1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,360 Speaker 1: What Up. 2 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 2: Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of The Mets 3 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 2: the Podcast. This is the annual Now Pitching Preview with 4 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 2: Lance Brasdowski. Lance, thanks for joining us. We're gonna talk 5 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: all things Mets pitching. We know you're excited. You loved 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: the Mets pitching development, so we're excited to have someone 7 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: who's not us giants Mets fans tell you how good 8 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 2: the Mets pitching development is. And Mets fans are a 9 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: little bit worried about the major league pitching, so maybe 10 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: you can help, you know, qualm some of the worries 11 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: that people have. 12 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 3: But Lance, thanks for joining us. 13 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: Hi, Ben, I'm good man. Thanks for having me. Yeah, 14 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: I'm excited to chat here. I feel like I've carried 15 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: the torch of the Mets being very good from a 16 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: pitching dev side for the last couple of months here, 17 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: so so yeah, yeah, it's gonna be fun. I mean, 18 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: the Freddie move is big. I was talking to Jolly 19 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: Olive Jack right like as that move happened. He had 20 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: me on his stream, and I was pretty surprised, Like 21 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: I felt like they needed that, you know, like I didn't. 22 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: I was gonna grab their rotation projection based on just 23 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: what some of the sites have for war, just to 24 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: see where they stack up. I'm not sure if you 25 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: guys have a perception on like where they are in 26 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: the league. They're definitely not like top five, you know, 27 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: but they seem like they're going on this defensive push 28 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: alongside if they're top half rotation, maybe top ten, you 29 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: could squeak it out. That's like really strong, and I 30 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: think it's a I think it's a good team. So 31 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. I know, I grew up in the 32 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: East Coast, so I have a lot of met fan friends, 33 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: so I know the trauma, you know what I mean. Yes, 34 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm trying to be positive. You're on this podcast right now. 35 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 4: On fangraft step charts, we're fifteenth, and that's just ahead 36 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 4: of the Brewers, just behind the Rays, but also behind 37 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 4: the Yankees, behind the Royals, and behind the Braves and 38 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 4: behind the Twins some rotations who I think have weirdly 39 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 4: more question marks than. 40 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: The Mets Risks. 41 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that's for sure, especially seeing implosion risk with 42 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 4: we already just started to see it with the Braves. 43 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 4: So I guess I didn't want to talk about Fredd 44 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 4: that you brought it there, but you're just talking about 45 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 4: implosion risk. 46 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 3: Give people a little bit of confidence about Mets depth. 47 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 4: Weird place to start here in the first two minutes, 48 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 4: but we love talking about the five, six, seven, eight 49 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 4: pitchers on teams here. Why why could the Mets stand 50 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,639 Speaker 4: up to injuries better than some other teams? 51 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I just I think they do a 52 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: really good job. As I mentioned, from the development side 53 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: of things. I noticed this first, especially last year, and 54 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: both Tongue and mclin came up and we saw, like 55 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: we have Triple A data stackcast data, so you're like 56 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: looking at what they're doing at Triple A, especially the 57 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: each handedness of hitter, and then they come up to 58 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: the majors and they immediately make tweaks, especially with McClain's 59 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: lefty usage, like for the majority of the time and 60 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 1: the miners for him, he had kind of left handed 61 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: hitter problems, and you could argue he still maybe does 62 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: a bit. That's probably like the point of development to 63 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: focus on. But the second he came up, if whoever 64 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 1: he was facing, he was using advanced reports from Triple 65 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 1: A and looking ahead to like here's what he's gonna 66 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: do to lefties like he flipped it. He completely backed 67 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: off of the for sing. He went to the sink, 68 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: started throwing more curve, started throwing more sweeper offhand, which 69 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: is kind of funky. And I think that that is 70 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: then like really maxing out the value on a guy 71 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: that at the time perhaps was pretty raw. Now it 72 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: didn't work with like a Jonah Tong, but I just 73 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: think they have the aptitude, especially bringing in Justin Willard, 74 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: who is I think one of the sharper under the 75 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: radar minds from a pitching dev standpoint coming from the 76 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: Red Sox, who've done a really good job. So to me, 77 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: it's almost not even so much about the pictures they have. 78 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: It's almost about what I think they will have the 79 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: capacity to do with peripheral pictures where if they need 80 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: to rely on them more, they have access to above 81 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: average productions. The post is a guy plugging in as 82 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: a pure innings filler to giving you like a four 83 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: or five era, which is how you kind of tank 84 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: every fifth day as an organization. So it's that like 85 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: marginal tiny stuff from the tweak standpoint that I think 86 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: is really gonna play out for them. 87 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the things that we've talked about a lot. 88 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 2: Is that like Jonahtanng this offseasons name got floated in 89 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: trade rumors all over the place. Right now, he's one 90 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: of the Mets depth starters. But we also joked how 91 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: if he never made his debut last year, he'd probably 92 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 2: be viewed as an untouchable prospect to the masses. Yeah, 93 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: maybe help explain to the people why there's still so 94 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: much excitement around Jonah Tongue and me and James always say, like, 95 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: just get one more pitch, and it seems like that's 96 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: gonna be the thing that could really make him click 97 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: at the major league level. 98 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 99 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: I literally had a substract piece dropped today about truth. Yeah, yeah, 100 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: talking through like who do I expect to add a pitch? 101 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: Like we're already at the point where I know, in 102 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: the next week or so, we're going to get a 103 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: bazillion reports of this guy's tinkering with a new pitch, 104 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: And so I was like, let me try to get 105 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: ahead of it. Let me try to like back into 106 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: a couple of guys that are gonna add or change something. 107 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: Tong is like one of the most obvious ones. I mean, 108 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: we can get in him now if you want to be. 109 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: I think the reason he's so exciting is like it's weird, 110 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: Like it's a weird look. You know. I remember looking 111 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: at him prior year in the minors, and I was 112 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: talking to people on and like the consensus there is like, Okay, 113 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: the results are really good, you know, the vlo's up, 114 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: the change up that he developed is sick. Like all 115 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: these elements are good. But the thing that I was 116 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: talking to people about is is this too weird? Is 117 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: how he moves too weird? Is he gonna break down? 118 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: You know? Like those are the more artsy questions that 119 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: I think are harder to pinpoint that at the end 120 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: of the day, perhaps we'll have some impact on his 121 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: ultimate what he is, you know, but those are the 122 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: incredibly hard ones to answer. The thing that I kept 123 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: getting is just like he's a hyper mobile athlete. He's 124 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: a crazy rotator, like the hip position that he has 125 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: to get into in order to be able to land 126 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: as crossfire as he does and not get hurt or 127 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: like crazy. So like, sure, maybe when he's thirty two, 128 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: that'll break down, but like I don't really care about that, 129 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: Like anybody can break down when they're twenty eight or 130 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: twenty nine. So I'm always I'm getting to the point 131 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: now where I'm just kind of fading a lot of 132 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: the oh this guy might breakdown angle or you know, 133 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: like Treya Savage is a guy I was off for 134 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: a while, partially because I think he's like too weird, 135 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, from what he creates from a shape standpoint. 136 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: But the other reason was I had a lot of 137 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: people during that draft cycle tell me that there was 138 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: injury risk there, Like they didn't really like the starter projection. 139 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: It was pretty clear some teams like viewed him as 140 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: more of a reliever. The Mariners passed on him for 141 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: a Drangel of Sancio, who they just traded to the Cardinals. 142 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: So like, there were teams in baseball that didn't really 143 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: like them, and I just like, I'm always I don't 144 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: know the hit rate on iding a guy's injury prone. 145 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: So like you could look at Tong and go, this 146 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: is so weird it's not gonna work. Or you can 147 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: look at him and go, that looks a lot like 148 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: Tim linz Ago and that lines up from a shape standpoint, 149 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: from a delivery standpoint, from so many things. 150 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: James, did you see what I dm you by the 151 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: way about you Savage that I yeah. 152 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 4: I was about to talk about that because Mark and 153 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 4: I were dming about a Savage bullpu and an MLB 154 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 4: posted today he looked like a cricket bowler when he 155 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 4: was throwing, like he's coming over the top like a 156 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 4: windmill popping down. You also, did you think, did you 157 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 4: did you say the Mariners thought that Trey Savage was 158 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 4: more weird than a switch pitcher. 159 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great point. I think that, I really think. 160 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: I mean, the Sancti stuff is still like a bit 161 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: to me. 162 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 2: You know. 163 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: It's like I really don't think he's that good as 164 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: a lefty. No, And it's like even during drafts, like 165 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people didn't. So it's just like cool, 166 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: It's like he's actually a really good right handed pitcher. 167 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: If he wasn't a lefty, he would still be like 168 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: a top thirty is pitching prospect, twenties pitching prospect. So 169 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: I know we're getting off Mets stuff here, but I 170 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: do think it's relevant to like good baseball conversation. 171 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. 172 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 4: We talked about that kind of like I don't know 173 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 4: that that weird a blog for the word, but that 174 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 4: just the whole weird saying is and how that hurts 175 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 4: his like how people view him in the prospect world. 176 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 4: And I think that's kind of happened to tong I 177 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 4: did the free stream of him from the Future's Game 178 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 4: last year that went super viral on my Twitter where 179 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 4: when he followed through, it's kind of like his legs 180 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 4: were one hundred eighty degree show me one another for 181 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 4: one was on one was on the ground, and one 182 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 4: was up here and from the channel now works for 183 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 4: Coastal Carolina. 184 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: Isaac Groffman. He his first bit thread that went viral. 185 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 4: He talked about how Tongue so over the top that 186 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 4: he basically releases like where you perceive like a left 187 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 4: handed pitcher to be releasing the ball, which is amazing, 188 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 4: but with great point, with that wacky release point there, 189 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 4: what could be the pitch that Joanah Tongue develops. What 190 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 4: could be the thing that kind of unlocks it? Because 191 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 4: with the fastball in the change up, like you said, 192 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 4: you still need something else. 193 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 3: How how does he get there? What are the options? 194 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: I mean, they've already flashed the options. And this was 195 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: something that I also pointed out generally with these guys 196 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: that are a little more kind of efficienty in their 197 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: spin or don't like I don't think it seems to 198 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: me for my perception that Tong doesn't have a really 199 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: innate ability to create drop at velocity on his breaking balls. 200 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: It's probably the way to think about it. Think of 201 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: like a McLean in the shapes he can create from 202 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: like a sweeper and curveball standpoint. Again, it's a completely 203 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: different slot, but just from like a template perspective, you 204 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: could do a lot more with McLain from a breaking 205 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: ball standpoint than you came with Tom. Tom doesn't really 206 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: hold curveball villa that well when he's in front of 207 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: that pitch. I think that's maybe more of like a 208 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: pure early count strikestealer. So that's to me, not a 209 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: pitch that he's gonna be able to throw deep count. 210 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: He's got a really good change up, it's too neutral, 211 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: it's gonna work in any of their lefty righties. But 212 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: to me, it made a lot of sense for him 213 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: to play with some kind of slider. And we saw 214 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: this like if you look at what the shapes he 215 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: was throwing in the miners last year, it like started 216 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: as a true cutter he was throwing like a true, 217 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: true cutter, and he was throwing like this downer, kind 218 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: of slow, weird. I guess maybe could have been a sweeper. 219 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: I'm not entirely sure what it was from a shape standpoint, 220 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: and then we saw, okay, he scrapped both those and 221 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: went towards more of like a short, downer slider. And 222 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: then at the end of the year in the Majors, 223 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: he went towards what I think was tagged as a cutter. 224 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: I could be wrong here, but it's still more of 225 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: like a slider shape that he started to throw a 226 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: little bit harder. So we saw it progressively through the 227 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: season he was tinkering with pitches. My perception and watching 228 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: some of these pitches back, I just didn't think his 229 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: feel was particularly good on any of them. And to me, 230 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense that, like top of 231 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: his development list this offseason was figure out something here 232 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: that you can get comfortable with. Is it one shape, 233 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: is it two shapes? You know, like, what is it? 234 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: What does it look like? And can you actually command 235 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: it away from Righty's To me, that opens up a 236 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: lot for him in terms of respecting outer third, because 237 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, you think of like there's a there's a 238 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: template of righty. I think of like de Gram and 239 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: Shane Bieber who just like never throw inside at all. Yeah, 240 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: like they just they just don't you know what I mean. 241 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 1: It's like, cool, I'm sitting outer third and I'm going 242 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: to dare you to figure out how to hit anything here. 243 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: It's almost like the inverse with Tom where he doesn't 244 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: have a glove side pitch, so he's almost more like 245 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: middle to in against Ridy's where I think it would 246 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: help him a lot to open up the outer third 247 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: with the change of obviously tailoring armside is my concept 248 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: of like he's just kind of up with the forcing 249 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: in a way or excuse me, an inside with a 250 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: change up. Whereas I, again, I don't think that curveball 251 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: is like a pitch that hitters are going, man, I 252 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: can't wait for that. It's more that's more like a 253 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: call strike. Take pitch to me, So it's really to 254 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: me comes down to the slider shape, and it's not 255 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: gonna be as easy a proposition as a guy like 256 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: McLean because of how his hand works through the ball 257 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: and his slot. It's very similar to you, Savage, how 258 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: high he is and you see his savage everything you 259 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: savage throws and his arm side. At least Tong has 260 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: a little more capacity to get some glove side based 261 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: on the shapes that he flashed in the minors. So like, 262 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: I'm a bit more encouraged that there's something there that 263 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: can work. But this is going to be a limitation 264 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: on his profile. It's going to allow him to have 265 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: like kind of probably reverse splits for a bit where 266 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: he's good versus lefties and maybe struggles a bit versus arieties. 267 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: But I also wouldn't be surprised if someone reports here 268 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: in the next couple days that he's got a grip 269 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: he likes. It looks really good, and everyone's saying, like, 270 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he has this fourth pitch, third pitch. 271 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: Varieties that could really work, Ajay. 272 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 5: You know what I love about Hello Fresh the variety 273 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 5: every single week, I can choose from over one hundred recipes. 274 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 5: That's a lot of recipes. 275 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 6: Agreed, you can go and you can narrow it down, 276 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 6: Scott to whatever you want family friendly, because you know, 277 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 6: I got kids sometimes it need to eat, So you 278 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 6: can go family friendly, pescatarian, vegetarian, whatever you want to 279 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 6: do healthy options. 280 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 7: However, you want to refine your search on Hello Fresh, 281 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 7: they will spit out delicious, healthy ingredients that then you 282 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 7: get to cook, which I love to cook. 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That's FT one 292 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 5: zero FM. 293 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 4: There was some There was report I remember it was 294 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 4: a baseball perspective, guys, but it was also a cool 295 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 4: threat that read recently by Chris Langen that there's this 296 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 4: from the high slot, there's the hand of God sweeper 297 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 4: hand of God slyther sure, And that's a term that 298 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 4: they use for basically, it's like doesn't sweep all the way, 299 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 4: but it has like a good amount of lift on 300 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 4: it kind of acts like a color but it's with 301 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 4: a sweeper intent that think Schlitler also throwing one of 302 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 4: those in the past, Like that seems something where it's 303 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 4: like just anything that can get to the glove side 304 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 4: and all of a sudden you're just the whole thing 305 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 4: is open. 306 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, I could totally. The Hand of God is a 307 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: fun pitch that's like a who's the guy? Brandon sprot 308 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: is like the og one that I always think of 309 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: because he's got a little bit of lyft. I mean, 310 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: I just want to check one thing. Yeah, So the 311 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: problem to some extent there to me is like you 312 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: see that hand to God a bit more when the 313 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: guys either high slot and can cut the ball, which 314 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: Tong doesn't really do, or is like low slot and 315 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: has this weird inate ability to get underneath the ball 316 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: and let it ride. The guy who actually did this 317 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: a ton. If you look at Blade Tidwell, the old 318 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: Met pitching prospect that we think we talked all the 319 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: Mets where and this is like this is like a right, yeah, yeah, 320 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: have a little reunion here. He was a guy who 321 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: I found really odd because he he literally couldn't create depth. 322 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: Like if you look at his plot, everything he has 323 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: had lyft, and he was like a hand of God 324 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: guy where there's just I don't know what it is. 325 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: There's probably something better, like an answer to this, maybe 326 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: langing can actually where they just throw from like a 327 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: normal slot, but there's something about how their hand gets 328 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: underneath the ball that lifts it up. So like I conceptually, 329 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: if you're like looking at Tong's plot, you're like, sure, 330 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: you're backing into the hand of God sweeper because you're 331 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: looking for something that maybe he has a little lyft, 332 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: but he's not gonna be able to get to a 333 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: ton of gloves side movement based on the hand his 334 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: handworks through the ball, So like, I guess that would 335 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: work to me. The ultimate thing that he could potentially 336 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: do is go towards more of like a true cutter 337 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: and then figure out more of like a true death 338 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: ball shape that he can get harder. Yeah, like that 339 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: he can get to like eighty five, eighty six, eighty 340 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: seven would be an absolute dream. I don't know if 341 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: he can actually get there. I think the one he's 342 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: throwing now is more like eighty fourish. So generally what 343 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 1: you see with these guys is just like, hey man, 344 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: rip this ball as hard as you can, like we're 345 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: just pushing the vlo here, Like this isn't a movement play. 346 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: It's literally a velocity in command play. So for me, 347 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: that's where I land on tong. It's like twenty twenty seven, 348 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: he comes in, I'd love to see an actual cutter 349 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: and a death ball, and then all of a sudden, 350 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: it's like, cool, he's got that cutter. You can probably 351 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: mix in the leftis a bit for more of a 352 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: strike pitch. You can kind of move the fastball maybe 353 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: more up away. And then to write, he's that death 354 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: ball becomes like the outer third. Have to respect the 355 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: outer third of the play it against me as a 356 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: right hand. 357 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 4: His carve ball was coming in seventy seven last year. Yeah, slow, Yeah, 358 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 4: it's he could really Yeah. 359 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: He just doesn't. I mean, it's just it's one of 360 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: those things like he isn't gonna be a guy that 361 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: creates like absolutely crazy breaking ball shapes. You know, it's 362 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: it's gonna work off how weird he is and his 363 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: ability to like throw this change up for strikes and zoning, 364 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: which he's done really well. 365 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 2: And what's great right now is like the Mets don't 366 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: need him right now, Like that's which it's great about 367 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 2: this depth that we're talking about. And again one of 368 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: the big reasons why is Noel McLain being as incredible 369 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 2: as he was last year in that small sample, being 370 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: the number two in this rotation after seeing like thirty 371 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: forty innings of this guy. Me and James I think 372 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: have like sky high ceiling expectations and just from being 373 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: at the debut and seeing how electric is is and 374 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: watching pitching Ninja post his clips of how that that 375 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 2: ball moves like a whiffleball. It's insane watching these pitches move. 376 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: Probably a little bit too lofty of expectations this year, 377 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: but realistically, like what can we see and expect from 378 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: Noel McLain this year? 379 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: In your opinion, Yeah, projections are pretty bullish him. So 380 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I think he gave enough sample last year 381 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: for them to look at him and go, yeah, like 382 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna be good. I think the production I use 383 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: like ATC I like looking at a bit because they 384 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: actually from some of the outlets out there, he's one 385 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: fifty three seven one ERA two point three. Ward's about 386 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: a top fifty pitcher. I think if I told you 387 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: he did that, you would be content right, like that's 388 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: it'd be a great year two or year one and 389 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: a half to so to speak, A might correct in saying. 390 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: That, yeah, oh definitely, Like I think for us, we 391 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: know that McLean is not going to be like the 392 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: two era guy that he was in that small sample, 393 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: but also we are I think at least I'm confident 394 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: that this year will be a great year to go 395 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 2: into next year where it's like he might be a 396 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: guy who can break into that like top thirty, top 397 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: twenty five pitching. 398 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: Range totally, totally, and I think that threads through the 399 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: lefty approach, Like I have no concerns about his ready approach. 400 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: He did pretty well against lefties in the majors. It's 401 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: just as I mentioned earlier, like you look through his 402 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: history at Triple A and the lefty approaches. I wouldn't 403 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: say non existent, it's just clear based on Like if 404 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: you go to Savant, they have on player pages this 405 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: toggle now where you can look at Hey in this 406 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: usage he throws I think he throws six pitches if 407 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm remembering this correctly, six pitches more than ten percent 408 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: of the time to lefties. If you look at the locations, 409 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: I would argue it's not very much like I'm precisely 410 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: placing these everywhere. His approach to me just seems like 411 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: I have six pitches, I don't entirely know which one 412 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: is ideal to throw to lefties. And maybe again you 413 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: can get into the more advanced stuff of like he's 414 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: matching up based on path or the mets are and 415 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: matching up based on batpath what to use in a 416 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: specific spot. I haven't done too far into that. I 417 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if they're doing that, But just from 418 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: the twenty thousand foot view, it's like I have a 419 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: bunch of pitches, I'm gonna throw them all and it worked. 420 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: It kind of worked. But that's like, you know, you 421 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: look at the spectrum of like I have, Like like 422 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: Jonah Tom he's throwing fastball, he's throwing change up. That's 423 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: what That's what you're getting as a lefty probably like 424 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: ninety ninety five percent at the time. McClain is like 425 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: the complete opposite, where it's like, Okay, I don't really 426 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: have the arsenal to work versus the left handed hitters, 427 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: so I'm going to completely invert the spectrum and go 428 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: towards like I have a bunch of pitches I can throw. 429 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: They're all pretty good in shape from a stuff perspective, 430 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: because he throws and such, and I'm just gonna rip 431 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: those at some quantity that is confusing for the hitter 432 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: to the point where those guys are up there like, okay, 433 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: I'm getting forced him away? Am I getting sync down? 434 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: Am I getting this curve? Is the sweep like he 435 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: strikes the slider a bit over the middle of the plate, 436 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: which I think is like this weird called strikey kind 437 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: of angle on, like just get me something that isn't 438 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: the fastball to get me a head in the count. 439 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: So how that approach refines, if it refines, you know, 440 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: is fascinating to me, especially in early count situations like 441 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: that is really where it's the flattest for him from 442 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: an approach standpoint. But he's a really interesting picture, Like 443 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: his slot's really low. He's also really far towards the 444 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: third base side of the rubber, which is this weird 445 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: thing I noticed about like a ton of the Mets 446 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: pictures as I was looking doing a little prep last night. 447 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: Freddy Peralta is like way over. He actually moved between 448 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: twenty four and twenty five towards the third base side. 449 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: Christian Scott, he's another one that's way over towards the 450 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: third base side. So like, I don't think that's like 451 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: something they are looking at and going, we really want 452 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: to optimize for this angle. I just think it's a 453 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: byproduct of who they've acquired and like the shapes these 454 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: guys have, you know. And I think McLain is just 455 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: an absolute menace to Riety's based on that angle. He's 456 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: so far over the scene comes in the sweeps away, 457 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: and I really think that that four third base release 458 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: helps with the sweep angle. I just I have no 459 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: concerns about the writing approach. It's really just like, is 460 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: there a shaper two that he focuses on to lefties? 461 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: And does that help him kind of refine the plan 462 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: he has. 463 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 4: There's always been those weird murmurs about also the Batter's 464 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 4: eye at City Field being kind of like infringed upon 465 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 4: by the Apple. 466 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 3: I do wonder if they have something where it's like, oh, 467 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 3: that's if. 468 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 4: You stand this far over, you get this much of 469 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 4: that little stem in that you could really trick somebody. 470 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 4: And all these guys have sweepers too, which is fun. 471 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 4: You mentioned fred that you also mentioned Sproke before. I 472 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 4: think that you were one of the foremost guys who 473 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:50,719 Speaker 4: were kind of in on Brandon Sprote and I think 474 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 4: a lot of the industry had faded him over the 475 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 4: last six months ish. And I remember you're on the 476 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 4: video your channel which Lance has a Grea channel, brother 477 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 4: then YouTube the videos are sensationally good. 478 00:18:59,200 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 3: We're gonna link it in this. 479 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 4: You really like the Brewer's return for Freddy Pearolta there, 480 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 4: and you kind of talked about that in comparison with 481 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 4: the Nationals got back from McKenzie gore, So talk about 482 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 4: kind of what you expect from paroal To this year. 483 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 4: Maybe why why you like sprush so much on the 484 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 4: way out? 485 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think it's tough sometimes with trades, 486 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: like I'll have an immediate reaction, you know, Yeah, And 487 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: my immediate reaction was like, well, that's a lot to 488 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: give up for your control. But then as I think 489 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: about it more, I always like end up going back 490 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: to the other side of the spectrum. So I guess 491 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: it's like good to I think it's just good to 492 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: think through things. And the more I've done that, I 493 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,479 Speaker 1: probably come down in the middle, which I always end 494 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: up doing where it's like, okay, I see both sides. 495 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: I probably still think it's a slight overpay, but like 496 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: I get it, especially if you re sign him, you 497 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: think you have some leverage in that sense the QO 498 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: we can attach that it's difficult for him or another 499 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: team to come in and swoop in and really pay 500 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: a ton for him unless they absolutely love him to 501 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: get over that QO blocker, so to speak. But I 502 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: think Freddie's a very good picture. Like I mean, projection 503 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: is like a top thirty guy I'm curious to see again. 504 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: We were talking a little on the slider side with Tom. 505 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: Freddie's slider is kind of a weird pitch. I remember 506 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: talking to some Bruis people's over the last couple of 507 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: years about why that pitch has so much variance. I 508 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: couldn't really figure it out because Freddie, again is an 509 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: angles Guy's really far over to the third day side, 510 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: huge extension, low release. He kind of verts the fastball 511 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: up in the zone. It's really flat approach, so it's 512 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: hard to guys. For guys like match playing with it, 513 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: it's a really effective pitch. You could throw it a 514 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: bunch you know, it's it stood the test of time. Like, 515 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: I don't think we really need stuff models to tell 516 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: us it's good. The results over the period he's been 517 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: a very good starting pitcher can tell us it's good. 518 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: The angle for him that I always was like confused 519 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: about was anytime I'd do like my substack or anything, 520 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: and I'd look at a start of his, his slider 521 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: would just like be moving differently. And at some point 522 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: I just texted someone on the Brewers that I don't know, 523 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: and I was like, what is it going on with 524 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: this pitch? And He's like, don't even get me started, 525 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: Like this pitch is just it's just it's all over 526 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: the place, you know, if you look specially specifically in 527 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four early in the year was like actually 528 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: a sweeper from a sheep standpoint. I would say late 529 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four really shortened up. He started throwing 530 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: it a little bit harder, but it was it wasn't 531 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: like a good pitch from a shape standpoint. It's just 532 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: lost a ton of the horizontal break and it was 533 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: still really good. It's just like that is a completely 534 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: different pitch. And I was trying to figure out if 535 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: that was like an actual conscious tweak the Brewers made 536 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: or he made. And the answer I got was no, 537 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: it's just like he's It's just his handfield changes on 538 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,959 Speaker 1: the pitch and it moves, and it's not something they 539 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: intentionally do. And then it was interesting to me we 540 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: saw in twenty twenty five really backed off that pitched righties. 541 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: It fell from like thirty percent cut in half down 542 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: to like fifteen right in that area. So to me, 543 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: I look at that if I'm the Mets, and I 544 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: go okay, Like I think Freddy PEARLTA is a better 545 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: pitcher if he can figure out the slidered rieties to 546 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: the point where you know he was really good versus rieties. 547 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's not good versus rities. I'm more saying, 548 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: if you're trying to unlock him above like the three 549 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: seven in isch projection he has, how do you do that? 550 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: The path is probably getting him as locked on the 551 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: slider that he was back in like twenty twenty three 552 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: ish twenty twenty two ish when that picture was really 553 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: really good. So to me, that's like the clear unlock, 554 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: and I'm curious to see if they just let him 555 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: have weird feel for the pitch and it goes everywhere, 556 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: and like it's fine because every time it's change shape, 557 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,959 Speaker 1: it's still somehow been good despite some iterations being much 558 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: better than others. From a like a stuff standpoint, is 559 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,479 Speaker 1: there a path for him to maybe throw some kind 560 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: of sinker to rities? Yeah, probably, you know, like I 561 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: don't think that's necessary, but like I could totally see 562 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: the Mets doing that at some point. So I think 563 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: there are like a couple of subtle unlocks here, but 564 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: the main one revolves around the slider. To mean, just 565 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: the fact that that pitch is weird. He seems to 566 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: lose feel for it or it just changes and the 567 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: bruis really couldn't figure out how to get it consistent 568 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: or lock him out of shape that was consistent. So 569 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: I'm curious to see if the Mets can do that. 570 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 4: It is crazy having watched Friday's career that last season, 571 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 4: how much more the changeup came to the forefront, The 572 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 4: fact that he threw that pitch more against writing's in 573 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 4: the slider when he was just like eighty percent fastball 574 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 4: slide there for the first five years he was a 575 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 4: big thing exactly. 576 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: That was shocking to me to some extent, you know, 577 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: March wouldn't guess that at all. 578 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 4: We're at the same time he gets the best results 579 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 4: of his Career's the whole thing was, it's very funny 580 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 4: and strange. That was something we tried to caution to 581 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 4: Mets fans. But Fredie Prault is awesome. He's our race. 582 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 4: Yes he might be he might not be nas but 583 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 4: he's our race. Yeah. 584 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: The board, the ace definition is something I think we 585 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: like struggle with a bit. Like I think I guess 586 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: I'm fair just saying like every all top thirty pitchers 587 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: are aces, but like if you actually go by some 588 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: of like this scouting angle, like you gotta be you 589 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: gotta be like five to six Ward be an ace y. Yeah, 590 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: it was only like three to six of those guys 591 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: in baseball, remembering correctly. So the standards change. Were just 592 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: like talking different standards on that term, and I sometimes 593 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: get frustrated with it. 594 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 2: Also talking about the rest of this Mets rotation now, 595 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: because I think that's that's where people get a little 596 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 2: bit worried. Is we feel good about Peralta, we feel 597 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 2: good about McLain, then we start talking about like Clay Holmes, 598 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 2: David Peterson, Sanga Manaya. They've been floating out a six 599 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 2: man rotation as a possibility, and while the Mets schedule 600 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: is super weird at the beginning of the year and 601 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 2: probably doesn't warrant a six man rotation, me and Jay 602 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 2: has been flowing the idea might be the best because 603 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 2: of just how those guys wore out towards the end 604 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 2: of the season, the injury questions with Manaia and Sanga. 605 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 2: Do you have any thoughts on a six man in rotation? 606 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: Do you think that it's something that is valuable, not 607 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: even to the Mets, but something we could see change 608 00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: in Major League Baseball. 609 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like this kind of always comes up 610 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: as like a way to bridge to the postseason because 611 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: I think some of these teams like the Mets, the Dodgers, 612 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: and some of these other teams that are like very 613 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: much playing for the World Series as opposed to like, 614 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: let's just get into the playoffs and see what happens. 615 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: They're they're really trying to optimize for that. I think 616 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: partially this is one of the reasons why the Dodgers 617 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: have been so good is they've had the liberty of 618 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: just paying a ton of money for good starting pitchers 619 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: and then being like slow. I guess you could say 620 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: on timelines when injuries pop up on their starting pitchers 621 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: where it's like, oh you have like light handing pool, great, 622 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: you're down for a while, you. 623 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 2: Know, and it's like, we don't really care about exactly. 624 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: That's a great point, and I like, I think that 625 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: matters to some extent, and it gives them the liberty 626 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: to go to like a six man because they're like, 627 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: we really don't want your workload peaking like in the 628 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: middle of the year. We prefer it peaks in like 629 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: September into October. But they've had the liberty to do 630 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: that With the METS, I would say they don't have 631 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: enough fire like raw firepower from like again we're we're 632 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: talking about them being projected like dead middle of the pack, 633 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, like if you project something for dead middle 634 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: of the pack, your error bars could like if they 635 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: end up the twentieth best starting pitchers as a group, 636 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: like twentieth best, like that's not really out of the 637 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: range of possibility here, you know, that's probably within the 638 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: range of like very reasonable. That's like what we often 639 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: get caught up. I think on projections a lot where 640 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: it's like guys projected for this, It's like, listen, you 641 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: got like a pretty good range on some of these stats. 642 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: We're looking at around a reasonable comminist interval that you're like, 643 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: if it ends up here, we're not totally surprised. So 644 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: I personally don't think they have like the the ability 645 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: to go, let me throw six of these guys, cause like, 646 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: if if three of them aren't good, like let me 647 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: lop one off and try to give the guys who 648 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: are good more of a run. I guess the advantage 649 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,959 Speaker 1: they have is that I don't think their division is 650 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: like crazy strong, you know, like the Phillies are very 651 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: good obviously, but the Marlins are still a team that 652 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: I think is playing for twenty twenty seven. The Nationals 653 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: have signaled they're very much like a twenty twenty eight 654 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: twenty twenty nineteen. I've always been a little skeptical on 655 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: the Braves pitching development and now Sweat Schwellenbox Pop. Sure 656 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: they have sale, but like you're basically betting on like 657 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: all that offense rebounding, Like it's not like a juggernaut 658 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: of a division like the Aalyast is. To me, so 659 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: maybe they have a little bit of liberty to play 660 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: more five hundred ball and push to it late. This 661 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: is a very long way for me to say, like 662 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: I hesitated a little on like assuming a six man 663 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: works for them specifically unless they have unless like McLean 664 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: tongue and all these guys are like amazing and really good, 665 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: and then it's very much like, Okay, we're gonna get 666 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: worried about the workload on these guys come off against September, 667 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: So we do have to kind of like either pause 668 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: them in the middle or pull down their capacity. And 669 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: there's multiple ways to do that. Like we've seen a 670 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: lot of teams kind of like be okay with a 671 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: guy kind of working up to a certain interval of 672 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: workload and then pulling it down and just not letting 673 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: him pitch deep into the game. So we saw it's 674 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: a bit I covered the Cubs obviously, So like Keith 675 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: Horten's a good example where yes, they really hard capped 676 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: his pitches and he was just in the zone all 677 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: the time, so he was still getting to the fifth 678 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: or sixth inning, and he has like the command and 679 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: control be able to do it. But he's a good example. 680 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: It's like they kind of needed him for the postseason. 681 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: They're running into some starting pitcher problems, so these really 682 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: hard capped him and we're like we might meet him 683 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: in October. He's not throwing more than like eighty pitches 684 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: in any of the next six to seven starts he's throwing, 685 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: So maybe it's something more like that as opposed to 686 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: a six man. I just think, especially if they believe 687 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: in their bullpen and how they've constructed it, like they 688 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: should be a bit more comfortable taking the route that's 689 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: let me just cap the guys from how much there 690 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: throwing an individual start as opposed to like shutting them down, 691 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: which I think teams are a bit more hesitant to do. Now. 692 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 4: I like the irony of that. Didn't Horton still get 693 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 4: injured the missed the postseason? 694 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 3: He did? 695 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, weird. He like coughed and broke a rib. 696 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: I don't know how you prepped. 697 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 4: For that, Yeah, exactly. The happen with the mess with 698 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 4: David Peterson last year. He wound up being the de 699 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 4: facto horse just because there was no other option, and 700 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 4: it was a tremendous first half. He was an All Star, 701 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 4: which is like that's going to be one of those 702 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 4: like spot immaculate, great question, he didn't even remember that, 703 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 4: Like how's David Peterson an All Star? But then once 704 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 4: it once he got to his like near his threshold 705 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 4: his career high innings like one hundred forur the innings, 706 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 4: he just completely fell apart, like the command was gone. 707 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 4: He had a hip labor and tear a few years 708 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 4: ago that he fixed, but then once the command went away. 709 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 4: It's just from that group of Peterson, Manaya Sanga that 710 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 4: feels like internally there's not a ton of I'm looking 711 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 4: for a word between excitement and confidence. I think just 712 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 4: a little bit of each, But I don't think there's 713 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 4: really profound this in either. And it's just kind of 714 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 4: like everyone seems to be focused on the next crew, 715 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 4: whether it be again like you said, Tong, whether it 716 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 4: because Christian Scott's return, whether it be Tobias Myers who 717 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 4: also was part of the STREADI pearl to trade to 718 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 4: be the people that really wind up delivering for this team. 719 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 4: I thiven if you feel that way, Mark, it just 720 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 4: feels like that's kind of what the Mets seem to be. 721 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 4: That's the vibe I'm getting from them as your organization 722 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 4: right now, I think it. 723 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: Feels like, you know, maybe they're a little regretful of 724 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 2: the Manaia contract just because knowing that his elbows like 725 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: not clean at all, Like what can you actually realistically 726 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 2: rely upon. It's not that they think he's gonna be bad. 727 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 2: I think last year he got a little bit unlucky. 728 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 2: But like at the same time, it's the reliance. So 729 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 2: maybe that is why there's so much excitement, and especially 730 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 2: like when now we know that the Mets are gonna 731 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 2: turn through minor league and just make demons out of 732 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 2: nowhere where Jack Wendinger's popping up at in the top 733 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 2: one hundred lists. Santucci's a guy that people have gotten 734 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 2: excited about, and even from the bullpen side, like Lambert 735 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 2: Dylan Ross, like we might start to see these I 736 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,479 Speaker 2: don't want to say random draft picks, because it's not 737 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 2: really fair to them, but these guys who were not 738 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: projected as these top top arms coming up and having 739 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: some excitement. And I know, Lance, when we were talking 740 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: with you about prep, you mentioned a lot of those 741 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: guys like Lambert and Raw and Santucci and Weninger, like 742 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 2: from pitching development standpoint. Now in the miners, Like, what 743 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 2: makes you excited about those guys? 744 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're very different than the template they've 745 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: gone towards, like I'm talking about McLain and Scott and 746 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: these like kind of big extension lower slot guys, like 747 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: to think of Santucci Wenager more in like the tong 748 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: area where they're like higher release point guys. Both of them, 749 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: they're both up around like six point three six point 750 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: four feet, which is I think someone around like the 751 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: eightieth percentile, So their release point in space they're throwing 752 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: from is higher than say, like eighty percent of pitchers. 753 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: And as a result of that, I would say both 754 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: these guys have more like downhill playing fastballs as it's 755 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: traditionally thought of as a poe to the more tong 756 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: McLam or not tong. So he's mclaimed Freddy Pearl to 757 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: like flat approach ones I was talking about. So it's 758 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: kind of like the other end of the spectrum on them, 759 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: which I think it's still the larger point that the 760 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: Mets have done a really good job by ding and 761 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: developing a variety of different kinds of pictures. So a 762 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: lot of the time when I look through like aggregated 763 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: minor league stats. You'll run into like very clear tendencies 764 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: on teams, or it's like we do this well, so 765 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: we will absolutely hammer it based on what our models 766 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: are saying. And I've been told by a lot of 767 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: people oftentimes when I id these things, but I'm my 768 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: ding is literally what their models are telling them. It's 769 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: not necessarily like Stearns in a room going I really 770 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: want high slot guys. It's more like they build a 771 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: model and then like the model is like, we think 772 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: this is the perhaps undervalued angle of development, for example, 773 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: and we think of the Red Sox thy every single 774 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: dude on that team cuts their fastball from a minor 775 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: league perspective, aside from like Payton tollyan early, which is 776 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: really random, but like the Mariners really low slot sink 777 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: very few forcing fastballs. The Guardians are like low v low. 778 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: You know, we build the velo up. We're cool taking 779 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: high floor guys because we know when I was signing 780 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: the big dudes. In free agency, the Mets are again 781 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: existing in this beautiful kind of point I would say 782 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: in space where they're the tendencies are showing from who 783 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: they've developed. These guys are different they're very different pitchers, 784 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: and they've optimized a lot of them. Winninger to me, 785 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: is it Whenninger when injured, we're not sure. 786 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 4: Now he's heard and when we get that new sounds 787 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 4: better and we need that new pronunciation guy to come 788 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 4: out and hopefully he's doing this season. 789 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 3: But that's we're waiting for right now. 790 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he to me is like he's he's a 791 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: little higher Florda than Santucci. It's forcing he's already throwing 792 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: a sinker, which I find interesting because he he's not. 793 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: He's behind the ball well enough. He is somewhat a 794 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: fishing in his spin. Usually these guys who add sinkers 795 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: too late. So when I look at him, because how 796 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: good the change up is, I would imagine it's either 797 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: a split or kicking. Based on some of it's a split. 798 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: There were perfect so it's like low spin, right, So 799 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: I just assumed he was not throwing like a true 800 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: change up. So split like the four scening split com 801 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: is really fun. So like generally with that template, you 802 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: think he would be great versus left handed hitters, which 803 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: he is, and then my brain immediately would go towards, Okay, 804 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: what's the righty like, what are the issues with the 805 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: right handed hitters. I wonder whether the fact that he's 806 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: already thrown a sinker a good amount of the time, 807 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: even though it's not like an amazing shape, it's probably 808 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: weird for some of the like double A guys to 809 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: see like a high slot dude already throwing a sinker. Generally, 810 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: these like sinkers are added late. We're seeing that with 811 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys who are more efficient I 812 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: think of like like TODs Bradley and Chris Pattick and 813 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: some of these other weird arms you know, that are 814 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: more like forcing change, Like now they add sinkers late 815 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: Whenninger already has that. I think that's helping him in 816 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: the minders a bit. You know. It seemed to me 817 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: like there was some iterations of a curve and a 818 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: sweeper in there, But I actually think a cider's pretty 819 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: good too. And so you I'm saying this like good 820 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: forcing split good versus lefties, but the mix as it 821 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: presently is constituted is actually decent versus right handed hitters 822 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: as well. And I think they they clearly view these 823 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: guys from what I've heard, as like one of these 824 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: dudes has got to take a step, you know, and 825 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: we they probably expect one of them to take a 826 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: step between Santuccine winning gear, and to me, I'm not 827 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: entirely sure like what this step is for winning gear. 828 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: To me, like his repertoires built out, there's interesting release 829 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: trait stuff going on here that I think should help him. 830 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: You know, I'm just curious. I think it's literally just 831 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: a matter of like, hey, how is this look with 832 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: the MLB ball at triple A? And then we go 833 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: from there, you know, like I don't know if there's 834 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: anything profound for him to work on, so to speak. 835 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: So I view him higher floor. Santucci is a bit 836 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: different lefty again, high slot. He's got nice extension. The 837 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: forcing is very steep into the zone. My concern with 838 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: him is that the forcing location is like kind of crazy. 839 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: I just everywhere in the zone. If you look at 840 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: his plots, it's like, I don't entirely know, like it's 841 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: actually zone enough to be like reasonable. He's walk rate's 842 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: a little bit juiced over a guy like winninger and stuff. 843 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: But I'm a little bit concerned around that because I 844 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: don't think command is something it's a it's a harder 845 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: thing to improve, a harder thing to predict improvement on. 846 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: So I think Santuchi is a bit more reliever risk, 847 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: but the slider is so good that I do think 848 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: there's a window for him to just rip this pitch 849 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: a ton as a lefty and maybe like the comp 850 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: I had down was like a little bit like, I 851 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: don't like this comp, but it makes sense, and theory 852 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: to me is like Blake Snell, where Snell is historically 853 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: yeah it's a great cop, right, great, it's Snell historically 854 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: has always been taxed as this guy who does not 855 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: have command. I would argue he just doesn't like throwing 856 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: pitches that are hittable in behind account spots, so he's 857 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: willing to just walk you Yeah, you know. So I 858 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: don't like the comp because I think Snell has more 859 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: command than people think, whereas Santucci, on the Forurcen doesn't 860 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: seem like he had a lot of command. The other 861 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: comp is maybe like a little like Carlos Rodanni, you know, 862 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: in terms of how he throws. It's like really heavy 863 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: forcing slider. It's again it's a little bit higher a slot. 864 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: Rodonomously developed the change of Laton's screw to which I 865 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: think is pretty important as a curve. But yeah, I 866 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: mean it's it's a really good slider. It's not in 867 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,359 Speaker 1: the McLean territory being a sweeper. It's really like tight 868 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: short pitch. It's actually pretty similar to winning Gears in 869 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: a way, which maybe gets to the point again off 870 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: the met's doing a really good job with like different 871 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: armslots and machinations of pitchers and making them good. So 872 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 1: so yeah, that's kind of how I view those two. 873 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: So what sint Tucci is very obvious. It's just like, Okay, 874 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: the slider's amazing. Where on Earth is the for some command? 875 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: Is it like at least a little bit tighter around 876 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,919 Speaker 1: the zone as opposed to being like sprang up pulling 877 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: it down in for college strikes occasionally and such where 878 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: I think it can get beat up in the majors. 879 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: So I'm fascinated to see I would I think I've 880 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: had historically Santucci over winning Year. I think if I 881 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: were to redo things now at flip winning year up, 882 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: it's playing on the idea of like more strikes more 883 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: just higher floor. I think I'm starting to lean towards 884 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 1: that as like an analyst a bit more than like, 885 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: oh my god, look at this dude with crazy extension. 886 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: You can't find the zone. It's like, it'd be really 887 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: fun if he throws strikes and then like one in 888 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: every fifteen of them does and you're like, you look 889 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: dumb on the other fourteen. So I think I'm I 890 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: guess I'm hedging a bit by leaning a little bit 891 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: more on the guy who I think has a higher 892 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,919 Speaker 1: probability of being a major league starter. But yeah, both 893 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: these guys I think have arguments this top one hundreds. 894 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: I would say they're both arguments on like top forty 895 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: pitching prospects, top fifty pitching prospects. And I'm fascinated to 896 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: see how both of them look early this year. Imagine 897 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: we'll get some spring looks at them. 898 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 4: Blancher was so fun because last year it felt like 899 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 4: he came into the season. 900 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 3: It's like a whole new guy. 901 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 7: I know. 902 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 3: Dan McKinney, I think. 903 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 4: You talked to some of the baseball who was last 904 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,240 Speaker 4: year the Met's double A pitcher coach. This year he's 905 00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 4: the assistant coach in the major leagues. 906 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 3: Underwell. 907 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 4: He talked about the fact that when Wehender came back 908 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 4: to camp last year and was just an ox like 909 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 4: he was already a big guy, but like he took 910 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 4: the conditioning a lot more seriously, the fastball velo jumped 911 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 4: up a lot, and that's how everything kind of built 912 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 4: off there. 913 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 3: Do you know where Santucci's Villo's at? 914 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, I could grab it for you. I was actually 915 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, a lot of the times I 916 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: look at year over year like changes. I actually didn't 917 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 1: look at Winninger sant Cucci. I think is ninety four 918 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 1: to five the last time I looked. Yeah, Yeah, it's 919 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: definitely it's hard. It's just like it's kind of all 920 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: over the place, and it's like a steeper approach. So 921 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, you think like the scooballs and the crouches 922 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: of the world, of these other guys who have like 923 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 1: the ver four seamen is lefty, and it's like, you're 924 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: a bit more excited about that than I think you 925 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: are with a guy like Winninger, or excuse me, with 926 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,919 Speaker 1: the guy like Santucci. But let me let me grab 927 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: that villo for you. 928 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 3: Yeah about just mixing it up right now? You got 929 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 3: anything else? 930 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: Mark? 931 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I know you're gonna have one more Sico 932 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 2: pitching question James, So I'm gonna I'm. 933 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 3: Gonna leave it to you. 934 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 2: We don't want to We don't want to keep a 935 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 2: lance here for too long. 936 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 937 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 3: No, I figure we. 938 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: Ran four to one in Santouci ninety four one on Santuchi. 939 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 4: I'll still take that and left sides any left is 940 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 4: pretty I mean one of our friends of the channel 941 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 4: here former guests of the Met Step podcast. I'm when 942 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 4: you mentioned a specifically, DM. I want to close with 943 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 4: him because he's someone that looks like he could have 944 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 4: closing in his future. 945 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 3: Give us a couple of words about Ryan Lambert. 946 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: We love that dude's fun. 947 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 4: He's a dog and he like he actually looks like 948 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 4: he could be in the back end of the mix 949 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 4: who could become a year ahead of his forty man timeline. 950 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 4: But one of the fun optionable relievers that gets a 951 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 4: chance to kind of be the first not to be 952 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 4: so crass but birth demon by the Mets pitching Lab 953 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 4: here and like it. 954 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 2: Is also funny too because like those guys will never 955 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 2: make it higher in prospect list. 956 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: But we know relievers are so important, especially for. 957 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 2: The build of a Mets team where we're gonna have 958 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 2: a lot of spots open for these optionable relievers. 959 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 3: Like why why are we excited about Lambert? 960 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say I didn't. Actually I should have 961 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: looked back at twenty four and winninger. He jumped like 962 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: almost two and a half ticks that he was ninety 963 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: two six twenty four. He's ninety four tons last year. 964 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: So that's like again Mets pitching development, like they're doing 965 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: a good job of these guys, and like on a 966 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: guy like that, you need the VLO there, you know, 967 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: like I would not be on winning your right ninety 968 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: two far, Like the probability him being a starting pitcher 969 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 1: with the majors improves immensely at ninety five Lambert, it's 970 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: super simple. The fastball sick twenty inches of vert ninety 971 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 1: seven miles per hour is a really difficult combination to hit. 972 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: He cuts the ball a lot. I think he's a 973 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,720 Speaker 1: dead ringer comp for Trevor Migil from the Brewers. 974 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 3: From what I was looking at Nice, it's like exactly 975 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 3: what we need. 976 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: One one. It's one to one, it's high slot, it's 977 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: a decent amount extension. It's big vert cut velo and 978 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of a slider, and he could rely 979 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: on that fastball sixty seventy percent of the time is 980 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: not gonna have issue. It'll come down in movement a 981 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: bit because the minor league blond plate stuff. So maybe 982 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: it's more like eighteen and a half nineteen, But you 983 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: can put that in major league base right now and 984 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: it probably works, you know. I think it's more a 985 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: matter of them. I remember talking about him couple years 986 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: ago when got drafted, where it was like he was 987 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: dumping his slot a ton to get to his slider, 988 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: and I was like that, like eight might work, but 989 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna And he's tighting that up 990 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: a bit and the slider's gotten a bit better. I 991 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: just wonder whether that is kind of the thing they're 992 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: playing with, is like, Okay, we don't think this is 993 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: ken Lee Jansen from like a one pitch throwed eighty 994 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: percent of the time and have nearly five hundred saves. 995 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,280 Speaker 1: You know, It's it's probably more like the megal area 996 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: of like we're heavily relyant on the fastball, but you need, 997 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: like this slider needs to be close to major league quality. 998 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,800 Speaker 1: It's getting there, and it seems like he's matching a 999 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: loot a bit better, which I think is against super 1000 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,720 Speaker 1: important just to not like clearly tip that pitch. But again, 1001 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: the fastball is just like so good. And yeah, I 1002 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: rarely end up on a comp where it's like this 1003 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: dude is this dude? And I'm like, I'm very confident, 1004 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: Like you look at the shape, the plots to look 1005 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 1: at the release. I think the body type is slightly different, 1006 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: but what they're doing with the ball is like it's 1007 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: one to one. Like he's literally just a Trevor Megal clone. 1008 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: And I think I think he has space on top 1009 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: thirties from a development sampole, Like if you project him 1010 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: to get saves in the majors, like you could put 1011 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: him at twenty eight twenty nine, Like good relievers in 1012 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: baseball get in that like zero point eight to one 1013 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,959 Speaker 1: point twoish war window. Yeah, and like that's that's better 1014 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: than some low probability starting pitchers that you're like, he 1015 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: doesn't have the VLA to be a leverage reliever, but 1016 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: like if he pans out, he's a five. It's like, 1017 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: I don't know, there's there's probably a lot of teams 1018 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: that would prefer a guy like Lambert over that, like 1019 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: Tweener not good enough to be a reliever leverage, but 1020 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: also probably never gonna be a four. You know, those 1021 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,919 Speaker 1: guys get caught at the back end of of top 1022 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: thirty prospect lists, and I would prefer Lambert in a 1023 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: lot of cases. 1024 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 3: I mean, we love Lambert. 1025 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,879 Speaker 4: Lambert told is the story he came on the show 1026 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 4: after being drafted that he really wanted to get more 1027 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 4: villa and they told him, to get more villa, you 1028 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 4: gotta put on weight, you gotta eat protein, and he 1029 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 4: used to just crack through the eggs in a glass 1030 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 4: and drink it. 1031 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, every single day, Lane. 1032 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 1: Come on Dedication, We're locked in raw egg Have you 1033 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: ever even No? 1034 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 2: Well, the scary part is that that, yeah, we made 1035 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 2: a deal that if when he gets called up on 1036 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 2: his debut, we're gonna drink raw eggs with him. 1037 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: So it feels like it could be coming into twenty six, which. 1038 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,319 Speaker 4: I mean, the video that we're going to make of 1039 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 4: trying to sneak the dozen raw eggs into city Field 1040 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 4: is going to be incredible. But it will be a 1041 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 4: fun moment to get with him in the bullpen and 1042 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 4: do that. 1043 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 1: But yeah, the one thing I won't mention on him 1044 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: is like the command is not mego, so I'm saying one. Yeah, 1045 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: but like you, obviously gotta get better. Can see it 1046 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: from the walker and see it from some other things. 1047 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, again, the fastball quality is so good, I'm 1048 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: fine waiting a bit and assuming it eventually gets more 1049 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: in zone and he's really good. 1050 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 2: Lance, you're the man. Thank you for hopping on with 1051 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 2: us again. We love talking baseball and pitching with you. 1052 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 2: Let everybody know at home where they can find you 1053 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 2: and how to keep up with you. 1054 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah, Lance Broz, my first four letter is 1055 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 1: my last name. Pretty much everywhere X Instagram, pretty heavy 1056 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: on self stack, YouTube are the two things I've been 1057 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,399 Speaker 1: pushing to check both those out. 1058 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 2: Yep, we will link all those in the description. Lance, 1059 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on. Thank you guys for listening, 1060 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 2: Thanks for watching. Make sure you're subscribe to met stuff. 1061 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 2: Make sure you subscribe to Lance and we'll catch on 1062 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:29,240 Speaker 2: the next episode. 1063 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 3: Peace out, Peace out, guys. Let's go, Mets.