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Speaker 1: This is One Bills Live, presented by Callida Health.

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Speaker 2: Thank God it's Friday. Welcome on into One Bills Live.

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Speaker 2: I'm Carl Jones, a sports reporter from w IVB TV

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Speaker 2: here in Buffalo. No Steve Tasker and Chris Brown today,

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Speaker 2: so they called me up from the minor leagues and

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna man this for by myself. I'm joined

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Speaker 2: alongside Chris Chapazo, a player and draft analyst.

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Speaker 3: Chris, we are a little over twenty four hours.

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Speaker 2: Away from the Bills preseason finale down in Tampa, but

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Speaker 2: we are also a little over twenty four hours away

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Speaker 2: from the end of preseason football in general for the Bills.

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Speaker 2: So excited that we can finally in about a day

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Speaker 2: or so, turn our attention to the real things in

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Speaker 2: the football that counts.

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Speaker 3: How you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing really good, Carl, Thanks for hosting today. This

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Speaker 1: is going to be a really fun show because of

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Speaker 1: everything that you just laid out. And I think based

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Speaker 1: on the showing that the Bills had in the last

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Speaker 1: preseason game, the first preseason game wasn't great on defense,

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Speaker 1: they're probably ready to turn the page two to the

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Speaker 1: regular season where we're not getting the second and third

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Speaker 1: and four string unit out there, that those ones that

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Speaker 1: have been on the sideline for so much of this

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Speaker 1: preseason are going to be ready to go for that

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Speaker 1: huge game in Week one against the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: Now, the big news of the day is the status

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Speaker 2: of Bill's cornerback Tradavius White. At Thursday's practice at the stadium,

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Speaker 2: he went down during the eleven to eleven team portion

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Speaker 2: of practice. According to a lot of my colleagues and

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Speaker 2: reporters who were at that practice, he needed help off

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Speaker 2: the field. He hobbled off the field with assistance of

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Speaker 2: a teammate. He then walked with a trainer up the tunnel,

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Speaker 2: came back onto the field after that, but then was

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Speaker 2: carted out of the stadium. Obviously a lot of history

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Speaker 2: here in Buffalo Tredevius White and his injuries. Just your

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Speaker 2: initial reaction when you saw that report, it's pretty devastating.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know the severity, but even if

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Speaker 1: he's out a couple of weeks, the Bills are obviously

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Speaker 1: already dealing with Maxwell Harston on the shelf, and who

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Speaker 1: knows that if he's going to be ready with that

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Speaker 1: injured PCL for that huge Week one game that I

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Speaker 1: already alluded to against the Ravens Z eight flowers, Rashad Bateman

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Speaker 1: a pretty good pass catching unit there with Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: throwing them passes. This is where then the Bill's depth

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Speaker 1: at cornerback Dorian Strong, the sixth rounder Dan Jackson who

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Speaker 1: they brought back, is kind of that second Reunion Tour

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Speaker 1: cornerback on this team. They might have to lean on

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Speaker 1: those players early on, and from all reports, Tredevius White

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Speaker 1: had a very good camp and it's not super surprised

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Speaker 1: given his familiarity with Sean McDermott's defense, how productive he

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Speaker 1: was in it, and what I think Sean McDermott and

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Speaker 1: Brandon Bean both spoke to early on coming off the

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Speaker 1: torn achilles two years ago in LA with the Rams

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Speaker 1: did not look good, but as he got more healthy

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Speaker 1: late in the season last year in Baltimore and then

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Speaker 1: even in that playoff game the Divisional Round against the

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Speaker 1: Bills he had a pass breakup, he was really trending

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Speaker 1: in the right direction. So there's no real substantiated reports

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Speaker 1: at this point that indicate this is a significant injury.

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Speaker 1: I think if it was something major, we would have

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Speaker 1: gotten that news already, but even if he's down or

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Speaker 1: not at one hundred percent, the Bills will be tested

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Speaker 1: at that cornerback spot opposite Christian Benford early in the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't emphasize it enough. We don't know the

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Speaker 2: severity or the status on the injury. It is a

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Speaker 2: lower body injury. But I will say when I think

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Speaker 2: about Trey White, the person and everything that he's gone

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Speaker 2: through over the past four years in terms of the aco,

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Speaker 2: the first time down in New Orleans and then Sarah

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Speaker 2: just think about the person and like, in that moment,

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Speaker 2: case may be, just a psyche as a player where

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Speaker 2: you're like, not again, this can't happen again. So I

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Speaker 2: think about Trey White and the person, let alone what

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Speaker 2: bounce back from this mentally upstairs, because as you know,

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Speaker 2: this game is there's a lot of mental that goes

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to ask you, as a former defensive

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Speaker 1: like your experience, how much of it is the mental

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Speaker 1: part of going back onto the field after a lower

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Speaker 1: of that we don't really maybe think about, even in

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Speaker 1: the media or as fans. How important is that for

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Speaker 1: someone even like Trey White that's been through a lot

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Speaker 2: I personally have never had a lower body injury that

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Speaker 2: was significant that require surgery. But I was in the

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Speaker 2: room with several defensive backs who had Achilles acls, MCLs,

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Speaker 2: and pcos. And it's one thing when the doctor clears

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Speaker 2: a year mark. But I have eyes. I'm in the

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Speaker 2: for example, after a one on one rep where they

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Speaker 2: just shake their leg a little bit and it's like,

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Speaker 2: you weren't doing that before. And I think that over time,

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Speaker 2: the further you get away from that injury, you become

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Speaker 2: more confident in your new normal. Because I sat next

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Speaker 2: to Steve Tasker, who actually broke this down a month ago,

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Speaker 2: where he said, you're never going to be the same.

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Speaker 3: You have to get adjusted to your new normal.

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Speaker 2: And that's one thing that I learned in college watching

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Speaker 2: overcome it upstairs because downstairs their legs technically they were healed.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: You obviously have the scar tissue that you have to

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Speaker 2: far longer than the year some of those guys took.

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Speaker 2: They were fine. There were different Those are the cats

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Speaker 2: But I think that is a huge portion of it.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to put a percentage on it because

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Speaker 2: it varies person by person, but a huge part of

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Speaker 3: It is how you handle things upstairs.

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Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, I wonder though, like you alluded

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Speaker 1: to the fact that Tradevius Wright has really been through

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Speaker 1: more adapt to bounce back quicker and understand, all Right,

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Speaker 1: I gotta go through whatever the rehab is, listen to

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Speaker 1: got to be ready to play. The only silver lining

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Speaker 1: I would say, and I know going to talk about

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Speaker 1: this preseason game because that's what's coming ahead. But like

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Speaker 1: you kind of mentioned in the in the intro, that

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Speaker 1: the Bills are probably really looking forward to just starting

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Speaker 1: the actual regular season with all these injuries that they've

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Speaker 1: The silver lining I think could be that for a

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Speaker 1: team that has repeatedly preached and fans I think understand,

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Speaker 1: media understands too, to playing their best football in December

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Speaker 1: and January. This might thrust someone like Dorian Strong onto

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Speaker 1: in Lamar Jackson. You're playing high level wide receivers right away,

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Speaker 1: and maybe they'll be bumps and bruises, and there probably

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Speaker 1: will be some hiccups early on. But then suddenly when

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Speaker 1: you're in November and December and even in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: you have gotten more reps and you're a little bit

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Speaker 1: more battle tested because we know how much of an

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Speaker 1: influx of young talent the Bills have on this defense,

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Speaker 1: and even though it might be shaky early on getting

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Speaker 1: those players reps, those first year pros reps might actually

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Speaker 2: You just alluded to it about the Bills trying their

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Speaker 2: best to pivot towards the regular season once they get there.

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen is not playing in the preseason finale, the

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Speaker 2: first time in his entire career that he will not

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Speaker 2: take a single snap in the preseason. I understand one

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Speaker 2: of your quarterback to get preseason reps Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: I understand why they're doing it.

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Speaker 2: They've been slow in every single September basically in Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow's career, so they just want to try something different.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the other veteran quarterbacks around the league

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Speaker 2: haven't taken a snap this year. I believe even Patrick

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Speaker 2: you know the Chiefs love to play their starters in

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Speaker 2: the preseason. I understand it from an extent where like, hey,

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Speaker 2: you have a new offensive line in front of me,

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Speaker 2: a new center group. Okay, let's get some reps in

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Speaker 2: live action and see how that works.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: The Bills have all five of their offensive lineman returning,

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Speaker 2: so that doesn't really hold weight to me. And then

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Speaker 2: also they get so many reps in seven on seven,

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Speaker 2: one on one team period where Josh is getting a

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Speaker 2: lot of live reps. In that regard, also the joint

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Speaker 2: practice with the Bears, I'm sure what was helped as well.

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Speaker 2: Where do you stand on Josh Allen not playing in

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Speaker 2: the preseason.

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Speaker 1: Man, I have always been the biggest advocate your key starters,

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Speaker 1: and most namely Josh Allen, the ragning MVP, does not

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Speaker 1: need to play in the preseason. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: worth the injury risk you mentioned Joe Burrow, and I

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Speaker 1: understand it from a Bengals perspective that you pointed out

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Speaker 1: they've started off zero to two the last three seasons,

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Speaker 1: and it's either led to them not making the playoffs

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Speaker 1: or been a catalyst why they've been a lower seed

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. But man, watching that Monday night football

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Speaker 1: game against the Commanders, if I was a Bengals fan,

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Speaker 1: I would have been holding my brat that entire game.

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Speaker 1: He took some shots. There were a couple times where

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Speaker 1: it looked like he kind of got tackled awkwardly. You

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Speaker 1: don't want to see that for Josh Allen or for

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Speaker 1: any of the offensive linemen. I mean, the Bills were

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Speaker 1: so healthy upfront along their front five last year. That

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Speaker 1: was a key component to I think why the offense

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Speaker 1: was so efficient both through the air and on the ground.

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Speaker 1: So with Khalil Shakir injured, kind of Josh Allen go

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Speaker 1: to guy underneath that he has that established rapport with

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Speaker 1: better than anyone else on the roster. With him down

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Speaker 1: as well, I don't think it was necessarily worth the

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Speaker 1: the raining MVP and has four of his first five

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Speaker 1: games at home. I think it's the right decision to

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Speaker 1: not play Josh Allen in the preseason.

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Speaker 2: And I know some people. When you watch that Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow clip of him getting tossed around like a rag

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Speaker 2: doll in that preseason game, they'll say, well, Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: put themselves in harm's way. It's hard to turn that

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Speaker 2: end of the day, they're going to want to go

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Speaker 2: Chris, we got to get off these defensive backs, you know,

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Speaker 2: Going around the NFL for a bit here, there's some

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Speaker 3: Texas right now.

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Speaker 2: Jerry Jones is going on like a media tour of

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Speaker 2: star pass rusher Micah High. I mean Michael Parsons. Excuse me,

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Speaker 2: long story short, Michael Parsons is entering the final year

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Speaker 3: Are a little contentious is a word I would use.

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Speaker 2: Even if you thought the drama, Yeah, if you thought

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Speaker 3: Unbelievable, Jerry being Jerry.

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Speaker 2: These negotiations, Chris, have just been I think even surpassed

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Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, there was the Zeke Elliott, there

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Speaker 1: And I think at his age, seeing that he's entering

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Speaker 1: But this is just not a good precedent that has

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Speaker 2: Jerry is trying to violate the CBA by not negotiating

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Speaker 3: I think that's the part that's fascinating to me.

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Speaker 2: He is publicly telling the world I am violating the CBA.

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Speaker 2: obviously I don't think it will go to that extent,

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Speaker 2: although I will say Dak Prescott went to the wire

436
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,400
Speaker 2: and franchise and pulled that off and eventually he became

437
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Speaker 2: the highest paid quarterback in football because of it. But

438
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Speaker 2: I just don't understand then the lengths that Jerry is

439
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,680
Speaker 2: going to make all of this make the s fiasco happen.

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00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 2: I understand the he wants the Cowboys to be in

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Speaker 2: the limelight. I get it from that perspective. One on

442
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 2: eighteen that has a lot of high profile guys, and

443
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure they want to compete for the division this year.

444
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,680
Speaker 2: Having your best player on the sideline watching and Jim

445
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 2: Schwartz in a hoodie is not good precedent, and that's

446
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Speaker 2: not good and not healthy for your football team.

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Speaker 3: I don't get that.

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Speaker 2: It should be in my opinion, Micah, you can get

449
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Speaker 2: a one percent markup on what TJ watches got in

450
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Speaker 2: terms of the annual annual average salary and it shouldn't

451
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Speaker 2: be that complicated after that. But Jerry's like, nah, we

452
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Speaker 2: need to draw this out for the theatrics and ratings.

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Speaker 2: At this point, I don't get it at all.

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Speaker 1: There are so many layers to this, and I'll just

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Speaker 1: quickly say that you're right from a football angle. I

456
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Speaker 1: think Jerry presents himself as like this ultimate owner that

457
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Speaker 1: just wants to win more than anyone else. But clearly

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Speaker 1: that's not the case, because you're right. If he's on

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Speaker 1: the sidelines. Name another defensive on the Dallas Cowboys, DeMarcus

460
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 1: Lawrence is in Seattle. They have a lot of young

461
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Speaker 1: players on that defensive line outside of him, so that

462
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Speaker 1: will be a significant hindrance to that pass rush if

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Speaker 1: Michael Parsons is not on the field. And secondly, it

464
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Speaker 1: is not difficult to understand, and Brandon Bean has like

465
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Speaker 1: written the book on this. If you feel good about

466
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Speaker 1: a player and you know culture wise, development wise, he's

467
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Speaker 1: fits sign him, Sign your Greg Russo, sign your Terrell Bernard,

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Speaker 1: Khalil Shakir Early Michaeh Parsons is one of the easiest

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Speaker 1: open and shut cases that you have in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Why they didn't get this done, this deal done before

471
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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett and before TJ. Watt, I really think is

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Speaker 1: like front office managerial mal practice from Jerry Jones and

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Speaker 1: Company in Dallas.

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Speaker 2: And Mike has said a few weeks back that he

475
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Speaker 2: wanted to sign last year and his agent said no, no, no, like,

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Speaker 2: let's wait and wait this out a little bit so

477
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Speaker 2: you can get more money. But mikel was like, no,

478
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Speaker 2: I want to get this out of the way and

479
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Speaker 2: be a team guy so I don't have to worry

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Speaker 2: about this any longer. And then apparently Jerry was like, cool,

481
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Speaker 2: you just got to put it down on a napkin.

482
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Speaker 2: And that's good enough for me, even though he's like, hey,

483
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Speaker 2: I bought the Dallas Cowboys that way, why can't you

484
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Speaker 2: sign your contract this way? It doesn't make a whole

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Speaker 2: lot of sense to me. I'll say that, but I

486
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Speaker 2: do want to mention about the contract portion. I believe

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Speaker 2: the Nick Bosa had the highest annual average for a

488
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Speaker 2: defensive end of a few months back or whatever. Maybe

489
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Speaker 2: it was Max Crosby around thirty five million per year. Well,

490
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Speaker 2: by waiting, that's six million dollars that Jerry Jones per

491
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Speaker 2: year is just basically wasted on just ratings and getting

492
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Speaker 2: of an attention for the Dallas Cowboys. I don't get

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Speaker 2: it from a monetary perspective. I don't get it from

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Speaker 2: a football perspective. I guess business wise, he's going on

495
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Speaker 2: this media tour first take Michael Irvins podcast. He might

496
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Speaker 2: be on Good Morning in America tomorrow for all I know.

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Speaker 2: But it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: And this is beyond Like I said, I can't reiterate

499
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Speaker 2: it enough. Jerry being Jerry, and.

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Speaker 1: I don't get it too, because like, how much more

501
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: does Jerry think the Cowboys need to be in the spotlight.

502
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Speaker 1: It's not like there's some small market team and he's

503
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Speaker 1: young owner and they're trying to get on primetime like

504
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: they're the cowboys, like they're already there, and Jerry's like

505
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: into his eighties now. Like it's just absolutely baffling. And

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Speaker 1: Michael Parsons I think has all the right to be

507
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Speaker 1: holding in right now, because again it is a very obvious,

508
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Speaker 1: like he is that franchise cornerstone that you don't let

509
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Speaker 1: walk and you give in to his demands because he

510
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: is that much of a difference maker. He doesn't take

511
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Speaker 1: plays off, he's great against the run. He's an elite

512
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: level pass rusher even when he gets double, Like it

513
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: should be so easy. And I think the thirty other

514
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Speaker 1: actual owners in the NFL would have gotten this deal

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Speaker 1: done months and months ago, maybe even like you mentioned

516
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Speaker 1: a year ago, when Parsons wanted to get it done.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Bills fans were like, come here, please please.

518
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 2: If you don't want them, we'll take care of him.

519
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: Brandon being will make him a very very very handsome man.

520
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Speaker 2: If you guys don't, you guys don't appreciate him down

521
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Speaker 2: there in Dallas, it's just we can go hours on

522
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Speaker 2: just how the fiasco is down there in Dallas. I

523
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Speaker 2: will say the documentary about them right now is pretty

524
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Speaker 2: pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: I enjoy it because I'm good.

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Speaker 2: I think I didn't live through it in the nineties,

527
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Speaker 2: so I'm really enjoying the first iteration of the Jerry

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Speaker 2: Cowboys in the nineties. We want to bring you all

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Speaker 2: at home into this show with our One Bills Live

530
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Speaker 2: Friday fan mailbag. I already see some good questions in

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Speaker 2: the tweet sheet. Make sure you guys keep sending them in.

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Speaker 2: We'll touch on them and a whole whole lot more.

533
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Speaker 2: We got to say of the Bill's roster, who we

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Speaker 2: think will make the team any surprise cut Some guys

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Speaker 2: who maybe on the bubble here there and Saturday will

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Speaker 2: go a long way and to side in their roster spot.

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Speaker 2: We'll touch that and a whole lot more. Coming up

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Speaker 2: next after the break on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: I'm Carl Jones hosting and man the Ship day alongside

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Speaker 2: Christian pass So No, Chris Brown and Steve Tasker. They're

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Speaker 2: down and on their way to the Sunshine State along

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Speaker 2: with Maddy glaff Make sure you guys keep hitting us

544
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Speaker 2: up in the Friday mail bag. Already looking at some

545
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Speaker 2: of these questions I can't wait to get to later

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Speaker 2: on in the show.

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Speaker 3: Make sure you guys keep hitting those in.

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Speaker 2: I wanna start with our state of the roster heading

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Speaker 2: into next Tuesday's cut day, a day that I'm sure

550
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Speaker 2: a lot of the players themselves are dreading, but also

551
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Speaker 2: also on the outside is very interesting to see what

552
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Speaker 2: turns into what and who shakes out where. I'm wanna

553
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Speaker 2: start with the quarterbacks. Josh Allen's making the team surprise.

554
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Speaker 2: Get that out of the way, everybody but behind him.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a position battle that, quite frankly, hasn't

556
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Speaker 2: been as contested over the past few years. I would

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Speaker 2: say it hasn't been as cutting. It's been more cut

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Speaker 2: and dry. I think this year there's been some back

559
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Speaker 2: and forth. I was there at Saint John Fisher, and

560
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Speaker 2: I thought Mike White looked really excellent in terms of

561
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Speaker 2: how the ball jumped out of his hand. And I

562
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Speaker 2: believe that Joe Brady or Sean McDermott, forgure which one

563
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Speaker 2: maybe Brandon being on hard knocks, alluded to how the

564
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Speaker 2: ball just jumps out of his hand and looks different

565
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Speaker 2: coming out, but then he gets to start in the

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Speaker 2: second preseason game and for a litany of reasons, it

567
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: was some mispasses, protection upfront wasn't great, receivers weren't getting opened,

568
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Speaker 2: some drop passes, just things then look very cohesive when

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Speaker 2: he got to start in the second preseason game. What

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Speaker 2: has been your evaluation of that backup quarterback position this offseason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there are two different quarterbacks Mike White

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Speaker 1: and Mitch Trubisky and Steve and I mentioned this a

573
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Speaker 1: few weeks ago, that assessment of Mike White in his

574
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Speaker 1: arm is I think noticeably better than Mitch Trubisky's that

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Speaker 1: from inside the pocket, he can really let it rip

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Speaker 1: down the field. He can really crank up the RPMs

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Speaker 1: at the intermediate level. The movement skills are not the

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Speaker 1: same as Trubisky and Trubisky. While I can't say he

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Speaker 1: has this amazing grasp of the offense, he has been

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Speaker 1: here in Buffalo on two separate occasions. Now it feels

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Speaker 1: like because of his starting experience relative to Mike White,

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Speaker 1: which is way way different, way more games that he's

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Speaker 1: been on the field, I think it's Trubisky's job to

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Speaker 1: lose at this point, and I would be surprised unless

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Speaker 1: we see something, you know, drastically different from what we

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Speaker 1: saw in Chicago that I think Trubisky will probably be

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Speaker 1: the backup and probably deserves to be the backup. He

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Speaker 1: can spread the football around a little bit quicker, make

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Speaker 1: those better decisions, not take as many hits, and then

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Speaker 1: if protection is it perfect, he has a little bit

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Speaker 1: of that mobility to create off structure, or like we

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Speaker 1: saw in that long throw in the preseason Week one

593
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Speaker 1: against the Giants, he can bounce around in the pocket, navigate,

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Speaker 1: slide to his lap right, or move up in the

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Speaker 1: pocket to still make throws down the field.

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Speaker 2: I will say this in terms of his athletic ability

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Speaker 2: and his ability to make plays out of structure a

598
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Speaker 2: little bit. That helps him a lot in the preseason

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Speaker 2: when you're playing behind the second and third string offensive line,

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Speaker 2: where someone like Mike White, as we saw in that

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Speaker 2: first half, he's not as mobile, so when things aren't

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Speaker 2: dressed up to a t, he's not as able to

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Speaker 2: quite frankly, just make a playout of nothing.

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Speaker 3: And mister Bisky has that ability.

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Speaker 2: Now if they're both behind the starting offensive line, and

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Speaker 2: as we all know the Bills old line is if

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Speaker 2: it's not elite, it's a tick below that. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if necessarily that'd be as big of an issue

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Speaker 2: in terms of Mike White's mobility. I will say though,

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Speaker 2: when I watched Mike White, I would have liked to

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Speaker 2: see a little bit more accuracy in that second game

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Speaker 2: in Chicago. I think that was the one thing where

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Speaker 2: I think he missed a throw early on to a

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Speaker 2: lot to believe in the right flat or whatever. Those

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Speaker 2: are some of the throws right down the right sideline

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Speaker 2: to a Tyrol Shaver. I want to see those throws

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Speaker 2: be a little bit more pitch and catch. I guess

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Speaker 2: you can say, although we are looking at the first

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Speaker 2: preseason game here where he hit a nice, beautiful backshoulder

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Speaker 2: ball to the Leviso which I believe was a two

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Speaker 2: point conversion. But I still think there's some some more

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Speaker 2: I want to see out of Mike White in his

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Speaker 2: last preseason game to see if he can maybe close

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Speaker 2: that gap and become QB two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a really good point to bring that up,

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Speaker 1: and I'm assuming that's how Mike White would be selling

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Speaker 1: himself if he was sitting in this meeting room, which

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Speaker 1: it's kind of fun that we're doing this because this

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Speaker 1: is what the Bill's coaching staff is probably doing right now,

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Speaker 1: even before this preseason game, going through the roster, giving

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Speaker 1: their opinions on these players. You're right that behind a

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Speaker 1: quality offensive line, Mike White can be a more impressive passer.

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Speaker 1: We remember a couple of years ago with the Jets,

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Speaker 1: he had that three hundred plus yard game. Then he

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Speaker 1: actually played the Bills and they kind of came crashing

637
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Speaker 1: down to Earth, but he showed that he can really

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Speaker 1: distribute the football and he's stuck in this league despite

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Speaker 1: being a Western Kentucky guy because he does have an

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Speaker 1: above average NFL arm. Your point too, about his accuracy.

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Speaker 1: That has to be where he sells himself. Where if

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Speaker 1: he's going to just be an inside the pocket thrower,

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Speaker 1: he can't be missing throws in the flat or you know,

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Speaker 1: those high percentage throws cannot be low or behind the

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Speaker 1: receiver so he gets tackled or it's incomplete. So I

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Speaker 1: think Mike White could close the gap a little bit

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Speaker 1: if he showcases better ball placement behind the hopefully what

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Speaker 1: will be a better unit protecting him against the Buccaneers.

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Speaker 3: I want to make this abundant league clear.

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Speaker 2: If seventeen has to miss a substantial amount of time,

651
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: the offense just will not be able to function at

652
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: the elite level it was last year. That's just for

653
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: any quarterback, any offense around the league. The drop office

654
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: is too great. There isn't a backup in football that

655
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: could hold down the ford for two, three months, or

656
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: even the entire season if the starter goes down.

657
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: But I do think where the backup is valuable. Let's

658
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: say a.

659
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: Quarterback has to go get a concussion check, or he

660
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: has to go out of the game for a little bit.

661
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 3: Maybe it's a half, maybe it is a week or two.

662
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: Do you have a competent backup that can hold down

663
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: the ford and make sure things don't fall apart. I

664
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: think about a few years back in the Kansas City

665
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: Chiefs where Patrick Mahomes left the game against the Cleveland Browns,

666
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: and I believe their backup quarterback was Chad Henny. They

667
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: didn't ask him to be superman because you just hold

668
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: down the ford and.

669
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: Obviously and that was the stakes were a lot greater.

670
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: But can you hold down the ford and get us

671
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: to the next week I think that's where the value

672
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: in having a reliable, trustworthy quarterback, whether that is mis

673
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: Trubisky or Mike White. Is there a quarterback that, when

674
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: you lay it out like that, that you feel more

675
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: comfortable with if you tell them, like, hey, whether it's

676
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: a half a week two at most, they can hold

677
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: down the fort and make sure things don't fall apart.

678
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's really good to paint it that way,

679
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: that Trubisky if he had to play, if Mike White

680
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: had to play a long time there, you know, the

681
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: offense would have to drastically change. The game plan would

682
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: be different. I can't say that I go into games,

683
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: even the preseason, where I think Trubisky is just gonna

684
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: light it up. But I think in this everybody eats

685
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: mentality that that being the core philosophy of this team,

686
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: just distributing the football and maybe on rollouts being you know,

687
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: getting him away from some pressure by design. I think

688
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: he can operate the offense just a little bit better

689
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: than Mike White, but it wouldn't like I don't think

690
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: there's a drastic difference between the two. And I think

691
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: the fact that Trubisky, he is the incumbent and needed

692
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: to be outplayed in training camp in the preseason. That's

693
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: the reason, more so than just how good he's been

694
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: that I think he's ultimately going to be the backup,

695
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: and I feel a little bit better about Trubisky being

696
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: able to play a half or one or two games

697
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: and keep the Bills, you know, still in it relatively speaking.

698
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a good point as well in

699
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: terms of the playbook where you won't have to change

700
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: as much in terms of boots and rollouts and sprint

701
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: out action because mister Trubisky, he's not Josh Allen, but

702
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: he's a good athlete in his own right. I want

703
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: to move on to the running backs now, where I

704
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: think the top three names your James Cook, Ray Davis

705
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: as well as Ty Johnson.

706
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: Those guys are solidified. They will make the fifty three

707
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 3: man roster.

708
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: But then after that, I think that's where things can

709
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: get a little interesting. Maybe someone else can sneak their

710
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: way onto the roster. Frank Goreon Junior is a name

711
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: that comes to mind. He's played a lot in this

712
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: preseason with the Bills risking the top three guys and

713
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: then Darrnton Evans.

714
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: Injured at the moment he showed some flat well.

715
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: I think he's even looked better than last year, where

716
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: he had a pretty darn good preseason in his own right.

717
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: Last week he did have the fumble, but as the

718
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: running the rock as well as out of the backfield,

719
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: he's looked really impressive.

720
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean, he's been one of my favorite players

721
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: to watch the last two preseasons in Buffalo. What's really interesting,

722
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I always go back to my draft

723
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: roots when I'm on the show. He did not test

724
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: very well coming out of Southern Miss, and I think

725
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: that was the core reason why Frank Gore Junior was

726
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: not selected two years ago. Everything he did on the

727
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: field at Southern Mess, his yards after the catch, yards

728
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: after contact, yards per carry, misstackle force rate all very high.

729
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: It's just that he didn't test very well. What's interesting

730
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: is that on the field he looks sudden. He looks

731
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: like he can change directions in a hurry, and he

732
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: is not someone that linebackers or safeties want to see

733
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: catching a ball in the flat, because he can make

734
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: defenders miss just with his quick feet alone, and we've

735
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: seen it between the tackles. He certainly was that runner

736
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: in college. Even though he's smaller, he certainly has that

737
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: ability to find lanes with good vision. He's someone that

738
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: I'm kind of rooting for to maybe make this roster

739
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: or be the first guy off the practice squad. And

740
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, we were just talking about can

741
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: a quarterback hole down the fort? You don't really feel

742
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: great about that if you're any team, especially when you

743
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: have the reigning MVP at quarterback. But I think running back.

744
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: I think if there was ever a game and we

745
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: saw it last year James Cook was injured, Ray Davis

746
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: goes over one hundred total yards from scrimmage in that

747
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: Monday night win over the Jets, if Frank Core had

748
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: to play behind this Bills like you said, and I

749
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: agree with you, elite level blocking unit, I think Frank

750
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: Gore could give the Bills the production that they ultimately need.

751
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: I think he's learned the system, understands where he needs

752
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: to run. There's no you know, hey, he doesn't know

753
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: the playbook yet, he doesn't know which gap to run

754
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: through and looks just like an NFL running back at

755
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: this point. So I've been really impressed with him minus

756
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: the fumble, especially with what he can do out of

757
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: the backfield that we've heard Joe Brady and company say, Look,

758
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: the backs have to be able to catch the football

759
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: in this offense. He's on that.

760
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 3: Well.

761
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: His ability to just put his foot in the ground

762
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 2: and get upfield, I think it's what's impressed me the most.

763
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: And you see a lot of young backs when they

764
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: coming to the NFL. I mean it's from every level,

765
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: whether it's a running back fromddle school to high school,

766
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: then the jump from high school to the collegiate level.

767
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 3: A lot of dancing obviously, you see it a lot.

768
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: When you look at draft prospects coming out. It's kind

769
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: of hard to project them into the National Football League

770
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 2: because you can't really dance in the league. I mean

771
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: unless you're Sae Kwon Barkley, but Frank gorg Junior, it's

772
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: not say Kwon Barkley. There's not a whole lot of

773
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: dancing that you can do in the National Football League.

774
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 2: And his ability you see it in the preseason where like, hey,

775
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: he's hitting that b gap right foot down, boom, I'm

776
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: getting up field, whether it's for three or four yards.

777
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: I'm not dancing around this. I'm not second guessing it.

778
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: And I think that's where I've really enjoyed seeing Frank

779
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: Gore Junior develop this entire training camp because obviously he

780
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 2: got a lot of reps back at Saint John Fisher

781
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: with the James Cook contract situation. The other thing I

782
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 2: will mention about Frank Gore Junior and we're going to

783
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: talk about this with a lot of these backup the

784
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 2: roster guys, is the special teams component of it tomorrow

785
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 2: down there in the Sunshine State. I want to see

786
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: what teams is he on.

787
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 3: Now.

788
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: I don't know how many teams he's going to play

789
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 2: because he's probably gonna get twenty carries, so I don't

790
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: know how much work there and want to give him

791
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: in terms of punt or koar or kickoff. But I

792
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 2: am intrigued if he's going to be a guy who

793
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: makes this roster, he's not gonna get a lot of

794
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: carries on Sunday. How else are you going to make

795
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: an impact and get a jersey on those days? So

796
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: I want I'm gonna be locked in to see twenty

797
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: and a lot of these other guys. Where are they

798
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: lining up on special teams reps? Can you make a

799
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: big play or do they trust you? To be a

800
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: pump protector in a certain unit. And I don't want

801
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: to say what hurts him, but you have someone in

802
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 2: his room sort of with Reggie Gilliam that kind of

803
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: does some of those similar things on special teams. But

804
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 2: that's one thing that I am going to be intrigued

805
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: with Frank gorg Junior tomorrow.

806
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really glad that you brought that up. And

807
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: I can understand it's the preseason, all right, the Bills

808
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: are getting ready to punt. You're going to go refill

809
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: your drink or go to the bathroom. I would just

810
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: pay attention not to necessarily what happens on the punt

811
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: or on the kickoff, but see who's out there because

812
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: those players, especially if you're like who's number twenty, who's

813
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: number thirty five, seeing who's on the field that definitely

814
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: boosts their chances to ultimately make the team. And I

815
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: wonder with Frank Gore everything that you mentioned about just

816
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: getting up field, getting north south, not dancing. I think

817
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: he has a pretty good teacher in his dad, who

818
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: was the consonment just get up field, get north south,

819
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 1: don't dance around, and just was a career overachiever. After

820
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: all those injuries at Miami and is one of the

821
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: all time leading rushers in NFL history. You almost see

822
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: not only do I think they look exactly alike, it's

823
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: kind of crazy. They run very similarly. Frank Gore Junior

824
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: is just a little bit smaller and not qut as

825
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: explosive as his dad, but is a very no nonsense

826
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: style of running. I think bodes well for today's NFL.

827
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: Actually sat down with Frank Gorge Junior last week. We

828
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: just talked about some questions for our segment we do

829
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: over at Channel four, and I acts out his pops

830
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: and I was like, Hey, how is it like with

831
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: your dad being a NFL player and all that, and

832
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: what is your fondest memory of him when you're growing up?

833
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: He goes, boy, he used to be so nervous watching

834
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: me play. And I'm like you me and your father

835
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 2: is one of the best running backs over the past

836
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: twenty five years, and he's nervous.

837
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 3: He goes, yeah, because he's scared of what's going to

838
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 3: happen to me. I'm like, Lord, have mercy.

839
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 2: I really really enjoy their friendship from Afar relationship, excuse

840
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: me from AFAR. I really like getting that tipbit on

841
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: how they kind of interact a little bit. But yes,

842
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: twenty is someone that I'm locked in on. I want

843
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: to see how he plays tomorrow out of the back,

844
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: but I do I want you to elaborate that on

845
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 2: just really quickly though. Running the rock is one thing,

846
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: but if he's going to be someone who actually makes

847
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: a difference, he's going to have to make his many

848
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: impacts as possible run the rock, special teams and then

849
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: catching the ball as well.

850
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

851
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I think not only just being that security blanket,

852
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: and we haven't really seen him targeted down the field,

853
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: but doing something with it. Not just catching balls in

854
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: the flat and then running out of bounds and making

855
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: it a three yard gain. We've seen him instantly turn

856
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: into running back mode and make guys miss, and weirdly,

857
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: because he isn't as big as his dad and clearly

858
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: as powerful defenders seem to just slip off him. He

859
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: has a lot of power in his lower half. That

860
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: was the case at Southern Miss, and through two preseason

861
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: games he is over three yards after contact per rush,

862
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: and that I mean, of course small sample size. It's

863
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: the preseason against backups, but that is a really high

864
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: number that if you're at that three yards after contact

865
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: per rush total in the regular season, you're an elite

866
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Speaker 1: level back. So Frank Gore Junior, even though you don't

867
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Speaker 1: think of him as a Ray Davis as a Derek

868
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Speaker 1: Henry type, obviously, that has a lot of power. He

869
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: has fantastic contact balance, So I think being able to

870
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Speaker 1: catch the football and it's just a throw into the

871
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: flat where the quarterback doesn't want to take ahead and

872
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: wants to get a positive gain. That's maybe a two

873
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,479
Speaker 1: yard throw and he can turn it into a six

874
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: or seven yard game. That's usually the difference in ultimately

875
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: punting or moving the chain. So I think he brings

876
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: that value that he is very much that lightning bug

877
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: that has the contact balance to pick up extra yardage

878
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: when it' seemingly not there.

879
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Speaker 3: You touched on it earlier. I played defensive back at Syracuse.

880
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: I vividly remember the times where a running back was

881
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: in the flat and I didn't want to tackle him.

882
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: Frank Gore Joyr. Was the type of running back that

883
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: I was gonna o lay and let them get that

884
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 2: first down.

885
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: Exactly.

886
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

887
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: All right, make sure you guys continue to send your

888
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Speaker 2: questions in on our Friday fan mail bag, and look

889
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: at this tweet sheet.

890
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 3: They're coming in. Please keep sending them.

891
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: We're gonna touch on the receivers as well as the

892
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 2: rest of the defense in terms of the Bill's state

893
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Speaker 2: of the roster. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back

894
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Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live. Welcome all back to One Bill's Live.

895
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Speaker 2: Carl Jones joined alongside Christoph Passo, No, Chris Brown, and

896
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker today, so we're calling up from the minor

897
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: leagues to hopefully hold down the four today and make

898
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Speaker 2: it as smooth sailing as possible. Time to dive into

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Speaker 2: our tweet sheet on this beautiful Friday. Question from Harold

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00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: do you think both Shavers and Wilkerson? Tyrol Shavers and

901
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: Christian Wilkerson can both make the fifty three man roster.

902
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: Thank you for sending that in today, Harold. I want

903
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: to quickly say I'm very impressed with both of them,

904
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Speaker 2: but I don't think it's any pathway for both to

905
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: make the fifty three man roster. Tyrol Shavers I think

906
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Speaker 2: has the best path unless something drastic happens Saturday. And

907
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: I'm knocking on wood for those who can't see me

908
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 2: right now, and I don't want anyone to get hurt.

909
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: But unless something drastic happens tomorrow, I don't see a

910
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 2: pathway for Christian Wilkerson to make this team.

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00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: I don't think so either. I know there was a

912
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: lot of bars from training camp. Hasn't done a ton

913
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: in the preseason, and you mentioned it earlier. I think

914
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: Shaver's outside of just the fact that he's been this

915
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: homegrown guy that was an undrafted pre agent a few

916
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: years ago that has made some plays. His ability on

917
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: special teams as that Gunner, I think ultimately helps him

918
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: a little. I know Christian. I think Christian Wilkerson plays

919
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: a little bit on special teams, but he's not returning kicks.

920
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's made any you know, standout

921
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: plays on fourth downs yet. So I think because of

922
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Speaker 1: you have Josh Palmer, Khalil Shakir, Kean Coleman, Elijah Moore,

923
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Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel, we can talk about them at the top

924
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: of the hour about like there's some mystery about who's

925
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: going to be that wide receiver four. But I think

926
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Speaker 1: it would be a long shot to see both of

927
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Speaker 1: those players on the fifty three men roster entering Week one.

928
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm right with you. I just don't see a pathway.

929
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Speaker 3: I don't want to.

930
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: Ever say anything is not possible at all, but I

931
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Speaker 2: think it's highly unlikely that both of them are going

932
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Speaker 2: to be on the fifty three menters roster come Tuesday.

933
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: Question from Connor, who are the biggest roster bubble players

934
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Speaker 2: either to make the roster or get cut from the roster?

935
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Speaker 2: His two are Tyrol Shaver as well as Jimmy Charlo

936
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: hard knocks Darling from this past week really really good episode.

937
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: With Bailen Specter gone, he seems to be adding a

938
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Speaker 2: big impact on special team. Special teams is always of

939
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: the most importance in the National Football League.

940
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Speaker 3: I think Tyrol Shavers.

941
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Speaker 2: Is one that we're all gonna be watching over the

942
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Speaker 2: next twenty four hours or so even beyond to see

943
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 2: where he ends up and how he plays Saturday. Jimmy Charlo,

944
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting. I don't know how much. I mean, listen,

945
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 2: crazier things have happened. He hasn't been here a long time,

946
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 2: but like, hey, if he makes a huge impact tomorrow

947
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 2: on special teams, I don't think it's out of the question.

948
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: But then now the numbers at linebacker get a little

949
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: funny in terms of the roster bubble players that I'm

950
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,959
Speaker 2: looking for. In terms of Saturday, it's the cornerback room now.

951
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 2: The Trey White injury and we don't know how long

952
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: it is. I don't want to We don't know the

953
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: status of an injury at this moment. But before he

954
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: got hurt, it was very crowded because once again we

955
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 2: don't know the status of Max Harris sin is he

956
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: going to begin the season on the pup list. But

957
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: then there's Dain Jackson, There's Dwyane Strong, There's DeMarcus Ingram,

958
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: all of those guys back there. You can throw Daikon

959
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: Hardy in there as well. I wanted to see how

960
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 2: that shakes out. So for me, it's not really one player,

961
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: it's the entire cornerback room at large.

962
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: I'll stick at wide receiver that I alluded to this earlier.

963
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: I want to see Curtis Samuel and or Elijah Moore

964
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: on the field making some plays because I was really

965
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: excited about that right after the draft signing of Elijah Moore.

966
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: He's been productive on two really bad teams, the Jets

967
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: and the Browns. That did not have good quarterback play.

968
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: The last couple of seasons, there wasn't a lot of

969
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: buzz from camp on Elijah Moore. The joint practice apparently

970
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 1: was like the one where kind of the light bulb

971
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: came on and the reporters on hand there in Chicago

972
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: were like, Oh, that's why this guy was an early

973
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: second round pick. I haven't really seen it though in

974
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: the preseason games to this point, and we haven't really

975
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: just seen Curtis Samuel on the field last season and

976
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: he was kind of the big ticket signing for this

977
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: team at wide receiver, and all we heard is say, hey,

978
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: you know his foot, he was never fully healthy. Then

979
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: late in this season and in that playoff game against Denver,

980
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel was apparently pretty healthy, made some plays, and

981
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean spoke to you know, hey, look if he's healthy,

982
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: he's still young, he's still explosive. He's kind of this

983
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: gadget guy that can stretch the field. I want to

984
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: see one or two of those receivers make some plays

985
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: because I think at this point that wide receiver four,

986
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: which on most teams is like, hey, wide receiver four,

987
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: how many targets is he getting? I think it matters

988
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: on this Bill's team because of the everybody eats mentality,

989
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: and they're kind of, maybe alongside Josh Palmer, trying to

990
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,959
Speaker 1: replace the Amari Cooper Max Collins production from a season ago.

991
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: So I want to see I think Corner's a great

992
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: position to also pay attention to, but I want to

993
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 1: see Curtis Samuel and or Elijah Moore make some plays

994
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: on Saturday.

995
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: Thank you Connor for sending that one in. Yeah, Elijah Moore,

996
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: He's been with a lot of run with the ones,

997
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 2: but he's to run with the twos, So you never

998
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: know how that really goes in terms of how the

999
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: coaches are leaning in that direction. I imagine a lot

1000
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: of the twos reps is because of the fact that

1001
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: he's going to play in the preseason with Mitch tr

1002
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: Whisky and Slash or Mike White. We're gonna touch on

1003
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: those receivers at the top of the hour and the

1004
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: state of the Bills roster. Thank you guys for that tweet.

1005
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: She can't send it them in, Please keep doing it.

1006
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: I love these questions that we're getting. Even a couple

1007
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: of just came in. Thank you for that. Don't go anywhere.

1008
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 2: On One Bill's Live, we got a whole whole lot

1009
00:47:28,320 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: more for you. Stay white with us.

1010
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 4: These One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health.

1011
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 3: Welcome on back to One Bill's Live. I'm hosting today.

1012
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: Carl Jonds joined alongside Christian pass So, No Brownie, and

1013
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker. They are down at Tampa, Florida for the

1014
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: Bills preseason finale.

1015
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 3: Chris, the weekend is here. Weather's good.

1016
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: I'm just so excited for I don't want to look

1017
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: past the preseason game, but I'm just so excited for

1018
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 2: football to be back.

1019
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, after that preseason game is done and

1020
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: the clockheads zero, it's like a flip has switched and

1021
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: it's like we're ready to go. You're obviously not getting

1022
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: a game until you know, a full week later, but

1023
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: then it's into that chaos of game day off, then

1024
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: midweek practice, check the injury report, Who are you playing

1025
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: next week? I'm very much not wishing away the final

1026
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: days of summer, but I am very much like you

1027
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: and probably like everyone watching and listening, really excited for

1028
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: just football season to be back. College football on Saturdays too,

1029
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: but also this Bill season. I've said many times is

1030
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: this offseason. There are some young pieces that are going

1031
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: to have to earn the right to play and earn

1032
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: themselves a spot on this roster. But I think this

1033
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: is the best and most complete Bills roster that they've

1034
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: had since twenty twenty.

1035
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: I'm so happy you mentioned that right there.

1036
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 2: I told Matt Bovy, sports director over at Channel seven

1037
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: earlier this offseason, he's been here, he's lived in Western

1038
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: New York his entire life, and I've been around the

1039
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: team since twenty twenty one, and I said, man, I

1040
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 2: think there's something different about this teams in terms of

1041
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: the names on paper. Obviously, the games on Sundays is

1042
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: a much different story. I really like what I see

1043
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: in terms of how the roster is constructed.

1044
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 3: Player one through fifty three.

1045
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: You mentioned college football, though that's back to back tomorrow, Ireland.

1046
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 3: I would stay in Kansas State. I can't wait.

1047
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: I know it's not maybe the big dogs that we're

1048
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 2: gonna get in Week one the following Saturday, but I'll

1049
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: take any football. I was watching high school football last week,

1050
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: some Georgia football, Like I got the itch right now.

1051
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 2: I got the itch right now, Chris. I can't wait

1052
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: to see the guys. Fine, you wasn't watching high school

1053
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 2: fooball as week worre you Please tell me no, No,

1054
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 2: I was not.

1055
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: I was not.

1056
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: See you're more saying than me. Thank you for saying that.

1057
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: We're gonna continue to touch on and we get Stanford

1058
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: Hawaii too. We get Stanford Hawaii this weekend. I think

1059
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: we do.

1060
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 3: You know. I love me to Hawaii football.

1061
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: I love that, you know, nice eleven pm start, you know, night,

1062
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: winding down, watching it with one eye open. That's definitely

1063
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 2: gonna be me tomorrow, for sure. I want to continue

1064
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: to touch on the state of the Bills roster. We

1065
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 2: already touched quarterback as well as running back, the position

1066
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 2: that everyone loves.

1067
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 3: The receivers and boy oh boys.

1068
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 2: Another training camp season where the receivers have been the

1069
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 2: have taken up a lot of oxygen, and for good reason.

1070
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 2: There's been some players who have impressed, some of who

1071
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 2: have maybe not stepped up to the level that we

1072
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 2: have expected back in April or May. I want to

1073
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: touch with the players who are locks to make this roster.

1074
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 2: Khalil Shakir, who will not play tomorrow. He is still

1075
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: dealing with a high ankle. Spring Sean McDermot said he

1076
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: is still trending in the right direction, so that is

1077
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: always good news. Before we go any further, I do

1078
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: want to touch on a player who's had a really,

1079
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: really really strong training camp as well as not so

1080
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: much preseason, but just a really strong training camp. Second

1081
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: year wide out Keon Coleman. You're someone who has watched

1082
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: them from his collegiate days and now he's here in

1083
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 2: Western New York. Just what have you made of his

1084
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: ascension this upcoming this offseason.

1085
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 3: I guess you could say, yeah, I have been.

1086
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to say a naysayer, but I was

1087
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: not particularly high on Keon Coleman because he's different. He

1088
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: is not the modern day, super quick, savvy route running separator.

1089
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: He's kind of a throwback. He's six three two ten

1090
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: two fifteen, maybe bulked up a little bit, adding more

1091
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: weight to his frame this offseason, and he just seems

1092
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: more concentrated and more dedicated to his craft of maybe

1093
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: just becoming a little bit better getting open. I don't

1094
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: think he's ever gonna be Malik Neighbors or Land McConkey,

1095
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: but if he can get open at a higher rate

1096
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: than he did last season, and then also starts to dominate.

1097
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: I'll say, above the rim on those rebounding throws, the

1098
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: back shoulder catches from Josh Allen, then I think he

1099
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: can be a very integral part of this everybody eats offense.

1100
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: He's kind of the ultimate X factor. If we see

1101
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: much of what we saw from Coleman last year, we

1102
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: know the offense can score thirty points a game and

1103
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: be one of the most efficient units in the league.

1104
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: But if Coleman really becomes that dominant presence that offense

1105
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: or that defenses excuse me, have to start game game

1106
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: planning for, and then you have of Khalil Shakir underneath,

1107
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: you have Josh Palmer potentially down the field, then I

1108
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: think this offense can go to whole new heights that

1109
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: we've never seen in terms of efficiency, production and just

1110
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: putting points on the board.

1111
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 3: I'm right with you.

1112
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: I wouldn't necessarily say I was a complete naysayer or

1113
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 2: an a sceptic, but I did have my concerns in terms.

1114
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 3: Of that archetype.

1115
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 2: You beautifully laid it out in terms of how that

1116
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: archetype of receiver isn't really seen in twenty twenty five,

1117
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: or at least doesn't excel in this era of football.

1118
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 3: When you think of a bigger.

1119
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: Body guy who doesn't really rely on with separation all

1120
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 2: too much. Usually those guys, as you know, they get

1121
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 2: kicked into the slot where you're like, okay, well some

1122
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 2: of your your big presidence will be used in that regard.

1123
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: But here in Buffalo, well, they have a lot of

1124
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: guys who are best used on the slot, whether that's

1125
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: the Khalil Shakira, a Dalton Kincaid, you're Curtis Samuels of

1126
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 2: the world. So I'm still I still want to see

1127
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: it on Sundays. But I will say the highlights and

1128
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 2: the plays that he has made and training him to

1129
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 2: this point has me encouraged into how he can maybe

1130
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 2: continue to ascend as a player into year two. Once

1131
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: to Josh Palmer, I will say he's been nicked up

1132
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: at training camp, dealing with some injuries, but when he's

1133
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 2: out there, he just smooth, smooth operator. I guess you

1134
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: can say he's not going to be an all pro

1135
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: by any means, but his attention to detail and I

1136
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: love watching the guys prepare before practice is one of

1137
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: my most fun things to do, just watch how pros

1138
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 2: prepare and how he prepares for practice. It makes all

1139
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: the sense in the world and why he's an excellent

1140
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: route runner.

1141
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's one that I have really no concerns with,

1142
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: and I think it is good to set those correct

1143
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: expectations for him, and you did so. I think perfectly

1144
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: that I don't think Josh Palmer is going to turn

1145
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: into Stepon Diggs with Josh Allen throwing him the football,

1146
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: but to then point out his preparation and why he

1147
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: was a productive player as a mid round pick in

1148
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: Los Angeles with Justin Herbert the last couple of seasons

1149
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 1: and he had Mike Williams in front of him, Keenan

1150
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: Allen in front of him, and when he got opportunities,

1151
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: he became that number one target and could win at

1152
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: all three levels. I don't have any concerns with Josh Palmer.

1153
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a steady force at

1154
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: all three levels of the field. And maybe if he

1155
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: can bring that downfield element that is like the one

1156
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: little nitpicking area that I think it was missing last

1157
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: season in Josh Allen's MVP year, then again that can

1158
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: be another catalyst to this offense moving to a new

1159
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: level of efficiency, production and just putting points on the board.

1160
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 3: We know who the top three guys.

1161
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 2: Guys are Khalil Shakir, Kean Coleman as well as Josh Palmer.

1162
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 2: Even Sean McDermott alluded to that at his presser on Tuesday.

1163
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 2: That's not the issue. They have to figure out four

1164
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: through seven, four through eight. They have to figure out

1165
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 2: that order. And I guess you can start with Curtis Samuel,

1166
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 2: someone who they brought in last offseason. Dealt with some

1167
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 2: injuries last year, so flashes, but as we all know,

1168
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 2: your best ability is availability, and he has still struggled

1169
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: with that this offseason.

1170
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 3: He is back at practice this week.

1171
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: He wasn't teams drills on Thursday, so that was a

1172
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: good sign going forward. Remains to be seen on if

1173
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: he plays Saturday against the Buccaneers, but his health has

1174
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: been the story, is his entire story here in Western

1175
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: New York. I guess, in terms of Curtis Samuel, do

1176
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 2: you think he's a lock to make the roster. Do

1177
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 2: you think that his skill set is something that's a

1178
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 2: necessity as to where they can't get rid of him?

1179
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 2: How do you assess the entire Curtis Samuel experience.

1180
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: It's very enigmatic, and I think anyone would be lying

1181
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: if they told you they knew exactly what the Bill's

1182
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 1: plans were. I mean, we might not see him tomorrow.

1183
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: Does that mean that the Bills are like we saw

1184
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: with Brian Robinson and the Commanders that they're like, hey,

1185
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: we're keeping you on the shelf because we don't want

1186
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: you to get injured because we're gonna trade you, or

1187
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: like you alluded to, does that mean hey, we don't

1188
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: want you to get hurt, because absolutely you are the

1189
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: new Isaiah McKenzie that maybe brings more running ability to

1190
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 1: this offense. It's really hard to tell, because, like you said,

1191
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: we just haven't seen that much Curtis Samuel through now

1192
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: two seasons or at least two off seasons in Buffalo.

1193
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: So I think absolutely, when he's healthy he is a

1194
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: wide receiver three or four in this league. We've seen

1195
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: him do that. We've seen him catch you know, screens

1196
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: and around jet sweeps, hit an occasional big play down

1197
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: the field. He can be that guy. It's just very

1198
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: hard to say, and I bet in the Bill's decision

1199
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: making room right now, you probably have a split where

1200
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,919
Speaker 1: some coaches or some decision makers are like, hey, look,

1201
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: I think we should trade him. He's not been healthy.

1202
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: We don't know what we really have with this player

1203
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: two years in. And there's probably others that are like, no, look,

1204
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: he's just trending in the right direction, and we do

1205
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: need that kind of horizontal element underneath beyond Khalil Shakir,

1206
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: and that certainly can be Curtis Samuel just super fascinated

1207
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: with Curtis Samuel.

1208
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: He's someone that watched from his days back in Ohio State.

1209
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: I will say I'm super glad that he put the

1210
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: put the stamp on being Michigan that one year.

1211
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 3: I'm an Ohio guy.

1212
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 2: For everyone who doesn't know so that had me had

1213
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 2: a young CJ through the roof, I thought he was

1214
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 2: gonna be in a superstar All Pro after seeing that,

1215
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 2: I will make that clear staying in that room. Elijah

1216
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,919
Speaker 2: Moore is someone who there were a lot of question marks.

1217
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 2: There were some excitement with him coming aboard quarterback issues

1218
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 2: in both in New York as well as Cleveland.

1219
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 3: How is that going to turn out?

1220
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 2: Hey, Josh Allen is much better than anyone he's ever had,

1221
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 2: So you can say, oh, it's just going to work

1222
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 2: here because he has seventeenth thrown him in the pill.

1223
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:20,919
Speaker 3: Now.

1224
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: He also dealt with some injuries early on in camp,

1225
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: but he hasn't really shown those flashes we saw on

1226
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 2: tape in both Cleveland as well with the Jets.

1227
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: I think with more what we're ultimately gonna realize is

1228
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: that it's in today's instant gratification society. And I feel

1229
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: like I'm like aging myself by saying that. But with Twitter,

1230
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: with every single rep we see from practice, the reporters

1231
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: do such a good job. It's easy to get bogged

1232
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: down with like over analyzing a training camp practice or

1233
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: a preseason I think similar to Josh Palmer, and maybe

1234
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: there's not quite as much of an established nature to

1235
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: Elijah Moore's game. With this aring offensive line, with Josh

1236
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: Allen throwing him in the football, I think Elijah Moore

1237
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: can be a productive slot receiver who can also play

1238
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: a little bit on the outside. He did it at

1239
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: Old Mess, he did it with the Jets and the

1240
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: Browns in this offense. So I think at this point

1241
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: and it is correct to say that Elijah Moore has

1242
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: not had this you know, Oh my god, this amazing

1243
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: summer at Saint John Fisher in Pittsford or in the preseason.

1244
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: He has been running routes with backup offensive lineman protecting

1245
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: backup quarterback. So I think Elijah Moore, the fact that

1246
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: the Bill signed him right after the draft, I think

1247
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: he was kind of their backup plan if they didn't

1248
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: get a receiver that they liked falling to them in

1249
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: whether it was round one, two, or three, that he

1250
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: was ultimately the guy. I think October we're going to

1251
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,919
Speaker 1: completely forget that Elijah Moore did not have a good

1252
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,959
Speaker 1: summer necessarily in terms of creating a lot of buzz

1253
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: for himself, because this is a low four to three

1254
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 1: guy that runs good routes, that's pretty sneaky good after

1255
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: the catch, and is capable of being productive in the

1256
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: NFL running with the number ones in the regular season.

1257
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: One thing to note about both Curtis Samuel as well

1258
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 2: as Elijah Moore, neither are really big contributors on special teams,

1259
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 2: which is always important for the depth of your wide

1260
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 2: receiver room. You're basically saying, these two guys who are

1261
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 2: going to take a jersey on game day are only

1262
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 2: going to play. Let's say twenty twenty five snaps a

1263
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: game at best in a best case scenario and no

1264
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 2: other way possible. They're not going to help on punt

1265
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 2: coverage or kickoff, whatever the case may be. So if

1266
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 2: they're making this roster, that means that the Bills have

1267
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: supreme confidence in them as receivers receivers first, because they're

1268
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,919
Speaker 2: not going to be a Mac Collins where they're running

1269
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 2: down on punt or kickoff or kickoff return, which I

1270
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 2: do want to make that distinction because this isn't high

1271
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 2: school or college where you have eighty ninety guys on

1272
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 2: a roster where you can the back half of your

1273
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 2: roster can be special teamers. There's only forty six guys

1274
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 2: who are active, so someone has to run down on kickoff,

1275
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 2: so it won't be those two.

1276
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that. Now.

1277
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 2: Elijah More does have some experience at a believe punt return,

1278
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: not a lot.

1279
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 3: I think that probably dates back to his time at

1280
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 3: Old Miss. You've got to go back that far.

1281
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: But that will be the if they make the team,

1282
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 2: it is solely based off of their ability to be

1283
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 2: as receivers. And speaking of special teams, Tyroll Shavers who

1284
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: has really shined this preseason, even dating back to last

1285
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: preseason and at Saint John Fisher, where he's really been

1286
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 2: a player that a lot of fans, myself included, you've

1287
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 2: talked about him as well, where you really impressed what

1288
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 2: he does with the ball in his hands. But Sean

1289
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 2: McDermott made it clear after the first preseason game they

1290
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 2: aren't concerned with his ability to run routes, go down

1291
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 2: the field, stretch the field in that regard. Can you

1292
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 2: get a jersey because you can run down on kickoff

1293
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 2: and go tackle somebody in that way. I am so

1294
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,959
Speaker 2: so excited to watch this game tomorrow and see where

1295
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 2: he lines up on those four core units because that

1296
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 2: will tell me a whole lot on how they envisioned

1297
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 2: Tyrol Shavers heading into Tuesdays cutdown Day.

1298
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he is the front runner right now

1299
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: to be the wide receiver five or six, to be

1300
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: that probably last wide receiver to actually make the fifty

1301
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: three man roster heading into week one because he's been

1302
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: developed in the program, he's I think gotten a little bigger.

1303
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: That was always my one, like very specific concern that

1304
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: the last couple of years he's like six' four and

1305
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: he was like barely two hundred. Pounds he looks like

1306
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: he's added some upper body strength to deal with press

1307
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: coverage and just the physicality that you're going to get

1308
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: throughout the route that refs are not going to call

1309
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: in THE, nfl and like you, mentioned having that ability to, say, yeah,

1310
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: Absolutely i'm going to be playing on fourth down as.

1311
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: Well SO i think at this Point, SHAVERS i don't

1312
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: want to call him a, lot BUT i think he

1313
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: has the leg up to be one of the last

1314
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: wide receivers on the roster because of all those. Reasons

1315
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: he can really bring a lot to the field on, first, second,

1316
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: third and fourth down for The.

1317
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 2: Bills, YEAH i don't think The bills want to subject

1318
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 2: him to waivers this, year BUT i do want. TO

1319
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 2: i research this a few days. Back The bills have

1320
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 2: punted twelve times in this. Preseason he's only been on

1321
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 2: punt once and now was as a. Gunner that was one,

1322
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 2: time and that was last. WEEK i BELIEVE i would

1323
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 2: hope that he gets more reps and doing so in

1324
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 2: the game. TOMORROW i know in the joint practice with

1325
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 2: The Chicago, Bears salcopaccio said that he did a lot

1326
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: of reps on punt as a punt. GUNNER i wanted

1327
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: to see him get those reps in the game just

1328
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 2: for my sake of, saying, oh, okay they do want

1329
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 2: this guy to play and make this roster Next, tuesday

1330
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 2: because that's going to be his. Path i'm all with.

1331
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 2: YOU i think that's someone that they developed the they

1332
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 2: want to see it. Through they don't want to let

1333
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 2: him go out there because there's some teams around the.

1334
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 2: League you look at their, roster the back end of. It,

1335
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 2: yeah they could use the receivers that at least get

1336
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 2: them Through week. One we spoke off air about The

1337
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 2: San francisco forty nine.

1338
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 3: ERS i don't know any.

1339
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 2: Like links, there but they need Anybody's they just traded

1340
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 2: for Sky moore for goodness, sake so they can use.

1341
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 2: ANYONE i don't think this will be a situation where

1342
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 2: if Sky moore gets, cut The bills can bring him.

1343
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 2: BACK i guess in an easy. REGARD i want to

1344
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: make this point, though with the, receivers AND i just

1345
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 2: get your thoughts on. It in order to be a

1346
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 2: depth guy and see the, field you kind of have

1347
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: to do something then bring something different to the field

1348
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 2: than with the starters have Like they're just not gonna

1349
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: sub a starter off the field for the sake of.

1350
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 2: Reps this Isn't Muni, league this isn't high school football.

1351
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 2: Anymore you have to earn your reps out. There so

1352
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 2: is there a receiver out of those three that we

1353
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 2: just mentioned that you can, SAY i can see them

1354
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 2: getting a brontload of the reps because of what they

1355
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 2: bring is so drastically different than A Khalils, shakir than

1356
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 2: A Keana coleman or even A Josh, palmer BECAUSE i

1357
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 2: think that's it's one thing to be a depth guy

1358
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 2: and just, say, oh we just like, him but, like

1359
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 2: why should we put you on a field you're not

1360
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 2: any better THAN, X y AND z ahead of.

1361
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: You that's a great. Question and to, me there are,

1362
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: two And i'll start with the guy That i've mentioned

1363
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: a lot on this show the last even like two,

1364
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: years BECAUSE i was like banging the table for The

1365
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: bills to sign, Him Laviscus. Chanald he is someone that

1366
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: is like six foot six' one two twenty five almost.

1367
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: Two thirty he's really built like a, running back, and

1368
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: weirdly he has like almost the Same Measurements saquon Barkley

1369
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: and i'm. NOT gonna, i mean like that's kind of

1370
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: where the. Comparison Ends but chanalt is a rugged yards

1371
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: after the. CATCH monster i want to see him get

1372
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,479
Speaker 1: a ball on a, tunnel screen give him a ball

1373
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: on a, jet sweep get the ball out of the

1374
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: quarterback's hands in, a hurry and just watch defenders pinball off.

1375
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: Of him in his second Season, in jacksonville he forced,

1376
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: twenty misstackles and, you're wondering is twenty miss tackles? A lot?

1377
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: Last Season Combine khalil shakir forced eighteen. Miss tackles so

1378
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: that gives you a sense of the type of yards

1379
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: after the catch ability that. He has and then the

1380
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: next PLAYER that i think does give something different is

1381
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: kind of been featured a lot On, hard Knocks. kJ

1382
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: hammler he is that smaller Just. Downfield berner he can

1383
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: take the lid off a defense and even if he

1384
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: is just running, clearing routes and you can speak to

1385
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: the impact as a former defensive back to those clearing

1386
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: routes have on. A defense i think he brings that

1387
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: more than anyone else On this. Bill's roster we didn't

1388
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: get to see him work out before. The draft when

1389
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: he was coming Out Of penn state in, twenty twenty

1390
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: but he looks exceptionally fast on. The field we saw

1391
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: the long Touchdown For mike white in that first. Preseason game.

1392
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,439
Speaker 1: THOSE two i think if players could walk into these

1393
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: roster cut rooms and say. Sell yourself chanel COULD say

1394
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: i am the rugged yards after the catch type that

1395
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: this team kind of leaned into yards after the catch.

1396
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: Last Season kJ hamler CAN say i can just run

1397
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: clearing routes and lift those safeties and deep sinking corners

1398
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: down the field to create more room at the.

1399
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 2: Intermediate, level yeah you touched it, on SPEED and i

1400
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 2: can speak on that as a. Defensive back my hamstring

1401
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 2: still hurt thinking about freshman year having A guard Louisville

1402
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 2: and clemson and the LSU's of the World. In, miami's

1403
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 2: yeah my hamstring. Still HURTS so i don't envy those.

1404
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 2: Days whatsoever calves. Hurting too i'll tell you that in

1405
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 2: terms of the, pass catchers you can't talk About the

1406
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 2: bills weapons without speaking on their twenty twenty three first

1407
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 2: Round Pick. Dalton kincaid where you're one, set records your

1408
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 2: two bit of a step back for a litany. Of

1409
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 2: reasons you can say it, was, usage injuries himself not reaching. That,

1410
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 2: standard obviously some crucial drops and. KEY moments, i guess

1411
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 2: how do you Envision the kincaid trajectory going in, year

1412
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,479
Speaker 2: Three because i'm of the Belief the bills have a lot.

1413
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 3: Of plans for him this. Upcoming, season.

1414
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah he is kind of a like we know that

1415
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: he's going, to play but he's kind of like reminds

1416
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: Me Of curtis samuel that we don't. REALLY know, i

1417
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: mean you think that that he's going to be a

1418
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: big part of. THE offense i think based on what

1419
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: happened in twenty twenty three and then early in twenty

1420
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: twenty four before, his injury they threw him the football.

1421
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: A Lot, josh allen he was the first or the

1422
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: second read in the progression quite often because he does

1423
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: have that ability to separate against linebackers. And safeties he's

1424
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: kind of that mismatch tight end where he's not going

1425
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: to give you much as. A BLOCKER and i Know That,

1426
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: brandon bean, you know kind Of nudged kinkaid in the

1427
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: direction of getting stronger so you can be more durable

1428
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: and you can move people in the. Run game but

1429
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: they drafted him to get open underneath and at the

1430
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: intermediate Level For. Josh ALLEN so I THINK i'll i

1431
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: don't KNOW if i totally agree with YOU that i

1432
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: think they have a huge plans, For him but everything

1433
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: that we've seen when he's been on the field and,

1434
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: BEEN healthy i think you're probably right that over, the

1435
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: middle as that you know it's third, and six he's

1436
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: gonna run an eight. Yard comeback they're gonna have him

1437
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: as one of the top target getters in this offense

1438
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 1: when he's healthy.

1439
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,560
Speaker 3: This, season yeah we can actually address this a.

1440
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 2: Little bit so THIS offseason i kind of ranked the

1441
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 2: most important pass catchers For the Bills at kin k

1442
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,799
Speaker 2: THIRD and i had in terms of like the importance

1443
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 2: on the, High end i'm not talking about a regular

1444
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 2: season Game. In november i'm talking about once we get

1445
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 2: to the games that Count in january, and beyond and

1446
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 2: how the importance of how it shakes out at keyon,

1447
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 2: number one for the reasons that you alluded, to earlier,

1448
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 2: where like he brings a skill set That the bills,

1449
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 2: don't have and that's something that can lift the ceiling of.

1450
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 2: An Offense At khalil, shakir too AND then i did

1451
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 2: HAVE kN k three for the sole purpose of mismatch

1452
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 2: potential that he.

1453
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 3: Provides For The.

1454
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 2: Buffalo BILLS and i think it depends on how much

1455
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 2: he develops as, a blocker because if you become that

1456
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 2: predictable as a player who's only out there on obvious,

1457
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 2: passing downs that's when defense is kinkeyan. On you do

1458
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 2: you see any rebuttal which you changed? The formula how

1459
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:18,839
Speaker 2: would you assess?

1460
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: THAT well i Think and i'm going to again go

1461
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 1: back to my draft ROOTS that i think What the

1462
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,640
Speaker 1: bill should hope to get from him and expect from

1463
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,799
Speaker 1: him at, this point if you're Talking About kean coleman

1464
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:31,600
Speaker 1: was a, you know the thirty third pick in, the

1465
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,759
Speaker 1: draft early. Second Rounder khalil shakir was a. FIFTH rounder

1466
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: i want To See dalon kinkaid making first round pick,

1467
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: type plays whether that's, diving catches whether that's making a

1468
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: linebacker miss and then stiff arming the safety and turning

1469
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 1: a six yard throw into a twenty yard game some

1470
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 1: Of Those travis Kelcey And george kittle. Type plays he's

1471
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: made those mostly in his, rookie SEASON and i would

1472
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 1: always like turn to my dad watching the game and

1473
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: say that was a first round pick making a first

1474
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: round pick. TYPE play i don't think it's crazy and

1475
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: year three now fully healthy to expect that, from him

1476
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: where maybe they're not going into the, season, like hey

1477
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna pepper him with one hundred and. Fifty targets

1478
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: but If, by october after that rush of for the

1479
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: first five, at Home if kincaid is playing like someone

1480
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 1: that was a first rounder that had like a twenty

1481
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,799
Speaker 1: catch Game at UTAH against usc not that, long ago

1482
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: then maybe the second half of, the season they're, gonna,

1483
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 1: say yeah he's actually like our number one or number

1484
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,799
Speaker 1: two in the progression on Almost Every josh allen dropback

1485
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: because linebackers are just not able to cover him and

1486
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: safeties are too small to run with him down.

1487
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 2: The field i'm not gonna put him into brock bauerst here.

1488
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 2: HE was i know you don't like the word that

1489
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 2: generational tight end type, of PLAYER and o wouldn't put

1490
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 2: him In the kittle Or Even kelsey Hall of. Fame

1491
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 2: talk but Like a, SAM reporter i don't think that's

1492
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 2: out of the question of what the bill.

1493
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 3: Should expect i'm not saying that's going. To happen but

1494
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 3: that's what they.

1495
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 2: Should expect the tight end they sure the first round

1496
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 2: a few, years back are.

1497
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 3: Coming up after, the break gonna continue looking at the.

1498
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 3: Tweet sheet you got a. Caller, online also we're gonna talk.

1499
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 2: About defense y'all know your boy left talking about that

1500
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 2: side of, the ball the real fun side of.

1501
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 3: The ball don't. Go anywhere we got a lot more

1502
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 3: for you right Here On One. Bill's live welcome all

1503
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 3: Back To One.

1504
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 2: Bills Live pearl Jones And chris shapasso subbing In For

1505
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 2: steve Tasker And.

1506
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 3: Chris brian we have a.

1507
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 2: Caller online We got butch From The. East side butch

1508
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 2: what you.

1509
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 4: Got first, of, all guys thanks for taking MORE call

1510
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 4: i love THEM. AS g i LOVE w g after

1511
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 4: the fans to listen and watching. The show you guys

1512
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 4: ALWAYS know i. Love you i'm gonna get right to.

1513
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 4: This point you know it's a couple OF things i

1514
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 4: won't really. Talk about we were talking about To real

1515
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 4: shavers and let me explain something, to You and i'm

1516
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,799
Speaker 4: gonna say this to You and chris trapped you already

1517
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 4: know you already know you Said somebody i'm getting there you.

1518
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 4: Got started but it's the thing. About this when, the

1519
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 4: gentleman the other, young gentlemen he said, about starters what is?

1520
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 4: The starter who makes? A starter is it a starter

1521
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 4: because you was drafted in a high selection or is

1522
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 4: it or you a starter because you get paid a

1523
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 4: lot of money, seeing football we don't Have Any super

1524
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 4: bowl championships On our, trumphy show so therefore we look.

1525
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 4: At starters i'm not getting caught up in the back

1526
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 4: of the names on. The jersey i'm looking at talent

1527
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 4: And See terrell shavers has paid. His dues the young

1528
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 4: general waspeinking about. Special teams you can't wait to see

1529
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 4: him Every Time terrell shavers got played on actors who plays?

1530
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 4: Special teams he can play. Special teams he is, a

1531
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 4: player Like with shakir was here and he was going

1532
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 4: to get Rid, of shakir and they gave secure opportunity

1533
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 4: dropped a bomb down. The field when he, came back

1534
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 4: joshuaen right back to him and he caught. It again

1535
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 4: and That sparked shakier's career where they finally started up

1536
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,560
Speaker 4: trusting him giving me. More plays And then securre is

1537
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 4: because who he, is now because. Of Opportunity terrell shavers

1538
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 4: is ready to have. THAT opportunity i Don't Need elijah

1539
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 4: moore on. His ROSTER why i got. YOUR cure i

1540
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,719
Speaker 4: could put a six to four kid in the slot

1541
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 4: with a six y five wide receiver going down the

1542
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 4: scene and that's a straight. Away past he's not, Throwing

1543
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 4: downhill he's. Throwing uphill because you know WHY the dbs can't.

1544
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 4: Get it you got you Have a kean on the

1545
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 4: side Who personally i'm staying. Right now i'm not talking about.

1546
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 4: The ceiling i'm talking about, Right Now terrell shavers is

1547
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 4: better than him right now, with footwork how to get off,

1548
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 4: the ball how he run. His routes but because he

1549
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 4: learned From To. Stefan diggs but the thing about it

1550
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 4: IS is i just look at him just being on

1551
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 4: the roster and he's just a fill in the wide.

1552
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 4: RECEIVER room i Look and i'm Gonna put i'm. Putting

1553
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 4: it I'm Putting joe brady. RIGHT now i hope you Listen,

1554
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,520
Speaker 4: in joe This is Butcher The. East side you're under investigation,

1555
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 4: for me just just like. He said chaunault by The,

1556
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 4: bubble screens the AKA D Bo bull i've expecting my

1557
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator to design those Type of SO when i,

1558
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 4: SAY investigation i need you to use your talent and

1559
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 4: put them in the slaps and don't look at whether

1560
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 4: they were selected in the draft or how much money.

1561
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 4: You're paying and let's Get A super. Bowl trophy then

1562
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 4: we can then we can shoffle. The day. That's, one

1563
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 4: now let's. LAST one i need to thanks you to

1564
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 4: take them my Call. This saturday i'm looking at the,

1565
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 4: Heart ease i'm looking at, The handcocks i'm looking at

1566
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 4: all these young dp b's reason being is it's time

1567
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 4: for them to put up or. Shut UP and i

1568
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 4: know they're ready. To play but this and, Now again

1569
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 4: i'm Gonna Put bobby batison. Under investigation we run in.

1570
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 4: The system these players are young and ready. TO play

1571
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 4: i want you to put them in a type of

1572
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 4: city this Game Against. Tampa bay put them in a

1573
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 4: real ideal game where you really kind of fake game

1574
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 4: planning to, the point let's see what they really can

1575
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 4: do on, their specialties whether they, can blitch whether they

1576
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 4: can press corner or whatever they. Can do, but, listen

1577
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 4: man infects you taking. MY call i love both of. You, Guys,

1578
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 4: man chris draft keep Being An all star as.

1579
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:55,560
Speaker 1: You.

1580
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 4: ARE man i, love you, my friend my, new guy,

1581
01:14:58,439 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 4: YOU know, i mean Welcome to buffalo TO. U. K

1582
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 4: man this Is what i've been called for forty years on.

1583
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 4: The STATION and i love, you man and keep winning

1584
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 4: and you guys have an. Outstanding weekend.

1585
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: Thanks, but man thank you for.

1586
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 4: The.

1587
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 3: Call, amazing no that was a lot of energy.

1588
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 2: Right there that got. ME going i FEEL like i

1589
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 2: need to go put on. A helmet i'm kidding. My

1590
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 2: hands franks will not cooperate. With that it was a lot, Right.

1591
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 2: THERE chris i guess we'll start with the beginning point

1592
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 2: that he Made With tyrell shavers and how he feels

1593
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 2: as if he's someone that should see. MORE time i

1594
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 2: guess tomorrow will be a prime opportunity for him to.

1595
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 2: SHOW that, i mean there's going to be a bunch of.

1596
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 2: Reps available i'm sure that he's going to, play majority if,

1597
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 2: not all of that first half to see what he.

1598
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 3: CAN do i will say about the special.

1599
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 2: Team's point he has played when he did make the

1600
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 2: roster last year and when he was. Called upon he

1601
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:50,600
Speaker 2: did play those special, team games but unfortunately he was

1602
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,799
Speaker 2: not always active because he's not a core. Special teamer

1603
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 2: that's the DISTINCTION that i wanted to. Make there he can,

1604
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 2: do it but are you a core special teamer to

1605
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 2: where they feel, as, if no you have to be

1606
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 2: one of the eleven running down there on kickoff or

1607
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 2: one of the gunners out there on.

1608
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 3: Punt consistently that's The point.

1609
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,719
Speaker 2: I'M making i know he can go out there and execute,

1610
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 2: his job but is it to a point where they

1611
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 2: have to keep him out there on. The, field well

1612
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 2: there was a lot right there and a lot of.

1613
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 2: Good stuff question did you want to go?

1614
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 3: With?

1615
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: That, CHRIS yeah i think butch. ALWAYS has i mean

1616
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: he brings the energy every. SINGLE call I mean i've

1617
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 1: been on the show as a bunch now and he's

1618
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: usually a caller makes. GOOD points i think the paying his.

1619
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: Due's point for as much as that can, seem like

1620
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: oh that's, old school you don't need to, DO that

1621
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: i Think the Bills and sean McDermott really. Value that

1622
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 1: where you, stay dedicated you trust. The process We've heard,

1623
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: sean McDermott that's been his. Core philosophy and one last

1624
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 1: POINT that i want to bring, up too is That

1625
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 1: tyrrel Shaver's Undrafted San. Diego state, You're, thinking okay he's just.

1626
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 1: AN overachiever i went back. TO look I think i

1627
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: did this. Last year he was the number twelve overall

1628
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: high school recruit, at receiver in the same Class As

1629
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 1: devonte Smith And cdee lamb And. T hagen so this

1630
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 1: is not someone he started his Career, at alabama things

1631
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: didn't work, out there Transferred To San diego state and

1632
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: was really productive for as much as he would be

1633
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: an OVERACHIEVER by, nfl standards Because Of San diego state

1634
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: and because he, was undrafted this is someone that at eighteen,

1635
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 1: years old the entire country thought he was going to

1636
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: eventually be a first or a second. Round PICK so

1637
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 1: i think paying, his, dues yes he's, done that and

1638
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,560
Speaker 1: there is pretty good nuance to his game as a.

1639
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 1: Route runner at six. Foot four he really is kind of,

1640
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: that consummate trust the process type of developmental PLAYER that

1641
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 1: i think, you know everyone would agree has earned the

1642
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 1: right to ultimately see some targets in the regular season at.

1643
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 2: WIDE receiver i know, in sports the word deserve gets

1644
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 2: thrown around, a lot and there's nothing that you truly deserve.

1645
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 2: In sports is kind of, just TAKEN but i will

1646
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 2: say it is awesome for the morale of or locker

1647
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:50,959
Speaker 2: room when you see a guy like that get rewarded

1648
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 2: for the grind that he has. PUT in i mean

1649
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 2: that's Something that bush touched on and you just mentioned.

1650
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,600
Speaker 2: AS well i think that's. What matters, of course deserved

1651
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 2: and earned is, tough BECAUSE like, i mean in this,

1652
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 2: in sports none of that stuff, is guaranteed like. Nothing

1653
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 2: IS but i think that would be great for a.

1654
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 2: Locker room and then on the other side of the

1655
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 2: bar where he touched on the defensive backs and wanted

1656
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 2: to see what. They got i'm truly locked In To.

1657
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 2: DORIAN strong i was high on him coming out of

1658
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 2: the draft Out Of. VIRGINIA tech i thought that his

1659
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 2: athletic profile and what he put on tape was something

1660
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 2: That the bills will want and lo and behold they.

1661
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 2: Drafted him this, training camp he's been up and down.

1662
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 2: Per SE so i want to see a how does

1663
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,640
Speaker 2: he look AND be i don't think he's a.

1664
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 3: GUARANTEE lock i know this more than likely they keep

1665
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 3: him on.

1666
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 2: The fifty three man roster because he's a rookie and

1667
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:39,600
Speaker 2: you don't want to give up on a guy. THAT

1668
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 2: quickly i Think Of alex also in a few, years

1669
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 2: back who got scooped up By. The Patriots but i'm

1670
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,719
Speaker 2: really intrigued with what he has going on because there's

1671
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 2: been DAYS where, i, THOUGHT yes i see him sticking

1672
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 2: around in, this league and there's some days where he's

1673
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 2: a little bit rougher around the edges out there.

1674
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 1: At, Cornerback yeah i'm gonna Borrow for butcher's point, AGAIN

1675
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 1: too i wouldn't Hate If bobby babbage did throw some

1676
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 1: game plans at these. Young players you know that you're

1677
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 1: not having the starting defensive unit, out there then probably

1678
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 1: none of them will play. At all maybe some of

1679
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,719
Speaker 1: the rookies, up front like the rotational pieces this, upcoming

1680
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 1: season MOST. Likely, Tj Sanders, Dean walker but in terms

1681
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 1: of the, d backs put some more on. Their plate

1682
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 1: show them, and, say look we're, you know if it's third,

1683
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: and long we're gonna run this disguise coverage and see

1684
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: if they can be in the. Right spots don't, just,

1685
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: say hey you're gonna go out there and just. Play

1686
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: football give them a little bit of a test run

1687
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,600
Speaker 1: or an audition to what it would be like if

1688
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 1: they ultimately have to play Because Maybe dorian strong will

1689
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 1: have to actually play in the Month of september given

1690
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: the injuries. At CORNER so i like that Point. From

1691
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 1: butch Whether It's, dorian STRONG who i, ALSO liked I

1692
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: Loved jordan hancock. His versatility we don't know if he's

1693
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: going to play yet with. That Shoulder Even, derek forest

1694
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: who they signed in free agency and has made plays

1695
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 1: IN the nfl and has been a productive player, at

1696
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 1: safety give them, an actual real run through in this

1697
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 1: Game on saturday as to what it would look like

1698
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: if they play in the.

1699
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,680
Speaker 2: Regular season bush from The, east side. MY dog i

1700
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 2: really appreciated, that question. That comment whatever you want to

1701
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 2: describe that as all that. Was good it was so

1702
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 2: much energy. With that staying with the state Of the,

1703
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 2: bills roster might as well segue that right into the defensive.

1704
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 2: Back Room, christian benford he's, next UP and i know

1705
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 2: that next up Here In Western. New york you're gonna

1706
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 2: say what he's, been like he's been. This good well,

1707
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 2: FOR one i think this past month he's looked like a,

1708
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 2: Different player like not just on, the field. BUT verbally

1709
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 2: i can hear him now like for those who, Don't

1710
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 2: Know Like christian benfort isn't. A talker he doesn't really talk.

1711
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 2: A lot like one on one you can get him

1712
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 2: to speak a. Little bit he's Not Quite matt, malono

1713
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 2: quiet but like he does not not really. THAT vocal

1714
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 2: i hear him now on, the SIDELINES which i think

1715
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 2: is very intriguing for the next step in. HIS development

1716
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 2: i guess when you watch forty seven, this year what

1717
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 2: is what are you expecting from him and how high

1718
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 2: do you think he can take.

1719
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 1: HIS game i think he could become him a top

1720
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 1: five to seven cornerback in the league and be one

1721
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,719
Speaker 1: of the more. Unique cases not just because he Played,

1722
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 1: at villanova not just because he was a sixth. Round

1723
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: pick we've seen some later round guys become all, pro

1724
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:11,879
Speaker 1: types but the fact that we've seen him make plays

1725
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 1: and be instinctive and zone to plant and drive on.

1726
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 1: The football we've seen him run, with bigger faster or

1727
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:23,879
Speaker 1: smaller and quicker, wide receivers and he's a, tremendous TACKLER

1728
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: and i think that's what ultimately got him onto the

1729
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 1: field early on and got him those reps With the

1730
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: ones during his rookie season in twenty twenty two and

1731
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,799
Speaker 1: ultimately led to him starting as a sixth round Corner

1732
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 1: in week one As Opposite. Trey white so he's SOMEONE

1733
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 1: that i think can Give the bills everything that they want.

1734
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: To do if they want to play more. Man coverage

1735
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 1: with his new assistant coach on the, Defensive Side, ryan

1736
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: nielsen that has a extensive man, COVERAGE background I Think

1737
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: christian benford can. Do that he can make plays on.

1738
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 1: The football and for as much as teams want to

1739
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 1: stress the outside of the field to get players in space,

1740
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 1: outside pitches wide receiver screens because they want to target

1741
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 1: those corners that don't want, to tackle That's Not. Christian

1742
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: benford he is, a great very sure tackler. As well

1743
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,440
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't surprise me if he stays healthy.

1744
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 3: By the end of.

1745
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: The season after this new contract that, he signs he

1746
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 1: starts to finally get that dude NATIONALLY that i think

1747
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 1: he's deserved for a while as a top five to

1748
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 1: seven cornerback IN.

1749
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 2: THE nfl i just want to see him travel a,

1750
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 2: little BIT and i Know the bills play a lot

1751
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 2: of his own and They don't they want to do

1752
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 2: a lot of disguising with. THEIR cornerbacks i just think

1753
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 2: back To The Los angeles, rams game fourth, and, five

1754
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 2: fourth maybe third, and five the pukakuaz screen Touchdown JaMarcus

1755
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 2: ing regarded him Instead Of. CHRISTIAN benford i just want

1756
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:43,679
Speaker 2: to see more example and he. Has travel i've watched

1757
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 2: the film back. This offseason he does follow wide receiver

1758
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 2: ones a. LITTLE bit i just want to see him

1759
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,600
Speaker 2: do a little bit more this. Upcoming year now, BEYOND

1760
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 2: him i think there are a lot of. Question marks

1761
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:53,760
Speaker 2: obviously we talked about at the top of. The show

1762
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 2: we don't know the Status Of trey white at. The

1763
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 2: moment we don't know the severity of his injury or

1764
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 2: exactly what the injury is at, This MOMENT so i

1765
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 2: want to push him to the side for a. Second

1766
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 2: Here The max harrison conversation is very intriguing because we

1767
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 2: also don't know the severity or where he's going to

1768
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 2: come back from his.

1769
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 3: Knee sprain.

1770
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 2: In, your eyes do you think this is a player

1771
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 2: and you evaluated him coming Out of kentucky for the

1772
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 2: past few years, Or so in an, ideal scenario what

1773
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,719
Speaker 2: does he bring To this bill's defense that will present

1774
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 2: something different that they haven't had in the past elite.

1775
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 1: LEVEL athleticism i think that was the biggest key that

1776
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: for so many other roles on. This team entering, the

1777
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 1: draft it, Was, like hey they just need to raise

1778
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: the floor at, wide receiver, at linebacker, you know along the,

1779
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:45,679
Speaker 1: offensive line, defensive front. AT corner i Thought the bills

1780
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 1: needed to aim to raise the Ceiling And max harriston

1781
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: with the four two, eight speed with the extreme twitchiness

1782
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 1: to plant and drive on the football or just run

1783
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 1: man coverage and just stick With someone that was obviously

1784
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 1: a problem As the bills dealt with injuries in the

1785
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: cornerback room, last season and really even before, the injuries

1786
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 1: they were not the best team that had to face

1787
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: quality separators when they had when they couldn't. Play ZONE

1788
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: so i think That's what harrison ultimately brings and. VERY

1789
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: quickly i think we've talked so Much About. TYRREL shavers

1790
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 1: I Think JaMarcus ingram is Like The tyrrell shavers of the.

1791
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 1: Cornerback room he, was undrafted he made, his mark and

1792
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 1: he's actually made more plays in the regular Season. Than

1793
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 1: shavers obviously he's gotten. More opportunities he seems like that

1794
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 1: other player that's paid his dues doesn't look. The part

1795
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 1: wasn't a high draft pick, at all doesn't have a,

1796
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:38,679
Speaker 1: you know a four to four or a forty inch

1797
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: vertical on. His resume but it's kind of that trust

1798
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: the processed PLAYER where i Think the bills could maybe

1799
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 1: lean on him early on and get quality results from

1800
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 1: him as someone that's been on this roster and really

1801
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 1: knows this defense like the back of.

1802
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 2: His hand he's also a player who has played a

1803
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 2: lot of, special TEAMS which i think will go a

1804
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 2: long way in his case for making the fifty three. Man

1805
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 2: roster we have another, Caller online Ark From west senica

1806
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 2: does not Agree.

1807
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 3: With butch what You?

1808
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 5: Got, mark, hey guys how are?

1809
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:06,600
Speaker 2: You?

1810
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 5: Today?

1811
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 3: Good, MARK yeah I.

1812
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 5: LOVE butch i grew up On The east, side automatically

1813
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 5: that makes him one of the smarter guys. That call

1814
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 5: so that, being, SAID yeah i really don't LIKE when

1815
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 5: uh fans call up and they paint a wide brush

1816
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:32,640
Speaker 5: on how McDermott and bean DO business uh and to

1817
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 5: insinuate that you want to or he came right out and,

1818
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 5: said it he doesn't want to see them look at

1819
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 5: the back of the name on the back of the

1820
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 5: jersey or whatever and he wants to evaluate. The, talent

1821
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 5: well when you look At the, bills roster you just

1822
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 5: Brought Up, JaMarcus ingram There's cam lewis most, Most recently

1823
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 5: Joannes Recent, christian benford who was actually a, draft pick

1824
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 5: but the. Low one to say that they give they

1825
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 5: may give opportunities to guys who they've evaluated with the,

1826
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 5: highest talent which any organization will do at. The beginning

1827
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 5: But the bills are awesome at throwing things at the

1828
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 5: guys who they, bring in whether they're undrafted or low,

1829
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 5: draft picks see what they, can handle and as they

1830
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 5: show they can, handle more they continue to give them

1831
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 5: more opportunities and. More opportunities and you see guys on

1832
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 5: our roster that are undrafted making the fifty three ahead

1833
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 5: of guys that actually. Were drafted so to, insinuate that,

1834
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 5: you know in Our own shavers is one of The

1835
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 5: guys bricho likes to, talk about and. He should tyrell

1836
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 5: has obviously worked his butt off and has hung a

1837
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 5: round for. Three years but Obviously the bill saw something

1838
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 5: in him enough to keep, him around enough to keep

1839
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 5: giving him more, and more and, at whatever you have

1840
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 5: to trust their. Evaluation process he may not been on

1841
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 5: a fifty three man for, very long or even before,

1842
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 5: last season but they're now seeing in him what they

1843
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 5: hope they, could get and THEY'RE about i believe he

1844
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 5: made the, TEAM already i. REALLY do I thank shavers is.

1845
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 5: Number six they're gonna keep at, least six and they're

1846
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:19,600
Speaker 5: gonna have a nice group of Six with tyrrell being the.

1847
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 5: Sixth guy but they're at the point now they're saying he's,

1848
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 5: earned it but not only has he's, earned it he's.

1849
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:31,600
Speaker 5: Now producing so to Insinuate the bills put more priority

1850
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:36,719
Speaker 5: on draft status, OR whatever i think he's. One. WRONG

1851
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 5: now i don't know if that's what which was actually trying,

1852
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 5: to say but that's the way it came across, to

1853
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,799
Speaker 5: ME and i totally disagree. With THAT so i trust.

1854
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 5: THEIR process i trust their, evaluation process and as Far as,

1855
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 5: i'm Concerned the bills do a great job of not

1856
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 5: worrying about where the guy's status is within the draft,

1857
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 5: or whatever but giving. Ice opportunity if you, can play

1858
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 5: they're gonna give you. A chance so THAT'S all i have.

1859
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: To.

1860
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 5: Say, Guys Thanks.

1861
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 1: Thanks Mark.

1862
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:09,600
Speaker 3: Thanks mark i'll just give a quick reaction to that

1863
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 3: before we get. The break.

1864
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 2: HE'S right i Think the bills have given an ample

1865
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 2: opportunities on this roster over the past five.

1866
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 3: Six years if you, can play you.

1867
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 2: CAN play i think the safety position will be where

1868
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 2: that will be tested a little bit coming up, Shortly

1869
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 2: here any quick thoughts.

1870
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 1: On, That, NO yeah i think that's a, perfect point

1871
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 1: AND that i think we're Gonna See tyrrel shavers get

1872
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 1: targeted in the. REGULAR season i Agree. WITH marky i

1873
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,759
Speaker 1: think he's gonna make the team and those dudes will finally.

1874
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 1: Pay off, and yeah That the bills have a long

1875
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 1: track record of just putting the best players on, the

1876
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 1: field regardless of contract status or.

1877
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 2: Draft status sounds good in, the OFFSEASON but i Think

1878
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 2: the bills live up to that when the games.

1879
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,639
Speaker 3: Actually matter where if you, can play you. Can play we'll.

1880
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 2: Touch on that when we come back after. The break don't.

1881
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 2: Go anywhere we got a lot more coming.

1882
01:28:51,240 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 3: For you right Here Are One. Bills live welcome Back

1883
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 3: To One.

1884
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 2: Bill's live before we get up out, Of, here chris

1885
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,679
Speaker 2: is there one player that you're looking forward to watching

1886
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 2: in the preseason?

1887
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:13,639
Speaker 3: Finale Tomorrow.

1888
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 1: Dereck forrest he's someone that we haven't talked about. A

1889
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 1: Lot the bills signed him in, free agency and in twenty,

1890
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: Twenty two forrest was thrust onto the Field. In washington

1891
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:27,639
Speaker 1: had eighty eight tackles and, four interceptions so he can

1892
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 1: play in. This League the bill's safety spot is kind

1893
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 1: of in flux. Right now certainly want To Watch, cole

1894
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 1: bishop but if there's one PLAYER that i think could

1895
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 1: actually sneak into someone of a, prominent Role It's derek

1896
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 1: forrest at the.

1897
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 2: Safety spot i'm always Watching DB's i'm gonna be right

1898
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 2: with you doing that. Tomorrow night thank you all for

1899
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 2: watching and Listening To One. Bill's live Brownie And steve

1900
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 2: tasker will be Back. On monday enjoy the, preseason game

1901
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:51,679
Speaker 2: have a. Fantastic Weekend.

1902
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:58,679
Speaker 3: Go bills

1903
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 5: Eve