Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. We
Speaker 1: are back at one of my what's become one of
Speaker 1: my favorite hunts. We are hunting whitetail here in Kansas
Speaker 1: with our good buddy Randy Mulligan and Brock Shelton. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the show, guys.
Speaker 2: Glad to be here.
Speaker 3: Thanks, thanks for having us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it's always a great time. You always.
Speaker 1: I've told this joke a bunch. I always thought I
Speaker 1: was gonna white til hunt when I got old and
Speaker 1: couldn't meal deer hunter, elk hunt anymore. But this is
Speaker 1: truly turned into one of my favorite hunts of the year.
Speaker 1: We get to come out here, sit in a tree, watch, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, God's green earth wake up and birds chirp
Speaker 1: and turkeys do their thing, white tail rut and it's
Speaker 1: it's been a blast. And can't thank you guys enough
Speaker 1: for everything. You guys do. You know year around, you know,
Speaker 1: make sure the white tail hunting is good.
Speaker 2: Well, you kind of hit it rough this year with
Speaker 2: a you're pretty much locked down first, you know, the
Speaker 2: first two days, I think you saw a lot of
Speaker 2: rutting and running, and then the last couple of days
Speaker 2: it's been a little bit slower just because they've been
Speaker 2: locked down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's uh so, Kansas in general has been
Speaker 1: you know, you guys have had what two or three
Speaker 1: years of what you guys would consider drought, let's.
Speaker 3: Say three years brouh yea, yeah, I would say three.
Speaker 3: We've been below average the last three years.
Speaker 1: So you know, since we've been coming here, you know,
Speaker 1: since you gave us the invite, graciously gave us the
Speaker 1: invite a couple of years ago to come out here
Speaker 1: and start deer hunting, we've kind of deer hunted to
Speaker 1: that drought. And you know, there's still been good bucks around,
Speaker 1: great bucks round. This year, you guys finally got a
Speaker 1: bunch of spring rain, maybe too much rain at times,
Speaker 1: but seem to have some some good horn growth. And
Speaker 1: you know, as we were watching you know, pictures and
Speaker 1: trail cams, it seemed like you guys had some you know,
Speaker 1: really good good dear maybe more good deer you know
Speaker 1: around this year than than normal.
Speaker 2: I think we had to really struggled this year if
Speaker 2: we wouldn't have got the rain we did in the spring.
Speaker 2: And we've gotten a few inches here in the last
Speaker 2: couple of weeks it's helped a lot. I'll be honest
Speaker 2: with you. I didn't know if we were going to
Speaker 2: get a fall plot up, but we got about five
Speaker 2: inches in the last fifteen days. And I know, looking
Speaker 2: at brocks plots in mind, they're all greening up. So
Speaker 2: we're pretty excited about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that also helped put a little water in
Speaker 3: the creeks for the deer chasing. Does they can stop
Speaker 3: by the creeks, get a drink and helps everything.
Speaker 2: Water is the key, I mean it really is for us.
Speaker 2: And again when you have a three year drought, it
Speaker 2: makes it tough. I mean we've been putting water in
Speaker 2: buckets and everything else to try to make sure they
Speaker 2: have water.
Speaker 1: I know the stand I hunted out of this year
Speaker 1: that I've hunted quite a bit, that little creek that
Speaker 1: was behind me is flowing full. You know where years
Speaker 1: past there's maybe some puddles on the corner. It's good
Speaker 1: also for summer water. It helps prevent you know, the
Speaker 1: CWD and all the things they can get from all
Speaker 1: happen to you know, concentrate it water sources. Right, So
Speaker 1: did you guys, were you guys able to avoid you
Speaker 1: know about that, or did it still kind of get
Speaker 1: some of your deer this summer as well.
Speaker 2: You know, I've not seen I know, I've heard of
Speaker 2: a few dead deer. I know last year, last summer,
Speaker 2: all the farmers, including myself Brock, we all did We
Speaker 2: had our ponds dug out. I've been here twenty years
Speaker 2: and this pond behind our house I've never seen dry,
Speaker 2: and it was dry last year. So we brought in
Speaker 2: you know guys to dig these ponds out, and now
Speaker 2: they're all full. But we've got a couple of spring
Speaker 2: ponds here close, and I think we've got a little
Speaker 2: lake over here about a mile to the north of us.
Speaker 2: So we've been fortunate right in this area. But I
Speaker 2: know a few areas. I've heard one guy you know,
Speaker 2: found ten or twelve dead deer in this field, and
Speaker 2: so it's tough, but it's tough a lot of places.
Speaker 1: You know, What do you guys brought, what do you
Speaker 1: see guys seeing on your properties? Just overall deer numbers,
Speaker 1: are they increase in the holding steady declining a little bit?
Speaker 3: I would say currently they're probably holding steady, if anything,
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit of decline. But water is the key,
Speaker 3: and I think a lot of people don't realize that
Speaker 3: until you go through like what we have the last
Speaker 3: three years, and then it's like we'd been fortunate with
Speaker 3: timely rains, and the timeliness is probably important because we
Speaker 3: were we had way too much rain, probably in the
Speaker 3: springs washing out. They had replant milo and then it
Speaker 3: was almost like a spickett turned off our summer turn dry.
Speaker 3: Creeks dried up, and farmers were worried about you know, hey,
Speaker 3: we're going to have water to get through the winter,
Speaker 3: you know. And then fortunately, like Rainy said, we've had
Speaker 3: probably five inches in the last fifteen to twenty days,
Speaker 3: and we put seed in the ground for fall food plots,
Speaker 3: and nothing you can do then, but wait, you know,
Speaker 3: like we may be having stands over dirt piles, dirt fields.
Speaker 2: I replanted my plots twice, you know, it came in
Speaker 2: and duraled, put them in early, hoping we'd get a rain.
Speaker 2: You know, I jokingly you always say any of us
Speaker 2: can be a weather person. You just got to be
Speaker 2: fifty percent right, and most of the jobs you can't
Speaker 2: do that. But I drilled all of ours three days before.
Speaker 2: We had a one hundred percent chance of rain we
Speaker 2: got zero and so you know, a month later, with
Speaker 2: no rain, we drilled again. But I noticed this week
Speaker 2: ours is looking pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very excited. We got some what inch inch and
Speaker 1: a half. They're our second and third day of the hunt.
Speaker 1: You know that that night helped out, and it looks like
Speaker 1: you guys are going to get another inch or two
Speaker 1: tonight as well.
Speaker 2: Tonight they're calling from one to two.
Speaker 1: So is that going to be enough to finish off
Speaker 1: your guys's you know, your your fall food plots and
Speaker 1: get those to finish off or your winter crew.
Speaker 3: Should go ahead and get those were playing in mostly
Speaker 3: grain crops and a few turn ups and stuff. It
Speaker 3: should go ahead and get those finished out and then
Speaker 3: hopefully we get some cooler weather. We've been as you know,
Speaker 3: we've been having some warm weather and that doesn't help
Speaker 3: with the movement during daylight hours. So yeah, that's what
Speaker 3: I was gonna go to next. The turn ups need
Speaker 3: some frost.
Speaker 1: It's been warm and the wind hasn't been quite right.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I know I'm learning, but it sounds like from you know,
Speaker 1: the three years I've been here, you guys want those
Speaker 1: north winds, those colder winds, and we have We've had
Speaker 1: what half a day on this week trip with some
Speaker 1: north and everything else has either been out of the
Speaker 1: south or the southeast. It seemed like, and you know,
Speaker 1: you guys primarily, I mean there are some you know,
Speaker 1: Randy's got a ton of sets here, so we usually
Speaker 1: can get up in a tree and uh, but you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of the better sets are you know, the
Speaker 1: majority of your guys is you know, setups are for
Speaker 1: north wind.
Speaker 2: I always say, you've heard me say over and over weather,
Speaker 2: Trump's everything. And uh, two years ago, you're up here
Speaker 2: and uh, you and I almost froze death in the
Speaker 2: stand on you know, November thirteenth or something. It was
Speaker 2: twenty degrees. And you know, in Kansas, I always hear
Speaker 2: people say, well, the wind's blowing a deer. If the
Speaker 2: deer doesn't eat and the wind up here, they're gonna
Speaker 2: starve because it's always gonna blow. But you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's November the seventeenth, and I think we've had too
Speaker 2: small frost and normally this time of year rock and ore,
Speaker 2: you know, hoping it's thirty degrees and and uh so
Speaker 2: you you guys, you were fortunate you killed a good
Speaker 2: deer yep, and uh, first day, but we've just it's
Speaker 2: been in sixties is sixties, and now we've got the
Speaker 2: full moon, which I like the full moon. I've always
Speaker 2: enjoyed hunting the full moon. Uh, but the weather trumps
Speaker 2: at all and we've just had some warm weather, so
Speaker 2: I know it's been tough for Dirk this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that warm weather. Yeah, just it just
Speaker 1: seems to kind of slow them down, you know, later
Speaker 1: movement and then that moon we noticed, you know, we
Speaker 1: had some other buddies and you know some of your
Speaker 1: buddies in camp. Brian, you know, he was sitting i
Speaker 1: would say more midday than we were at times, and
Speaker 1: he was seeing some good movement from that full moon.
Speaker 1: You know, midday on these warm days, it's kind of
Speaker 1: some you know, different different patterns and different movement.
Speaker 2: But well, the guys that hunt here, like Brian and
Speaker 2: myself Brock, if on a full moon like this type
Speaker 2: of full moon, I'd rather hunt at October full moon.
Speaker 2: But this full moon you'll see us setting in the
Speaker 2: middle of the day. You know, Brian probably didn't even
Speaker 2: get out there till nine o'clock in the morning, you know,
Speaker 2: knowing they're gonna move there in today, and and and
Speaker 2: but again. You watch the moon, you watch the weather again. Brock,
Speaker 2: I think is gonna take a couple of days off
Speaker 2: next week because he's finally gonna get fifty and thirties
Speaker 2: at nine North kill a big deer. He'll kill a
Speaker 2: big deer next week. I'm betting on it.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the I mean, we talk about
Speaker 1: it a lot, and we're coming out here, we're traveling
Speaker 1: halfway across the country. You get, you know, you don't
Speaker 1: have the luxury of sitting out you know, even Randy,
Speaker 1: you know, being you know, traveling to his hunting grounds.
Speaker 1: It's like when you hear you gotta hunt where Brock,
Speaker 1: you're living on his place. He's like, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: get up in there. I'm not even gonna risk the window.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to waste my time. And so you're
Speaker 1: waiting for the opportunity coming next week.
Speaker 3: And I'm one of these guys. I don't want to
Speaker 3: mess it up and run the deer off, boogriam out
Speaker 3: and not see him again. So a lot of times
Speaker 3: it's better for me to wait until all the conditions
Speaker 3: are in my favor.
Speaker 2: We do not hunt the bad wind. You know, Fortunately,
Speaker 2: I am four and a half hours away, and many
Speaker 2: a time Brock and I probably talk on the phone
Speaker 2: every single day, and you know, hey, we got a
Speaker 2: front coming in, I'll take off work. I'm here. But
Speaker 2: Brock is fortunate because and Brock's a great hunter. I mean,
Speaker 2: we just do not hunt the bad wind. And he's fortunate.
Speaker 2: We may go a whole week, he may go a
Speaker 2: whole week not set on a stand because and it
Speaker 2: may have a big deer coming in there every day,
Speaker 2: but bad wind not going to go. And as soon
Speaker 2: as he gets one. I've done Brock twenty years, and
Speaker 2: I'll bet you I know several of the big deer
Speaker 2: he's killed on one set.
Speaker 1: Yep. First, you know it seems to be you know,
Speaker 1: the others do that as well. You know, they're they're
Speaker 1: just not gonna hit that stand on They're gonna make
Speaker 1: sure their approaches right, the wind's right, you know, for
Speaker 1: that deer to move. And then how much do you think,
Speaker 1: Brock or you know, on sets like that, is it
Speaker 1: is it just that wind and you just know that
Speaker 1: that buck's gonna show up? Or is it? Are you
Speaker 1: also seeing that buck on camera plus the right win,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like to get that deer
Speaker 1: in the exact right spot. There's a little bit of
Speaker 1: patterning plus that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a little bit of homework that goes into it.
Speaker 3: A lot of times when I'm looking at trail cam picks,
Speaker 3: I'm not just seeing that that deer is in there.
Speaker 3: I wanting to see which way he's coming from. And
Speaker 3: then I'll I'll look to see which way the wind
Speaker 3: was blowing while he's doing that. So you're trying to
Speaker 3: look so okay, he's coming from that away, my my
Speaker 3: access to my stands, you know, from the opposite way,
Speaker 3: I'm fine there. What wind is he using? He's playing
Speaker 3: it safe and then you just use all that information
Speaker 3: you gained and use it against him.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, an elk hunting, you know, the
Speaker 1: same thing, same thing you guys do in White Tail.
Speaker 1: You know, give him the wind a little bit. That
Speaker 1: buck wants to think he's safe. How and your guys's experience,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're when you're you know, getting down
Speaker 1: to that real technical level that buck is he always
Speaker 1: got that wind right on his nose, or is he
Speaker 1: is he giving you forty five degrees ninety degrees, Like
Speaker 1: how safe is to you know, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: is that buck gonna go with the wind straight at him?
Speaker 1: Or is he willing to risk it a little bit?
Speaker 2: I think he risked some. I've got a deer behind
Speaker 2: my house right now, I'm hunting, and it seems like
Speaker 2: he's only coming in there on a west wind. You know,
Speaker 2: he'll he'll he'll mess up and and again they're rutting
Speaker 2: a little bit right now, so they're a little crazy.
Speaker 2: And uh, I just have to have a better wind
Speaker 2: for me to get in there, so it's not blowing
Speaker 2: toward I know which direction he's coming. We've got thousands
Speaker 2: trail cameras of him. He comes from the same direction
Speaker 2: every time. I just can't hunt him unless I got
Speaker 2: a north wind, you know. So I've not hunted him,
Speaker 2: and so, uh, I think sometimes we probably a lot
Speaker 2: of people give deer a little bit more credit than
Speaker 2: they are. I mean, they're they're smart animals, they're they're
Speaker 2: you know, they're I don't think they're humans, but uh,
Speaker 2: this time of year, they got one thing on their mind.
Speaker 2: They're gonna mess up. We just gotta wait on them
Speaker 2: to mess up.
Speaker 1: So they're not They're not only gonna feed with the
Speaker 1: wind in their face all times, so there's no chance
Speaker 1: you you know, like, oh, it seems like they feed,
Speaker 1: you know with the thermals. They're feeding with the prevailing wins.
Speaker 1: They're only moving that direction. They're gonna wait for the
Speaker 1: thermals to switch move to bed. You know, they're they're
Speaker 1: almost always walking with that wind that their nose to
Speaker 1: some degree, and then you it's almost like you have
Speaker 1: to intercept them at a ninety degree, Like all right,
Speaker 1: if I give them ninety degrees, I'm pretty safe. But
Speaker 1: you know that that big buck may still walk by
Speaker 1: my stand. And you know, some of our sets this
Speaker 1: week once again because we had to be here, we're
Speaker 1: probably risking it more like we're like, well, if that
Speaker 1: thing gets to this location, he's gonna win me. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot him before they get there, you know.
Speaker 1: And so you're playing that game. Well, that works out
Speaker 1: great until you got to do or something walk by
Speaker 1: and gets that and then she bugger's out. But that's
Speaker 1: just the game you have to play when you're when
Speaker 1: you just don't have that perfect win.
Speaker 3: And I think too, if if you're not over hunting
Speaker 3: a place, you're going to a place deer relaxed, and
Speaker 3: they're they're let their senses down, just like like humans.
Speaker 3: They're like, Okay, i've been eating eating in here, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go up this draw and go to this food plot,
Speaker 3: you know, and they kind of getting a routine, and
Speaker 3: and sometimes they'll do stuff when it's not in their advantage,
Speaker 3: and that's when you need to be there.
Speaker 2: And I think you guys are in a tough spot
Speaker 2: sometimes because you guys are traveling. You got seven days
Speaker 2: to hunt, so we're gonna we're gonna hunt those seven days.
Speaker 2: I know, I was up here a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: ago and I came to hunt for a week. I
Speaker 2: never had to back. I knew I didn't have a
Speaker 2: good win looking at it. I went home after two
Speaker 2: and a half days. You know, we have that advantage
Speaker 2: to be able to do that where you guys come,
Speaker 2: you're here seven days, you're going home. You're not coming back.
Speaker 2: So we're trying to hang enough sets to get you
Speaker 2: on a good deer. Fortunately you got on a good deer.
Speaker 2: But uh so, you know we do have that advantage
Speaker 2: of hunting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, well we'll run into that recap here.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be real short. Usually in Kansas, I'm the
Speaker 1: one that's stuck graining, and I think I've killed my deer.
Speaker 1: Last last year, I killed it on the very last sit.
Speaker 1: We finally got some high pressure after a low and
Speaker 1: some rain for four or five days. But finally in Kansas,
Speaker 1: I kicked the monkey off my shoulder. Pretty early, we
Speaker 1: knew we had some south winds. You guys weren't running
Speaker 1: a lot of cams on on your south piece of property, right,
Speaker 1: and so we were. There was a little bit we
Speaker 1: had seen, like Randy showed me a picture night before,
Speaker 1: like you might want to look at this deer if
Speaker 1: he comes, and he was around there, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: so I get in and it's funny. I gotta I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell the story ahead. My two bucks died within
Speaker 1: about twenty feet of each other last year and this year,
Speaker 1: but I shot him at a different stands, But they
Speaker 1: both went to the same patch of timber to die,
Speaker 1: And I texted Randy, will never believe it. He died
Speaker 1: twenty yards from rather one. He's like, don't you be
Speaker 1: getting any ideas or trying to think that you you
Speaker 1: own that that spot. Yeah, I'm trying to get Randy
Speaker 1: due to a property boundary adjustment so I can buy
Speaker 1: the end of this little uh set. But so we
Speaker 1: knew we had south winds and Andy, I remember looking
Speaker 1: at this stand the very first the very first day
Speaker 1: ever hunted your property. We went and sat here turkey hunting,
Speaker 1: and he told me about you know, did the deer
Speaker 1: stand there? And why you had said it well, in
Speaker 1: the south wind, it's if you looked at it from
Speaker 1: an aerial and didn't know the topography. It's not a
Speaker 1: good set because you're blowing down to the river in
Speaker 1: the bend. But what it is, it's on what would
Speaker 1: you say, an eighty to one hundred foot shelf, right
Speaker 1: on two different directions. So we're able to sit that
Speaker 1: stand and blow out and then you know, to paint
Speaker 1: the picture. There's there's a food plot that goes out
Speaker 1: on the point and I'm just inside the timber between
Speaker 1: a draw and then where that point would run off
Speaker 1: a ladder stand. It was always a ladder stand. And
Speaker 1: then like I say, I take I take zero credit
Speaker 1: for some of these deer I killed. Besides being able
Speaker 1: to shoot and sit in the stand. You know, Randy
Speaker 1: is managing his property. Randy and his buddies. He went
Speaker 1: hunting an additional tree stand up there, so our camera
Speaker 1: guys had a spot and I literally just get to
Speaker 1: climb in a tree, put an arrow on my bow,
Speaker 1: and hunt. So I can't thank you guys enough for that.
Speaker 1: But get up in that stand. Right off the bat,
Speaker 1: you see the deer that that you don't want to
Speaker 1: you know, see what I always I want to kill
Speaker 1: a big deer on your place. Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: but I also feel like by getting the invite out here,
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like I should be helping you do
Speaker 1: some management too. And right off the bat, like I
Speaker 1: literally get my bow on the tree hook, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit down for a little bit and just
Speaker 1: kind of watch the woods wake up. I can hear
Speaker 1: a deer coming to my right. I could see you
Speaker 1: had a big old body on him. Then you get
Speaker 1: your binoculars out and you're like, ah, short, g two
Speaker 1: big o' eight point definitely better than a five year
Speaker 1: old deer. And you're like, do I even tell Randy
Speaker 1: I see this one? So you watch him walk through.
Speaker 1: He's got a small eight with him. Those two are
Speaker 1: running the same trail. They kind of feed through in front,
Speaker 1: and and and so from daylight until I shoot my buck.
Speaker 1: I had deer in front of me working the edge
Speaker 1: of the field. I have a little we called him Elliott,
Speaker 1: a little one by two, you know, comes up and
Speaker 1: he feeds around us. And I have some does and
Speaker 1: fallens worked our way in front, and he's chasing He
Speaker 1: chases him out in the field. Once they come back.
Speaker 1: He chases him out in the field the second time,
Speaker 1: and he's off to the other side. I'm like, why
Speaker 1: is that spike not with the does anymore? You know,
Speaker 1: he's right on them. Well I can. I catch a
Speaker 1: glimpse out of the corner of my eye and I
Speaker 1: see a big, you know, a rat coming in off
Speaker 1: of the field edge, you know, maybe maybe eighty yards.
Speaker 1: And we were in Kansas, so to paint the picture,
Speaker 1: it is what it is. There's a you guys have
Speaker 1: laid out a little poly of corn. You know, the
Speaker 1: doughs were swinging in those big bucks don't really care.
Speaker 1: They'll scent check it. And that buck came back to
Speaker 1: that dough he had, you know, he wasn't coming to
Speaker 1: that corn. We've seen it a bunch of times. You know,
Speaker 1: he's more matured. You aren't coming to corn, but he's
Speaker 1: gonna come, you know, get behind that more mature dough.
Speaker 1: And fortunately it was seven to ten in the morning.
Speaker 1: I sat for what thirty minutes, forty minutes and killed
Speaker 1: a really good ten.
Speaker 2: I've killed some good deer on that stand, and that's
Speaker 2: kind of you know, what you have to do up here.
Speaker 2: I'm not a huge, huge rut hunter, to be honest
Speaker 2: with you. I like to kill my deer around Halloween
Speaker 2: when they're really looking, or I will hunt them in
Speaker 2: December when it gets so cold. You know, rut you
Speaker 2: may see a deer. That deer that you shot didn't
Speaker 2: have a picture of him, you know, he just showed up.
Speaker 2: And but that standing that you were on, that's probably
Speaker 2: my favorite rut stand because it is a pinch point.
Speaker 2: They're going from one big set of woods to another
Speaker 2: set of woods. They got water there. I have a
Speaker 2: food plot in front. The woods are maybe eighty yards wide,
Speaker 2: and it's just they travel through there constantly, and and
Speaker 2: you talk about feeding. I put that corn out the
Speaker 2: day before and it really bucks aren't eating right now.
Speaker 2: I mean, we haven't seen any bucks on corn or anything.
Speaker 2: I put it out there to get the doe's attention
Speaker 2: to smell, just so they'll hang in the area. I've
Speaker 2: not fed that. I normally never feed that area. And
Speaker 2: I just put that one bag of corn out there,
Speaker 2: you know, And I don't know if it's even corn
Speaker 2: or nut grub, but we do some nutgrub because it
Speaker 2: has such a smell to it. It really brings the
Speaker 2: deer totract it to it. And so yeah, they weren't
Speaker 2: coming in or to eat, they were coming in there
Speaker 2: to mass around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a great spot, and we had other deer,
Speaker 1: you know. We sat that stand later, just you know,
Speaker 1: dough hunting and just observing. I love it. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: here might as well, taking advantage of sitting in a
Speaker 1: tree and watching the world wake up. And we could
Speaker 1: have killed some other deer in there that, you know,
Speaker 1: because by day two the corn was all gone. So
Speaker 1: I sat that stand later and there's still deer just
Speaker 1: naturally using that. We've seen just as many deer, just
Speaker 1: not you know, there was a three and a half
Speaker 1: year old nine point that went through there. We could
Speaker 1: have killed him, you know, so it's just a natural
Speaker 1: point for him. But it you know, since we've been
Speaker 1: coming here, you know, you were very you know, you
Speaker 1: let me hunt that stand. So Randy the way, Randy's property,
Speaker 1: he's got some stuff only he hunts, and he had
Speaker 1: killed his buck that year and let me go hunt
Speaker 1: some of his good stuff. And we we were, you know,
Speaker 1: talking on that one. A lot of these big bucks,
Speaker 1: they're smart enough, they know which way the wind's blowing.
Speaker 1: They just know the does are maybe checking out some
Speaker 1: of this food. They're just what eighty hundred yards down
Speaker 1: when they're trying to cover as much dough ground as
Speaker 1: they you know, lay lay sent to, you know, pick
Speaker 1: up the scent of some does. So they're not even
Speaker 1: going through there, you unless there's a dough on there
Speaker 1: if they want to come check her out.
Speaker 2: And I love about that set you're on. If you
Speaker 2: see him, you can normally shoot him if you can
Speaker 2: shoot your bow pretty decent, you know, if you can
Speaker 2: shoot out to fifteen sixty yards, if you see the buck,
Speaker 2: you can kill him from there. And that's what's nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's go through my white tail setup. I
Speaker 1: just got a new dart and thirty five set up.
Speaker 1: I don't change my elk setup, so I'm the odd
Speaker 1: man out. I'm still shooting those iron roll one twenty
Speaker 1: five's and I had a pretty quartering away shot, probably
Speaker 1: forty five degrees, but the buck was, you know, still,
Speaker 1: and I was very confident in that shot, and I
Speaker 1: probably went in fifth or sixth red back and lodged
Speaker 1: the broadhead into his front shoulder and very good blood
Speaker 1: trail for only one hole in them, you know. And
Speaker 1: I've been knock on wood on this table and we're
Speaker 1: sitting on mad I would. Fortunately, so far in Kansas,
Speaker 1: I've been able to watch all of my bucks, you know, die,
Speaker 1: And that buck was dead within ten seconds. Max ran off,
Speaker 1: and uh you know, I was able to wait for
Speaker 1: for Randy and Brock to come recover. It's always fun
Speaker 1: when you can do it as a group and take
Speaker 1: some good pictures. And uh yeah it was. It was
Speaker 1: my best Kansas buck so far, you know, not a
Speaker 1: not a giant, but a mature old deer. And uh,
Speaker 1: I say, if you keep killing the big, too big
Speaker 1: a one too early, you're never going to kill better ones.
Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to slowly, slowly climb the ladder
Speaker 1: here and uh a good buck there.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, anytime you kill a deer in the
Speaker 2: one fifties, which I brought your deer was, you got
Speaker 2: to be excited. I mean, growing up the way I
Speaker 2: did in Arkansas and I still live in Arkansas. I
Speaker 2: mean we're driving around, you know, a three point on
Speaker 2: the back of my truck and thinking that you know,
Speaker 2: a giant and now you know, Brock and I've been
Speaker 2: fortunate and we've hunted up here so long. We'll pass
Speaker 2: one fifties if they're not mature. And I think, gosh,
Speaker 2: I wud have never done that, yeah, thirty years ago,
Speaker 2: but we do.
Speaker 1: Oh, we're I know that I'm spoiled. Like you know,
Speaker 1: watch you you learn about whitetail hunting for me from
Speaker 1: out west on the on the outdoor Channel, and you're like, man,
Speaker 1: Randy's got you know, we're killing bucks bigger than most
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's a pretty special place. And uh, I'm extremely
Speaker 1: thankful to get to, you know, to hunt a place
Speaker 1: like this. But let's run into the patterning, which you know,
Speaker 1: you guys talked about maybe why you're you're in there
Speaker 1: October and then we've been talking about it a lot,
Speaker 1: like just rut specific stands, you know, setting your property
Speaker 1: up for that, you know, the observation. You know, we
Speaker 1: talked about it a little bit before the podcast. Randy
Speaker 1: was sitting in a you know, a marginal wins. So
Speaker 1: Randy's being forced to he wants to hunt his big buck,
Speaker 1: but kind of you know, off of the the epicenter
Speaker 1: of where he is, so he's kind of just sitting
Speaker 1: in the fringes. But in your obs are you're seeing
Speaker 1: tons of deer movement. You know, I think you had
Speaker 1: a twenty plus buck day, and you observe where all
Speaker 1: these deer wanting to go if you had to kill
Speaker 1: these deer, where you need to be and you you know,
Speaker 1: you two ended up setting this new stand up a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago and you know, moving to that stand,
Speaker 1: which to me, you know, it seems like we're hunting
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, historical stands, but you guys
Speaker 1: went set up a new stand and then hunted it
Speaker 1: the next day.
Speaker 2: You know, Brock I will say that he has a
Speaker 2: couple of hundred acres that I would say is probably
Speaker 2: as good as deer hunting I've ever been on and
Speaker 2: I'm fortunate I touch him, so I'm pretty much around
Speaker 2: him there, and I did. I had an unbelievable day
Speaker 2: and I saw twenty five bucks in one morning, and
Speaker 2: I know people say, oh, that's I actually count them.
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm watching them with binoculars, and they
Speaker 2: seem to be coming out one piece of ground that
Speaker 2: I own. I'm setting on a piece between me and Brock,
Speaker 2: right on the property line. And I watched these deer
Speaker 2: in there. They're all coming out of the same set
Speaker 2: of woods, which is the same set of woods my
Speaker 2: big deers in Uh. So we snuck in today before yesterday,
Speaker 2: and I know you guys wanted to go with us
Speaker 2: and Brocking our little you know, paranoid a little bit.
Speaker 2: We go in together, just me and him. We try
Speaker 2: to keep her sent down. We literally barely talk while.
Speaker 3: We're in there, trying to be quite as anything together.
Speaker 2: I joke Brocks my tree hanger. He can hang a
Speaker 2: tree stand in about thirty minutes and we got up there.
Speaker 2: I handed him everything. We set it up right where
Speaker 2: it was, but it was right where I'd been watching
Speaker 2: these deer, and Brock and I went straight over there,
Speaker 2: got up in the tree hung it, and the next morning,
Speaker 2: yesterday morning, I hunted it and had a great hunt.
Speaker 2: And every buck that I saw, and I saw several,
Speaker 2: I could have killed every one of them, and not
Speaker 2: one of them winded me. Just just us analyzing that
Speaker 2: situation so.
Speaker 3: Well, was pretty cool about that whole setup too. Is
Speaker 3: we got over there, he knew where he needed to be,
Speaker 3: and so we we eased in there and looked at
Speaker 3: some different trees. And I always liked going off a
Speaker 3: history too. And we're sitting there looking and it's like
Speaker 3: looking at an oak tree and like, well, that tree
Speaker 3: looks pretty good. I said, look, look there's railroad spikes
Speaker 3: in there. Somebody used to have already use it years ago.
Speaker 3: And it was the neighbor. Neighbor neighbor guy, his boy
Speaker 3: put it up. Shoot, it had to be thirty plus
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's I'm like, well, this is probably going to be
Speaker 3: where you need to be. Looks like it'd be a
Speaker 3: good spot. So you know, you're we've talked.
Speaker 1: Your property doesn't lend itself real well, like saddle type hunting,
Speaker 1: you know, or like instant tree climbing, So you got
Speaker 1: to go do a little bit bit of that prep
Speaker 1: work and you know, cut all your shooting lanes in
Speaker 1: and you know, it seems to be real brushy. If
Speaker 1: you were to climb a tree, you're probably not be
Speaker 1: able to shoot real great out of it unless you're
Speaker 1: on a field edge.
Speaker 2: So well we take you know, a fortunately got us
Speaker 2: steal battery post saw and it doesn't make a lot
Speaker 2: of noise. And so you know, Brock got up there,
Speaker 2: hung it really quick and say hey cut this, cut this.
Speaker 2: So we trimmed everything up and and we don't cut
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff. I mean, it's kind of tough
Speaker 2: getting up in that tree because we left so much stuff.
Speaker 3: Keep the cover in it, you keep the cover.
Speaker 2: And uh, like I said, I saw numerous bucks yesterday morning.
Speaker 2: Never never got seen. And we wear first light clothes,
Speaker 2: you know, and I had a couple several dos right
Speaker 2: under me, and and uh so fortunate. I'm looking forward
Speaker 2: to getting back and hunting that stand a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think I think there's possibility a big deer to
Speaker 2: die there someday.
Speaker 1: Yep. And that was that was of specifically for these
Speaker 1: south wind you needed a way to push in a
Speaker 1: little tighter to your bucks core area. But you know,
Speaker 1: keep that keep that winning good. One thing I'm noticing
Speaker 1: around here. You know, we have a stand that dirt
Speaker 1: hunted a couple of times that you know, not that
Speaker 1: any stands here mind, I'm not getting the butt to
Speaker 1: stand down below. I hunted down where the two creeks meet.
Speaker 1: One thing we noticed there is the wind down. There's
Speaker 1: a lot more swirly. Do you tend Do you guys
Speaker 1: tend to keep your stands up on ridges if possible?
Speaker 1: Or do you just have to play it where they're at?
Speaker 1: And because you know, coming from home, we get all
Speaker 1: these varying we get thermal plus, we get prevailing winds,
Speaker 1: plus we get you know, around home, if you're in
Speaker 1: a creek bottom, the wind almost always goes downstream because
Speaker 1: the cool weather is pulling it down. Are you guys
Speaker 1: trying to avoid that if possible? Or do you just
Speaker 1: set ridges? Or what's the best way when you're putting
Speaker 1: a stand.
Speaker 3: If you can stay out of the bottoms, it's it's
Speaker 3: the way to go, you know. And I know that
Speaker 3: the deer love to travel on the bottoms because it's
Speaker 3: to their advantage. The winds swirl and they can smell
Speaker 3: everything in the bottom. But if you can get up
Speaker 3: on the edge of kind of like where you killed
Speaker 3: your deer. It's on a ridge, and you use that
Speaker 3: terrain to your advantage, and you take away the advantage
Speaker 3: the deer have think they have, you know, if you're
Speaker 3: on the I'm thinking of the spot where I like
Speaker 3: to hunt on my farm, and I actually had to
Speaker 3: move it a little bit some circumstances, and I moved
Speaker 3: my stand a little bit, and I'm now kind of
Speaker 3: more down towards not on the top of the ridge,
Speaker 3: but about halfway down. And it'll be the only year
Speaker 3: that I'll have it there. As what I'll say, it's
Speaker 3: gonna be changed before next year because it just swirls
Speaker 3: too much. I mean, even on a especially in the
Speaker 3: evening time where the thermals are coming down. It's not optimum.
Speaker 2: That double set you're talking about that he got down into.
Speaker 2: You know, a couple of years ago, you had a
Speaker 2: wonderful hunt down there. I actually killed a deer down there,
Speaker 2: but that morning it was really really cold, real cool.
Speaker 2: So you won't see me going in there very often
Speaker 2: unless it's real cold, and I normally go in there
Speaker 2: when it's rut. They don't seem to smell as well
Speaker 2: when they're rutting. But I'll rarely go in there when
Speaker 2: it's not just just the cold. I can't hardly stand it.
Speaker 2: It's all rising up. But it's a great sit. You know,
Speaker 2: I got a food plot out there, and I know
Speaker 2: the two years ago when you killed your deer again.
Speaker 2: You have a tendency to shoot deer the first at
Speaker 2: the first thirty minutes you got on a deer stand.
Speaker 2: But you saw a lot of deer that morning in there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a great hunt.
Speaker 1: That setup is amazing because you're in the draw between
Speaker 1: two great ridgelines that the deer like the travel. You
Speaker 1: got a crp field back to your back corner. You
Speaker 1: got a big food plot. I think that you had
Speaker 1: beans in it, and then you have a big horseshoe
Speaker 1: bend in that creek that just like everything's perfect. It's
Speaker 1: just the wind in there is just like a soup sandwich.
Speaker 1: It just will not sit still. But still some great
Speaker 1: hunts in there, and there's enough there's enough good wind
Speaker 1: in there that if the deer approached from the right way,
Speaker 1: you can kill it once again. It goes back to you.
Speaker 1: We have to be on a stand somewhere, so at
Speaker 1: least there you're you're maybe you know, only only giving
Speaker 1: them ninety degreas a wind and just hope a deer
Speaker 1: doesn't come from that way.
Speaker 2: You know. Part of it is what we try to do.
Speaker 2: We have enough sits set it's out there that that's
Speaker 2: a perfect stand. When it's you get up a real
Speaker 2: frosty morning, it's real clear, there's not a lot of wind.
Speaker 2: Everything's going up, and man it can be. I've hunted
Speaker 2: it before and seen fifteen eighteen bucks in there and
Speaker 2: they're just going crazy. So it's but it's one of
Speaker 2: those I might only sit twice a year. You know.
Speaker 2: It's all about again, Brock and I say this over
Speaker 2: and over, and I know a lot of people do weather.
Speaker 2: Trump's everything to us, and and so we just have
Speaker 2: to pay attention where we hunt.
Speaker 1: Let's switch gears a little bit. You know, everybody seems
Speaker 1: like everybody's talking about Kansas, and I think everybody's heard
Speaker 1: about Kansas. Where you guys are talking that there's just
Speaker 1: you know, more hunting pressure here from outfitters, from neighboring
Speaker 1: property owners letting their buddies and their buddies hunt. Are
Speaker 1: you guys, is it. Do you guys think that's going
Speaker 1: to start to take a toll on age class? You know,
Speaker 1: these deer leaving. How's that going to affect like the
Speaker 1: future of some Kansas. Do you hunting lease in this here?
Speaker 1: I know you guys, you know, got pretty tight wraps
Speaker 1: on some of the stuff between you, but your other
Speaker 1: piece down south and some of the other you know,
Speaker 1: leases that you have. It seems like there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people around. The edges or the fringes are just around.
Speaker 2: In general, neighbors are key. You know. Brock and I've
Speaker 2: been together for a long time, so we have pieces here. Rodney,
Speaker 2: a good friend of ours, cross Road, has a lot
Speaker 2: of land. We fortunately have a lot of land in
Speaker 2: the South area, several thousand acres down south. Fortunate that
Speaker 2: four hundred acres that you guys are hunting. I have
Speaker 2: a great neighbor to the east that owns about a
Speaker 2: thousand acres in there. We have great neighbor to the
Speaker 2: south that owns about ten thousand acres and they don't
Speaker 2: really hunt a lot. But yeah, you know up here,
Speaker 2: I remember starting to hunt. You could draw every year.
Speaker 2: Now I'm a non resident landowner, so I get a tag,
Speaker 2: but we have a couple of other buddies a hunt
Speaker 2: with us. That used to you got to tag every year,
Speaker 2: and now it's every couple of years, every once every
Speaker 2: you know, you won't draw once every four years. I
Speaker 2: hear that it's going to get a lot tougher, you know,
Speaker 2: Iowa is one of those. You know, I think a
Speaker 2: lot of us would live and out if we could
Speaker 2: just to be a resident because it's such good deer hunting.
Speaker 2: But what hurts us here? I think and Rock I
Speaker 2: think you'll agree. You can only kill one deer and
Speaker 2: one buck. One buck, Yeah, you can kill one buck,
Speaker 2: and of course you kill a few doughs, and people
Speaker 2: don't like to shoot dose. We try to. Rock is
Speaker 2: not a dole killer, but I joke with him. But
Speaker 2: you know, you come up here and the thing you're
Speaker 2: trying to do, and you mentioned it earlier, Jason, is
Speaker 2: you're trying to kill that big deer. And everybody wants
Speaker 2: to kill that big deer. When a five and a
Speaker 2: half six and a half year old eight point walks
Speaker 2: by you, and we've talked about that first deer that
Speaker 2: walk by you, nobody wants to shoot that deer because
Speaker 2: they're all worried about I want to shoot a one
Speaker 2: seventy when shooting a six and a half year old
Speaker 2: eight point is that's something special? Now that deer you
Speaker 2: think about has lived six and a half years and
Speaker 2: he didn't get there being done. And and so you
Speaker 2: have guys coming in here wanting to kill that one
Speaker 2: big deer and we're getting overrun with eight points nine
Speaker 2: points that are five and six and a half years old.
Speaker 2: Where but because you can only kill one buck deer,
Speaker 2: you know, so brock and eye between as we have
Speaker 2: several cameras running, we're looking at so many deer going, man,
Speaker 2: that deer needs to be shot. That deer needs to
Speaker 2: be shot.
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy the mentality. We talked about it
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, somebody, you'd rather come down
Speaker 1: here and shoot a two and a half year old
Speaker 1: ten point than the six and a half year old
Speaker 1: eight point. And it's just, you know, we we fight
Speaker 1: it out west you're hunting. It's like, why am I
Speaker 1: looking for the perfect little four point that may only
Speaker 1: be three and a half years old when I should
Speaker 1: be shooting the six and a half year old you know,
Speaker 1: four x three that has crab cloth forks, like that's
Speaker 1: that's the trophy, and uh, it's not doing anything for
Speaker 1: your genetics. Let's roll into you guys like that south piece.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many you know, dirks out all week.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many mature aids he saw. Do
Speaker 1: you guys feel that that's affecting like genetic potential down
Speaker 1: the road at some point, like all these aids and
Speaker 1: then you know you're shooting every ten off of the
Speaker 1: off of the place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's affecting the genetics long term.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're.
Speaker 3: You're letting to say that like that six year old
Speaker 3: five and a half, six year old eight point, he's
Speaker 3: running off. You're you're good and mature or I say
Speaker 3: mature three and a half year old. That's ten or
Speaker 3: twelve points. He's not being able to breathe the doze
Speaker 3: there because at eight points, just calling like a like
Speaker 3: a bully buck, like he's just a tank, like well,
Speaker 3: he's close to three hundred pounds and just running everything off,
Speaker 3: just having a heyday because nothing's gonna push him around.
Speaker 2: I mean, and and Dirk, Dirk did not shoot one
Speaker 2: of those bucks. And you know we give him a
Speaker 2: little hard time. I love Dirk's to death, but now
Speaker 2: I did have a couple of hit bucks in there,
Speaker 2: I would have loved to see him shoot. And I
Speaker 2: think if the weather would have, you know, been right,
Speaker 2: he would have killed one of those. The stand that
Speaker 2: he hunted most of the time is an unbelievable stand,
Speaker 2: and he saw a lot of good mature eights, and
Speaker 2: I hope he comes back later in the year, and
Speaker 2: if he, hopefully he'll kill one of those. But here
Speaker 2: in this piece, Brock and I have several good ten
Speaker 2: points and we watch them. Unfortunately we don't shoot them
Speaker 2: until they get mature. But we also have a ton
Speaker 2: of big eights back here, and Brock and I both
Speaker 2: we've not killed a deer this year. We don't get
Speaker 2: too worried about it because we got till December. We'll
Speaker 2: both kill one. But the good thing about Brock and
Speaker 2: I both, if we don't kill hit buck that I've
Speaker 2: got and I've got a one hundred and seventy inch buck,
Speaker 2: and so does he. If we don't before Christmas, we'll
Speaker 2: kill him mature eight apiece and be happy with it.
Speaker 2: You know, you look around the wall here and you
Speaker 2: see a bunch of one sixties and one seventies. But
Speaker 2: I'm as thrilled to kill a six and a half
Speaker 2: year old eight you know that weighs three hundred pounds.
Speaker 2: I'll shoot him all day long if it gets down
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 3: Well, even like last year, going back to the buck
Speaker 3: that I shot last year, he wasn't as good as
Speaker 3: buck as the buck that was right underneath me. And
Speaker 3: I would venture to say nine out of ten guys
Speaker 3: would have shot though it was a wide ten point
Speaker 3: frame was good. And I'm like, man, he looks like
Speaker 3: he's a four and a half year old deer and
Speaker 3: this other deer is you know, it had to be
Speaker 3: wed sent his teeth then we haven't got the results
Speaker 3: back yet, but it had to be six seven years old,
Speaker 3: you know, And so I'm going to shoot the older deer.
Speaker 3: I mean, who knows what this four and a half
Speaker 3: year old could could grow into next year? You know
Speaker 3: sometimes at backfires, I haven't seen him this year. I
Speaker 3: know he made it through rifle season and through the season,
Speaker 3: but I haven't seen him. Maybe he picked up, moved on,
Speaker 3: or something happened to him, but you definitely won't see
Speaker 3: him if he shoot him as a four and a
Speaker 3: half year old, you know, so he.
Speaker 2: Knows a great thing about that. Brock Scott over on
Speaker 2: his place. A beautiful deer that's got a third main being,
Speaker 2: but he's got an older ten point that's probably not
Speaker 2: gonna score as well. But he's big, heavy, mature, and
Speaker 2: you know, Brock, a couple of days ago it was like,
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna shoot the big ten instead of
Speaker 2: the other deer that might be five and a half,
Speaker 2: but he may be four and a half. You know,
Speaker 2: those are kind of things to us. That's fun because
Speaker 2: we get to see as he coming back next.
Speaker 1: Year yeap, you know, yeah, we I got to sit
Speaker 1: in a stand with Randy. He let me go sitting
Speaker 1: a stand with him to try to kill his big
Speaker 1: deer one day when we had a decent wind and
Speaker 1: we had kind of a surprise buck show up. And
Speaker 1: this is where you guys keeping tabs and picture and everything,
Speaker 1: you had to buck show up with a bunch of
Speaker 1: extra points. When I first spotted him, I'm like, ah,
Speaker 1: we got a little buck coming, and I just bought
Speaker 1: him with my naked eyes. Well, Rand, he had already
Speaker 1: thrown his binos up He's like Jason, that deer's got
Speaker 1: a lot of extra points, like that might be a
Speaker 1: good one. Well, I put my binokas up. Well at
Speaker 1: that time, you know, his his fall coat. Aging him
Speaker 1: it was tough across the way. And I think we
Speaker 1: would have, you know, if you would have came all
Speaker 1: the way in, we would have been able to age
Speaker 1: him really well. But you know, we're already flipping through
Speaker 1: pictures as he's coming in, and you're like, that's that
Speaker 1: old deer, and you brock out a picture of him
Speaker 1: down in his place, you know, one picture at night.
Speaker 1: I think you said, didn't look that old. But then
Speaker 1: you get a daytime picture of him. He's like white faced,
Speaker 1: you know, sunken neck, and you're like, that dear is ancient,
Speaker 1: you know. And and when then we had a conversation
Speaker 1: in the blind, you're like, I might have shot that
Speaker 1: deer and seen what my mid one seventies buck turned
Speaker 1: into next year. So it's this game you're playing, like
Speaker 1: do you shoot your one seventies buck this year or
Speaker 1: could he turn into that one ninety or two hundred.
Speaker 1: And you guys are always trying to play that game
Speaker 1: when you have it so good and so many options
Speaker 1: that you're like, you shoot the one seventies that.
Speaker 2: Deer come into sixty yards And I told you I
Speaker 2: was gonna I grab, I got my bow. I was
Speaker 2: going to shoot that deer. He's got uh double G
Speaker 2: threes spl G two, split G two's split G three's everything,
Speaker 2: and and uh, you know that's what's fun. It's texting
Speaker 2: Brock as he was coming up the field. Hey, you
Speaker 2: know the deer with all the split G send me
Speaker 2: a picture of him. And you know we're sitting here
Speaker 2: having a talk while the deer's walking up the field.
Speaker 2: You know that deer's ancient. And uh yeah, I was
Speaker 2: gonna shoot that deer if he came in and we
Speaker 2: had a little marginal wind and and he didn't run
Speaker 2: off or anything. He's in there. So uh if he
Speaker 2: if he comes in before my big deer comes in,
Speaker 2: I will kill him. And see what the other one does.
Speaker 1: You know I would I would be I'd be an
Speaker 1: anxious ball. I would just I would be a mess
Speaker 1: because he's like, do you want to shoot one seventies bucks?
Speaker 1: Is he's gonna leave next year? Is he gonna come
Speaker 1: back bigger? Is he going to die? Is you know,
Speaker 1: it's like what what decisions do you make? But at
Speaker 1: some point you you just roll the dice and you
Speaker 1: guys have so many up and comers, you know, on
Speaker 1: the same piece he said, you have another you know,
Speaker 1: Grete ten that's an up and comers. So there's it's
Speaker 1: always going to reload. But it's like, man to get
Speaker 1: to that. You know, if you got a buck that's
Speaker 1: put together the right genetics, is your one seventy's going
Speaker 1: to turn into that one ninety next year and you
Speaker 1: know what level you're trying to get him to or
Speaker 1: you just looking at age class like let's go those
Speaker 1: five's to seven's and leave it at that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're we're a h class in big time. But
Speaker 2: this steer is one hundred and sixty inch steer that's
Speaker 2: probably seven and a half years old that I'm hoping
Speaker 2: has done a lot of breeding with all the split
Speaker 2: splits he's got, and uh he's been honest pretty much
Speaker 2: this this year. But they didn't have a picture of
Speaker 2: him until this year, and he's lived on us. You know.
Speaker 1: Well, uh so we're the rut's going to kind of
Speaker 1: wind down here over the next what ten days, twelve days.
Speaker 2: That Thanksgiving it'll be over.
Speaker 1: I think so you guys will transition. I mean, Brock
Speaker 1: kind of hunts the same stands right or not right?
Speaker 1: Do you have some standing? But are you guys going
Speaker 1: to switch more back into that patterning, you know, back
Speaker 1: to the cameras, trying to figure how do you guys
Speaker 1: move your hunt, you know, from here on to the
Speaker 1: end of the year.
Speaker 3: Reny and I kind of talked earlier. It's like, you know,
Speaker 3: we both love the rutt, getting out seeing what's happening,
Speaker 3: what's moving, But if you've got a target buck or two,
Speaker 3: the rut is nerve racking because you're like, man, I
Speaker 3: hope he doesn't run over to the neighbors that aren't
Speaker 3: on the same game plan and he gets you know,
Speaker 3: smoked over on the neighbors. So a lot of times,
Speaker 3: you know, we'd like to have him shot before the
Speaker 3: rut so that we don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 3: But then you're kind of nervous through the whole rut
Speaker 3: and I hope he doesn't get wonder too far from
Speaker 3: home base here. And then then after the rut, you know,
Speaker 3: they've become more patternable again, coming back into food sources,
Speaker 3: and so it just changes things up. But yeah, the
Speaker 3: rut can be. It's it used to be more fun
Speaker 3: when I was a kid and didn't have Target Bucks
Speaker 3: and just go and have fun. When you've got a
Speaker 3: Target Bucks and running cameras, it's like, man, it's just
Speaker 3: so nerve racking. You know, you're waking up seeing if
Speaker 3: he was in there at night or still around, you know,
Speaker 3: and not shot or flew the coop to the neighbor's doze.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny as too, is my big deer.
Speaker 2: I hadn't had a hadn't had a picture of him
Speaker 2: about three days. And you know, I know they're up
Speaker 2: with dose. But Brock went looked at a camera yesterday
Speaker 2: and my big deer's on Brock right now, which is good.
Speaker 2: That's where I want him to be. He's either on me.
Speaker 2: And what's funny is Brock won't go shoot him, you know.
Speaker 2: And if his deer shows up on me, it's sad.
Speaker 2: I tell him yesterday, well, if he walks under me,
Speaker 2: I won't shoot him. I'll take a picture. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's good friendship there. Now, we both have a couple
Speaker 2: buddies that would shoot that deer, but we won't. But
Speaker 2: you know, you dirks, last year missed a big deer
Speaker 2: down on what we call the killing Tree. And it's
Speaker 2: got the name killing tree for a reason. And it's
Speaker 2: a four acre food plot that's half in clover and
Speaker 2: this year it's half in turnips and some other stuff.
Speaker 2: And after this rain it looks great. And I've got
Speaker 2: a fifteen foot redneck sitting there, and uh, when it
Speaker 2: gets really cold, Uh, that place will fill up and
Speaker 2: I'll get to see most of the hit bucks and
Speaker 2: just you know, see what's left. And and I'll probably
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I'll probably kill my deer right
Speaker 2: there later in the season, come.
Speaker 1: Back to more patable, more food sources.
Speaker 2: They got to eat after this rut that weight back on.
Speaker 1: Well where do we what else do you guys got
Speaker 1: anything else on the on the agenda, just finishing out white?
Speaker 1: So you got one thing you guys have to do here.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not uh preaching to you guys, but man,
Speaker 1: you guys have more coyotes than anywhere I get. I
Speaker 1: get the fortune to hunt all over the place. You
Speaker 1: guys are loaded up with kyote.
Speaker 2: You know I was talking to Steve. You know your
Speaker 2: boss Ranell and and uh, he's a huge trapper. You know,
Speaker 2: I've kind of read about him a little bit, you know,
Speaker 2: he's been here a couple of times, and and I
Speaker 2: didn't realize how good a trapper he is. And and
Speaker 2: I've been telling you, man, you need to come and
Speaker 2: spend twenty days here and just trap Brock is kyote
Speaker 2: machine over here.
Speaker 3: He not enough, you know, not enough.
Speaker 2: But you know, critters, coons, you know, I grew up
Speaker 2: coon hunting as a kid growing up, and we've got
Speaker 2: way too many coons because we're big turkey hunters, as
Speaker 2: you know. You know, you guys have a great call
Speaker 2: group there, and y'all been down to your turkey hunting
Speaker 2: and we've just got to kill a lot of coons
Speaker 2: and coyotes and stuff and bobcats. We're just overrun. I
Speaker 2: watched MoMA and three Kittens the other day, you know,
Speaker 2: out not far from one of my stands. And Brock
Speaker 2: and I we like to kill our deer because then
Speaker 2: we get serious about calling Kyle's Brock's a great caller
Speaker 2: with a colt area, so we'll get after him pretty soon.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I was joking, it'd be fun to come
Speaker 1: out here maybe February and just bring a call and
Speaker 1: a gun.
Speaker 3: And in February you can have thermals too. So I
Speaker 3: just built that twenty two arc. I've got a daytime
Speaker 3: scope on it right now, making sure it's gonna shoot
Speaker 3: the way I want it to and uh and then
Speaker 3: it then it will have the thermal on it come
Speaker 3: then into December. So I'm ready for January one.
Speaker 1: One will be fun. Well, like I say, uh, I'm
Speaker 1: no exaggeration when this white tail hunt has turned into
Speaker 1: one of my favorites. You know, the group of guys,
Speaker 1: we get to hang out with the land. You know,
Speaker 1: we get to get to hunt and just the camaraderie
Speaker 1: is awesome. We we can't thank you guys enough. You know,
Speaker 1: God willing will draw again, and uh, you'll be able
Speaker 1: to come back out next year if.
Speaker 2: We can get the right rain in the next couple
Speaker 2: of years. I'm excited about our our young deer crop
Speaker 2: that I've seen. I sat on the stand last night
Speaker 2: and saw a beautiful ten point. You know that's neats
Speaker 2: a couple of years. But I think Brock and I've
Speaker 2: got some great deer and see what happens. So you
Speaker 2: guys come out.
Speaker 1: Really appreciate your Andi and Brock. You guys take care
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm sure you guys will fill your TA
Speaker 1: some giants before this year is over, Alright, Thanks you guys,
Speaker 1: Thank you. M m m m m