I'm on the phone.

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<v Speaker 7>We have a show to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, it's just I've been trying to

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<v Speaker 1>reach customer support. We got a notice from the Secret

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<v Speaker 1>Laboratory Owners Association that said we need to prove we

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<v Speaker 1>live here by the end of the day or they'll

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<v Speaker 1>shut off our bug spray woo.

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<v Speaker 6>But the sandflies are getting bold enough as it is.

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<v Speaker 1>That got sandflies.

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<v Speaker 6>They're getting bigger too. Wait, what does proving we live

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<v Speaker 6>here even mean?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm trying to find out, but they

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<v Speaker 1>put me on hold all morning.

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<v Speaker 6>And you're using a landline phone, so it's attached to

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<v Speaker 6>the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh, yeah, I can't move very far.

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<v Speaker 6>It looks like the phone court is stretchy though you

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<v Speaker 6>might not be able to get all the way to

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<v Speaker 6>the library, but they're still another way to connect to

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<v Speaker 6>the history simulator.

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<v Speaker 1>Follow me, all right, I'll stretch the court as much

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<v Speaker 1>as I can. Okay, who's today's.

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<v Speaker 6>Episode about Midsaya Endo. She was one of around one

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<v Speaker 6>hundred and twenty thousand Japanese Americans who were detained in

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<v Speaker 6>the US internment camps.

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<v Speaker 1>Internment camp? What's that? In this case?

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<v Speaker 6>It's a prison camp that holds prisoners of war.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that doesn't sound like a nice place to be.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not.

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<v Speaker 6>But Mitsia's Supreme Court case paved the way for those

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<v Speaker 6>camps getting shut down.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. I'm kind of embarrassed to say, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know anything about all that.

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<v Speaker 6>Honestly, Nimini, not a lot of people do. She didn't

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<v Speaker 6>get a ton of attention, and she didn't ask for it.

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<v Speaker 6>Not even her kids knew what she'd done until they

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<v Speaker 6>were adults. Hold on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Way, what is this in office? How did I not

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<v Speaker 1>know about this?

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<v Speaker 6>It's the historical records backstage area. We're not really supposed

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<v Speaker 6>to use it on the show, but it's the only

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<v Speaker 6>way the phone cord will reach.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, are these exhausted looking people in ill fitting loungewear

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<v Speaker 1>are the writers of this show? They're writing everything we're

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<v Speaker 1>saying right now. I can see it happening as I'm saying, Nimini.

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<v Speaker 6>No, don't get too close to them. They'll just try

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<v Speaker 6>to give you their lunch orders. Last I am starving.

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<v Speaker 1>Run Niminie, run run. The phone cour doesn't have much

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<v Speaker 1>more gives through here. Whoa wee? This room's covered in

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<v Speaker 1>telephone wires and plugs and knots and stuff. What is

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<v Speaker 1>this some sort of old timy nineteen forties switchboard?

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<v Speaker 6>That's exactly what it is. Welcome to the History Simulator switchboard.

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<v Speaker 6>This will let us use the history simulator while staying

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<v Speaker 6>on hold.

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<v Speaker 1>So we just plug this wire into the phone and

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<v Speaker 1>then plug the other end into these they're called phone holes.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I don't spend a lot of time in

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<v Speaker 1>here either way.

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<v Speaker 6>Just plug the phone into one of the phone holes

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<v Speaker 6>and then switch to the other line. Then dial nine,

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<v Speaker 6>and then the year, and then the pound sign, and

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<v Speaker 6>we should be connected to.

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<v Speaker 1>The right time. Probably. I'm starting to see why you

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<v Speaker 1>preferred the goo okay plug switch to nine two dial nine.

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<v Speaker 6>Dial nineteen forty two.

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<v Speaker 1>One nine four two pound the rules changing.

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<v Speaker 6>It just takes a little fine tuning to build the

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<v Speaker 6>simulation this way, but we'll get there.

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<v Speaker 8>Big is an emergency broadcast. Japan has launched an attack

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<v Speaker 8>on Pearl Harbor. This marks the official entry of the

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<v Speaker 8>United States into World War two.

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<v Speaker 9>President Roosevelt has enacted Executive Order nine zero sixty six,

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<v Speaker 9>establishing the West Coast as a military zone and allowing

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<v Speaker 9>the government to relocate anyone deemed necessary.

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<v Speaker 10>Recently established more relocation authority has begun the process of

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<v Speaker 10>relocating the Japanese into internment camps, even those with American citizenship.

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<v Speaker 10>As anti Japanese sentiment has risen sharply, some have questioned

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<v Speaker 10>the legitimacy of these actions as a necessary wartime measure.

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<v Speaker 6>What were all those broadcasts just some radio cross talk.

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<v Speaker 6>We'll probably pick up a lot of that using the

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<v Speaker 6>history simulator this way.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the extra context doesn't hurt. But are we

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<v Speaker 1>in the right place? This looks like a law office.

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<v Speaker 6>It sure is. Can't beat all that natural musty smell

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<v Speaker 6>that's the smell of justice.

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<v Speaker 1>What are we doing snooping around an empty lawyer's office.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't this breaking and entering? Of course not. We didn't

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<v Speaker 1>break anything.

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<v Speaker 6>That face was broken when we got here.

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<v Speaker 1>What are we doing here?

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<v Speaker 6>This is James Purcell's office in San Francisco. He wanted

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<v Speaker 6>to challenge the legitimacy of what the US government did

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<v Speaker 6>when they removed Japanese these Americans from their homes and

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<v Speaker 6>placed them in internment camps. So he wanted to find

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<v Speaker 6>the perfect subject to put together a test case.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm guessing that perfect subject was Mitsuie Indo.

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<v Speaker 6>Bingo, which means he's done a ton of research on

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<v Speaker 6>her already. Look at these notes on his desk. They're

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<v Speaker 6>all about her life.

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<v Speaker 1>It says, nise. What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, Ni means too, and say is like life or

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<v Speaker 6>in this case generation, So Nise are second generation immigrants,

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<v Speaker 6>meaning they were born here in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, okay, that makes sense. It says Mitsuye was born

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<v Speaker 1>and raised in Sacramento, California, twenty two years old. She's

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<v Speaker 1>never been to Japan, doesn't know Japanese, has a brother

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<v Speaker 1>currently serving in the military. Not Buddhist what's that have

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<v Speaker 1>to do with anything, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>How, those broadcasts we heard said that there was a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of suspicion towards Japanese people in general that actually

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<v Speaker 6>started before the attack on Pearl Harbor. They were being

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<v Speaker 6>closely monitored just for participating in local Japanese cultural associations

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<v Speaker 6>or for simply being Buddhist.

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<v Speaker 1>So the attack on Pearl Harbor probably just accelerated that.

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<v Speaker 6>After the attack, Japanese people who had nothing to do

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<v Speaker 6>with it were affected right away. Around three hundred to

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<v Speaker 6>five hundred state employees were harassed at work until they

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<v Speaker 6>were eventually laid off just for having Japanese heritage. That

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<v Speaker 6>included Endo, who worked at the Department of Employment.

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<v Speaker 1>So Mitsuier was an American born Christian who worked for

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<v Speaker 1>the American government with the brother on active duty in

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<v Speaker 1>the American military. On paper, she sounds like the least

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<v Speaker 1>suspicious person in the world.

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<v Speaker 6>That's exactly what James Purcell was banking on. He wanted

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<v Speaker 6>to present someone who even the most suspicious judge couldn't

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<v Speaker 6>possibly describe as disloyal to the United States. By using

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<v Speaker 6>the perfect model of an American citizen, he could show

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<v Speaker 6>that the government had illegally detained people without a shured

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<v Speaker 6>of proof that they were enemies of the US.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happened next? He went to talk to her.

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<v Speaker 6>Funnily enough, they never met in in real life. They

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<v Speaker 6>mostly communicated through official correspondence, which is why it's up

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<v Speaker 6>to the two of us to deliver this letter to her.

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<v Speaker 1>Us. What happened to the mailman?

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<v Speaker 6>The mailman smashed a vase right before we got here

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<v Speaker 6>and went on the run, So it's up to us

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<v Speaker 6>to finish the job.

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<v Speaker 1>Lee, I saw you smash the base. Whose side are

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<v Speaker 1>you on here?

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<v Speaker 6>Just dial the code for two Lee Lake and let's

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<v Speaker 6>deliver this letter.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, uh so it's.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Dial nine nine and then put in the area code.

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<v Speaker 6>So five zero three five zero three star one nine

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<v Speaker 6>four to two star one nine four two.

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<v Speaker 8>The Touley Lake relocation set her posting over eighteen thousand residents,

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<v Speaker 8>all living in close quarters, complete with eight foot high

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<v Speaker 8>double fences, minos of barbed wire, and thousands of bombed guards.

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<v Speaker 8>You'll feel secure knowing you can't leave.

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<v Speaker 11>Have you filled out your loyalty questionnaire? Simply answer yes

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<v Speaker 11>to thirty quick questions and you'll learn back our trust,

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<v Speaker 11>prove that you're worthy of lee camps by pledging your

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<v Speaker 11>willingness to renounce the Japanese ever and to serve in

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<v Speaker 11>our military Habeas corpus.

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<v Speaker 9>It's a legal document protesting an un lawful attainment.

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<v Speaker 10>By requesting an appearance in front of a court or judge.

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<v Speaker 7>If you've been relocated.

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<v Speaker 8>Against your will, this just might be the right legal

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<v Speaker 8>move for you.

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<v Speaker 1>What was that propaganda ads?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, from the sound of it, this internment camp, the

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<v Speaker 6>loyalty questionnaires, they were blatant actions to limit the freedoms

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<v Speaker 6>of Japanese Americans that the government still tried to paint

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<v Speaker 6>the picture that they were doing it for the good

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<v Speaker 6>of the country.

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<v Speaker 1>And that last one about habeas corpus, that's what we're

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<v Speaker 1>here to deliver to Endo, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>The case hinges on the fact that bringing her and

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<v Speaker 6>everyone else to the camps without a trial violated their

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<v Speaker 6>constitutional rights.

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<v Speaker 1>This place really is intimidating. It's entirely fenced in. There's

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<v Speaker 1>barbed wire as far as the eye can see. And

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't kidding about the armed guards. Are you sure

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<v Speaker 1>we can be in here? Look at our outfits.

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<v Speaker 6>We're just as mailmen now and as far as this

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<v Speaker 6>historical simulation goes, mail men are allowed to be anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>You take a lot of liberties with your stimulations.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, hey, I don't tell you how to do your job,

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<v Speaker 6>even though I think your songs could stand to use

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<v Speaker 6>a little more tambourine.

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<v Speaker 1>Excuse me? Are you two mail men lost? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>mitsuier endo? I am? What can I do for you?

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<v Speaker 6>Actually, we were sent here to deliver this letter to you. Oh,

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<v Speaker 6>thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>Hmmm, if I'm understanding this correctly, mister Purcell is asking

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<v Speaker 4>for my help to sue the US government.

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<v Speaker 6>We know it's a lot of responsibility, but I'll do it.

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<v Speaker 4>Really, simple as that, simple as that. We were all

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<v Speaker 4>brought here without any sort of trial. But by using

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<v Speaker 4>me we can show them that what they've done to

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<v Speaker 4>us is wrong. If this can help everyone else out,

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<v Speaker 4>then there's no question about it.

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<v Speaker 6>I have to do it. We thought you'd say that.

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<v Speaker 6>We'll let mister Purcell know right away.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope it's a quick process.

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<v Speaker 1>Up, Please excuse me, I have to get to the

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<v Speaker 1>mess hall. It was nice to meet you. It was

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<v Speaker 1>nice meeting you too. She knows it won't be a

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<v Speaker 1>quick process, doesn't she.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And not just because she used to be a

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<v Speaker 6>government employee. Her case will be delayed, dismissed, and worked around.

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<v Speaker 1>You mean they're gonna try to get her to drop

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<v Speaker 1>the case.

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<v Speaker 6>Yep, and this place to Lee Lake. It's gonna get worse.

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<v Speaker 6>The conditions are gonna reach the point where Endo wishes

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<v Speaker 6>that she could leave, and the war Relocation Authority starts

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<v Speaker 6>cutting deals that let people in midsea situation relocate outside

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<v Speaker 6>of California. But if she leaves the state, the court

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<v Speaker 6>no longer has jurisdiction over her case and it'll be dropped.

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<v Speaker 1>So she'll refuse the chance to get out of here.

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<v Speaker 6>Because just like she said, she's gonna do the thing

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<v Speaker 6>that helps people, no matter how difficult it gets.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me guess they'll find a way to move her anyway.

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<v Speaker 6>Her case will be dismissed and they'll move her to Utah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my head hurts from all the legal system logistics.

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<v Speaker 1>How'd our case ever make it to the Supreme Court?

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<v Speaker 6>You mean because we never went back to relay her

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<v Speaker 6>message to Purcell.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a simulation.

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<v Speaker 6>Any a different mailman went back to tell him, probably

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<v Speaker 6>after he apologized for smashing that priceless face with your fingerprints.

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<v Speaker 1>All over it. My fingerprints.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I planted your fingerprints on it so I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 6>get blamed.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a crime?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Not in my simulation, it's not.

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<v Speaker 6>Forget the vase, you're the one fixating on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I meant, how did her case make it to the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court? After all that?

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<v Speaker 6>James Purcell filed an appeal and made sure it got

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<v Speaker 6>elevated all the way there here, let me dial us

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<v Speaker 6>in nine nineteen forty four pound pound star number pad smash.

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<v Speaker 8>In the case of Hirobayashi versus the United States, in

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<v Speaker 8>the case.

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<v Speaker 9>Of Yusui versus the United States, in the case of

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<v Speaker 9>Kormonts versus the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>What were those other cases?

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<v Speaker 6>They were the three other challenges to the internment camps

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<v Speaker 6>that made it to the Supreme Court, but they all failed.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't sound good. I'm guessing we're at the Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 9>Then.

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<v Speaker 1>What gave it away?

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<v Speaker 6>The nine Supreme Court justices glaring at us, Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 6>was it.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we even be in here?

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<v Speaker 7>You too, the mailman, You shouldn't be in here, your honor.

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<v Speaker 6>We were in here to deliver a letter, but we

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<v Speaker 6>accidentally superglued our butts to the seats. Is it okay

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<v Speaker 6>if we just observe the rest of the proceedings while

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<v Speaker 6>we wait for someone to unbolt our seats from the

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<v Speaker 6>ground and carry us home.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know what to say to that, but we're

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<v Speaker 7>running short on time, so I'll allow it. Let's move

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<v Speaker 7>on to our final decision on mitsuye Endo versus the

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<v Speaker 7>United States. We are of the view that mitsuye Endo

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<v Speaker 7>should be given her liberty, for we conclude that whatever

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<v Speaker 7>power the War Relocation Authority may have to de tell

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<v Speaker 7>other classes of citizens, it has no authority to subject

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<v Speaker 7>citizens who are concededly loyal to its leave procedure.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait. That means she won, right she did.

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<v Speaker 6>Out of the four cases elevated to the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 6>surrounding the issues of Japanese internment, hers was the only

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<v Speaker 6>case that was ruled in favor of the plaintiff. After this,

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<v Speaker 6>President Roosevelt reversed the executive order and citizens were allowed

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<v Speaker 6>to go home.

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<v Speaker 1>But a court ruling's not like waving a magic wand

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<v Speaker 1>is it. It doesn't just change back everything that went wrong.

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<v Speaker 6>No, And unlike the super glue I put on our pants,

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<v Speaker 6>its effect isn't immediate Endo stayed in the camp for

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<v Speaker 6>another five months to look after her parents, and after that, well,

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<v Speaker 6>it's not like the communities that most of these people

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<v Speaker 6>were kicked out of didn't suddenly stop being suspicious of

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<v Speaker 6>Japanese Americans. A lot of people didn't even have homes

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<v Speaker 6>to return to.

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<v Speaker 1>I can imagine I wouldn't go back to that. It

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't have been easy finding new housing or jobs after

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<v Speaker 1>being ripped away and then kept away for all that time.

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<v Speaker 6>She actually never even went back to California. Eventually she

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<v Speaker 6>made her way to Chicago. She wanted to put this

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<v Speaker 6>whole thing behind her, like I'm sure a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>others did, including the US government itself.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean dial nine and then nineteen eighty eight? Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty eight, as in forty years later? Mm hmmugh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>huh a conference room, Hanna.

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<v Speaker 6>Is that the president of the Screen Actors Guild Ronald Reagan? Yes,

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<v Speaker 6>but in nineteen eighty eight, Ronald Reagan was also the.

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<v Speaker 1>President of the United States.

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<v Speaker 6>Did you notice that the language in the Supreme Court's

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<v Speaker 6>ruling didn't mention racial discrimination.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, now that I think about it, it just

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<v Speaker 1>said that the government couldn't detain people who were decidedly loyal.

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<v Speaker 1>So was that how Indo could in her case while

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<v Speaker 1>the other cases were all struck down exactly.

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<v Speaker 6>This press conference with former ZAG President Reagan is the

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<v Speaker 6>first time that the US is officially apologizing to the

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<v Speaker 6>one hundred and twenty thousand Japanese Americans who were wrongfully detained.

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<v Speaker 12>Yet we must recognize that the internment of Japanese Americans

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<v Speaker 12>was just that a mistake. For throughout the war, Japanese

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<v Speaker 12>Americans in the tens of thousands remained utterly loyal to

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<v Speaker 12>the United.

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<v Speaker 6>States better late than ever, I guess remember the other

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<v Speaker 6>three cases, Hirabayashi, Yasui, and Korematsu. Losing those cases wasn't

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<v Speaker 6>just a loss for Japanese Americans, but also for those

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<v Speaker 6>three individuals. They were technically considered convicts, which is something

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<v Speaker 6>that makes it pretty hard to find a job. Even

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<v Speaker 6>after this apology, it wouldn't be until twenty eighteen that

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<v Speaker 6>those three cases officially got overturned, clearing their names. Twenty eighteen, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>forty more years.

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<v Speaker 1>But for now, let's get back to the lab.

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<v Speaker 6>Switch back to line one.

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<v Speaker 13>Lee.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that technically we saw Indo win her case.

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<v Speaker 6>But I know nineteen forty two all the way to

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<v Speaker 6>twenty eighteen, history is full of regrettable decisions and mistakes

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<v Speaker 6>of things that still need to be acknowledged and corrected.

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<v Speaker 1>But if things move that slowly, how are any of

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<v Speaker 1>us supposed to change anything?

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<v Speaker 6>It does seem daunting and complicated and overwhelming. But the

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<v Speaker 6>things we actually do, our actions, those can be simple.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you mean Midsea.

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<v Speaker 6>Endo didn't set out to change the world. She was

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<v Speaker 6>just offered a chance to do what was right. Someone

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<v Speaker 6>said to her, we need you to play a part.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you do that? And she said yes?

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<v Speaker 6>And she said yes, She took a small quiet action,

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<v Speaker 6>stayed determined, and that set everything else in motion. Winning

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<v Speaker 6>her case effectively led to the end of the internment

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<v Speaker 6>camp and made way for the reversals of the other

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<v Speaker 6>three cases decades later.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like she said, if it helps other people, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>do it. Even if the system itself is imperfect, it's

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<v Speaker 1>people who ultimately make sure it works. And people will

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<v Speaker 1>make mistakes and corrections and try their best to do

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<v Speaker 1>what's right, even if it takes a long time.

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<v Speaker 6>Speaking of taking a long time, you got a song for.

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<v Speaker 1>Us or what you bet I do? All right, everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>it's time to celebrate smid City eight in those heroic

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<v Speaker 1>actions with this brand new trek.

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<v Speaker 14>Well the Empire of the Just on the Red, Light

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<v Speaker 14>and Blue the bat was run by the batty. Outcome

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<v Speaker 14>was that you enjoying World War two and the theater?

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<v Speaker 1>Or are the subjects of Mendia chung.

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<v Speaker 5>But the song will explore, how are you as sure

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<v Speaker 5>something destardbly happened at home? At the time Japanese on

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<v Speaker 5>the West end of America had that loyalties question.

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<v Speaker 1>Franklin Roosebelm did the.

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<v Speaker 5>Worst with his best friend and declared to Congress and

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<v Speaker 5>the world that if you de said did from the

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<v Speaker 5>land of the Yen, you were now an alien. Doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>matter citizen order fors or second gent to the men,

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<v Speaker 5>you're subject to the acts of sedition laws with the

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<v Speaker 5>terrible tradition. So the Usnate trips were on a mission

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<v Speaker 5>to round up the Nisay and he say in prisons

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<v Speaker 5>against the will and without any discernment.

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<v Speaker 1>Thus began the policy that we not all internment.

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<v Speaker 13>They said free, but then they roved humans their humanity.

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<v Speaker 13>So I asked, how can you a fight when you

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<v Speaker 13>lost that wage made internment condenses.

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<v Speaker 5>The camps are intense.

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<v Speaker 8>It's at test to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be ripped from your home.

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<v Speaker 5>Gomard wire offences and armguard defenses who shoot you if

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<v Speaker 5>you try to go. When pressures oppressive, some books get inventive.

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<v Speaker 5>They look for that opposite force.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they won't be pensive. They're on the offensive. And

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<v Speaker 1>they saw recourse in the courts the Japanese.

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<v Speaker 5>American Citizens League, not the American in their citizenry. You

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<v Speaker 5>wanted to challenge Roosevelt politically, and we're certain that a

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<v Speaker 5>journey again judge will agree. So three men, Gordon and

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<v Speaker 5>Rabbay Yashi, Fred Koremats and Minova Yasubi had a law degree.

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<v Speaker 5>They thought possibly that they could stop this central city

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<v Speaker 5>with honesty. But they got popped in the job by hypocrisy,

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<v Speaker 5>lost their steam, dropped to it not for three and

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<v Speaker 5>it backed up where they didn't wanna be, in turn,

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<v Speaker 5>in turn interminably in.

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<v Speaker 1>Free There are some the striving for the y I ask,

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<v Speaker 1>how can you fight when you're down?

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<v Speaker 5>Even so, World War two rages conflict of the ages.

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<v Speaker 5>The people in turn still strive to bring from their

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<v Speaker 5>cages and start on new pages. But that dream is

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<v Speaker 5>barely alive for sell their esquires, getting real tired of

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<v Speaker 5>looking for our cases that can go until he's inspired

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<v Speaker 5>by someone who's fired and her name to an Endo

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<v Speaker 5>Kendo born in Sacramento, was employed by the State Board,

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<v Speaker 5>but then wistftly let go after the harber abtexts, which

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<v Speaker 5>director they counter acts.

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<v Speaker 1>The spirit of most US manifesto. They case the court

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<v Speaker 1>on a Habeus written, but the judge.

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<v Speaker 5>In a thing that her case was legit, but the

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<v Speaker 5>US government knew something else about it, so they overmade

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<v Speaker 5>him just for only her, and she said no way.

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<v Speaker 1>More years locked in the fort.

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<v Speaker 5>Waiting until she reached the Supreme Court, debating, this is

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<v Speaker 5>the price they make you pay for freedom makes a

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<v Speaker 5>taste even swat when you really be one find day free.

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<v Speaker 5>We will when they try to take ar humanity. Remember

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<v Speaker 5>this Humastos fine for etecting all human rights is the

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<v Speaker 5>only thing as well.

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<v Speaker 9>She won.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, She made him, made him.

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<v Speaker 5>One bind day free. We will not one day try

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<v Speaker 5>to take humanity ember.

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<v Speaker 14>This is hi efecting.

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<v Speaker 7>All right, is the only thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back after a few words for the

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<v Speaker 1>grown ups. All right, what a great song. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot better than the hold music.

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<v Speaker 6>You're still on hold?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's why I've been holding the phone and gets

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<v Speaker 1>my ear the whole time.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, I thought you just forgot how to put things down.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes more sense, though. I'm okay with this though.

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<v Speaker 1>If I've learned anything from today, it's that even small,

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<v Speaker 1>simple actions can bring about great change. I'm responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>this secret Lab, and if the only thing I need

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<v Speaker 1>to do to prevent it from being swarmed by ever growing,

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<v Speaker 1>probably bloodthirsty sandflies is to stay on the line, then

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just have to stay on the line for as

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<v Speaker 1>long as it it's ringing, it's ringing. Oh, thank goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm being connected.

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<v Speaker 7>Message may be recorded for quality assurance purposes.

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<v Speaker 9>Hello, you've reached customer service.

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<v Speaker 1>To whom am I speaking, Niminy.

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<v Speaker 10>Let me just pull up your account.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, I see you right here.

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<v Speaker 1>How can I help you today, Niminy? I got a

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<v Speaker 1>letter that said I need to prove that I live

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<v Speaker 1>in the Secret Lab, do you yes? Okay, let me

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<v Speaker 1>just update that in the system. Okay, Oh, look at that.

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<v Speaker 14>It was already in there.

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<v Speaker 11>Someone must have forgotten to relink the spreadsheet to the database.

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<v Speaker 7>Guilty.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess you didn't need to call in today after all.

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<v Speaker 1>Great, so you won't shut off our bugspray. Oh you're

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<v Speaker 1>the lab with the sand flies.

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<v Speaker 6>We've actually got a pool going on. How long you

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<v Speaker 6>can hold them off?

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<v Speaker 9>But I can transfer you over to the bugs department

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<v Speaker 9>if you want to.

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<v Speaker 7>Speak to them.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, no no, we're fine. Just keep

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<v Speaker 1>the bug spray off, no problem.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm glad I was.

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<v Speaker 6>Able to help you out today.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, if you wouldn't mind taking a short

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<v Speaker 3>survey to rate your experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Whew, I'm glad that's finally over with listeners. What you

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<v Speaker 1>just heard was a maleman from the nineteen forties, rush

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<v Speaker 1>in here and smash my phone. He's out there somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>But the important thing to note is that I neeminy

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<v Speaker 1>am not at fault. Okay, that's it for today's season finale, listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't thank you enough for tuning in to this

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<v Speaker 1>season of historical records. Combining history and hip hop has

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<v Speaker 1>always been my dream, So thank you for being brave

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<v Speaker 1>enough to witness my experiment. I learned about so many

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<v Speaker 1>extraordinary luminaries, and yet it's just the tip of the Iceberg.

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<v Speaker 1>There are so many more. Maybe you can even find

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<v Speaker 1>some of your own and write a song about them.

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<v Speaker 1>Because remember, to make history, you gotta make some noise.

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<v Speaker 1>Niminy Out.

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<v Speaker 10>Historical Records is produced in partnership with Story Pirate Studios,

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<v Speaker 10>Questlove's two one five Entertainment John Glickman and iHeart Podcasts

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<v Speaker 10>Executive produced by Emir Questlove Thompson, John Glickman, Lee Overtree

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<v Speaker 10>and Benjamin Salga. Executive produced for iHeart Podcasts by Noel Brown.

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<v Speaker 10>Producers for Story Pirate Studios are Isabella Riccio, Sam Bear,

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<v Speaker 10>Eric Gerson, Andrew Miller, Lee Overtree, Peter McNerney and niminy Ware.

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<v Speaker 10>Producers for two one five are Sean g Brittany Benjamin

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<v Speaker 10>and Zara Zolman. Hosted by niminy Ware. Our head writer

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<v Speaker 10>is Duke Doyle. Our historians are Gabe Pacheco and Lee Polus.

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<v Speaker 10>Music supervision for two one five by Stroe Elliott. Scoring

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<v Speaker 10>and music supervision for Story Pirate Studios by Eric Gerson.

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<v Speaker 10>Sound design and mixing by Sam Bear at the Relic

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<v Speaker 10>Room in New York City. Additional recording by Brett Tuban.

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<v Speaker 10>Song mastering by Josh Han theme song by Dan Foster

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<v Speaker 10>and Eric Gerson and produced by Eric Erson. Production coordination

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<v Speaker 10>by Isabel Riccio, Production management by Maggie Lee. The line

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<v Speaker 10>producer for Story Pired Studios is Glynnis Brault. Pr for

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<v Speaker 10>Story Pired Studios is provided by Naomi Shaw. Episode artwork

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<v Speaker 10>by Camilla Franklin. This episode was written by Minswe Karami.

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<v Speaker 10>The song mitsuya Endo was written by Dan Foster, produced

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<v Speaker 10>by Micah James and associate produced and vocal directed by

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<v Speaker 10>Eric Gerson. Special guest Anna Suzuki. This episode features performances

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<v Speaker 10>by Chris Ferry, Caroline Lux, Peter McNerney, Lee Overtree, and

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<v Speaker 10>Lee Polas