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Speaker 5: Welcome to another edition of the Action Network Podcast. This

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Speaker 5: will be a fantasy football podcast. I know that's what

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Speaker 5: you guys want. We're going to be talking all of

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Speaker 5: the running backs outside the top twelve, our favorite sweepers,

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Speaker 5: our favorite guys in that twelve to twenty four range.

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Speaker 3: Here with me to do it.

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Speaker 5: My guy Sean Corner of course you know him from

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Speaker 5: the Action Network and at the Underscore odds maker on

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Speaker 5: Twitter and got a special guest today, mister Jake Sealey

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Speaker 5: from the Athletic at Own Kid on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: Jake, how you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. I'm excited to be on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: I actually think this is the finally the first time

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Speaker 1: I've done a publish Sean. I've done one with you,

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Speaker 1: I've had you out on a guest.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think. I think we've finally this first time, Sean.

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Speaker 4: Yep, first time ever looking forward to it.

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Speaker 3: We got a ton of stuffs against you. So let's

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Speaker 3: jump right in.

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Speaker 5: We're going to be talking running backs, specifically running backs

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Speaker 5: outside the top twelve. So those make or break running

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Speaker 5: backs for your fantasy football week in twenty nineteen. And Jake,

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Speaker 5: I just wanted to start it off by asking you,

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Speaker 5: you know, what are your thoughts on running back in

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Speaker 5: fantasy football as a whole? How do you approach it?

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Speaker 5: Are you you know, team running back doesn't matter? Are

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Speaker 5: your team zero RB?

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Speaker 3: How are you approaching the running back position?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why we were joking about that before the show.

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Speaker 1: You got to have like your team that you're on.

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Speaker 1: And look, if the truth is we know this, I

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Speaker 1: think everybody on the show, everybody listening to your show

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Speaker 1: knows this.

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Speaker 2: You need to adapt to the draft.

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Speaker 1: That all being said, I've always been team if you

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Speaker 1: want to call it Bellcow running back, and I mean

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Speaker 1: bell coow. It doesn't mean the old NFL style where

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Speaker 1: you need twenty carries. I want a Bellcow running back

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Speaker 1: in the first two rounds. That's getting the ball twenty

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Speaker 1: times per game, even half of it being receptions, which

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Speaker 1: nobody's really at that level. But you understand what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how you're getting your twenty touches. I

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Speaker 1: want that kind of consistency. Most of the time it's

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Speaker 1: the first round. If it's not, I usually get him

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Speaker 1: the first two rounds with that because it just for

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Speaker 1: my opinion and my success in the way that I've

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Speaker 1: been able to build teams throughout my entire history, is

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Speaker 1: it leads you to better being able to adapt how

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Speaker 1: the draft is going while also not worrying that, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, now I'm running out of running backs.

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Speaker 2: Although I'm now i am zer r RB, but.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait anymore, and now I have to overstretch on,

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Speaker 1: you know, Rashad Penny because I can't go.

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Speaker 2: It was totally zero RB to the seventh round.

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Speaker 1: So I've just always been if you want to call

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Speaker 1: it something bell cow running back.

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Speaker 4: Two things.

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Speaker 5: Number one, I love that you use Rashad Penny as

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Speaker 5: an example because I think he is being overdrafted right now.

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Speaker 5: And number two, I'm gonna kick it to you, Sean,

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Speaker 5: because I know that, you know, in the past when

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Speaker 5: cows do in frozen ponds. But this year, Sean, I

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Speaker 5: know you're you're kind of switched the strategy.

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Speaker 5: So just talk a little bit about that, because I

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Speaker 5: know last year you weren't really digging kind of that

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Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely, I mean last year the RB two tier,

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Speaker 6: So last year I was trying to get you know,

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Speaker 6: I mean, if you have one of the first five picks,

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Speaker 6: the RB two tier a lot this year, as we'll

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Speaker 4: You know, all of them required high draft capital last year.

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Speaker 6: You're not going to be picking up a wide receiver

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Speaker 6: bank on Jack Potts like that, but it's a position

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, and I think we should. That's a good

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Speaker 5: I think you two have a little bit of a

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Speaker 5: different strategy this year. I kind of I'm kind of

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Speaker 5: in the middle. I play it by year in the draft.

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Speaker 5: You know, I usually do take a top five running

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Speaker 5: like the running backs kind of at the back end

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Speaker 5: So I am targeting that range a lot, and that

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Speaker 5: and then we could jump right in. Damian Williams is

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Speaker 5: talk to me about Damian Williams. He came on strong

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Speaker 2: I think ceiling is top five.

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Speaker 1: Let's be real about like Damian Williams, and I think

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Speaker 1: the on the foot side, to get it out of

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Speaker 1: the way, the floor is You're dropping him by week six.

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Speaker 1: That's how wide his outcome is. Because Damian Williams can

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Speaker 1: look at the two offenses, look at the situation, look

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Speaker 1: in the best case scenario there, Damian Williams is not

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Speaker 1: an elite level running back. He's not deserving talent wise.

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Speaker 1: As much as I do like him, I have him

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Speaker 1: that the talent doesn't match up, but his situation makes

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Speaker 1: up for that in my opinion, And the Carlos Hides

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Speaker 1: The Chiefs are going into this year, and what we've

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Speaker 1: heard is Carlos Hides the backup plan if Damian Williams

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Speaker 1: So I feel good with the Carlos Hiding side assigning

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Speaker 2: But obviously I said, the downside is Damian.

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Speaker 1: Williams completely reversed, completely bombs and falls on his face

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Speaker 1: and calls Heid ends up being the guy from week

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Speaker 1: five and on. But I don't I think that's a

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Speaker 1: less likely scenario than him finishing inside the top ten.

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Speaker 1: ceiling is actually inside the top five.

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Speaker 5: Sean, I'm gonna get your thoughts on Williams, and I

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Speaker 5: want to frame it like this. You know, I've followed

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Speaker 5: everyone has kind of followed your rankings and your projections

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Speaker 5: in your preseason thoughts. And one thing I've noticed that

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Speaker 5: Williams, who you know, really only had about five or

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Speaker 5: So how do how does previous track record or lack

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Speaker 5: thereof kind of influence your projections and put that into

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Speaker 4: First off, that's that's a great observation.

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Speaker 6: I haven't really thought about that, but you're right, I

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Speaker 6: think when it comes to spending high draft capital and backs,

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Speaker 6: I do kind of want a decent track record. Having

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Speaker 6: where I'm taking flyers, that's actually a good thing. I think,

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Speaker 6: you know, having a wide range of outcomes is sort

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Speaker 6: of bad for running back early on and you know,

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Speaker 6: a positive thing later in the draft. So you know,

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Speaker 6: the ceiling, Jake hit on it. His ceiling is what

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Speaker 6: we saw last year in his four week stretch where

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Speaker 6: I mean, we saw his ceiling right there, and I

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Speaker 6: think that's kind of, you know, stuck in the back

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Speaker 6: I actually have him ranked running back thirteen right now,

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Speaker 6: right in line with his ADP. But you guys are

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Speaker 6: kind of alluding to his floor. Is you know, this

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Speaker 6: becomes more of a timeshare with Carlos Hide, and you know,

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Speaker 6: I think he's a guy that probably doesn't need that

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Speaker 6: it's still you know, when you're spending high draft capital

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Speaker 5: this guy is two hundred and twenty two pounds, not

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Speaker 5: And I think that's the reason Andy Reid will continue

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Speaker 5: historically in Green Bay. However, I'm looking at this average

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Speaker 3: That the value is pretty much fair?

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Speaker 1: No, So I'm gonna either look really stupid or I'm

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Speaker 1: And it's not I'm off Aaron Jones altogether. I'm just

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Speaker 1: it's still similar usage player wise, and what this program

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Speaker 1: go to Dexter Williams as mixed in moving ahead of

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Speaker 1: Jamal Williams all ready. I just don't think he's going

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I'm actually kind of witches, so, Sean,

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Speaker 5: I'm kind of curious to hear your thoughts because you know,

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Speaker 5: can't confidently project him for the workload that I can

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Speaker 5: So talk to me about your projection, especially your touches,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so those are all great points. I agree completely.

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Speaker 6: I have him being extremely sufficient.

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Speaker 4: You don't really need that.

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Speaker 6: Many touches for Aaron Jones, so I don't really think

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Speaker 6: if you're in a league where nobody wants them, he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that is an important point.

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Speaker 5: It's you know, for us, we're sitting here staring at

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Speaker 5: that I think all the running backs we kind of

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Speaker 5: I have him as my RB twenty one in half

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Speaker 5: think it's for the you know, two hundred. I have

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Speaker 5: him for two hundred and three touches four point sixty

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Speaker 3: To you, Jake.

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Speaker 5: And now we've talked a little bit about this tier

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Speaker 5: You know, is it around kerry On Johnson DeVonta Freeman, Like,

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Speaker 1: So it cuts off a little bit different than this tier,

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Speaker 1: but it's in the same range. It's thirteen to twenty three,

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Speaker 1: and my twenty third is David Montgomery. It does not

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Speaker 2: But I cut off at twenty three. That's I'm looking

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Speaker 1: That's where I have actually twenty three to twenty four

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Speaker 1: choose Miles Gaskin. We don't really know at this point

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Speaker 5: Jake, let me ask you a follow up here, because

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Speaker 5: Montgomery is a guy I want to spend some time

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Speaker 3: Be too familiar with him.

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Speaker 5: Third round pick by the Chicago Bears out of Iowa State.

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Speaker 3: Not really a great showing at the combine.

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Speaker 5: Only his you know, his agility score if you're looking

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Speaker 5: It's percentile yard per carry four point seven. Not necessarily

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Speaker 3: What do we like? What do you like about Montgomery, Jake?

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Speaker 5: And why should people draft him as a top twenty

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Speaker 1: Partly, I'll tack that part first. I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: Let's just talk about it as a whole.

438
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Speaker 1: Is I believe Davi Montgomery is starting to is going

439
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Speaker 1: to walk into Jordan Howard's role and then some. And

440
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Speaker 1: so my worst case scenario is if he only gets

441
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Speaker 1: Jordan Howard's touches from last year. I keep saying this,

442
00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,600
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy touches by Jordan Howard. They've alread

443
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Speaker 1: admitted they like him better. You look at David Montgomery

444
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Speaker 1: and talk about that aspect of it. He's a better

445
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Speaker 1: all around running back who can make it impact in

446
00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,680
Speaker 1: the passing game. If anything, his floor, in my opinion,

447
00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,440
Speaker 1: is Jordan Howard with a better receiving game. So again,

448
00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,640
Speaker 1: those two hundred and seventy touches, even if you say

449
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Speaker 1: two sixty and like Mike Davis is more involved than

450
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Speaker 1: we thought he would be. The point being is they

451
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Speaker 1: should be better touches than we saw from Howard. He

452
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Speaker 1: fits this offense, he fits Naggy better, and I look

453
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Speaker 1: at him as a rock solid RB two in my opinion,

454
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Speaker 1: that is both I.

455
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Speaker 5: Must say him a little bit lower, you know, kind

456
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Speaker 5: of just looking at what I like to do, start

457
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Speaker 5: with the baseline, just to kind of curb expectations with

458
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Speaker 5: some of these rookies, because I know we're looking at

459
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Speaker 5: him like all summer long, we're getting excited. You know,

460
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Speaker 5: third round rookies running backs over the last five seasons

461
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Speaker 5: average one hundred and four carries and twenty six targets,

462
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Speaker 5: so about one hundred third total opportunities. And so you're

463
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Speaker 5: you're extremely booshed projecting him for about double sean. Talk

464
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Speaker 5: to me about Montgomery because I'm you know, you're usually

465
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Speaker 5: the guy kind of on the opposite end of the

466
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Speaker 5: spectrum with again, guys with not much of a track record.

467
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Speaker 5: So where are you specifically, I think just on Montgomery's

468
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,679
Speaker 5: touches and roll within that Bears offense.

469
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I actually have him a bit lower. I

470
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Speaker 6: have him at twenty nine. I'm projecting him for around

471
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Speaker 6: fifteen touches a game. I think Jake talked about, you know,

472
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Speaker 6: what his ceiling is in that offense. But you know,

473
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Speaker 6: I am worried about treat Cone is still you know,

474
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Speaker 6: dominating all of the past touching snaps. And then you know,

475
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 6: we saw Mike Davis ruin rookie season last year with

476
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,400
Speaker 6: set pennies. So I mean, Mike Davis, we just can't

477
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Speaker 6: ignore him. So I'm making it a pretty crowded backfield.

478
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Speaker 6: I'm obviously recognizing Montgomery's ceiling. You know, when he's going

479
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Speaker 6: the twenty second running back off the board right now,

480
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Speaker 6: this is.

481
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Speaker 4: A little too high.

482
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Speaker 6: And you know, you mentioned I'm a little bit bearish

483
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Speaker 6: when it comes and stuff, but you know, when it

484
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Speaker 6: comes to Josh Jacobs, I have him a running back

485
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Speaker 6: twenty and I will gladly reach for him. I think

486
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 6: he's more solidified in the workhorse role this year. Even

487
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Speaker 6: a guy like Darryl Henderson I'm more bullsh on. So

488
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Speaker 6: I think just David Montgomery fits the bill of a

489
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Speaker 6: running back that I think people are just maybe too

490
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Speaker 6: high on because they're anticipating more of his ceiling where

491
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Speaker 6: I'm just trying.

492
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Speaker 4: To be sort of in the middle.

493
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Speaker 6: And you know, even if he he doesn't pan out

494
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Speaker 6: this year, I think his floor is still to be,

495
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Speaker 6: you know, a pretty solid flex type of contributor. It's

496
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Speaker 6: just going to require a pretty decent draft capital to

497
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Speaker 6: get him.

498
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Speaker 5: You know, It's funny because you know, you say you're

499
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Speaker 5: you're bullish on Jacobs. You have him at RB twenty,

500
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Speaker 5: And it's always funny with us in a give and

501
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,959
Speaker 5: take in our guests because I'm bullsh on him too,

502
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 5: and I have him at what is it, RB fifteen,

503
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Speaker 5: So you're not gonna out bush me.

504
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Speaker 3: On that one, Sean Tyler, But no.

505
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Speaker 5: So, yeah, you know Montgomery, I actually have him as

506
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Speaker 5: my RB thirty two, So I'm a little bit, I

507
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Speaker 5: guess closer to you, Sean in that regard. I have

508
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 5: him at one hundred and fifty carries, so definitely more

509
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 5: than you would expect for for a back being taken,

510
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 5: you know, with his draft categree. But I am a

511
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 5: little concern about Mike Davis. I do think that because

512
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Speaker 5: Davis can catch the football, he will be involved in

513
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 5: somewhat of a similar role to what he did in Seattle,

514
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Speaker 5: where he'll catch the ball a little bit, he'll run

515
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Speaker 5: the ball a little bit. Just keep Montgomery fresh, a

516
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 5: veteran guy at this point that's been on, you know,

517
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Speaker 5: played in the backfield with Russell Wilson and who's who's

518
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 5: a really good quarterback and produced there.

519
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Speaker 3: So I think Davis.

520
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Speaker 5: Will be involved at least early in the season, and

521
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Speaker 5: that's what makes me a little more bullish, excuse me,

522
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Speaker 5: bearish on David Montgomery in Chicago. Let's move on, because

523
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 5: you know, we've been talking about the Seattle backfield and

524
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 5: Davis has gone Sean Penny's name has come up. I

525
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Speaker 5: personally think he's going a little bit too high in

526
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Speaker 5: fantasy drafts at this point. He's going as the RB

527
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Speaker 5: thirty two. And it's not just that positioning among running backs.

528
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Speaker 5: I just think there's better uses of your pick at

529
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Speaker 5: that point in the draft then Rashad Penny. However, I

530
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Speaker 5: also understand that people are kind of looking at the ceiling.

531
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Speaker 5: Seattle one of the most run heavy teams in the

532
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Speaker 5: league under Brian Schottenheimer.

533
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Speaker 3: So, Jake, I'm gonna kick it back to.

534
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Speaker 5: You, where are you on Penny And how do you

535
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 5: kind of make sense of this Penny Carson split? Because

536
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 5: Carson's adyp seems to be getting lower and lower. It's

537
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 5: kind of outside the top twenty four and Penny's is

538
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 5: kind of knocking on the door of that's up third.

539
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's twofold there.

540
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Speaker 1: And let's go back to last season, and for everybody

541
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Speaker 1: that knows me, knows I was one of the biggest

542
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Speaker 1: fans of ra Seat Penny that there was. And but

543
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: even so, as in actually the tip this ties in

544
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: well with David Montgomery is we can watch the preseason

545
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 1: and adjust, and you know, maybe you guys end up

546
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 1: being right. Maybe Dave Montgomery's monopolizing all the touches and

547
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: you guys pull your rankings up, or maybe you still disagree.

548
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: Point being we saw that happen last year with Rashad

549
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: Penny is even if you thought it was gonna be

550
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: a fifty to fifty split, if you thought Rashad Penny

551
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Speaker 1: was going to lead and Carson was going to be

552
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Speaker 1: the change of pace from a power perspective, which is

553
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: what I was expecting. Seant Penny is still got hurt.

554
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: He got overweight while he was hurt. He looked poor

555
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: while he's on the field. So I moved him down.

556
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: I moved him down. I moved him down. Pete Carroll

557
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 1: is also kind of insane, like he doesn't know what

558
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: he's doing from week to week. I don't even think

559
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: he wants to know how he wants to use his

560
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: running back. So he said they both have a role

561
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: this year. I do think both are going to have

562
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: a role. And I think that's why Carson's pulling back

563
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: is because he has an injury concern because he's been

564
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: banged up almost every year of his career, even going

565
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: back into college. Every shot Penny has explosiveness, looks good

566
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: in his passing game and getting through cuts and getting

567
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 1: explosive plays downfield once he breaks through tackles. He has

568
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: all that, but he does come with enormous questions from

569
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: last year. As you said, he's actually going even higher

570
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: than somebody that is a fan of him, and in myself,

571
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Speaker 1: I have an RB thirty six. I'm still not going

572
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: to draft much higher than that because it's a it's

573
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: a not a crowded backfield, but it's what's the word

574
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Speaker 1: I'm looking for, confusing backfield. It was the best way

575
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Speaker 1: to put it. I just don't know who you can

576
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,719
Speaker 1: trust week in and week out. It's almost like the

577
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: Patriots just with two options.

578
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think I personally, I

579
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 5: think Penny is going to do whatever Carson does it

580
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 5: as in I think and I was on team Carson

581
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 5: last year and it wasn't like I'm some psychic or

582
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 5: anything like that. But but I was on team Carson

583
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 5: from the jump, and it was just because every organization

584
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 5: is different, as he kind of alluded to, Uh, I

585
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 5: do an article, you know, three three tendencies for every

586
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 5: team's offensive coordinator. But I really I'm looking at the

587
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 5: organization as a whole and how you know, the front

588
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 5: office is meshing with with what's going on with the

589
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 5: coaching staff and how those goals line up. And pet

590
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 5: Carroll made it clear that that he preferred Carson I

591
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 5: think from the jump reiterated it at any chance he got.

592
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 5: And Penny was more of a kind of a front

593
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 5: office pick that they spent high draft capital on. So

594
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 5: they want to get out there, and so I think.

595
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll was on board with that pick.

596
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 5: It doesn't mean and that's not to say Carol, you know,

597
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 5: I'm not saying it was like Carol against the.

598
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: Front off the right right. Carol is a guy, uh

599
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:51,719
Speaker 3: and I think he got voted to it.

600
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 5: He's insane, but he's all he's just he's not going

601
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 5: to knowing no handouts. Every the best guys will play,

602
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 5: and I think that benefits a guy like Carson who

603
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 5: trust more in path protection. Even though he hasn't caught

604
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 5: the ball. He's still more trusted in that area. Penny

605
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 5: only one third down target on third or fourth down

606
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 5: all of last season, so you know, I think you're

607
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 5: gonna see more of the same. It's just that Penny

608
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 5: now is going to be in that RB two row

609
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 5: behind Mike David Sean, do you disagree or where are

610
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 5: you on this Carson versus Penny.

611
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, so, I mean I think both backs can have

612
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 6: fancy value. They run the ball a ton, so without

613
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 6: Mike Davis there, I think they will be able to

614
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 6: both be fancy viable. I do like Chris Carson, you know,

615
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Speaker 6: going back to what you were talking about earlier, my

616
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 6: tier actually breaks after him. I actually have him as

617
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Speaker 6: the twenty first running back, and I have over a

618
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 6: ten point gap between him and Mark Ingram, and you know,

619
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Speaker 6: comparing him versus Ingram, I think Ingram's gonna suffer a

620
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 6: bit from Lamar Jackson, who runs a ton inside the

621
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Speaker 6: ten yard line, So he's gonna sabotage some of his

622
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 6: touchdown chair. If you you know, map out Lamar Jackson

623
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Speaker 6: across the entire season, he would have finished fifth or

624
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 6: six in attempts inside the ten yard line, just behind

625
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 6: guys like Alvin Kamara, Christian McCaffrey, guys like that. So

626
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 6: and Chris Carson happened to be fifth or six and

627
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 6: rush attempts inside of the ten air line, and his

628
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 6: quarterback Russell Wilson, only attempted at three times, and that

629
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 6: was alarming to me. You know, you had guys running

630
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 6: backs DeAndre Washington and Kaprie Bibbs at temp more running

631
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 6: plays inside the ten, then Russell Wilson. I'd forgive you

632
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 6: if you forgot those guys played football last year. So

633
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 6: I think with Carson, I think he's still going to

634
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 6: be the goal lineback. So no matter how this shapes up,

635
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 6: I think he's going to see a ton of goal

636
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 6: line opportunities to and kind of boost him up if

637
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 6: he happens to you know, Penny eats Away, you know,

638
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 6: a couple of touches a game from him.

639
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 4: So I really do like Chris Carson again this year.

640
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you.

641
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 5: I have him eighteen twenty twenty one and standard half

642
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 5: in full PPR, and I just want to throw some

643
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 5: numbers at you real quick before we move on. Two

644
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 5: hundred and sixty six touches over the last thirteen games

645
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 5: regular season and postseason last year. That is twenty point

646
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 5: five touches per game for Chris Carson. And remember Rashad

647
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 5: Penny was doing zero on third downs Mike Davis now

648
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 5: on the Chicago Bears, Penny only nineteen of those two

649
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 5: hundred and sixty six touches were receptions for Carson. There's

650
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 5: receiving upside, and we know that the running isn't going away,

651
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 5: So there's I think there's some sneaky, sneaky you know,

652
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 5: RB one, even high end RB one upside, especially in standard,

653
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 5: but even in half in full PPR. You know, if

654
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Speaker 5: he can kind of realize that because Tyra Lockett's never

655
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Speaker 5: been a volume guy, there's a chance the way Carson,

656
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 5: the way Carols Carson, he could be the focal point

657
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 5: of this Seattle offense. And when you're in the backfield

658
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 5: with Russell Wilson, I don't think the floor is ever

659
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 5: going to be, you know, quite too low anymore, especially

660
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Speaker 5: with Schottenheimer.

661
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Speaker 3: Now they're going to run the football.

662
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Speaker 5: So I ambullish on Chris Carson heading into twenty nineteen.

663
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Speaker 5: Let's talk about you know, Darryl Henderson a little bit,

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Speaker 5: Josh Jacob, who already talked Montgomery. So you know, Jake,

665
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Speaker 5: you're you're extremely Bullshawn Montgomery. Tell me how you feel

666
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Speaker 5: about these other two rookies that are in the top

667
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Speaker 5: thirty six Jacobs that AREB twenty on the Open Raiders

668
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Speaker 5: drafted in the first round. And then Darryl Henderson goes

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Speaker 5: to what looks like a very good situation in LA

670
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Speaker 5: where they want to scale back Todd Gurley's usage bit

671
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Speaker 5: and so they go out and draft Henderson in the

672
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Speaker 5: third round. Again, you know, running backs drafted in the

673
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Speaker 5: third round about one hundred and thirty opportunities in year.

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Speaker 1: One, which would be good for what you're getting Henderson.

675
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Speaker 1: To talk about him first, so because you've heard the reports,

676
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Speaker 1: now we're saying he wants to Chris Thompson role, which

677
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Speaker 1: to Sean McVeigh, I, I wonder where he's got that

678
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Speaker 1: from before. So if he's in the Chris Thompson role

679
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Speaker 1: and he has that usage and that does spell Todd

680
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Speaker 1: Gurley and pull back his touches per game, that's not

681
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: a bad thing. That's like as disappointed as some people

682
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Speaker 1: might be because to talk about these two running backs

683
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Speaker 1: and I'm glad you put him together because those were

684
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Speaker 1: the only two running backs I had in my Tier

685
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Speaker 1: one before the NFL draft. Darrell Henderson, for his landing spot,

686
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Speaker 1: is not in the best spot for production wise, but

687
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Speaker 1: it can be fine if he's in the Chris Thompson role,

688
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Speaker 1: because you know what Chris Thompson role is a potential

689
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Speaker 1: RB two and PPR worst case scenario. You're talking about

690
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Speaker 1: a half point BPR full point BPR flex running back,

691
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Speaker 1: and I'd be fine with that. I think people should

692
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Speaker 1: be happy with that because you don't always even get that.

693
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Speaker 1: You just mentioned about the touches in the third round

694
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Speaker 1: running back. So on the Josh Jacobs side, I'm really

695
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Speaker 1: glad we got to come back to that because I

696
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Speaker 1: was gonna say, you gave Sean a hard time about

697
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Speaker 1: not being bullish enough as you.

698
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Speaker 2: You're not even bullish enough as me.

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Speaker 1: Because I have Josh Jacobs as twelve, because I love

700
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Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs, and I want to put one thing that

701
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Speaker 1: I've continued to say on plenty of podcasts. We know

702
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Speaker 1: that like forget, we know the talent, we know everything

703
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: has been covered when it comes to Josh Jacobs, I

704
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Speaker 1: want to squash and I'm sure You guys know it,

705
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Speaker 1: but there's a lot of people out there still saying it.

706
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Speaker 1: Squash the misnomer that John Gruden doesn't use a bellcout

707
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Speaker 1: running back because he gave Cadillac Williams two hundred and

708
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: ninety carries, not touches carries in his first season out

709
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Speaker 1: of college at fourteen games, got hurt comes back in

710
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: another fourteen games two hundred and forty something carries.

711
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: He gave Ernest Graham two hundred and twenty two carries

712
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Speaker 2: in ten starts.

713
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Speaker 1: He gave Tyrone Wheatley guys two hundred plus carries two

714
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Speaker 1: back to back seasons.

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Speaker 2: It's not that he hasn't used a bell cow is.

716
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Speaker 1: He hasn't had a lot of talent bell cow wise

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Speaker 1: since basically Cadillac Williams. I think and believe Josh Jacobs

718
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Speaker 1: is going to touch the ball three hundred times this year.

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Speaker 3: You know. And it's not just those guys.

720
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Speaker 5: And I love the Tyrone Wheatley, the Olds who you know,

721
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 5: giants callback of course played with the Open Raiders as well.

722
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Speaker 5: But Marshawn wins or should we say the ghosts of

723
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Speaker 5: Marshawn Winz fifteen carries two point five catches on three

724
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 5: point two targets per game in the six games. Yea

725
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Speaker 5: take off a year on the couch before he goes down.

726
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Speaker 5: Now you kind of move up in the first round

727
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Speaker 5: to get Jacobs.

728
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Speaker 3: John Gruden. I think he's pretty kind of transparent.

729
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 5: It's kind of easy to read certain moves by John

730
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 5: Gruden because he's still reshaping this roster, highly criticized for

731
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 5: letting guys go such as Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper.

732
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 5: The talent on this roster and the guys he's going

733
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 5: out to get, especially a guy like Jacob's first round

734
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 5: draft capital, I think he's gonna use him. I think

735
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Speaker 5: he's going to be a one for one replacement for

736
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 5: that winch role, and that's kind of the floor. I

737
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 5: don't quite have him at three hundred, but I have

738
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,479
Speaker 5: him fifteen games, two hundred and twenty five touches in

739
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Speaker 5: another let's see how many receptions do I have him at.

740
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 5: I have him at in another thirty eight catches, so

741
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 5: I'm out about two sixty, which is still I think

742
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Speaker 5: pres especially when the factor in the one missed game, Sean,

743
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 5: where are you on Josh jacause I know you kind

744
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 5: of talked a little bit about it your bush, I guess,

745
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 5: just tell us why you have him at the RB

746
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 5: twenty I think you said it was, and why you're

747
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 5: hesitant to take him, I guess over guys such as

748
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 5: a Marlon Mack or maybe Devonte Friedman, terry On Johnson.

749
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so you know, going back to what I said,

750
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 6: like the the RBY two tier, I have, you know,

751
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 6: all these guys separated just by a few points, so

752
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 6: it's one slight tweak and he can go up you know,

753
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 6: a couple spots. But for me, it's all about just

754
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 6: getting at least two of these guys in this tier

755
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 6: before the drop off. So he's there just before the

756
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 6: RB two tier drop off. If you're in a normal league,

757
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 6: he's going the twentieth back off the board. So if

758
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Speaker 6: you use my rankings, you might be able to get him.

759
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Speaker 6: But you know, any expert draft I've been in, Jacobs

760
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 6: goes you know, early third round, so you know there's

761
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Speaker 6: always somebody more bullish on him than me and expert leagues.

762
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Speaker 6: But you know, your average Fantasy league, I think that

763
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Speaker 6: if you can get him, you know, closer to the

764
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Speaker 6: top twenty or at the back end, I think that's

765
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Speaker 6: going to be a steal because I think the upside

766
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Speaker 6: is there. I'm actually right in line with you, Raybon

767
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Speaker 6: I have a right close to two hundred and twenty

768
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Speaker 6: carries and thirty eight receptions, so we're pretty much in line.

769
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Speaker 6: I think it just has to do with Yeah, it

770
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Speaker 6: might be a little bit more bullish on some of

771
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Speaker 6: these guys like Marlon Mack with his touchdown upside or

772
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Speaker 6: Derek Henry is just his overall touches and games played.

773
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Speaker 6: I think there's just little things like that that just

774
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Speaker 6: have them over him. But it's so close with all

775
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 6: these guys that I'm just trying to get two of

776
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Speaker 6: these guys before it drops off a cliff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And speaking of projections, you can get Sean and

778
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Speaker 5: myself's projections on Actionnetwork dot com. To sign up for Edge,

779
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Speaker 5: you can now in our fantasy football tool see all

780
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 5: our projected stats for every player and select by expert.

781
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 5: That was a big feature that we were hoping to

782
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Speaker 5: roll out and we have, so be sure to check

783
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Speaker 5: that out on Action Network dot com. Love Jacobs also

784
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 5: because it wasn't overused in school young, I think this guy,

785
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Speaker 5: you know, when I look at some of these guys

786
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 5: in this tier. You know, Freeman struggled with some injuries,

787
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 5: Marlon Mack has struggled with some injuries. Even Derrick Henry,

788
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 5: who I consider kind of like the epitome of durability

789
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Speaker 5: just because he's so big.

790
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Speaker 3: You know, even he's struggling with some injuries.

791
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Speaker 5: So you know Carson as well, Aaron Jones, like everyone else,

792
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 5: carry On Johnson miss games last year, so everyone else

793
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 5: has already had a track record of injury. Josh Jacobs

794
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 5: at least coming into the season as of this point,

795
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 5: pretty healthy. Knock On Wood, I think he has RB

796
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Speaker 5: one upside without a doubt.

797
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 3: Henderson. We talked about.

798
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Speaker 5: Another backup in explosive offense is Kareem Hunt, formerly.

799
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Speaker 3: Of the Chiefs.

800
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Speaker 5: He goes over to the Cleveland Browns. He suspended for

801
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 5: eight games. He's still going as the RB thirty four.

802
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 5: Jake Can a guy who misses eight games still provide

803
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 5: top thirty six running back value?

804
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because I think the only way

805
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: you even see value period from Hunt is if Chubb

806
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: gets hurt or Chubb all of a sudden bombs this

807
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: year at the Blue and it's like nothing like we've

808
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: ever seen before because Chubb has the talent. Chubb has

809
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: the talent to be a top ten running back. People

810
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Speaker 1: forgot that Chubb in college was being talked up as

811
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Speaker 1: better than Todd Gurley until he exploded his knee. So

812
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: the Chub talent is almost back to where it was.

813
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: He's never going to be one hundred percent pre injury.

814
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Speaker 1: But I don't see him seeding touches to Kaream Hunt

815
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Speaker 1: and turning this into a fifty to fifty. Kareem Hunt

816
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: will be involved. That'd be stupid not to give him

817
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 1: some touches. But I think when he comes back, unless

818
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: something has gone wrong with Chubb, and at that point,

819
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: your Chubb pick just blew up in your face, because

820
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: it blew up in your face, and that's what happens

821
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: every single the year.

822
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Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna get hurt something goes wrong.

823
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Speaker 1: But unless something does go wrong, Hunt's gonna get his five, six, seven,

824
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: maybe eight touches a game. So if that's the case,

825
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: then though he's not going to return value because two things,

826
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Speaker 1: he comes back in week ten because they have their buy.

827
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: So even if you're talking pre playoffs, you're getting maybe

828
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: three four games at most before you're talking about that

829
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Speaker 1: a value of a couple touches a game. So I

830
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Speaker 1: just don't see it. I don't see the point in

831
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: drafting him. I don't see the point in drafting him.

832
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Speaker 1: Also for the fact that you can't even put him

833
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: on your ir you have to chew up a bench spot,

834
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: waiting until week ten, hoping that he has value when

835
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Speaker 1: he comes back, when I don't think he does.

836
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of a stretch. I mean, you know,

837
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Speaker 5: I tend to be a little bit more bearish on

838
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 5: these kind of suspended guys because I just don't like

839
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 5: starting at a deficit in terms of games played. You know,

840
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 5: talk to a little bit with Scott Barrett on Twitter

841
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 5: about that that yesterday.

842
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 3: I think I think.

843
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 5: They're you know, more work has to kind of be

844
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 5: done to figure out exactly how we need to value

845
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 5: these guys, whether it's kind of you know, averaging in

846
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 5: kind of the value of a replacement player along with

847
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 5: the guys miss games or something to kind of get

848
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 5: the best ranking. But Sean, you know, Duke Johnson averaged

849
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 5: two point nine catches and two point six attempts, so

850
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 5: five point five touches a game last season, potentially going

851
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 5: to get traded at the deadline, Sean, is this a

852
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 5: situation where at the second half of the a you

853
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 5: just kind of pencil hunting for those five point five

854
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 5: touches going for Duke or do you see more?

855
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 6: No, I think that's exactly what's going to happen. And

856
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 6: you know, I'm usually a big advocate on adding guys

857
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 6: that are suspended. I think they're usually low key valuable,

858
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 6: like mark ingram last year four game suspension. I was

859
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 6: I would advocate, you know, take them a little bit

860
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 6: higher because I have looked into it, and you know,

861
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 6: it's pretty easy to replace players like that early in

862
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 6: the season before BIS hit and injuries happen. But you know,

863
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 6: it's on a eight game suspension that is a little

864
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 6: too long for my taste. And like, like you guys said,

865
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Speaker 6: he's not gonna be eligible until Week ten, and there's

866
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Speaker 6: no real guarantee that he's gonna have a fancy valuable role.

867
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Speaker 6: So I think he's just kind of wasting a roster

868
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Speaker 6: slot that you can use for you know, jackpots, so

869
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 6: you can hit early in the season that will give you,

870
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 6: you know, fourteen weeks of RB two value. So he's

871
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 6: just the guy I'm punting on, but I could see

872
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 6: if you're just trying to go all in on you know,

873
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 6: Chubb possibly you know, having a season ending injury. Obviously

874
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 6: that would be huge if you had Hunt on your bench.

875
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 6: But I just think there's so many of those types

876
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 6: of situations or I out to have a guy that's

877
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 6: at least gonna possibly give you some value early in

878
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 6: the season. So I think, especially with this ADP at

879
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 6: thirty four, that just makes it impossible for me to

880
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 6: kind of figure out a strategy where that's gonna you know,

881
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 6: you're gonna come out on top on that without a

882
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 6: Chub injury.

883
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, And Sean, before move on, I just want to

884
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 5: quickly ask you, you know, you kind of mentioned that

885
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 5: you usually do like these guys that are gonna miss

886
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 5: some games. How are you factoring in those miss games

887
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 5: into your rankings? You know, are you kind of averaging

888
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 5: game just like what the value of a replace the

889
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 5: player would be when when you kind of knock off

890
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 5: the eight games or is it just kind of like

891
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 5: a zero for those eight games And just you know,

892
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 5: go related to that, where what's the earliest you would

893
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 5: be comfortable with taking Hunt?

894
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, So for Hunt. I'm just doing it straight up

895
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 6: raw projections. Last year I did have something right fudge

896
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 6: with mark Ingram, where you're getting, you know, a replacement

897
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 6: level RB three the week's he's out, and he was

898
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 6: like five to six slots higher than my raw rankings.

899
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 6: I just think, like I said, with Hunt, you're just

900
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 6: burning a bench slot, which is pretty valuable. So it's

901
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 6: past a certain point where I actually have him ranked

902
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 6: outside my top fifty. I was in a charity best

903
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 6: ball league where he I think he fell to me

904
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 6: outside of like the top sixty, so I just took

905
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 6: him there. I already had, you know, five backs, I think.

906
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 6: So there are certain situations, certain formats like a fourteen league,

907
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 6: twenty four man roster best ball I guys in where okay,

908
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 6: it makes sense to have Hunt as your RB five.

909
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 6: But if you're in just a redraft, you know, twelve

910
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 6: team league, I'm just passing on a complete Usually somebody's

911
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 6: gonna reach from pretty early on.

912
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't.

913
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 5: I don't think I have any shares of Hunt. The

914
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 5: ADP is just too rich for my BOYD. Probably wouldn't

915
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 5: want to take them inside the top fifty backs. But

916
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 5: let's move on to a backfield no one's probably that

917
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 5: excited about because it's a team that no one's probably

918
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 5: that excited about. The Miami Dolphins tend to have the

919
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 5: lowest projected win total no matter what sports book. You

920
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 5: look at Kenyon Drake sitting right outside the top twenty

921
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 5: four at RB twenty five, and then you have Kaitlin Bilage,

922
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 5: second year man ripped off a long run you may

923
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 5: remember against Minnesota last year at RB fifty two.

924
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 3: Now Bilage kind of making me look smart.

925
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 5: I did an article on Action network dot com about

926
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 5: a month or two ago just highlighting some of my

927
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 5: preseason targets and best ball and Belage was one of

928
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 5: them that you were essentially getting for free and know

929
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 5: out of the draft leaks or really late in in

930
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 5: the one eighty one nineties range.

931
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 3: He has taken first team reps.

932
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 5: Brian Flora's new head coach there from the start has

933
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 5: kind of said, hey, this is an open competition. They'll

934
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 5: both get carried. Come from New England where were notes.

935
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 5: They use backs, They use a lot of backs, and

936
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 5: they use those backs a lot.

937
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 3: So Jake, talk to me about Drake and Blage.

938
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 5: You know, is there more value on Bolage simply because

939
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 5: he's at RB fifty two, or do you think Drake

940
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 5: could also outplay his RB twenty five draft cost.

941
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: Honestly, and I hate to tell everybody listening, but I

942
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: think there's a scenario for any of this. There is

943
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: a scenario where Kenyan Drake dominates the touches and he's

944
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: the Drake that where everybody stops hating the Drake and

945
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: he's the Drake that people want to see. And then

946
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: there's a scenario, as you just pointed out, where Blage

947
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: ends up being the lead in Kenyan Drake's in the

948
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: passing game. And I don't think it's a zero song like,

949
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: there's a better than zero percent chance that Miles Gaskins

950
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: ends up leading that backfield. I'm not saying Miles Gaskins

951
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: is better talent wise than Kenyan Drake. I wouldn't say that,

952
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: but Gaskin has a ton of balance and he's got

953
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: good vision, and he's somebody they drafted. It was only

954
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: the sixth round and sixth round running back success. But

955
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: the point being is I only use that because this

956
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: front office, this coaching staff, well more so, the coaching

957
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: staff doesn't have any ties to Blage or to Kenyan

958
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 1: Drake if they like their guy who is gasking Again,

959
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: it was just a flyer for the team's purposes.

960
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 2: But I'm just.

961
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: Saying I don't think we can definitively say, as of today,

962
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: Drake is the guy. I don't think we can say

963
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: Blage is the guy. And my one concern with Bilage

964
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: is he has the athleticism. I just don't think he's

965
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: a very talented running back like I think I think

966
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: of a guy like Darrell greenbackham all the athleticism in

967
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: the world, He's just not a good wide receiver, and

968
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: that's why he didn't succeed in the NFL. So I've

969
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: seen the talent in the upside of Blage, and maybe

970
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: he continues to develop it becomes a better running back,

971
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: and that's why that scenario is there. But as of today,

972
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: I've been getting as probably you have more Belage than

973
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: Drake because Drake seems to be going in a reasonable spot.

974
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: So it kind of depends on what I'm taking at

975
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: that time. Blage still feels undervalued for the potential of

976
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: him leading that backfield. But I feel like our friend

977
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: Matthew Berry talking about him every single week, is going

978
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: to ruin that draft capital that we're getting right now.

979
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I definitely do have probably an embarrassing

980
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 5: amount of bellage, most of it acquired in those you know,

981
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 5: winter and spring months when you know, I was probably

982
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 5: the only person playing bastball against drafting against myself twelve

983
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 5: times or something like that. But I've gone on record

984
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 5: as saying I'm actually a huge Kenyon Drake fan. Like

985
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 5: I it was kind of half joking on Twitter before

986
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 5: last season, but I was looking at, you know, Kenyan

987
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 5: Drake's career kind of up until that point, and I'm like, hey,

988
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 5: you know, this guy is kind of like has a

989
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 5: career trajectory of like a homeless man's Jamal Charles. I mean,

990
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 5: every year he's averaging, you know, a high yard per carry,

991
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 5: you know, five four four rate, and then last year

992
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 5: he goes for four five. You know, some games he

993
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 5: barely he doesn't even get a carry or barely gets

994
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 5: a carry, yet he scores nine touchdowns on this abysmal

995
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 5: Dolphins offense. He scores that miraculous end of game touchdown

996
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 5: again to upset the Patriots. I mean, every time you

997
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 5: put the ball in Kenyan Drake's hands. Good things are happening,

998
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 5: you know this despite a poor offensive line. So I

999
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 5: think that, you know, new head coach Brian Flores, it's

1000
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 5: just being smart with Drake. He's a guy who, uh,

1001
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 5: you know, six' one two eleven, I think a little

1002
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 5: bit upright. Maybe even though he's played all sixteen games,

1003
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 5: maybe maybe you don't want to give him a ton

1004
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 5: of work, and so you are gonna mix in Bolage.

1005
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 3: I think both of them will be involved. You know,

1006
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 3: Gaskin is a guy.

1007
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 5: I think he's clearly probably got that that third running

1008
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 5: back slot locked up. But in terms of just like

1009
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 5: you know, a round seven draft choice, which is what

1010
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 5: Gaskin is, it would be I guess, highly unusual if

1011
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 5: he were to see any more than about you know,

1012
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 5: fifty opportunities this year. You know, seventh round picks at

1013
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 5: running back over the last five years, averaging about twenty

1014
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 5: eight opportunities carries plus targets in year one.

1015
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 3: So I think they'll probably need an injury for that.

1016
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 5: But I mean, I think I see Drake with some upside,

1017
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 5: is like a poor man James White or something like that.

1018
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 5: It's just that you worry about the touchdowns because this

1019
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 5: Miami offense probably won't be good now. The one good

1020
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 5: thing is that when when you when you have question

1021
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 5: marks down the field, that does tend to lead to

1022
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 5: more dump offs, and both at Drake Mbolage can catch

1023
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 5: the football.

1024
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 3: I think there's more value on Blage. But Drake is

1025
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 3: starting to slip in drafts.

1026
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 5: I wouldn't mind picking him up if he's if he's

1027
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 5: falling to you in that fifth round or even the sixth,

1028
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 5: and he's going kind of outside that top twenty five.

1029
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 5: Speaking of the Patriots, Sony Michelle is the RB twenty

1030
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 5: six and average draft position, James White the RB twenty eight,

1031
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 5: and in Damian Harris the RB forty three.

1032
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 3: And of course James White will be a little higher.

1033
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 5: This is this is half point PPR ADP on Fantasy Pros,

1034
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 5: which is just the consensus of multiple of the most

1035
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 5: popular sites ESPAN and such.

1036
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: But he'll be a little higher in full point PPR.

1037
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 5: But Jake, uh, you know here we have kind of

1038
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 5: a three man backfield and uh, you know, Brandon Bolden

1039
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 5: was guarant you know, he's gonna play special team, so

1040
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 5: he's probably taking up a roster spot because they they

1041
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 5: gave him some guaranteed money. That might mean Rex burke

1042
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 5: Head is out, but you still got three backs Michelle

1043
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 5: banged up already. How do you see this Patriots backfield

1044
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 5: shaken out? And where's the value?

1045
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 1: It's the value And what I always treat this team

1046
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: as every single year is I'm just going to take

1047
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: whoever's the cheapest to get my piece, and if it

1048
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: works out, great, Because last year the cheapest piece was

1049
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: James White. Rex Burkhead was going in the fifth at

1050
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: the end of the preseason. People seem to have forgotten

1051
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: that so quickly. If rex burk Head might be on

1052
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: the team, you're right, maybe they make moves and he's not.

1053
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 1: Maybe they deployed James White in the slot a little

1054
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: bit more and then they keep rex burk Head. All

1055
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: that being said, the concern for me is not James White.

1056
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: James White is fine. He's locked in. He's a PPR

1057
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 1: value because people are still drafting him as a fringe

1058
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: RB two despite the fact he finished as a half

1059
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: point and full point BPR top ten running back. So

1060
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: James White is James White, so he has value. My

1061
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: value on the other side is Damian Harris right now,

1062
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: because he is the cheapest because it's something that Emery Hunt,

1063
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: a scout that's over at the athletic with us, who

1064
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: is one of the best scouts I've ever talked to

1065
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: in my life, and I've scouted college players four years

1066
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: and it's one of these things that my eyes just open,

1067
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: which is something I've just never paid attention to until

1068
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: he pointed it out to me. Credit to him, and

1069
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: he said, when Sony Michelle we were talking when he

1070
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: came out of college, he goes, watch how hard he

1071
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: drives his legs into the ground one hundred percent of

1072
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: the time, no matter if he's making cuts, no matter

1073
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: if he's running straight, sideways, whatever, he just drives his

1074
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: legs into his ground. That knee issue from college is

1075
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: going to carry over, mark my words.

1076
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: That was his quote. He's one hundred percent right. It's

1077
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 2: still carried over.

1078
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: And I know the off season surgery quote unquote is minor,

1079
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: but I don't think the knee issue is going away.

1080
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: And if you put money on it, you told me

1081
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: to go to Vegas and put money on it, I

1082
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: would put the under and well under on Sonny Michelle

1083
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: playing a full season. I would even probably take the

1084
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: under on twelve games played, So I think Damian Harris

1085
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: is the best value by far, right now, whoa Sean.

1086
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 5: I know that you do not like to kind of

1087
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 5: deviate too much in your games played projections because that

1088
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 5: throws a lot of things off, especially when it comes

1089
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 5: to to you know, season one prop and whatnot. So

1090
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 5: just talk to me about your projections for the usage

1091
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 5: for each of these guys in that New England backfield,

1092
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 5: and if you do have any thoughts kind of on

1093
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 5: Michelle's games play, and I think his carries because I

1094
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 5: mean I'd be surprised if he catches even one passing game.

1095
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I actually do have him as well, aside

1096
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 6: from Melvin Gordon. I have Melvin Gordon at thirteen games play,

1097
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 6: just trying to assess the risk in his holdout. But

1098
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 6: Sonny and Michelle I have the second lowest at thirteen

1099
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 6: point two. So I guess I'd be giving Jake the

1100
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 6: over twelve and a half there if he wants it.

1101
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 6: But I think with Michelle, I think the the good

1102
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 6: thing about him is when you know, you know when

1103
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 6: you should play him when he's active, and especially you

1104
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 6: know game script that's gonna allow them to just you know,

1105
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 6: run him in the ground, so to speak.

1106
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 4: So I think Michelle does.

1107
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 6: Have value and you're you're probably gonna get some really

1108
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 6: good games out of him, and otherwise.

1109
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 4: You know, he'll be on your bench.

1110
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 6: And then you know, James White is always a valuable play,

1111
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 6: especially at his ADP of twenty eight right now.

1112
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 4: He's just always consistent.

1113
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 6: He might not have that you know overall RB one upside,

1114
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 6: but I don't really care.

1115
00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 4: He's he's a consistent guy.

1116
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 6: His role is pretty much solidified, so I think he's

1117
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 6: the slight values as well. And then Damian Harris is

1118
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 6: probably the best value of the bunch. You know, he's

1119
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 6: going forty three right now. Like Jake mentioned, he's probably

1120
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 6: gonna get a few starts and the Sonny Michelle role anyway,

1121
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 6: but you know, if Michelle, if the knee does act

1122
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 6: up and the misses extended time, Harris could be a

1123
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 6: you know, consistent RB.

1124
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 4: Two kind of guy.

1125
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 6: And you know, even especially if they end up cutting

1126
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 6: Rexburg head, I think that's going to help his floor

1127
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 6: even more. And yeah, you know, Damien Harris, we're gushing

1128
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 6: over Josh Jacobs, but he started over Josh Jacobs at Alabama.

1129
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 6: I mean He's a talented back. Bill Belichick always gets

1130
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 6: the best out of his back. So I think that

1131
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 6: Damien Harris, outside of the top forties, is one of

1132
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 6: my favorite sleeper picks to stash to start the season.

1133
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, Damien Harris for those not familiar, rookie out of Alabama.

1134
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 5: I feel like every week last year, the question was

1135
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 5: is he gonna average over six yards to carry in

1136
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 5: a game again? Because you know, finished at six point six,

1137
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 5: you know, eighty seventh percentile among running backs. You know,

1138
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 5: when you look at him, very talented guy, and you know,

1139
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 5: I want to get your guys' thoughts on this quickly.

1140
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 3: Here's my theory.

1141
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 5: I think the Patriots know that Sony Michelle doesn't have

1142
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 5: the best through ability. I think that's kind of what

1143
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 5: led them to take to use precious Day two draft

1144
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 5: capital and take Harris at the back end of the

1145
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 5: third round because when you look at Michelle, sixteen carries

1146
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 5: in the regular season is what he averaged sixteen point one.

1147
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 5: But then you get to the playoffs, and in the

1148
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 5: three playoff games he averages twenty three point seven carries.

1149
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 5: The Patriots more than any other team in the league,

1150
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 5: a team that they kind of begin with the end

1151
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 5: in mind. They're not as concerned with September and October

1152
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 5: as they are with getting right by November, December, January.

1153
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 5: Do you think that could potentially be going into the

1154
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 5: thinking like, hey, we need a guy to soak up

1155
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 5: some of these carries early on, but late in the

1156
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 5: year and into the playoffs.

1157
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 3: Is where we're really gonna kind of let Michelle loose.

1158
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: I think it's a good theory for the fact of

1159
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: let somebody else draft Sony. Michelle watch the cluster that

1160
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: is everybody being healthy and then involved right now, be

1161
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: frustrating for the first three or four weeks, and then

1162
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: throw out a low ball off her, and then because

1163
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: maybe it's Michelle, he's the one that gets hurt. But

1164
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: I hate to use this cliche because I'd never say

1165
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: draft with this in mind, But for this scenario, I

1166
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: think people will understand.

1167
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: It's like, don't know things work themselves out quote unquote.

1168
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: I hate that because that's just it's such a it's

1169
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: I would even call it like a crutch argument. But

1170
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: the point being is the truth of the NFL is

1171
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: Let's say even rex Burke is still on this team,

1172
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: and it's Rexburg at James White and Damian Harrison Sony

1173
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: the truth of the NFL is that by the time

1174
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: we get to week twelve, there's a good chance one,

1175
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: if not two, or out of the equation, whether it's injury,

1176
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: whether it's performance, that one or two are cleared out.

1177
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: And for your point, if they're going to ride Sony

1178
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: Michelle into the playoffs and know that that's their best

1179
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: chance to win late and keep him healthy for that

1180
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: stretch run, then maybe he's somebody you let somebody else

1181
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: take and then try to right on the low.

1182
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really like that because I think the way

1183
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 5: it's looking, you know, Michelle's average draft position is already slipping.

1184
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 5: We're still about a month a little more than a

1185
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 5: month out from the season, and if he starts the

1186
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 5: year with an injury, if he's questionable or out for

1187
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 5: week one, I think people are really going to shy away.

1188
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 5: And he might even have some bad games early as

1189
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 5: they kind of keep the kid glove. So definitely a

1190
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 5: situation where I'm looking to potentially target Mi Show with

1191
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 5: a waiter in the year and maybe even sell high

1192
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 5: on Harris depending on how he is doing. But yeah,

1193
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 5: James White with Bronk in the lineup over since twenty fifteen,

1194
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 5: four catches thirty four yards, point three touchdowns, eleven point

1195
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 5: four PPR points. But without Gronk he's up to six

1196
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 5: point six targets, four point nine catches forty five yards

1197
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 5: and point four to three touchdowns, so thirteen point nine

1198
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 5: PPR points. James White gives you about two and a

1199
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 5: half points extra value with Gronk out of the lineup.

1200
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 3: I think he's going to see the ball a ton.

1201
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 5: Remember Nikil Harry struggling a bit with separation, Maurice Harris,

1202
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 5: formerly of the Redskins, getting reps over him in some

1203
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 5: of the three wide sets. So I think when it

1204
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 5: comes down to it, after Edelman, James White's gonna be

1205
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 5: the next guy that Tom Brady looks to when he's

1206
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 5: dropping back. Speaking of a guy I am not looking

1207
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 5: to at all, Probably one of the only guys that

1208
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 5: I'm saying, I'm just I'm just not drafting him.

1209
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: Darius Guys, he's the his ADP is the RB twenty nine.

1210
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 5: Then he got Adrian Peterson at the RB forty six,

1211
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 5: Chris Thompson seventy one.

1212
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 3: I mean, this just seems off to me. Because the

1213
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 3: Redskins coaching.

1214
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 5: Staff has slat out come out and said, hey, we

1215
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 5: want it to be a split between Guys and Peterson,

1216
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 5: maybe even sixty forty at best. And I just don't

1217
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 5: have the confidence that even if Geist is on the

1218
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 5: sixty percent end of it, which I don't think he

1219
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 5: will be, I think it will be a motivated Peterson

1220
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 5: because he's broke. I just don't have any confidence that

1221
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 5: Guys can overcome the injury the aco, then overcome another

1222
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 5: injury that he's struggling with in camp, overcome the lack

1223
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,479
Speaker 5: of experience, and overcome the fact that it's probably gonna

1224
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 5: be a three way committee rather than just the two

1225
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 5: to kind of OutKick that draft cost and become a

1226
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 5: top twenty four back or better.

1227
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 3: Jake, Am I right wrong.

1228
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: You're right in what we're assessing as of today. I

1229
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: think if you look at the potential situation, and why

1230
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: I'll take a gamble on Darius Guys a little bit

1231
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: earlier than most people is because I see the upside

1232
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: is that you told me today he was one hundred percent.

1233
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: I would say this is going to be Guys's backfield.

1234
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: They don't think Adrian Peterson gets knocked away completely, but

1235
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: I think he'll be enough touches if he were one

1236
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: hundred percent to be in the RB two conversation, and

1237
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: it's only not higher because of the offensive line and

1238
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: the offense as a whole. Like Darius Geys, if he's

1239
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: on the Dalvin Cook path, his timeline puts them ready

1240
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: in one hundred percent for week one. But as you mentioned,

1241
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: there's been another setback, there's been an injury. Adrian Peterson

1242
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: still hanging around, so all those concerns is what knocks

1243
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: him down into this range.

1244
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 2: I'm okay taking him here.

1245
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: I might even take him a half round earlier, just

1246
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: because it's we're so early in the draft process that

1247
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: the potential upside, like I said, is RB two. I

1248
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: will admittedly say, though, taking them where I'm taking them,

1249
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: it's because I already have solid, maybe even three solid

1250
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: running backs on my team, and I'm absorbing that risk.

1251
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: I would never take him as my number two if

1252
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: I went wide receiver heavy, and I'd be reluctant to

1253
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 1: even take him as my third running back.

1254
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, for me, it's just more like I

1255
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 5: think you start to get after you get outside of

1256
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 5: the guys who are really guaranteed anything in these backfields.

1257
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 5: I just rather wait a couple more rounds, and I

1258
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 5: think Harris better offense. You know, similar talent, maybe you know,

1259
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 5: maybe not as high ceiling of a talent, but I

1260
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 5: mean I just rather get a guy like that. So

1261
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 5: I'm off, guys, Sean, where are you with these projected

1262
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 5: touches in this Redskins backfield? Because I mean it's kind

1263
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 5: of a mess, and the injuries just complicate everything, Because

1264
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 5: I mean it is Chris Thompson gonna play double edgity

1265
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 5: games this year or not?

1266
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 6: I mean who knows with him? And then who knows

1267
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 6: when Bryce Love will be you know, healthy enough to go.

1268
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 6: So this whole backfield I'm pretty much avoiding. You can

1269
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 6: make a case for Chris Thompson and a PPR just

1270
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 6: you know, an emergency bye week filling kind of guy,

1271
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 6: But yeah, Geis and Peterson I want nothing to do with,

1272
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 6: you know, a true time share between two down backs

1273
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 6: on a bad team. That just sounds like a recipe

1274
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 6: for disappointment. So yeah, I mean I do understand Geist's upside,

1275
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 6: but you know, there's just better value right here with

1276
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 6: you know, Latavius Murray, who I love Darryl Henderson, Austin Eckler.

1277
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 6: I just rather kind of wait for those guys to

1278
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 6: fall to me than kind of reach friguy like guys,

1279
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 6: just this backfield in general is a mess, and you know,

1280
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 6: I don't like.

1281
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 4: To invest in backfield on bad teams.

1282
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 6: So that's that's partly why my productions for them are

1283
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 6: just a little bit lower than ADP and why they're

1284
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,919
Speaker 6: not really part of my draft plan right now.

1285
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I have Peterson leading the backfield, but

1286
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 5: I don't have either of those guys clearing one hundred

1287
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 5: and fifty carries for the season.

1288
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna kind of cannibalize each other's value.

1289
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 3: And I will say this.

1290
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 5: Just you know, not last season, but in twenty seventeen,

1291
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 5: only ten backs outscored Chris Thompson in PPR points per game.

1292
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 5: We're over here talking about, you know, Darryl Henderson with

1293
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 5: the Rams, as a guy who's gonna play the Chris

1294
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 5: Thompson role, and you have to spend like a six

1295
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 5: seventh round pick for him, Chris Thompson essentially free.

1296
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 3: So especially if maybe you do draft.

1297
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 5: Someone in a PPR league at a value like a

1298
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 5: Sony Michelle or somebody that you know may miss some

1299
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 5: time early on in the season. Chris Thompson not the

1300
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 5: worst guy to kind of scoop up, you know, in

1301
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 5: the last round. Maybe even Stash don't draft a kicker

1302
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 5: or or defense as Sean likes to kind of bang

1303
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 5: the drum on, but would just kind of hold Thompson

1304
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 5: to maybe maybe you might end up using him for

1305
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 5: a week or two early in the season, because I

1306
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,439
Speaker 5: don't think the Redskins are going to be very good,

1307
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 5: and that would kind of, you know, we to what

1308
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 5: I think would be at least until week two when

1309
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 5: they all congregate in the hospital, you know, some value

1310
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 5: for Chris Thompson. All right, we got we got a

1311
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 5: couple more backfields to get through. Let's go a little

1312
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 5: bit quicker here. Jordan Howard and Philly is the eighty

1313
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 5: by Eightyp's the RB thirty two, the rookie Miles Sanders

1314
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 5: the RB thirty seven. Howard apparently been dominating the first

1315
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 5: team reps in camp. But then, of course, guess when

1316
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 5: we hear that, we altoly hear, you know, glowing reports

1317
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 5: about Sanders. Jake, how are you kind of approaching the

1318
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 5: silly backfield.

1319
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep doing what I've been doing.

1320
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let somebody else draft Sanders and then try

1321
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: to scoop him up on the cheap after the frustration

1322
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: for the first couple of weeks, similar to the Patriots

1323
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: thing we're talking about. But the entire time I've been

1324
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: saying is Miles Sanders is no question the best talent

1325
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: in that backfield. Jordan Howard is Jordan. He's an average

1326
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: running back. He's going to see the touches to Miles

1327
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: Sanders as the lead option at some point, but it

1328
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: still dug Peterson's offense. The lead option still doesn't mean

1329
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: as much as it does on most teams. Darren Sproles

1330
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: was signed back because it's not gonna let Darren Sproles

1331
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: go if he's.

1332
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: An't got any gas left in the tank.

1333
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: So even Miles Sanders leading the backfield still probably only

1334
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: about fifteen touches a game. But it is the Eagles offense,

1335
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: and it's the Eagles backfield and offensive line, so I

1336
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: want that. But knowing that it's going to be a

1337
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: mix off the start from Miles Sanders missing time this

1338
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: offseason and being a rookie slow to develop into this team.

1339
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: I think the first two or three weeks are going

1340
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: to be frustrating and I'd rather let somebody else draft

1341
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: that problem and then go take them from him.

1342
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 3: Sean, you know, thoughts on the on the Philly backfield.

1343
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 5: A note I should point out to everyone listening is

1344
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 5: they did resign veteran Darren Spros to a one year

1345
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 5: deal when Sprolls has been on the roster as he's

1346
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 5: been these last couple of years under Doug Peterson, He's

1347
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 5: been on the field. So how does the sproll signing

1348
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 5: impact of the value for Sanders? And how are you

1349
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 5: approaching Howard versus Anders?

1350
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 6: Oh Man, I mean, I made a promise to myself

1351
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 6: a couple of years ago not to bother at the

1352
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 6: Eagles backfield. Ever, again, I can't tell you how much

1353
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 6: money I have lost on like in DFS, you know,

1354
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 6: rotating between mentals, smallwa Jji, Corey Clement, I mean, give

1355
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 6: me a break. But you know, Miles Sanders could break

1356
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 6: that curse. I think he could be the guy that

1357
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 6: we've been waiting for. And like Jake said, you know,

1358
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 6: someone's usually reaching for him, so I don't really get

1359
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 6: him much. But you know, it goes back to my

1360
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 6: point earlier, where the range of outcomes for him is

1361
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 6: pretty wide. So I think, you know, if he's falling

1362
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 6: towards you know, the back end of the thirties or early,

1363
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 6: I think that wide range kind of benefits him because

1364
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 6: you're getting him pretty cheap. We all know his upside,

1365
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 6: so you're getting out of costs for he doesn't really

1366
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 6: have to hit his upside to hit value.

1367
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 4: So but I actually like the idea that Jake.

1368
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 6: Sloating out there is let someone else draft him, let

1369
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 6: him struggle a few weeks, and then yeah, try to

1370
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 6: flip them and try to buy a load, just because

1371
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 6: his price right now is about right. But I think

1372
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 6: after the season starts, people might get impatient and more

1373
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 6: willing to you know, trade him away.

1374
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1375
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 5: And the one thing about you know, Doug Peterson, he

1376
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 5: has always been a kind of a committee guy. And

1377
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 5: I actually I'm the highest one Howard in this backfield.

1378
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 3: And one of the reasons is number.

1379
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 5: One, they went out and got the guy, you know,

1380
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 5: just like they went out and got Jayji. Peterson has

1381
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 5: shown a preference for these kind of early downbacks that

1382
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 5: don't catch the ball a lot. I mean in his tenure,

1383
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 5: they've had Ryan Matthews with Garrett Blunt, Jaya Jaii. I

1384
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 5: mean how many catches those guys combined for in a

1385
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 5: given season. I mean like over under sixteen. So, you know,

1386
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 5: I think Howard will be very involved, especially early on.

1387
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 3: He is the veteran.

1388
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 5: We're hearing he's quote unquote dominating first team reps. I

1389
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 5: think you just have to, you know, as Jake alluded to,

1390
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 5: pay attention in camp, but for right now, I don't

1391
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 5: really think you can do much but go with Howard.

1392
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 5: I have Sanders as my RB forty one in half

1393
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 5: point in full and forty in standard.

1394
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 3: I just don't really, you know, know what else to

1395
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 3: do with.

1396
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 5: Him other than kind of treat him like a fringe,

1397
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 5: you know, committee back at this point and you know,

1398
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 5: until we see more.

1399
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 3: I think that's what it is.

1400
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 5: I think later in the season he will, you know,

1401
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 5: finish stronger than than earlier. San Francisco backfield Tevin Coleman

1402
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 5: RB thirty, Jerk McKinnon RB forty, Matt Brda excuse Matt

1403
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 5: Brida RB fifty. Brito was a guy I was high

1404
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 5: on last year, you know, more so than Alfred Morris.

1405
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 5: I just thought his kind of more complete skill set

1406
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 5: wrote a lot to the table. But now you got

1407
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 5: three guys that kind of have these complete skill sets,

1408
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 5: all vying for touches. Colman somewhat of a surprise signing Jake.

1409
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 5: Is there any value in this San fran backfield, whether

1410
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 5: it's Coleman at thirty, McKinnon at forty, or Brita at fifty.

1411
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: You know, I really think these are proper values. I

1412
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: think that Coleman could end up being the best value here.

1413
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: But we saw, Look, people wanted Tevi Coleman to get

1414
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: his opportunity to lead a backfield, and he did with

1415
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: a really good offense last year, and he didn't do

1416
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: much with it. And for everybody's like, oh, NIC's back

1417
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: with Tyle Shanahan, Well, let's be honest about Steve Sracuseian.

1418
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: When he came in, the offense wasn't that different than

1419
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: what a Kyle Shanahan offense is. So I don't I

1420
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: don't understand why people making this assumption that it was

1421
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: such a poor situation.

1422
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 2: It's going to be so much better. I would put

1423
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 2: my money on Coleman.

1424
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: But there's also I used that number specific and I

1425
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: use that word specifically. Money is because a friend of

1426
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys too, as Mike Tagley are, pointed

1427
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: out the fact that they brought McKinnon back despite the

1428
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: opportunity they could have gotten out of the majority of his.

1429
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 2: Contract that they let him go.

1430
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: So that's a lot of money they're paying him where

1431
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: they had the opportunity to get out of it. They're

1432
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,919
Speaker 1: bigger him back. He is the best pass catching option

1433
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: of this team.

1434
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 2: You mentioned it.

1435
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: Matt Breida definitively looked like the best running back at

1436
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: times last year. I think if everybody's healthy, it sounds

1437
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: like Brita probably is the one that's inactive, because they've

1438
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: talked about the US check is going to be in

1439
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: the backfield and that most it's going to be on

1440
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: special teams.

1441
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 2: So one of them has to sit.

1442
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: So I would go Coleman right now, But I don't

1443
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: know if it's not just going to be a headache

1444
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: for the entire year, similar to what we see with

1445
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: the Patriots often.

1446
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's really.

1447
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 5: The key here is that you could be looking at

1448
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 5: it inactive.

1449
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 3: I'm of the opinion actually.

1450
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 5: That that it would be McKinnon I think they were

1451
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:30,439
Speaker 5: really high on him last year, but I think Brita

1452
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 5: just played too well. I think Brita just played too

1453
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 5: well and even though he gutted it out through injuries,

1454
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 5: which you know, goes over real well in the locker room,

1455
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 5: goes over real well with the coaching staff, and still

1456
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 5: was efficient when he was on the field. Sean, you

1457
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 5: kind of asked Friedman and I earlier this.

1458
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 3: Year if McKinnon could get cut.

1459
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 5: You know, now it's about a month or so later,

1460
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 5: Just where are you, I guess on this backfield quickly?

1461
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a mess.

1462
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 6: It's really hard to, you know, reach front of these

1463
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 6: guys because it's so crowded. But you know, their ADP

1464
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 6: is right in line. So if you feel strongly about

1465
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 6: a guy, go for it. But you know, as Jake mentioned,

1466
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 6: I think one of these guys will be inactive every week,

1467
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 6: which could help clear up some of the value, or

1468
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 6: you know, at least we can funnel these touches to

1469
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 6: a certain guy, and I.

1470
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 4: Think that would be Tevin Coleman.

1471
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 6: But you know that you still have guys like Raheem, Moser,

1472
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 6: coll of Use Check and even Jalen Heard might be

1473
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 6: a weapon of the backfield. So there's just so much

1474
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 6: clutter that you know, these are the type of situations

1475
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 6: right typically just avoid altogether.

1476
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, give me Kittle, give me Jimmy Garoppolo

1477
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 5: late if if I'm waiting on a quarterback and everyone

1478
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 5: in between, it's kind of a cluster, you know, of

1479
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 5: guys who could get targets, who could get carries. But

1480
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 5: I will say I do have rita rank above McKinnon

1481
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 5: because I just think coming off the injury, he has

1482
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 5: to prove himself again and I'm not so sure that

1483
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 5: he's not the one that ends up inactive on game days.

1484
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 3: All right, So we've gotten through.

1485
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 5: Pretty much all the backs you know in that you know,

1486
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 5: outside the top twelve, inside the top thirty six. So

1487
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 5: so just to rec before we get out of here,

1488
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 5: we're gonna do some some sweepers in a second. But first, Jake,

1489
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 5: I'll start with you just your top two targets, you know,

1490
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 5: so on your top target in that that thirteen to

1491
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 5: twenty four range and your top target in that twenty

1492
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 5: five to thirty sixth range, and then on the flip side,

1493
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 5: one guy you're avoiding in each of.

1494
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: Those tears and in those range all right, So I

1495
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: think people will know by now that that if we're

1496
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: using that tier from the ADP, it's Josh Jacobs easily

1497
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: in that tier two because I have him in Tier

1498
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: one for all intensive purposes, So that would be the

1499
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: one for me there. The one I would actually avoid

1500
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: in that range is Philip Lindsay. I don't know that

1501
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: they give him that kind of workload again, and Royce

1502
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: Streeman is gonna get another crack at the job, and

1503
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: they've already talked about bringing in theoretic just I think

1504
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: they know the body mass is dangerous when you're that size,

1505
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: and maybe we don't give him as many touches this.

1506
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 2: Year, So those would be those two and tier three.

1507
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: It's a tough one, but I'm probably who I think

1508
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: I'm going with, Tavious Murray slightly over Darryl Henderson. And

1509
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: we didn't even talk about Latavious Murray, but he's taking

1510
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: the mark Ingram role that has inherent standale loan value.

1511
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,919
Speaker 1: Let alone, if Kamara missus time you're going, I don't

1512
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: understand why more people aren't trying to just go ahead

1513
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: and take Latavius Murray as even a flex running back

1514
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: and then to avoid from that group, I'm just gonna

1515
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: we talked about I'll throw a Kareem hunt out because

1516
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: we kind of covered it just doesn't make sense. So

1517
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: I'll go up with Tevin Coleman, who we just talked

1518
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: about that I just can't spend that on Tivin Coleman.

1519
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just like I think Coleman is kind of

1520
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 5: valued correctly as the RB thirty because I do have him,

1521
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 5: you know about the over under first touches right around

1522
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 5: that that double digit mark of ten, which is where

1523
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 5: he's pretty much been, you know, nine, five, ten, ten,

1524
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 5: five eleven throughout his career.

1525
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 3: But I'm with you on Coleman. It's really tough at that.

1526
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 5: Sixtieth overall range because that's where I think you can

1527
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 5: start looking at some of the tight ends maybe that

1528
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 5: dropped or or just getting like a wide receiver three

1529
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 5: or something like that. Sean, how about you guy you're

1530
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 5: targeting in each of the tiers, the RB two and

1531
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 5: RB three tier, and then a guy you're fading.

1532
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, So for the RB two tier, the guy I've

1533
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 6: been loading up all off season has been carry on

1534
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 6: Johnson kind of anticipating theoretic getting cut. But now that

1535
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 6: he has, I've updated the projections and he's my RB

1536
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 6: fourteen now safe. We projected for about fifty receptions. He's

1537
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 6: a lock if he stays healthy to finish as a

1538
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 6: high end RB two, So I love him there.

1539
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 4: And then RB three.

1540
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 6: Tier Jake mentioned him, but I've been rating out of

1541
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 6: all off season as Latavius Murray. He was the top

1542
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 6: back and my running back Upside rankings where I went

1543
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 6: in and I, you know, projected every team starter being out,

1544
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 6: and Latavius Murray was a low end RB one if

1545
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 6: Alvin Kamar is out, and you know, even when Alvin

1546
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 6: Kamar is healthy, he's going to put up solid, possibly

1547
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 6: low end RB two flex type numbers. And that's you know,

1548
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 6: just assuming he picks up only about eighty percent of

1549
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 6: the mark Ingram role. So I think he's a steal

1550
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 6: already as is. And then my fades I mentioned him earlier,

1551
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 6: was Damian Williams. Just he's kind of at the top

1552
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 6: of the RB two tier, and you know, I'm all

1553
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 6: about tiers, so it's it's all about getting the guys

1554
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 6: closer to the end of the tier. Just getting as

1555
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 6: many guys from this tier as possible, and Damian Williams

1556
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 6: is going where I'm still trying to get my second

1557
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 6: wide receipt, so I've been kind of passing up on

1558
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 6: him just based on my draft plan in general.

1559
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 4: And then RB three tier Cream Hunt definitely, but that's

1560
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 4: a little too easy, I think. So I'm gonna go

1561
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 4: with Lamar Miller, who you know, I've loved over the

1562
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 4: past few years. He's such a sneaky, you know, late

1563
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 4: round guy, but he's a guy that you should take

1564
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 4: if you don't want to finish last place in your league,

1565
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 4: like if you have one of those punishments where you

1566
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,799
Speaker 4: need to get a tattoo saying I suck at fans football.

1567
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,799
Speaker 4: Take him if you don't want to finish last.

1568
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 6: But I like to play for first place. So, you know,

1569
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 6: a guy like him, he just doesn't have the upside,

1570
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 6: especially with Deontay Foreman. Deontay Foreman might not ever become

1571
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 6: the you know, RB two kind of back we thought

1572
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 6: because of his Achilles injury, but I think he's gonna

1573
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,719
Speaker 6: have enough of a role where he might make Lamar

1574
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 6: Miller very frustrating this year. And you know some guy

1575
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 6: that he might drop more to a flex to you know,

1576
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 6: just a bench stash.

1577
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 4: So he's a guy.

1578
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 6: I'm kind of avoiding him this tier because I'm all

1579
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 6: about upside Once you get to this point.

1580
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 5: Can we just create a whole new tier for Lamar Maryland,

1581
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 5: like the funishment tier, like like because he's like the

1582
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 5: only boring kind of safe Like we know what his

1583
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 5: workloads generally gonna be, probably gonna get sixty to seventy

1584
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 5: percent of the work probably rush for under a one

1585
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 5: thousand yards with with underwhelming numbers all around, but with

1586
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 5: stay on.

1587
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 3: The field, pass black a lot. I mean, it's just

1588
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 3: it's just boring at this point.

1589
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 4: Avoid humiliation tier.

1590
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 1: Basically nobody has ever legitimately clicked on Lamar Miller in

1591
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:22,679
Speaker 1: the draft and been.

1592
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 5: Like yes, yeah, I mean maybe in like twenty fourteen

1593
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,520
Speaker 5: or fifteen or something like that, but yeah, it's he's dependable.

1594
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 3: I don't know when it will run out, but.

1595
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, he's a guy I usually draft if

1596
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 5: like I'm going zero RB and I'm like I'm short

1597
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 5: of RB two and he drops a little bit, I'm like,

1598
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 5: all right, I'll kind of throw up my roster with

1599
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 5: a guy that's at LEAs gonna start the year as

1600
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 5: a starter. But if that's not the most boring pick

1601
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 5: in fantasy, and you probably.

1602
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,799
Speaker 2: Took the entire clock looking for another solution.

1603
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean yeah.

1604
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 5: I'm scrambling back and forth between positions. I'm about to

1605
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 5: take a quarterback early just to avoid taking But you know,

1606
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 5: for me, you know, the in the in that RB

1607
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 5: two tier, somebody I'm targeting is again, I like the

1608
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 5: whole tier, you know, right on down Damian Williams, right

1609
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 5: through Josh Jacobs, who I have a lot higher. But

1610
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 5: the guy I'll say again is Chris Carson, just because

1611
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 5: I think he's the one guy that people might not

1612
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,719
Speaker 5: have in that tier. He's actually going one spot behind

1613
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 5: mark Ingram, who I think is a fine pick but

1614
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,799
Speaker 5: kind of a similar guy to Carson, a run heavy offense,

1615
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,759
Speaker 5: except Ingram's a little bit older, his quarterback is running

1616
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 5: the ball a little more than.

1617
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson is in Seattle at this point.

1618
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 5: So again, twenty point five touches over those last thirteen

1619
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 5: regular season and playoff games for Carson, I think he

1620
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 5: has some untapped upside still, and as a guy.

1621
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 3: I'm fading, you know, I like most of the tier.

1622
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 5: I guess the only guy and I hate to go

1623
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 5: against Jake would be Montgomery, just because I think he

1624
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 5: hasn't quite earned that RB twenty two average draft position

1625
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 5: just yet.

1626
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,679
Speaker 3: I still think there are concerns about his Workloade.

1627
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 5: I think eventually he probably gets there, but it might

1628
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 5: not be in week one, And I think some of

1629
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 5: those other guys, or most of the other guys you're taking,

1630
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 5: are kind of there already in the RB three tier

1631
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:01,799
Speaker 5: guy I am targeting, you know, probably with Tavius Murdy.

1632
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 5: I mean I have him more as an RB thirty.

1633
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 5: He's usually going as a thirty six. You guys already

1634
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 5: hit on it, Mark and Grimol, maybe not quite as

1635
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 5: much pass catching, but I think Murray has huge upside,

1636
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 5: and we'll have some big weeks, some multi touchdown weeks,

1637
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 5: so you just kind of throw them in your flex

1638
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 5: and he's kind of a could be an X factor

1639
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 5: for you and a guy I am avoiding in that tier,

1640
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 5: you know, gotta be Geiss.

1641
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 3: I mean I don't.

1642
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 5: I still don't get the RB twenty nine. I just

1643
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 5: think that it's not even a given that he is

1644
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 5: has a leg up on Peterson or or will at

1645
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 5: any point this season. I mean it could really be

1646
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,759
Speaker 5: a fifty to fifty split, as as the coaching staff

1647
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 5: alluded to. So let's get out of here by leaving

1648
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 5: all the listeners out there with what I'm pretty sure

1649
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:50,600
Speaker 5: is their favorite thing, sleepers.

1650
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 3: Jake, I'll start with you give me one sleeper.

1651
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 5: In that you know probably going to get drafted, but

1652
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 5: outside the top thirty six. And then just one deep

1653
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 5: sleeper that you can probably get for free that that

1654
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 5: that goes undrafted in.

1655
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: Oh, I know, I know the one you can get

1656
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 2: for free.

1657
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,600
Speaker 1: We'll get to this, like the thirty six to like

1658
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: the sixty range that I'm kind of looking at is

1659
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,759
Speaker 1: it's not even as sleeper as a name that people

1660
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 1: don't know. It's I still don't get why people aren't

1661
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: drafting him and are so hell bent on ignoring him

1662
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 1: in drafts, especially in PPR.

1663
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 2: It was a bad season last year.

1664
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: But if we're this excited about the Browns, and we're

1665
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: this excited even if he is traded at the deadline,

1666
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: who cares Duke Johnson should not be going as deep

1667
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: as Duke Johnson is going. He is still, if implemented correctly,

1668
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 1: one of the best pass catching running backs in the NFL.

1669
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: He's part of the reason I'm not as high on

1670
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb's projections, because they would have to make a

1671
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: concerted effort to get Chubb more passing game work, and

1672
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,839
Speaker 1: I don't think they do until they trade Duke Johnson,

1673
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 1: if they even do. I think Duke Johnson is just

1674
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: being so disrespected this year. The second one, second one, yeah,

1675
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: super deep, this is I know he's not because I

1676
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: even checked on the page on the link that you said.

1677
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: He's not even on the page, which doesn't make any

1678
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: sense because the.

1679
01:12:57,960 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 2: Lions just got rid of theoretic.

1680
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: They just gave Theoretic still around seventy targets last year

1681
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: and he missed two games. Ty Johnson stepping into the

1682
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: theoretic role. Patricia has made it clear he's going to

1683
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 1: as you said earlier in the show, he has a

1684
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 1: role for his running backs, and Ty Johnson is stepping

1685
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: into the theoretic role.

1686
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 2: Sure he could bust, but he is beyond free.

1687
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 1: Is beyond like he's undrafted, and then a few more

1688
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: rounds and then he's still undrafted. So I'm just stashing

1689
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: Ty Johnson in a lot of full point PPR leagues.

1690
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 5: I can't argue with those man Ty Johnson, I mean

1691
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 5: I thought you might go for CJ. Anderson when he

1692
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 5: started talking about the mine's backfield, because I mean, I mean,

1693
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 5: let's be really, he could in He could play the

1694
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 5: with GOWERT. Blunt roll a lot better than Blunt played

1695
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 5: it last year when he averaged I think under three

1696
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 5: yard to carry Sean. How about you give me a

1697
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 5: sleeper in that RB outside the top thirty six, but

1698
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 5: inside the top sixty and then a deep guy that

1699
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:48,719
Speaker 5: usually goes undrafted.

1700
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 6: So my sleeper outside the top thirty six would be

1701
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 6: Usin Eckler. I was actually liking him out as ADP

1702
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 6: before the Melvin Gordon drama happened, So you know, I

1703
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 6: think he's He's a pretty low ceiling kind of guy,

1704
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 6: but high floor is a pass catcher in that offense.

1705
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 6: But with Melvin Gordon, you know, I think it's possible

1706
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 6: he misses some time Eckler. You could check my Running

1707
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 6: Back Upside Rankings article for this. But he jumps up

1708
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 6: to mid range RB two and then you know, Justin

1709
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 6: Jackson will take over, you know, a lot of the

1710
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 6: Melvin Gordon role. But I think Eckler, even if Gordon

1711
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 6: plays all sixteen games. I think he can hit value

1712
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,600
Speaker 6: at his current AVP. So you're getting the upside of

1713
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 6: Gordon missing time basically for free right now. So I

1714
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 6: like Eckler there. And then my deep super is Chase Edmonds.

1715
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 6: You know, he's again referencing my running back upside article.

1716
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 6: He'd be the guy that see the biggest boose if

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01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 6: the starting running back is ever missing time and David Johnson,

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01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 6: but I think he could actually carve out a role

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01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 6: where he could be you know, like a heavy week

1720
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 6: by a heavy week by kind of flex guy.

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01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 4: You know.

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01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 6: Cliff Kingsbury has mentioned that he expects a really nice

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01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 6: role for Edmonds. I happen to think that's his coach speak.

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01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 6: But you know, if their offense is fast as we

1725
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 6: think it could be in there, you know, running over

1726
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 6: seventy plays a game, David Johnson is going to need

1727
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 6: a breather.

1728
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 4: So Chase Edmonds can have a.

1729
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 6: Nice little six to eight touch role on a weekly basis,

1730
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 6: even if DJ is healthy.

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01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:13,560
Speaker 4: And I love getting backs like that. You know, we

1732
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 4: mentioned Olatavious Murray earlier.

1733
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 6: But a guy that can just prop he can pose,

1734
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 6: you know, you know, flex value even when the starting

1735
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 6: back is healthy and then you know has high upside

1736
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:27,640
Speaker 6: RB two upside if David Johnson reever miss time. So

1737
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 6: I just love Chase Edmonds. You can get him for free.

1738
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 6: His ADP is running back seventy six right now, so

1739
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 6: I'll like take him as a last round flyer.

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01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I love Edmunds. I mean I think he's

1741
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 5: going criminally overlooked and drafts. When you're getting a guy

1742
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 5: that's a clear handcuff to a you know, a top

1743
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 5: five pick essentially, I think you got to jump on

1744
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 5: it because Edmunds can catch the football. For me, It's

1745
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 5: a guy we already talked about outside of the top

1746
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 5: thirty six.

1747
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 3: Damien Harris.

1748
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 5: You know, Jake kind of alluded to it. You got

1749
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 5: to take the cheapest piece in this New England backfield.

1750
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 5: Harris is that guy reports out of camp redown was

1751
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 5: looked at on all three downs.

1752
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 3: I know James White will probably be in there on

1753
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 3: a lot of the.

1754
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 5: Past times, but James White could also split out and

1755
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 5: if they want to get Harris involved, I think they will.

1756
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 5: I also think they do want to preserve Michelle, who

1757
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 5: is a little bit banged up and as a guy,

1758
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:20,839
Speaker 5: you know, outside of the top sixty. I am actually

1759
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 5: going to go with another guy from that Detroit backfield

1760
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 5: in CJ. Anderson, because I think if you look at

1761
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 5: La Garrett Blunt, you know they want to run the

1762
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 5: ball more. And Blunt got about, you know, ten carries

1763
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 5: per game last season. Now they got Darryl Bevill, they're

1764
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 5: gonna run even more. And I think carry On Johnson

1765
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 5: is still a guy They're gonna let him catch the ball.

1766
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 5: I think Riddick opens up a lot of catches for him,

1767
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 5: but that doesn't necessarily mean they're gonna give him twenty carries.

1768
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 5: You know, Johnson was in that eleven to thirteen carry

1769
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 5: range in most weeks, and I think that Anderson can

1770
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 5: push for double digit carries each week.

1771
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 3: He's not gonna give you much catching.

1772
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 5: The football, but he could give you at the goal

1773
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 5: line quite a few touchdowns, especially if this is kind

1774
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 5: of a you know, vintage Daryl Bebbo offense. So he's

1775
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 5: a guy that you can kind of get for free,

1776
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 5: who I really think has some upside now that Theo

1777
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 5: Riddick no longer on the team, and that doesn't Jake

1778
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 5: really thank you for joining us, and you know, tell

1779
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 5: us where we can find you and anything you want

1780
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 5: to plug it that you're working on.

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01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it was definitely it was. I enjoyed

1782
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 2: this quite a bit.

1783
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 1: It was a good discussion, as you said, especially on

1784
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 1: a lot of concerning running backs and yeah at the

1785
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,519
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01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 1: out a little bit right there, but yeah, people know

1791
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: where I'm at. All in Kid, I tweet out everything anyway.

1792
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:48,640
Speaker 1: You guys are probably you two probably annoyed with how

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01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 1: much you see me in your timeline, so you can

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01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:51,759
Speaker 1: always find me on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: Great work again, thanks for coming through. Really enjoyed the discussion. Sean.

1796
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 3: Tell everybody where they can find you and which you're up.

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Speaker 4: To you can.

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Speaker 6: I'm on Twitter at the Underscore Oddsmaker Later this week,

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01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 6: I'm going to be starting my tears, so rolling out

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Speaker 6: my QB running back wide Receiver Titan teers next week.

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01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 6: Going over all the strategy and you know specifically who's

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01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,720
Speaker 6: in each tier for me heading into twenty nineteen.

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