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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: Norri with you. Let me tell you about Keith Miller,

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Speaker 1: psychic teacher, researcher and author about paranormal topics. His latest

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Speaker 1: work is Subtle Energy. He has been involved in esoteric

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Speaker 1: and occult community since his youth. From a young age,

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Speaker 1: he has been involved in teaching people to develop their

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Speaker 1: own psychic abilities. He holds a master's degree in transpersonal

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Speaker 1: psychology from Atlantic University, bachelor's in psychology from Ohio University,

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Speaker 1: and in addition to study and parapsychology and the paranormal,

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Speaker 1: he's also studied a number of different ritual, magic and

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Speaker 1: sorcery traditions from around the world. Keith, it's great to

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Speaker 1: have you with us. Welcome George, thanks for having me on,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for the introduction there. It's wonderful. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: forward to this. How did this all start for you? So? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when I was a kid, I usually say I was

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Speaker 1: just kind of too dumb to realize that you know,

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Speaker 1: that the something was going on that other people didn't

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Speaker 1: have going on, and you know a lot of kids

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Speaker 1: when they when they're young, they see spirits or they

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Speaker 1: of grow out of it, you know, their parents kind

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Speaker 1: of tell them, hey, look under the bed. You don't

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Speaker 1: see anything there. There's nothing there, and kids learned to

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Speaker 1: I would just a little bit too dumb, little too

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Speaker 1: slow to figure out that I should be paying attention

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Speaker 1: to my physical senses. More so, that kind of started

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Speaker 1: psychic experiences that it took me a while to figure out.

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Speaker 1: We're something that other people weren't having, right. And along

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Speaker 1: the way, people would ask me, okay, well can you

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Speaker 1: teach me to do this? You know, they'd figure out

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Speaker 1: it I can tell somebody's lying or something. They had

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Speaker 1: to say, well, given me teach me to do this.

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Speaker 1: And when I was a kid, you know again, you know,

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Speaker 1: in our hubrist we'll say something like, well, yeah, let

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Speaker 1: me let me tell you. And though they will, can

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Speaker 1: you teach me how to like read a mind? Okay,

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Speaker 1: well yeah, I just listen to what's going on in

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Speaker 1: the other person's mind. Well, okay, that doesn't help anybody.

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Speaker 1: So basically that stuck with me for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I was involved in the late nineties early two thousands.

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Speaker 1: I would teach online and things like this, but I

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Speaker 1: wasn't very effective at it because there hasn't been a

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Speaker 1: lot of research and how people learn these skills. And

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Speaker 1: so that's what I went to Atlantic to study, was

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Speaker 1: to look at how how people can develop psychic skills,

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Speaker 1: particularly because we know how to teach people and we

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Speaker 1: know generally about psychic ability, but up until very recently,

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Speaker 1: there hasn't been a lot of work done on how

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Speaker 1: do we actually teach psychic skills specifically. And we've all

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Speaker 1: got the ability, don't we. That's right. Yes, I have

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Speaker 1: yet to meet and I've met a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who say that, you know, I'm not psychic, I don't

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Speaker 1: have any any ability or anything like that. I've yet

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Speaker 1: to meet somebody for whom that's actually true. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to say definitively, you know, oh, absolutely everybody has

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Speaker 1: you know, the vast majority of people nobody I've ever

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Speaker 1: a lot of research that's gone into this that shows

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Speaker 1: most people have had some kind of like experience. Right.

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Speaker 1: Ian Stevenson in the seventeenth down at UVA did a

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Speaker 1: lot of research and showed the vast majority of people

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Speaker 1: have had the experience, for example, where they go to

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Speaker 1: moment you know that person's calling them. And that's fundamentally

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Speaker 1: this is you know, it's like a ability, and it's

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Speaker 1: So what I like to tell people, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: a lot like super tasting, Right. You have these guys

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Speaker 1: They can get much better results after they've done some

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Speaker 1: than somebody who is naturally very very psychic but hasn't

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, Keith, what gives the natural

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Speaker 1: people with this incredible ability? What gives them that upper

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Speaker 1: hand over someone who's got the ability but can't use it.

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Speaker 1: So there's a couple of different factors that can go

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Speaker 1: know there's been there's been considerable research looking into genetic

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Speaker 1: into spiritual lengths. There was a researcher named Beverly Napperstick

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Speaker 1: wrote a book called Your Sixth Sense, and she talks

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Speaker 1: about the basically five different ways that people will become

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Speaker 1: active psychically. And in some portion of the population, it's

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Speaker 1: people who are just born with it. It's people like

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Speaker 1: away when, like I said, most children, you know, children

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Speaker 1: oftentimes those things actually are there, right, So it can

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Speaker 1: in order to keep themselves safe. That's a very common one. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: there are people who have experiences with what Ria White

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Speaker 1: any of these experiences like alien abductions, angelic visitations, or

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Speaker 1: It tends to be people who are well, it goes

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Speaker 1: two ways. Actually, there's people who are very very i

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Speaker 1: regimented scientific types will sometimes just pick these things up very,

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Speaker 1: It's shown that people who come from what we call

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Speaker 1: shows that there's not like a happening to a degree

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Speaker 1: that is paranormal. And so that openness is very very

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Speaker 1: important for in my personal work. The people who I've

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Speaker 1: They're usually, I think, maybe trying too hard, because another

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Speaker 1: take it lightly. Mindset is huge for learning any skill,

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Speaker 1: your subtitle of the book Subtle Energy is intriguing A

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Speaker 1: handbook of psychic energy manipulation, tell me about that. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: the manipulation term, I sometimes I regret using that term

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Speaker 1: That's amazing the work that goes into this in the

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Speaker 1: And both of those things, both the meditative recognition, the

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