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Speaker 1: Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. It

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Speaker 1: was an incredible performance from jd Vance last night that

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Speaker 1: I think is going to have significant momentum for the

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Speaker 1: Trump Vance ticket as we roll into October. One of

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Speaker 1: the things that I think many people have wanted for

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Speaker 1: some time is for there to be an articulate version

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Speaker 1: of the Trump argument and Trump gets to in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: I think Bucks two the right place on many, if

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Speaker 1: not most issues facing the country today. But he is

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Speaker 1: a bull in a china shop getting there, breaking all

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Speaker 1: sorts of things in the process. And if you go

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Speaker 1: back and look at much of the media attacks on Trump,

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Speaker 1: it's actually for the process, not the end result. And

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Speaker 1: what stood out to me last night, and we're going

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Speaker 1: to play a lot of cuts for you, and I'm

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Speaker 1: curious to hear all of Buck's take on this as well,

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Speaker 1: but what stood out to me last night was jd

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Speaker 1: Vance was incredibly articulate at making arguments both for himself

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Speaker 1: and for Trump when they tried to attack him based

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Speaker 1: on what Trump had said and Tim Walls, I just

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, he's not up for this job. And I

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Speaker 1: thought as the debate went on, it probably was becoming

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Speaker 1: clearer and clearer to so many people out there that

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Speaker 1: had been sold a false bill of goods about what jd.

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Speaker 2: Vance was.

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Speaker 1: They tried to attack him as weird, and I can

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Speaker 1: only imagine the cognitive dissonance associated with that as you

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Speaker 1: watched this forty year old father of three, what completely calm, normal, steadfast,

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Speaker 1: talented as he dissected arguments and buck. To me, the

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Speaker 1: ultimate big takeaway from the VP debate at its most

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Speaker 1: foundational level is it's the most important choice that you

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Speaker 1: make as president once you're the nominee, and it tells

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Speaker 1: us a lot about you.

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Speaker 2: The fact that Trump picked JD.

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Speaker 1: Vance, who is a brilliant, stellar communicator and advocate, and

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris picked Tim Walls, who was a doddering, buffoonish

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Speaker 1: liar who actually only got picked I think because Josh

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Speaker 1: Shapiro happens to be Jewish, and I think we're going

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Speaker 1: to get into that, and I think it's going to

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Speaker 1: become a larger criticism on the left of Kala. But

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Speaker 1: Kamala picked a boon, Trump picked a stud and last

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Speaker 1: night that ultimately reflected well on Trump, and I thought

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Speaker 1: poorly on Kamala. What was your kind of big picture

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Speaker 1: takeaway from last night.

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Speaker 3: I can't think of a better debate performance on the

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Speaker 3: Merits on a presidential or vice presidential stage in my

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Speaker 3: memory than what I saw from JD Vance last night. Now,

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Speaker 3: Trump has had some incredibly effective debate performances. Obviously, Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden's campaign ended after one. Trump beating all of the

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Speaker 3: Republicans in the twenty sixteen primary was a sight to see.

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Speaker 3: But I think we all should be honest. Trump's version

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Speaker 3: of winning the debate is a little different from what

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Speaker 3: you would think of if you had been on like

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Speaker 3: Lincoln Douglas or policy debate team in high school. Right,

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Speaker 3: Trump is with the one liners and the jokes and

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Speaker 3: the performance, and that's not the same kind of thing

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Speaker 3: that you saw on display last night. Look, I thought

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Speaker 3: it was a really respectful and substantive debate. I thought

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Speaker 3: that there was a nice level of decorum and decency

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Speaker 3: showed by both candidates. I think JD put on a

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Speaker 3: clinic on the Merits for how to disassemble your opponent's arguments,

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Speaker 3: stay on message, speak with clarity and eloquence so he

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Speaker 3: gets an A plus.

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Speaker 2: Walls from me was better than I thought he would

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Speaker 2: be Oh he was okay. He was a little better

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Speaker 3: Now that this is always about what are your expectations, right,

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Speaker 3: I thought that he would go in there where there's oh,

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Speaker 3: you know, a fancy J. D.

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Speaker 2: Waltz with his Yale degree. He didn't do that.

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Speaker 3: He didn't do the mud slinging kind of idiot talking

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Speaker 3: points that I had expected. Look, he got he got

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Speaker 3: nailed on the China visit issue, which was just bizarre

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Speaker 3: the way that he handled that. But I guess he

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Speaker 3: doesn't want to say, look, I just lied, and you

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Speaker 3: guys called me to lie.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 3: There are a range of areas where I think he

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Speaker 3: managed to sound like somebody who knows anything about anything

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Speaker 3: was on healthcare. To be fair, I thought that he

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Speaker 3: handled Look, he's lucky he's in the state of Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's like if you asked the governor of North the

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Speaker 3: healthcare state, so it was a little bit of a

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Speaker 3: sweet spot for him. The thing that I thought was

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Speaker 3: most impressive for JD.

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Speaker 2: Vance.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's this thing that people say after debates,

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Speaker 3: and people said it after the ABC News debate, Clay,

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Speaker 3: if you're complaining about the refs, you're losing. Actually not

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Speaker 3: always true, Yeah, because the refs were terrible, as in,

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Speaker 3: the moderators were absolute partisan garbage, and JD. Vance still

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Speaker 3: handily won the debate. It was three on one and

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Speaker 3: he smoked all three. I mean, some of the all

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Speaker 3: the framing of the questions meant to help, meant to

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Speaker 3: help Walls. The way they fact checked or you know,

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Speaker 3: they kind of corrected or whatever they want to call it,

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Speaker 3: JD and not Walls couldn't have been more obvious.

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Speaker 2: Whenever it was time to ask a follow up of Walls,

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Speaker 2: it was, what do you want to add to that?

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Speaker 3: They're big tim you know, I mean they might as

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Speaker 3: well have been giving him a shoulder rub on the screen.

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Speaker 3: But I just want to go because I think this

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Speaker 3: is so important, Clay. After the ABC News to.

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Speaker 4: Be people were, oh, you're complaining about Muir, it's because

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Speaker 4: you lost. Trump didn't look at the numbers, didn't lose

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Speaker 4: that debate by public opinion. And beyond that, the moderator

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Speaker 4: was garbage. The moderators in this were garbage. Brennan and

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Speaker 4: whatever the other lady's name, oh don O'Donnell. They were

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Speaker 4: clearly partisan hacks, and JD.

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Speaker 2: Vance smoked them. So just remember that the next time

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Speaker 2: someone's like, if you're complaining about the refs, no, it

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Speaker 2: is possible to have terrible refs and win the game.

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Speaker 1: And JD did, And what he did was what I

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Speaker 1: wish Trump had done, because let's play that clip.

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Speaker 2: I think it's so important.

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Speaker 1: Trump never directly confronted David Muir and whatever the Lindsay

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Speaker 1: at ABC, even though they were constantly trying to fact

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Speaker 1: check him when they tried, and I only remember buck

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Speaker 1: one time where they tried, and was so devastating JD.

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Speaker 1: Vance's response to them, which illuminated that he understood the

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Speaker 1: issue so much better than they did, and also demonstrated

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Speaker 1: just how much of partisan hacks they were that they

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Speaker 1: had to turn off his microphone. I thought that was

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Speaker 1: the moment where he took complete control of the debate.

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Speaker 1: Let's play that for people out there. It's the one

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Speaker 1: thing I wish Trump had been willing to do during

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Speaker 1: his debate against Kamala Harris, because I think it would

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Speaker 1: have brought into the open for more people just how.

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Speaker 2: Rigged and biased it was. But listen to that from last.

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Speaker 5: Night, just to clarify for our viewers', Springfield, Ohio does

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Speaker 5: have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal

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Speaker 5: status temporary protective. But thank you, senator. We have so

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Speaker 5: much to get to, Margaret.

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Speaker 2: I think it's important economy things. Margaret.

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Speaker 6: The rules were that you got in a fact check,

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Speaker 6: and since you're fact checking me, I think it's important

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Speaker 6: to say what's actually going on. So there's an application

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Speaker 6: called the CBP one app where you can go on

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Speaker 6: as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for

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Speaker 6: parole and be granted legal status at the wave of

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Speaker 6: a Kamala Harris open border Wand that is not a

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Speaker 6: person coming in applying for a green cart and waiting

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Speaker 6: for ten years. Thank you, Senator, of a legal immigration

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Speaker 6: Margaret bye.

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Speaker 5: Thank you senator for describing the legal product.

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Speaker 3: Have so much to get.

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Speaker 7: The senator the book since nineteen ninety, thank you, gentlemen.

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Speaker 6: App has not been on the books.

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Speaker 5: Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut.

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Speaker 2: There was no reasons, Yes, I agree.

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Speaker 3: You know, no reason immute is Mike there And that

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Speaker 3: was just sort of spiteful garbage from these moderators. First

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Speaker 3: of all, listen to the the by the facts and

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Speaker 3: by the by the reality. It sounds like he listens

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Speaker 3: to the Clay and buckshow and immigration. I'll be honest

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Speaker 3: with you talking about this DVP one app talking about

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Speaker 3: and this is what I try to say to people,

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Speaker 3: and I get frustrated.

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Speaker 2: We discussed this here a lot on the show.

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Speaker 3: Whatever you think the problem of a legal immigration is,

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Speaker 3: it's actually worse because Biden Harris have abused laws to

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Speaker 3: bring in even more people through what is essentially an

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Speaker 3: emergency immigration process of if you don't take me, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna die. If you don't take me, I'm gonna be tortured. Well,

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Speaker 3: that's supposed to be like for an actual emergency, not

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Speaker 3: ten million or five million or however many millions of

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Speaker 3: people have come into the country. That's what they've allowed

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Speaker 3: to happen. It's critical. So I thought Clay that exchange

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Speaker 3: was important on the merits right, on the actual substance

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Speaker 3: of the policy, but also to not let them get

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Speaker 3: away with that. I mean to do this little you know,

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Speaker 3: look they.

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Speaker 2: Turn their mic off.

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Speaker 1: I mean I was sitting watching this with I did

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Speaker 1: that's like a mom treats the kids, where you just

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Speaker 1: like Pete's kind of a allusion. Clay Well, his wife

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Speaker 1: was there, Who's fantastic? And she was saying, and she

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Speaker 1: It does remind me of what a parent does to

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Speaker 1: But I thought it was impossible to ignore from that

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Speaker 1: point forward once he directly confronted them, first of all,

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Speaker 1: how much smarter he is than they are. Let's be clear,

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Speaker 1: you can rip jd Vance for opinions you disagree with

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Speaker 1: him on. But the reason I thought that he would

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Speaker 1: is not a very smart man. I think jd Vance

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Speaker 3: He come across as as likable though to you would

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Speaker 3: you say, or more likeable than you anticipated.

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Speaker 2: Walls. Yeah, that was where.

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Speaker 3: I compare him to Kamala's I mean, if you look

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Speaker 3: at those two, Tim Wallas is far more affable than

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris in terms of.

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Speaker 1: One thing I was thinking Buck was if we hadn't

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Speaker 1: gotten Biden dropping out, can you imagine what jd Vance

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Speaker 1: would have done to Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's the only part of last night that was

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Speaker 3: disappointing for me. It would have been almost worth it

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Speaker 3: just to have that whole situation.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it would have been an a visceration the

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Speaker 1: other thing I'll say, and we need to kind of

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Speaker 1: dive into this more.

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Speaker 2: I also think this is.

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Speaker 1: Why I know people get mad when people sit for

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Speaker 1: these antagonistic interviews, but iron sharpens iron. Jd Vance was

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Speaker 1: the most unfair, the most rigged questions because he has

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Speaker 1: been sitting for these interviews. He was prepared. He didn't

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Speaker 1: thought Walls when he got one actually confrontational question crumbled

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Speaker 7: My pleasure, my pleasure. Thank you for having me. By

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Speaker 7: big spending liberal Democrat, clear and simple and buying votes

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Speaker 7: from other groups and causing the economy to weigh underperform.

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Speaker 7: I mean, that would be the perfect example. Price controls

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Speaker 7: is just something she naturally grabs to because she's been

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Speaker 7: raised in government all of her life, so she thinks,

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Speaker 7: if there's a problem, always go to government for a solution,

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Speaker 7: and price controls. I don't think she's aware of all

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Speaker 7: the problems we had with price controls under Nixon, and

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Speaker 7: they just didn't work. They caused all sorts of dislocations,

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Speaker 7: and I don't think she understood. She's just trying. She's

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Speaker 7: just trying to explain or trying to justify, or trying

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Speaker 7: to make excuses for why there was such high inflation

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Speaker 7: under Biden Harris, and that you get the gougers, et cetera,

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Speaker 7: when in fact it was it was her economic policies

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Speaker 7: and slowed economic growth. It was hers and Biden's economic

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Speaker 7: monetary policies that increase the monetary base. The balanceship sheet

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Speaker 7: of the Fed, I mean, what was it in two

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Speaker 7: thousand and eight. I think the balance sheet was at

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Speaker 7: eight fifty eight billions something like that, fifty eight billion,

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Speaker 7: and at its peak under Biden Harris, it was at

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Speaker 7: nine point three trillion. I mean, is it any wonder

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Speaker 7: we had in high inflation under them? That was exactly

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Speaker 7: what happened. And they also caused the economy to slow

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Speaker 7: way way down, which further added to inflationary pressure. So

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Speaker 7: this is what she's trying to do, and she's just

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Speaker 7: trying to find excuses and to see if something sticks

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Speaker 7: by throwing it against the wall. I'm not sure how

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Speaker 7: she'll behave once she's in office, though.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, doctor Laffer, Let's pretend that COVID

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen.

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Speaker 2: Trump in February.

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Speaker 1: Of twenty twenty, I think we had the strongest economy

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Speaker 1: in the history of the United States, White, Black, Asian,

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Speaker 1: Hispanic wages arising, inflation's one point four percent or whatever

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Speaker 1: the heck it was two and a half percent, mortgage rates.

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Speaker 1: People have more money in their pocket. If COVID doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: And we're having this conversation right now, how good do

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Speaker 1: you think a second term? Because I think Trump would

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Speaker 1: have won without COVID for sure. How good do you

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Speaker 1: think the second Trump term would have been for the economy?

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Speaker 2: And where do you think we'd be sitting right now?

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, I think everyone agrees with you that

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Speaker 7: Trump would have won in a landslide and maybe get

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Speaker 7: forty nine states. I think even Saturday Night Live conceded

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Speaker 7: that time and time until the COVID hit, and the

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Speaker 7: COVID became the perfect opportunity, opportunity for the Democrats to

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Speaker 7: try to knock him down, and they succeeded, and that

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Speaker 7: if it hadn't have occurred, I think we would have

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Speaker 7: had the best presidency ever in US history. His first

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Speaker 7: term was singularly the best in economics of any presidency

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Speaker 7: in its first term period. And I really went through

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Speaker 7: a bunch of them there with you. But there was

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Speaker 7: a lot more in deregulation, ten deregulations for everyone, the

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Speaker 7: Supreme Court that he appointed, and I'm not talking social

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Speaker 7: issues now here, I'm talking just economics. They reigned back

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Speaker 7: all the regulatory agencies to not be able to legislate

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Speaker 7: through regulations through the regulatory agencies. I mean, how cool

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Speaker 7: is that? I mean, all of this stuff, I think Trump,

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Speaker 7: with the Supreme Court he had, with the Congress he

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Speaker 7: would have had as well, could have done a job

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Speaker 7: even better than Reagan did on the second term. And

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Speaker 7: Reagan's second term was spectacular I mean Reagan got the

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Speaker 7: highest tax rate in his two terms, from seventy percent

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Speaker 7: twelve and a half percent to fifteen. He went from

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Speaker 7: eleven tax brackets to two tax brackets. He cut the

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Speaker 7: corporate rate from forty six to thirty four. I mean

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Speaker 7: he got rid of all those deductions, exemptions, exclusions, and loopholes.

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Speaker 7: I mean, we got a vote in the Senate for

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Speaker 7: the bill for the eighty six Tax Act of ninety

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Speaker 7: seven to three. We got all the Libs to vote

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Speaker 7: with us because it was the right thing to do.

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Speaker 7: I think Trump could have matched that easily and done

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Speaker 7: an even better job than Reagan did if he had

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Speaker 7: not had the pandemic and been elected. So I'm really

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Speaker 7: very sad that he wasn't reelected. Without the pandemic. I mean,

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Speaker 7: it would have been just nominal period. We would have

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Speaker 7: been We wouldn't have had any of these wars in

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Speaker 7: the Middle East, we wouldn't be in the Ukraine, we

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Speaker 7: wouldn't have Houti rebels firing rockets at our ships or

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Speaker 7: any of that stuff. It would have been pieced through strength,

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Speaker 7: and the strength is in the economy. As well as

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Speaker 7: defense and strength.

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Speaker 3: We think an art laugher and art. I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 3: just wanted to say, if you could take take us

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Speaker 3: for a look ahead. Let's say that the American people

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Speaker 3: do the right thing and Donald Trump does win for

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Speaker 3: more years. A lot of it will be the reinstituting

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Speaker 3: of policies that you've been discussing that were so successful.

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Speaker 3: But what would you add to that or what would

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Speaker 3: you say would be top of the economic agenda for

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Speaker 3: Trump term two to really get things cooking again.

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Speaker 7: I really think price transparency, health transparency. You know, there

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Speaker 7: is a huge you know, we've had a huge reduction

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Speaker 7: in our life expectancy relative to the OECD over the

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Speaker 7: last fifty plus years, and a huge increase in the

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Speaker 7: cost of healthcare over that same time period, again relative

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Speaker 7: to the OECD. I mean, we have been suffering enormously

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Speaker 7: because we don't have price transparency. You don't know what

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Speaker 7: the prices are, you don't know what the qualities are.

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Speaker 7: It's all hidden in insurance companies, policies, et cetera. And

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Speaker 7: we need price transparency, which I think Trump should do.

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Speaker 7: I think Trump will do it, and I think it

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Speaker 7: will have an enormous impact. Remember, healthcare is something like

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Speaker 7: twenty percent of GDP, and to have a non market

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Speaker 7: economy as twenty percent of the GDP is just killing us.

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Speaker 7: I mean literally and figuratively that I talk is the

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Speaker 7: single most important thing to do.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to doctor Art Laugher. Last question for you

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Speaker 1: at Actually, my sixteen year old who is a junior

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Speaker 1: in high school right now, wanted me to ask you

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Speaker 1: about this.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he's fired up.

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Speaker 1: About the national debt and the concept he does debate,

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Speaker 1: and the concept of modern monetary theory.

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Speaker 2: And he wants to know.

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Speaker 1: And I said, I'm talking to a super smart economist

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Speaker 1: on the show. He knows who you are, he studied

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Speaker 1: your work. I think he's going to major in economics

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Speaker 1: when he gets older. He wants to know at what

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Speaker 1: rate does our national debt become so crippling that no

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Speaker 1: matter what political party you are are supporting, it becomes

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Speaker 1: incredibly difficult to get the economy rolling because of the

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Speaker 1: weight of that national debt.

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Speaker 7: I think we're miles and miles and miles away from

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Speaker 7: that type of crux. If you look at debt, you

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Speaker 7: should never compare it to GDP. You know, everyone says

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Speaker 7: it's one hundred and twenty percent of GDP or whatever

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Speaker 7: the numbers are. You should always compare debt to wealth

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Speaker 7: or debt service to GDP. If you look at debt

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Speaker 7: to wealth, you know it's too high, but it's not critical.

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Speaker 7: Don't jump out the window. If you look at debt

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Speaker 7: service to GDP, it's still too high, but we have

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Speaker 7: plenty from to be able to grow our way out

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Speaker 7: of this debt. And remember always that it's not debt

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Speaker 7: that's the problem. Debt is a tool. It's the spread.

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Speaker 7: If you use the spending to pay people not to work,

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Speaker 7: that's killed your economy. If you use the spending to

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Speaker 7: create jobs, output employment by cutting taxes and by increasing

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Speaker 7: defenses we did under Reagan, it's the biggest boon to

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Speaker 7: economic growth you can imagine. So I would tell your son,

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Speaker 7: you know, don't get overly worried about the debt. It's

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Speaker 7: not a debt problem. We can grow out of this

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Speaker 7: debt with good policies very easily, and which shouldn't be

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Speaker 7: People shouldn't be on the edge of their chairs jumping

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Speaker 7: out the windows. It's not the biggest problem. We need

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Speaker 7: a low rate, broad based flat tax, spending restraints, sound money,

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Speaker 7: minimal regulations, and free trade, and this economy will take

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Speaker 7: care of debt in minutes for our laugh.

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Speaker 2: For appreciate you being with us, sir, my.

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Speaker 7: Pleasure, Thank you very much for having me, and say

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Speaker 7: hell Lord to that child of yours.

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Speaker 2: I will for sure, sir, thank you.

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Speaker 7: I hope the answer was okay for him.

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Speaker 2: He'll love it. He's in class for now, but we'll

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Speaker 2: play it for him. Yeah, it's the deal. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: my friends.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of instability overseas, and there's still this

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Speaker 3: chance that you might have for more years of a

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Speaker 3: Democrat administration. I know, I don't think it's going to happen,

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Speaker 3: but it could happen, and then the printing would be

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Speaker 3: going on, inflation would rise. What can you do now

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Speaker 3: I don't just been the last year or ten years,

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Speaker 8: Two guys walk up to a mic, anything goes Clay

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show appreciate all of you hanging

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Speaker 1: out with us. We are rolling through the Wednesday edition

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Speaker 1: of the program, reacting to.

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Speaker 2: Last night's debate.

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Speaker 1: And the incredibly dominant performance from jd Vance, the waffling

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Speaker 1: performance from Tim Walls. The gambling markets have spoken Trump.

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Speaker 1: You know, guys know I like following this, Trump is

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Speaker 1: now dead even with Kamala close to flipping the favorite

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Speaker 1: in the wake of last night's performance, both of them

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Speaker 1: dead on fifty to fifty. So if you are a

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Speaker 1: quarter of the game's tied and anything can happen, So

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Speaker 1: dead even Trump, Kamala, Buck and I both believe Trump

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Speaker 1: is going to pull it out. But two things for

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Speaker 1: you that we haven't talked about so far. And one

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Speaker 1: of our emailers raised this as an issue, so I

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Speaker 1: want to give him credit for it. But it also

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Speaker 1: was something that I got texted to me, Britt writes

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Speaker 1: in the in the Clay and Buck vip E mail bag. Here,

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Speaker 1: I get most of my news from the radio, so

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen jd Vance in action before, but I

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Speaker 1: would have to believe that Clay is enthralled with jd

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Speaker 1: Vance's eyes. Now, look, the fact that I think Bill

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Speaker 1: Alugen's a good looking man has led many of you

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Speaker 1: to jump here to the jd Vance's eyes had to

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Speaker 1: captivate me. Say this, Buck, optics and cosmetics matter, and

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Speaker 1: I want to get your read on this. I got

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Speaker 1: a text from one of our OutKick women who works

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Speaker 1: that a lot of her girlfriends were texting her during

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

655
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Speaker 1: I also thought, when you put those two boxes side

656
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: by side, jd Vance had the superior answers. But Buck,

657
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: as you well know, much of television is cosmetic. It

658
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what you say, it's how you look while

659
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: you say it. I thought that Tim Walls constantly looking

660
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: in jd Vance's direction and snapping his head around a

661
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: lot too body language wise, was not a good look

662
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: for him. I also think, and this is look, I

663
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: look older, probably than my age, and we've gone from

664
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Speaker 1: You know when you remember these days, Buck, when you're

665
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: like sixteen or seven, you're very well preserved. I can't

666
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: I can't let that go in yours. But hold on,

667
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: when you're sixteen or seventeen, everybody wants to look older.

668
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: I remember when I moved into my freshman dorm, there

669
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: was an eighteen year old from Minnesota that looked forty two,

670
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: and we were like, this guy's going to be able

671
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: to get us beer anywhere in the city. Nobody's asking

672
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: for this guy's id and then as you get older,

673
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: you're like you pivot and you're like, well, I wish

674
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: I look younger than my age, right. I think JD

675
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: looks younger than forty. I think that Tim Walls looks

676
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: older than sixty. When you put Tim Walls in Kamala

677
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: Harris side by side, I don't think you would think

678
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: that they are the same age. The reason why I

679
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 1: bring this up we talked in the first hour about

680
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: how if you had bought into the caricature of JD.

681
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: Vansis some awful right wing idea logue who's going to

682
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: drag women out of their houses if they get pregnant,

683
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: make sure they're on a registry, all this crazy stuff,

684
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: the Handmaid's Tale style that they have been peddling on MSNBC.

685
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: What you actually saw was a good looking guy with

686
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: three kids seven in under, who is eminently reasonable and rational.

687
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: And if you looked at Tim Walls, I thought you

688
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: saw a guy who was old and frazzled and a

689
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: bit bedraggled, and that side by side cosmetic I think

690
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: may well have registered with some independent voters. Am I

691
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: crazy buck? Or did you pick up on that too?

692
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: In the double box often shots. I mean, are you

693
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: telling me that Jeddie Vance is hotter than Tim Wallas Clay?

694
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: Is that what we're going is better looking? But also

695
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 1: he looked ahead. I think there's something to be said.

696
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: And I don't know what coaching these guys get and

697
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: gals get for debates it You know how when you

698
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: do some things on television buck they are counter to

699
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: how you would behave in real life. But if you

700
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: don't do them, you look weird. And I've said this before,

701
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: but for instance, if you stare somebody straight down in

702
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: a conversation, it's weird. Eventually we avert gaze like it

703
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: doesn't like if you just stare somebody in their eyes,

704
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: that makes them uncomfortable. If you don't stare at the

705
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: camera on a television show, you look the exact opposite.

706
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: You look sketchy and untrustworthy. I think when Walls was

707
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: looking at jd Vance, that might be normal in a

708
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: debate room, but it doesn't look normal on television. It

709
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: made him look like he had something to hide.

710
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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I mean I think that jd Vance did.

711
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: I think he's in a different level intellectually and debate wise,

712
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 3: and across the board from where Tim Walls is. Some

713
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 3: people are writing in by the way, I'm getting at

714
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 3: a little bit of heat, which fine, a little bit

715
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: of heat that you know, why do you think Tim.

716
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: Walls is likable?

717
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 3: I'm saying he's more likable than Kamala the same way

718
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: that I said Hillary is more likable than Kamala, which

719
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 3: people disagree with too, which is fine. I think that

720
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 3: I think that Tim Walls came across better than I

721
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: thought he would, because what I had seen of him

722
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: up to this point was utter buffoonery. I mean truly

723
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: clown level stuff. He was okay up there, he wasn't.

724
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 3: No one's expecting him to be really smart. And I'm

725
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 3: just trying to be honest, you know, assessing this as

726
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: I would if I were like grading a debate tournament,

727
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: which the thing I used to do back in the day.

728
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 3: I thought that for him, he did okay. I give

729
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: him like a B. I think JD gets an A plus, right,

730
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 3: So that's my fair assessment of it. I mean, I

731
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 3: think that honestly, Kamala and Trump, when they went head

732
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: to head on the substance, it was a little closer

733
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: than I wanted it to be. And I think that

734
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 3: on the style, Trump actually was much more favorable than

735
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 3: a lot of the punditry thought he was based on

736
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 3: the polling and the numbers afterwards. Walls wasn't particularly strong

737
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 3: on anything other than you know, the healthcare answer. I

738
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: think was his best moment is the truly best moment.

739
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: People in the punditry class, we were going to talk

740
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: about it January sixth. Thing, they're saying that that's all.

741
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: That's well, if you're if you're bar for winning a

742
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 3: debate against Jade Vance, is you just talk about January

743
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: sixth and say that it was really bad, Well, then

744
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: anyone you know that Joe Biden could win a debate

745
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 3: against Jade Vance, I guess as long as you kept

746
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 3: him awake long enough. So I don't think that he

747
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: got any I don't think he had any powerful moments.

748
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 3: I don't think he ever cornered JD on anything. I

749
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 3: do really like the JD beat, the three on one

750
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: against the two moderators who were just again people say

751
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 3: why would they do that, because I mean, I don't

752
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: even know who runs CBS News these days, but whoever

753
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 3: runs CBS News is a big lib and he or

754
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: she who writes the checks wanted the performance that that,

755
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 3: you know, little Margaret and little Nora gave on that stage.

756
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: They don't care about fair. They care about making sure

757
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 3: that the seven figure gravy train for being a glorified

758
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 3: QVC model essentially is continuing. Okay. So that's what that's

759
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: all about. That's what people shouldn't be surprised that they

760
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: weren't particularly fair, you know. So, I think that those

761
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 3: were the key takeaways Clay on it that I had,

762
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 3: and I think overall on the border, Vance did really well.

763
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 3: On the economy, he did really well on the abortion issue.

764
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 3: I think he took the position that this is the

765
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 3: best position that Republicans have right now from an electoral perspective,

766
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: which is it's not.

767
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Speaker 2: A federal issue. Roe v. Wade was horrible law. Okay.

768
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Speaker 2: Roe v. Wade was I make the law whatever I want.

769
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: That's what it is.

770
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 3: That was the Supreme Court version of we just make

771
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: it up if we think it's really important, which means

772
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 3: you don't need a legislature. You don't even need an

773
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: executive branch, you just need a super legislature of the

774
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 3: Supreme Court.

775
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 2: Roe v. Wade was garbage law.

776
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 3: Beyond that, we have this thing of making everything a

777
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 3: federal law in this country, which we absolutely should not do,

778
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: and it is a huge erosion of our rights as

779
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: a result of it, leaving it to the states. This

780
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: phase is the only thing that Republicans can do with

781
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 3: the current legal regime that we have and try to

782
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: persuade people and try to, you know, have the debate

783
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 3: and have the conversation. But that's like the point, right

784
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: this is our system is actually set up for that

785
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: to occur.

786
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Speaker 1: Two other things, and you're right on all that. Two

787
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: other things that stood out to me. I thought jd

788
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: Vance did a really good job shouting out his wife.

789
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of women out there that

790
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: had been uncomfortable with jd Vance based on the way

791
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: that he was characterized. I think I can speak for you.

792
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: I know I can speak for me. I think who

793
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: a man or woman picks as his life or her

794
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: life partner tells you almost more about them than anything else.

795
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: Your wife super smart. My wife's super smart. Both accomplished.

796
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: Jd Vance marrying a yell law grad who has now

797
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: given him and they have as a family three young

798
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: kids and her working in a major life law firm

799
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: while also being a former Supreme Court clerk. His wife

800
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: is an incredibly accomplished woman, and I think him addressing

801
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: that directly while also talking about the fact that he

802
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: was raised by a drug addict mom and a grandma

803
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: who helped to carry four car raise him, care for

804
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: him when his mom could not, I think that's a

805
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: really hard thing for a woman not to be impressed by,

806
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: which is why the caricature of JD I thought was

807
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 1: so unfair. So I think he helped himself with women.

808
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: But the other thing is if this race is going

809
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: to be decided by voters in Big ten states Michigan, Wisconsin,

810
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania in particular, if you're a guy or a gal

811
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: in those three states, Tim Walls was picked directly to

812
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: try to peel off some of those voters. I think

813
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: JD Vance seems like the more normal, likable guy to

814
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: people in those what I call Big ten states. So

815
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: I think JD did a really good job with solidifying

816
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: his perspective with women who might have been not that

817
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 1: enamored of him, but after watching him, said, man, he's

818
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: nothing like what they told us he was. And I

819
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: think also the Big ten voters, the men and women there,

820
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: the high school educated, the story about my mom was

821
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: a drug addict and my grandma raised me. I mean,

822
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: this is the opposite of a silver spoon. I think

823
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: that connects honestly with a lot of people who were

824
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: not born with silver spoons in their mouth, unlike I mean, look,

825
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: Trump and Kamala both had a lot of advantages. Even

826
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: though Kamala always tries to say she was a middle

827
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: class kid, her parents were both PhDs. I mean, that's

828
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: not a normal life to grow up with. I think

829
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: JD connects with a lot of those people better than Waltz.

830
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 2: Yes.

831
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: And I would also add that on the attacks of

832
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 3: the kind of war on women's stuff that the Democrats

833
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: always tried out, it was a little bit of that

834
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 3: last night. I just also say, whenever they talk about abortion,

835
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: notice that they don't talk about abortion, right to bodily

836
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: autonomy and to make her own decisions. And this isn't

837
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 3: about what kind of cast role you're making for dinner.

838
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: This is a big issue and it's about abortion and

839
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: the fact that they can't speak honestly about it. And also,

840
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: I mean it should be very straightforward. Does Minnesota demand

841
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 3: protection under law for a baby who survives an abortion.

842
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 3: People who say babies don't survive abortions are wrong.

843
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: They do. That is a fact.

844
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 3: Okay, So does the law demand that a baby who

845
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: survives the abortion procedure needs to be provided with Careen Minnesota?

846
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: Yes or no?

847
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 3: We need you know, if we had a media that

848
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 3: cared at all about anything, we would get an honest,

849
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: you know, anything, honest, we'd get an answer on that.

850
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: But Clay, the idea that Vance, who, as you point out,

851
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 3: has you know, lovely, lovely and accomplished wife, three kids,

852
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: from all we can tell, seems to have a happy

853
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: home and personal life, and and you know again has

854
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: an accomplished wife as well as a you know, a

855
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 3: devoted mom from what we what we know. And then

856
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 3: Donald Trump.

857
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: Who okay, you know, yeah, I mean Donald Trump's problem

858
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: might be he likes women a little too much.

859
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 3: I mean, he's been very three times and he owned

860
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: the Miss Universe contest that they are going to be

861
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 3: the American Taliban and put women in you know, the

862
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: handmaiden's tail handmaid's tail clothing. This is an insane argument, right,

863
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is going to be the one that's like

864
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 3: making women into you know, the Handmaid's Tale. The whole

865
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 3: thing is absurd, some dystopian future. But he's like some

866
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: radical extremists when it comes to women. Really, the guy

867
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: married to the Eastern European supermodel, Like, do they hear

868
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Speaker 1: No, that's funny. And here's one little thought. I'll leave

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Speaker 1: you with too, and we'll take some of your calls.

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Speaker 1: We got Trey Yanks from Israel who's going to join

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Speaker 1: more of your calls. I think there's also a lot

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Speaker 1: like JD Van's and in their head they can't find

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Speaker 1: that guy. And when they watched him on stage, they're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's got three kids under seven, he married a lawyer wife,

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Speaker 1: he went to law school himself. He is forty years old.

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Speaker 1: He is trying to build the life for his own

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Speaker 1: family that he did not have personally because he had

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Speaker 1: an absent father. And I know there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of people out there listening to us right now that

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Speaker 1: have had broken homes. And when you have the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to create a family for yourself. You know better than

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Speaker 1: anybody what it feels like to not have a dad

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Speaker 1: or a mom in your life, and you want to

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Speaker 1: avoid ever creating that situation for your family. And I

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Speaker 1: think JD has tried to answer that. And that's the

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Speaker 1: ultimate irony of all of this buck is so many

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Speaker 1: they stay married, they buy a home, they want to.

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Speaker 2: Live in the best school.

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Speaker 3: This ste I mean that the leaders of the Democrat

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Speaker 3: Party aren't a bunch of purple haired nos ring anarchists

896
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Speaker 3: what a chef. Yes, but it's so important because I

897
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Speaker 3: think it in the back of their mind when they

898
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Speaker 3: watch JD, they're torn because they actually want that in

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Speaker 3: their own life, but they have to pretend that they don't.

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Speaker 3: And I think there's a cognitive dissonance that registers with them.

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Speaker 3: And I think that that really worked for JD in

902
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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. Reacting to

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls versus JD Vance and the big win for

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Speaker 1: JD Vans last night based on even CNN's polling. I

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Speaker 1: so was when Trump knocked out Joe Biden, and Biden

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Speaker 1: was just so awful on June twenty seventh. Maybe Mitt

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Speaker 1: Romney first debate two thousand twelve, but they're rare where

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Speaker 1: they say, hey, look this guy won. I saw a

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Speaker 1: lot of the swing state voter polling undecided voters who

962
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Speaker 1: were watching were more impressed by JD Vance. Even the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post has a lead story up about that right

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Speaker 1: now where they try to have a focus group, and

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Speaker 1: obviously anytime you have any group of twenty or twenty

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Speaker 2: You don't know the internal dynamics of the room.

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Speaker 1: But everything that I saw has jd Vance doing better

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Speaker 1: than Tim Walls, which is why if Walls was selected

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Speaker 1: to try to appeal to people in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like that has really worked and that

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Speaker 1: jd Vance is having a strong pull there in those states.

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Speaker 1: By the way, we're supposed to be joined by Trey

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Speaker 1: yankst Fox News in this segment. You might imagine things

975
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Speaker 1: are a little bit chaotic in Israel right now, so

976
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Speaker 1: we may or may not officially get him on the

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Speaker 1: line here, but I did want to mention Buck one

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Speaker 1: story that has that has come down. We have Trey. Now,

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Speaker 1: Trey is with us. Trey Yanks, you got a brand

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Speaker 1: new book out. Appreciate you joining us here on Clay

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Speaker 1: and Buck, but I just want to start before we

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Speaker 1: get to the book. Yesterday, the attack of Iran on Israel.

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Speaker 1: I believe it is one hundred and eighty one missiles

984
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Speaker 1: I think is the final number. What was that experience

985
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Speaker 1: like for you and what are you hearing about what

986
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Speaker 1: happens now?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, thank you guys for having me. It was

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Speaker 9: a surreal experience in many ways, you know, I've been

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Speaker 9: reporting on the ground here in the Middle East for

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Speaker 9: more than six years for Fox, and this is only

991
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Speaker 9: the second time that I've lived through a ballistic missile

992
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Speaker 9: attack here, and one other time when Iran launched a

993
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Speaker 9: ballistic missile attack and I was reporting in Baghdad. But

994
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Speaker 9: to see these missiles streaming to the skies of Israel

995
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Speaker 9: and some of them getting intercepted, others actually impacting the ground,

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Speaker 9: it was significant, and it was a major escalation as

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Speaker 9: we look at this story comes next because the Israelis

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Speaker 9: have said time and time again that they will respond

999
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Speaker 9: if an attack of this scale happened. So as it

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Speaker 9: was happening in real time, the first thing that I

1001
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Speaker 9: was thinking was how is Isra are going to respond

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Speaker 9: to this? And initial reports indicate it will be a

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Speaker 9: heavy response.

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Speaker 2: Trey, It'll be a heavy response.

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Speaker 3: That's something that came up and last night in the

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Speaker 3: debate between Vance and Waltz, I mean, can you just

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Speaker 3: give us a sense as to how how is the

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Speaker 3: current sentiment right now in Israel about the support that

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Speaker 3: they have received or perhaps lack of support on some

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Speaker 3: areas when it comes to the Biden administration and what

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Speaker 3: their approach has been since October seventh.

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Speaker 9: Particularly, it's interesting because you get a variety of responses,

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Speaker 9: and you know, we talk to everyone involved, from the

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Speaker 9: commandos who are currently in southern Lebanon to the soldiers

1015
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Speaker 9: that were fighting over the past year in Gaza. Is

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Speaker 9: Defense Minister Joel Galand, and there is a common sentiment

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Speaker 9: among Israeli officials of frustration as it relates to the

1018
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Speaker 9: relationship with the United States. They're thankful for some support

1019
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Speaker 9: and frustrated with other support. And I'll just give you

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Speaker 9: one example. Back in the middle of the war between

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Speaker 9: Israel and Hamas and Gaza, remember that the Biden administration

1022
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Speaker 9: slowed the weapon shipments to Israel. They were still allowing

1023
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Speaker 9: certain ammunition and certain bombs to make their way to Israel,

1024
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Speaker 9: but others were put on pause temporarily, and there was

1025
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Speaker 9: frustration among the Israelis because those bombs weren't for Gaza.

1026
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Speaker 9: They were to basically target Hasbela positions in the war

1027
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Speaker 9: that we're watching unfold now. And so behind the scenes,

1028
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Speaker 9: the relationship continues. It's very close, and their coordination is

1029
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Speaker 9: also quite high. When you think about even the response

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Speaker 9: last night, as these ballistic missiles were streaming through the sky.

1031
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Speaker 9: US Central Command was involved in shooting some of them down,

1032
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Speaker 9: but publicly there can be some disagreements, and that's part

1033
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Speaker 9: of the story that we cover here, mostly focused on

1034
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Speaker 9: the day to day actions on the ground and what's

1035
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Speaker 9: taking place amid the war now that's unfolding in the

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Speaker 9: northern part.

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Speaker 2: Of the country.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Trey Yanks, chief foreign correspondent for Fox

1039
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Speaker 1: on the Ground in Israel. The book that he has

1040
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Speaker 1: Black Saturday and Unfiltered account of the October seventh attack

1041
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Speaker 1: on Israel and the war in Gaza, was released yesterday. Trey,

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Speaker 1: what was your experience like on October seventh? Where were you,

1043
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Speaker 1: How did you become aware of what was happening, and

1044
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Speaker 1: what was that day like.

1045
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Speaker 2: For someone in Israel in your experience?

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Speaker 9: So I got a call on October seventh at seven

1047
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Speaker 9: oh three am in the morning from my producer and

1048
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Speaker 9: she said, something's happening in the south. And normally when

1049
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Speaker 9: something's happening in the south, it's a rocket attack. And

1050
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Speaker 9: we knew that rockets were being fired not only in

1051
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Speaker 9: southern Israel but also into central Israel, and so we

1052
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Speaker 9: thought this was sort of the status quo of an

1053
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Speaker 9: attack from Gaza launched by hamasro Islamic jih. Maybe there

1054
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Speaker 9: was something that we missed, and this was the initial

1055
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Speaker 9: thought process. Maybe there was a targeted assassination that the

1056
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Speaker 9: Israelis took out a commander. Something didn't make sense. And

1057
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Speaker 9: as we got closer to the Gods of Border to

1058
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Speaker 9: start reporting in the location that we always report from,

1059
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Speaker 9: we slowly started to piece together what was happening. And

1060
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Speaker 9: when we stopped at one intersection and got out of

1061
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Speaker 9: the car, we could hear gunfire in the distance, and

1062
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Speaker 9: this was the first major sign that something was wrong,

1063
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Speaker 9: something was different. And as we reported throughout the day,

1064
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Speaker 9: that intersection turned into a triage point and we watched

1065
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Speaker 9: soldiers and civilians wounded by gunfire he worked on in

1066
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Speaker 9: front of us. Some died, others were taken to hospitals

1067
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Speaker 9: in southern Israeli cities, and a war erupted between Israel

1068
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Speaker 9: and Hamat that still continues today.

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Speaker 3: Pray in the book, I know you get into some

1070
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Speaker 3: of this, but you know we were heartbroken here. We

1071
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Speaker 3: covered October seventh from thousands of miles away way, but

1072
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Speaker 3: it was felt all too real and horrific. Just as

1073
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Speaker 3: the details came in for all of us, including everyone

1074
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Speaker 3: listening all over the country. What do you want people

1075
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Speaker 3: to know about what happened that day? And I mean

1076
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Speaker 3: there were some people who came out in the media

1077
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1078
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1079
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Speaker 3: or anything like that. I wanted you, as somebody who's

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Speaker 3: places yourself, what is true and what is not about

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Speaker 3: the commentary that came out after October seventh.

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Speaker 9: I think there are a lot of people who have

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Speaker 9: opinions about the war that's unfolding, and I'm not one

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Speaker 9: of those people. I carry very few opinions about this

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Speaker 9: conflict or others were focused on the facts on the ground,

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Speaker 9: and that's what you'll see when you read Black Saturday,

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Speaker 9: and it's also what you'll see when you watch Fox

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Speaker 9: and you see our reports live from the ground in

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Speaker 9: not only this war zone, but war zones around the world.

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Speaker 9: The morning of October seventh was quite confusing from an

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Speaker 9: information standpoint, and I was very careful with what we

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Speaker 9: were gathering and also very careful with what we were

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Speaker 9: putting out to the public understanding that this was such

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Speaker 9: a real, time breaking new situation that I needed to

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Speaker 9: be patient with a lot of the information. And that's

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Speaker 9: a critical point that I make in the book, and

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Speaker 9: it's something that I really believe in. It's patients and

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Speaker 9: information because I'd rather be right than first. And it

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Speaker 9: doesn't matter if it's covering the war between Israel and

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Speaker 9: Hamas and the times that we were entering the Gaza strip,

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Speaker 9: or if it's the war that's unfolding now between Israel

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Speaker 9: and Hezbolah. When people talk about this conflict, I think

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Speaker 9: there's another really important thing to remember, and this probably

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Speaker 9: gets more to the core of your question. October seventh

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Speaker 9: massacre was the largest slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust.

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Speaker 9: That is an objective fact. The Israeli response against Gaza

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Speaker 9: has led to the highest death toll among Palestinian civilians

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Speaker 9: in the history of their people. These are two facts

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Speaker 9: that are true at the same time, and that's why

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Speaker 9: I encourage people to have empathy for those who are

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Speaker 9: affected by this war. Because there are millions of people

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Speaker 9: in the region. They have a variety of viewpoints, they

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Speaker 9: have a variety of opinions and they do a variety

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Speaker 9: of different actions, and so often when people talk about

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Speaker 9: the Middle East, or they talk about Israelis and Palestinians,

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Speaker 9: they want to very quickly put people into two camps.

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Speaker 9: But the reality is, and I talk about this in

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Speaker 9: Black Saturday, is that the people who live on the

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Speaker 9: ground here and experience this every day exists on a spectrum,

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Speaker 9: and I think the only information that you should trust

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Speaker 9: about what is happening as it relates to the war

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Speaker 9: in Gaza or the war that's taking place right now

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Speaker 9: between Israel and Hesbla, is information that properly covers all viewpoints,

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Speaker 9: that gives you a true understanding of the complexities and

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Speaker 9: the uncomfortable truths about war. Because war is not pretty,

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Speaker 9: it's complicated, it's complex. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 9: we have to get to the bottom line facts because

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Speaker 9: if you don't, and we saw this throughout the past year,

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Speaker 9: it can lead to other consequences that have really serious implications,

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Speaker 9: not just for the region, but for the whole world.

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Speaker 1: Trey, we talk a lot about post traumatic stress for

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Speaker 1: soldiers when they return from places where they've deployed based

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Speaker 1: on what they've seen. I'm curious for you and other

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Speaker 1: reporters and other individuals who are civilians who are outside

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Speaker 1: of combat roles. How do you process, contemplate and remain

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Speaker 1: able to do your job based on what you have seen?

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Speaker 2: And how do you manage that? And what have you

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Speaker 2: found to work?

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Speaker 1: And what would you say to maybe somebody out there

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Speaker 1: who is listening to us right now, and maybe they're

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Speaker 1: a kid and one day they think, Hey, I'd like

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Speaker 1: to be a journalist like Trey is what have you learned?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 9: I tell my team something very often, and it's something

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Speaker 9: that I tell myself very often. It's actually the background

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Speaker 9: on my phone and it's stay focused on the mission.

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Speaker 9: And that's something that guides me remembering what my mission is,

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Speaker 9: and that is to provide fair, objective, and truthful journalism

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Speaker 9: to our audience and to my readers. But it's challenging

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Speaker 9: to cover a story like this. We witness death and

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Speaker 9: destruction in firsthand, and I think on a high level,

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Speaker 9: it's remembering to be empathetic and understanding of everyone involved

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Speaker 9: in the stories that we cover and try to get

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Speaker 9: to the core of why people do what they do.

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Speaker 9: And on a more simple level, it's seem horrific things

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Speaker 9: and then knowing that you need to process the aftermath

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Speaker 9: of that in a healthy way, not turning to drugs

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Speaker 9: and alcohol to deal with the thoughts that you have

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Speaker 9: and the memories that you have of these scenes not

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Speaker 9: only in southern Israel, but also in Gaza. And for me,

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Speaker 9: that's cold exposure, that's eating healthy, that's working out, that

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Speaker 9: is talking about mental health and not being afraid to

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Speaker 9: discuss it, because I think that's also a critical component

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Speaker 9: in all of this. And if you're listening and you're

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Speaker 9: someone who is afraid to talk about mental health, I'd

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Speaker 9: encourage you to speak to your friends, speak to your

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Speaker 9: loved ones, speak to a trained professional like a therapist.

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Speaker 9: You don't have to be afraid to talk about your mind.

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Speaker 9: And it doesn't make you less cool, it doesn't make

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Speaker 9: you any less afraid than we all are to be

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Speaker 9: here in this life and on earth. And for me,

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Speaker 9: I think that it has been an opportunity to be

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Speaker 9: able to talk about mental health because I think a

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Speaker 9: lot of people watch what we do and they see

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Speaker 9: us go into these battle zones and embedded with militaries

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Speaker 9: and on the front lines of conflict around the world,

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Speaker 9: and they say, Wow, that guy's he's cool. He's there,

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Speaker 9: he's on the front lines. He's seen it. And I

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Speaker 9: want to be a voice for people who are afraid

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Speaker 9: to speak out about mental health and say, look, I

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Speaker 9: talk about it. You can talk about it too, and

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Speaker 9: you can go a step further. Not only talk about it,

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Speaker 9: but you can think of healthy ways to handle your mind.

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Speaker 9: You can do the cold exposure, you can do the

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Speaker 9: working out, the running, and you can try to have

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Speaker 9: a healthy lifestyle so that you can create an environment

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Speaker 9: for yourself to flourish and be the best version of yourself.

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Speaker 1: Trey yngra He is the chief foreign correspondent for Fox

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Speaker 1: on the Ground in Israel, the author of Black Saturday,

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Speaker 1: Unfiltered account of the October seventh attack on Israel in

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Speaker 1: the War on Got War in Gaza in bookstores now.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate your time. Stay safe, Thank you guys.

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Speaker 1: Look, I want to tell you, speaking of what Trey

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Speaker 1: has seen in Israel, certainly there's still people who have

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Speaker 1: very vivid memories of what happened in this country. On

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Speaker 1: September eleventh, and last weekend was the annual Tunnel to

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Speaker 1: Towers five K Run and Walk in New York City.

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Speaker 1: Our producer Ali and her husband Gerard did it along

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Speaker 1: with tens of thousands of fellow patriots. The event retraces

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Speaker 1: firefighters Steven Siller's footsteps from the foot of the Battery

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Speaker 1: tunnel to the Twin Towers, where he raced on nine

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Speaker 1: to eleven to try to save lives and in the

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Speaker 1: process sacrificed his own. Steven's brother, Frank Siller, friend of

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Speaker 1: the show, started the five K, which pays homage to

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Speaker 1: thousands of civilians who lost their lives that day. If

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Speaker 1: you're watching on the live stream, you'll see the video

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Speaker 1: that Ali shot, which we also shared on social media.

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Speaker 1: It was pouring rain that day, but it didn't stop

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