1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Hurts has got it, wants to throw Hurts setting up 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: the screen. It is complete and bload Miles Sanders got it. 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: Mountain Rodriguez was there way Ford. That's a big play 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: by Rodrigue. Welcome to a remote edition of the Twentyman 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: in the Huddle podcast. And as you can see, I 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: am joined by the Hall of Famer Mike O'Hara, and 7 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: it was trade deadline day today in the NFL, and Michael, 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: the Lions made a pretty significant move traded t J. 9 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: Hockinson inside the division to the Minnesota Vikings, also a 10 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three fourth round pick in a twenty twenty 11 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: four fourth round pick, and in return, the Lions get 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: a second round pick this year and a twenty twenty 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: four third round pick. I guess what was your first 14 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: reaction when you heard the news. Well, we heard general 15 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: sort of conversation about it and just talk. You know, 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: it really was. Nobody had anything firm, Nobody mentioned the Vikings. 17 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 1: I'm talking about you know, yesterday today being Tuesday, Monday 18 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: and so on, and even before that team, I think 19 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: there were sort of these long range forecasts that TJ 20 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: would not be a number the Detroit Lions maybe twenty 21 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: twenty three or whatever. That still to me, it surprised me, 22 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: it really did. I didn't I didn't think they'd do it. 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: It was one of the really true playmakers. You saw 24 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: that game last week, you know, with fifty eight yard 25 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: run with the ball and all that catch and run, 26 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: and I thought, I thought he had values, and I 27 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: wouldn't call him a wide receiver, but I would call 28 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: him a pass catcher. So I was surprised, and really, frankly, 29 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: I'd rather see the player than the draft picks. But 30 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: I get it, I understand it all. I always liked 31 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: the player, I really do. Yeah, I think we're in 32 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: lockstep on this one, Mike, you know. And you know, 33 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: obviously it was a little bit telling to me when 34 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: the team and TJ's representatives didn't get a long term deal, 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: weren't really talking about a long term deal leading into 36 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: this season, because typically teams don't want to go to 37 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: that fifth year option if you don't have to, especially 38 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: with a top ten pick and the compensation that's involved. 39 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: It's a little bit different with a top ten pick 40 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: on a fifth year option. And so I thought that 41 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: was a little bit telling that he maybe wasn't really 42 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: in the long term plans. But I'm with you. I mean, 43 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that the player that you pick in 44 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: the second round, the player you pick in the third 45 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: round is going to be as good as a twenty 46 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: five year old Pro Bowl player who, like you mentioned, 47 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: has shown that he can make plays in this league. 48 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: And like I agree with you, I get it though, 49 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: you know, and you know, Sheila hamp came out the 50 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 1: other day. She talked to us and she said, look, 51 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 1: this was a teardown and a rebuild, and I think 52 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: they're going in for the long haul on this thing. 53 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of what this move tells 54 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: me as well. But I think the disappointing part and 55 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: I can see it from fans if I look at 56 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: my Twitter. I don't know if fans agreed with the 57 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: move so much based on my Twitter feeds, but the 58 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: frustrations you spend a number eight overall pick on t J. 59 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: Hockinson expecting him to be one of those foundational pieces, right, 60 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: one of those pieces that you can build on, one 61 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: of those three guys on this offense um that you 62 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: can kind of build around and the playmakers, And now 63 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: that's not the case so you're kind of rebuilding again 64 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: from that standpoint, you know, trying to bring in now 65 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: another playmaker, and so a little bit surprising, but I 66 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: agree with you it was. I wasn't shocked by it 67 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: because we had heard his name. We had heard DeAndre 68 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: Swift's name. Those are kind of two of the popular ones, 69 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: so I didn't think it would happen, but obviously it did. 70 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: And also I think that kind of struck me too, 71 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: is that with you know, within the within the NFC North, 72 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: you know, the Rkings are building to win the division, 73 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: which I think they will, and and beyond, you know, 74 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: get to the conference championship, get to the super Bowl. 75 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: It been been to four Super Bowls in their in 76 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: their life, in the life of the franchise, but nothing 77 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, in the last forty or forty five views 78 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: or something like that. So you know, they're one of 79 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: the franchises that that's really all in this year to 80 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: try and try, like Miami and a couple of others 81 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: have really taken dramatic mid dramatic movies, I should say, 82 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: to strengthen their roster for right now. And one of 83 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: the things that went through my mind, I was I 84 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: was riding in the car doing something to pull over 85 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: to care of some business, and one of the first 86 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: things I thought that myself was tear down continues right, 87 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: and as it's that when when? When is the absolute building? 88 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: But you know this is the really I think it 89 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: sort of sent out for the supplies to do the 90 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: rebuilding now, and like all things, it better work. It 91 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: better work. And look, now you've got two first round 92 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: picks next year, the one from the Rams obviously, you've 93 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: got two second round picks yours and the one from 94 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: the Vikings, and then whatever that third round pick, the 95 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: way it's going right now is going to be very 96 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: high too. So I mean, as it stands right now, 97 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: you've got five picks in the what top sixty five. 98 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: But you know it's rare, Mike, and you've been covering 99 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: you know this team. Let's not bring up my age time. 100 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: You don't often see teams come in and first round 101 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: picks make that immediate impact that you all of a 102 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: sudden flip this around and you're a winning team maybe 103 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: in the second year of that. So do you worry 104 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: that this kind of moved signals? Look, this is this 105 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: is maybe something we're eyeing for twenty twenty four and 106 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: not twenty twenty three. Is there that worried there at all? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, 107 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: you know it's it's if you're a fan and the 108 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: season ticket buyer or just a guy who buys gonna 109 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: be three Ford games a year, you want to see results. 110 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: You want to see that, you want to see the show. 111 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: And I will say this, at Ford Field, the lines 112 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: have put on a pretty good show. They haven't been 113 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: won one game that three losses, but they've moved the ball, 114 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: they've scored, they've scored points, they've been in it really 115 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: to the last possession, but they haven't won. And that's 116 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: obviously the next and most important step is to start, 117 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, putting on a great show, but winning games, 118 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: and that's the best show at all, you know. I 119 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: want to go back to the part you mentioned about 120 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: the Vikings too, and now you look at them. You've 121 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: got Kirk Cousins, right, who I think is an undervalued 122 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: quarterback in this league, at least statistically. You've got Dalvin Cook, 123 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: You've got Jeffer Justice, Jefferson, Adam Feeling, and now t J. Hockinson. 124 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: I mean that that's a pretty good trio of weapons 125 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: that you've got there. And when you're talking about Cook 126 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: and Jefferson and and Hockinson, I mean, you know those 127 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: guys have a number of years left ahead of them too. Yeah, 128 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: these are these are yeah, these are guys really, they're 129 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: really not in their athletic prime yet. Really when you 130 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 1: think about it, now you're feeling an older guy. But 131 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: but just one other thing tuned to him with with 132 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: the vikings. You know, Smith had a badly sprained ankle, 133 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: is going to be out ten and twelve games or 134 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, ten twelve weeks, whatever it is. When on 135 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: injured reserved today Bingo. He went out and got the 136 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: best tight end they could do. And that shows you 137 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: exactly what they think, you know, what they think about 138 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: their team. And they look what the changes they've made 139 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: since last year, new GM, new head coach, and now 140 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: the massage and the offense to be even done as 141 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: it was before. Well, when you get off to a 142 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: six and one start, you're afforded the opportunity to do 143 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: things when you're flute six. This is the reality of 144 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: starting out one and six. I mean, it's just your 145 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: windows are so short in the NFL, and we see 146 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: it year after year, teams go from first to worst 147 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: and worst to first and vice versa. It's just you've 148 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: got to take advantage of that window when you see 149 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: an opportunity with Green Bay struggling, Chicago obviously rebuilding Detroit 150 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: at one and six, I like Minnesota sees themselves as Hey, 151 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: we're six and one, we're clear a few games of 152 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: everyone else in the division. We can host a playoff game. Hey, 153 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: let's go. I'll go all in. Our window is now, 154 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: it's this year. This is our opportunity, So let's go 155 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: do it. We'll give up a little bit of the 156 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: future to to do it now because windows are so tight. 157 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: And you know, another thing I saw ESPN Stats and 158 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: Information said this was the first time the Lines traded 159 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: a player within the division since nineteen ninety eight. I 160 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: think was a statistic And I think, do you, Mike, 161 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: do you think the extra playoff spot in NFC and 162 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: AFC now maybe makes it where back in the day 163 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: you never traded a guy to a division upon it, 164 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: But because of that extra playoff spot, is it is 165 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: it now maybe a little bit different that you see 166 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: there's other avenues than winning your division to now get 167 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: into the postseason and play beyond. Oh absolutely, I want 168 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: to go too far back on this, but you go 169 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: back into the pre Super Bowl days where they're just 170 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: to do the Eastern Conference in the Western Conference one 171 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: each played for the National Football League championship. And so yeah, 172 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: the more you add to the mixt first, when they 173 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: added they had three divisions on the one wild card, 174 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: no four teams making the playoffs. And I'm steadily grown 175 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: to five, six and seven. We'll get stopped. I don't know. 176 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: It seems to be working pretty well. The National Football 177 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: League is a master at maximizing opportunities to hit its 178 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: product out there and add revenue. That wouldn't be surprised 179 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: if some day it's it's eight teams. But they're absolutely right. 180 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: You want a piece of that pie because you get 181 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: in there, you can move up quick, real quick. Well, 182 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: let's stay within the division a little bit. We mentioned 183 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: the Bears a little bit. They made a little a 184 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: move today too that I think it was a big 185 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: one for for their young quarterback at Justin Fields. They 186 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: went and spend a second round pick to get Chase Claypool. 187 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: Now that comes you know, following, you know a couple 188 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: of trades that they may trade away some um defensive players. 189 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: Roquan Smith the latest one already gave up or excuse me, 190 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: where they got a second and fifth and then they 191 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: go around and and you know, turn that second round 192 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: pick into Chase Claypool. Well, I think is a guy 193 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: that that can that can help justin fields. You agree, absolutely, 194 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: they traded to one of their tap pass rushers too, 195 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: So you know, I think that what they're saying is 196 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 1: our quarterback is our most important player. We're going to 197 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: do what we kind of support him, and I don't 198 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: think the previous regime may have thought that, but they 199 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: didn't act that way. They didn't give you that feel 200 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: that that that your quarterback, your young quarterback in particular, 201 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: is the most important person in your franchise, because he is. 202 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: It really is. How important are these next ten games 203 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: for for Jared Golf and for you know, where this 204 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: team goes. You've now got two first round picks, Mike, 205 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: You've got two second round picks. You've got what looks 206 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: to be a top pick in the third round. You 207 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: now have capital and you can either select some players 208 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: or let's say you win some games, you can now 209 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 1: package some picks the Detroit Lions have not taken a 210 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: quarterback high in the draft since Matthew Stafford really two 211 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: thousand and nine. And so you know how important is 212 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: this next ten games in deciding Jared Golf who's still 213 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: I think twenty seven, twenty eight years old. Is he 214 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: our future or is now we have the capital to 215 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: you know, rebuild this thing, get ourselves a young quarterback 216 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: in and see if that's the future. Let me just 217 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: add one thing. You know, I don't know if this 218 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: is a great year for quarterbacks of the draft, but 219 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: if the Detroit Lions have the first or second or 220 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: third pick, and that's the way it's trending on that 221 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: dumping on the Lions right now. It's just the first 222 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: pick overall, who's to say they're going to use it 223 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: on a quarterback. They could trade it and get you know, 224 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: two number one from somebody, a three and a five 225 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: and all that. Let me just think about that, Just 226 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: think about the number of draft picks that they could 227 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: possibly have. But if they just stand pad and go 228 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: into the draft with what they have, and to me, 229 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: Brad Holmes becomes the most important man in the franchise 230 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: in at least a decade. Because he has assets to 231 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: deal with, players to deal with, draft picks to deal with, 232 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: and he can build this He can put some young 233 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: players in this team in a hurry. If you look 234 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: back at the twenty twenty two draft and four of 235 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: those picks starting on defense, they targeted the weakest part 236 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: of the team, and I think I think it's paid 237 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: off with what they've got. But then those guys starting 238 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: right now, right from number one, Aidan Hutchinson on down 239 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: the sixth round with Rodriguez, Malcolm Rodriguez. So I think 240 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: he's off to a pretty good start with his draft picks. 241 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: It's never perfect. There's always when you look at the draft, 242 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: there's somebody who went, you know, five picks later or 243 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: two rounds later that you would rather have. You know, 244 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: that's one of our favorite national past times is redrafting 245 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. But he's set up now to really 246 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: make really do some damage in that draft, and you 247 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: expect those second year players to Aiden Hutchinson's absolutely, Josh Pascal's, 248 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: the Kirby Joseph's, and the Malcolm Rodriguez who you talk about, 249 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: They're going to take that next step and be the 250 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: core of that defense moving forward. But it's a defense 251 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: might that we look, we've both been at the last 252 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: seven games. I mean, you know, it's a defense that 253 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: needs more talent and it's got some deficiencies. And so 254 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: to your point, um, you know, you could use some 255 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: of that capital to really infuse some talent into that 256 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: defense and maybe turn that part of your team around quicker, 257 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: because that's obviously the weakest point of this team right now. 258 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I couldn't disagree. I couldn't agree more with you. 259 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: And just one thing, you know, I've done a couple 260 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: of things like you have on Aidan Hutchinson, and look 261 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: through six seven games now he's got four and a 262 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: half sacks, and so if you really project it down, 263 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: he's going to have when when you look back on 264 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: this season that take a day by day, game by game, 265 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: he's going to have double digit sacks. And for a 266 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,479 Speaker 1: rookie National Football League, that's that's really quite an accomplishment. 267 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: I looked at this, it was two three months ago, 268 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: good about a monthly two months ago. Looking back at 269 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: the last five or six drafts, and the guy and 270 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: the pass rushers drafted in the top five, only one 271 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: had double digit sex That was Bradley chubbed the rusted 272 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: had nine eight seven three something like that. So it's 273 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: a really tough conversion from college football to pro football 274 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: for past rookie pass rushers because there they're used to 275 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: playing against guys who might be sophomores or you know, 276 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, third year sophomores or whatever, neither playing against 277 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: left tackles who are you know, in their ninth year, 278 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: their tenth year, their fifth year, two All pros, maybe 279 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: a couple of you know, Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl nominations. 280 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: They're playing against guys who are older and better and 281 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: seasoned and know exactly how to all the tricks in 282 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: the book. And so it's it's tough for Hutchinson, it's 283 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: tough for everybody just like them. Yeah, it's good to 284 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: see a guy like Kirbie Joseph who now has sports 285 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: bumbles in the last you know, a couple of games. 286 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: A guy like Rodriguez who started all year. He's takes 287 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: some lunch, but he's made some plays too. He's up 288 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: for the Rookie of the Year after a sack and 289 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: in a film. So it's not just that they're starting 290 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: for rookies that these guys are are becoming impact players too, 291 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: and so I think that's that that's huge. And so 292 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, turning back to the Hockinson trade, you know 293 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: that leads yourself with Brockwright, UM and James Mitchell, who 294 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: the Lions drafted in the fifth round. James Mitchell is 295 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: a guy who dealt with the knee injury from last year, 296 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: missed a lot of camp. You knew he was going 297 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: to come along a little bit slower. You've seen his 298 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: snaps start to tick up. He had a catch for 299 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: fourteen yards Sunday against Miami, and look, Brockwright is a 300 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: guy I think every analytics guy or anybody who watches 301 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: film would probably say he's a better blocker than t J. 302 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: Hockinson is UM and he showed that he can make 303 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: some plays in the passing game last year when when 304 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: you know he played in place of TJ, had a 305 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: couple of touchdowns. That He's got seven catches for eighty 306 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: eight yards this year. He's now obviously you didn't get 307 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: more opportunities moving forward. But how much do you think 308 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: this really limits the Lions offense or hurts this Lions offense? 309 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: Um not having TJ. Do you think we see an 310 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: immediate impact or do you think they have enough with 311 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: Swift maybe getting a little bit healthier obviously when Jamo 312 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: comes back whenever that is, and some of the other things. 313 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: Do you think on Sunday we're really going to see 314 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: the impact of not having TJ against Green Bay? Well, 315 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: I think to some degree. I mean I really look, 316 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: he's a big, big, big time playmaker. He really is, 317 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: and that's missing. I don't think teams are gonna well, 318 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: we won't notice, probably, but well you probably will because 319 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: you're a lot better at this than I am. But 320 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: noticing how how teams play the Lions defensively without TJ there, 321 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: Do they take out a linebacker and put in a 322 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: safety or vice versa, whatever they do because maybe they 323 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: don't respect whoever it was frightfully so, because because he's 324 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: a different, different player, but they might not respect exactly 325 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: who the Lions are going with when they don't in 326 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: place of t J. Atkinson. And to that point, I 327 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: think it'll be interesting. I'man Ross Saint Brown how teams 328 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: treat Yeah, So I think to your point of me 329 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: watching on Sunday, I think that's going to be a 330 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: one that you should watch right away. Is how do 331 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: teams treat I'm on Ross Saint Brown and how will 332 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: this affect him not having a guy like TJ on 333 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: the other side that they have to worry about in 334 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: the middle. Well, now the readers know why I sitting 335 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: next to you on game day giving way my secret. Well, Mike, 336 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: and thank you so much for joining me. It was 337 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: good stuff. Obviously, we're gonna talk to Dan Campbell tomorrow 338 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: in Alan Park. We'll see what he has to say 339 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: about this. We'll get players reaction, so it should be 340 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: a fairly busy week in Alan Park after this news 341 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: and with the Green Bay Packers coming in on Sunday. 342 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me, Bud, appreciate it. Well, thank thanks 343 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: for having me to me. By the way, there's always 344 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: something interesting with the Detroite Lions, even on everybody's day off.