Speaker 1: Look mad oh, I see you? Why why? Oh? And
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yeah? Goodness? Ling you? Well,
Speaker 1: I hope you are. What's going on right now? You are?
Speaker 1: We both in a little dip? Should we acknowledge this
Speaker 1: and be up front? I have been anxious all day
Speaker 1: and I literally don't know why I do Why? Why
Speaker 1: do you know? Why? Well, I it's so stupid. I
Speaker 1: just I feel tell me now, I feel like we're
Speaker 1: at the time of the pandemic. We're like I don't
Speaker 1: talk to a single person that is doing well. And
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's hard to like, it's hard to
Speaker 1: make yourself feel good when like when wheneveryone around you
Speaker 1: feels bad, you know what I mean? Like you get this,
Speaker 1: I get this. You're so right, and I hadn't thought
Speaker 1: of it that way before. My sister so wise. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, you might call me the wisdom. You are
Speaker 1: the wisdom. I call you that all the time. But
Speaker 1: aren't you doing relatively okay? Like yes, but then there's
Speaker 1: there's little things. I just feel like it's a very
Speaker 1: inactive time right now, at being the winter. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine like and I'm saying this like in Los Angeles. Mean,
Speaker 1: while you're in New York whered it's absolutely covered in snow.
Speaker 1: You do not understand the luxury that is to be
Speaker 1: able to drive fifteen minutes to Griffith Park and not
Speaker 1: even five, it's even five, not even five. And then
Speaker 1: you go on a gorgeous hike up through those hills
Speaker 1: and you can even go behind one or two hills
Speaker 1: and look at the San Gabriel Valley. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: what a life in an l A. I've forgotten my roots,
Speaker 1: That's what it is. I'm disconnected from my touchstones that
Speaker 1: keep me grounded and tethered really to to earth. But no,
Speaker 1: it's not a big deal. It's I'm just thinking of myself,
Speaker 1: like why do I do that? Like I'm the kind
Speaker 1: of person that I really absorb other people's stuff, and um,
Speaker 1: it ends up dictating my experience. Um, and I I
Speaker 1: don't know what queen em path queen. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just it's just something I've been thinking about a lot
Speaker 1: because I just feel like it's a time in the
Speaker 1: pandemic when no one is like, um, feeling happy. Also, honestly,
Speaker 1: I think I've just like the week has been a
Speaker 1: lot like after the accident. I still don't have a car,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm still just like sitting
Speaker 1: here and not really doing much. And I haven't been
Speaker 1: able to go out and like buy groceries, and I
Speaker 1: was doing very good with cooking for myself and etcetera.
Speaker 1: It's just like a weird, lullish time in the pandemic.
Speaker 1: And I think what happens when you're not doing much
Speaker 1: and you have an addiction to social media is you're
Speaker 1: on it a lot. So I will say it ain't
Speaker 1: good right now. We're living in a great time of
Speaker 1: social media either, No, And it actually sort of brings
Speaker 1: me to a piece of culture I feel we should discuss,
Speaker 1: which is the Brittany of it all. And I watched
Speaker 1: the Brittany documentary, and I think this is one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why I was in a funk. Like I
Speaker 1: watched the Brittany documentary. It was devastating, and in watching it,
Speaker 1: I felt a lot of like I think, like personal
Speaker 1: responsibility is the wrong way to say it, but I
Speaker 1: felt like we have not been there for her as
Speaker 1: a as a people, that she gave so much too.
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself and of course I had
Speaker 1: to take to Twitter, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: in watching I tried to say in so many words,
Speaker 1: in watching the Britney Spears documentary, it's so clearly that
Speaker 1: this is to me anyway, this is about so much
Speaker 1: more than just her. It's about uh, misogynist and sexist
Speaker 1: culture that would basically for so many years sort of
Speaker 1: try to condition us to make us feel like the
Speaker 1: suffering of these celebrities and really mainly these women is
Speaker 1: funny and like, you know, like we were cultured by
Speaker 1: like late night and tabloid culture to think there was
Speaker 1: entertainment value in this type of thing. And so I
Speaker 1: tweeted that something to that extent, and like a lot
Speaker 1: of the responses I got were like yeah, duh, and
Speaker 1: it's like okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, it just became
Speaker 1: this luckily thing. Well, people are just people online are
Speaker 1: just so mad about why that they're mad that you, like,
Speaker 1: even the reminders of that reality that you are already
Speaker 1: aware of way way before this documentary came out, that
Speaker 1: you don't sort of like vocalize that every day as
Speaker 1: if it's an implicit truth, Like for I mean, but
Speaker 1: it's I don't care for people who say duh, like
Speaker 1: I don't understand what the conversational rhetorical like use of
Speaker 1: that is to be like, yeah, we've all known that.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, then good for fucking you. This No,
Speaker 1: no, no no, literally this because one thing I was entertaining
Speaker 1: is my I don't think so honey. Later was people
Speaker 1: that are like, well, I never thought it was funny
Speaker 1: what was happening with Britney Spears, like good for you.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe that someone would take this opportunity to
Speaker 1: so how they've always been a better person than everyone else.
Speaker 1: It's like we're just pointing out that the culture like
Speaker 1: was set so that we like enjoyed the downfall of
Speaker 1: these celebrities. It's been like that for a very long time.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm not breaking any news. I'm just pointing
Speaker 1: it out what the documentary illustrates. And people are just
Speaker 1: like they need so desperately to like let you all know, well,
Speaker 1: but well I was I always thought it was horrible
Speaker 1: what they did the Brittey Spears good for you. I'm sorry, No,
Speaker 1: that's pathetic, and you know you know what that does.
Speaker 1: That's also buying into like stupid individualist nonsense where it's
Speaker 1: like that you think it's important that you were exceptional
Speaker 1: in whatever way of thinking to be like, well, this
Speaker 1: what you're saying has no value or importance because I
Speaker 1: am the exception that that doesn't take away from the
Speaker 1: fact that this is a society that this has been
Speaker 1: like there was a societal project to ruin Britney Spears's life. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and I think, like, but it is it's it is
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and it is individualism or re collectivism where
Speaker 1: it's like, it doesn't fucking matter what your individual like
Speaker 1: responsibility as a person is, Like you you're not changing anything,
Speaker 1: any outcome as it relates to some collective issue. That's all.
Speaker 1: It is, Like, I don't care that you always thought
Speaker 1: that what we were doing in Britney Spears is sucked up.
Speaker 1: This documentary exists in spite of that, right, and we
Speaker 1: are reacting to it. And what I think, I think
Speaker 1: it's number one case that it makes is that this
Speaker 1: is misogyny period, Like this is just what we did
Speaker 1: to this girl, this superhuman talent who was willing to
Speaker 1: give and give and give from the time she was
Speaker 1: nine ten years old. On Star Starts, she was being
Speaker 1: asked questions by Ed McMahon. Did you get to watch
Speaker 1: the doc Yeah, I watched. I watched the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I had asked, sir, do you have a boy friend? Like?
Speaker 1: It's truly wild, wild wild, And honestly, and you and
Speaker 1: I talked about this over FaceTime yesterday, like, and you
Speaker 1: said something and I think that is brilliant, which is
Speaker 1: anyone who worked in media in like the year two thousand,
Speaker 1: let's say, like two thousand to two thousand eight nine,
Speaker 1: she just no longer work in media. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: think they should be replaced. If you're Diane Sawyer, if
Speaker 1: you're fucking Matt Lower obviously, or like Jay Leno, or
Speaker 1: like any of those people who like truly like went
Speaker 1: after this woman or like took the pot shots at
Speaker 1: the time when it was such low hanging fruit, like
Speaker 1: you should go fund yourself. I I honestly, ever since
Speaker 1: the Connie Chunk thing, and even before that, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that fucking Diane fucking Sawyer because
Speaker 1: you and I have even talked about that moment in
Speaker 1: the interview when Britney basically says like there's power and masturbation,
Speaker 1: she says, she's the words she used where she feels
Speaker 1: that masturbation is a sacred thing that she doesn't want
Speaker 1: to that that she feels like a power and a
Speaker 1: pleasure and a and Diane looked at her like she
Speaker 1: had three heads and was like, you think it's sacred
Speaker 1: And you can see in that moment Brittany sort of
Speaker 1: sink into herself and she said, oh, just kidding, I
Speaker 1: think I'm confused. I'm embarrassed, and she like moved it along,
Speaker 1: and then like what's also explored in the documentary is
Speaker 1: how basically Diane Sawyer is cornering Brittany in that interview,
Speaker 1: being like, what did you do to Justin Timberlake to
Speaker 1: make it? Because it was just and we can talk
Speaker 1: about Justin at length, but like, but the media basically
Speaker 1: like really sided with him with no evidence but his
Speaker 1: own testimony, his own obviously biased testimony. And when you
Speaker 1: watch the whole documentary, it's clear they had been out
Speaker 1: to get her from the beginning because people were uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with her expressing sexuality in the way that she did,
Speaker 1: in connecting with young girl in the way that she
Speaker 1: did who hadn't really had someone like that um to
Speaker 1: speak specifically to this generation because the thing about Britney
Speaker 1: Spears is she is our generations. You can even say
Speaker 1: millennial generations answer to Generation x's Madonna and Janet Jackson,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There was not uh sexually
Speaker 1: forward figure like that, and she happened to be young
Speaker 1: and you know, selling a sexy image, and I think
Speaker 1: people were so offended and triggered by that. It's not
Speaker 1: even that we were uncomfortable. We were always comfortable. We
Speaker 1: were always overly comfortable, or even just we were dictating
Speaker 1: what her sexuality should be by being like, oh, let's
Speaker 1: ask her about her TETs when she's sucking eighteen. It's
Speaker 1: only we were like she did, like she found her
Speaker 1: little cracks in the Veneer to like express herself sexually.
Speaker 1: But it was also this thing where like we were
Speaker 1: the ones who fucking chipped at it because we kept
Speaker 1: like making jokes about her boobs or her virginity and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. So it's it's not even that like
Speaker 1: we we it was a reactionary thing. It's that we,
Speaker 1: like as a society, were so fucking interrogational about her
Speaker 1: existence as like a really confident performer and an attractive
Speaker 1: performer and someone who like could be like very commanding physically.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, God, I like watched back like
Speaker 1: the pepsi Ads from the super Bowl, like you know,
Speaker 1: twenty years ago at this point, and it's like, God,
Speaker 1: Britney Spears was a fucking dynamo and like Jackson level
Speaker 1: choreographic dancing and like had that quality where you just
Speaker 1: like lost your mind when you saw her like pop
Speaker 1: out on stage at that time, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean absolutely, I mean there was before Brittany for our generation,
Speaker 1: and there was after Brittany. And I say this sometimes
Speaker 1: on the podcast, and I believe you have a similar experience,
Speaker 1: but I remember the day she impacted, Like I remember
Speaker 1: there was a day where Baby one more Time was
Speaker 1: not in the culture. And then next day I remember
Speaker 1: I were distinctly remember walking into third grade and it
Speaker 1: was like have you seen Britney Spears. We love Britney Spears,
Speaker 1: Like Britney Spears is the best. And I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: hold on, who is Britney Spears. And at that time,
Speaker 1: you couldn't just go home and like look it up,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you had to remember
Speaker 1: I had to beg my parents to let me put
Speaker 1: on MTV because I was not allowed to watch that
Speaker 1: because I knew they weren't playing around VH one. I
Speaker 1: was like, please, like you don't understand, like there's a
Speaker 1: singer that I have to know in order to fit in.
Speaker 1: Like it got to that point and they were like
Speaker 1: And I remember my uncle was like, oh, I've seen
Speaker 1: the Britney Spears video. You know it's really something else.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I need to see it. And
Speaker 1: then when because it was this there was a demand
Speaker 1: for her that it was. It was so instant that
Speaker 1: and I think that art generation hadn't really experienced anything
Speaker 1: like that. Like yes, with the Spice Girls, um, but
Speaker 1: there were so many of them, and also with boy bands,
Speaker 1: there were so many people involved. Like that sounds silly,
Speaker 1: but a targeted fixation on one individual had not really
Speaker 1: happened yet for our generation. And you're right, like it
Speaker 1: took my sister to bring home a c D of
Speaker 1: Baby One More time the album, Like I I didn't
Speaker 1: know who she was until the album came out, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like, but then like I just
Speaker 1: I remember, I have like the fullest sense memory of
Speaker 1: like being in my living room in our house in
Speaker 1: Canada and just like putting in the CD and being like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is the best thing I've ever
Speaker 1: heard in my life. Yes, oh absolutely, I mean even
Speaker 1: the like besides like soda pops sometimes sometimes email my heart,
Speaker 1: like that album Diary and I can't smile Daddy, And
Speaker 1: she was she no one had ever been like that.
Speaker 1: And I remember it was like, I don't even think
Speaker 1: I knew what she looked like until I got to
Speaker 1: the record store and walked up to the new releases
Speaker 1: and picked up the album and the CD. And then
Speaker 1: were you like, she's the prettiest girl? I was like,
Speaker 1: she's so pretty. I was like, oh, she's like super cute,
Speaker 1: and she's exactly as pretty as everyone said she would be.
Speaker 1: And then you turn on you hear and the world changed.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was the moment. It was Brittany's. Was
Speaker 1: Brittany's only placement in the top two hundred moments, number
Speaker 1: two hundred, No, there had to have been more. Two
Speaker 1: hundred is when Britney said, good morning America. Well that's
Speaker 1: it's you know what, we might have to do a
Speaker 1: new list. We might because because we might have to
Speaker 1: do for two episode, we might have to do top
Speaker 1: two fifty moments that didn't make it, because it's just
Speaker 1: getting to be ridiculous how many things we've missed because
Speaker 1: what should be on the list is no that just
Speaker 1: that sound should be on the list. Um, and maybe
Speaker 1: maybe maybe we can have Doug put it in right here?
Speaker 1: Can you just put the sound from the Brittany songwrite
Speaker 1: in right here? Great? I'm so happy And now all
Speaker 1: you're thinking about is that song in the music video,
Speaker 1: the fucking like little puffs in her ponytail at Pigtails. Yes,
Speaker 1: but you know what else is interesting, like the amount
Speaker 1: of time where she was like super dominant, which was
Speaker 1: like ninety eight to two thousand four or five, like
Speaker 1: up through in the zone like before it got kind
Speaker 1: of weird with her being consumed by the paparazzi and
Speaker 1: everything when she was just truly untouchable everyone's favorite. Um,
Speaker 1: it felt like twenty years but was only like six.
Speaker 1: It was only sex six. It was like nine because
Speaker 1: baby warmer time was oh no, baby, one more time
Speaker 1: is nine and then said it again with two thousand.
Speaker 1: That makes sense because that was the That was also
Speaker 1: at the same time when the Backstrap Boys put out
Speaker 1: the millennium album. So this, like with the Millennium, was
Speaker 1: a huge like the like time stamp well because back
Speaker 1: then it was because it really was like once a
Speaker 1: year there would be a new Brittany album. And I
Speaker 1: was like, truly even as a kid, getting used to
Speaker 1: the cadence of once a year, there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: Britney Spears album, and it's gonna be so it's gonna
Speaker 1: consume my life because it was baby one more time
Speaker 1: two thousand, WASP did again in two thousand one was Brittany,
Speaker 1: and I think and then in the Zone wasn't until
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, but even then I was just like,
Speaker 1: we're getting Brittany consistently, and I like did not know how,
Speaker 1: like you know this the industry worked. So I was
Speaker 1: just like, for the until I die, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a new Britney Spears album once or once every two years,
Speaker 1: once every year or once every two years. And also
Speaker 1: like you don't understand what it takes to have that output.
Speaker 1: Like now looking back, it's like they probably worked out
Speaker 1: like a dog and like and and she probably and
Speaker 1: you see in the documentary that she enjoys it and
Speaker 1: likes and like has input and like, yeah, is part
Speaker 1: of the process of executive ability. And then I remember
Speaker 1: when she took her a little break before she did
Speaker 1: in the Zone because she was gonna like rebrand and
Speaker 1: come back as this, you know, a little bit older
Speaker 1: version of Britney Spears, and it felt like it was
Speaker 1: a veteran returning. Meanwhile, she had been in the industry
Speaker 1: for like four years year well, and I mean and
Speaker 1: I mean as a huge mainstream pop act. Obviously she
Speaker 1: had done Mickey Mouse Club and all that stuff. But
Speaker 1: but I just remember her being so ubiquitous and at
Speaker 1: the time obviously not knowing what that meant, which is
Speaker 1: that she must be working insanely hard. And the documentary
Speaker 1: just shows that. I think people do appreciate the documentary
Speaker 1: showing like a moment of her being like, I was
Speaker 1: not controlled from the I was not a puppet from
Speaker 1: the beginning. I really. And it's like what Justin Tranter
Speaker 1: said to when we have them on there, like someone
Speaker 1: who like achieves like Selena, let's say, his levels of success.
Speaker 1: They were they were talking about like Selena gom As
Speaker 1: his level of success that's not by accident, that's like
Speaker 1: there's something there's some personal power in there and that
Speaker 1: artist to like know what to lean in on. And
Speaker 1: I feel like you have to give credit to Britney
Speaker 1: Spears for knowing that herself. Yeah, it's important to know
Speaker 1: that too in the documentaries because of the position that
Speaker 1: she's in now where she has like no autonomy over
Speaker 1: what she's doing, and it's it's crazy because what the
Speaker 1: documentary argues is that basically it went from postpartum combined
Speaker 1: combined with the fact that the paparazzi was out to
Speaker 1: get her, and the fact it went from that to
Speaker 1: conservatorship pretty much within a span of like six months, right,
Speaker 1: which is unheard of Black. Around the release of Black,
Speaker 1: which was like October seven into the first quarter of
Speaker 1: that was when that was like the full cycle of
Speaker 1: the conservatorship or in terms of like it's sort of
Speaker 1: being talked about and then it finally happening. And truly
Speaker 1: that like that that crazy like if if it like
Speaker 1: butterfly effect moment was that one lawyer being rejected from
Speaker 1: representing her in the in the dispute because like she
Speaker 1: gets this quarter appointed lawyer to represent her and then
Speaker 1: she loses the dispute and then she has to be
Speaker 1: under her father's conservatorship, right, you know I'm talking about yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and like it's just crazy, how rigged. It obviously feels
Speaker 1: against her, the fact that it seems like no matter
Speaker 1: what she says or does, and now she's like legally
Speaker 1: in court documents she is she is saying she fears
Speaker 1: her father, she doesn't want him involved, she won't work,
Speaker 1: she won't work with him, she won't put out any
Speaker 1: new work if he's still the concern, right, And she recognizes, appreciates,
Speaker 1: and supports the informed support of her fans who are
Speaker 1: the Free Brittany movement, which to me means that like,
Speaker 1: there's something wrong here. And I really feel like we
Speaker 1: should be able to hear from her, and yes you
Speaker 1: can on her Instagram and stuff. And she actually trolled
Speaker 1: today and she put out a close that was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: what we've all been waiting for last week the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: I was rooting for both teams, Like she kind of
Speaker 1: like said something like like that, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but Brittany, what's going on? Because it's now gotten to
Speaker 1: a point where it's like it's it's it's it's ordinarily
Speaker 1: with a big stunt like this like, whenever Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: pulls a stunt or like whatever, it's usually whether we
Speaker 1: can see it on face value or not, in service
Speaker 1: of some sort of project or the brand. This is not.
Speaker 1: So it's like her life, Yeah, this is for her safety, satity, livelihood.
Speaker 1: And so it just feels to me like there's obviously
Speaker 1: something wrong with someone being in control of her money
Speaker 1: and person who she says she she explicitly doesn't want
Speaker 1: in that role and has been saying that. And then
Speaker 1: there was that weird interview with her brother where he
Speaker 1: was like, you know, the women in my family are
Speaker 1: very strong willed, and it's annoying or something. I was like,
Speaker 1: the deal here, it's just like and where he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm one of the few men in the family.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, it's you and your dad, who's a
Speaker 1: full fucking deadbeat who is absent for most of Brittaney's
Speaker 1: life and trying to start off these stupid little griff
Speaker 1: de rackets or whatever the fuck. And now he's like
Speaker 1: swooping back in and controlling her money and having her
Speaker 1: pay for his lawyers. It's so fucked up. Um, that
Speaker 1: fucking lawyer who represents Jamie was so stupid. I can't
Speaker 1: believe she like that fucking woman who was just like, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: the conservatorship is like legitimate in these ways, and then
Speaker 1: she like like a we you see, like a week
Speaker 1: after that interview she went back to represent Jamie Spears.
Speaker 1: It's like, so it's so stacked against poor Brittany, and
Speaker 1: it's like and and yeah, like but I wonder like
Speaker 1: what we like, you say that we have not been
Speaker 1: there for her? I agree, but what do we do
Speaker 1: well to be to be there for her? And what
Speaker 1: I mean by that is like, what I mean is
Speaker 1: I don't think it's possible. And a lot of people
Speaker 1: were telling me I was wrong yesterday on Twitter, and
Speaker 1: good for fucking you, sweetheart, good for you. But I
Speaker 1: don't think it's possible to sit here and say, as
Speaker 1: a consumer of culture in the era of Britney Spears,
Speaker 1: as a millennial who is like a fan of pop culture,
Speaker 1: that that there's not stuff to examine about the way
Speaker 1: that we've experienced examined discussed culture and we literally do
Speaker 1: it on this show, and we've had to change the
Speaker 1: way that we talk a lot. I mean, when when
Speaker 1: when um, when Adele came back into the scene and
Speaker 1: had lost all that weight. You know, we said, like,
Speaker 1: we have to change the way that we talk about
Speaker 1: especially women in the in the public eye, because this
Speaker 1: has real repercussions on their lives. And I think that
Speaker 1: someone like Britney spears because she's just always been there
Speaker 1: and always been ubiquitous, because there's some joy in talking
Speaker 1: about her or experiencing her in any way. We all
Speaker 1: are a little brainwashed and conditioned to feel like it's
Speaker 1: okay to laugh at someone who's rich, or it's okay
Speaker 1: to laugh at someone who's beautiful, or it's okay to
Speaker 1: laugh at someone who's talented, who seemingly is undefeatable. But
Speaker 1: with her, it's like, when she's so clearly was vulnerable,
Speaker 1: it felt like it came at the perfect storm when
Speaker 1: it came to like the tabloid culture. And like I remember,
Speaker 1: I was a big consumer of Peress Hilton because at
Speaker 1: the time, when I was in middle school, high school,
Speaker 1: I did think a lot of the ways he was
Speaker 1: sety towards celebrity was funny because something about the way
Speaker 1: that um it was all framed or it just always
Speaker 1: felt like a punch up um I guess or maybe
Speaker 1: it was just the fact that I grew up in
Speaker 1: a very toxic, patriarchal part of the world, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, And I'm just recognizing that now and
Speaker 1: it's just another step of the unlearning of all of that.
Speaker 1: But I did, um, you know, not enjoy, but participate
Speaker 1: in a narrative that was Wow, Britney spears, like what
Speaker 1: a train wreck, you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 1: think it's disingenuous to say not me, never me, Like
Speaker 1: I just think that that means it's it's it's a
Speaker 1: lack of self awareness to think you were better than
Speaker 1: all of this and that you didn't participate in this.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. It's like denying
Speaker 1: that you were a part of some large collective sentiment
Speaker 1: about something, right, Like I don't know that that it's
Speaker 1: it's not like it's not that I'm sure it's not that.
Speaker 1: It's not that like, um, we're saying that like oh,
Speaker 1: like contrarians are or that's not like like like that's
Speaker 1: like a useless stance to take. But it's like also,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really undermine anything about the dominant like feeling
Speaker 1: around something or that you sort of absolve yourself from
Speaker 1: like the consequences of that. Does that make sense? It's
Speaker 1: like yeah, like you being like I didn't, I never,
Speaker 1: I never like sort of fell for the whole like
Speaker 1: Brittany like ha ha, train doesn't mean that like millions
Speaker 1: of other people did right exactly, And so it's basically
Speaker 1: just like a way to like say you're better than everyone,
Speaker 1: which cool and great, good for you, I'm so happy
Speaker 1: for you, like wonderful, Like next time there's a big
Speaker 1: polarizing issue, will listen to you first, because you're on
Speaker 1: the right side of history about everything. But my thing
Speaker 1: is just like like like millions and millions of people
Speaker 1: clearly felt conditioned by a society into thinking that this
Speaker 1: was an acceptable way to treat someone because she was
Speaker 1: treated that way and is in the positions that she's
Speaker 1: in now and like we saw it. So so I
Speaker 1: don't think that denying that you that or or like
Speaker 1: trying to absolve yourself from it or like take blame
Speaker 1: off of yourself a responsibility off of yourself for what
Speaker 1: happened to this person is necessarily helpful because it happened
Speaker 1: and we're dealing with it now. Sure, Sure, And then
Speaker 1: I find Brittany. I find Brittany to be tragic because
Speaker 1: it's like what you were saying, like and what the
Speaker 1: doc says is that her having children um coincided with
Speaker 1: the paparazzi at there sort of keep powers and so
Speaker 1: like it just it just it's just trying to imagine
Speaker 1: living in life as a new mother while having every
Speaker 1: single thing that you do be examined and scrutinized. Is
Speaker 1: it just it must sound like hell to anyone, right,
Speaker 1: it has to sound like hell to anyone, and so
Speaker 1: and so Britney Spirits is tragic because she is this
Speaker 1: like person who had to bear the brunt of like
Speaker 1: every one moralizing around how celebrities should be respectable, presentable.
Speaker 1: But meanwhile she was being subjected to this insane media
Speaker 1: scrutiny around being like her anatomy and her her sexuality
Speaker 1: in the way that they were not comfortable with, and
Speaker 1: it was coming from this crazy, puritanical, patriarchal, misogynistic place.
Speaker 1: I know, it sounds like we're just throwing around all
Speaker 1: these adjectives, but it's like there, I think it's like
Speaker 1: it's important to um. I don't think it's a it's
Speaker 1: a chicken or the egg thing. I think like it
Speaker 1: starts at the fucking dirt bags who ask her about
Speaker 1: her tits when she's sucking eighteen years old. Truly believe that.
Speaker 1: And the reason why we're it sounds like we're throwing
Speaker 1: around these adjectives is because we now at this time
Speaker 1: have the vocabulary to talk about it this way. So
Speaker 1: when the issue comes up, we're gonna use that vocabulary
Speaker 1: and like like so people be on like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: arrive in a little late. Fuck you. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: fuck you, because at least we're having the conversation because
Speaker 1: it should be had, because this woman is in danger now,
Speaker 1: Like did you have like the vocabulary around mental health
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven when she was at her lowest?
Speaker 1: Like if you did, then great, if you like if
Speaker 1: you We are in this new sort of baseline. We've
Speaker 1: caught up to some new baseline and as a culture, thankfully,
Speaker 1: where we like understand each other when we throw words
Speaker 1: around like this. Back then, at whatever whatever age you were,
Speaker 1: there was no collective societal like awareness around is this
Speaker 1: woman's well being being considered? Exactly? And I mean, you
Speaker 1: know what, I was really happy that they brought up
Speaker 1: was the proximity to the Lewinsky scandal with all of
Speaker 1: this that was really I thought important in terms of
Speaker 1: points that were made by the documentary because no one
Speaker 1: was sticking up for Monica Lewinsky at that time. Let's
Speaker 1: really no one, and so what was happening with Britney
Speaker 1: Spears was in many ways like a more, at least
Speaker 1: on face value, lighthearted way of shaming a woman for
Speaker 1: for being sexual, because we had it in such a
Speaker 1: dark way with Monica Lewinsky, who was only you know,
Speaker 1: she was younger than and and got all of this,
Speaker 1: and it's really interesting to look at it in the
Speaker 1: in the frame of Britney Spears, because Britney Spears was like,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously bubble gum pop and she sort of
Speaker 1: got like what was weirdly enough like in comparison to
Speaker 1: Monica with Lewinsky, like a bubble gum pop version of
Speaker 1: misogyny where it wasn't like fuck this hore. Monica Lewinsky,
Speaker 1: she is a Heartlet look at her with her raven
Speaker 1: hair and her you know, she obviously stopped in there
Speaker 1: and she knew what she was doing. It was like
Speaker 1: a lighthearted misogyny of so what's up with your boobies?
Speaker 1: Like and and like then her sorry but going on
Speaker 1: SNL and the monologue joke being her tits moving around,
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like all these things and like
Speaker 1: you hear the late night jokes and it's it's weird.
Speaker 1: It's it's weird, and it would never happen now, So
Speaker 1: it is important to call it out now and and
Speaker 1: and understand that that is the root of all this,
Speaker 1: because when we talk about Britney Spears now, what we
Speaker 1: all have to understand is that we have been as
Speaker 1: a society conditioned to speak not just about women, but
Speaker 1: specifically about her in a certain way. And there is
Speaker 1: remnants of that when we talk about her now. So
Speaker 1: when you say the words Britney Spears to many, many
Speaker 1: millions of people, the first thing that comes to their
Speaker 1: mind is not the Free Britney movement or how the
Speaker 1: importantly music was to them, or the fact that she
Speaker 1: it'says she's crazy. It's that she drove around with a
Speaker 1: baby on her lab and oh my god, isn't she
Speaker 1: a terrible money saved the head And by the way,
Speaker 1: like watching that moment play out again in the dock
Speaker 1: reminded me of when A d was on the show
Speaker 1: and she was like, I've never related more to a
Speaker 1: celebrity than that moment, because because she was like, fuck
Speaker 1: you famous, bullshit, it's destroying who I am as a person,
Speaker 1: and you guys don't have access to the person that
Speaker 1: you thought I was ever again, And like, honestly, like
Speaker 1: it makes total sense, it makes total sense why she
Speaker 1: would and like her getting the umbrella, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: think I clapped at the screen. I was like, that's
Speaker 1: actually incredible that she did that, because funk that dude
Speaker 1: who they interviewed, Like I'm people who took issue with
Speaker 1: him being interviewed and included in the documentary, the videographer
Speaker 1: Slash Paparazzo, who like was there at that moment that
Speaker 1: like one of her like Paparazzi. Um, but like that
Speaker 1: fucking dude sucks. Who's just like no one if she did.
Speaker 1: She never said to leave me alone. And then they're like,
Speaker 1: what about all the times that we have on tape
Speaker 1: of her saying leave me alone? She just meant her
Speaker 1: that day scared out of here. It's truly, and honestly,
Speaker 1: that US Weekly photo editor too, I was like, you
Speaker 1: were and he like he had the smugness about him tour.
Speaker 1: It's like no, no, no no, no, no no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you were part of this apparatus that like destroyed this
Speaker 1: woman's life. Yes, to understand, it's exactly what you said.
Speaker 1: The overarching thing is like capitalism, Like there shouldn't be
Speaker 1: a system in place where incentivizes photography to the point
Speaker 1: of a million dollar picture being a thing in paparazzi culture,
Speaker 1: Like that should not be the like motivating engine behind
Speaker 1: all this, and yet here we are. But like you
Speaker 1: could have at least like stopped it there. I don't know, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean it's exactly what you said earlier, which
Speaker 1: is it's that individualism versus collectivism. Because now these guys
Speaker 1: clearly no, they clearly know that they were part of
Speaker 1: something that destroyed this woman or you know, cause her
Speaker 1: to be in a situation that she's in now. And
Speaker 1: they will do like Simone Biles level gymnastics to fucking
Speaker 1: absolve themselves of wrongdoing. It is crazy. They will stop
Speaker 1: at nothing. No one can just be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I was wrong, and I could try to justify it
Speaker 1: by saying it was a livelihood and it was a
Speaker 1: good livelihood. I thought we had a relationship that we
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't know I was harming. Whether or not
Speaker 1: that's true, obviously, they need to examine a lat about
Speaker 1: their lives if they believe that. But they should come
Speaker 1: out and say, you know what, I was wrong. And
Speaker 1: I think there are tons of people that should come
Speaker 1: out and say I was wrong. I think that we
Speaker 1: should have a statement from Justin timber Where is Justin
Speaker 1: Timberlake's ally ship for Britney Spears? Now after he made
Speaker 1: his solo career off of her back, which he did
Speaker 1: because let's not mint words here. He had a fine
Speaker 1: debut album. There's definitely some bops. Like Justin Timberlake is
Speaker 1: a talented man, He's multitalented, but that does not just
Speaker 1: make a pop superstar in an individual capacity. He needed
Speaker 1: a narrative, and his narrative was fuck Britney Spears, who
Speaker 1: cheated on me, and then he sold her out and
Speaker 1: said that she had been lying about her virginity when
Speaker 1: he went on the radio and said that he had
Speaker 1: sex with her. So that was a dirt bag move.
Speaker 1: And he is culturally aging very poorly because we haven't
Speaker 1: even talked about the Janet stuff. And yes, he did
Speaker 1: come out and say, you know, he did the bare
Speaker 1: minimum and said, I believe that women are especially black
Speaker 1: women are treated differently, and but he he did not
Speaker 1: do enough to like try to help, and he's certainly
Speaker 1: not saying or doing enough now for the woman who
Speaker 1: without him, he would not be where he's at. And
Speaker 1: it's fucked up. She Brittany did not need Justin. Justin
Speaker 1: needed Brittany that say that that is the real truth?
Speaker 1: What is what was that? Anyway? James? Anyway? James? And
Speaker 1: I what was that? What was that? Okay? Okay, James, James,
Speaker 1: we're sort of starting to talk about Wendy now the
Speaker 1: other documentary. We need to talk about Justin? Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is what are your thoughts? I mean, we need
Speaker 1: to talk about Justin And I just feel like I
Speaker 1: remember he was absolutely silent, And meanwhile, Janet was the
Speaker 1: one who was going out, was going to all these
Speaker 1: talk shows doing all I remember, like Janet Jackson went
Speaker 1: on fucking Conan like two weeks after the whole Super
Speaker 1: Bowl happened, and I was like, wait, why is even
Speaker 1: as a kid, I was like, this is not her responsibility.
Speaker 1: She does not have to clean up this mess when
Speaker 1: even as a kid, I was like, but we talked
Speaker 1: about it at school the next day. We were like,
Speaker 1: but justin tore away the breast plate, she ripped her
Speaker 1: clothes off of her, and it was like it was
Speaker 1: like part of the staging. But like he ripped his
Speaker 1: her clothes off of her and then he had to
Speaker 1: he didn't answer for it at all, Like when, like
Speaker 1: when did he even say the whole like black women
Speaker 1: are treated differently, Like like what twenty years after the fact,
Speaker 1: like fifteen or something he's quoted as saying, And I
Speaker 1: believe it happened right after. Like the fact of the
Speaker 1: matter is like she had her historic career ended basically
Speaker 1: like in the way that it was. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: talking about someone who's performing the Super Bowl, like that
Speaker 1: is the biggest moment of someone's career and very a
Speaker 1: handful of people would even be considered for that. And
Speaker 1: because this thing that it took two to tango to execute,
Speaker 1: she was completely ruined. And then that was like you know,
Speaker 1: on the way up for him, like he got huge.
Speaker 1: I mean there was a time where he was the biggest. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: she was wearing this like fantastic like Corser Tree whatever,
Speaker 1: and he is literally out there in a gray T shirt.
Speaker 1: I'm like a fucking dirt colored button down. Like I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but that I mean that is also illustrative of something
Speaker 1: where it's like men don't have men can show up
Speaker 1: looking like fucking shit at these events, these huge events
Speaker 1: are watched by tens and tens of millions of millions
Speaker 1: of people. Let's just say it. I mean, it's because
Speaker 1: he's attractive and white, he can do whatever he wants
Speaker 1: and straight forget it, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: like like this type of like sort of rat pack
Speaker 1: throwback thing he was doing. Let's also not ignore the
Speaker 1: fact that like not only did he make his career
Speaker 1: off the back of Britney Spears and that narrative, but
Speaker 1: like he was doing R and B music and like yeah,
Speaker 1: like you know, not to say that white people can't
Speaker 1: do R and B music, I don't believe that that's true,
Speaker 1: but it felt like it felt like it felt like
Speaker 1: a more palatable version of what black artists had been
Speaker 1: doing for decades at that point, and it was just like, hey,
Speaker 1: here's not to make this. This is a very lazy comparison.
Speaker 1: But here's like a La La Land jazz Ryan Gosling
Speaker 1: doing jazz version of I don't know. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like here's what you're saying, a white boy doing rat
Speaker 1: pack looks and then R and B sort of stylings
Speaker 1: in my in my music. I just think he is not.
Speaker 1: He is not. It's just funny now because he is
Speaker 1: so he's now for he's now like dad pop, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I can't stop the feeling.
Speaker 1: It's like you know what I mean. It's very sort
Speaker 1: of like mainstream like Ellen would play it um not
Speaker 1: cool um, but he it's just so funny to see
Speaker 1: him age poorly because now it's like if you actually
Speaker 1: look back and like really assess why he is as
Speaker 1: big as he is, Like it's not great, it's not
Speaker 1: the record is is really suspect. It's it's not good, um,
Speaker 1: and get a fucking jade roller, honey to lift the
Speaker 1: babs under the eyes. I'm sorry, it's well, it's just
Speaker 1: so funny because like it was never more but about too,
Speaker 1: because it was never more apparent than he was like
Speaker 1: such a white dude when he started aging is badly,
Speaker 1: Like oh, like the Man of the Woods thing like
Speaker 1: he had to do a Man of the Woods because
Speaker 1: he needed to justify looking like hell like like curdled.
Speaker 1: He truly looks curdled. Now, Okay, Hans says, there's some
Speaker 1: awful clips from the right Carpet where journalists are asking
Speaker 1: Jessica Biel questions and he keeps jumping into talk for her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he can't help himself. I mean that that that
Speaker 1: type of person has aged poorly, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying that, Like, Hey, aren't I like I remember even
Speaker 1: like at that. This is such a crazy example. Specific example,
Speaker 1: this is the two thousand ten Emmy's and Tina Fey
Speaker 1: had won an Emmy for thirty Rock for writing for
Speaker 1: Outstanding Writing in a Comedy Television Show, and Justin, for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, was presenting Justin. Timber looks at the Emmy's
Speaker 1: shirt he's presenting for Outstanding Writing in a Comedy Television Series.
Speaker 1: Tina fe wins, and he like presents her the awards
Speaker 1: and then set of and and as Tina walks up
Speaker 1: to the mic, he like but like jumps in and goes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you finish, like does the whole Kanye
Speaker 1: bit which is at that point a year old and
Speaker 1: even and as a college student. It was like what
Speaker 1: are you doing? Just let the woman And then Tina
Speaker 1: had to like do the whole like, oh, I'm Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift Taha, stop doing bits. Stopped doing bits. I mean
Speaker 1: j T as comedian was a whole thing. We we
Speaker 1: gave him too much power in that moment. We were like, oh, great,
Speaker 1: he's like doing all these funny sketches with like Andy
Speaker 1: Samberg and he's doing all these fun bits with like
Speaker 1: he's he's a great SNL host. But then like, you
Speaker 1: can't let the train run two wild on that one
Speaker 1: on on someone like that who has been affirmed his
Speaker 1: entire life. You gotta pump the brakes a little bit
Speaker 1: when you, like when he's in this new venture where
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, maybe calm down. You know who's also
Speaker 1: a great fucking SNL host, Brittney Spirit. I'm so happy
Speaker 1: you said it because I was then thinking the same thing.
Speaker 1: I was like, Brittany was a Gangbusters SNL host. It's
Speaker 1: because these Disney stars. I'm waiting for Zenda at a host.
Speaker 1: She'll be fantastic. Olivia Rodrigo some day. Yes, Uh, we
Speaker 1: need the star to come Olivia. But my thing is
Speaker 1: just like they're always like Christina was a great SNL
Speaker 1: Hostina was great, And it's just so funny because they're
Speaker 1: so pumped out to do that that it's like, yes,
Speaker 1: they were great, Can we stop acting like we should
Speaker 1: put him on that goddamn cast, Like no, it's fine.
Speaker 1: People can come and be great hosts. Um. But it
Speaker 1: actually reminded me Um when we were talking about Christina,
Speaker 1: like just to leave the j t of it all
Speaker 1: for a second, because you can't really talk about like
Speaker 1: Brittany at that time without talking about Christina. And I
Speaker 1: always feel like the treatment that was given to Brittany
Speaker 1: at the time when she was like number one and
Speaker 1: Christina was numbered too, just because of the way they
Speaker 1: came out like no shape. Actually like Christina had just
Speaker 1: as many, if not more, number one hits. That's actually true,
Speaker 1: But it felt like Christina had to go so far,
Speaker 1: like like she couldn't tow the line of like I'm
Speaker 1: coy with my sexuality. It's like very much here in present,
Speaker 1: like she had to be like I am my album
Speaker 1: is called stripped, I'm in fact filthy, I'm the the
Speaker 1: the music video for Dirty is about getting a yeast infection.
Speaker 1: It was like, I'm Phil C and this is me
Speaker 1: and I love it video. I've never seen anything please filthier,
Speaker 1: I mean that and the best Oh it's absolutely holds up.
Speaker 1: But the music video is truly like slimy, grimy sex
Speaker 1: and it's so hot and I've never seen anything like
Speaker 1: it since Noe. Like she did, she did fully full
Speaker 1: tilt go into I'm a fucking sexual being, yes, and
Speaker 1: I responded to it. I was younger, I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, like, wow, yeah, for sure, I'm
Speaker 1: out of the two of them. I always was like
Speaker 1: not not that I actually well not, that's that's true
Speaker 1: because when people were like you team Brittany, your team Christina,
Speaker 1: I was always like, I'm team ex Tina because I
Speaker 1: just always I really loved how hard she went for it.
Speaker 1: And I always loved the vocals. I mean, like, I'm
Speaker 1: someone that appreciates the vocals. But it was so interesting
Speaker 1: to think about Christina in watching this documentary because she
Speaker 1: she was so like not forced to, but it felt
Speaker 1: like she had to occupy a space that was that
Speaker 1: was something completely different from Brittany. And when Brittany was
Speaker 1: made to feel like self conscious or like her sexuality
Speaker 1: was something to be like, uh coy about Christina was like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's no way, and that kind of unfortunately for Brittany,
Speaker 1: like that was probably the more like self preserving way
Speaker 1: to go. But overall, Christina approached her sexuality in a
Speaker 1: way that was much much, much more confident. In Brittany's
Speaker 1: was I'm being sexy in spite of what people expected me.
Speaker 1: Christina is like, I don't care what people expect of me.
Speaker 1: This is not this is not pushing back against something.
Speaker 1: This is just who I am and who I want
Speaker 1: to be. Well both yes, absolutely, and both of them
Speaker 1: on those albums that came out at that at those times,
Speaker 1: like obviously Stripped is a huge is literally a response
Speaker 1: to media coverage of her, and so Slave for You
Speaker 1: feels like lyrically literally it explores I may come off
Speaker 1: a certain way, but I'm actually this and I'm sexual
Speaker 1: in this way, and it almost makes me feel like
Speaker 1: that makes sense that Slave for You came out before
Speaker 1: before Dirty, because if they were already thinking we're gonna
Speaker 1: take Christina in a more overtly sexual direction, and then
Speaker 1: Brittany came out with slave for you. They were like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, we gotta get the hens from the henhouse,
Speaker 1: we gotta get pigs in here, we gotta make sure
Speaker 1: that everyone's who can spit in someone else's mouth in
Speaker 1: the background, Like it was like it was like a
Speaker 1: Petri dish mama, and like because because they were in
Speaker 1: competition with each other. Meanwhile, you've got Jessica Simpsons over
Speaker 1: there being like Jesus Christ is one of my best friends,
Speaker 1: Like why my god. I just have to say there
Speaker 1: was a period of time even in college like two thousand,
Speaker 1: shoot that I mean, but it was end of high
Speaker 1: school into college, but two seven into like two leven
Speaker 1: when Them Fatale came out, that I was that Brittany
Speaker 1: was my number one even even before Gaga at the time.
Speaker 1: It's you know what's funny like that that through line
Speaker 1: is very followed. It's like Brittany Gaga for people, it's
Speaker 1: really funny. But even but even for me, it was like, um,
Speaker 1: it was just that like me having this loyalty to
Speaker 1: her because of all she had been through and I
Speaker 1: and I was following the conservatorship bullshit when Blackout came
Speaker 1: out because I was like, this is an incredible album.
Speaker 1: Like even in high school, I was like I would
Speaker 1: like turn my my friend Emily Nupper and I'd be like, wait,
Speaker 1: this album is incredible. Every song is amazing. What's going on?
Speaker 1: Isn't it so sad that she's going through what she's
Speaker 1: going through? She can't promote it. They give me more
Speaker 1: video is whatever. And then like that Summer Piece of
Speaker 1: Me came out or whatever, that Winter Piece Ofdney came
Speaker 1: out and then she won the v m A. But
Speaker 1: I was just following her life so closely. I was
Speaker 1: on the message boards. I would never post on them,
Speaker 1: but I was on Breathe on me dot com, which
Speaker 1: was like the main Brittany Spears like new so I
Speaker 1: was I'm telling you daily. I was following up on
Speaker 1: the Brittany news and everyone being like I remember like
Speaker 1: before Tale was announced, it was like all of all
Speaker 1: of like the insiders are saying, it's blackout two point out,
Speaker 1: it's blackout two point out, And that was like the like,
Speaker 1: if they're a fellow like Britney Spears fans out there
Speaker 1: of that time, who can confirm this, please like give
Speaker 1: a shout out on Twitter or something, because I remember
Speaker 1: when fem Fatale. Before the title came out, everyone was like,
Speaker 1: it's it's blackout two point out. It's like club bangers
Speaker 1: and honestly, fem Fatale amazing album. Till the world ends.
Speaker 1: Hold it against me. I want to go? I want
Speaker 1: to go is joke? Um big lace on that one
Speaker 1: leather and laces circus like like you understand, Like I
Speaker 1: don't think you know this that well about me? No,
Speaker 1: I know that you're a Brittany boy. I love Brittany.
Speaker 1: I love Brittany so much. What's your favorite music video? Goo,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think her. I think one of the
Speaker 1: best music videos of all time is Toxic Toxic. I
Speaker 1: think that Toxic is one of the best pop songs
Speaker 1: of all time. I think it's one of the best
Speaker 1: music videos of all time. I will never going, just
Speaker 1: going era by era. I think like I loved obviously,
Speaker 1: maybe one more Time is maybe one more Time and
Speaker 1: it is synonymous with pop perfection, and it is synonymous
Speaker 1: with the birth of Brittany and then moving forward, I
Speaker 1: loved Off, I did it again. I would listen to
Speaker 1: Lucky Time. I love Lucky In fact, when we used
Speaker 1: to do like Henry and I said at at Um
Speaker 1: at the two plus, I would sing Lucky all the time.
Speaker 1: I love Lucky, Lucky needs like a renaissance. Lucky needs
Speaker 1: a renaissance. That music video just so good her hair
Speaker 1: and that music video as Lucky, I remember, I remember
Speaker 1: that was when I was at the age it was
Speaker 1: nine years old. Radio Disney was the ship we didn't
Speaker 1: it was it was still terrestrial radio times and I
Speaker 1: would listen to that would I didn't know how to
Speaker 1: buy it offline where parents went and let yes by
Speaker 1: the CDs because they were like Britney Spears is too
Speaker 1: sexy even like growing up, but like if my sister
Speaker 1: snuck in or somehow convinced my parents to buy Baby
Speaker 1: Warm more time and did not have the second album,
Speaker 1: did not have Brittany um in the Zone we bought
Speaker 1: in China and then black Out I bought my because
Speaker 1: I was in high school by then. But anyway, yes, Lucky, okay,
Speaker 1: keep going so for then going forward, it's like my
Speaker 1: favorite album of her. I kind of didn't love Brittany
Speaker 1: the album like I just thought it was it was
Speaker 1: not the first two. But that being said, like there's
Speaker 1: great stuff on there, but my favorite Brittany album when
Speaker 1: I of that time of her in the Zone. Was
Speaker 1: in the Zone, I mean for me, I loved breathe
Speaker 1: on me. I loved my hand, touch of my hand,
Speaker 1: I loved I even love Outrageous. I loved Outrageous. I
Speaker 1: loved um what I got that boom boom, outrageous. Outrageous
Speaker 1: was supposed to be um the fourth single or the
Speaker 1: single the single that ended up getting cut, the single
Speaker 1: that is supposed to be out after every Time, which
Speaker 1: every time incredible. Oh my god? Wait did we used
Speaker 1: to say that when we were going so we would
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, yes, that's almost And obviously
Speaker 1: talk stickers on that one. And I loved that and
Speaker 1: also that every time every time, I'm telling you the
Speaker 1: music video for every Time, Brittany, it's it's the most artistic,
Speaker 1: like sort of like film music video, but she's giving
Speaker 1: you a really fucking good performance. Yeah. She was great.
Speaker 1: Stephen Dorf so hot in that video in the Zone.
Speaker 1: Incredible album top to bottom, truly, that was that was
Speaker 1: like Imperial phase Brittany to me. Yeah, and I'll never
Speaker 1: forget that cover with that like blue pink like it
Speaker 1: was like I just like and I also loved it
Speaker 1: because it felt like she was the most excited, Like
Speaker 1: I felt like she had taken the time to like,
Speaker 1: by the way, this is the Brittany episode and that
Speaker 1: might be the time this is um, but for me,
Speaker 1: it's like that esthetic, that confidence. And then when I
Speaker 1: remember the first single was obviously me against the music,
Speaker 1: which was her Madonna moment. And then that came with
Speaker 1: all of the bullshit with the v m as with
Speaker 1: them kissing and stuff, and again everyone threw everyone off,
Speaker 1: and like that was sort of like them understanding exactly
Speaker 1: what the media was gonna do when they gave me that,
Speaker 1: and who is the provocateur original than Madonna to like
Speaker 1: do that with Madonna, do that with Brittany and featuring
Speaker 1: Christina because she really got the shaft in terms of
Speaker 1: coverage on that one cut to Beyonce and justin they
Speaker 1: cut to Justice then, but then Beyonce the next day
Speaker 1: or that the that week in the media was like
Speaker 1: I am disgust. I was disgusted. I was disgusted, which
Speaker 1: we have to say. And also the fact that there
Speaker 1: talk about another one that's always been here beyond um.
Speaker 1: But anyway, like when that was all going down, like
Speaker 1: I remember me AGAs the music like I did not
Speaker 1: Love as a first single, and then when Toxic came out,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, get it. The James Bond strings
Speaker 1: the video. How many cuts there are in the video
Speaker 1: like that, It's like a comic book. That song I
Speaker 1: just remember felt like I felt like art in a way,
Speaker 1: everything if it felt like pop, songs like that felt
Speaker 1: like art. Also, I want to shout out the song
Speaker 1: don't let Me Be the Last to Know, a rare
Speaker 1: Brittany ballad, which I love, and she performed that on
Speaker 1: SNL Live she did. But don't let Me Don't let
Speaker 1: Me Be the Last to Know? Is that was a
Speaker 1: long time ago. That was upscited it again? That was
Speaker 1: Upsite did it again? It was not on in the Zone.
Speaker 1: But I didn't want to. I didn't want to be
Speaker 1: going through and not say that song because I do
Speaker 1: love that song. And then in the later years times
Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes the music video for sometimes when they're just
Speaker 1: all in white and just like the crop tops Mama,
Speaker 1: so beute. I mean, like what that like evokes a feeling,
Speaker 1: you know, absolutely like at the time you're like, this
Speaker 1: is what love is, and it kind of is a
Speaker 1: beautiful love song. Sometimes I run, sometimes I hide. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm scared of you. But all I really want it's
Speaker 1: a time bridge. Just hang around and you'll say there's
Speaker 1: nowhere around a be ma. Just I'm like so bad today.
Speaker 1: But anyway, um, that song was unreal And also you
Speaker 1: know what I think could be a hit right now?
Speaker 1: What Stronger? Oh yeah, I was stronger right now. I
Speaker 1: think it would kill. That is a sleigh and a half.
Speaker 1: I mean Peppermint, Like with the reveal of Season nine finale,
Speaker 1: that was stronger right, like unbelievable, like it matched, it
Speaker 1: almost matched. I would say that like like it's like emotions,
Speaker 1: like so emotional with with like but I'm saying like
Speaker 1: they didn't match completely. But it's like in terms of
Speaker 1: like huge pop songs like that like are built for
Speaker 1: moments like that, like oh my god, it doesn't get
Speaker 1: it done, and it's it's like you would you would
Speaker 1: forgive an album that only had that one hit on it,
Speaker 1: like but it was like it was, yeah, oh my god,
Speaker 1: unreal and then moving through time like Blackout. Blackout is
Speaker 1: so great, I mean like for me, like I think honestly,
Speaker 1: one of her better albums of all time is Glory
Speaker 1: which I just came the production on Glory. Yeah, why
Speaker 1: you laugh. I feel like Glory, between you and me
Speaker 1: and our friends has been this like punchline but actually
Speaker 1: not a joke. We like all keyed into do You
Speaker 1: Want to Come Over? Recently one of the most important
Speaker 1: songs of all time. It's actually one of the most
Speaker 1: important songs of all time, and I dare I challenged
Speaker 1: the reader right now to put on do you Want
Speaker 1: to Come Over? By Britney Spears from the album Glory,
Speaker 1: her latest most recent album that came out like what
Speaker 1: like five years ago now it came out. There was
Speaker 1: a re release that came out right, I'm sure because
Speaker 1: it was like a money grab because she was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not making music anymore until my dad's off the conservativeship.
Speaker 1: They're like, well, we still gotta make money somehow. Anyway, Um,
Speaker 1: do you want to come over? Put that on? And
Speaker 1: if it and walk around in a circle and if
Speaker 1: you are not like skipping and getting your fucking life
Speaker 1: to that song, honey, you ain't human. They need to
Speaker 1: do that as a lip sync on drag Race and
Speaker 1: you know who I think would have killed it, like
Speaker 1: for some reason. No, the entire well yeah, because she
Speaker 1: would kill everything. But the entire of Season ten, I
Speaker 1: was like, I hope we finally get do you want to?
Speaker 1: Do you want to Come Over? The lips sting so
Speaker 1: Aquaria could do it because I think Aquario would kill
Speaker 1: do you want to Come Over? And I bet she
Speaker 1: knows it? And and on that album, I also really
Speaker 1: like this single which was make Me, and also this
Speaker 1: which which nick Me and just if you literally just
Speaker 1: like smoke a little weed, lay on your back, like
Speaker 1: and just put on the album Glory, just starting with
Speaker 1: track one invitation, like the production will fuck you up
Speaker 1: if you get some good here, good good headphones and
Speaker 1: play the album. It's really good. And she is right there,
Speaker 1: she's she's there. And Slumber Party with to Nach excellent,
Speaker 1: excellent and music video actually too. Yeah, And I do
Speaker 1: love Private Show. Private Show is fun. It's it's so
Speaker 1: like it's but slumber Party with Tona, Like it's reminiscent
Speaker 1: of the Boys music video where they're just it's a
Speaker 1: long table and like they're both like crawling towards each other.
Speaker 1: It's like really fun. Um Circus I think is fantastic.
Speaker 1: Circus is amazing. What's her favorites on Circus because there's
Speaker 1: some butt if you see gave me. I'm so glad
Speaker 1: they did it on drag Race this season did not
Speaker 1: only really really really fucking delivered. I think that is
Speaker 1: one of her underappreciated music videos where she is kind
Speaker 1: of giving you corio. It's the most Corey that she'd
Speaker 1: given more Corea in that that she'd given the Circus video,
Speaker 1: I would say. And she's doing like fun corea and
Speaker 1: it's just her like in this like gross house in
Speaker 1: the morning after a party, but she's like giving you
Speaker 1: fun little moments, and then she gets dressed and like
Speaker 1: turns into a housewife. And then there's like little like
Speaker 1: easter eggs where like her daughter, and the end of
Speaker 1: the music video is in the baby warmer time outfit,
Speaker 1: and it's like she like has to present herself as
Speaker 1: this like all American woman and while all the paparazzi
Speaker 1: are are like flashing her cameras outside and she's and
Speaker 1: she's just like she's giving you a really good performance
Speaker 1: star quality, like you can teach this, Like yeah, she's
Speaker 1: one of the best music video music video pop star actresses.
Speaker 1: Like she is up there. So she's such a star.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's a star. She's so watchable. That album has.
Speaker 1: One of my favorites that doesn't get talked about enough
Speaker 1: is Kill the Lights and also Killed Yeah, Lace and
Speaker 1: Leather and I love um uh. Blur is great. I
Speaker 1: can't remember what I did last night and everything everything
Speaker 1: is do there and then Radar the only song to
Speaker 1: beyond two different albums. Yeah, do you do you have
Speaker 1: any information on why that was? I think they wanted
Speaker 1: to like make that like a full single from black Out,
Speaker 1: but they were like, this song is too fucking good,
Speaker 1: you have to put it on circuits. And then they
Speaker 1: shot a music videofore where again Britney's turns into really
Speaker 1: good music video performance, like during the bridge where she's
Speaker 1: just like, you know, she's she's just at like a
Speaker 1: Derby or something, and she's in this giant sun hat
Speaker 1: and she is like really giving it to you, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, what a star? What a star? Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: this it really is the Brittany episode. Okay, moving on,
Speaker 1: we completely we completely did not even about Brittany Jean,
Speaker 1: which has I'm not skipping it, but I feel like
Speaker 1: we talked about Glory and I just wanted to say
Speaker 1: that and I know you love this song even though
Speaker 1: it's like perfume. So wait realtical and by draw anata,
Speaker 1: have you a little bit to think? You about me?
Speaker 1: We need Patty Harrison to cover it. Yes, it is
Speaker 1: a Patty hair. If she doesn't cover it, she's done.
Speaker 1: She's done. I mean, it's not it's not a great album.
Speaker 1: It's probably her weakest between Brittany Jean and Pemptal was
Speaker 1: when she did um uh Scream and Chot with William
Speaker 1: which is truly like a camp classic to me. But
Speaker 1: it's just her in a Britta in a crazy British accent,
Speaker 1: chanting in the set, and this whole era was weird.
Speaker 1: This is when she went on X Factor. This is
Speaker 1: when I started to feel like, what is going on?
Speaker 1: But she was. It seemed like she was having fun.
Speaker 1: I seem like she was having fun on X Factor.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Till the world ends. There is a
Speaker 1: different cut of the music video where it's the choreography
Speaker 1: at it the choreography cut, and it's phenomenal. I might
Speaker 1: launch it tonight. Oh my god, it's true. That is
Speaker 1: an incredible fucking song. Brittany is one of those ones
Speaker 1: where you could fall into a YouTube wormhole and just
Speaker 1: park it. Just park it, because let let the playlist
Speaker 1: guide you, let the automated playlist guide you to park it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really truly, I mean not, I mean even Brittany
Speaker 1: Gean is like, if that's the weakest album, which I
Speaker 1: would agree, it still has songs that I really enjoy.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, well okay, and then Feminitile this
Speaker 1: is the last thing I'll mention them. Fatale has two
Speaker 1: songs that are from um, the producers of Toxic. She
Speaker 1: had like not worked with them until them fatal again, Um,
Speaker 1: how I Roll and Tripped Your Heart like excellent songs
Speaker 1: that are just like beautifully produced, really like wonderful, wonderful,
Speaker 1: wonderful songwriting. I don't know, I just like and how
Speaker 1: so good, so good. Okay, we can we can move
Speaker 1: on now and talk about miss Wendy Williams Shall It's
Speaker 1: it's it's just such a it's such a downgrade because
Speaker 1: it's you know what, it's it's almost interesting that they
Speaker 1: both had documentaries come out. I mean, Britty had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with hers obviously, and Wendy executive produced hers,
Speaker 1: which should should mean you watch it with a raised
Speaker 1: eyebrow because the subject is also the ep um, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, definitely a vibe. But it's like you're talking
Speaker 1: about someone who has been the focus of so much
Speaker 1: bloyd gossip and paparazzi minded, you know, the celebrity consumption
Speaker 1: of it all, and then literally someone who rose to
Speaker 1: the traitor doing that. I mean, we're not over if here.
Speaker 1: Being like, Wendy Williams is an incredible person. She is
Speaker 1: one of the best memes of all time. Okay, I
Speaker 1: mean she's she's given us a lot, but she's also
Speaker 1: given us a lot of like truly soul crushing, lye
Speaker 1: dark moments where she'll side with she'll side with sexual
Speaker 1: predators or whatever, or she'll like blame victims of assault
Speaker 1: when meanwhile she is also herself a victim of assault.
Speaker 1: It's it's just twitch, I mean, but this is like
Speaker 1: the cycle of assault sometimes is that Like it just
Speaker 1: it like makes you think that, well, other people should
Speaker 1: also go through the same thing I went through in
Speaker 1: some cases. I don't want to speak on Wendy's behalf,
Speaker 1: but it feels like there's something being cycled through when
Speaker 1: she's talking about someone else who is a victim of Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm always nervous watching her, not because I
Speaker 1: feel like not because I feel like, um, I'm nervous
Speaker 1: about her delivering anything or I've never, never, never worried
Speaker 1: about her landing the plane. But I just feel like
Speaker 1: she's so often wrong, She's so often incorrect, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I am not out here saying that I'm like the
Speaker 1: fucking bearer of the truth all the time, Like I've
Speaker 1: been wrong on this podcast all the time. But but
Speaker 1: she is, like she's got such a huge platform, and
Speaker 1: like the way that her audience will just agree with
Speaker 1: everything she says. I'm like, there, this is a tough
Speaker 1: this is a weird thing because she does hold some
Speaker 1: odd positions and she is problematic a ton of the time,
Speaker 1: and so she'll say this ship and the whole audience
Speaker 1: will just be like yeah, yeah, absolutely, and you're like,
Speaker 1: wait what. And I do respect her because I think
Speaker 1: you have to respect someone who is created an empire
Speaker 1: like this. And I don't know, like, has she been
Speaker 1: harmful towards people? Yes, um, I think that I think probably.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not in her head, but I
Speaker 1: would imagine a lot of the Whitney stuff probably keeps
Speaker 1: her up at night. I don't know that even I
Speaker 1: don't know that it does. I think she she was
Speaker 1: very upset when when Whitney passed. Of course she was
Speaker 1: upset when Whitney passed. But like she she kind of
Speaker 1: in the documentary even like uses that as a point
Speaker 1: of like. That was one of my proudest moments was
Speaker 1: that Whitney interview when we caught her on we we
Speaker 1: got her on tape when she didn't know she was
Speaker 1: being on tape, and like we had Wendy like talk
Speaker 1: about crack and talks. It was just like, oh, wait,
Speaker 1: you might have some remorse about the way that you
Speaker 1: specifically like broke some seals on the one on the
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston like conversation and the zygeis. But you also
Speaker 1: are brandishing that as like a point of pride. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're saying that it was an achievement that as a
Speaker 1: result of your involvement with her, people found out about
Speaker 1: her drug abuse. Yeah, it's I don't know, it's tough.
Speaker 1: It's tough. You don't know about that one. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: gonna have to think on that one. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to think on that one gonna you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: consider that one. Did you end up watching the biopic?
Speaker 1: I didn't. I couldn't really get through the biopic, although
Speaker 1: um uh, that actress is phenomenal. She was great, and
Speaker 1: so I think you watched the documentary and I watched
Speaker 1: the biopic, and that was the way Lost Cold was
Speaker 1: going to cover this. Um. I did try to watch
Speaker 1: the documentary, but I could not take any more Wendy
Speaker 1: Williams content after the biopic. It was just too much. Um.
Speaker 1: Sierra Payton, who plays Wendy Say, does a great performance.
Speaker 1: Like she she manages to be grounded. And this is
Speaker 1: my take on the whole Wendy of it all. It's
Speaker 1: like with the biopic, it's like she's gone through so
Speaker 1: much real shit, like she was raped. Um, her husband
Speaker 1: was like you know, philanthroper, Like you know, it was
Speaker 1: not easy for her professionally. You know, she like one
Speaker 1: thing after another, and it's so it's so funny to
Speaker 1: watch all this real ship happened to her because she
Speaker 1: is such a caricature. She's like a heightened cartoon. It's
Speaker 1: like watching a biopic about bugs Bunny. You find out
Speaker 1: about his bankruptcy. You know what I mean. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's like I'm with this person, and thank god they
Speaker 1: got a great actress to play her because she was
Speaker 1: able to ground it. Because it's literally like watching a
Speaker 1: biopick of a cartoon, but she's able to ground it.
Speaker 1: I mean, but are we like venturing into dangerous territory
Speaker 1: by like dehumanizing Wendy Williams. The person may being like
Speaker 1: she's a cartoon character when we're like we should like
Speaker 1: we should we did that to Brittany. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's the same. I'm not I'm not drawing that Equivalencyeve,
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like, are we are we justifying
Speaker 1: any sort of like treatment or conversation around Wendy Williams.
Speaker 1: I think that Wendy Williams knows that she has created
Speaker 1: a persona which is how you do it, which is
Speaker 1: all these things, which is you know, and she she you.
Speaker 1: They show in the bio biopic like she went out
Speaker 1: of her way to get huge tits. She wanted to
Speaker 1: walk into every room and everyone say, there's Wendy. Like
Speaker 1: she created a larger than life persona and she embodies
Speaker 1: that all the time. So when I say it's like
Speaker 1: watching a biopic of a cartoon character, what I truly
Speaker 1: only mean is her persona is so good, yes and
Speaker 1: so and so much of what she is known for
Speaker 1: is like I mean, And this is another thing. It's
Speaker 1: like when you when everyone saw her in the Statue
Speaker 1: of Liberty Guiche and she fainted. If you if, if
Speaker 1: you're as the viewer, if your only thing you thought was, oh,
Speaker 1: I hope she's okay. Good for you, bitch, but I
Speaker 1: guarantee you left, guarantee you left. And if you didn't
Speaker 1: and you're in denial about it personally, for me, you
Speaker 1: can go fund yourself because I think you're a liar
Speaker 1: and I think that you're trying to just say about
Speaker 1: the fray re the whole well, I never thought it
Speaker 1: was funny what they did to Brittany shut up, like genuinely,
Speaker 1: because there is comedy when it comes to Wendy Williams's
Speaker 1: state of being, like she is larger than life on purpose.
Speaker 1: It's it's of her own mad like that. Yeah, I don't, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. I mean, like her like lighting a slim
Speaker 1: gym on fire and like having that be like a
Speaker 1: like a recurring bit where she's like, I'm a foodie
Speaker 1: and she's eating like a slim gym like I like
Speaker 1: early days Wendy Williams. I was like, I'm with this person.
Speaker 1: She is great and yes, she's such an icon of
Speaker 1: the radio, and she has all these amazing interviews and
Speaker 1: she's like the Howard stern of of like she's like
Speaker 1: a female Howard stern Um. And then on the show
Speaker 1: it really became and I'm so glad and they they
Speaker 1: actually touched on this moment in the documentary. The omar
Speaker 1: Rosa interview was like the first or second week of
Speaker 1: the show, and like you've seen most of us, I
Speaker 1: have seen it. They were together, they were great together,
Speaker 1: but but they touched on a moment where like a
Speaker 1: switch in Wendy flips when omar Rosa says, you know,
Speaker 1: it's interesting seeing you on TV. I feel like you've
Speaker 1: lost a little bit of your edge, but maybe this
Speaker 1: is a new Endy. I like that. I like that,
Speaker 1: and the people in the orange like boom, boo boo,
Speaker 1: and then they cut back to Wendy in her face
Speaker 1: drops and I think from that moment on she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be like Ellen, I'm gonna be a
Speaker 1: fucking I'm gonna I'm gonna do what I was doing
Speaker 1: on radio and just be this like persona that people
Speaker 1: will have a strong reaction to one we or the other,
Speaker 1: because that's how she that's her bread and butter. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: And then from then on, like the ship took off
Speaker 1: and and like yeah, I mean her like she she
Speaker 1: did become this character. So okay, I I I understand
Speaker 1: what you're saying about the bugs bunny thing, and yes
Speaker 1: she is like it is like it is true and
Speaker 1: like her being in a statue of Liberty costume and
Speaker 1: fainting is on some level, she has to love that
Speaker 1: she featured it in the film in the bio. It
Speaker 1: was literally the clip that they showed to like promote
Speaker 1: the movie. She knows, she knows that there's something about
Speaker 1: this that is unusual and not and there's something comedic
Speaker 1: about it. Like I've seen interviews with her promoting it
Speaker 1: where they'll be like showing where here's a clip from
Speaker 1: the thing before we do the interview, and it's that
Speaker 1: clip and then they go, please welcome Wendy Williams and
Speaker 1: she comes out smile on her fucking face, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, she knows she's an EP of the movie,
Speaker 1: Like again, she is in control of this product. Well,
Speaker 1: it's it's that that is the thing though. It's like
Speaker 1: at that point, you are your own PR agency, you
Speaker 1: are your own PR person, and like there's a skill
Speaker 1: to that, and there's something to a gain from that,
Speaker 1: but there's also that's also scary. That's also like, oh heay,
Speaker 1: You're you're selling yourself as the product of something which
Speaker 1: is as as just a product. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, but we love Wendy so much. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's given us, she's got a point, she's a point,
Speaker 1: she's an icon, she's a legend, and she is the moment.
Speaker 1: Now come on now. And the thing is too it's
Speaker 1: like I understand, I say, like I'm a little bit
Speaker 1: nervous to watch it because because I'm always wondering what
Speaker 1: she's gonna say. That's kind of the point, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, no one's going to watch Wendy
Speaker 1: Williams for the news. You're gonna watch many ways because
Speaker 1: you want to know what Wendy has to say about
Speaker 1: items in the news. Like you don't look you don't
Speaker 1: watch how topics to understand really what's happening with She's down.
Speaker 1: She's giving it later. She's not vox dot com. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's giving a take. She is a commentator in a way.
Speaker 1: And you know, we did her interview at vultrafs when
Speaker 1: Vultures honored her, and she was very quiet, very quiet,
Speaker 1: very just very not closed off, but she was just
Speaker 1: like kind of like just just maybe just like a
Speaker 1: little disoriented that day. I don't know, I mean that
Speaker 1: was right in the middle of the Kevin and I
Speaker 1: thought about that, um in watching the stuff. I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: this was really right around the time when Bowen and
Speaker 1: I met her, because that was and then like all
Speaker 1: that ship went down in the fall or the summer
Speaker 1: in the fall of that year. Yeah, and it was
Speaker 1: just like and she I don't think she mentioned Kevin Hunter,
Speaker 1: but she mentioned Kevin Jr. Her son um and how
Speaker 1: much she loves him, and like it was really kind
Speaker 1: of it was kind of a snooze of an interview.
Speaker 1: And that's probably on us because we didn't ask you
Speaker 1: the right questions maybe, but um, well we were, I
Speaker 1: mean we were kind of it was it wasn't like
Speaker 1: you can ask any questions you want. Of course it
Speaker 1: had Oh yeah, because we did. We did. It was vetted,
Speaker 1: you know. Wasn't like Matt and bow and interviewing her.
Speaker 1: It was like us for Vulture interviewing her. It's just
Speaker 1: so funny to think I remember that moment and don't
Speaker 1: to go back to the Britney documentary, but remember that
Speaker 1: moment when Felicia like the assistant, such a fun character,
Speaker 1: such a fun lady, sweet woman. I remember her from
Speaker 1: back in the day the special. I remember her on
Speaker 1: like Brittany driven right right right, but like she holds
Speaker 1: up that photo of the two of them in Times Square,
Speaker 1: like when like when like before, like like when Brittany
Speaker 1: was like signing the record deal. It's like, oh, like
Speaker 1: to get like like I haven't seen like a Brittany
Speaker 1: photo of her as a teenager before fame, just being
Speaker 1: like a regular girl, a tourist in New York City.
Speaker 1: She's a girl from Louisiana coming to visit the big city.
Speaker 1: And I was like, God, there's something so like just
Speaker 1: so precious and like lovely and like, oh God, like
Speaker 1: I like I wish that little girl like was was
Speaker 1: in I'm sure she is and there she was still
Speaker 1: but it's like, oh, like, this poor girl is in
Speaker 1: for the right of her fucking life. It's like early
Speaker 1: often the word that gets used for Brittany, and I
Speaker 1: think we even used it in this episode as the
Speaker 1: word tragic, And I never like to say that word
Speaker 1: when it comes to her or anyone, because there is
Speaker 1: a finality in the word tragedy, because that, by definition
Speaker 1: of tragedy is something that ends in a death, and
Speaker 1: I feel like or ends poorly. And it's just like,
Speaker 1: we don't know how the Brittany story is gonna end.
Speaker 1: And you know, uh, it feels lame and weird to
Speaker 1: say this, but you hope that at least as a
Speaker 1: result of this documentary, more people can become aware of
Speaker 1: the situation that she's in and that we do need
Speaker 1: to pashtag free Brittany, and that this is a serious
Speaker 1: problem and we do owe this woman that attention and
Speaker 1: that care because she did give us so much and
Speaker 1: she would still be if she felt safe to do that.
Speaker 1: And um uh you see, like even on Instagram, like
Speaker 1: she still has the desire too fun, be fun and
Speaker 1: play and entertain and I just hope that this is
Speaker 1: not um the chapter that like is one of the
Speaker 1: final ones when it comes to Brittany not saying anything
Speaker 1: is going to happen to her, but that she wouldn't
Speaker 1: perform anymore because I do believe she wants to, and
Speaker 1: I just really want the stuff to get figured out,
Speaker 1: and I wish the best for her, and I I
Speaker 1: send all my love as I'm sure you do as well.
Speaker 1: I send my love. I send my love. And also, wait,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, it's so funny because we're
Speaker 1: talking about the Vulture thing, like after you got the
Speaker 1: job at us to know, like I kind of kept
Speaker 1: doing that. I went to Sundance to cover it for
Speaker 1: Vulture and you know who I met there? Who? Armie Hammer?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, girl, what have we There's nothing that
Speaker 1: we can there's nothing for us to really add the
Speaker 1: to the Army Hammer conversation. Well, no, what do you
Speaker 1: add on to it? There's there's nothing to add on
Speaker 1: to it but Armie Hammer. I remember the Social Network
Speaker 1: had just come out. And then I went home for
Speaker 1: Christmas that that year and I was in Aurora, Colorado,
Speaker 1: and I went to the rec center where my parents
Speaker 1: have a membership, to go like work out and no
Speaker 1: one was there, but there was a guy in a
Speaker 1: baseball cap and this like thin beautiful woman doing a
Speaker 1: little tour walk around with like the manager of the
Speaker 1: place where someone and I look over it was like
Speaker 1: that's that guy from the Social network who played the
Speaker 1: Winkle Boss twins. Wow, And I was like, wait, but
Speaker 1: what would he be doing in suburban Denver, Like he's
Speaker 1: not from And I literally googled him while he was
Speaker 1: standing like twenty ft away from me. This is such
Speaker 1: a boring story, but I just like googled him when
Speaker 1: he will he was like twenty ft away from and
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, you know, he's from like he's like
Speaker 1: from like this, he's this like he was born into
Speaker 1: wealth and he's from like this part of the country,
Speaker 1: and he's he wouldn't be here. But then, like I
Speaker 1: later figured out he was dating this woman who was
Speaker 1: from my hometown, and I'm like, wow, like what what
Speaker 1: are those what's that story? Now? I'm like I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about at all through the lens of his all of
Speaker 1: his past lives, because I also remember that BuzzFeed article
Speaker 1: that came out Busfeed News article that came out that
Speaker 1: was kind of this opinion piece on like it was
Speaker 1: in an opinion piece. It was just this feature, why
Speaker 1: have we given this man so many chances? This is
Speaker 1: when calling me this was wh't calling me by your name?
Speaker 1: Came out and I was talking about like the lone
Speaker 1: Ranger and it was talking about like he kind of
Speaker 1: kept flopping. Yeah, he kept flopping over and over and
Speaker 1: over again. And it was just like, what is Hollywood's
Speaker 1: obsession with? Well, he's hot, this white, and he already
Speaker 1: was incredibly rich, right, and the article like accounts for
Speaker 1: all that, but it was also like, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the star quality. It's like he's not a box
Speaker 1: office to draw, like, he's not like and Hans is
Speaker 1: saying Hollywood is desperate for a leading man, same reason.
Speaker 1: Sam Worthington had a bunch of roles in a row. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: like who cares. But it's like it's these people who
Speaker 1: are like, wait, but you actually no one gives a
Speaker 1: shit about you, because otherwise we'd be going to the movies.
Speaker 1: You're not like, yeah, you can't really make someone a sensation, Like,
Speaker 1: yes you can. You can shove them in front of
Speaker 1: everyone's faces again and again and again. But it's like
Speaker 1: with Britney Spears. It's like Britney Spears was a born
Speaker 1: star like she and and talk about coming from no advantage,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. She was born in Ka, Louisiana,
Speaker 1: which is tiny, and it was by sheer talent that
Speaker 1: she made as far as she made it. Meanwhile, like,
Speaker 1: and this is something I'm wanna say that's maybe a
Speaker 1: little controversial, but old money are into weird ship. Like
Speaker 1: That's why I wasn't surprised at all. Want to heard
Speaker 1: about this kind of room. It feels insane to say
Speaker 1: out loud, but I was like, well, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like any old institution, Like that's weird ship there. Like
Speaker 1: if you were going to tell me, hey, just so
Speaker 1: you know, one of the probably top twenty actors in
Speaker 1: Hollywood is accountable. If I'm looking at a list, I
Speaker 1: would pick him knowing nothing. And then when he is
Speaker 1: only an alleged accountable at this point, and I wish
Speaker 1: the episode could be titled Alleged Acountable, but it can't. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: We're we're not gonna make it. We're not going to
Speaker 1: just deed title. Just just give the title from Han says,
Speaker 1: I'd go with Robby mollock. Wow, I don't know about
Speaker 1: that guy. He's more vampire to me than cantable. That
Speaker 1: makes sense, Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. Also good point. It's good point.
Speaker 1: Hans has good point. It was so here crazy to
Speaker 1: hear about that. And apparently this week there's more coming
Speaker 1: out and like w M E and his publicist dropped him.
Speaker 1: This all sort of broke out on like doma, like Instagram, tabloids.
Speaker 1: But now there's actual reporting that's going to come out
Speaker 1: over it, like with like interviews and like sources and
Speaker 1: all this stuff where it's going to be like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be this is gonna be like you know,
Speaker 1: it's like when terrible example, but it's like when the
Speaker 1: Luis d k thing dropped on New York Time, the
Speaker 1: New York Times it was and that was that's what
Speaker 1: made it like official gave a validity, right, and gave
Speaker 1: it validity. I think if that's what's about to happen,
Speaker 1: we're about to have that so and we should say
Speaker 1: that hasn't happened yet. And also it is a little
Speaker 1: odd for us. In the same episode, we're like they
Speaker 1: were so unfair to Brittany to be like, well, we
Speaker 1: heard this, we heard Army Hammer is accountable, but the
Speaker 1: fact is we haven't heard the case. And I was honestly,
Speaker 1: here's what I'd say. Do not smoke weed and then
Speaker 1: Twitter search Army Hammer. You will you will feel crazy
Speaker 1: because what they're started to say now is truly dark
Speaker 1: and the d m s are really crazy. Before we
Speaker 1: move into um, well we'll Actually it's helpful to think
Speaker 1: about what the tabloid culture quote unquote is now and
Speaker 1: who is most susceptible to that culture in the way
Speaker 1: that Brittany was most susceptible to that, to the culture
Speaker 1: as it was back then. The kind of person who
Speaker 1: is most susceptible to that culture now, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it is someone like Army Hammer, but like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think of, like who is whose career is
Speaker 1: at a point where they are the most vulnerable to
Speaker 1: be sort of like exploited by like DM screenshots and
Speaker 1: ship like that. Well literally, white straight man would say them,
Speaker 1: and that's how you know it's all funked up. It's
Speaker 1: because they'd be like to get us right now, and
Speaker 1: that's like Army havenerd be like I'm not responding to
Speaker 1: these bullshit claims. Mean while it's like no, dude, like
Speaker 1: there's like verifiable stuff coming out of you, you're obviously
Speaker 1: a freak, Like yeah. But but they answer to your
Speaker 1: question is it's always going to be women because think
Speaker 1: about what they did to Jennifer Lawrence, Like god, I
Speaker 1: could like that was crazy, Like when when when that
Speaker 1: all happened? Anyway, Um, I wanted to ask you before
Speaker 1: we go into I don't think so, honey, what did
Speaker 1: you think of a big game? Honey? I thought the
Speaker 1: big game was kind of a kind of a true done,
Speaker 1: like we need to cool it with. I can't believe
Speaker 1: the amount of people on my on my on my
Speaker 1: instance who are like going crazy for Tom Brady. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you guys know his deal, right, Okay, that's I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, should do it all right, we'll do
Speaker 1: it now, We'll do now. This is I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: This is where we take one minute to go off
Speaker 1: on something in culture and it's just something that's really
Speaker 1: chopping our ass. And Matt, you have something right, I
Speaker 1: can confirm that I do. This is Matt Rodgers, I
Speaker 1: don't think so hony as time starts now, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, Tom Brady. I am so fucking bored
Speaker 1: of hearing about this man. It's been decades. We need
Speaker 1: to move the funk on from this guy, who is
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but not even as hot as Shrek. If
Speaker 1: you put Shrek next to Tom Brady, I'm picking Shrek.
Speaker 1: And also in the before photos the guy looks like
Speaker 1: a lot like Shrek. I don't think so, honey, that
Speaker 1: you are like, oh, I don't endorse Trump. I didn't
Speaker 1: vote for Trump. I'm just a friend of Trump's. What
Speaker 1: the fund does that say about dirt? You think it's
Speaker 1: gonna make me feel better, sweetheart that you didn't outwardly
Speaker 1: support Trump. You only are his close friend. Um, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: That's a red fucking flag and Gizel your wife had
Speaker 1: to be like, don't talk about politics, just shut the
Speaker 1: funk up. Fifty the most out of touch person in
Speaker 1: the world. I'm also so fucking sick of hearing about him.
Speaker 1: And now he's like fucking playing for the Buccaneers, which,
Speaker 1: by the work play is the gay or work for pirates.
Speaker 1: He was a New England Patriots disgusting. I'm so done
Speaker 1: with this type of person. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: And that's one minute, thank you. Shrek is hotter, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Shrek is way hotter than Tom Brady. And honestly, it's like,
Speaker 1: by the way, if there's a hot guy on the Buccaneers,
Speaker 1: it's Gronk, okay, And I don't want to hear about
Speaker 1: anyone that's not Gronk because actually, whenever I think of Gronk,
Speaker 1: I do immediately get hard. And that's something that alexamine.
Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is like Tom Brady
Speaker 1: is such a massive celebrity and people are so fucking
Speaker 1: obsessed with him, and it's like, wait, hold on a second, no,
Speaker 1: these people, these people are gross. It's it's on the
Speaker 1: chiefs that you have actual stars. Mahomes is a star,
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey is a star and a verified nice person.
Speaker 1: Let's just say this, Um, here's who will hold the who.
Speaker 1: Here's who will stand the test of time, Colin Kaepernick.
Speaker 1: Here's who will not Tom Brady. He's gonna age like
Speaker 1: Justin Timberlake. And also, I can't believe that people are
Speaker 1: just looking the other way with the trump of it
Speaker 1: all with him, because well, being a friend of Trump's
Speaker 1: is worse than anything else, Like being if you're a
Speaker 1: friend of Trump, that is worse than being a supporter.
Speaker 1: That is worse than being like if you're in his
Speaker 1: inner circle. This means a million dark things. Also, he
Speaker 1: definitely has endorsed Republican candidates over Democratic candidates. And he's
Speaker 1: also threatened to run for Senate before. He's called it
Speaker 1: one of his grand aspirations. And that cannot happen, but
Speaker 1: you know it will. You know he's on some quman
Speaker 1: on ship. Doug Bam says, I don't like him personally,
Speaker 1: but he is the greatest quarterback of the shop. Doug, No,
Speaker 1: we don't care. We don't care to chime in on this.
Speaker 1: We're not We're not talking about the sport of football here.
Speaker 1: Your character as a person, Mama, her name was Doug Flutey,
Speaker 1: Troy know it. Patrick Mahomes, You don't know anything about football.
Speaker 1: But I like Harck Holmes um that that was probably
Speaker 1: the extent of football players that I know. I know
Speaker 1: who Ticky Barber is, but he's not a quarterback. I
Speaker 1: believe he was a wide receiver. Um. And of course,
Speaker 1: Dean Sanders famously played uh Major League baseball and in
Speaker 1: the National football Um. But yeah, I couldn't fucking believe
Speaker 1: anything about the Super Bowl really, how packed the stands were.
Speaker 1: Couldn't believe that. Uh, couldn't believe that. Tom Brady one again,
Speaker 1: I think it was it was seventy and it was
Speaker 1: just carboard cut ats. Is that true? A lot of
Speaker 1: them were carbonar cut ats. Oh okay, Well, all I
Speaker 1: know is it didn't It didn't look like I mean,
Speaker 1: it was terrified. It was terrifying to see it was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, how many people is this? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't even know if that's true. I think there might
Speaker 1: have been a ton of people there. Yeah, Hans never mind,
Speaker 1: never mind. Yeah, it didn't feel right to me. Also,
Speaker 1: like the whole stunting on them being like, by the way,
Speaker 1: we're giving two million dollars away to um and systemic racism.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, give Colin Kaepernick his job back. Okay,
Speaker 1: how about that. Let's fucking get it together and really
Speaker 1: reckon with the fact that y'all have been really slow
Speaker 1: on the uptake here and not just like here's a
Speaker 1: bunch of money. Though I am glad that that is
Speaker 1: a very large sum of money. It's just like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm still not a fan of it. And
Speaker 1: then everything they did with the messaging with um Jasmine
Speaker 1: Sullivan having to sing the national anthem with Eric Church,
Speaker 1: It's like, no, why don't you just let Jasmine do it?
Speaker 1: I don't need to see this fucking show of unity.
Speaker 1: And Hans wants to know what about the weekend? Um,
Speaker 1: we love able. Uh, it's a rule of culture. Only
Speaker 1: women should perform at the halftime show. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I agree, or unless it's us, Unless it's us that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. It should be us and maybe maybe Andy
Speaker 1: Samberg right Lonely Island halftime. I think that, Uh, a
Speaker 1: man can perform at the super Bowl. Prince did a
Speaker 1: great halftime show. Yes, we're talking about Hans. We're talking
Speaker 1: about in the current like PEPSI sponsored super Bowl halftime show.
Speaker 1: We're talking about female singers. Can I say something, I'm
Speaker 1: really not liking how much we're being challenged by our
Speaker 1: male producers. I'm not really I'm not into it. Today
Speaker 1: was not that this is the Brittany episode. This is
Speaker 1: And although I do appreciate Anna's hot Epna's contribution, A
Speaker 1: ton of parties around the event of the Super Bowl. Yes, okay, disgusting, despicable,
Speaker 1: tampas trash. It felt whack And I saw your tweet
Speaker 1: about it too, and I agree with you. And the
Speaker 1: thing with the weekend is like, I mean, I understand
Speaker 1: that he is at that level that he could perform
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. It's just like, never gonna be my vibe.
Speaker 1: Though I did like the blinding lights apart. I mean
Speaker 1: it should have just been on the field the entire time.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I hated the stage in where he is
Speaker 1: in the fucking seats, you know, like if he he's
Speaker 1: by the scoreboard. I was like, get him out and
Speaker 1: get him out on the field. He could sing like
Speaker 1: a motherfucker. I almost didn't realize he had all that. Like,
Speaker 1: but he is like a supertendor, like he can really sing. Yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's great. But super Bowl I don't know anyway. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: So what the deal is is I usually go, then
Speaker 1: there's usually some conversation, then Bone goes, and so that
Speaker 1: is I guess we're sort of following that tonight. So
Speaker 1: this here, my friends, is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: And as time starts, now, I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: anyone who is disgusted had to turn it off. Made
Speaker 1: it a crazy faced at my don't think so any
Speaker 1: last week about toe nails, bitch, I have never ever
Speaker 1: ever been so angry at a response. You have no
Speaker 1: right to be truly like pearl graspy, pearl clutchy about
Speaker 1: this if you are to. And my my sister Matt
Speaker 1: Rodgers was on my side in the end, don't say
Speaker 1: wow my face My face was Matt's face the entire
Speaker 1: time ended up siding with me being my girls saying
Speaker 1: if you, if you, if you are just truly like
Speaker 1: shocked at this, you are not confronting your own humanity.
Speaker 1: And this is all I have to say. I have
Speaker 1: no articulate point to make except to say, how dare
Speaker 1: you do not make me not to feel disgusted or
Speaker 1: like these habits are bad. It's fine, we all have
Speaker 1: these fucked up I'm Billie Eilish, I am the emo
Speaker 1: princess saying you are as dark as I am, and
Speaker 1: you are denying your darkness and your humanity by by
Speaker 1: saying that I'm the weird one, that I'm billy. I'm
Speaker 1: Billie Eilish, that's one minute plus. Um that to say
Speaker 1: to end it with you saying, I'm Billie Eilish, Now
Speaker 1: it makes sense. I feel like now you've are in
Speaker 1: the respect because they just didn't know that. But with
Speaker 1: you sayce being billy, you want to eat your groure
Speaker 1: flavored toenails, which, by the way I looked at it,
Speaker 1: I didn't want them. It does mean you may have
Speaker 1: a fun guess I did look it up. It does
Speaker 1: mean you may have a fungus, but I do do.
Speaker 1: Millions of people so do I. But apparently, um, I
Speaker 1: think that you're gonna sort of you're gonna see the
Speaker 1: response sort of softened because you've now expressed that it's
Speaker 1: a part of your artistic sense ability. It's like it's
Speaker 1: like Billie Eilish, like you know, slurping this alive out
Speaker 1: of her in Visilene. It's like, guys, we are all
Speaker 1: human beings. We are all like sacks of ship, so true,
Speaker 1: we're meat bags. We're meat bags, and like, don't deny
Speaker 1: your body, your your your your body horror disgusting like tendencies.
Speaker 1: You know, that episode was no, that was body horror.
Speaker 1: It was body hart. That whole episode was body horror.
Speaker 1: When I listened back to UM the discussion of the
Speaker 1: live birth, I could not believe that that that episode
Speaker 1: was body and I had someone to reach out and
Speaker 1: say they had to pull over to throw up a
Speaker 1: pregnant woman. Oh my god, I have to we have
Speaker 1: to publicly apologize. We're so sorry. We really we triggered
Speaker 1: the pregnant woman so much that she had to pull
Speaker 1: over in her car to throw up. And she she
Speaker 1: got on and she was like, it's literally fine, but
Speaker 1: I want because it happens all the time. But I
Speaker 1: did want you to know that this did happen. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, I completely understand. I very
Speaker 1: nearly threw up and we were talking about it. So
Speaker 1: we're very sorry. We apologize to anyone else who threw up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean, trust me, if you're if you're reading
Speaker 1: the news lately, it's a lot about accountableism, so not
Speaker 1: a lot of ways to escape the body horror as
Speaker 1: of late, there is a body horror trend anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So before we go, I just wanted to UM check
Speaker 1: in with you. Um re your television watching what what What? What?
Speaker 1: Should everyone will be watching along with you right now?
Speaker 1: I've really fallen off. I'm just watching one division. I
Speaker 1: just finished season four search Party, which I thought was fantastic.
Speaker 1: I season. I heard they might get another season. Who knows.
Speaker 1: We're waiting to hear. But there's an episode with that
Speaker 1: focuses on Shantal with her bottom clear. Mcmialty's character Alia
Speaker 1: was incredible. This Ali was incredible. This season. Cola Scola
Speaker 1: was incredible season. I mean seeing Cole play opposite, seeing
Speaker 1: Cole play opposite and Jon and Susan Surrandon, I was
Speaker 1: just like, this is fucking this, this is what um.
Speaker 1: I mean, they did such a good job. And then
Speaker 1: I just had to look up this actress is today
Speaker 1: because there's an actress in the Shantal episode. Uh, Lilias White. Oh,
Speaker 1: Lilias White is a Tony Winner. She she plays Jessie
Speaker 1: in the dream Girls concert version that I always tell
Speaker 1: you about, right, Lilias White, she's one of the music
Speaker 1: in Hercules, but she has this role in this episode
Speaker 1: Party season four that I think is the funniest she is.
Speaker 1: So I texted Charles. I was like, she's an icon.
Speaker 1: I was, I was idiot, like, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I should I should know my my dream
Speaker 1: Girls and my Tony's better. But I texted Charles, I
Speaker 1: was like, who's that actress who was playing this woman
Speaker 1: Wilma character will featured actress Tony Winner for the Life
Speaker 1: in the nineties. Yes, I texted Charles. I was like,
Speaker 1: I feel like I should know this this actress, but
Speaker 1: she's incredible and she's making me Ga fall like who
Speaker 1: is that? And Charles was like, oh, it's Lily's. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, right, right right, And she just is phenomenal.
Speaker 1: I just laughing thinking about some scenes with her. Truly
Speaker 1: phenomenal and Claire McNulty incredible. Everyone, I mean, Meredith Hagner,
Speaker 1: I'm not just saying podcast, Meredeth Hagner, John Early, John Reynolds,
Speaker 1: Rebecca Robles, our story. I was justa I was like,
Speaker 1: everyone was like, do you know Rebecca Nko was asking me,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, She's incredible. She always was.
Speaker 1: She was always she always was, and she's so multi talented.
Speaker 1: She was doing she was doing hair, and she was
Speaker 1: like she was And just I'm just truly like a
Speaker 1: beauty search party that were you ever on it? I was,
Speaker 1: I've never been on it, but you you you are
Speaker 1: in the Search Party universe. Yeah, I'm I'm in the SPU. Um.
Speaker 1: But that was one of those shows where it was like,
Speaker 1: you feel like, not like a rite of passage, like
Speaker 1: not like a Lauren order. It was like a Lauren
Speaker 1: order for Common. It was just kind of like like
Speaker 1: Pat Regan is so funny, Paths amazing, Joel and Metra amazing,
Speaker 1: and season three. Yeah. Yeah, but it did feel good
Speaker 1: to like get to be on it because it did
Speaker 1: feel like in that in that universe, I'm like a
Speaker 1: complete entertainment fashion commentator. Um, it's what are you watching?
Speaker 1: I literally, I mean I told you and I pitched
Speaker 1: to Bowen earlier. I was like, you know who I
Speaker 1: would love to have on the show, Um, Tiana Paris,
Speaker 1: who is playing Monica Rambo in One Division. I've just
Speaker 1: fallen in love with her and watching interviews UM about
Speaker 1: the show because she's so excited, like and because her
Speaker 1: character becomes like her character in the comic books becomes
Speaker 1: like Captain leads the Avengers, and um, it's really fun
Speaker 1: and I love her on the show and I'm obsessed
Speaker 1: with the show. I watched it all the episodes again
Speaker 1: last night. It's great. I'm picking up on more things now.
Speaker 1: I like obsessed with Elizabeth Olson. I love Paul Bettany,
Speaker 1: I always have UM and Catherine han As, I think
Speaker 1: the best actress ever, ever, ever. I'm so in love
Speaker 1: with that woman. I just don't think I have ever
Speaker 1: once seen her be even close, not even not even
Speaker 1: never seen her be bad. I've never even seen her
Speaker 1: be okay, I've only ever seen her fucking nail that.
Speaker 1: She is exactly my favorite type of actress. Who Um,
Speaker 1: She's obviously led by her joy and I think she's
Speaker 1: always fun and she's always making it fun for herself,
Speaker 1: and that she's a great scene partner. And I just
Speaker 1: I get such good vibes from the whole cast and
Speaker 1: One Division. What they did at the end to the
Speaker 1: last episode I loved because I love the actor. I
Speaker 1: love that actor that they revealed at the end. I
Speaker 1: love him. He's so fucking hot. Um, And I'm just
Speaker 1: obsessed with the show. I love it. People people yelled
Speaker 1: at me because I said how much how much I
Speaker 1: love One Division and want to watch all the marvels,
Speaker 1: and they're like, it's military propaganda, and I'm like, y'all
Speaker 1: can't jump off a bridge with I never left at
Speaker 1: Brittany people, Oh, just get out of my life. It's
Speaker 1: like I think we said this last episode, or I
Speaker 1: mean we said this like offline to each other. It's
Speaker 1: like my first Cat Dennings experience where I'm like, Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: I love Catdennings and then like yes, and I've always
Speaker 1: been like okay, Cat Dnings, but girl Catdennings is so
Speaker 1: good at this. I am l elling along with her.
Speaker 1: I love Catdennings. I think she had like the two
Speaker 1: broke girl stink on her, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, she's on like a CBS sitcom
Speaker 1: whenever she had to check Laurie stink on her, which
Speaker 1: I mean, who are we to be? Like, who are we?
Speaker 1: I mean, so we would have the stink on us too,
Speaker 1: if yes, exactly? Um. And then I was to say
Speaker 1: that Katherine Hahn is the best part. And I know
Speaker 1: we say this every time each baby bring her up,
Speaker 1: but she is the best part of Stepbrothers, the best
Speaker 1: part of she I think she steals the movie from
Speaker 1: Will We're Sorry well, but in my opinion, my opinion,
Speaker 1: Katherine Han steals the movie from Will. From John C.
Speaker 1: Riley from Mr Adam Scott from Adam Scott. I just
Speaker 1: she's the funniest fucking part of that movie. She is
Speaker 1: the best part of almost everything she's ever done. I'm
Speaker 1: not kidding. I'm upset, you know what I was remembering
Speaker 1: she was in Girls when she when she was the
Speaker 1: mother of the girl that Jessa was babysitting and she
Speaker 1: learning with her husband and she's like, look, and the
Speaker 1: way that her character handled that with her was like
Speaker 1: so good that I just I'm as I love her
Speaker 1: in Bad Moms. I love her and when her talking
Speaker 1: and the best part of Bad Moms is her talking
Speaker 1: about uncut dicks, She's like, get to pull the skin
Speaker 1: over the cop like shel she would be incredible. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm just I'm maybe we should get Catherine
Speaker 1: Han the Loves get Katherine Han the show. Well. Now
Speaker 1: it's so weird because like I'm watching so many interviews
Speaker 1: with the Marvel people and it's so clear they can't
Speaker 1: say ship. But also I don't I don't want to
Speaker 1: ask her about I would, I would, I listen, I
Speaker 1: could ask I want to ask her about what she
Speaker 1: does every day, Like I don't care about you know, Agnes,
Speaker 1: my god, not that I don't care about, but I
Speaker 1: just care about Catherine Han more proper. Right, Well, we
Speaker 1: might have to do a Catherine Hahn deep dive someday.
Speaker 1: But UM, on that note, this we hope you've enjoyed
Speaker 1: this Britney Spears sort of symposium, two person symposium. Um.
Speaker 1: And we talked about Wendy a little bit. We talked
Speaker 1: about Army. I think you really you know, checked all
Speaker 1: the big boxes Britney and then a little bit of
Speaker 1: a little a little little bit of Catherine had appreciation,
Speaker 1: which I'm good with. UM, and I think that here's
Speaker 1: the deal. Bowen and I we have mentioned a lot
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