WEBVTT - Bad News for Brynn: RHONY FINALE

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<v Speaker 1>Rain Drops.

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<v Speaker 2>Reality with the King podcast is back on tour and

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<v Speaker 2>my first stop is in Atlanta, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>On Monday, February third.

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<v Speaker 2>I am joined by special guests, married to medicine star

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<v Speaker 2>doctor heaven Lee and baby. We are going to have

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<v Speaker 2>a good time, so get your tickets. It's available as

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<v Speaker 2>City Winery Atlanta. Also link in my bio on my Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter pages and don't forget Monday February third at the

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<v Speaker 2>City Winery in Atlanta, Georgia. Carlos King and married to

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<v Speaker 2>medicine star doctor Heavily. This is a show you do

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<v Speaker 2>not want to miss. Welcome to Reality the King. It's

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<v Speaker 2>me Carlos Kings, the King of Reality TV and one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most sought after executive producers in reality television

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<v Speaker 2>with over ten years production experience. Twice a week on

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<v Speaker 2>Reality with the King, we'll sit down with my friends

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<v Speaker 2>across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and

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<v Speaker 2>revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking and tweeting about.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, rain Drops.

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<v Speaker 2>On today's episode of Reality with the King, I decided

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<v Speaker 2>to do this episode solo because I did not want

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<v Speaker 2>anyone to feel like things were said that wasn't said,

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<v Speaker 2>or I had a guest on that said something that

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<v Speaker 2>I may have agreed.

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<v Speaker 1>With that I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wanted to do this very special episode with me,

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<v Speaker 2>myself and I Hey, Beyonce. So we have to get

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<v Speaker 2>into the season finale of the Housewives of New York City.

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<v Speaker 2>As you all know, I've been very honest about me

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<v Speaker 2>not watching this season. I did watch last season. I

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<v Speaker 2>recapped it on this very podcast, and I enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed it right. It wasn't amazing, it wasn't horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>It was definitely worth watching. It was watchable. I was

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<v Speaker 2>thrilled to get to know these new, beautiful, smart, successful

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<v Speaker 2>women in New York City. And I felt like all

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<v Speaker 2>of the women season one were a pleasure to watch

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<v Speaker 2>and I enjoyed them. They were fun, natural, And there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing like a season one cast because they don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of cloud hanging over their head of the

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<v Speaker 2>audience hates me or the audience loves me. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like the way I look on camera, people are judging me,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, any of those preconceived notions coming into the show,

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<v Speaker 2>And there's nothing, nothing, nothing like a season one cast

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<v Speaker 2>when you think about the real housewatchs of Atlanta, right

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<v Speaker 2>when you think about the real House Watson, New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 2>just organic, natural conversations, dialogue, drama moments. I mean, we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about Danielle style, but you know I need not

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<v Speaker 2>say more.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, natural, natural, natural. It was just a joy to.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch, and I felt like the first season of this

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<v Speaker 2>reboot of Rony was watchable. Then came season two of

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<v Speaker 2>the reboot. Right, so I want to make sure I'll

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<v Speaker 2>break it down that way season two of the reboot, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't know season we're in technically, so let's

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<v Speaker 2>refer it today as season two of the reboot. Tried

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<v Speaker 2>to watch the first episode and not immediately knew, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>these girls are suffering through the sophomore season, and they

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<v Speaker 2>read the tweets, they read the comments, they don't like

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<v Speaker 2>how they looked, and they're now not going to be real.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that instantly.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew that that within fifteen minutes, and I changed

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<v Speaker 2>the channel and I never once returned to the show

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<v Speaker 2>until the finale. I know all about the pranks that

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<v Speaker 2>happened episodes ago, and for me, it was just more

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<v Speaker 2>so confirmation that my intuition was correct that these women

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<v Speaker 2>were playing a game, and it wasn't the game of life,

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<v Speaker 2>it was the game of Monopoly. I'm being fooled, fake money,

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<v Speaker 2>fake storylines, so I knew it, and I'm never ever

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<v Speaker 2>ever going to trash a show. That's not my spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>This podcast is not going to trash anyone. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a fun podcast. I stay my opinion. I give my

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<v Speaker 2>expert opinion, me being a reality TV producer, and we

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<v Speaker 2>have wonderful time being funny, having fun shade.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's never to be mean. Okay, this is not

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<v Speaker 1>a mean podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why I decided not to watch or recap

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<v Speaker 2>this reboot of Ronie on the second season, because I

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<v Speaker 2>did not want to give anything other than an opinion

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<v Speaker 2>about watching it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you.

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<v Speaker 2>Haven't noticed, there's a lot of shows I don't recap,

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<v Speaker 2>and the reason why I don't recap it is because

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<v Speaker 2>number one, I don't watch it, number two, I may

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<v Speaker 2>not like it, and number three, I never want to

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<v Speaker 2>come across as trashing a show. The team of producers

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<v Speaker 2>in this business, we have a tough job, and the

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<v Speaker 2>cast are so brave to give their honest lives to

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<v Speaker 2>all of us, me included, and I never ever want

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<v Speaker 2>to disrespect anybody in my business of reality TV, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's a super fucking hard job that we have to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether you're on camera or behind the scenes, it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>for all of us. So if I don't recap a show,

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<v Speaker 2>it's because I don't want to trash talk it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>If I don't like an episode, I'm gonna tell y'all

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<v Speaker 2>did not like this episode. If I don't like a storyline,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna tell you did I like that storyline. If

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<v Speaker 2>I I think some of these girls or guys tried it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say they tried it?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So.

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<v Speaker 2>I would be remiss not to talk about the season

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<v Speaker 2>finale of Ronie that aired recently.

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<v Speaker 1>I am triggered by that.

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<v Speaker 2>Episode for various reasons I don't like, and I'm certain

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not alone of this, right. I just don't like

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<v Speaker 2>when people accuse somebody of something that isn't true. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to be a reality star a celebrity to

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<v Speaker 2>know what that feels like. I think all of us,

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<v Speaker 2>at one point in time of our lives have been

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<v Speaker 2>accused of something that we just did not do, just

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<v Speaker 2>so that the heat can get off of a person,

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<v Speaker 2>or so the person the sort of like person you're

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<v Speaker 2>having this adversary worth right, is being seen as the villain.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not the reality TV I want to watch. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not the reality TV that I think our audience wants

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<v Speaker 2>to tune into. My brain drops don't want to see

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<v Speaker 2>that shit when it comes to the finale. Brand is

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<v Speaker 2>a fantastic, fascinating character. Okay, her first season, she was fun, whimsical,

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<v Speaker 2>a lightning rod, funny. She's everything you want for a

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<v Speaker 2>reality star, and she delivered.

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<v Speaker 1>She arguably was one of the fan favorites.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed her first season on the show because in

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<v Speaker 2>the compliment in the world, she was a wacka dude though,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a wacky character, you know, wacky personality, sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like how much I love Britney on Salt Lake City.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Brin drank the kool aid. I think Brent

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<v Speaker 2>got caught up in the lights camera action. Brent is unrecognizable.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew that the first fifteen minutes of watching the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what happened to her?

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<v Speaker 2>She's trying to make moments happen that didn't seem to

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<v Speaker 2>be authentic, and I was just turned off. And as

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<v Speaker 2>my rain drops kept telling me like, well, Carlos, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not watching Ronnie, You're not missing anything.

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<v Speaker 1>This season is not great. I'm like, okay, again.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to use my platform to bash a

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<v Speaker 2>show every episode. But I knew that something was off

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<v Speaker 2>about it, and I think Brin drank the kool aid.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also think Brand is trying very hard to

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<v Speaker 2>create a moment, which is fine when you are reality

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<v Speaker 2>start to create moments. The problem that I have, though,

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<v Speaker 2>is you cannot create a moment on someone else's expense.

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<v Speaker 2>You cannot create a moment ruining somebody's reputation. That's not okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not okay in real life. It's not okay for television.

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<v Speaker 2>It is not okay for television.

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<v Speaker 1>Father.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm pretty sure all of my listeners, you guys

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<v Speaker 2>have have watched it. Now I'll give you a quick recap,

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<v Speaker 2>long story short.

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<v Speaker 1>The casts on the cast.

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<v Speaker 2>Trip and Uba and Brian got into it. Brand made

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<v Speaker 2>a comment about her sucking d you know, and Uba

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<v Speaker 2>took that and made it an additional comment about, well,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that's what you do. And again I'm paraphrasing, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's what happened. All of the women pretty much told

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<v Speaker 2>Uba she went too far, and Brent started crying talk

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<v Speaker 2>about being a black woman accused of sleeping her way

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<v Speaker 2>to the top, and it became very dark during that

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<v Speaker 2>process because it was sort of like, okay, wait, I

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<v Speaker 2>brand didn't make the comments first. Uba took her comment,

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<v Speaker 2>added some hot sauce to it, some tumeric, ginger root, basil,

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<v Speaker 2>black pepper, seasoning, salt, Laurie's criscal grease, and pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>gave her what she gave her back what she was

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<v Speaker 2>given right, And it was like eye for an eye

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<v Speaker 2>or in this case, shade for a shade, right, which again,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we want to see our housewives, eye for

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<v Speaker 2>an eye, shade for a shade, and that's just what

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<v Speaker 2>we signed up for. What we did not sign up

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<v Speaker 2>for was a ton of microaggressions. And I think when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to let's have a real conversation, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to skip the fact that Uba is a tall,

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<v Speaker 2>dark skinned black woman who is constantly being referred to

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<v Speaker 2>as the angry black woman trope. And this is what

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<v Speaker 2>Brent has said to her on camera behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 2>about I'm trying to help you not become that Uba,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you like her or not. Uba also is somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who has a big personality. She also is somebody that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, reacts in a big way.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's a reality star. That's her job.

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<v Speaker 2>Not her job meaning she's performing, but that's her job

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<v Speaker 2>in the sense. So that's why she was cash. She's beautiful,

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<v Speaker 2>she's successful. It's fine that she, you know, thinks she's

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<v Speaker 2>bigger than Naomi Campbell or on her level.

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<v Speaker 1>We like our reality stars to be a.

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<v Speaker 2>Little bit de Lulu, right, But that's that to me

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<v Speaker 2>is fun, you know, And I'm sure Uba would love

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<v Speaker 2>to have a conversation talking about that too, like it's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>We all should think we're bigger than what we are, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all of us have a little bit of delusion, Delulu

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<v Speaker 2>delusion in us, and it's cute, it's fine, it's whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Uba was right, though she didn't just come up with

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<v Speaker 2>the whole like penis sucking thing. Brent said it. Uba

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<v Speaker 2>caught that and ran with it. It reminded me of

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<v Speaker 2>since on Ronnie. It's when Ramona told Bethany how pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much she slept her way to the top. And what

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<v Speaker 2>did Bethany do? She laughed and said, I can't fuck

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<v Speaker 2>my way to the bottom. How can I fuck my

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<v Speaker 2>way to the top when I can't even fuck my

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<v Speaker 2>way to the bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>Can somebody fuck me? That's what Bethany said.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why she's the icon, the legend, and the moment

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<v Speaker 2>on TikTok that she is.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Bethany. Bethany could do no rock of eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>I love her. Sorry, not sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>She's an icon, she's the legend, and she is the

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<v Speaker 2>moment on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>I like Bethany's TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>But when someone accused her of sleeping her way to

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<v Speaker 2>the top, she caught that shade it, gave a funny

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<v Speaker 2>commentary to it, and we laughed and they kept it moving.

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<v Speaker 2>And again I'm not saying Brent should have said something else,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was one of those things where it was

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like I had a hard time grasping, like, Okay, Brin,

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't like what she said, got it clapped back

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<v Speaker 2>at her. So when she talked about being a black woman,

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<v Speaker 2>was like, Okay, I got it. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people who believe Brin uses the black card for her convenience,

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<v Speaker 2>and I can't answer that because I don't watch the show.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of conversations that brin conveniently uses the

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<v Speaker 2>black card for her convenience. I, Carlos King, am not

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<v Speaker 2>able to comment on that because I do not watch

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<v Speaker 2>the show and I don't have time to sit through

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen episodes of this current season. I don't got the time. Child, No,

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to watch it. No shape, I'm just saying,

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't want to. I don't want to. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Child.

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<v Speaker 2>We are just getting started. This is reality with the King,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Based on what I've seen a brand, I'm struggling whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not she was using that as a way of

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<v Speaker 2>getting sympathy. I don't know if she was using the

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<v Speaker 2>black card to get sympathy.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to I really have to sit as a journalist,

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<v Speaker 2>hey Portia and watch all of these episodes to see

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<v Speaker 2>if that's her behavior. What I have seen based on

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<v Speaker 2>clip online is you know, when it comes to Uba,

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<v Speaker 2>I did not like the fact that all of these

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<v Speaker 2>women made her the bad guy when I'm like shade

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<v Speaker 2>of Shade and it's not like listen. In my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think Uba said anything that was like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, you went too far.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, maybe you slept to get this job.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard worse things on Potomac, Atlanta, New Jersey, Salt

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<v Speaker 2>Lake City. We just talked about Salt Lake City finale

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<v Speaker 2>where Angie K wrote in a text message that Brahma's

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<v Speaker 2>husband has one foot in the grave and another on

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<v Speaker 2>a banana pill.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's wild, right, wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Once again, it's one of those things where it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>no one on Salt Lake City read Angie kper philp

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<v Speaker 2>And again, I'm not saying everybody should behave the same way,

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<v Speaker 2>so please don't take it like that. But what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying is I just I'm just being real with y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not understand why they all felt that what

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<v Speaker 2>Uba did was so gross and disgusting. I did not

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<v Speaker 2>understand that, and I felt like, let's have a real conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a dark skin black woman, and unfortunately, dark skin

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<v Speaker 2>black women on TV are not given the same grace.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true, they can yell the same as their white

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<v Speaker 2>or lighter skin counterparts, and for some reason, when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to a dark skin black female reality star, they're

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<v Speaker 2>seen as the aggressor, and I didn't understand why Uba

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<v Speaker 2>had to deal with that. I also, I also did.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't understand why no one saw it that

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<v Speaker 2>way either in that moment. So when Brian was crying, saying,

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<v Speaker 2>as a black woman, you know, she doesn't want that stereotype.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, got it, fine, got it.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't revealed how she was raped, and obviously my

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<v Speaker 2>heart goes out to Bryn. No woman, anyone should ever

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<v Speaker 2>experience that a sault or any of saut for that matter.

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<v Speaker 1>But my heart goes out to Bryn. It really does.

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<v Speaker 2>When I saw her open up about that, I immediately

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<v Speaker 2>got emotional to see her cry and break down about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, anybody who's a human being with a heart

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<v Speaker 2>felt the emotion from her, and I felt bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I really did. I'm like, oh my gosh, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And when she said she told Uber that, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh damn, okay, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Do Uba?

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<v Speaker 2>You know My immediate thought was, does Uba remember being

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<v Speaker 2>told that? Okay, Let's let's find out, because I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like when you're on reality television, if someone makes a

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<v Speaker 2>strong accusation that way, I do feel like you have

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<v Speaker 2>to give that other person the opportunity to defend themselves

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<v Speaker 2>if they are able to defend something that is abhorrent, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but at least give them a floor to know that

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<v Speaker 2>this is what's being said about you. My heart also

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<v Speaker 2>goes out to Uba because if it wasn't for Jessel

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<v Speaker 2>going into her room when cameras were down and the

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<v Speaker 2>production was wrapped to tell Uba, like, this is what's

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<v Speaker 2>being said about you, even with Uba came in saying

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<v Speaker 2>while are all of y'all crying? And the ladies were like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's you know, that's not our story to tell.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to have a conversation about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand if Brent told that story to the girl's only,

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<v Speaker 2>then absolutely you should never tell someone else's story, especially

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<v Speaker 2>of that magnitude. What was interesting to me, though, is

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<v Speaker 2>Brent said she told Uba that. So if Brent said

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<v Speaker 2>to you ladies, I told Uba this story, shouldn't Uba

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<v Speaker 2>have the right to know what Brand said because she

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly said it to her.

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<v Speaker 1>You get what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>If Brent said I was assaulted sexually and Uba doesn't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's why I'm feeling this way, then I would

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<v Speaker 2>understand why the ladies would say Uba I can't tell

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<v Speaker 2>you what she said. That's her, that's her story to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with that one thousand percent. Brent said, I

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<v Speaker 2>told Uba this story, and despite her knowing this story,

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<v Speaker 2>she still proceeded to make these false accusations about me.

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<v Speaker 2>So if Brent told Uba this story and UBA's like, hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>what happened, isn't it okay for the lady to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>Brent said, she told you this story, so that Uba

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<v Speaker 2>could have had the opportunity to say yay or nay

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<v Speaker 2>because Brent said she told Uba. That's the part that

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<v Speaker 2>was interesting to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And the parts that it's hard for me to even

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<v Speaker 2>articulate is the fact that if it wasn't for Jessel

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<v Speaker 2>telling Uba behind the scenes of what Brent said, you

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<v Speaker 2>mean to tell me, Uba would have found out by

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<v Speaker 2>watching the show along with us at home, not having

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to defend herself.

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<v Speaker 1>That would have been horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if she knew and was told that, shouldn't she

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<v Speaker 2>have the opportunity to defend herself?

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<v Speaker 1>That's the only question that I have.

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<v Speaker 2>So Jessel tells her behind the scenes, and Brent and

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<v Speaker 2>Uba had this big reaction, and then in that moment,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, wait a second, what's happening here? You mean

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<v Speaker 2>to tell me Uba didn't know? Because there's no way

0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:11.520
<v Speaker 2>that anybody can fake that reaction that Uba had. And

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't spoken to Uber. I don't know Uber, I

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<v Speaker 2>know human behavior. I know within seconds, more than likely,

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<v Speaker 2>Uba felt like my career is finished if people believe this,

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<v Speaker 2>and that to me rightfully, so maye Uba feel like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to talk about this. Not only am I

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<v Speaker 2>being accused of something that she's saying she didn't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's also on camera and the world is going to

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<v Speaker 2>believe that. And Uba is running around the house frustrated. Rightfully,

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<v Speaker 2>So if she's being accused of something she didn't do

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<v Speaker 2>or wasn't told so due to her passionate display of

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:17.760
<v Speaker 2>confusion and hurt. Then all of a sudden, these same

0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:22.080
<v Speaker 2>ladies who five minutes ago pretty much wrote her off,

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<v Speaker 2>now it's questioning that. Wait a second now, and again

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<v Speaker 2>these are things they said. I'm paraphrasing, But the ladies

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden started to realize, hmmm, but Brand.

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<v Speaker 1>Is kind of known to.

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<v Speaker 2>Hype things up, or take one thing and turn it

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<v Speaker 2>against somebody.

0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:48.199
<v Speaker 1>Again, I'm payaphraising.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when me at home was like, wait a second,

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<v Speaker 2>please tell me this is not about to be what

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is. And I felt this a pit

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<v Speaker 2>of my stomach because my heart bled for Uba, because

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<v Speaker 2>no one deserves to be accused of something they did

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<v Speaker 2>not do, and no one deserves to be accused of

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<v Speaker 2>knowing something they did not know.

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<v Speaker 1>No one deserves that. Not one person deserves that.

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<v Speaker 2>And to watch within minutes, Brian walked into the room

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<v Speaker 2>of the girls and they see how the sympathy that

0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:42.360
<v Speaker 2>they had for her five minutes ago was dissipating. And

0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:49.119
<v Speaker 2>she saw this shift of energy in that room and

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<v Speaker 2>she left, and then she came back minutes later, and

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<v Speaker 2>then she proceeds to say, huh, well, maybe Uba didn't

0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 2>clock it. Excuse me, this isn't a Cassie a watch

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:16.360
<v Speaker 2>clock what Either you told her this story or you didn't.

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 2>It's not one way or the other. Either you told

0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 2>her this story or you did not tell her this story.

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:30.680
<v Speaker 2>What are we doing here? She didn't clock it? And

0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:38.960
<v Speaker 2>that's the moment I said, Wow, this this is bad.

0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:46.640
<v Speaker 2>This is this is this is bad. You can't sit

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:52.399
<v Speaker 2>up there and accused someone of knowing information that you

0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:55.720
<v Speaker 2>said you told them all the while.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not sure if you did.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell them specifically, And it took you minutes of seeing

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:11.159
<v Speaker 2>your friends look at you side eye for you to

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<v Speaker 2>have that revelation.

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Is is that we're being told right now?

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<v Speaker 2>So within a few minutes of your friends looking at

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 2>you sideways, all of a sudden, your memory refreshed like

0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 2>my Apple laptop. And you're like, well, maybe she didn't

0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:41.600
<v Speaker 2>clock it. Ah, So did it take your friends to

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:45.160
<v Speaker 2>give you the cold shoulder for your memory to work?

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 2>And again I'm basing everything off of the episode she

0:28:56.200 --> 0:29:06.280
<v Speaker 2>made the statement the ladies rallied around her. Uba defends herself.

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<v Speaker 2>Minutes later, Bren Is like, well, maybe she didn't clock it.

0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:22.680
<v Speaker 2>So if Uba never was told by Jesso what Brent said,

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 2>what Brand's memory would have come back.

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Let's have a real conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>If Jesso never told Uba, and if Uba never compassionately

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<v Speaker 2>defended herself.

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<v Speaker 1>And what makes me so.

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<v Speaker 2>Sad is not everybody has that personality to have a

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 2>big reaction to being lied on. What if Uba would

0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 2>have quietly said, I don't remember, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Would y'all have still believed Uba? So this.

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<v Speaker 2>This person who's being called or concern from being called

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 2>the angry black woman had to be a little bit

0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 2>angry to be taken seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>You ge know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>If she quietly would have said, guys, I don't remember,

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 2>I think she's lying, would you guys have believed her?

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Or did it take her big reaction for you guys

0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 2>to say, oh, well, we look at Brent's history.

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:40.680
<v Speaker 1>She is known to kind of hype things up.

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Again on paraphrasing, Why did it take Uber to have

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 2>a big reaction to believe her in the first place?

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Why not know who Uber is as a person to

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 1>be like nah, I don't know, I don't know. Does

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 1>that sound like Uba? I don't know.

0:30:57.040 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 2>We should talk to her about that, especially because Brent

0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 2>said she told her.

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Well.

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:08.160
<v Speaker 2>What have made sense to me is if I was

0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Brent's friend, I would have said, hey, let's sit down.

0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Let it be.

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 2>If I'm Aaron Asi, I would have said to Brent, Hey, Brian,

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:21.880
<v Speaker 2>I see you having a big reaction.

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 1>This is horrible.

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 2>If Uba would have known this, I think if you

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 2>tell Uba, since you told her anyway, how about you

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 2>and Uba and me sit down without the other girls,

0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 2>and you tell her how you felt, tell her especially

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 2>because you told her anyway, right, So what's wrong with

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:50.960
<v Speaker 2>telling her twice? Right? Why jump to conclusions girls without

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 2>having the other person who was told this information allegedly

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 2>have the opportunity to be told it a second time.

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Why not give uber that much grace?

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<v Speaker 2>So then the next day we see Brent on the

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 2>college having a key key with the producers, and I

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:17.920
<v Speaker 2>also want to say shout out to the producers who

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 2>handled this situation very very very very very very well.

0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Shout out to the producer of the production. Obviously it

0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 2>was all chaotic, unexpected, and shout out to the producers,

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:37.080
<v Speaker 2>and shout out to the producers for making sure the

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 2>audience saw that as well, so that we're able to

0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 2>understand the phull scope of the situation. So as we

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:47.720
<v Speaker 2>see Brin in the morning key king with the producers,

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 2>and she.

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Sent a text to them the night before.

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Saying that you know, she wanted to leave whatever, and

0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 2>she left, And then they have the photo shoot for

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 2>the show and they all pretty much are saying they

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 2>haven't really touched base with Bran, and then Brian walks

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 2>in pretty much and they kind of give her the

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 2>coach shoulder, and she knows she's not giving the sympathy

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 2>she once had. Even in Brent's Confessionals, she's she's somewhat

0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 2>not really telling us the audience based on what she

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:43.480
<v Speaker 2>said the night before, right, maybe Uber then clock it.

0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 1>I wanted an explanation.

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:52.280
<v Speaker 2>The confessionals are taped sometimes days, weeks, months after filming

0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:57.560
<v Speaker 2>a finale. Okay, So the fact that in the Confessionals,

0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:01.040
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't able to get a full story, well what

0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:01.880
<v Speaker 2>really happened?

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 1>We weren't given that.

0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, what we were given was UBA's emotional confessionals, to

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:20.200
<v Speaker 2>where she was able to emphatically state that being accused

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<v Speaker 2>of that just isn't her character. That's not who she is,

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:35.800
<v Speaker 2>and she's crying because it's not right. So as a journalist, Hey, Portia,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to read to you all what Brent said

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<v Speaker 2>to Rolling Stone. So I'll reach all the highlights. It's

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 2>a pretty lengthy article, but I want to be able to,

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:56.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, give you guys all sides of the story,

0:34:56.760 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 2>right and the latest end to be you Brand assured

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 2>fans that she did reveal personal details to her co

0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:12.480
<v Speaker 2>star and this is what she said and quote It's

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:15.759
<v Speaker 2>not right to assume that everyone remembers everything that you

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:19.319
<v Speaker 2>say all the time and then hold them accountable for that.

0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 2>I know for a fact that I said it, but

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<v Speaker 2>when someone screaming into the phone, the other person might

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 2>not necessarily hear them. I know what I said, and

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:39.399
<v Speaker 2>I know that I did say it. When it comes

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 2>to that statement alone, I'm just gonna be very honest

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:48.320
<v Speaker 2>if that's the case, I'm just wondering why that statement

0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 2>wasn't set on the show. Why did it take months

0:35:54.880 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 2>after filming for you to come up with that statement.

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 2>I watched the finale, I watched her confessionals. Unless you're

0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:13.239
<v Speaker 2>telling me they did not air it and that you

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:18.440
<v Speaker 2>said it in the chair, I'm not certain if that's

0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:22.960
<v Speaker 2>how you feel your exact words are. I know for

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 2>a fact that I said it, but when someone screaming

0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 2>into the phone, the other person might not necessarily hear them.

0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:32.640
<v Speaker 2>I know what I said, and I know that I

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:37.360
<v Speaker 2>did say it. Why does it take a Rolling Stone

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 2>journalist and your publicist and your team to organize this

0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 2>interview for that statement to happen months after filming, Because

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:56.719
<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, that statement should have been said on

0:36:56.800 --> 0:37:01.719
<v Speaker 2>the show. Maybe it's said at the reunion, but I'm

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:05.120
<v Speaker 2>just being real. If that's how you feel, if your

0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 2>memory within a couple of minutes in that heated finale, right,

0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 2>you went from saying I told her to well maybe

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:14.800
<v Speaker 2>she didn't.

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:19.080
<v Speaker 1>Clock it, and then you left it alone.

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:24.799
<v Speaker 2>So if your memory works that way within minutes, why

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:27.360
<v Speaker 2>didn't it work within minutes from you leaving the trip

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 2>to sitting in your confessional chair to say the same.

0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Statement, That's all I'm saying.

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:38.279
<v Speaker 2>When watching the finale, Brent was surprised to see her

0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 2>cast accusing her of intentionally lying. Brent says, that was shocking.

0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 2>You're telling me that in the three minutes. But what

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:53.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm called horrible names, and I'm obviously upset that I

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:58.360
<v Speaker 2>somehow devised a plan. It's disgusting that I'm talking about

0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:01.759
<v Speaker 2>two things that I will hope that no woman or

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:06.719
<v Speaker 2>person would have to experience suicide and sexual assault. And

0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 2>everyone's like, Bran, we feel taken advantage of. Maybe don't

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:15.439
<v Speaker 2>use those words to describe the situation. I just feel

0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:24.320
<v Speaker 2>like I wasn't shown much. The other thing Brent said

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:28.839
<v Speaker 2>in this article is before hitting to Puerto Rico, Brent

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:31.360
<v Speaker 2>said she said down with her brother in Central Park

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 2>to open up about how her past sexual assault has

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:39.960
<v Speaker 2>prevented her from being focused more on dating. Brent says,

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:43.000
<v Speaker 2>I filmed with my brother and I share the connection

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 2>between that and why I'm kind of dodging dating and

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:53.080
<v Speaker 2>why I make jokes about only dating billionaires. She tells

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:58.839
<v Speaker 2>Rolling Stone, I thought sharing. I thought sharing was going

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 2>to help me feel better. And one of the other

0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:07.479
<v Speaker 2>highlights is she has stated that she's not too sure

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 2>where her friendship stands with the cast. She says with Uba,

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 2>I think what's done is done. I feel like we

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:25.200
<v Speaker 2>will get back, but it takes time to repair. I

0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:28.880
<v Speaker 2>don't know how they're able to move on from this.

0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:32.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean I don't know. I don't know. I guess

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:37.120
<v Speaker 2>we have the Washington Reunion to see. Look, when it

0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:40.240
<v Speaker 2>comes to brand I would like to say this. My

0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:45.120
<v Speaker 2>heart goes out to her from what she experienced. Like

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:47.760
<v Speaker 2>I said earlier, no woman, person, man, who mayver should

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:53.839
<v Speaker 2>experience that, an assault, sexual assault, any form of salt.

0:39:53.960 --> 0:40:00.280
<v Speaker 2>It's my heart goes out to her. I think Brian,

0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:03.400
<v Speaker 2>I would love for Brent to.

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Have a professional talk to just about some things she's

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:09.160
<v Speaker 1>dealt with.

0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 2>That's my hope for her. Therapy is great. I'm in therapy.

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, being a therapy doesn't mean you have problems

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 2>that isn't able to be handled without a professional help.

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:30.200
<v Speaker 2>I feel like everybody in the world should have a therapist.

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:33.799
<v Speaker 2>That's just my opinion. We live in we live in

0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:35.640
<v Speaker 2>crazy times, and.

0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 1>I just think everybody should have a professional talk to.

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 1>That's That's been my my advocate for that.

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:56.200
<v Speaker 2>I just want brand to talk to somebody. That's that's

0:40:56.560 --> 0:41:02.720
<v Speaker 2>that's my hope for her. This was a hard episode

0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:04.399
<v Speaker 2>to watch. I don't know where the girls would come.

0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:07.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know where the girls can go from here.

0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:10.920
<v Speaker 2>I just don't know.

0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:15.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I just don't know.

0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:21.600
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think going back into watching this season, you know,

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:24.680
<v Speaker 2>watching up finale, it was going to be this. I

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:27.400
<v Speaker 2>watched you because obviously it was a talk of the town,

0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 2>and my social media was blown up by people wanting

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:40.840
<v Speaker 2>my opinion on this. I really feel bad for Uba,

0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:46.200
<v Speaker 2>I really do. My heart seriously goes out to Uber

0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 2>and I'm grateful that Jessel told her because I'm afraid

0:41:54.200 --> 0:42:00.120
<v Speaker 2>if Jessel didn't, what the conversation would be like today.

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