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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, where we

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Speaker 1: discussed all things mental health, personal development, and all the

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Speaker 1: small decisions we can make to become the best possible

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Speaker 1: versions of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr Joy Harden Bradford,

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Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. To get more information

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Speaker 1: and resources, visit the website at Therapy for Black Girls

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Speaker 1: dot com. And while I hope you love listening to

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Speaker 1: and learning from the podcast, it is not meant to

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Speaker 1: be a substitute for a relationship with a licensed mental

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Speaker 1: health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so much for joining me

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Speaker 1: for session forty two of the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast.

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Speaker 1: In session twenty one, I discussed how racism impacts our

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Speaker 1: mental health, and today I wanted to dig a little

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Speaker 1: deeper into a discussion about race related stressors and how

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Speaker 1: therapy can be used to heal from them. For today's episode,

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by Crystal Joseph. Crystal is a licensed clinical

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Speaker 1: professional counselor in the State of Maryland, licensed professional counselor

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Speaker 1: in the Commonwealth of Virginia, National Certified Counselor, and Board

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Speaker 1: Certified case manager, holding a Master of Arts and Counseling

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Speaker 1: psychology from the Chicago School of Professional Psychology. Crystal's clinical

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Speaker 1: training includes cognitive behavior therapy and Black psychology within individual,

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Speaker 1: family and group therapy settings. Crystal specializes in anxiety, depression,

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Speaker 1: racial identity formation, and cultural trauma in African Americans. Her

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Speaker 1: love for psychology began in high school. After completing college

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Speaker 1: level psychology classes, she obtained a Bachelor of Arts and

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Speaker 1: develop of Mental Psychology from the College of William and

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Speaker 1: mary with a secondary major of Black studies. As the

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Speaker 1: author of Conversation with a Clinician of Color, Likeness Lucy

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Speaker 1: and Lemonade, Crystal hopes to break down the stigma of

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Speaker 1: seeking mental health treatment in the black community with first

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Speaker 1: person commentary. Psyche Your Mind is an improved CEU provider

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Speaker 1: by the Maryland Board of Professional Counselors and Therapists. A

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Speaker 1: quarterly training entitled Absorption of All Colors is provided to

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Speaker 1: license mental health professionals to explore racial identity development models,

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Speaker 1: cultural trauma, and best practices for treatment interventions. During my

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Speaker 1: time with Crystal, we discussed what race related stressors look like,

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Speaker 1: stages of wokeness, and how she works with her clients

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Speaker 1: to manage some of these stressors, including her use of

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Speaker 1: music and pop culture in her practice. Is here's our conversation. So,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today, Crystal, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me. So I'm very excited to have

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Speaker 1: you on the podcast because you specialize in something that

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Speaker 1: I think is super important, very very important work. So

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Speaker 1: you do a lot of work around racial identity formation

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Speaker 1: and cultural trauma. So can you explain what this means

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Speaker 1: and what this looks like in therapy? Sure? So. Racial

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Speaker 1: identity development is how one perceives, learns, and comes to

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Speaker 1: to others in the world. Cultural trauma is a concept

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Speaker 1: defined by Ron Ironman as a quote dramatic loss of

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Speaker 1: a group of people that has achieved some degree of

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Speaker 1: cohesion quote so pretty much. In therapy, um presenting problem

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Speaker 1: going to work in an environment where they are the

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Speaker 1: recipient of microaggressions, or, most recently, over the past few years,

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Speaker 1: the supposed expendability of black bodies with the mass shootings

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Speaker 1: times how people are feeling UM. Previously it's been brushed

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Speaker 1: it gets really real. And I think for black women

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Speaker 1: to have someone of her caliber and music industry presented

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Speaker 1: it's not everyone's experience. I've experienced grief UM, and you

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Speaker 1: know a lot of people, of course, tried to parallel

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Speaker 1: it with um some of the domestic issues that she

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Speaker 1: and you know, her husband may have been going through

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Speaker 1: and that kind of thing. But I think it was

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Speaker 1: just such a nice way for music to bring other

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Speaker 1: women together and talk about issues that we experience on

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Speaker 1: a daily basis. So it was great to just kind

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Speaker 1: of be able to talk about this in therapy and

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Speaker 1: people to understand, like, this is what I'm going through

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Speaker 1: and this is how I can get better. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: it feels like it started there. And then of course

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Speaker 1: it feels like that keecked up the conversation again, right

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Speaker 1: because people were people were trying to like compare, like

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Speaker 1: what's all on Limen Need was a parallel to what

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Speaker 1: song for him on four forty four. So, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it definitely feels like there has been you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of continuous conversations in therapy, you know, with some of

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Speaker 1: the themes that have been brought forth from both of

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Speaker 1: to both of them. I think we placed them on

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Speaker 1: of his interviews too about you know, discussing going to

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Speaker 1: And now I think black men are starting to seek

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Speaker 1: out therapy as well, um, because you know Mr Carter

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Speaker 1: said this, this, this helped him. So it's good right

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Speaker 1: exactly exactly. Definitely have shifted the conversation, I think in

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Speaker 1: a good way. UM with that that project, So, can

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Speaker 1: you tell us any um, any exciting news that you

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Speaker 1: have kind of coming out of your practice or new

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Speaker 1: things that you're going to be offering soon. Yes, so

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Speaker 1: I them now and approved continuing education provider. So I

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Speaker 1: have a training coming up and I'll offer it quarterly.

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Speaker 1: But it's called the Absorption of All Colors and it

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Speaker 1: focuses on cultural trauma, racial identity development models as we've discussed,

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Speaker 1: and there's some other evidence based things, um that I'm

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Speaker 1: going to throw in there. So, um, I while this

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Speaker 1: I want to engage them and it's still a lot

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Speaker 1: of participation that's going to be involved. UM. I have

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Speaker 1: some favors that I'm giving away um so, it's three

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Speaker 1: c EU s um and I know for Maryland, Uh,

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Speaker 1: some people have to renew at the end of UM

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Speaker 1: January this year, so don't wait till the last minute.

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Speaker 1: And um so, I'll be doing that. And then also

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Speaker 1: I'm working on a larger book project that will be

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Speaker 1: a hard print in June. UM I will release more

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Speaker 1: information in February. Um so I won't say too much

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Speaker 1: about that. Um And I think that's it for now. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So where can people find you online so that they

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Speaker 1: can keep up with all of these new releases and

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Speaker 1: things that you'll be doing this year? Cool? So I

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Speaker 1: on my website is psych your Mind dot com and

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Speaker 1: there's no h on psych and then on Twitter, I'm

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Speaker 1: at psych your Mind, and then for Instagram, I'm at

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Speaker 1: the real underscore psych your Mind Perfect. And of course

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Speaker 1: all that information will be included in the show notes

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Speaker 1: so people can find it very easily. Well, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us today, Crystal. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. You're very welcome. So you

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Speaker 1: definitely want to make sure you check out some of

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Speaker 1: the resources Crystal mentioned, including her new book. You can

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Speaker 1: find the links to all of this information in the

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Speaker 1: show notes at Therapy for Black Girls dot com slash

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Speaker 1: Session forty two. If you learn something new or heard

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