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Speaker 3: Here, you are listening to our third episode in this

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Speaker 3: I'm sitting down with Fiona O'Keefe. She is a pro athlete,

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Speaker 2: How are we doing today?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say on my journaling is fairly unstructured.

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Speaker 3: What do you think right now are your biggest non negotiables?

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Speaker 3: We talked about those nine hours of sleep, obviously important

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question. I guess seeing you out

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that word priorities and being straight with what yours

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, Like I think, if you are trying to

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Speaker 1: try to live up to like what you perceive as

442
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Speaker 1: these external expectations. And then if that, you know, takes

443
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Speaker 1: you away from what you know to be true and

444
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: what really makes you feel connected to your own purpose,

445
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: I feel like that's never a good path to go down.

446
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's not. It's not.

447
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 3: And to have that foresight and that approach is one

448
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 3: that can only help you in this big of a year. Again,

449
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 3: knowing that there is so much pressure, so many eyes,

450
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: how do you give back to you?

451
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: How do you handle that?

452
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 3: As I'm sure it's been a learning process over the

453
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Speaker 3: last few months.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say like I'm actively learning that right now. Yeah.

455
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Speaker 1: I feel like one big thing for me is trying

456
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Speaker 1: to just be more open with people in my life

457
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: and talk about how I'm feeling more, even if it's

458
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Speaker 1: not like all the time as positive as as I

459
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: would like, or I feel like I should feel like, Oh,

460
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: I should feel amazing, I'm going to the Olympic. But

461
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: sometimes the pressure is there, and you know, I do

462
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: have a sense of these external expectations. But yeah, just

463
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: trying to not hold things quite so close to my

464
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: chest and be a little more open and willing to

465
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Speaker 1: talk about things has been helpful.

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Speaker 3: It sounds helpful. It also sounds difficult to get there,

467
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 3: right Yeah, definitely, because you don't always want to admit

468
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 3: when you're not good or great, or that you don't

469
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Speaker 3: have it all in the bag.

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Speaker 2: I know recently you were in New.

471
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Speaker 3: York and you were going to run the ten k

472
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Speaker 3: and you decided, I don't think this is best for

473
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Speaker 3: my body right now. That's an example of you listening

474
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Speaker 3: to your body and putting yourself first despite expectations.

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Speaker 2: But how did that feel for you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was like it was a tough

477
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Speaker 1: call to make, especially just because I do love racing,

478
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Speaker 1: like I would have loved to be out there. But

479
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Speaker 1: I guess like it felt tough in the moment, but

480
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: also like the right decision. So you know, when you

481
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Speaker 1: make a decision that's like respecting yourself, it ends up

482
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Speaker 1: feeling better after, I guess. And then the people in

483
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: New York were all like super cool about it, very accommodating.

484
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: So usually, like I find that people do respect it

485
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: when you're making those calls that are right for you.

486
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

487
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the last thing also that the people that

488
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 3: care about you, the real ones, want for you to do,

489
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 3: is do something that could jeopardize your body or be

490
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 3: detrimental to your mental health, right, And I think so

491
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: often so many of us act in this people pleasing way.

492
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: You said the word should before, and in reality that

493
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 3: word should isn't one that's going to help you exercise

494
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: your boundaries.

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Speaker 1: Right yeah.

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00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, So for you, now, what does the rest of

497
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 3: the road look like? I know you're traveling right now,

498
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 3: You're in Vancouver. Do you have any downtime? Is that

499
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: even a word in your vocabulary? With what we've got

500
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Speaker 3: going on here?

501
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: Not too much downtime, No, But yeah, after this, I'll

502
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: head to Eugene for team processing, so I'll probably get

503
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: to watch a little bit of the trials too, which

504
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: will be exciting, and then the plan is to go

505
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Speaker 1: to Altitude after that and then over to Europe from there.

506
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Speaker 3: What would you say is the event that you're most

507
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: excited to spectate at the Trials?

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00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: Well, I have some teammates running the fifteen and the

509
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: five and the ten actually, so I'm really just excited

510
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: to support them, hopefully, I hope I'll be there for

511
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: their races.

512
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Speaker 3: Do you feel any kind of way about the fact

513
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Speaker 3: that you're not on the track.

514
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Speaker 1: I got to do a little bit of track earlier

515
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: this spring. I ran one track ten thousand and that

516
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 1: was fun, so a little bit of a sense of fomo,

517
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: But also I know I need to be focused on

518
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: the longer stuff right now. So yeah, mixed emotions. I guess,

519
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: mixed emotions.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So what would you say excites you the most

521
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 3: about the fact that you will be competing this summer?

522
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Speaker 1: I guess just getting to have that experience on the

523
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: world stage. Is really exciting to see how like all

524
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Speaker 1: of us as a team can line up together and

525
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: kind of execute on that stage. Because I'm really excited

526
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: about the group that we're sending, I think a really

527
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: strong team. And yeah, it's been a lot of fun,

528
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: like getting to know Emily and Dakoto a little bit more,

529
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: and yeah, I feel like they both have such good

530
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: experience at the marathon that I honestly have so much

531
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Speaker 1: to learn from both of them.

532
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: You three a part of a team, and you're also competitors.

533
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: For you you.

534
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Speaker 3: Talked about the value of opening up about how you

535
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: feel sharing those real sentiments. Do you feel comfortable opening

536
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: up in that way with them? Do you feel as

537
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 3: though that level of vulnerability has served you.

538
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. I mean, like going to New York City,

539
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: it was a small thing, but I did have to,

540
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, be there and be honest with them about

541
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Speaker 1: you know, what's going on with my leg and everything,

542
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: and you know, just taking a step back and not racing,

543
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: and they were great. So I feel like sometimes it

544
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: can feel scari or vulnerable to be a little bit

545
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: more open, But in general, like the running community is great.

546
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: Most people mean well and they're not going to use

547
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: things against you, So I would rather be a little

548
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: but like overly trusting of people in general, I would.

549
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: Say, yeah, just believing in the good in humanity.

550
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: You know, I agree with you about what you said

551
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: about how awesome the team is for the women's marathon.

552
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: I know there was some concern or just feelings or

553
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: just like oh my heart when Kira didn't make the team,

554
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: But overall, I do feel like there's so much goodness

555
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: that comes from young women stepping up within sport and

556
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: also the opportunity to bring about new fans as well.

557
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: On that note of supporting women being excited about other women,

558
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: do you have any athletes that you're following along with

559
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: that inspire you motivate that you can't wait to see

560
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: in Paris?

561
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: Oh? I guess like as a as a Stanford alum,

562
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm very excited to see Katie Ldecki in the swimming events,

563
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: and then in other sports. I definitely like always watch gymnastics,

564
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: so it'll be fun to see whatever that team is,

565
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: and then of course on the track, like always looking

566
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: at the at the distance stuff. But yeah, there's there's

567
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: so many people to look up to, so it'll be

568
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: really fun to see what goes down.

569
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Speaker 3: They say that you always remember your first your first

570
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: marathon a bit more hectic than the usual person's first marathon.

571
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: Do you remember the ins and outs of that race

572
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: or is it just that is it all a blur?

573
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: I'd say it's both, Like, I definitely do you remember it,

574
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: But I've also like talked through it so many times

575
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: that they say, you know, I think they say that

576
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: each time you like revisit a memory, you change it

577
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: a little bit. Oh, so I'm wondering if like my

578
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: memory is fully I figured at this point, I feel

579
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: like I've relived that race so many times.

580
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 3: Do you enjoy reliving it or do you feel like

581
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: that you're ready to stop?

582
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Speaker 1: It was definitely like really fun at first, but at

583
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: this point I feel like I do need to move on.

584
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 3: You're like, I've graduated from this moment, so we all

585
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: need to graduate from this moment.

586
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

587
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 3: What would you say has been the biggest hurdle or

588
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: most difficult part about this build for you?

589
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: Probably just dealing with that external noise a little bit

590
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: and trying to to bring things back to like a

591
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: simpler version of what they are, I guess, and this

592
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: is only my second marathon that I'm getting ready for,

593
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: so kind of, you know, balancing that expectation with still

594
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: like feeling relatively young and inexperienced in this event.

595
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Speaker 2: Success has so many definitions.

596
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,239
Speaker 3: If you had to define what success would feel like

597
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: and look like for you in Paris, and those could

598
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: be different things, what is it for you?

599
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: I mean it's totally cliche, but if I can walk

600
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: away from that race knowing that I gave it everything

601
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: that I had on the day, I feel like that's

602
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: all you can ever ask. Especially in the marathon, there

603
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: are so many factors that you know can be out

604
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: of your control. So I guess that's kind of what

605
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: it would feel like. I would also like to feel

606
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: like I executed a smart plan on that race course,

607
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: because I think that could play a huge role in

608
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: the outcome there. And then what it looks like. I mean,

609
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 1: I hope that I'm not limiting myself and just going

610
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: out there and competing with everyone I know that you

611
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: know there's going to be I think the world record

612
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: holder is in our race, and the Kenyan and Ethiopian

613
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: teams are really strong. But I would love to place

614
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: as high as I can. I think, you know, our

615
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,479
Speaker 1: team collectively could be pretty high up there.

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00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that.

617
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 3: And it's hard right when you're in this place where

618
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 3: you're trying to accept the things that you cannot control,

619
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 3: and the marathon is certainly an event where there are

620
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: a lot of things that are quite unpredictable. What has

621
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: your journey been like to getting to a place where

622
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 3: you're a little bit better at accepting the uncontrollable.

623
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Speaker 1: I think that talking to other women who've run the

624
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: marathon before definitely helped me with that. Like my coach Amy,

625
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: and then my coaches also trained like Rose Hervey and

626
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: sarahvon So I spoke with them a good amount going

627
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: into the trials and just hearing things that had gone awry,

628
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: like whether it was in a build up or in

629
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Speaker 1: a race, like Rose told me like, oh yeah, in Chicago,

630
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: I missed like half my bottles because I like something

631
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: went wrong with them or I don't remember exactly what

632
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: it was, but anyway, just and she still ran like

633
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: two twenty three, which was like a huge performance for her.

634
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: So just hearing stories of people like, you know, having

635
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: these great results even when it didn't look perfect to

636
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: get there has been really reassuring.

637
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 3: I guess in practice, I want to like break it

638
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 3: down even more because I think so many people can

639
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 3: relate to this, right And we're not just talking about

640
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: running a marathon. We're talking about like sitting at your

641
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: desk and you're in a meeting and like the zoom,

642
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: something messes up, or I don't know, like you're walking

643
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: down the stairs and you like snag your dress on

644
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 3: something and it rips and you have to like change

645
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 3: into a new dress that you didn't want to wear.

646
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: Who knows.

647
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: We every day go through things that are uncontrollable. I'm

648
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: really curious about, like the mental pivot that happens for you.

649
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 3: Do you flip a switch and start to focus or

650
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: try to focus on the good in a moment where

651
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 3: things are going wrong or what happens for you?

652
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I try to take the focus away

653
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 1: from the outcome and just focus on what I can

654
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: do in that moment. So I guess, like in all workout,

655
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: if it's like Okay, that split was really off, then

656
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, I'm going to focus on my turnover

657
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: and my breathing for the next rep and just see

658
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: where that gets me, or just start telling myself, like

659
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 1: trying to feed positive thoughts instead of getting thrown off

660
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: by this one thing that's happened.

661
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

662
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Speaker 3: I love that concept of choosing smaller things to focus on,

663
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 3: because that big idea whatever is going on can feel

664
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: really overwhelming. It's the same with goal setting, right, Like

665
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: if you break down your big goals into smaller, smart goals,

666
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 3: then you can feel more momentum, feel more accomplished on

667
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 3: the journey, because some of these journeys, some of these goals,

668
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: whatever it is that you're going after, like give me

669
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 3: a long process. So if you don't take the time

670
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: to celebrate the small moments along the way or dial

671
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 3: into the small things that are within your control, then

672
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: of course the whole thing is going to feel really overwhelming.

673
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely. And then like if you get to

674
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Speaker 1: the end and you don't have the result that you

675
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: have and all that you cared about was the outcome

676
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: the whole time, then it's then it's really tough if

677
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: it's if it's not up to your expectations. But if

678
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: you were able to, you know, break things down, like

679
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: you said, into more what I think of as like

680
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: process goals and knowing that you know you kind of

681
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: not sound corny, but like made yourself proud along the

682
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: way and like all those little pocisions, then you know,

683
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: whatever the result is going to be, at the end

684
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: of the day, you can walk away and be okay

685
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: with yourself because you know that you improved, even if

686
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: the result on paper isn't exactly what you wanted.

687
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 3: So what have the process goals been for you in

688
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 3: this build up to arguably one of the biggest goals

689
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 3: within sport.

690
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's just been like trying

691
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: to get the routine down really well and try to

692
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: be honestly more flexible has been a big thing for me,

693
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: just with more of the travel and knowing that it

694
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: has been like a long build up, so trying to

695
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: just roll with it a little bit more and have

696
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: a little bit more mental flexibility around training and workouts

697
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: and that kind of thing, and just keep more perspective.

698
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, for the everyday marathon or you know,

699
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: the non elite, they will typically do something or we

700
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 3: I associate with this person would typically do something like

701
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 3: a fourteen sixteen, maybe even a twenty week cycle.

702
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: Gearing up for a big race.

703
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 3: Now you've had much longer than that since the trials

704
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: leading in to when you will be racing in August.

705
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: So what does the quote unquote cycle look like for you?

706
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so by now we're kind of in the in

707
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: the thinke of like the marathon specific stuff more so.

708
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: But it has been kind of a build to get here,

709
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: Like coming off of the trials, I did take a

710
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: little downtime and then we kind of just got into

711
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: very basic training. I had a little ten kid block

712
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: in there, so it was just kind of trying to

713
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: find ways to like chop it up and focus on

714
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: some smaller stuff along the way. So it wasn't all

715
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: just like okay, now we have it would have been

716
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: what like five months from March. Now we have five

717
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 1: months to get ready. Like that sounds kind of daunting.

718
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

719
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: But again back to that breaking it up, right, taking

720
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 3: that time off and then doing other smaller cycles leading

721
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: up to this main chunk that you're in. I'm sure

722
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 3: it helped make it feel a little bit less intimidating.

723
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely, especially like coming from I still consider

724
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: myself as like relatively new to the marathon, like coming

725
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: from that track background, where you do have like more

726
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: feedback along the way and you're never thinking in terms

727
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: of like even a twelve week cycle on the track,

728
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: things like come up much more quickly.

729
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite workout?

730
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: I really like long run workouts usually it just because like,

731
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: if I'm going to be out there for that long,

732
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: it's a lot more fun to get to run marathon pace.

733
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: So we do one that's like a mix of tempo

734
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: like around marathon pace and fartle like a little faster usually,

735
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: So I like that one because you kind of go

736
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: back and forth between the two, so you get to

737
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: feel smooth and then it's hard and then you have

738
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: to try to dial back in.

739
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: You signed with Puma in twenty twenty one. Talk to

740
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 3: us about how that felt at the time.

741
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean at the time, it was like kind

742
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: of a crazy time in the world with COVID and everything.

743
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: I was in school at New Mexico at the time,

744
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: but I was finding that I was really just enjoying

745
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: the running piece a little bit more than the school far.

746
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: And then the coach there, Joe Franklin, kind of introduced

747
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: me to a couple of different agents and I started

748
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: having those conversations with different pro groups, and in December

749
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, I ran the Trials qualifying time in the

750
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: track ten k. That was kind of what allowed me,

751
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: I think, to really have the opportunity to be like, Okay,

752
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't have an NCAA title to my name, but

753
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: I still think that I will have more opportunities at

754
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: this next level. And then with the Pima group, it

755
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: was like this exciting new thing that was happening out

756
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: in North Carolina, and it was just really cool to

757
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: me hearing the vision that Alistair and Amy had for

758
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: the group, and my old coach from Stanford too, Chris Meltenberg,

759
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: had been out in North Carolina for a few years

760
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: and just had really great things to say about the

761
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: area and the training there. So I felt like, Okay,

762
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: like I have nothing to lose, I may as well

763
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: go for it.

764
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 3: Intimidating, exciting, scared share emotions that come hand in hand

765
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 3: with signing your first professional contract.

766
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was definitely like a little bit intimidated. I

767
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: had so many questions about the contract itself, and.

768
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine.

769
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like you feel like you're signing your life

770
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: away a little bit. But I did at the same time,

771
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: trust the people that I was working with. My agent,

772
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: Tom Ratcliffe is like a really good guy, and I

773
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: knew he was looking out for me. So yeah, it

774
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: was scary, but it was also exciting and it's kind

775
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, well, we'll see how this goes, you know, like, yeah,

776
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: this is my shot and I wanted to take it.

777
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 3: So And how has it felt to be a Puma

778
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 3: athlete as you've now segued into this next major career milestone.

779
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 3: Have the obligations shifted? Are you getting your own sneaker?

780
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 2: Like Fiona?

781
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: Well, I do feel like Puma does a really good

782
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: job of like taking care of us and making sure

783
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: that we feel supported. So they're a really great company

784
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: to be with through this. I feel like just the

785
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: more people that I've met who work with the company,

786
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: whether they're in shoot, development, sports marketing, whatever, everyone is

787
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: like really excited to work with them and connect with

788
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: us as athletes, which I think is a little bit unusual.

789
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: I think some companies there's a little bit more separation,

790
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: but at Puma, it really does feel like everyone's part

791
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: of this family. So yeah, I'm just really grateful for

792
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: the support there.

793
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 2: Who will be coming along with you to Paris.

794
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: We'll have a pretty good group, I think with our team,

795
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: because Pat Tiernan is running the marathon for Australia, and

796
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: then we have a few other people who like are

797
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: hoping to sneak in there for spot. Patrick Deaver, who

798
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: runs for the UK, is like in a good position

799
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: right now in the five K I think, so he

800
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: has his championships soon. And then my coaches Alistair and

801
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: Amy will be coming over, and then my parents and

802
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,479
Speaker 1: my sister and her boyfriend are.

803
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 3: Also My gosh, so exciting. Y such a big moment

804
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 3: for the whole family. Speaking of the family, what were

805
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: their reactions like after the trials back in Orlando.

806
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they were definitely pretty emotional. Yeah it was

807
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: just my parents who came down there, but yeah, they

808
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: were super excited. I think probably a little surprised, but yeah,

809
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: yeah it was. It was so great to be able

810
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: to see them at the finish line.

811
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

812
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 3: You know, it's really kind of crazy when you think

813
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: about like how you have to manage your own goals

814
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 3: and expectations, but then your parents, who like in most cases,

815
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: have this idea that like, my child can do anything

816
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 3: that they put their mind to, and then when it

817
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 3: actually happens, they're like, wow, I did not right, Yeah.

818
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh.

819
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 3: Well right now someone comes to your Instagram page, they

820
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 3: see a woman that will be representing the US and

821
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 3: the marathon, a pro athlete for Puma. When you look

822
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 3: in the mirror, though, Fiona, what is it that you

823
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 3: see looking back at you?

824
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: I guess I just feel like a normal person in

825
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: their twenties, you know, who's still figuring stuff out. Definitely

826
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: like a lot of excitement, and I know that I

827
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: have like really unique opportunities in front of me. But

828
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: at the same time, I feel like, you know, maybe

829
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: you look at someone with those credentials and you're like, oh,

830
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: they must have it so together, and I don't.

831
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 2: Alwa's fill out. I feel like I have it all together.

832
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

833
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: If anyone tells you that they have it all together,

834
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 3: candidly Olympia, non Olympian, anyone, they're lying, Yeah, pre definitely lying.

835
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: Favorite pump up song on your playlist.

836
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: I got made fun of this actually a couple of

837
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: years ago when I said it, but now it's kind

838
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: of become a popular song on social media. I've noticed

839
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: unwritten that used to be my pump up song, like

840
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: it's fine.

841
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: There's lyrics from unwritten in my high school yearbook next

842
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 3: to my name. Oh nice, that was where I got

843
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 3: my senior quote from so you and me?

844
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

845
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, two BEA's in a pot same page.

846
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: Amazing.

847
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: If you had to pick a word to summarize this

848
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 3: training block, could you?

849
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: And what would it be?

850
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: Multi dimensional? Oh?

851
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: I like that expand Now that you've given me your word,

852
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 3: you can expand on it.

853
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess it just feels like there's a lot

854
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: of different angles to look at with this marathon. And yeah,

855
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: it's like a little bit less straightforward than the lead

856
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: up to the trials, I think. And yeah, just trying

857
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: to like navigate the ebbs and flows.

858
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, entirely understandable.

859
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 3: Right now, I have like an obsession lunch, which is

860
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 3: that I make a wrap with hummus, grilled chicken, green beans,

861
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 3: red peppers, and girled zucchini.

862
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: Do you have any obsessive meals that sounds good?

863
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I mean I always like basically eat the

864
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: same breakfast, which is like pretty boring. But I'll have

865
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: like toast with peanut butter and banana and eat that

866
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: like every single morning until I'm sick of it, So

867
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: that's not very exciting.

868
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 3: But I guess maybe that before or after you train

869
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 3: before yeah, okay, and then what happens after.

870
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: Ideally, like if for an altitude camp and with teammates

871
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: and we go get brunch or coffee or both, that's

872
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: the ideal outcome.

873
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: That's the ideal outcome. Well, I'm so excited for you

874
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: right now.

875
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 3: Obviously so much amazingness ahead for you when you think

876
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 3: about the after or maybe anything else besides the Olympics.

877
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: What else is exciting you right now?

878
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: I mean I am excited about, like I guess, just

879
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: the way that this has kind of reconnected me to

880
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: some of my high school and college teammates. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm excited to hopefully like continue rekindling some

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Speaker 1: of those friendships and hopefully like be able to go

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Speaker 1: see some people in person after the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: Are you a croissant person or a chocolate moods person?

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Speaker 1: I guess it depends on the time of day. You know,

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Speaker 1: in the morning, I'll come for a croissant. In the

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Speaker 1: evening talk about.

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Speaker 3: So Fiona's answer is I'm a both a yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: finish us off today with a piece of advice. Say

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Speaker 3: you're not you, Say you're someone looking in on your

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Speaker 3: journey to the starting line come August. You have the

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Speaker 3: opportunity right now to offer yourself a piece of advice

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Speaker 3: to show up that day and do your best and

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Speaker 3: follow through with that definition of success that you gave

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Speaker 3: us before. What's the advice that you give yourself.

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Speaker 1: I would tell myself just to try to tune into

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Speaker 1: gratitude for getting to be on the starting line in

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Speaker 1: Paris and just try to relax and enjoy it, because

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Speaker 1: I do love to run, and I love to run hard.

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Speaker 1: So I think just kind of taking a step back

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Speaker 1: and letting myself take in that moment a little.

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Speaker 3: Bit, showing up and getting to do what you love. Fiona,

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy that we were able to get to

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Speaker 3: do this. Thanks so much for your time. For those

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Speaker 3: that don't follow along with you on social just yet,

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Speaker 3: tell us how to do that?

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Speaker 2: How do they keep up with you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm on Instagram. It's Fiona Underscore O'Keeffe. It's okay

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Speaker 1: e e f f E. You know my last name's

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Speaker 1: Pene in the butt.

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Speaker 3: So I'm over at Hurdle Podcast at Emily Abadi, another

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Speaker 3: hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.