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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. We

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Speaker 1: are back at one of my what's become one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite hunts. We are hunting whitetail here in Kansas

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Speaker 1: with our good buddy Randy Mulligan and Brock Shelton. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show, guys.

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Speaker 2: Glad to be here.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, thanks for having us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it's always a great time. You always.

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Speaker 1: I've told this joke a bunch. I always thought I

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Speaker 1: was gonna white til hunt when I got old and

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Speaker 1: couldn't meal deer hunter, elk hunt anymore. But this is

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Speaker 1: truly turned into one of my favorite hunts of the year.

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Speaker 1: We get to come out here, sit in a tree, watch, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, God's green earth wake up and birds chirp

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Speaker 1: and turkeys do their thing, white tail rut and it's

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Speaker 1: it's been a blast. And can't thank you guys enough

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Speaker 1: for everything. You guys do. You know year around, you know,

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Speaker 1: make sure the white tail hunting is good.

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Speaker 2: Well, you kind of hit it rough this year with

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Speaker 2: a you're pretty much locked down first, you know, the

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Speaker 2: first two days, I think you saw a lot of

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Speaker 2: rutting and running, and then the last couple of days

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Speaker 2: it's been a little bit slower just because they've been

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Speaker 2: locked down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's uh so, Kansas in general has been

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Speaker 1: you know, you guys have had what two or three

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Speaker 1: years of what you guys would consider drought, let's.

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Speaker 3: Say three years brouh yea, yeah, I would say three.

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Speaker 3: We've been below average the last three years.

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Speaker 1: So you know, since we've been coming here, you know,

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Speaker 1: since you gave us the invite, graciously gave us the

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Speaker 1: invite a couple of years ago to come out here

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Speaker 1: and start deer hunting, we've kind of deer hunted to

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Speaker 1: that drought. And you know, there's still been good bucks around,

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Speaker 1: great bucks round. This year, you guys finally got a

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Speaker 1: bunch of spring rain, maybe too much rain at times,

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Speaker 1: but seem to have some some good horn growth. And

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Speaker 1: you know, as we were watching you know, pictures and

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Speaker 1: really good good dear maybe more good deer you know

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Speaker 1: around this year than than normal.

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Speaker 2: I think we had to really struggled this year if

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Speaker 2: we wouldn't have got the rain we did in the spring.

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Speaker 2: And we've gotten a few inches here in the last

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks it's helped a lot. I'll be honest

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Speaker 2: with you. I didn't know if we were going to

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Speaker 2: get a fall plot up, but we got about five

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Speaker 2: inches in the last fifteen days. And I know, looking

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Speaker 2: at brocks plots in mind, they're all greening up. So

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Speaker 2: we're pretty excited about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that also helped put a little water in

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Speaker 3: the creeks for the deer chasing. Does they can stop

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Speaker 3: by the creeks, get a drink and helps everything.

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Speaker 2: Water is the key, I mean it really is for us.

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Speaker 2: And again when you have a three year drought, it

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Speaker 2: makes it tough. I mean we've been putting water in

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Speaker 2: buckets and everything else to try to make sure they

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Speaker 1: I know the stand I hunted out of this year

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Speaker 1: that I've hunted quite a bit, that little creek that

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Speaker 1: was behind me is flowing full. You know where years

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Speaker 1: past there's maybe some puddles on the corner. It's good

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Speaker 1: also for summer water. It helps prevent you know, the

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Speaker 1: CWD and all the things they can get from all

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Speaker 1: happen to you know, concentrate it water sources. Right, So

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Speaker 1: did you guys, were you guys able to avoid you

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Speaker 1: some of your deer this summer as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've not seen I know, I've heard of

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Speaker 2: a few dead deer. I know last year, last summer,

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Speaker 2: all the farmers, including myself Brock, we all did We

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Speaker 2: had our ponds dug out. I've been here twenty years

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Speaker 2: and this pond behind our house I've never seen dry,

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Speaker 2: and it was dry last year. So we brought in

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Speaker 2: you know guys to dig these ponds out, and now

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Speaker 2: they're all full. But we've got a couple of spring

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Speaker 2: So we've been fortunate right in this area. But I

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Speaker 2: so it's tough, but it's tough a lot of places.

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Speaker 1: You know, What do you guys brought, what do you

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Speaker 3: I would say currently they're probably holding steady, if anything,

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Speaker 3: maybe a little bit of decline. But water is the key,

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Speaker 3: and I think a lot of people don't realize that

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Speaker 3: Creeks dried up, and farmers were worried about you know, hey,

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Speaker 3: you know. And then fortunately, like Rainy said, we've had

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Speaker 2: I replanted my plots twice, you know, it came in

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Speaker 2: You know, I jokingly you always say any of us

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Speaker 2: can be a weather person. You just got to be

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Speaker 2: fifty percent right, and most of the jobs you can't

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Speaker 2: do that. But I drilled all of ours three days before.

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Speaker 2: We had a one hundred percent chance of rain we

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Speaker 2: ours is looking pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very excited. We got some what inch inch and

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Speaker 1: a half. They're our second and third day of the hunt.

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Speaker 1: You know that that night helped out, and it looks like

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Speaker 2: Tonight they're calling from one to two.

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Speaker 1: So is that going to be enough to finish off

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Speaker 3: Should go ahead and get those were playing in mostly

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Speaker 3: hopefully we get some cooler weather. We've been as you know,

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Speaker 3: we've been having some warm weather and that doesn't help

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Speaker 3: I was gonna go to next. The turn ups need

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Speaker 1: It's been warm and the wind hasn't been quite right.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm learning, but it sounds like from you know,

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Speaker 2: I always say, you've heard me say over and over weather,

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Speaker 2: Trump's everything. And uh, two years ago, you're up here

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Speaker 2: it's November the seventeenth, and I think we've had too

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Speaker 2: full moon, which I like the full moon. I've always

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Speaker 2: enjoyed hunting the full moon. Uh, but the weather trumps

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Speaker 2: I know it's been tough for Dirk this week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that warm weather. Yeah, just it just

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Speaker 1: would say more midday than we were at times, and

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Speaker 1: he was seeing some good movement from that full moon.

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Speaker 1: You know, midday on these warm days, it's kind of

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Speaker 2: But well, the guys that hunt here, like Brian and

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Speaker 2: myself Brock, if on a full moon like this type

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Speaker 2: of full moon, I'd rather hunt at October full moon.

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Speaker 2: But this full moon you'll see us setting in the

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Speaker 2: middle of the day. You know, Brian probably didn't even

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Speaker 2: knowing they're gonna move there in today, and and and

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Speaker 2: but again. You watch the moon, you watch the weather again. Brock,

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Speaker 2: I think is gonna take a couple of days off

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Speaker 2: at nine North kill a big deer. He'll kill a

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Speaker 2: big deer next week. I'm betting on it.

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Speaker 1: And that's one of the I mean, we talk about

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Speaker 1: It's like when you hear you gotta hunt where Brock,

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Speaker 1: you're living on his place. He's like, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to waste my time. And so you're

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Speaker 1: waiting for the opportunity coming next week.

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Speaker 3: And I'm one of these guys. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: mess it up and run the deer off, boogriam out

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Speaker 3: and not see him again. So a lot of times

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Speaker 3: it's better for me to wait until all the conditions

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Speaker 2: We do not hunt the bad wind. You know, Fortunately,

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Speaker 2: I am four and a half hours away, and many

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Speaker 2: a time Brock and I probably talk on the phone

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Speaker 2: every single day, and you know, hey, we got a

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Speaker 2: front coming in, I'll take off work. I'm here. But

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Speaker 2: Brock is fortunate because and Brock's a great hunter. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we just do not hunt the bad wind. And he's fortunate.

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Speaker 2: We may go a whole week, he may go a

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Speaker 2: whole week not set on a stand because and it

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Speaker 2: may have a big deer coming in there every day,

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Speaker 2: but bad wind not going to go. And as soon

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Speaker 2: as he gets one. I've done Brock twenty years, and

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Speaker 2: I'll bet you I know several of the big deer

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Speaker 2: he's killed on one set.

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Speaker 1: Yep. First, you know it seems to be you know,

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Speaker 1: the others do that as well. You know, they're they're

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Speaker 1: sure their approaches right, the wind's right, you know, for

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Speaker 1: So they're not They're not only gonna feed with the

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Speaker 2: I've killed some good deer on that stand, and that's

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Speaker 1: have killed some other deer in there that, you know,

431
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,439
Speaker 1: because by day two the corn was all gone. So

432
00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,359
Speaker 1: I sat that stand later and there's still deer just

433
00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,280
Speaker 1: naturally using that. We've seen just as many deer, just

434
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,400
Speaker 1: not you know, there was a three and a half

435
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,000
Speaker 1: year old nine point that went through there. We could

436
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,680
Speaker 1: have killed him, you know, so it's just a natural

437
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,879
Speaker 1: point for him. But it you know, since we've been

438
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:50,360
Speaker 1: coming here, you know, you were very you know, you

439
00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,240
Speaker 1: let me hunt that stand. So Randy the way, Randy's property,

440
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,800
Speaker 1: he's got some stuff only he hunts, and he had

441
00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,800
Speaker 1: killed his buck that year and let me go hunt

442
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:03,000
Speaker 1: some of his good stuff. And we we were, you know,

443
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,000
Speaker 1: talking on that one. A lot of these big bucks,

444
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,680
Speaker 1: they're smart enough, they know which way the wind's blowing.

445
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 1: They just know the does are maybe checking out some

446
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,680
Speaker 1: of this food. They're just what eighty hundred yards down

447
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 1: when they're trying to cover as much dough ground as

448
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,400
Speaker 1: they you know, lay lay sent to, you know, pick

449
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 1: up the scent of some does. So they're not even

450
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,720
Speaker 1: going through there, you unless there's a dough on there

451
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:23,919
Speaker 1: if they want to come check her out.

452
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 2: And I love about that set you're on. If you

453
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,479
Speaker 2: see him, you can normally shoot him if you can

454
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 2: shoot your bow pretty decent, you know, if you can

455
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,560
Speaker 2: shoot out to fifteen sixty yards, if you see the buck,

456
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 2: you can kill him from there. And that's what's nice.

457
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's go through my white tail setup. I

458
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,159
Speaker 1: just got a new dart and thirty five set up.

459
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 1: I don't change my elk setup, so I'm the odd

460
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 1: man out. I'm still shooting those iron roll one twenty

461
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 1: five's and I had a pretty quartering away shot, probably

462
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 1: forty five degrees, but the buck was, you know, still,

463
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,119
Speaker 1: and I was very confident in that shot, and I

464
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 1: probably went in fifth or sixth red back and lodged

465
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,639
Speaker 1: the broadhead into his front shoulder and very good blood

466
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,360
Speaker 1: trail for only one hole in them, you know. And

467
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: I've been knock on wood on this table and we're

468
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 1: sitting on mad I would. Fortunately, so far in Kansas,

469
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 1: I've been able to watch all of my bucks, you know, die,

470
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 1: And that buck was dead within ten seconds. Max ran off,

471
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 1: and uh you know, I was able to wait for

472
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 1: for Randy and Brock to come recover. It's always fun

473
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,479
Speaker 1: when you can do it as a group and take

474
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 1: some good pictures. And uh yeah it was. It was

475
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,360
Speaker 1: my best Kansas buck so far, you know, not a

476
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: not a giant, but a mature old deer. And uh,

477
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 1: I say, if you keep killing the big, too big

478
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 1: a one too early, you're never going to kill better ones.

479
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to slowly, slowly climb the ladder

480
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 1: here and uh a good buck there.

481
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 2: Well, you know, anytime you kill a deer in the

482
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: one fifties, which I brought your deer was, you got

483
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 2: to be excited. I mean, growing up the way I

484
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 2: did in Arkansas and I still live in Arkansas. I

485
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 2: mean we're driving around, you know, a three point on

486
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: the back of my truck and thinking that you know,

487
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 2: a giant and now you know, Brock and I've been

488
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 2: fortunate and we've hunted up here so long. We'll pass

489
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 2: one fifties if they're not mature. And I think, gosh,

490
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 2: I wud have never done that, yeah, thirty years ago,

491
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 2: but we do.

492
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 1: Oh, we're I know that I'm spoiled. Like you know,

493
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: watch you you learn about whitetail hunting for me from

494
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: out west on the on the outdoor Channel, and you're like, man,

495
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: Randy's got you know, we're killing bucks bigger than most

496
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:23,959
Speaker 1: of that.

497
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 2: You know.

498
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: It's it's a pretty special place. And uh, I'm extremely

499
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: thankful to get to, you know, to hunt a place

500
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 1: like this. But let's run into the patterning, which you know,

501
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: you guys talked about maybe why you're you're in there

502
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 1: October and then we've been talking about it a lot,

503
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 1: like just rut specific stands, you know, setting your property

504
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: up for that, you know, the observation. You know, we

505
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: talked about it a little bit before the podcast. Randy

506
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: was sitting in a you know, a marginal wins. So

507
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: Randy's being forced to he wants to hunt his big buck,

508
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: but kind of you know, off of the the epicenter

509
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: of where he is, so he's kind of just sitting

510
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: in the fringes. But in your obs are you're seeing

511
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: tons of deer movement. You know, I think you had

512
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: a twenty plus buck day, and you observe where all

513
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: these deer wanting to go if you had to kill

514
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 1: these deer, where you need to be and you you know,

515
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: you two ended up setting this new stand up a

516
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: couple of days ago and you know, moving to that stand,

517
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: which to me, you know, it seems like we're hunting

518
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, historical stands, but you guys

519
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: went set up a new stand and then hunted it

520
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: the next day.

521
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 2: You know, Brock I will say that he has a

522
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: couple of hundred acres that I would say is probably

523
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 2: as good as deer hunting I've ever been on and

524
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 2: I'm fortunate I touch him, so I'm pretty much around

525
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: him there, and I did. I had an unbelievable day

526
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: and I saw twenty five bucks in one morning, and

527
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 2: I know people say, oh, that's I actually count them.

528
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm watching them with binoculars, and they

529
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: seem to be coming out one piece of ground that

530
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 2: I own. I'm setting on a piece between me and Brock,

531
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 2: right on the property line. And I watched these deer

532
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: in there. They're all coming out of the same set

533
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 2: of woods, which is the same set of woods my

534
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: big deers in Uh. So we snuck in today before yesterday,

535
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: and I know you guys wanted to go with us

536
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 2: and Brocking our little you know, paranoid a little bit.

537
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: We go in together, just me and him. We try

538
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: to keep her sent down. We literally barely talk while.

539
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: We're in there, trying to be quite as anything together.

540
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 2: I joke Brocks my tree hanger. He can hang a

541
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 2: tree stand in about thirty minutes and we got up there.

542
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: I handed him everything. We set it up right where

543
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 2: it was, but it was right where I'd been watching

544
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: these deer, and Brock and I went straight over there,

545
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 2: got up in the tree hung it, and the next morning,

546
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 2: yesterday morning, I hunted it and had a great hunt.

547
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: And every buck that I saw, and I saw several,

548
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 2: I could have killed every one of them, and not

549
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 2: one of them winded me. Just just us analyzing that

550
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: situation so.

551
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 3: Well, was pretty cool about that whole setup too. Is

552
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 3: we got over there, he knew where he needed to be,

553
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: and so we we eased in there and looked at

554
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 3: some different trees. And I always liked going off a

555
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 3: history too. And we're sitting there looking and it's like

556
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 3: looking at an oak tree and like, well, that tree

557
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: looks pretty good. I said, look, look there's railroad spikes

558
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 3: in there. Somebody used to have already use it years ago.

559
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 3: And it was the neighbor. Neighbor neighbor guy, his boy

560
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 3: put it up. Shoot, it had to be thirty plus

561
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 3: years ago.

562
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: You know.

563
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 3: It's I'm like, well, this is probably going to be

564
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 3: where you need to be. Looks like it'd be a

565
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 3: good spot. So you know, you're we've talked.

566
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: Your property doesn't lend itself real well, like saddle type hunting,

567
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: you know, or like instant tree climbing, So you got

568
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: to go do a little bit bit of that prep

569
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: work and you know, cut all your shooting lanes in

570
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 1: and you know, it seems to be real brushy. If

571
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: you were to climb a tree, you're probably not be

572
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: able to shoot real great out of it unless you're

573
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: on a field edge.

574
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: So well we take you know, a fortunately got us

575
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 2: steal battery post saw and it doesn't make a lot

576
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: of noise. And so you know, Brock got up there,

577
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: hung it really quick and say hey cut this, cut this.

578
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: So we trimmed everything up and and we don't cut

579
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff. I mean, it's kind of tough

580
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: getting up in that tree because we left so much stuff.

581
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: Keep the cover in it, you keep the cover.

582
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,479
Speaker 2: And uh, like I said, I saw numerous bucks yesterday morning.

583
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: Never never got seen. And we wear first light clothes,

584
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 2: you know, and I had a couple several dos right

585
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: under me, and and uh so fortunate. I'm looking forward

586
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: to getting back and hunting that stand a little bit.

587
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: I think I think there's possibility a big deer to

588
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: die there someday.

589
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: Yep. And that was that was of specifically for these

590
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: south wind you needed a way to push in a

591
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: little tighter to your bucks core area. But you know,

592
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: keep that keep that winning good. One thing I'm noticing

593
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: around here. You know, we have a stand that dirt

594
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: hunted a couple of times that you know, not that

595
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: any stands here mind, I'm not getting the butt to

596
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: stand down below. I hunted down where the two creeks meet.

597
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: One thing we noticed there is the wind down. There's

598
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: a lot more swirly. Do you tend Do you guys

599
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: tend to keep your stands up on ridges if possible?

600
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: Or do you just have to play it where they're at?

601
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: And because you know, coming from home, we get all

602
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: these varying we get thermal plus, we get prevailing winds,

603
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: plus we get you know, around home, if you're in

604
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: a creek bottom, the wind almost always goes downstream because

605
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: the cool weather is pulling it down. Are you guys

606
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: trying to avoid that if possible? Or do you just

607
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: set ridges? Or what's the best way when you're putting

608
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: a stand.

609
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 3: If you can stay out of the bottoms, it's it's

610
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 3: the way to go, you know. And I know that

611
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 3: the deer love to travel on the bottoms because it's

612
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: to their advantage. The winds swirl and they can smell

613
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: everything in the bottom. But if you can get up

614
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: on the edge of kind of like where you killed

615
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 3: your deer. It's on a ridge, and you use that

616
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 3: terrain to your advantage, and you take away the advantage

617
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 3: the deer have think they have, you know, if you're

618
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 3: on the I'm thinking of the spot where I like

619
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: to hunt on my farm, and I actually had to

620
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: move it a little bit some circumstances, and I moved

621
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 3: my stand a little bit, and I'm now kind of

622
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 3: more down towards not on the top of the ridge,

623
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 3: but about halfway down. And it'll be the only year

624
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: that I'll have it there. As what I'll say, it's

625
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 3: gonna be changed before next year because it just swirls

626
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 3: too much. I mean, even on a especially in the

627
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 3: evening time where the thermals are coming down. It's not optimum.

628
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: That double set you're talking about that he got down into.

629
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: You know, a couple of years ago, you had a

630
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: wonderful hunt down there. I actually killed a deer down there,

631
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 2: but that morning it was really really cold, real cool.

632
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: So you won't see me going in there very often

633
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: unless it's real cold, and I normally go in there

634
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: when it's rut. They don't seem to smell as well

635
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: when they're rutting. But I'll rarely go in there when

636
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: it's not just just the cold. I can't hardly stand it.

637
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: It's all rising up. But it's a great sit. You know,

638
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: I got a food plot out there, and I know

639
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: the two years ago when you killed your deer again.

640
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: You have a tendency to shoot deer the first at

641
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: the first thirty minutes you got on a deer stand.

642
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: But you saw a lot of deer that morning in there. Yeah,

643
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: that's a great hunt.

644
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: That setup is amazing because you're in the draw between

645
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: two great ridgelines that the deer like the travel. You

646
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: got a crp field back to your back corner. You

647
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: got a big food plot. I think that you had

648
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: beans in it, and then you have a big horseshoe

649
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: bend in that creek that just like everything's perfect. It's

650
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: just the wind in there is just like a soup sandwich.

651
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: It just will not sit still. But still some great

652
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: hunts in there, and there's enough there's enough good wind

653
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: in there that if the deer approached from the right way,

654
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: you can kill it once again. It goes back to you.

655
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: We have to be on a stand somewhere, so at

656
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: least there you're you're maybe you know, only only giving

657
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: them ninety degreas a wind and just hope a deer

658
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: doesn't come from that way.

659
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: You know. Part of it is what we try to do.

660
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: We have enough sits set it's out there that that's

661
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: a perfect stand. When it's you get up a real

662
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: frosty morning, it's real clear, there's not a lot of wind.

663
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: Everything's going up, and man it can be. I've hunted

664
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: it before and seen fifteen eighteen bucks in there and

665
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: they're just going crazy. So it's but it's one of

666
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: those I might only sit twice a year. You know.

667
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: It's all about again, Brock and I say this over

668
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: and over, and I know a lot of people do weather.

669
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: Trump's everything to us, and and so we just have

670
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: to pay attention where we hunt.

671
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: Let's switch gears a little bit. You know, everybody seems

672
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: like everybody's talking about Kansas, and I think everybody's heard

673
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: about Kansas. Where you guys are talking that there's just

674
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, more hunting pressure here from outfitters, from neighboring

675
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: property owners letting their buddies and their buddies hunt. Are

676
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: you guys, is it. Do you guys think that's going

677
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: to start to take a toll on age class? You know,

678
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: these deer leaving. How's that going to affect like the

679
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: future of some Kansas. Do you hunting lease in this here?

680
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: I know you guys, you know, got pretty tight wraps

681
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: on some of the stuff between you, but your other

682
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,959
Speaker 1: piece down south and some of the other you know,

683
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: leases that you have. It seems like there's a lot

684
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: of people around. The edges or the fringes are just around.

685
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: In general, neighbors are key. You know. Brock and I've

686
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: been together for a long time, so we have pieces here. Rodney,

687
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: a good friend of ours, cross Road, has a lot

688
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: of land. We fortunately have a lot of land in

689
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: the South area, several thousand acres down south. Fortunate that

690
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: four hundred acres that you guys are hunting. I have

691
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: a great neighbor to the east that owns about a

692
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: thousand acres in there. We have great neighbor to the

693
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: south that owns about ten thousand acres and they don't

694
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: really hunt a lot. But yeah, you know up here,

695
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: I remember starting to hunt. You could draw every year.

696
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: Now I'm a non resident landowner, so I get a tag,

697
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: but we have a couple of other buddies a hunt

698
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: with us. That used to you got to tag every year,

699
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: and now it's every couple of years, every once every

700
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: you know, you won't draw once every four years. I

701
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: hear that it's going to get a lot tougher, you know,

702
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: Iowa is one of those. You know, I think a

703
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: lot of us would live and out if we could

704
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: just to be a resident because it's such good deer hunting.

705
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: But what hurts us here? I think and Rock I

706
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: think you'll agree. You can only kill one deer and

707
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: one buck. One buck, Yeah, you can kill one buck,

708
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: and of course you kill a few doughs, and people

709
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: don't like to shoot dose. We try to. Rock is

710
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: not a dole killer, but I joke with him. But

711
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: you know, you come up here and the thing you're

712
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: trying to do, and you mentioned it earlier, Jason, is

713
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: you're trying to kill that big deer. And everybody wants

714
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: to kill that big deer. When a five and a

715
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: half six and a half year old eight point walks

716
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: by you, and we've talked about that first deer that

717
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: walk by you, nobody wants to shoot that deer because

718
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 2: they're all worried about I want to shoot a one

719
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: seventy when shooting a six and a half year old

720
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: eight point is that's something special? Now that deer you

721
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: think about has lived six and a half years and

722
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: he didn't get there being done. And and so you

723
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: have guys coming in here wanting to kill that one

724
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: big deer and we're getting overrun with eight points nine

725
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: points that are five and six and a half years old.

726
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: Where but because you can only kill one buck deer,

727
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: you know, so brock and eye between as we have

728
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: several cameras running, we're looking at so many deer going, man,

729
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: that deer needs to be shot. That deer needs to

730
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: be shot.

731
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy the mentality. We talked about it

732
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, somebody, you'd rather come down

733
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: here and shoot a two and a half year old

734
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: ten point than the six and a half year old

735
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: eight point. And it's just, you know, we we fight

736
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: it out west you're hunting. It's like, why am I

737
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: looking for the perfect little four point that may only

738
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: be three and a half years old when I should

739
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: be shooting the six and a half year old you know,

740
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: four x three that has crab cloth forks, like that's

741
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: that's the trophy, and uh, it's not doing anything for

742
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: your genetics. Let's roll into you guys like that south piece.

743
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: I don't know how many you know, dirks out all week.

744
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: I don't know how many mature aids he saw. Do

745
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 1: you guys feel that that's affecting like genetic potential down

746
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: the road at some point, like all these aids and

747
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: then you know you're shooting every ten off of the

748
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 1: off of the place.

749
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's affecting the genetics long term.

750
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you're.

751
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 3: You're letting to say that like that six year old

752
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 3: five and a half, six year old eight point, he's

753
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 3: running off. You're you're good and mature or I say

754
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 3: mature three and a half year old. That's ten or

755
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 3: twelve points. He's not being able to breathe the doze

756
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 3: there because at eight points, just calling like a like

757
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 3: a bully buck, like he's just a tank, like well,

758
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: he's close to three hundred pounds and just running everything off,

759
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: just having a heyday because nothing's gonna push him around.

760
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: I mean, and and Dirk, Dirk did not shoot one

761
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: of those bucks. And you know we give him a

762
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: little hard time. I love Dirk's to death, but now

763
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 2: I did have a couple of hit bucks in there,

764
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: I would have loved to see him shoot. And I

765
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: think if the weather would have, you know, been right,

766
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 2: he would have killed one of those. The stand that

767
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: he hunted most of the time is an unbelievable stand,

768
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: and he saw a lot of good mature eights, and

769
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: I hope he comes back later in the year, and

770
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 2: if he, hopefully he'll kill one of those. But here

771
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: in this piece, Brock and I have several good ten

772
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: points and we watch them. Unfortunately we don't shoot them

773
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: until they get mature. But we also have a ton

774
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: of big eights back here, and Brock and I both

775
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: we've not killed a deer this year. We don't get

776
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: too worried about it because we got till December. We'll

777
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: both kill one. But the good thing about Brock and

778
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: I both, if we don't kill hit buck that I've

779
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: got and I've got a one hundred and seventy inch buck,

780
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: and so does he. If we don't before Christmas, we'll

781
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 2: kill him mature eight apiece and be happy with it.

782
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 2: You know, you look around the wall here and you

783
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: see a bunch of one sixties and one seventies. But

784
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: I'm as thrilled to kill a six and a half

785
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: year old eight you know that weighs three hundred pounds.

786
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 2: I'll shoot him all day long if it gets down

787
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: to it.

788
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 3: Well, even like last year, going back to the buck

789
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 3: that I shot last year, he wasn't as good as

790
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 3: buck as the buck that was right underneath me. And

791
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: I would venture to say nine out of ten guys

792
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: would have shot though it was a wide ten point

793
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 3: frame was good. And I'm like, man, he looks like

794
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 3: he's a four and a half year old deer and

795
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 3: this other deer is you know, it had to be

796
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 3: wed sent his teeth then we haven't got the results

797
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 3: back yet, but it had to be six seven years old,

798
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 3: you know, And so I'm going to shoot the older deer.

799
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 3: I mean, who knows what this four and a half

800
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: year old could could grow into next year? You know

801
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 3: sometimes at backfires, I haven't seen him this year. I

802
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 3: know he made it through rifle season and through the season,

803
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 3: but I haven't seen him. Maybe he picked up, moved on,

804
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: or something happened to him, but you definitely won't see

805
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 3: him if he shoot him as a four and a

806
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: half year old, you know, so he.

807
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: Knows a great thing about that. Brock Scott over on

808
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: his place. A beautiful deer that's got a third main being,

809
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: but he's got an older ten point that's probably not

810
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: gonna score as well. But he's big, heavy, mature, and

811
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: you know, Brock, a couple of days ago it was like,

812
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna shoot the big ten instead of

813
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: the other deer that might be five and a half,

814
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: but he may be four and a half. You know,

815
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: those are kind of things to us. That's fun because

816
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: we get to see as he coming back next.

817
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: Year yeap, you know, yeah, we I got to sit

818
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: in a stand with Randy. He let me go sitting

819
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: a stand with him to try to kill his big

820
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: deer one day when we had a decent wind and

821
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: we had kind of a surprise buck show up. And

822
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: this is where you guys keeping tabs and picture and everything,

823
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: you had to buck show up with a bunch of

824
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: extra points. When I first spotted him, I'm like, ah,

825
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: we got a little buck coming, and I just bought

826
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: him with my naked eyes. Well, Rand, he had already

827
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: thrown his binos up He's like Jason, that deer's got

828
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: a lot of extra points, like that might be a

829
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: good one. Well, I put my binokas up. Well at

830
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: that time, you know, his his fall coat. Aging him

831
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: it was tough across the way. And I think we

832
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: would have, you know, if you would have came all

833
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: the way in, we would have been able to age

834
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: him really well. But you know, we're already flipping through

835
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: pictures as he's coming in, and you're like, that's that

836
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: old deer, and you brock out a picture of him

837
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: down in his place, you know, one picture at night.

838
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: I think you said, didn't look that old. But then

839
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: you get a daytime picture of him. He's like white faced,

840
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, sunken neck, and you're like, that dear is ancient,

841
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: you know. And and when then we had a conversation

842
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: in the blind, you're like, I might have shot that

843
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: deer and seen what my mid one seventies buck turned

844
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: into next year. So it's this game you're playing, like

845
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: do you shoot your one seventies buck this year or

846
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: could he turn into that one ninety or two hundred.

847
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: And you guys are always trying to play that game

848
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: when you have it so good and so many options

849
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: that you're like, you shoot the one seventies that.

850
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: Deer come into sixty yards And I told you I

851
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: was gonna I grab, I got my bow. I was

852
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: going to shoot that deer. He's got uh double G

853
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: threes spl G two, split G two's split G three's everything,

854
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: and and uh, you know that's what's fun. It's texting

855
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: Brock as he was coming up the field. Hey, you

856
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: know the deer with all the split G send me

857
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: a picture of him. And you know we're sitting here

858
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 2: having a talk while the deer's walking up the field.

859
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: You know that deer's ancient. And uh yeah, I was

860
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: gonna shoot that deer if he came in and we

861
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 2: had a little marginal wind and and he didn't run

862
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: off or anything. He's in there. So uh if he

863
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 2: if he comes in before my big deer comes in,

864
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 2: I will kill him. And see what the other one does.

865
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: You know I would I would be I'd be an

866
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 1: anxious ball. I would just I would be a mess

867
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: because he's like, do you want to shoot one seventies bucks?

868
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: Is he's gonna leave next year? Is he gonna come

869
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: back bigger? Is he going to die? Is you know,

870
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: it's like what what decisions do you make? But at

871
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: some point you you just roll the dice and you

872
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: guys have so many up and comers, you know, on

873
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: the same piece he said, you have another you know,

874
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: Grete ten that's an up and comers. So there's it's

875
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: always going to reload. But it's like, man to get

876
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: to that. You know, if you got a buck that's

877
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: put together the right genetics, is your one seventy's going

878
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: to turn into that one ninety next year and you

879
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: know what level you're trying to get him to or

880
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: you just looking at age class like let's go those

881
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: five's to seven's and leave it at that.

882
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're we're a h class in big time. But

883
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: this steer is one hundred and sixty inch steer that's

884
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: probably seven and a half years old that I'm hoping

885
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 2: has done a lot of breeding with all the split

886
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: splits he's got, and uh he's been honest pretty much

887
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: this this year. But they didn't have a picture of

888
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: him until this year, and he's lived on us. You know.

889
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: Well, uh so we're the rut's going to kind of

890
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: wind down here over the next what ten days, twelve days.

891
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 2: That Thanksgiving it'll be over.

892
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: I think so you guys will transition. I mean, Brock

893
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: kind of hunts the same stands right or not right?

894
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: Do you have some standing? But are you guys going

895
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: to switch more back into that patterning, you know, back

896
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: to the cameras, trying to figure how do you guys

897
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: move your hunt, you know, from here on to the

898
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: end of the year.

899
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 3: Reny and I kind of talked earlier. It's like, you know,

900
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 3: we both love the rutt, getting out seeing what's happening,

901
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: what's moving, But if you've got a target buck or two,

902
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: the rut is nerve racking because you're like, man, I

903
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: hope he doesn't run over to the neighbors that aren't

904
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 3: on the same game plan and he gets you know,

905
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 3: smoked over on the neighbors. So a lot of times,

906
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 3: you know, we'd like to have him shot before the

907
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 3: rut so that we don't have to worry about that.

908
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 3: But then you're kind of nervous through the whole rut

909
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: and I hope he doesn't get wonder too far from

910
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: home base here. And then then after the rut, you know,

911
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 3: they've become more patternable again, coming back into food sources,

912
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 3: and so it just changes things up. But yeah, the

913
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 3: rut can be. It's it used to be more fun

914
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 3: when I was a kid and didn't have Target Bucks

915
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 3: and just go and have fun. When you've got a

916
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: Target Bucks and running cameras, it's like, man, it's just

917
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: so nerve racking. You know, you're waking up seeing if

918
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 3: he was in there at night or still around, you know,

919
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 3: and not shot or flew the coop to the neighbor's doze.

920
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: You know what's funny as too, is my big deer.

921
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: I hadn't had a hadn't had a picture of him

922
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: about three days. And you know, I know they're up

923
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: with dose. But Brock went looked at a camera yesterday

924
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 2: and my big deer's on Brock right now, which is good.

925
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: That's where I want him to be. He's either on me.

926
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: And what's funny is Brock won't go shoot him, you know.

927
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 2: And if his deer shows up on me, it's sad.

928
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: I tell him yesterday, well, if he walks under me,

929
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: I won't shoot him. I'll take a picture. I mean,

930
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 2: that's good friendship there. Now, we both have a couple

931
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: buddies that would shoot that deer, but we won't. But

932
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 2: you know, you dirks, last year missed a big deer

933
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 2: down on what we call the killing Tree. And it's

934
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 2: got the name killing tree for a reason. And it's

935
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: a four acre food plot that's half in clover and

936
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 2: this year it's half in turnips and some other stuff.

937
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: And after this rain it looks great. And I've got

938
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: a fifteen foot redneck sitting there, and uh, when it

939
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: gets really cold, Uh, that place will fill up and

940
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: I'll get to see most of the hit bucks and

941
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 2: just you know, see what's left. And and I'll probably

942
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I'll probably kill my deer right

943
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 2: there later in the season, come.

944
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: Back to more patable, more food sources.

945
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: They got to eat after this rut that weight back on.

946
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: Well where do we what else do you guys got

947
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 1: anything else on the on the agenda, just finishing out white?

948
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: So you got one thing you guys have to do here.

949
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not uh preaching to you guys, but man,

950
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: you guys have more coyotes than anywhere I get. I

951
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: get the fortune to hunt all over the place. You

952
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: guys are loaded up with kyote.

953
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: You know I was talking to Steve. You know your

954
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: boss Ranell and and uh, he's a huge trapper. You know,

955
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: I've kind of read about him a little bit, you know,

956
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: he's been here a couple of times, and and I

957
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 2: didn't realize how good a trapper he is. And and

958
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: I've been telling you, man, you need to come and

959
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 2: spend twenty days here and just trap Brock is kyote

960
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: machine over here.

961
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: He not enough, you know, not enough.

962
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: But you know, critters, coons, you know, I grew up

963
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 2: coon hunting as a kid growing up, and we've got

964
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 2: way too many coons because we're big turkey hunters, as

965
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 2: you know. You know, you guys have a great call

966
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: group there, and y'all been down to your turkey hunting

967
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: and we've just got to kill a lot of coons

968
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: and coyotes and stuff and bobcats. We're just overrun. I

969
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: watched MoMA and three Kittens the other day, you know,

970
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: out not far from one of my stands. And Brock

971
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: and I we like to kill our deer because then

972
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: we get serious about calling Kyle's Brock's a great caller

973
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: with a colt area, so we'll get after him pretty soon.

974
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: Oh no, I was joking, it'd be fun to come

975
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: out here maybe February and just bring a call and

976
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: a gun.

977
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 3: And in February you can have thermals too. So I

978
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 3: just built that twenty two arc. I've got a daytime

979
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 3: scope on it right now, making sure it's gonna shoot

980
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 3: the way I want it to and uh and then

981
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: it then it will have the thermal on it come

982
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: then into December. So I'm ready for January one.

983
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: One will be fun. Well, like I say, uh, I'm

984
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: no exaggeration when this white tail hunt has turned into

985
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 1: one of my favorites. You know, the group of guys,

986
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: we get to hang out with the land. You know,

987
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: we get to get to hunt and just the camaraderie

988
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: is awesome. We we can't thank you guys enough. You know,

989
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: God willing will draw again, and uh, you'll be able

990
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 1: to come back out next year if.

991
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: We can get the right rain in the next couple

992
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 2: of years. I'm excited about our our young deer crop

993
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: that I've seen. I sat on the stand last night

994
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 2: and saw a beautiful ten point. You know that's neats

995
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: a couple of years. But I think Brock and I've

996
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 2: got some great deer and see what happens. So you

997
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: guys come out.

998
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: Really appreciate your Andi and Brock. You guys take care

999
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm sure you guys will fill your TA

1000
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 1: some giants before this year is over, Alright, Thanks you guys,

1001
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: Thank you. M m m m m