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Speaker 1: Great go to the right of the fifth. He comes

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Speaker 1: back to the left of the forty. He's loosen the thirty.

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Speaker 1: He's at the twenty ten touchdown. Cardinals rise up and

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Speaker 1: make a flight and on a hit. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: he got crushed. You've gotta be Kidney, come off the

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Speaker 1: ball with malice. Here's Paul Calvc. You know there is

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Speaker 1: one party that I feel sorry for here related to

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Speaker 1: Kyler gentleman Paul Calvc, Darren Urban Kilo to guard Paul

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Speaker 1: perennial unit in a I actually site that, uh my

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Speaker 1: son has it tough these days. Kyler making it tough

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Speaker 1: on every wanna be quarterback. This is flag football. And

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Speaker 1: I literally found myself and had to stop myself Kyle

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Speaker 1: the other day because I had stopped the DVR and

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Speaker 1: I was trying to explain to him how to make

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Speaker 1: moves in the open field like Kyler Murray, and the

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Speaker 1: wife was looking at me, and I hit the brakes

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Speaker 1: on myself and said, yeah, okay, let's just go back

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Speaker 1: to you finishing your math homework, okay, because let's let's

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Speaker 1: stay realistic right here. But I mean, that's the Kyler effect.

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Speaker 1: Even at Cossa kal vic As, we are still socially

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Speaker 1: distanced here our Cardinals underground is I find myself trying

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Speaker 1: to tutor my flag football quarterback kid in the ways

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Speaker 1: of quarterback like Kyler Murray. See the thing is, you

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Speaker 1: could be showing that to like wide receivers, and that's

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Speaker 1: still unrealistic for your best, fastest, most jukiest skill player.

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Speaker 1: And now you're talking about you guys. Wait wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: jukiest most Okay, all right, just double it's the word

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Speaker 1: right here, and the that he can also throw the

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Speaker 1: ball like he just did in this game. It's it's

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Speaker 1: unbelievable how good of a dual threat Kyler Murray is.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to get too over my skis

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Speaker 1: now in his second year, we might be talking about

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Speaker 1: the best dual threat quarterback to ever play. Who's better?

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Speaker 1: Who you guys got? I mean, I'm not, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying, when you start saying the best ever, I

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Speaker 1: just twenty what are weight? Twenty four games? In twenty

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Speaker 1: one games? In whatever it is. I mean, I just

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Speaker 1: I'm hesitant to start throwing that tag around already. Russ

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Speaker 1: Who's number one? Steve Young because he won a Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: I mean, Steve Young was pretty dang good. I guess

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Speaker 1: it depends how you qualify dual threats. Nobody's in Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray's stratosphere when it comes to his legs that can

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Speaker 1: also throw like he can. No, that's absolutely true. But again,

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Speaker 1: I feel like we're really early. I mean, knock on wood. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I want to see anything happen to Kyler, but we

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Speaker 1: as the best of ever. I understand what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if he did this for ten years, heck yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not saying he's not unbelievable. I just I'm

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Speaker 1: hot take alert a little bit, Kyle, though, when you're

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Speaker 1: saying no one's in his stratosphere, I mean, Steve Young

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Speaker 1: surely headed in that direction. You're right, Paul. I just

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Speaker 1: did some quick research on Steve Young, and apologies to him.

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Speaker 1: what's tough with the Steve Young comp is that at

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Speaker 1: even so, it was a heck of an opening drive

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Speaker 1: That was not three and out to start this condition

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Speaker 1: us into Kyler and what he's doing for the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: rush game, right Kyle, because the running backs aren't nearly

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Speaker 1: as productive as a year ago, but Kyler is so

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Speaker 1: productive that overall yards per carry is very similar to

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Speaker 1: very Kyler centric as far as getting that number to

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Speaker 1: none of these conversations are being had again, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying I'm not trying to trash the defense here either,

430
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: but when it comes to the play calling, comes to

431
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,400
Speaker 1: the offense, could they be a little bit better? Are

432
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 1: there things that they're going to make mistakes? Out of course,

433
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 1: but if this defense was just a little bit better,

434
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 1: this team would be whatever. It would be seven and one,

435
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: and nobody would be talking about Cliff Kingsbury and his

436
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: play calling. Nobody. It just wouldn't happen. Yeah, you know,

437
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: we can get into all the numbers on Kylo right now,

438
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 1: but that would be a separate edition. There's so many

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals Underground presented by Pacific off Automation prom partner

440
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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. So how about just the eyeball test.

441
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 1: I know, Kyle, this is tough for you. It's tough.

442
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,719
Speaker 1: You gotta get out of the comfort zone. No numbers,

443
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 1: We don't have time for all the stats. But what words?

444
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: Because you're a wordsmith, first, let's remind you, okay on

445
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: asycrumbles dot com, what words would you use to describe

446
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: Kyla right now? Would you start when dominant? Can we

447
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: go there? Yeah? I think dominance a fair word to me.

448
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: I think the passing game progress you know, I could

449
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 1: give you some numbers, but I guess I'll refrain the

450
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: fact that they've gotten so much better passing the ball.

451
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: I think has been the big leap for Kyler from

452
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: from the first game of the season, we saw that

453
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Speaker 1: he was a different type of runner this year, more decisive,

454
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Speaker 1: more electric, and just a handful for defenses. But these

455
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 1: last few weeks, I think he's really taken the next

456
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Speaker 1: step throwing the ball. And when your yards per attempt,

457
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Speaker 1: whatever they are, won't say what it is, but when

458
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: it's high, it's it's a really good thing for an offense.

459
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Speaker 1: And now they're really putting everything together. So I think

460
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Speaker 1: the passing game strides that Kyler Murray has made is

461
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: the biggest difference to me. All right, So true or

462
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,239
Speaker 1: false his fifty six yards strike to Christian Kirk the

463
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: best ball is thrown all year. Because I said that

464
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: on the air once Wolf was done with his Tasmanian

465
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Speaker 1: devil his reaction, and you know, if you guys were

466
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Speaker 1: on the air with me, would you agree or disagree? Darren?

467
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a beautiful, beautiful pass, but the

468
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: one he dropped into DeAndre Hopkins in New York for

469
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: the touchdown or even the play before that to DeAndre Hopkins.

470
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: Those were a couple of really pretty passes and even

471
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Speaker 1: tighter windows. I just know this. I think all those

472
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 1: conversations we were having about Kyler Murray's accuracy seems to

473
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Speaker 1: have faded over the last few weeks. Yes, I think

474
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Speaker 1: he has shown And also all those conversations, including the

475
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Speaker 1: question that he did not like when I brought up

476
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Speaker 1: about throwing deep following the Carolina game and he got

477
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 1: a little salty about that being brought up, those have

478
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,719
Speaker 1: also been kicked to the curve because they have found

479
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: plenty of deep shots with Hopkins and with Andy Isabella

480
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 1: and with Christian Kirk especially. So I just know that

481
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: he's throwing the ball really, really well. And what really

482
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Speaker 1: struck me about this pass game was against the Dolphins

483
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: was I don't know if I could tell you what

484
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: was better when he was running the ball or when

485
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Speaker 1: he was passing the ball, that the level he was

486
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Speaker 1: playing at at both those things was so incredibly high

487
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: that if you just took a one game sample, Kyle's

488
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: absolutely right. He's the greatest dual threat quarterback of all time.

489
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Speaker 1: So you brought up salty and Kyler, let's talk about

490
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Speaker 1: the full game zoom press conference. Darren segued into it.

491
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Speaker 1: It's not me, it's Darren. Okay. So if we had

492
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Speaker 1: an infrared camera instead of a zoom camera there via

493
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Speaker 1: the laptop, would you have seen steam coming out of

494
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Speaker 1: his ears? I mean, what would you say, Kyle? And

495
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't because such an epic performance went for naught?

496
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: Is it because the guy has geared up and his

497
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: DNA is winning. That's all he's done basically since he

498
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: was fourteen years old until the last couple of seasons.

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Speaker 1: You tell me what exactly was going on postgame in

500
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: that three and a half minutes or so where Kyler

501
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: chose his words very carefully, what word he did use?

502
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Speaker 1: And I don't think it has to do with him

503
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Speaker 1: playing a great game and the team losing. I think,

504
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: regardless of his own individual performance, I think he would

505
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: have been mad with the way it ended. Where they

506
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 1: were behind for most of the game, it looked like

507
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: they were taking control, and then Miami took the lead

508
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Speaker 1: back and the Cardinals offense had a couple of chances

509
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Speaker 1: late that they didn't get it done, and then you

510
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: don't get the kick just a lot of things that

511
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: didn't go your way. And I think the Cardinals knew

512
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: that winning that game, you get to six and two,

513
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 1: you get to first in the NFC West. It's a

514
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: game changing type win. And to not get it and

515
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: now you're still trailing Seattle and you're kind of in

516
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: the middle of a lot of teams still and people

517
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: are questioning you. I think a lot of it is

518
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: just coming together. And yeah, certainly he's a very very

519
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: competitive kid who who wanted to win that game. So

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Speaker 1: I think all those factors played a role. When when

521
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: I was watching it and afterwards, Uh, it reminded me

522
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Speaker 1: a little bit. And and we'll laugh at this, but

523
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: there I think there's some truth to it, especially in

524
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Speaker 1: his background. And I don't know a lot of Kyler's

525
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: personal life right now, but football is pretty much all

526
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Speaker 1: he has right now. And there's nothing wrong with that.

527
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Speaker 1: But that's what his life is. It's it's it was

528
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Speaker 1: football anyways. You know, I can't say if he's involved,

529
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Speaker 1: you know, with a girlfriend or anything like that. I

530
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: know he likes to play video games, but this is

531
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Speaker 1: his life. And when it when you get so myopic

532
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: about something, it raises it. It reminds me a little

533
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: bit about if I if I saw my son, my

534
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: one son, who once upon a time when he would

535
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: play video games and would lose a maddened game or whatever,

536
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: he'd want to chuck the controller or whatever. That's what

537
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: it felt like. It felt like that, but because he's

538
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: just a little bit older, he could control it just enough.

539
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: He wasn't going to chuck the controller, but in his head,

540
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: he wanted to chuck that controller so bad. And that's

541
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I felt like. He kind of

542
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,239
Speaker 1: responded to those questions. He knows he's got to come

543
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: out and talk to the media and at all. It

544
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: was weird because when he first sat down, he seemed

545
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: he seemed despondent. You know, they lost, but it seemed

546
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: like he was going to be fine. And then as

547
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: soon as he heard the first question start to be asked,

548
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: it was like a switch got flipped and it was

549
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: almost like you could see behind his eyes thinking, I

550
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: really don't want to do this right now. I really

551
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: don't want to do this right now. And not because

552
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: he never wanted to talk to the media, but just

553
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: in that moment he wasn't ready. Now he's smartly and

554
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: I think very maturely, thought very long and hard about

555
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: his answer, and it comes out kind of funny and

556
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: it was very noticeable. But I wrote after the game,

557
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: the press conference was filled more with simmering pauses than

558
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: actual words, and I really believe that, and I think, ultimately,

559
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: I think it goes back to what Kyle said. This

560
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: dude is so competitive that again, when you lose, you

561
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: want to chuck the controller, and when you see a

562
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: game that you thought you could have won, you're not

563
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: going to have the Jordan Hicks perspective where Jordan Hicks,

564
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: the veteran who's been around for a few years and says, oh,

565
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: there's no angry or anger of frustration. We just realized

566
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: this and that, And I'm thinking, yeah, that wasn't Kyler.

567
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: There was absolutely anger and frustration, and I just don't

568
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: think Kyler's quite to that level. He doesn't He isn't

569
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Speaker 1: going to have that perspective of having a family or

570
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: having other things in life. This is his life, and

571
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: I think ultimately that's probably a good thing in a

572
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: lot of ways, and he'll learn to get better with

573
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Speaker 1: all that. I had no problem with his press conference.

574
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Speaker 1: He did it. He didn't walk out. He didn't storm out.

575
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: He didn't he didn't get mad directly at any of

576
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: the questions. So if he's going to be short, that's okay,

577
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: that's a story too. But it is noteworthy that there's

578
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: a cooling down period and then he was the last

579
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: player to meet the media. There was a significant amount

580
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: of time, and he's still steaming hot to Darren's point,

581
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't think that's a bad thing,

582
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 1: at least to me. There's too many athletes and too

583
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: many sports we've all covered. We'll play one tomorrow, We'll

584
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: get him next week. You know, this is what dictates

585
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: his mood for the rest of the week, that three

586
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: to four hour window. Not to mention, I think he's

587
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: not only competitive on the scoreboard, he's competitive against the

588
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: opposing quarterback and two had a pretty good game, and

589
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: he already lost a semi final game against TWA in

590
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: college football, the one year where he hoped to make

591
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: a national title run. So I think all involved I

592
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: would like to see other players elevate their win loss

593
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: intensity to that level. Honestly, to me, there is some

594
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: leadership there, just whether it was intentional or not. I

595
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: think he put on display how badly he wants to

596
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: win and what he expects out of everyone else when

597
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: it comes to Sundays and game day and what you

598
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: have to put on the line to try and win.

599
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: Because we all saw him take some serious shots out there.

600
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: He easily could have got down or got out of bounce.

601
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: He put everything out there to try and get that win.

602
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: I thought he was smart about that, or we've seen

603
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: it for so many times that he does, you know,

604
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: go down and he preserves his body. And the few

605
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: times that he went for it in this game was

606
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: when he was right by that first down marker and

607
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: he knew it was third down and he's trying to

608
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: get it, or he knew it was a situation where

609
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: if if I don't get this, we're in a worse position.

610
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: So I think that type of thing is very good

611
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals moving forward, where the vast majority of

612
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: the time he's just gonna get down and avoid injury,

613
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,239
Speaker 1: and that's what you want. And then in these very

614
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: select moments when it means more to try to get

615
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: that first down than to preserve your health, he goes

616
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Speaker 1: for it. So I think he figured that out beautifully

617
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: and even just like the mental part that Darren was

618
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: talking about. When he didn't have that fourth down, he

619
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: wheeled around and he threw that ball at DeAndre Hopkins.

620
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: I thought that was unbelievably smart of him to do

621
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: and get the offsetting penalties and get another chance at

622
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: fourth down. So the mental jumps he's making two there

623
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: were times last year in two minute drills when he

624
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: didn't quite have the right ability to push the tempo

625
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: and figure out how to get down the field fast enough.

626
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: So I think he's grown a ton mentally in addition

627
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: to what he's doing physically. Much of that game he

628
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: had a perfect passer rating. Yeah, yeah, MoMA Hunter of

629
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: myself we were talking about during the course of the game,

630
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: from the Cardinals boot down to the sideline, ended up

631
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: with a passer rating to one fifty point five two.

632
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: I had some really good numbers. But Darren, how much

633
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: of that had to do with the Cardinals being reduced

634
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: to their fifth and six string corners for much of

635
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: the game. I mean, what's Wolf always say, It's not

636
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: an excuse, it's a factor or whatever he says. I mean,

637
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: it's look, if you're missing a bunch of key players

638
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: on defense, you're going to be worse on defense. Now,

639
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: you can make the argument that against that offense, when

640
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: they were down all of their running backs and they

641
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: had a quarterback who was only in his second game,

642
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: second start, that you should have been able to do

643
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: much better than you did. And that's a fair argument

644
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: to make. And I was surprised too was able to

645
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: be so effective. But they came in with a good plan.

646
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't test Patrick Peterson a whole bunch early.

647
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: They went after Kevin Peterson and whoever came in for

648
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: Kevin Peterson because they knew they were down to their fourth, fifth,

649
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: and sixth cornerbacks, which is what you should do. And

650
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: obviously they you know, on both sides, these the officials

651
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: were throwing flags. It helped the Cardinals in some cases

652
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: because Deandrew Hopkins got a bunch of flags, but it

653
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: got to the point where some of these Cardinals defenders

654
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: were struggling to they were either going to give up

655
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: a catch or they're going to get a flag. And

656
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: they smartly did all that stuff. So and I do

657
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: think Tah made some really good plays. I mean, we're

658
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: sitting here talking what a great player that Kyler is

659
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: and there were moments after two starts last year where

660
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: I mean, after what we saw at the end of

661
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: the Detroit game in the Baltimore game, we're like, oh

662
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: my god, Kyler Murray is going to be a really,

663
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: really good quarterback. Maybe we're just at the beginning part

664
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: of that for two and unfortunately the Cardinals ran into that.

665
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: But look, you need this defense. You desperately need Devon

666
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: Knard and Byron Murphy to come back from COVID. You

667
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: need to get Drake Kirkpatrick healthy. You need to work

668
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden in, who I thought had a fantastic first

669
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: game for this team. But you need to find some

670
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: level there, and you need to find a way to

671
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: get off on third downs. And there wasn't enough pressure

672
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: on Tah even without and maybe that was because of

673
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: the coverage, but you got to find a way blitzes

674
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: or otherwise to make him more uncomfortable than they did

675
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: most of the time. And from what I saw his

676
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: numbers against on plays where the Cardinals didn't blit were

677
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: out of this world. And you just figure like, maybe

678
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: they just should have been more much more aggressive. You

679
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: know too, I was impressive. There's no doubt about it

680
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 1: for me, Kyle, for quarterbacks to come out of big

681
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: time programs, elite college programs with so much talent, so

682
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: many draft picks, I'm always curious if they can throw

683
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: into windows, tightened windows in the NFL, because they're so

684
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: used to throwing too wide open receivers, if they can.

685
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: Matt Liner'd effect, Paul, you got PTSD baby, Yeah, you're

686
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. I'm having flashbacks as we speak. You're you're,

687
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right on that, because nobody had wide open

688
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: receivers during his college career like Matt Liner throwing the

689
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: guys at USC against Pac twelve competition. You're, you're, you're

690
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: absolutely right on that. But two will put some balls

691
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: right on the money, despite the fact that he was

692
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: going against backups. I mean, Devondre Campbell was on the

693
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: hip pocket of a tight end and there was a

694
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: big time catch. And so even with Byron Murphy and

695
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: some of the other regulars, if they would have been

696
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: in that game, I think it would have made a difference,

697
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: no doubt. But I think we also to come away

698
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: at least I did from that game that you know what,

699
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: as a bright future in the NFL. I don't want

700
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: to sound like a huge TA hater, but I wasn't

701
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: as impressed as everybody else. In that game. The Dolphins

702
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: average five point six yards per play, which is pretty average.

703
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it was a good showing all things

704
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: considered for Miami and it's offense. But I don't I'm

705
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: not ready to claim tah as this next great thing

706
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: like I did with Kyler earlier in the podcast. We'll

707
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: see how it goes, but I do think not having

708
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: three of your top four cornerbacks it's a really big deal.

709
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: That's arguably the most important position on the field defensively,

710
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: and when you have subpar talent level and also new

711
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: guys who you're trying to figure out communication with, it's

712
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: just tough defensively in that sort of situation. So I'll

713
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: see how Tua does the rest of the year. And

714
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: what he did in college was really good and he's

715
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: clearly got talent, but I want to see how it

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00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: goes the rest of the season for him. I just

717
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: looked at what was around him. They came in as

718
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: a one dimensional offense without much of a running game.

719
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: Down their top two running backs, they had a bunch

720
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: of receiving threats you've never heard of before. So it

721
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: impressed me that he definitely put that offense on his back.

722
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: And then there's something about when you play against Kyler

723
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: Murray that I think it inspires the opposing quarterback to

724
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: use the legs a little bit. We saw Russell Wilson

725
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: in the first half of the game against the Cardinals

726
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: and we saw two a takeoff and run a few times,

727
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: so he has that element to his game. But Darren

728
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: mentioned Marcus gold and I'll say this, you know, when

729
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: I truly knew Marcus Golden was back as an Arizona Cardinal.

730
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't the sack that was reversed on the Lucky

731
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,959
Speaker 1: Foe two face MA face mask. It wasn't the sack

732
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: that that counted. It wasn't even when Pat p and

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00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker got the defense together late first half and

734
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: had a player's only meeting and then Marcus Golden finished

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00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: it off in vocal fashion. It was one. At the

736
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: end of the game, the Dolphins are in victory formation

737
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: and Marcus Golden wasn't having any of it, and he

738
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: started He started a near brawl with about three guys

739
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: on a Miami's offensive line during victory formation. That's what

740
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: I knew. Forty four was back for good. Would have

741
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: been nice to have if Marcus Golden would have had

742
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: a postgame press conference, how that would have sounded right?

743
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's you know, so if you get Debon

744
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: Canard back, you get Byron Murphy back, you can get

745
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: some of that rotation. You know, we didn't we and

746
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: your Hassan Reddick's name called during this game for whatever reason.

747
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys talk to anyone about

748
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: that or went back and looked at any of the

749
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: film that did. Dare I say, did he get extra

750
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: attention Hassan Reddick come in is the Cardinals leading sack guy.

751
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: I didn't really pay that close of attention. I agree

752
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: with you that he didn't have the same type of

753
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: game that he did against the Seahawks. And clearly Marcus

754
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: Golden was the guy who was getting the most consistent

755
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 1: pressure on Tah and he had, like you said, the sack,

756
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: the one that didn't count, and he had to play

757
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: where he got right around the edge and missed Tah

758
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: on another potential sack. But yeah, I mean, you need

759
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick to be that consistent force on the other side,

760
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: and maybe his son Reddick is more valuable against the

761
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: mobile uarterbacks who when they're scooting out, he's got that

762
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: speed to catch them when he's in the pocket. Maybe

763
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick doesn't have that refined pass rushing type moves

764
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: quite yet, so we'll see how it goes with him.

765
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: But I think you need Hassan Reddick to give you

766
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: something because Marcus Golden will and we'll see you when

767
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: down Canard can get back. But that trio, you want

768
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: to have consistent pressure from them. Yeah, and if you

769
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: were having issues in terms of making two uncomfortable, what

770
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: happens against Josh Allen, who's way more experience, is having

771
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: a very good season, and this Bill's offense is just

772
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: way better than what the Dolphins bring to town. So

773
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a frightening thought when you

774
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: talk about where this defense is right now and what

775
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: they're about to face. What Buffalo did is Seattle's defense.

776
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll was at a complete loss after the game

777
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: to explain the lass. He said, we prepared and had

778
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: a great plan to go against the run. One problem

779
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: they didn't run the ball. Basically, they came out and

780
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: threw it. They raced to an early seventeen nothing lead.

781
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: Josh Allen thirty one to thirty eight. Off the top

782
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: of my head, four fifteen, three passing touchdowns, had a

783
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: rushing touchdown. He has the same number of touchdowns as Kyler.

784
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: Kyler It's sixteen and eight passing and rushing, Josh Allen's

785
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 1: nineteen and five passing and rushing. This will be very interesting.

786
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is back to his early season MVP form

787
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: Kyle and Josh Allen's interesting because he's a very high ceiling,

788
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: low floor type player and sometimes on a week to

789
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: week basis, and he could very well come in and

790
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: dominate you and the Bills if that happens, will probably

791
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: come away with the win. And on the other side,

792
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: he's can be inaccurate at times and he's had some

793
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: clunkers this season. So if you're the Cardinals defense, there's

794
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: also the possibility there, especially if you get your cornerbacks

795
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: back on the field, you can have a pretty good

796
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: day against him. So I think it's important to have

797
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: a good plan for what you want to do against

798
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: this Buffalo offense and then you just have to hope

799
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: that Josh Allen is having one of those bad days

800
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: instead of one of those good days. It'll be interesting

801
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: to see because watching some of the analysis before the

802
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: Seattle game basically saying that they thought one of the

803
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: reasons Josh Allen had a bumpy stretch that he did

804
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: was because he had hurt his left shoulder and it

805
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: was affecting his throwing, and that he was basically healthy now,

806
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: and that I think it was Matt Hasseback who actually

807
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 1: predicted he was gonna have a huge day against the Seahawks,

808
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: and he did so. If his issues had to do

809
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 1: with an injury that is now healed, that's a little

810
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 1: bit of a scary thing. I will say this because

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00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: you never want to miss a chance at saying something

812
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: about the Seahawks that's negative. But I saw a stat

813
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: as they are now halfway through the season that their

814
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: past defense after the Buffalo game, now they are on

815
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: pace to not only set the NFL record for most

816
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: passing yards allowed in a season, but break it by

817
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: more than a thousand yards. Oh no, are you serious.

818
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: I mean they are like, I don't even want to

819
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: say historically bad against the past. I mean they are

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00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that's called because historically bad

821
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: would be just setting the record. But they I think

822
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: the records somewhere is just a little north of four

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00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: thousand or something, and they're going to give They're on

824
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: pace to give up more than five thousand passing yards

825
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: this season. Now we'll see as they get a couple

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00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: of guys back, their secondaries banged up, and we'll see

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00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: who's there for the Cardinals on a short week after

828
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: this Bills game. But that's what the Bills were playing

829
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: against last week, so you know. And the other thing

830
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: too about the Bills. They gave up some points to

831
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: a very good Yeattle offense. But the way the Cardinals

832
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: are playing in offense, this just feels like it's going

833
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: to be another one of those games. It's gonna be

834
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: high scoring for both teams, and hopefully the Cardinals can

835
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: come up with enough stops. I feel bad as earlier

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00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: I asked Kyle to leave the numbers out of it.

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00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: So here's one for Kyle okay, as we wrap up

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Speaker 1: this edition a Cardinals Underground brought you by Pacific Office Automation.

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals enter Sunday's game against Buffalo having posted thirty

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00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: plus points and four hundred plus total yards in each

841
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: of their last four games. The last team to have

842
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: a longer streak of doing thirty points four hundred plus

843
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: total yards the Broncos in two twelve ten straight. When

844
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: the Broncos do that, when if they played the twenty

845
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: twelve New Orleans Saints because they had the epic worst

846
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: defense ever until this latest Seahawks iteration, that two and

847
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: twelve Saints team is saying thank you for the Seahawks

848
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: allowing so many yards and points this year, getting them

849
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: off the hook. But look, this Cardinals offense has been

850
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: consistently posting big numbers. It looks like it's here to stay,

851
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: which is I'm guessing you are Greek Ow. Yeah, I mean,

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00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: it certainly seems to be that's the case. And Pro

853
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: Football Focus, I think, says that since from Week five

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00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: to nine, the Cardinals have the top expected points added

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00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: per play, which is similar to what you're saying, the

856
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: best offense in the NFL these last four or five weeks.

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00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: So it's it's been a really good turn of events.

858
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Speaker 1: And like I talked about earlier, the passing game has

859
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: really come along and if they sustain it, then the

860
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: Cardinals aregitimately one of the best teams in the NFC

861
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: if that happens. And a lot of people are trying

862
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: to discount the Cardinals, especially after losing to the Dolphins.

863
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Speaker 1: But I just feel like this is a very legitimate

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Speaker 1: team in the NFC. I think they're they're headed toward

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Speaker 1: the playoffs unless something really bad happens. And we've talked

866
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Speaker 1: about the weaknesses of the Seahawks. The Bucks just had

867
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: a really bad game against the Saints. I mean, you

868
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: look around the NFC, and is there a clear dominant

869
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,959
Speaker 1: team like the Chiefs. Not really, So I'm not saying

870
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals are the best team in the NFC, but

871
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Speaker 1: I think they're right in that mix with everybody else.

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00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, So you're willing to say Kyler's the

873
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: best dual threat quarterback ever, but you can't say the

874
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Speaker 1: Cardinals are the best in the NFC. Correct, It's a

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Speaker 1: team game. You know what I'm gonna leave. Everyone can

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00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: leave in their own fashion. I'm gonna leave with a

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00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: little bit I'm not necessarily call it a reality check,

878
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: but a little bit of a warning. If you will,

879
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: you get Buffalo coming to town and they're rolling you,

880
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: then go on the short week, you're the road team

881
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: on Thursday night, Seahawks want blood, and you don't have

882
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: the twelves defeat off in that building where you've won

883
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: five of your last six, because basically it's you against

884
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: the world. You still have two cold weather road trips

885
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: potentially in the Giants and Patriots, and you have two

886
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: games against the Rams team where you've never beaten their

887
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: head coach. So I like the position of the Cardinals

888
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: in and they're five and three, but there's also some

889
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: serious obstacles straight ahead and the remainder the second half

890
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: of this schedule that at least has my attention. I

891
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: don't know how you guys and now you guys feel

892
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: about what's left. I like where the Cardinals are at,

893
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: but if they're not careful, there's quite a bit that

894
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 1: could go wrong over the second half of the year. Yeah,

895
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: but I guess ultimately I think there's so much that

896
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: could also go right. I mean, none of those games

897
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: the Rams have a fairly decent defense, although it seems

898
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: like their days when they also get a clunker. But

899
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: other than those two Rams games, what defenses are they

900
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: playing that's going to scare you? At this point? Again,

901
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they can't hit a roadblock, and

902
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: they can't. They can lose those games, You're absolutely correct,

903
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: but they could also win a lot of them. My

904
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: answer that would be, you know, the defense that scares

905
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: me would be the Cardinals defense if they're not consistent

906
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: in the energy and the intensity. Honestly, that's my bigger fear. Again,

907
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to go back to the same thing that

908
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: I've said on this podcast, not this podcast, this episode

909
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: of the podcast, but this Cardinals Underground podcast over the

910
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: whole summer. I know I said up multiple times, which

911
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: is this offense is going to be really good. The

912
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: defense just needs to be average, and this team will

913
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: get a lot of wins if the defense is average.

914
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: There are times when the defense isn't quite average and

915
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: it's cost them a couple of times. And that's what

916
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: we've got to see the rest of the way. And

917
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Speaker 1: when you feed into all the other equations of what

918
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: we're facing, which is spiking in COVID cases not only

919
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: in the in the world, but also among the NFL,

920
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: and losing key players here and there, like the Cardinals

921
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: did last week with the bank Art and m and

922
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: Byron Murphy, I mean, knock on wood, we don't want

923
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: to have a week where struggling struggler the leveler is

924
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: playing quarterback. Paul, we don't hear that's you might sure

925
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: about that, okay, all right. It's when you look at

926
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Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean, I think the Dolphins game is

927
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 1: a great example because the Cardinals box score wise, probably

928
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: should have won that game, and you you factor in

929
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: a defensive touchdown and the fifty six yard field goal

930
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: and the fifty yard field goal, and you missed a

931
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: forty nine yard or so the Cardinals did not win

932
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: that game. And you add up too many of those

933
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and that's really going to hurt you

934
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: in a sixteen game season. But when you talk about

935
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Speaker 1: talent level alone, I mean, I see your point, Paul.

936
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Speaker 1: There are roadblocks in the second half of the season.

937
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: But a cold weather game against the Giants doesn't mean

938
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be favored. I mean, you're You're the

939
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: team that should win that game. If New England keeps

940
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: playing like this, you're gonna be favored in New England.

941
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: And the Cardinals could very well go in five and

942
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: finish eight and eight. Because the NFL is kind of

943
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: random like that. But when you talk about overall talent level,

944
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: I think this team is right up there. They have

945
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: the best point differential in the NFC right now, as

946
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: much flak as the defense is taking their number ten

947
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: in Football Outsiders defensive efficiency. There aren't very many holes

948
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: on the Cardinals, so I think you can lose games

949
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: in close fashion and maybe that changes the perception. But

950
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: when you talk about baseline of talent, I think the

951
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: Cardinals have a good team and the defense is capable.

952
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, the defense has enough talent. In

953
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: my opinion, I think my final wards will just be

954
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: repeating the words advanced Joseph. It was in the most

955
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: recent edition of Cardinal's flight Plan, and I forget which

956
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: game it was, but it's the one time this year

957
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: where he had an entire defensive team meeting on the

958
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: sideline during a game. The decordinator advanced Joseph and he

959
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: essentially said, look, guys, the mistakes are on me, the

960
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: efforts on you. And I like that quote because the

961
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: effort as an intensity and focus, which are a couple

962
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: of words that were uttered on that sideline, you know,

963
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: against against the Dolphins in that game, you know, that

964
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: has varied, it has wavered at times, and so if

965
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: they can dial that in over the second half, I

966
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: do have an abundance of confidence in the Cardinals defense.

967
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: I think we just need to see it on a

968
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: regular basis, game in game out, series to series. That's

969
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: I guess. My final point on this one is I

970
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: should probably go back to queuing up some game film

971
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: of Kyler and trying to catch the ball like DeAndre

972
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: Hopkins and showing that to my fourteen year old. So

973
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Speaker 1: the only thing more frustrating is why I can't turn that.

974
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Speaker 1: So there you go, Kyle, all right, you got did

975
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Speaker 1: you get enough numbers in this edition of Cardinals Underground

976
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Speaker 1: brought to you by Specific Office Automation to at least

977
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Speaker 1: you feel satisfied. I had to really jam them in

978
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: all those other questions because that one you made me

979
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Speaker 1: not answer it with any numbers, and that hurt my soul.

980
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: But I tried. I tried to do a good job

981
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Speaker 1: on the rest of them. I will say that when

982
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: that all came up, I'm looking at Kyle on this

983
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: zoom call and I'm thinking a lot more simmering causes

984
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: that actual work. It's there, that's right, if you want

985
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: simmering pauses out of Kyle, just take the numbers out

986
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Speaker 1: of the equation. That's right, and that'll do it for

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Speaker 1: cardinals underground