Speaker 1: Look mad oh, I see you? Why why would look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness ding dung
Speaker 1: lost cultures is calling? Do you miss me? I really
Speaker 1: really missed you the last week or so. I really did.
Speaker 1: And I missed the readers, of course, but I missed
Speaker 1: the essence of me, my breast, my my breast, my
Speaker 1: soul mate, my best breast, my best Honestly, I didn't
Speaker 1: know if you missed me because I didn't feel like
Speaker 1: you know what reconnected you did. You did call me,
Speaker 1: you did FaceTime me because you wanted to find out
Speaker 1: about how my Memorial Day weekend was. I felt like
Speaker 1: you were also on your own journey with your own people.
Speaker 1: I did not want to interrupt that, and you knew
Speaker 1: the same of me, and I think we were just
Speaker 1: I think this is a healthy boundary. It's kind of
Speaker 1: wasn't even about boundaries. It was just us like kind
Speaker 1: of sensing each other. But if if you feel like
Speaker 1: I neglected the friendship in any way, and he did not, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I was just being um. I can't believe the word
Speaker 1: is needy. Um. And I was also funny that you say,
Speaker 1: like it's funny that you were just like you were
Speaker 1: just like, No, I think it's good you were with
Speaker 1: your people. I was with my people because I was
Speaker 1: about to say I don't think we should ever vacations
Speaker 1: separately again, So that's interesting. I guess we're just in
Speaker 1: three different places. Do you believe this? You feel this way?
Speaker 1: I was, I literally, well, can I talk about Gramatic vacation?
Speaker 1: Can you want to tell the readers about it? I
Speaker 1: would like to tell the readers all about it, and
Speaker 1: then I also want to hear about yours, because I
Speaker 1: haven't heard the details of yours yet either. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: happy to share so as you can hear my voice
Speaker 1: and mine. We're both not vocally great, we're not vocally healthy.
Speaker 1: We're not ready to go take the stage at Carnegie
Speaker 1: Hall and perform alongside the likes of Nicole Scherzinger just yet. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I thought of her performing. She
Speaker 1: hasn't she I feel like she probably has. I'm sure
Speaker 1: she's she could sing, She's incredible. I'm sure she's incredible. Um.
Speaker 1: So yes, went to Palm Springs, and I guess suffice
Speaker 1: it to say, it's like, you know, it offered everything.
Speaker 1: It usually offers a lot of partying, a lot of
Speaker 1: going out. And then I have to say, you know
Speaker 1: how famously Palm Springs when you go there, if you've
Speaker 1: ever been their readers, you know that if you rent
Speaker 1: a house, there's commonly signs up everywhere, and you get
Speaker 1: a warning from the people that you rent the house from, like, hey,
Speaker 1: no music outside you you know this, right, But I
Speaker 1: actually did not in that. But because of the typography
Speaker 1: of Palm Springs, it's just one flat expanse. So the
Speaker 1: sound kind of I mean, your neighbors hear them. The
Speaker 1: sound travels in a very unfortunate way, right, and so
Speaker 1: so that that is the case, and so of course
Speaker 1: you understand why that's that's that's so, and you understand
Speaker 1: why these signs are posted, and you also get that
Speaker 1: it's like you get that, it's like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: very actually pretty residential. You know, a lot of people
Speaker 1: live there all year around. It's not just this this
Speaker 1: vacation destination for um people that wanted to send upon
Speaker 1: it um on their weekends, you understand. So um had
Speaker 1: that being said, I have vacation there about six or
Speaker 1: seven times, and I've always played music out of reasonable
Speaker 1: volume outside. You never gotten in trouble, so I thought, Um,
Speaker 1: or at least everyone I was with, thought, oh, we
Speaker 1: can play music. So we are halfway through a lip
Speaker 1: sync competition. Um, I had just done my performance to
Speaker 1: the song Daisies by Katy Perry. Oh my god, my
Speaker 1: well do you did I tell you my concept? I
Speaker 1: think you mentioned it, but it wasn't fully conceived. So
Speaker 1: what was the final instecution? Well, the message that I
Speaker 1: wanted to give everyone watching the performance was to never
Speaker 1: give up. And so, um, what I did was I
Speaker 1: started an important message. It's such an important message I felt,
Speaker 1: and I've actually was going first in the lips and composition.
Speaker 1: There were ten competitors and I was sort of setting
Speaker 1: the tone, and so I was like, I have to
Speaker 1: really drive my message home. So I um dressed up
Speaker 1: as I came out as Amy Adams in Arrival. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: and I ran in the space in the space but
Speaker 1: where she's talking to the aliens. Yes, so she's in
Speaker 1: her orange sort of get up. So I got that,
Speaker 1: and um, I Daisies began and I you know how
Speaker 1: Amy Adams holds up a sign and it says like
Speaker 1: it says he it says her name or something and
Speaker 1: she tries to communicate with the aliens. So I pulled
Speaker 1: up a sign that said oscar question mark, and then
Speaker 1: I threw the sign and I tore away the arrival
Speaker 1: looked to a non costume, and then I was Amy
Speaker 1: Adams in doubt, and I sang a little bit more
Speaker 1: of the song, and I held up the sign again,
Speaker 1: and I still didn't get the oscar, and I took
Speaker 1: off my nun habit and I had an enchanted dress.
Speaker 1: And then I took off the enchanted dress and I
Speaker 1: had this hot little number I bought off Amazon, and
Speaker 1: I was American Hustle. And by the way, the nun habit,
Speaker 1: of course tore away to reveal my red Amy Adams hair.
Speaker 1: And then under the American Hustle dress, I had a
Speaker 1: tiny little tube top and little tiny shorts because I
Speaker 1: was Amy Adams in the fighter. This is this is
Speaker 1: how many costume or this was a five and one,
Speaker 1: and then I picked up on the ground. I had
Speaker 1: these two big eyes and I held the big eyes
Speaker 1: up in front of my eyes, and I sang like
Speaker 1: the bridge to the song the worst She's going like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that part of Daisy's I'm not familiar with
Speaker 1: the song. Okay, well, of course after this, everyone's gonna
Speaker 1: want to get familiar. It's going to go to the
Speaker 1: top of the charts after this. UM. And then finally
Speaker 1: I threw myself behind the audience UM and went in
Speaker 1: the house and was looking out the window. So then
Speaker 1: I was finally the woman in the window. Oh my.
Speaker 1: And so basically the theme was Amy Adams would never
Speaker 1: stopped trying to win an oscar until they cover her
Speaker 1: in Daisies, Daisies, Daisies. Now I did well and I'm
Speaker 1: happy I got to do my performance because after about
Speaker 1: the sixth person competed, we get an aggressive knock on
Speaker 1: the door, not with a warning, but with a dismissal
Speaker 1: from the home. They said, who is at the door?
Speaker 1: The host, the leasing person, I guess, and they were like,
Speaker 1: you have to leave in an hour, Like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be back in an hour. Everyone has to leave. And
Speaker 1: the noise slash parking thing like that we had there.
Speaker 1: We had a lot of cars out front. I guess,
Speaker 1: I don't know. The rules were allegedly broken, and then
Speaker 1: it was not a thing where we could like discuss it.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like like Chris Likeri's dressed as a cat. Like
Speaker 1: we're all like in these like outfits. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: well we gotta go. So we have to like get
Speaker 1: out of our outfits and then you sort of get
Speaker 1: all of our ship together to leave. We don't know
Speaker 1: where we're going. This is happening Saturday. We're supposed to
Speaker 1: be supposed to be there Saturday Sunday. We eventually like
Speaker 1: found rooms at the Ace Hotel, which actually was kind
Speaker 1: of great, and so it all worked out, but we
Speaker 1: did not get to finish the competition. We do not
Speaker 1: know who wins. I guess we'll just have to resume
Speaker 1: it later. But the drama, the drama. You had a
Speaker 1: good time at the Ace, Oh my god, had a
Speaker 1: great time. And I feel like I feel like the
Speaker 1: Ace is always booked up in Palm Springs. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I think maybe because of COVID it wasn't as booked up.
Speaker 1: But we got a nice room and like we went
Speaker 1: to the pool. The pool was great, great mix of people.
Speaker 1: You know, there were straits there, there were queers there.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you couldn't you didn't know what the hell was
Speaker 1: going on. A guy in that and a guy in
Speaker 1: a straw hat that looked like a burning man type
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, came up to me it, took off
Speaker 1: his sunglasses, got on my level in the water, and
Speaker 1: asked me you vibing And I was like, I suppose
Speaker 1: I am, sir. I hope that that is like I
Speaker 1: don't know if that is welcome it pride, much like kink.
Speaker 1: I don't think that energy is welcoming pride. And I'm
Speaker 1: glad you got you got that experience out of the
Speaker 1: way before June hit. I mean yeah, basically like I was,
Speaker 1: like I said to him, I was like, you better
Speaker 1: float away because in just hours it's going to be
Speaker 1: June and you in this flat straw hat. I said.
Speaker 1: He had the big yeah Mark, Oh yeah he was.
Speaker 1: And he was the hottest man in the pool, hottest
Speaker 1: man in the pool. So you didn't you didn't fully
Speaker 1: dismiss it or hate it? No, No, I mean I was.
Speaker 1: He asked me if I was vibing, And there was
Speaker 1: a little part of me that's like, is this straight
Speaker 1: guy flirting with me? Because that that's an experience I've
Speaker 1: never had, like to be hooking up with a straight guy.
Speaker 1: And I was very in a place to try new
Speaker 1: things this weekend too. I don't as sure that's wonderful.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. So many of these people
Speaker 1: out here being like, I fucked my straight boss. It's like,
Speaker 1: are you lying? I don't believe you. I don't believe
Speaker 1: all queer people. I'm sorry. That's that's a real culture.
Speaker 1: That's a real culture. A number fifty bo yangyang does
Speaker 1: not not believe all weirder people. And a message to
Speaker 1: that person who said she sucked her straight boss. My
Speaker 1: whole thing is, you want to suck a straight person,
Speaker 1: that's wonderful. Don't suck your boss. Don't you eat at
Speaker 1: all ever in any situation. Sorry, sorry, um Mia Pharaoh. Sorry,
Speaker 1: why did I go there? Oh my god? Well, honestly,
Speaker 1: had she not sucked, stop No, don't you're victim blaming queen. No,
Speaker 1: you don't know where I was about to go. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, had she not sucked her boss, she
Speaker 1: wouldn't have gotten divorced. That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: That's the worst thing that happened to her. No, it's
Speaker 1: the only thing I'd bring into this conversation, all right,
Speaker 1: tell me. Oh, and by the way, I guess I
Speaker 1: do want to be honest with us about the readers
Speaker 1: I did have. I did have my first type of
Speaker 1: sexual varietal here, which was A three A three way.
Speaker 1: Is that what we're calling him sexual varietal varietal? Well,
Speaker 1: it's a variety of sexual activity. I guess. So yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I just I just I kind of im
Speaker 1: I'm interested by that phrasing, not necessarily by the fact
Speaker 1: that it happened. No, I'm so no, We've been over this.
Speaker 1: I've I was so happy for you. And the first
Speaker 1: person I told when you told me it was Suity
Speaker 1: because I was on vacation with her, was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Matt just had his first threesome. She didn't
Speaker 1: do it. I past of her. She was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. I think she was like genuinely happy. She was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was very happy. I really liked being like the
Speaker 1: guest star m like, oh, like, um, you know Reese
Speaker 1: Weatherspoon on Friends. I'm sorry Friends the top of mine.
Speaker 1: Because the reunion happened, did you watch it? I we
Speaker 1: we watched our our our vacation house to watch the
Speaker 1: first hour, and then we as soon as Malala came
Speaker 1: on to talk about how much. She loved the routine episode.
Speaker 1: We were like, all right, we gotta tap out. Could
Speaker 1: I be more of a survivor could I be more
Speaker 1: shot in the face by the Taliban. I wanted her
Speaker 1: to come out with the Rachel and be like and
Speaker 1: Jennifer U and Jennifer and would have grabbed, would have
Speaker 1: put her hands over her mouth in that way she
Speaker 1: does like, oh my god, oh my god. This impact
Speaker 1: of this show, the impact of this show. I have
Speaker 1: to say. We put it on. Lewis and I were
Speaker 1: watching it. We put it on, and we couldn't have
Speaker 1: been complaining about it more. We were like, this funk,
Speaker 1: this funk this. We put it on and we sat
Speaker 1: the whole time and we're like, yeah, no, I didn't
Speaker 1: think it was on record of saying I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: the Friends Reunion. But tbh, I think it depends on
Speaker 1: like and I think this is true of a lot
Speaker 1: of viewing experiences. It depends on social proof, which is like,
Speaker 1: you are laughing if people around your laughing at something,
Speaker 1: or you're you are enjoying something, if people around you
Speaker 1: are enjoying something, or or the or the opposite is true.
Speaker 1: But maybe that was the Friends reunion was maybe sort
Speaker 1: of a context dependent thing. Well, were you a friends persons?
Speaker 1: I wish I know this is the case? Is no
Speaker 1: and Slash? Were you with people? Because are the were
Speaker 1: the girls? Is I bet Heidi's a friends person? So
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Okay, so um you were Hidi and
Speaker 1: eight and Suti and selest ego, um and uh. It
Speaker 1: was a fun, fun group. But I will say I
Speaker 1: was not a friends person. I would catch it every
Speaker 1: week or so when it was still on. Remember the
Speaker 1: finale being such a moment did not make the list
Speaker 1: already say it did not, And I don't know that
Speaker 1: we have to do another list. I don't think we
Speaker 1: have to do another list to include that. But I
Speaker 1: Friends was always a little bit alienating to me because
Speaker 1: it was liked by all of I mean, it was
Speaker 1: liked by everybody, but is specifically passionately liked at the
Speaker 1: time by the mean white kids and drama club when
Speaker 1: I was a freshman, really, and it was like such
Speaker 1: a thing for them to fucking quote the ship out
Speaker 1: of it in a way that was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I know the Simpsons and Seinfeld and SNL, but they
Speaker 1: seem to they seemed to think that this Friends thing
Speaker 1: is like the best thing that's ever been made. Um,
Speaker 1: And of course I feel very righteous right now in
Speaker 1: one being like a Simpson Seinfeld like fucking masturbating piece
Speaker 1: of ship whatever. Dear no, but I friends always rubbing
Speaker 1: you the wrong way, and like we know, we all
Speaker 1: know at this point like problematic show with with the
Speaker 1: weird little moments. Six stars appreciate this sort of new
Speaker 1: model of sitcom that it created, where it was like
Speaker 1: an ensemble comedy love that was very emotional. Seeing Matthew
Speaker 1: Perry that was like that was like really tough, but
Speaker 1: like beautiful that he was there with everybody. Um. But
Speaker 1: otherwise I was like, otherwise, I was like, um put
Speaker 1: off by the reunion and I I think it was
Speaker 1: because me and Celest were there and we were shipping
Speaker 1: on it the whole time and we made everyone else
Speaker 1: feel bad about how homophobic and transphobic this show is.
Speaker 1: But then but then afterwards we stopped. And then afterwards
Speaker 1: Tidy and texted the group. She was like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: actually finishing up the Friends arena and it's actually parts
Speaker 1: of it are really sweet. And then I think like
Speaker 1: other people might have secretly fran Gillespie loves Friends, and
Speaker 1: she was like maybe the most hurt or vulnerable about
Speaker 1: watching it because she loves Friends so much. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. It's it's like anything else. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like sex in the City. You could say that,
Speaker 1: you can say, but I think I think Friends was
Speaker 1: just so it represents just like populist, like mainstream like
Speaker 1: when they when they were talking about how many people
Speaker 1: watch the Oh my god, and that's when you realize,
Speaker 1: like that's why all those people are so so, so,
Speaker 1: so so famous, whereas it feels like now almost no
Speaker 1: one is that famous. Like those people were huge, like
Speaker 1: Jennifer Aniston was, I mean still is obviously, but she's
Speaker 1: one of those last messages of like huge fucking TV star,
Speaker 1: crossover movie star, nineties mega star, general appeal, general audience
Speaker 1: loves four Quadrants loves Yeah. Yeah. And I will say,
Speaker 1: like it was fun to watch the interactions between them
Speaker 1: because it's like, and I've always been on record as
Speaker 1: being like, why are people so obsessed with seeing these
Speaker 1: six human beings share a space. I'm just like, it's
Speaker 1: like they do it all the time, Like it feels
Speaker 1: like you constantly see them get together again. The show
Speaker 1: is always on. But I do think it's like, I
Speaker 1: think it reminds people of old friends. I think it
Speaker 1: genuinely makes people feel like they're catching up with old friends.
Speaker 1: Like it. It almost felt like a reunion for the
Speaker 1: audience members that love that show as well as them.
Speaker 1: And like, I'll tell you, the only time it made
Speaker 1: me a little sad was when I felt like, Matthew
Speaker 1: Perry something was off. Do you know what the deal
Speaker 1: is there? I think he I think it was just
Speaker 1: he's just been through hell to Helena, He's just been
Speaker 1: He's just been to hell and back. Yeah, okay, Um,
Speaker 1: but oh you're right. That's interesting that people feel like
Speaker 1: they were see they felt like they were immersed in
Speaker 1: this sentiment sentimental thing of being like with old friends again.
Speaker 1: I completely get that completely. Um, And I don't need
Speaker 1: to sound like contrarian and gross by being like friends. Uh,
Speaker 1: but I don't know, I just I kind of felt
Speaker 1: nothing watching them altogether. And and the only thing that
Speaker 1: he was compelled by was Lisa Kudrow just being like
Speaker 1: so charming and funny and like ever like perennially good, funny,
Speaker 1: like captivating every single time she's on screen. I would
Speaker 1: say my favorite part of the show was always the
Speaker 1: girls anyway obviously, but like, yeah, so Lisa, and it
Speaker 1: was fun to see like Courtney and I love the
Speaker 1: Jen was crying almost the entire time. I do love
Speaker 1: Jen Aniston. I actually liked matt leblancan it more than
Speaker 1: I thought I would. He lays iconic and love I loved.
Speaker 1: I loved them talking about casting him where it was
Speaker 1: like you needed some guy who was hot but dumb
Speaker 1: but funny, and he was able to play all three
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, yeah, like it's it's such a
Speaker 1: great I don't know, like he is like a very
Speaker 1: singular talent and only he could have played Joey that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that what I walked away from
Speaker 1: thinking was wow, that was really like lightning and bottle chemistry,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because you watched the show
Speaker 1: and it is funny, Like the situations are like very
Speaker 1: much classic sitcom situations, Like they're well performed. They were
Speaker 1: good physical comedy, they were great physical comedians and just
Speaker 1: and just great, just all of them, all six of them,
Speaker 1: great actors, great actors. Yeah, and you get and also
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, I mean, you get this is
Speaker 1: so Finnan speaking to you about this, but it's like
Speaker 1: live performance as television. Like it feels like that used
Speaker 1: to be a real skill you needed to have to
Speaker 1: like book a sitcom like Back in the Night and
Speaker 1: then the obviously seventies, eighties, nineties like that was you
Speaker 1: know that that form of sitcop was sitcom rather was kiding.
Speaker 1: I guess we should just like you know, multi caam
Speaker 1: is what it's called, so we just say it um.
Speaker 1: But like watching them literally act out a play for
Speaker 1: an audience, I was like, that's like that would be
Speaker 1: a really cool thing to do. And now here you are.
Speaker 1: I'm here, I am trying to relate about that with you.
Speaker 1: Who does it ever? And here I am telling you
Speaker 1: every week that like I feel like I'm cursed. I
Speaker 1: don't think we'll ever go back to multicam. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's weird right like even now, it feels
Speaker 1: like everything is just there's just it's like it's like
Speaker 1: if it's a multiicam, it at least needs like a twist,
Speaker 1: Like did you see that show um that um Annie
Speaker 1: Murphy is doing. It's called Kevin can fuck himself. Is
Speaker 1: that like it's like a gritty, dark thing or well,
Speaker 1: what it is is half the show is a sitcom,
Speaker 1: is a multicam and then the other half. So basically
Speaker 1: when the when the husband is there, it's the world
Speaker 1: of a multicam and Annie Murphy's playing the wife and
Speaker 1: when he leaves, it's single cam and it's from her
Speaker 1: perspective and it's like dark and it's about her life. Hey,
Speaker 1: one Division, Queen Drew Roy. But basically it feels like
Speaker 1: everything in order to be multicam, if it doesn't exist
Speaker 1: down like CBS um, then it really it's it needs
Speaker 1: like a twist or something, or it's you know and
Speaker 1: like and like and like hence like one Division, even
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, it's like a tribute to old
Speaker 1: sitcoms and the novelty that they were doing it live
Speaker 1: was such a thing. It was such a thing. But
Speaker 1: then it's like, oh, but the twist is it's fucking
Speaker 1: m c U like the most high budget thing Hollywood
Speaker 1: has ever made, UM and so that and so it's
Speaker 1: just like that even further like makes it a novelty
Speaker 1: or you know what I mean, It makes it like
Speaker 1: a thing that's like, wasn't that a lovely bygone era
Speaker 1: of television? And now literally the only thing that's left
Speaker 1: in terms of live TV comedy or just live TV
Speaker 1: scripted live TV is like SNL. It's so, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess like these musicals, So how do
Speaker 1: you feel about Annie being the thing for NBC? Are
Speaker 1: they doing Annie? I guess we're just never getting Bye
Speaker 1: Bye Bertie. Then with Jayla, we're never getting by by Bertie.
Speaker 1: It's just never gonna happen. Yeah, true, like vapor where
Speaker 1: that's a video game term. Sorry, true, like it will
Speaker 1: be lost forever into the vapor. Goodbye to you as
Speaker 1: it were kids, good Bye bye to I really wanted
Speaker 1: to see her do that part. Okay, Annie, of that's
Speaker 1: that's fabulous. Obviously we're going to get someone to come
Speaker 1: stomp the boards as fucking miss Hannigan. Oh who do
Speaker 1: you think would be? Amy Adams? Do you think? I
Speaker 1: don't know? No, I'm just I'm just throwing a name
Speaker 1: out there. And then she was top of mind because
Speaker 1: you were talking about her. But I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of people can play her, right, I mean, you know
Speaker 1: who I think it will end up being. I think
Speaker 1: China with wind up being missan ag and I think
Speaker 1: she'll be fabulous. She'll be fabulous. Who's gonna be Warbucks?
Speaker 1: I think, like, um, Zachary Levi. Oh maybe he's too young,
Speaker 1: maybe a little too young, but you know, we can
Speaker 1: also do a young sexy Daddy Warbocks, a literal Zaddy Warbucks.
Speaker 1: You are Bucks. Um. Anyway, I just wanted to throw
Speaker 1: that out there. We have so much to catch up,
Speaker 1: we really do have. This is a true this is
Speaker 1: a true culture catch up. We haven't had one in
Speaker 1: a while. We did both hit our weed. You know,
Speaker 1: interest implements anything. I want to ask you one question though,
Speaker 1: can explain in a little bit more about your vacation.
Speaker 1: I told you a little bit, mom, and I just
Speaker 1: want to do a little bit more about yours and
Speaker 1: what the dynamics were, etcetera. And also I have another
Speaker 1: question after that. Go okay, I had I had a
Speaker 1: bifurcated vacation week. So Sunday, at noon after the SNL finale,
Speaker 1: I went to Fire Island, um and stay in the
Speaker 1: house there with some friends, so chill and tame, and
Speaker 1: the weather was kind of not great, so we just
Speaker 1: kind of stayed. I heard New York cut some ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah New York had bad, bad weather, but um mostly
Speaker 1: just stayed indoors and like played like jack box games
Speaker 1: and read a little. Yeah. Um oh but I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, my EGGSZMA really fucking my ass up. Okay,
Speaker 1: I have stuff for you. No, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: bought my stuff. I have a lot of colloidal oat meal.
Speaker 1: Well I'm just saying this. This it's called first aid
Speaker 1: ultra repair, like beauty cream. It's like a miracle stuff.
Speaker 1: And my dermatologist literally said, this is what you need
Speaker 1: because I have exema on my Yeah. Well it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's allergies being crazy this year. I had none
Speaker 1: last year and now it's it's it's it's I have
Speaker 1: been sneezing a lot more and I've had like this,
Speaker 1: like I've had this like productive allergg cough for like
Speaker 1: a week now. But I've gotten tested for COVID. It's
Speaker 1: not COVID. I swear to g it's not COVID. But anyway,
Speaker 1: um so did that until Wednesday, and then Wednesday through
Speaker 1: Saturday went to um the Hampton's with work friends and
Speaker 1: it was that looks so nice, like I love like,
Speaker 1: I love like a like a mainland long island out
Speaker 1: east vibe with sweatshirts, with sweatshirts. It was, it was fun.
Speaker 1: It was fun and um pulled my first I I'm
Speaker 1: okay to admit this to the readers, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was through a lot of so we we wanted
Speaker 1: to plan stuff for the group and Fran Gillespie found
Speaker 1: this vineyard or a friend recommended this in your to
Speaker 1: Fran Gillespie. Wolfer Estates shout out to Wolf for Estates.
Speaker 1: But she kept calling on Thursday trying to book something Friday,
Speaker 1: and they were like, they were like, we I'm sure
Speaker 1: everyone knows what this is. All all the readers know
Speaker 1: what this is. But they were like, We're so sorry.
Speaker 1: Everything's booked up. It's a Memorial Day is very busy.
Speaker 1: We we have nothing open. We have nothing open. And
Speaker 1: then Fran was like okay, and then it was it
Speaker 1: was not my idea, but it had been put out there.
Speaker 1: That's that one of the famous is should sort of call,
Speaker 1: should call. And then we were like, well, let's wait
Speaker 1: for eighty to get here on Friday, so that she
Speaker 1: being probably Queen Famous well, she I don't want to
Speaker 1: blow up her spot. But eighties, like I have an assistant,
Speaker 1: famous do you do? You understand what I'm saying? The
Speaker 1: rest of us are not. And so we were like,
Speaker 1: let's have eighties assistant to take care of it, because
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of what they do. This is,
Speaker 1: this is and butter and then and then we were
Speaker 1: just like, no, let's not, let's do And then Friday
Speaker 1: morning you woke up, and then Frand just kept bringing
Speaker 1: bringing up the fact that like, we should really go
Speaker 1: to this vineyard. We should really go to this vineyard?
Speaker 1: Should we what should we do? And then I was like,
Speaker 1: I am willing to really take a risk here. It's
Speaker 1: it felt very vulnerable and it is not I do
Speaker 1: not feel cool doing it, I should say. And it
Speaker 1: felt it felt cringe e and stupid and like, why,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I am I gonna do this? Really
Speaker 1: it's kind of for me. It would just be like
Speaker 1: getting on the phone and saying the words like what
Speaker 1: do what was wolf for? Estates? But I okay, if
Speaker 1: I should say that I did rehearse this to the
Speaker 1: group in the kitchen, and I have video of it.
Speaker 1: I have video of it. That I can maybe even play, Um,
Speaker 1: I can play. I'm gonna I'm gonna play the rehearsal video,
Speaker 1: but the rehearsal of Bowen Yang going to call the
Speaker 1: Wolf for Estates Vineyard and say, is it possible that
Speaker 1: we could get a table? It's the cast of SNL. Yes,
Speaker 1: So wait, maybe I don't have it. Let's see, all right,
Speaker 1: I've got some I'm staying in the area with some
Speaker 1: SNL I would would love to come by today if
Speaker 1: there's room for a tasting. What do I see? What
Speaker 1: I say? Oh my god? So there was a room
Speaker 1: for a tasting. No, so what it ended up being?
Speaker 1: And I was I was groggy, and I was eating
Speaker 1: a bag I had a mouthful of bagel. So what what? Okay,
Speaker 1: so do you want to So basically the operative word
Speaker 1: was the operative term was SNL. Folks like, okay, great,
Speaker 1: all right, Wolf for a State's Vineyard. This is Melissa
Speaker 1: speaking him Melissa, Um, this is Bowen Yang and I
Speaker 1: am staying in the area with some SNL folks, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure everything's very booked up. But we were just
Speaker 1: wondering if there was room for a table of eight
Speaker 1: at the tasting room today. Um uh um he can
Speaker 1: I check with my supervisor. Of course, this is exactly
Speaker 1: what happened. She was like, can I put you on hold? Um?
Speaker 1: So it's bo he says, bow and yang, he says, snl, folks.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can ask if she's here? Wait,
Speaker 1: what is that? That's the blonde Okay, I mean maybe she.
Speaker 1: I mean she probably would have been the one to call, right,
Speaker 1: because this is because still I think he's I know,
Speaker 1: I've seen that. I've seen that the Titanic thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's the who it is. I don't know
Speaker 1: if she's here. If she's here, why is the dishwasher running?
Speaker 1: Guys in our in our house? Turn that off? What
Speaker 1: do I get back on there? And said, is Kate
Speaker 1: McKay in with you? Like, I'm not gonna okay? You
Speaker 1: were You weren't even put on hold yesterday, fan, right,
Speaker 1: I think we can probably just if we put them
Speaker 1: in the back pattio not not the no, not the
Speaker 1: back pattio. If we make that okay, So if they
Speaker 1: say we can't, if they say there's room, do we
Speaker 1: still show audio? Do we still show up? Or is
Speaker 1: that too embarrassing that no one else is called. It's
Speaker 1: no one else's. It's a twenty seven minute drive. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: it's right, bowen hi, I think we can make that happen.
Speaker 1: How many people are your party? Eight? Eight? Okay? So
Speaker 1: U is anyone else going to be joining me? Um? Oh,
Speaker 1: are you asking for names specifically? I know. I wasn't
Speaker 1: goin to asking for names. It's just that, um if
Speaker 1: we if it's eight people, we have a setup for that.
Speaker 1: But if it's nine, we're not able to put an
Speaker 1: extra chair on the side of the table. I wasn't
Speaker 1: asking for extra names, and I'm not interested. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to imply that you were. I did
Speaker 1: see on the website that the seating cap for each
Speaker 1: reservation is eight people, so I I will respect that
Speaker 1: no one else will be joining. But thank you for asking. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you very helpful. And I did I did know.
Speaker 1: I did know the seating cap in my own restaurant.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Um uh not to uh not to us
Speaker 1: sink your boat? Right? Um yeah, I saw that one O.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm just gonna it was Kate McKinnon with you. No,
Speaker 1: but we who eighty Bryant Shrill Okay, we can do
Speaker 1: we can make She was on Girls, she was in
Speaker 1: the Oh yes, of course she was in she was
Speaker 1: in the Shoshana story. Of course she was the boss.
Speaker 1: H yeah, like the work superior, right her from just that. Yeah, yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: you guys can definitely come in and um we have
Speaker 1: a really nice area outside. Um, and that would be
Speaker 1: really fun. Thank you so much for your helping list. Well,
Speaker 1: I won't be here, but Kelly will, and so you
Speaker 1: can actually ask Kelly. She's she's going to be the
Speaker 1: hostess that's here, that gets in here at six. So
Speaker 1: there's one host of ship from one to five, and
Speaker 1: there's one from six to ten. Okay, so I'm seventeen,
Speaker 1: talk two guys later. That is actually not that far
Speaker 1: from what it actually was. I love when we do theater.
Speaker 1: And you were really God, you're such a real performer.
Speaker 1: One of the best performers lived in lived in not
Speaker 1: probably not at the point where I could call for
Speaker 1: a table ever. But so when when here's the thing
Speaker 1: were they did they immediately know like, oh of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course they know. So this girl, this girl was like,
Speaker 1: let me put you on hold because because and this
Speaker 1: happens all the time in their world. This is the
Speaker 1: reason why we I would not do this anywhere else
Speaker 1: except in the Hampton's and so and by the way,
Speaker 1: we were staying like a very small, stuffy, charming, beautiful
Speaker 1: house and him against it. It was not like a
Speaker 1: rowney situation, like everyone's got their own room. It was
Speaker 1: just like we were all like it was the type
Speaker 1: of place where people call and they do this exactly.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It wasn't the Cleveland Chilis. It wasn't the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Chilies. And so I was like, yes, please put
Speaker 1: us on hold. And then after about thirty seconds, she
Speaker 1: was like, we should be able to do that. Three
Speaker 1: thirty And at that point I see fran out of
Speaker 1: the corner of my eye, cheering silently because like this
Speaker 1: is what she was trying to do. But but then
Speaker 1: France for the rest of the day could not stop
Speaker 1: talking about how she was so quickly dismissed and brushed aside,
Speaker 1: and like that this this was the thing. And then
Speaker 1: and then we got there. We got there and they
Speaker 1: were very overtaxed, and you could tell because I like
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, we shouldn't have come here. We've
Speaker 1: been no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. It
Speaker 1: was wonderful because if they were over taxed, because they
Speaker 1: probably had, like Frank kept saying, like they probably had
Speaker 1: to buy a new oak table for us, and so
Speaker 1: like any time like we would fit. The second we finished,
Speaker 1: like a plate of tops or whatever server comes by,
Speaker 1: scoops it away from us, not a beat missed, like
Speaker 1: they need that extra plate for another table. So it
Speaker 1: was like they were stretched thin and we really appreciate them,
Speaker 1: and they were very nice. They treated us very well,
Speaker 1: and a lovely experience. Lovely experience. I love that you
Speaker 1: had that. I want to go to a vineyard so badly.
Speaker 1: I've never been. I've never I've never been to a
Speaker 1: vineyard in that capacity, neither of I. This is this,
Speaker 1: and and there's so many nice ones in California. But
Speaker 1: I want what I'd like to go. I would love
Speaker 1: to go. We should go. We should go, We should go.
Speaker 1: You and I should go. You know what I got
Speaker 1: really excited about. What are a live performance opportunity. We
Speaker 1: don't mean, we can't we can't reveal to tails. I
Speaker 1: don't know that can reveal details. But we are going
Speaker 1: to be We're doing a show and it's happening in August,
Speaker 1: and we just can't say what it is or where.
Speaker 1: We can't say what it is or where it is.
Speaker 1: It will be outside, which we love, which we love,
Speaker 1: in a very fun place. But that's all. We'll say.
Speaker 1: That's all interesting location. Wait, this is another thing that
Speaker 1: that happened in Palm Springs. I'll say this. The bars
Speaker 1: are just they're they're packed. It's packed. It's cuckoo, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you. Like, it felt like, wow, this is the
Speaker 1: first time I was like, oh, it's it's if it's
Speaker 1: not over. It's like, you can't tell these people it's
Speaker 1: not over. You're not telling them to rein it in
Speaker 1: and it felt incredible. I did go to an event
Speaker 1: or two when I returned to New York where it
Speaker 1: was you got to have the EXCELS your pass or
Speaker 1: proof of or electronic proof of vaccination or cial proof
Speaker 1: of vaccination in order to get inside, which I actually
Speaker 1: am like great, like that is like that is like
Speaker 1: compliant with like the science and the guidelines. And I
Speaker 1: was like, but there there were moments I was with
Speaker 1: Josh Sharp and we were like, Okay, this feels this
Speaker 1: feels like it's normal. But in a way that is
Speaker 1: overwhelming and disorienting. And then we went to thy Sunderland's
Speaker 1: birthday and it was eighties themed and the music was
Speaker 1: eighties and it was amazing. And then there were moments
Speaker 1: were like him and I were just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what time period. This sounds so silly, but we were
Speaker 1: both like, I truly do feel transported, and it feels
Speaker 1: like it's pre COVID in a real way, with like
Speaker 1: the music and all that. Like I forgot that. It
Speaker 1: was in a way that was both scary and satisfying.
Speaker 1: It was so crazy. We were walking into one of
Speaker 1: the establishments and Palm Springs and I was just like,
Speaker 1: it's I immediately flashed back to the last time I
Speaker 1: was there, and it didn't feel any different. Yet we
Speaker 1: all had had the experience of not being able to
Speaker 1: do that, so it did feel I will say, cathartic
Speaker 1: in many ways, but also it just it also then
Speaker 1: was just like it was just odd because it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it feels like a million years have passed, but also
Speaker 1: feels like this has just happened, and I just it
Speaker 1: is disorienting. It's so odd to go back to a
Speaker 1: place where it's just like yep, we and I wish
Speaker 1: that everywhere I went. I wish I could say everywhere
Speaker 1: I went was like and we need to see that
Speaker 1: excelsior past, But that wasn't see that. That would give
Speaker 1: that would make me a little nervous. It doesn't give
Speaker 1: me the kb gbs though, because I'm vaccinated, and I'm
Speaker 1: one of those people that's like, I don't know how
Speaker 1: you feel now that I'm vaccinated. I'm out there. I'm
Speaker 1: going for it. I like and listen, I I don't
Speaker 1: know how many more studies we need to see that
Speaker 1: are like, if you're vaccinated, you're extremely unlikely. The numbers
Speaker 1: in California and southern California are very loud. They're so
Speaker 1: far down there that it just it feels safe, and
Speaker 1: it almost it feels like at this point, like the
Speaker 1: venues that aren't open open, or the the areas where
Speaker 1: you have to sort of still do the I'll just
Speaker 1: say mask drag um in that sort of way. I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of like, really like is this helping at
Speaker 1: this point? Like I don't know in terms of capital
Speaker 1: CE really capital PC pop culture. Um, let's just say
Speaker 1: that whenever oppressed these mini series sort of trots along
Speaker 1: whenever they roll out a new one with one of
Speaker 1: the ladies and the lead role, and it looks like
Speaker 1: it has the potential you always hope it will end
Speaker 1: like Mayra East Town ended. I was thoroughly entertained, touched, moved,
Speaker 1: felt um felt uh like, I like it provoked thoughts
Speaker 1: within me by this piece of work. I loved it.
Speaker 1: I can't believe how much it managed to do much
Speaker 1: in the same The last time I felt this way,
Speaker 1: honestly not to be a bitch, was Watchman was thinking,
Speaker 1: how did they do all of that? It was so
Speaker 1: great and like a cab includes Mayor whatever. Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I but I we'll cut that out. Well,
Speaker 1: no we are not. But I mean I just, I
Speaker 1: literally I posted this thing that Aaron Jackson wrote on Instagram,
Speaker 1: and he was he was kind of like doing a
Speaker 1: bit on our It was like Mayor voted for Trump,
Speaker 1: Mayor Mayor's Blue lives matter whatever. And this is why
Speaker 1: we can't just appreciate what Kate Winslet has done, because
Speaker 1: we're gonna make it about Mayor voted for Trump. I
Speaker 1: don't even think Mayor voted for Trump. I don't think
Speaker 1: vote for Trump because Chavon, because chavan having a gay
Speaker 1: daughter made her think, I'm not going to vote for
Speaker 1: that man. You know who voted for Trump, the guy
Speaker 1: who stops her in the convenience store. I think Lorie
Speaker 1: voted for Trump because her husband voted for Trump. And
Speaker 1: I think Lorie is that kind of person who voted
Speaker 1: for Trump because her husband voted for And Katie's mom,
Speaker 1: I think Trump Katie's mom. Katie's felt left behind by
Speaker 1: the system. Well, like the fact like if if my
Speaker 1: daughter had been kidnapped, I would be full Q. I'd
Speaker 1: be like the pedophiles are out there, They're like, I
Speaker 1: would be full Q because it's that case. She was right, yeah, yeah, yeah, um.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Mayor of Easttown, Fantastic TV transcended even the
Speaker 1: barrier to entry that would be, Oh, I'm going to
Speaker 1: watch a show about cops. It's not it's it's it's you.
Speaker 1: I forgot. I forgot that, which is making which is
Speaker 1: maybe the most It is a show about it's about
Speaker 1: it's a show about family, it's a show about generational trauma.
Speaker 1: And I will say this, it's also a show about
Speaker 1: the patriarchy. But not in a way that I felt
Speaker 1: they were like at the end, they were like men
Speaker 1: did this to us? Like this was about like I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, like Mayor and Lorie their relationship,
Speaker 1: like it's just so interesting because they both I mean,
Speaker 1: Kate Winslett was so incredible, Julianne Nicholson was unbelievable in
Speaker 1: that last episode. They were so amazing together, and they
Speaker 1: really I think, um, we're able to capture a sort
Speaker 1: of energy and mentality that a lot of like these
Speaker 1: like women this age have and people this age have,
Speaker 1: which is like you get the sense that they're always
Speaker 1: tired because that's what they're truly working class like, and
Speaker 1: there's there's just this sense of satin And honestly, I
Speaker 1: did like it as like a not and you know
Speaker 1: we are actually it is still the Trump era, but
Speaker 1: as a Trump era piece of work. I thought, I
Speaker 1: get us that this reminds me of a type of
Speaker 1: community that is so literally depressed. Like not to say
Speaker 1: that there that it's sad where they live, but there's
Speaker 1: just a lot of people, you know. There was like
Speaker 1: that scene where the Dylan's new girlfriend because she had
Speaker 1: gotten in trouble, was like, well, now I can't go
Speaker 1: to college, so I'm gonna go to the beauty shop.
Speaker 1: And these people that have lived in these towns all
Speaker 1: their life and everyone knows each other and they're all
Speaker 1: up in each other's business. Like that scares me sometimes
Speaker 1: because I think when people's worlds are very small, um,
Speaker 1: they they resist um big ideas from outside the world.
Speaker 1: And so I think that's what But but I will
Speaker 1: say that I felt that this community of people was
Speaker 1: humanized by the fact that they love their family, Like
Speaker 1: you get a sense, a real sense in this show
Speaker 1: about what's important to these people. Their relationships are very
Speaker 1: clear year and very specific, and I think that was
Speaker 1: a real strength of it being set in such a
Speaker 1: specific like you know, Philly Town, East Town, because um,
Speaker 1: it made it like it was like the Sopranos in
Speaker 1: that way, and that was like a literal family, Like
Speaker 1: I felt like every character had a real sense of
Speaker 1: personhood place like you really got where they were coming from.
Speaker 1: And it did sort of you know, I didn't make
Speaker 1: heroes are like but I thought it like really flesh
Speaker 1: these people out of tragic figures in a way that
Speaker 1: I don't think often people in like communities like this
Speaker 1: get that on television, sure, or you never get a
Speaker 1: good sense of how these people know each other or
Speaker 1: relate to each other. I think the fact that it's
Speaker 1: Mayor and Laurie and and the other her other friends
Speaker 1: or her other people who she knows in the East town.
Speaker 1: The fact that, for some reason I love and obsessed
Speaker 1: with the detail that they were all on the same
Speaker 1: basketball team in high school. Me too, I love that.
Speaker 1: I think that's so that's such a great smart way
Speaker 1: of like okay, like the relationships are like settled in
Speaker 1: and there's we don't have to really explain them, but
Speaker 1: we just you you just get to demonstrate in a
Speaker 1: couple of scenes like what this is, what this was?
Speaker 1: You go to the reunion, you go to the thing
Speaker 1: where they come out, and you know, they give them
Speaker 1: the they hang the band or the award whatever it
Speaker 1: was in that pilot in the in the first episode,
Speaker 1: I'm like, great, Okay, then, like that answers so many
Speaker 1: quiet like you don't have. It doesn't feel like an introduction,
Speaker 1: and it feels like this is all um organic, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, well, this is what I liked about it.
Speaker 1: This is like a more substinct way of saying what
Speaker 1: I was saying, it was it got really specific with
Speaker 1: what this town was, where it was, who these people were,
Speaker 1: even the accent work. And this is why I think
Speaker 1: it's so important that they got so specific with the
Speaker 1: accent work. And I think that was one of Kate
Speaker 1: Winslet's like number one things. So she was like, we're
Speaker 1: all going to do the accent because it's going to
Speaker 1: make the more characters, the characters more specific, and that's
Speaker 1: going to make the whole show more specific. So basically
Speaker 1: it's like you really they really felt very real. And
Speaker 1: it when when when the source material and the writing
Speaker 1: is that specific, and you know what, you get that
Speaker 1: specific with the costuming, you allow the actors to get
Speaker 1: so specific and so nuanced. And this, I think across
Speaker 1: the board was some of the best ensemble acting I
Speaker 1: had seen a really long time, and it was and
Speaker 1: it was a big cast. So that's why I say
Speaker 1: it reminded me of the Sopranos because it was like
Speaker 1: really good work from a lot of people, and and
Speaker 1: for that many people to feel clear and the relationship
Speaker 1: to feel clear is really tough. Obviously, Like Kate Winslett
Speaker 1: is the number one person on the call sheet and
Speaker 1: she like, lad this through all the way I think
Speaker 1: this is the best work of her career. But all
Speaker 1: the way down, this is really really really good work.
Speaker 1: Down to we gotta shout out. So see miss soci Bacon.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you guys, that's our friends, Socie is.
Speaker 1: We've known Socie for a long time, and she fucking
Speaker 1: crushed Socie Brava. That was phenomenal. And oh boy, did
Speaker 1: I pick the wrong fucking night to get Stone and
Speaker 1: watch Mayor there during that bathtub at this scene, Oh no,
Speaker 1: that was not the vibe I actually had. I had
Speaker 1: deposit I had deposited and walk away. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is too much. I was about to weep and
Speaker 1: just wheeze from like shocked. I was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I So at three, at this point we should say
Speaker 1: spoiler alert. So at this point we're gonna say we
Speaker 1: have not been spoiler not given anything. We've only talked
Speaker 1: about the quality. But another thing about the show is
Speaker 1: that is not one of the outcomes. I guessed, oh,
Speaker 1: you're you're talking about on the mystery level. Yes, well,
Speaker 1: but and yet it's still like the show itself build
Speaker 1: out the mystery in a very like time tested way.
Speaker 1: It's like like it's all there. It's there, it's it's
Speaker 1: a Christie novel, it's literally but and yet it's also
Speaker 1: like a show about depressed community, about um family, about
Speaker 1: intergenerational trauma, about all these things, about the Patriot It's like,
Speaker 1: how do they do all that? Yeah, it was, it was,
Speaker 1: And I think it's because they got specific with the characters,
Speaker 1: and especially with the lead character. We knew so much
Speaker 1: about her from the beginning, Like we knew that she
Speaker 1: had a like like a storied athletic past locally, we
Speaker 1: knew that she was divorced. She was like like like
Speaker 1: she was put on a pedestal as this hero of
Speaker 1: the town. And yes, yes, she's always chased that and
Speaker 1: and and that's also the fact of the matter, being
Speaker 1: that she was dealing with the suicide of her son.
Speaker 1: And so just how much we and I think that's
Speaker 1: like really tough to do, Like you have to know
Speaker 1: that in order to get that much across like that
Speaker 1: quickly in the first episode, you have to be really good.
Speaker 1: So shout out to the writer and director of this
Speaker 1: And yeah, Craig Dobel, and I believe Brad Gillespie is
Speaker 1: the name of the Yes Brad Inglesby. So this was
Speaker 1: really good because think about how much we knew in
Speaker 1: that first episode, and that wasn't and it was a
Speaker 1: compelling episode. And it wasn't even the murder, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean that it doesn't even happen and they
Speaker 1: don't find her until the second episode, and that was
Speaker 1: also compelling. And so I just but to be And
Speaker 1: I think one of the best episodes of television of
Speaker 1: the year is that fifth episode that ends in spoiler
Speaker 1: alert when um, when your boy dies, When your boy dies.
Speaker 1: But I never they did. They did full vulture right
Speaker 1: up about how they had to shoot that scene over
Speaker 1: like three separate days or something or there was was
Speaker 1: three different sets, but maybe it was shot over like
Speaker 1: the course of like a week or two or something
Speaker 1: like that. Um. But that pilot too, where I didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't read enough of like the discourse around this
Speaker 1: during the pilot because because I got onto it like
Speaker 1: episode four, I I came on in the middle of
Speaker 1: the season. But we're people thinking that like the air
Speaker 1: and stuff when they cut to Aaron like texting, like
Speaker 1: I thought that they were that. I thought those are
Speaker 1: flashbacks and the way that the way that interplays with
Speaker 1: like like it's like Kate Staple, It's it's Mayor stapling
Speaker 1: the Katie like missing girl Katie posters as it leads
Speaker 1: up to Aaron getting murdered, and so the audience has
Speaker 1: led to believe that this is that girl, and like
Speaker 1: and then there's a there's an extra layer of shock
Speaker 1: when you realize it's a different person, And I'm just like,
Speaker 1: how the funk do you do that? In the pilot?
Speaker 1: I think that you um experience it like that, and
Speaker 1: it is a valid way to experience it. I did
Speaker 1: not think it was a flashback. I thought I was
Speaker 1: thinking it was like a different girl, And honestly, I
Speaker 1: did not know that she was going to be the
Speaker 1: girl that died, because they were referencing that other girl,
Speaker 1: and I was like, maybe that's the mystery we're experiencing here,
Speaker 1: and this character, the girl is going to come into
Speaker 1: play another way, maybe she'll get abducted or something. I
Speaker 1: did not know she was going to be the murder victims.
Speaker 1: So I think that you're right that that is like
Speaker 1: it was like a sort of maybe valid misdirect in
Speaker 1: the show. But but when you go back and watch
Speaker 1: it and you know that the Sun was sending the
Speaker 1: text and you see her getting the text and sending
Speaker 1: It's just because I did go back and watch the
Speaker 1: first two episodes that that's that who that's the Sun
Speaker 1: was saying the text to the dad, No, the text
Speaker 1: to the girl because she was watching the first episode
Speaker 1: that the person she was texting was John was yeah,
Speaker 1: and so, and it's just it's they did it well
Speaker 1: because because after that last episode, I did go back
Speaker 1: and I was like, because I am the kind of person.
Speaker 1: I mean, you heard my review of Promising Young Woman.
Speaker 1: When a logic thing doesn't work for me, like, I
Speaker 1: can't let it go. So I went back to the
Speaker 1: two first two episodes and it's pretty good. They did
Speaker 1: a pretty damn good job. And it's really fun to
Speaker 1: watch the performances of the cousins, Uh, Billy and John
Speaker 1: now that you know they knew everything that was happening.
Speaker 1: And it's really fun to track the son Ryan because
Speaker 1: you now you see him the whole time and you
Speaker 1: know he's killed someone, so it really fills in the
Speaker 1: whole thing. I mean, they did do a really interesting
Speaker 1: thing with a lot of scenes where like, for example,
Speaker 1: when we see and I believe the sixth episode, John
Speaker 1: saying to Billy, I need you to say it, and
Speaker 1: he says I killed her, Like that was that was
Speaker 1: a trick on the audience. We didn't know we were
Speaker 1: joining that scene in the media rez as they say,
Speaker 1: in progress. But they do that a lot. They also
Speaker 1: did that when John was telling yes and so they
Speaker 1: used that a couple of times and so but they
Speaker 1: But I never felt like I was being cheated by
Speaker 1: the show. But ever never, And it's like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is the thing you can only do in a piece
Speaker 1: of film or a piece of like a piece of television,
Speaker 1: where it's like you wouldn't be able to do that.
Speaker 1: And let's say, I not get the Christie novel. No,
Speaker 1: it's so genius. And first of all, I need to
Speaker 1: I think this is the summer where I get into
Speaker 1: Miss Agatha. I mean also also problematic, very the blue print,
Speaker 1: but also like you know, Agatha, Christie and Friends has
Speaker 1: something in common very you know, problematic pass um, but
Speaker 1: murder on the links. I mean, I'm getting into Miss
Speaker 1: Parow dear. But it is really, it is, really it's
Speaker 1: fun to be a part of it. I do think
Speaker 1: this was superior to the Undoing, which now in retrospect
Speaker 1: really magnitude. Yeah, yeah, it really feels like soapy camp
Speaker 1: now looking back, which is fine, Like we love soapy camp.
Speaker 1: But what I liked about Mayor of Eastown is I
Speaker 1: genuinely felt it honestly reminded me of big little lies
Speaker 1: where I felt at the end of the show it
Speaker 1: had said something, you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 1: didn't think the Undoing said anything besides that basic basic
Speaker 1: thing of like you never know if you think your
Speaker 1: husband did it, he did it, like you don't know
Speaker 1: your partner. It wasn't really poignant to me, It's just interesting.
Speaker 1: But we I'm still traumatized by seeing sucking Ellen Alvez
Speaker 1: being bludgeoned to death so many times, like there are
Speaker 1: there are a lot of things about the Undoing that
Speaker 1: I still dislike deeply. Yeah, Well, the under did not
Speaker 1: have respect for her as a as a woman, and
Speaker 1: they treated her like a body and a victim. Literally
Speaker 1: when we find her murdered, her face is bludgeoned in,
Speaker 1: but her like deck lttage, is exposed pristine, and she's
Speaker 1: new in the very first episode, and she's she's that
Speaker 1: typical like exotic victim that shows like this love and
Speaker 1: I honestly was surprised that Nicole didn't have more involvement
Speaker 1: in that or changed that more because she was one
Speaker 1: of the producers of Big Little Lies and you feel
Speaker 1: hat does know more about this type of thing. I digress.
Speaker 1: I felt like Mayor of Easttown, even in the violence
Speaker 1: and in the scoring, and there was like a real
Speaker 1: reverence and respect for the fact that this was a
Speaker 1: human being. They never like, you know, even though right
Speaker 1: even though she was like discovered in a state of undressed,
Speaker 1: like we don't linger on her Adie, we see, we
Speaker 1: were mostly on Mayor and realizing this is the fact
Speaker 1: that this is a child that she knows, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, yes, there was a quote unquote
Speaker 1: violence against women in this show, but it felt like, um,
Speaker 1: it was a service to a to a story and
Speaker 1: to a uh a lesson or something. It was never
Speaker 1: cinematized or dramatized in a way that was like all right, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it it also is about the loss of children,
Speaker 1: and I think, especially like with Mayor and Lori at
Speaker 1: the end, like you know, Mayor who has lost her son,
Speaker 1: ends up being instrumental in Lorie losing hers But I think,
Speaker 1: and I think some people are on one side of
Speaker 1: it where they're like, I can see why maybe it
Speaker 1: was going to be satisfying for her to let her
Speaker 1: have her son, because you know, um, she knows what
Speaker 1: it's like to lose one. But I genuinely think it
Speaker 1: was the right thing for her to do, because what
Speaker 1: happens if the kid gets away with it is he's
Speaker 1: going to live with that secret, and the family is
Speaker 1: going to live with that secret. Is going to rob
Speaker 1: them from the inside, and we see what happens to
Speaker 1: people in a town like that when they give up.
Speaker 1: So it's like, I think it was the right thing
Speaker 1: to do, And I felt like it was so satisfying
Speaker 1: that the moment where Kate finds out, where Kate figures
Speaker 1: out what really happens, I mean, God, Kate winslet She
Speaker 1: was not false for a second. She was real and
Speaker 1: grounded and compelling and captivating from every frame. It was
Speaker 1: a masterclass in every frame, the like her, the flashback
Speaker 1: to her going up, the addict, going up, the addict,
Speaker 1: the collapsing, and then like mustering up the strength to
Speaker 1: I'm like how the fuck do you do that on
Speaker 1: any level physically. It's because she she got specific. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you she is. She is one of our best
Speaker 1: and she's and I will say that she has had
Speaker 1: like you know, Ammann, I was a lot of people
Speaker 1: really liked it. Um, it didn't slam as much as
Speaker 1: hard as I think they all think it was going to.
Speaker 1: But she's kind of had a rough few years. Like
Speaker 1: I know, not a lot of people love jobs. You know,
Speaker 1: she had that weirdness where she was working with Woody
Speaker 1: Allen for a second and she apologized. And I feel
Speaker 1: like things haven't necessarily been popping off for Kate since
Speaker 1: she won an oscar, really, but this was like I
Speaker 1: think she really took the time to find something where
Speaker 1: she could really dig in and get specific. I think
Speaker 1: that she was genius to work on this, and she
Speaker 1: from the very beginning also managed to be funny. It's like,
Speaker 1: this is such a cheap thing to point out, but
Speaker 1: like her like eating things is great as it's such
Speaker 1: a great thing to watch. Just a lot of like
Speaker 1: lived in little moments. Um. The relationship with her and
Speaker 1: Jean Smart was so that mother and daughter, like not
Speaker 1: even for a second where they like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's usually right before they even start talking to each other.
Speaker 1: You know, they're annoyed and every single interaction and that's
Speaker 1: important in the in the East Coast. Oh, that's funny,
Speaker 1: That's really funny. Um. I'm sorry, I'm being such a dumbass,
Speaker 1: but I told you right that, or I told Sudie
Speaker 1: for sure that Kate texted Jeans Smart the murdered sketch.
Speaker 1: She did, because I think she said this on seth Myers. Um.
Speaker 1: But Kate sent Jeane Smart the murder sketch, which means
Speaker 1: that she watched she did, And can I can I
Speaker 1: actually say something about not to go not to bring
Speaker 1: up the uh like women violence against women as it's
Speaker 1: portrayed on tv UM. But being in the murder sketch,
Speaker 1: there wasn't There was an actor who was the body,
Speaker 1: who was playing the body that was a real person
Speaker 1: under this piece of cloth. And there was such even
Speaker 1: just in this little sketch that was shot over the
Speaker 1: course of like eight hours at like you know, three
Speaker 1: in the morning on on Friday night, there was something
Speaker 1: really upsetting and alarming on a visceral level for me
Speaker 1: as a person to stand there and like I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess this would be for anybody, but
Speaker 1: like this like presumably naked, that this naked woman under
Speaker 1: a sheet, like standing there and like having it sort
Speaker 1: of dissonantly be like, oh, okay, that's this person's alive
Speaker 1: and they're okay and they're comfortable and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, but wait, this is just like hard.
Speaker 1: This is you have to make such a conscious choice
Speaker 1: to like peel back the layers on this. And that's
Speaker 1: what upsets me even more when I think back on
Speaker 1: the undoing, It's like it's it was a choice for
Speaker 1: them to keep showing that body and the and the
Speaker 1: and and and the violence and and the face and
Speaker 1: the and the head being bludgeoned. That's why I do
Speaker 1: think it's important though, because and and not this not
Speaker 1: to be like unfun because like I said, the undoing
Speaker 1: was very fun to watch, and it's no disrespect like
Speaker 1: we love Nicole, we loved watching across the Street, but
Speaker 1: and it was stupid and silly and it was even thrilling.
Speaker 1: But the difference between this and that is like like
Speaker 1: with in Mayor VI East Town, even in that scene
Speaker 1: where you see what happens with Ryan and Aaron. There's
Speaker 1: almost like like an elegance to the way that they
Speaker 1: shot it. Um, and maybe this is and also just
Speaker 1: understand that if I'm giving a little bit of a
Speaker 1: problem out of take here, genuinely, it's it's coming from
Speaker 1: a place of like I'm trying to find a way
Speaker 1: that we can do these things, and like, um, it
Speaker 1: not feel like the undoing felt like when I watched
Speaker 1: Mayra v. East Town, I felt sad for everyone involved.
Speaker 1: I felt like it was a tragedy. When I was
Speaker 1: watching the Undoing, I just felt like angry and upset.
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, this feels like pulp in
Speaker 1: a way that's just like this actually happens to women
Speaker 1: all the time and we're just having fun with it
Speaker 1: and still sexualized. Like this isn't yeah different, This isn't
Speaker 1: problematic at all. I don't actually mean it's a problematic
Speaker 1: take Um. What what I mean is just like I
Speaker 1: don't know how people feel about even this being a
Speaker 1: constant thing, Like literally this is like you know, if
Speaker 1: it's this seems to be the seven the you know,
Speaker 1: seventh or ninth show in a row where it's like
Speaker 1: a girl is murdered. You know, I get that it's like, um,
Speaker 1: it's I guess that it's like a trope of television.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying like, let's see a boy murdered,
Speaker 1: but it's just it, just as you know, I wonder
Speaker 1: how people feel about it, that it's just again and
Speaker 1: again and again and again. I'm a little worn out
Speaker 1: by it. I don't know. I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: think this is what Hollywood does, which is they take
Speaker 1: one thing that is somewhat successful and then they drive
Speaker 1: it into the ground. But um, I thought this was fantastic.
Speaker 1: I thought this was this And watchment Or like probably
Speaker 1: my favorite mini series in the last decade or so.
Speaker 1: I just, oh, god, so good. You still have watched Watchman?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you just a flop. I am going
Speaker 1: to watch Okay, So just so you know, like I
Speaker 1: have been branching out and I've been watching different things.
Speaker 1: And also I'm going to be doing I can't say
Speaker 1: what this is yet, but I'm going to be doing
Speaker 1: a podcast that is me watching and I'm actually quite
Speaker 1: excited about it. I'm very excited to listen to it.
Speaker 1: And I'll discussed more about that later, but I'm going
Speaker 1: to be branching out and getting over myself a little
Speaker 1: bit more because I am ready to branch out from
Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of it All on the reality TV
Speaker 1: of it All. That being said, have you watched New
Speaker 1: York and Beverly Hills so far? I have not watched
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. I've I've only watched up until the like
Speaker 1: the episode where they were Ramona. I was gonna say
Speaker 1: they bully Ramona, but no, it's just Ramona being fucking
Speaker 1: I want to fucking you don't love Ramona. I it's
Speaker 1: I really there are. I don't think I have this
Speaker 1: level of disdain for anyone. She is not your girl.
Speaker 1: She's not my girl. They cut my thing out when
Speaker 1: I was on watch It Happens live. It might be
Speaker 1: the reason I've never invited back. But I called out
Speaker 1: Ramona for being a fucking racist. Well listen, here's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, um she I think that Ramona is quote
Speaker 1: unquote trying. I don't know. So I am wary of
Speaker 1: her at all times because that person what happened to her.
Speaker 1: As like a season starts, everyone's like, oh, we're back
Speaker 1: on board, and then it ends and it's like we
Speaker 1: she needs to go, and then somehow she sneaks back
Speaker 1: in and she Maybe it's because sometimes it is funny
Speaker 1: and ridiculous to watch what she does and says. But
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: value in that anymore. She's she's been doing this for
Speaker 1: twelve fucking year, thirteen fucking years, and it's and it's bad.
Speaker 1: It's tired. That person, that type of I'm sorry woman
Speaker 1: in reality TV. I think ink. I don't think she
Speaker 1: should be the template for what housewives are. I don't
Speaker 1: think we'd miss her. I don't think that I rarely
Speaker 1: miss anyone. Like right now, I'll say this, like I
Speaker 1: love Dorenda. I don't miss I do, and she needs
Speaker 1: to go figure it out. I just don't like it.
Speaker 1: And this is the thing that there's Sonya this year too,
Speaker 1: Like I don't like it when the narrative is so
Speaker 1: and so is drunk struggling. I don't struggling. Yes, is
Speaker 1: one thing, but oftentimes on this franchise, they're struggling because
Speaker 1: they're drunk all the time. And like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to watch a narrative happened on this particular show anymore
Speaker 1: where the narrative is, oh, this person is wasted and
Speaker 1: it's stopping. It's just to New York. It's they have
Speaker 1: a serious problem. And I think that, you know, it's
Speaker 1: good that Luan and Leah are sober, but Sonya, she's
Speaker 1: just it's so tough to watch. It's just hard to watch.
Speaker 1: And I literally mean that it's hard to watch it.
Speaker 1: And so I don't want to get to the point
Speaker 1: where I don't anymore, but I may, but I do
Speaker 1: think there's other good things about it. But Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: has been where it's at. Okay, this might be the
Speaker 1: season that I fully start sort of on top, like
Speaker 1: you know, in real time, and watch it in real time.
Speaker 1: And we're getting Potomac back soon. I can't wait for Potomac.
Speaker 1: Potomac is. Potomac is like the ideal current version of
Speaker 1: that kind of show for me, where it's like I
Speaker 1: want to like on some level all of these women.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it's that fun. I don't
Speaker 1: love to hate any of these people, like I really
Speaker 1: love it when it's like I am I care about
Speaker 1: what happens to this to all of these people sort
Speaker 1: of like and That's why, like that that is the
Speaker 1: value prop of the full of the of the show.
Speaker 1: It's like, these are a group of women were following,
Speaker 1: We're gonna see them interact with each other. You should
Speaker 1: be able to be interested in any iteration of or
Speaker 1: any like you know, permutation of these women in a room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do check I do check out when it's Ramona
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't want to know what this
Speaker 1: fucking dark ass person is going through. You don't really
Speaker 1: feel like you're getting a sense of like what's up
Speaker 1: up there? You know what I mean? Because it's just
Speaker 1: so cypical with her speaking of all this. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: the COVID of it all. It's in York. I think
Speaker 1: I think it's hard in New York. But I think,
Speaker 1: like I love that we're all like ditched the mask
Speaker 1: for the most part. Now love that. But I think
Speaker 1: there should still not be too much collective amnesia about
Speaker 1: the people who fucking sucked in the beginning, including Ramona
Speaker 1: fucking singer. You're talking. This is interesting because there was
Speaker 1: the scene where like Leah was confronting her about lying
Speaker 1: about donating the plaza, about lying about which is a
Speaker 1: fucking despicable lie. Yeah, And so I was sitting there,
Speaker 1: I was watching with Jardan Joel, and I remember thinking
Speaker 1: to myself like, alright, like, is Lea going in a
Speaker 1: little hard now? And then then you know what, this
Speaker 1: is what I remembered. They shot it in like October,
Speaker 1: So honestly, I was like, I think that is just
Speaker 1: my like may of it all talking because if it
Speaker 1: was October and it had just come out, and this
Speaker 1: is like and by the way, COVID's going to get
Speaker 1: worse from this point, like from from the point where
Speaker 1: they are. So like if I was, if we were
Speaker 1: truly in the throes of COVID and someone was there
Speaker 1: and I knew for a fact that she lied about
Speaker 1: donating the platelets, like I would into you, I would
Speaker 1: have gone into sucking hate Ramona Singer. Do you see
Speaker 1: my face right now? Yeah? I see your face. You're
Speaker 1: literally beat red and see her it's on site. Well
Speaker 1: it certainly when and here's what I'm gonna say. This
Speaker 1: is coming from someone we've fallen very far, because you
Speaker 1: are someone who once saw her on the street and
Speaker 1: went up to her for a picture. Because back because
Speaker 1: this was what season seven or whatever, it's like five
Speaker 1: years ago, I was just like, I was just a
Speaker 1: fucking random little faggot that she's probably been a million
Speaker 1: different times being Ramona and take a picture, and I
Speaker 1: fully I've walked into that person as like as in
Speaker 1: like that kind of person who would approach her that way,
Speaker 1: And it was she was truly had such dark energy
Speaker 1: emanating for her ports and you can cheel it. I
Speaker 1: could feel it. I can feel it. Also. The not
Speaker 1: being able to remember anyone's name ever, it just means
Speaker 1: you don't think about anyone but yourself, like flat out,
Speaker 1: and so how can you trust someone like that? You
Speaker 1: need to be able to remember people's names when you've
Speaker 1: met them fifteen times? I literally hated you. I hate
Speaker 1: it when I've met someone three times and they go
Speaker 1: have we met? It's like, oh god, you make me
Speaker 1: feel small. And of course I would never make an
Speaker 1: issue of it, because I also don't think so honey
Speaker 1: when I when I do that to someone and I
Speaker 1: know it's only been one time, or I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to be polite and be like, hey, we've met before,
Speaker 1: and like and they go, yeah, set many times, I
Speaker 1: would never do that, but I also don't like it
Speaker 1: happens to me. Oh no, oh no, no, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I'm with you anyway. I'm sorry. I just no, yeah,
Speaker 1: you had to go off. I oh, Ramona, Um, but
Speaker 1: I will, I will start Beverly Hills. I needs just good.
Speaker 1: It's just good. And so hold on, hold on. No,
Speaker 1: you're misdirecting, because I need you to watch watchmen like
Speaker 1: you and you and you and this new like m
Speaker 1: C U kick. I love it. I love it for you,
Speaker 1: But you are you need to round out your consumption.
Speaker 1: You're you're you're diet of you know, superhero comic bookie
Speaker 1: things with watching. It's one of the best types of
Speaker 1: It's one of the best things out of that genre.
Speaker 1: If you want to lump it in with like all
Speaker 1: all the m C stuff, I will absolutely watch it.
Speaker 1: I've just I've had a few other shows I was watching,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm watching now in treatment. I wanted
Speaker 1: to bring this up with with and can I say
Speaker 1: I think that when Uzzo was an Orange of the
Speaker 1: New Luck, maybe it's just just because Orange the New
Speaker 1: Luck went on for a long time and Crazy Eyes
Speaker 1: was such a fixture for a while there. When she
Speaker 1: first hit the scene, I was like, Oh, she's incredible,
Speaker 1: and then I think I just got so much crazy
Speaker 1: eyes from her that I was like, Okay, uzzoduba whatever, Uzzo,
Speaker 1: I love Uzo. Uzzo is so good. Like literally, there
Speaker 1: there are scenes basically have you ever watched the olden Treatment?
Speaker 1: I didn't watch the old one? But then who is
Speaker 1: that that woman who ended up being on Gray's Melissa
Speaker 1: George Melissa George. Yes, so she's fantastic on it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I in Treatment has this weird I first, Okay,
Speaker 1: my physics teacher who was an asshole, my physics professor
Speaker 1: who was an asshole in college standing treatment a way
Speaker 1: that actually made me not want to watch the show.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't like you. You like in Treatment.
Speaker 1: You you keep mentoring it in her lectures about, you know,
Speaker 1: light physics, and I don't want I don't want to
Speaker 1: watch the show. It's that. That's my stupid little hang up.
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with the show. Go on, Well, um,
Speaker 1: you should try to get over that, because I actually
Speaker 1: think it's a very it's a really good show. And
Speaker 1: basically what it is for people that don't know is
Speaker 1: they released four episodes a week and Uzo Adubo plays
Speaker 1: a therapist. Originally it was Gabriel burn in the the
Speaker 1: original version that came out about fifteen years ago. So
Speaker 1: she plays a therapist. Then every week they released four
Speaker 1: episodes and she has three clients and then one is
Speaker 1: like her getting her help. So, um, Anthony Rommel's plays
Speaker 1: one of the people she's therapizing. And then it's John
Speaker 1: Michael Higgins. No, that's not's not true. That's not true.
Speaker 1: That's not true. Oh god, what is this. No, it's
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's John Benjamin Hickey. Can we take
Speaker 1: that again? Um, John Benjamin Hickey. And Um. Then this
Speaker 1: other girl I don't know, but her name is Quintessa Swindel.
Speaker 1: I believe, and yeah, so so and every episode is
Speaker 1: like a twenty six minute session with one of them.
Speaker 1: And so they released all four and then the next
Speaker 1: week you'll see all four again. It's week one, week two,
Speaker 1: week three before so you follow their therapy sessions and
Speaker 1: so every episode is like a thirty minute therapy session. Um.
Speaker 1: And it's just it's like a long play each episode,
Speaker 1: and it's just really good acting and they're there, there
Speaker 1: are issues that they eventually find the therapy sessions are
Speaker 1: very specific. Like I said before, with May Time, you
Speaker 1: gotta get specific, and it's just again it's like the
Speaker 1: acting is so good. And then in like the fourth episode,
Speaker 1: which is the one that focuses on Uso every week,
Speaker 1: you get a sense of what she is going through.
Speaker 1: And she's also very personally compelling. So you see her
Speaker 1: at her job and see how the people that are
Speaker 1: her clients affect her, and then see how she's acting
Speaker 1: in her own life, and it's just interesting to see
Speaker 1: the like tortured inner life of someone who has to
Speaker 1: provide stability to these people and help them get to
Speaker 1: the core of what's going on. And it does take
Speaker 1: place during COVID, which I was like it, but then
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, well, that's what kind of makes
Speaker 1: it a show for now, is you know that? That's
Speaker 1: that's the reason to reboot it. Exactly exactly love it.
Speaker 1: And Uso is also dressed down. Oh the looks I
Speaker 1: see I'm seeing from these stills. I'm like, oh, like
Speaker 1: you love to see her so glam because again I
Speaker 1: also I only thought of her as crazy Eyes, and
Speaker 1: also she was in The Whiz and I hadn't really
Speaker 1: seen her in anything else. But but she is. She
Speaker 1: is a glamazon in this and she fox the actor
Speaker 1: Joel Kinneman, who is one of the hottest in the
Speaker 1: on the Globe and we love to see on the
Speaker 1: Globe and we love to see it. Um, but I'll
Speaker 1: put Watchman on my list. Have you been watching Legendary
Speaker 1: this season? I have to be honest with you, I haven't.
Speaker 1: I haven't. I didn't know. I loved the first season,
Speaker 1: but I haven't started it yet because I think it's
Speaker 1: going to be one that I want to binge like. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know about watching the reality week to week,
Speaker 1: like after Drag Race, I just need a little bit
Speaker 1: of a break from reality. All I understand. But they're
Speaker 1: it's so dynamic and it's an incredible season. I mean
Speaker 1: truly some amazing thing things that I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't believe I get to watch that, like so great.
Speaker 1: We just we we stand House of t Shirt, House
Speaker 1: of Balenciaga. Um, okay, I'll get I'll get into two
Speaker 1: very yes, you must be two very different house mothers
Speaker 1: who are presenting very valid styles of house mother of
Speaker 1: house parenting. But one of them is just going to
Speaker 1: like stand there and like serve you a moment and
Speaker 1: face and the other one is like kind of voguing
Speaker 1: along with the other children. But both are presenting very
Speaker 1: compelling cases for why they should win. Um, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: It's and and and and it just looks great and
Speaker 1: it just looks so good. And how the judging the judging?
Speaker 1: I asked this question, how is the judge judging? You know,
Speaker 1: I for what you and I have been hard on
Speaker 1: miss low Roach for a minute, because when when we
Speaker 1: used to recap Top Model for Vulture, we really we
Speaker 1: were really not feeling him. We were we did not
Speaker 1: feel that law Roach brought a good energy to the show. No,
Speaker 1: and you some might argue, I even up until last night,
Speaker 1: thought law Roach is bad energy for the show, even
Speaker 1: for legendary even still. Um, but I was talking to
Speaker 1: Josh Sharp about this, and Josh is like, I actually
Speaker 1: like law Roach because he is giving you a chaotic
Speaker 1: energy on that in that setting where it makes sense
Speaker 1: because that is ballroom. It's opinion, it's as it really is,
Speaker 1: just like, well I didn't like your shoes, so seven.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, well I loved your name, so
Speaker 1: ten ten, that's a ten. For me, it's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, none of the none of the judging of
Speaker 1: the school I just love you so tends across the
Speaker 1: board exactly. But that does work for legendary and not
Speaker 1: top model because it needs to be that needs to
Speaker 1: be in the it needs to play within a rubric totally.
Speaker 1: And and that is part of ballroom culture where you
Speaker 1: have the judging is where everyone gets upset because the
Speaker 1: scores are you know, like that is like the essential
Speaker 1: to ballroom where people are like wronged by the rubric.
Speaker 1: Or there's one just and that's just the way it
Speaker 1: is exactly, or the one particular judges like it's like,
Speaker 1: what the funk are you talking like? And ma roach
Speaker 1: serves that purpose And then I mean, I mean the
Speaker 1: phrase you did what needed to be done is perfect.
Speaker 1: You did what needed to be done. Megan the world,
Speaker 1: Queen of the World, always legs outsplayed on that chair,
Speaker 1: one knee over the arm rest, looking so cool and
Speaker 1: casual and has Jamila sort of I Jamila has a
Speaker 1: critical eye. She still has not departed from that bang
Speaker 1: um and that says it all. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: would love to see her in like a damn wig.
Speaker 1: I want to know she has she puts on some wigs,
Speaker 1: but it's all I want to just see her forehead.
Speaker 1: And I actually we probably we're gonna fucking get No.
Speaker 1: I think we should. I think we could do. We
Speaker 1: could do with some aesthetic versatility from Jamila, Jamila, beautiful woman,
Speaker 1: one of the most beautiful women in the world, one
Speaker 1: of the most beautiful women in the world. Jamila. Let's see,
Speaker 1: let's see some different shapes along the the front portion
Speaker 1: of the hair of what you're We're only assessing this
Speaker 1: because it is essential to ballroom culture that you are
Speaker 1: giving us runaway by coming out in your looks every episode,
Speaker 1: and you're serving his face and body and glamour. But
Speaker 1: I want to see some variety in the hair because
Speaker 1: Leaomi gives you variety, Megan gives your variety. Law Roach
Speaker 1: gives you variety. And as as as Lady Gaga once said,
Speaker 1: hair body face sace for you, not just two out
Speaker 1: of the three. And that's a little culture. One hundred
Speaker 1: and six. As lady said, hair body, body face, not
Speaker 1: just two three. Um, before we sort of proceed on
Speaker 1: too much, UM, I have to ask you what you
Speaker 1: think of the album of the moment. The pop girl
Speaker 1: of the moment has released her album, and I should
Speaker 1: say I don't think I've spoken to you since. Her
Speaker 1: SNL performance, which I hear you watched from the floor,
Speaker 1: was stuning Driver's License on the floor of SNL by
Speaker 1: Olivia Rodrigo was a moment making moment, start making moment.
Speaker 1: UMH my god, yeah, I have I have nothing really
Speaker 1: to say, which I know is so boring, but she
Speaker 1: was just so I don't know. She she just performed
Speaker 1: the funk out of that song and that that is
Speaker 1: that is a song that she she understands the power
Speaker 1: there and she understood that maybe would have been it
Speaker 1: would have been seen for the first time on that
Speaker 1: show for certain people. I don't know. Um, really incredible.
Speaker 1: And then Good for You was of course very fun.
Speaker 1: She she was rocking out like like a rock girl.
Speaker 1: What do you think of them all? Comparing Good for
Speaker 1: You to Misery Business? And if you had to raise
Speaker 1: the hand of one of them in the ring, what
Speaker 1: would you say? You know? I mean, misery Business gets
Speaker 1: points for being the first. It is structurally very similar
Speaker 1: to Misery Business. I think they're both, They're both perfectly valid. Well,
Speaker 1: I prefer a misery business. And I will say that
Speaker 1: because I I good for you is growing on me
Speaker 1: like any song that is on NonStop and has a hook.
Speaker 1: Is It's certainly not like Confetti featuring Sweetie by By
Speaker 1: a Little Mixed for Me yet where I'm listening to
Speaker 1: it five thousand times a day. Um, But it will
Speaker 1: get there, probably because they'll force it to get there.
Speaker 1: But um, misery Business came on. Two weeks ago. I
Speaker 1: went to a TRL themed warehouse party where they played
Speaker 1: early two thousands pop and misery Business came on. And
Speaker 1: when I tell you, first of all, they need to
Speaker 1: do this as a lip sync on drag Race. Um.
Speaker 1: Second of all, it slaps so hard you go on
Speaker 1: a ride and a half. Can I just tell you
Speaker 1: we need to actually rethink the way that queer people
Speaker 1: who love to dance should relate to rock songs in general. Nope,
Speaker 1: you can turn it out. You can turn it out. Okay. So,
Speaker 1: first of all, I went to an eighties themed party
Speaker 1: the other night and they were just playing like the
Speaker 1: Clash and the Smiths and like on top of the
Speaker 1: Madonna and the you know like and the Diana Ross
Speaker 1: and everything else. But like you you you fucking like
Speaker 1: rock out and dance and have fun to it. And
Speaker 1: then Josh was like, oh yeah, it's like at act
Speaker 1: bar they used to have in l A. They used
Speaker 1: to have like rock nights where you would just like
Speaker 1: dancer ass off to rock music. And it's like it's
Speaker 1: a thing that I think the club going sector of
Speaker 1: the queers is like, I don't think it's actively resisted,
Speaker 1: but it's like we should, we should, we should start
Speaker 1: the movement now to all like bring that haven't coexist
Speaker 1: in that space, because it makes total sense. I mean,
Speaker 1: anyone that thinks a queer person can't dance to rock
Speaker 1: to rock, didn't see me slam my Puss to the
Speaker 1: ground to food fighters best of you at this trance party.
Speaker 1: You didn't see me grind with a man to the
Speaker 1: song Sugar We're Going Down swinging by Oh my God by.
Speaker 1: My dream in life is to be on a dance
Speaker 1: floor with you when Sugar We're going down. Oh let
Speaker 1: me tell you something bowing Sugar We're going Down came
Speaker 1: on and it was more than I bargained for. Let's
Speaker 1: just say to use to use were dying to tell
Speaker 1: you everything you want to hear, because that's just that's
Speaker 1: who I am this week. Lie in the grass next
Speaker 1: to the post, But You're just a line song. I
Speaker 1: cannot describe that. I didn't even like love that song
Speaker 1: when it came either, but hearing it now did something
Speaker 1: to me. The same thing happened to I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: say it, but um, I write since not tragedies came
Speaker 1: on and I was at the time I didn't like
Speaker 1: them because I was like, I don't like those I
Speaker 1: don't like that pop rock that like emo was a
Speaker 1: bad word for me in high school. Um and because
Speaker 1: because the preppie kids didn't like the emo vibe and
Speaker 1: I was and I was more. I was hung out
Speaker 1: with more and more of those types. But even though
Speaker 1: in my heart I did love like you can't, I
Speaker 1: just couldn't. At the time Good Charlotte too was It's
Speaker 1: not for me, so I went in on Good Charlotte.
Speaker 1: But nowadays, oh my god. And when those songs came on,
Speaker 1: even like one band I did like when I was
Speaker 1: in high school, Yellow Card Ocean Avenue came on, Bitch Girl.
Speaker 1: Ocean Avenue is a very long island song, very long
Speaker 1: island song. Every all Yellow Card remember they're ballad here r,
Speaker 1: I go scream my loves like my maya. It's only one,
Speaker 1: It's only one. Um, I they're not your culture. Well,
Speaker 1: I think Denver High school culture in that time was
Speaker 1: definitely fall up Boy, definitely panic at the Discount, definitely,
Speaker 1: uh there's some takenback Sunday there dashboard was huge. But
Speaker 1: also there was oh my god, if Jenny if Jenny
Speaker 1: madruga slash oh she got she got married, and I
Speaker 1: forget what her last name is now her brother she
Speaker 1: was like the biggest steal at school and she was
Speaker 1: she was a great great I loved her. It was
Speaker 1: obsessed with her. She was like a cool girl, but
Speaker 1: not like in the popular circle enough to be like
Speaker 1: like she was like cool because she wasn't. She didn't
Speaker 1: care about being popular. But her her brother was in
Speaker 1: this band called thirty six Flip, which basically sounded like
Speaker 1: Blank Winn eighty two, but they were slightly different thirty
Speaker 1: six Flip and it's like another like number Yeah anyway, um,
Speaker 1: oh my god, have you ever heard my friends over you?
Speaker 1: That's now, that's that's that's new to Newfound glory. Um
Speaker 1: like Newfound Glory was huge in Denver. I mean, like
Speaker 1: we I I definitely went to a brand New concert.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know that about Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I loved brand New, So I went to a brand
Speaker 1: New concert because brand New this is insane opened up
Speaker 1: for Dashboard one time, but but brand New was like
Speaker 1: like Dashboard was like, you know, they were poppy, they
Speaker 1: were they were poppy. Brand New was not. No, it
Speaker 1: was I remember like, oh my god, what's the song?
Speaker 1: But then Dashboards sometimes playing back Sunday would get really
Speaker 1: screaming yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Brand New it was,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what's the brand New song? I loved?
Speaker 1: Um god, I'm never I can't. Actually I'm looking at
Speaker 1: all the brand New discography and this is actually too much,
Speaker 1: is it? Why? Is it just like you you immediately
Speaker 1: realize you've forgotten everything on everything, and this is actually like,
Speaker 1: this is flashing. This has taken me back to a
Speaker 1: time in my life that I have done a lot
Speaker 1: of work to try to escape, and I actually it's
Speaker 1: actually really shocking and jarring to be confronted by oh wait,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's I'll tell you what song. It
Speaker 1: is the one song I loved of brand New, And
Speaker 1: it was like the reason why I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm actually excited they're opening for Dashboard Who. I fucking
Speaker 1: loved the quiet things that no one ever knows. Yeah, god,
Speaker 1: so keep the block in your head. That song, Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Yeah, honestly that was probably the most closeted
Speaker 1: time of our lives. Yes, that's what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: that it was. It was a lot of just like
Speaker 1: hetero performance, oh big time. I mean I was for me.
Speaker 1: It was that and the time I saw Jack's mannikin
Speaker 1: who I really did love Jackson NICKI was great and
Speaker 1: I still have a tissue from this concert four even
Speaker 1: that's Jack. I don't think that's them, Mama, Yeah, oh
Speaker 1: that's that's not Jack's mannekin. Yes, it's Jack's man again.
Speaker 1: You don't no, I don't think that's Jack's Mannegan. Okay,
Speaker 1: hold on, no, that's like that's like that other band.
Speaker 1: Oh god, no, jacks manneck is dark blue? Dark blue?
Speaker 1: Have you I'm sorry? I'm sorry, yes, yes, no, no,
Speaker 1: we're not. We can't stand up, boss, you put into this.
Speaker 1: I'm stupid, stupid. Okay, well yeah, I'm not white. You
Speaker 1: were like Augustana. You are the stan up the whitest
Speaker 1: bitch in the land. You have white sensibilities. Um, but no,
Speaker 1: it's just so fun because came on and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like and you can dance to it?
Speaker 1: You can't. It's so danceable speaking but just fall out
Speaker 1: boy dance dance. I mean yeah, literally, I mean but
Speaker 1: wait and also just I'm sorry, but Dirty by Christina
Speaker 1: Aguilero holds up and it could be a hit today
Speaker 1: on the fucking when that song starts and you realize
Speaker 1: what's happening, you got like pull the fire alarm, get
Speaker 1: everyone out of there. I still there is not a
Speaker 1: filthier music. I have to point the video every time.
Speaker 1: It's just so good. She went for she said, she said,
Speaker 1: Christina Aguilera said, whore. No. But you know what else,
Speaker 1: This is what came on at the eighties party Faith
Speaker 1: by George Minkel, and Joshua turns to me and goes,
Speaker 1: this man does not get the fucking credit. He was
Speaker 1: a No, he's a pop star, but he was also
Speaker 1: a fucking dirty, horrish gay man who fucking sucked off
Speaker 1: a cop. I mean whatever, but like did crazy ash shit?
Speaker 1: All cops are blown blone. I am like George Michael
Speaker 1: is actually huge. He's also so hot, so hot. But
Speaker 1: like I think I need to like actually smoke some
Speaker 1: drugs and like listen to some George Michael in a
Speaker 1: deep way because I need to pay respects. You know,
Speaker 1: you know the children, the children have forgotten, The children
Speaker 1: have forgotten, and I mean careless whisper you could, you could,
Speaker 1: you could just put it on and never let it stuff,
Speaker 1: but you know, and and wake me up before you
Speaker 1: go go. Also came on and that was a euphoric
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sure. I mean, so much of his
Speaker 1: stuff slapped. Also, you know who I rediscovered the other
Speaker 1: one eye who I hadn't listened to in a very
Speaker 1: long time. Stevie Wonder Stevie and the ballads, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: oh love. I could gag literally the storytelling and also
Speaker 1: the riffing, the belting. The man is singing like Aretha Franklin.
Speaker 1: He is just Oh my goggles are unmatched. Unparalleled. Bitch
Speaker 1: sciencell delivered Lately, which Kelly just covered. Um, there's so
Speaker 1: much good. Maybe that's even why I felt down that wormholes,
Speaker 1: because I think she did a cover of Lately on
Speaker 1: her show from a frequently we're improving that one and
Speaker 1: she did it and I was like, oh, I completely forgot.
Speaker 1: And then I remember the song Ribbon in the Sky,
Speaker 1: which was my parents wedding song, UM, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I need to listen to a ribbon to this guy
Speaker 1: right now. And I went through a whole Stevie moment.
Speaker 1: But yes, the iconic men of yesterday who trail Blaze,
Speaker 1: pop and R and B, thank you and I think
Speaker 1: And it's so funny because Aaron at one point Aaron
Speaker 1: Jackson was like, I think like another Go Go song
Speaker 1: was playing it that was just so the beats for
Speaker 1: the bpm was like suing, like two hundred on it
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's so fast. Then Aaron goes, oh, now
Speaker 1: I get why cocaine was the drug of choice back
Speaker 1: then because the songs like just so fast and also
Speaker 1: the emotional rock. What do you mean like like just
Speaker 1: like that because everything felt like hard, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, uh, you know somebody like, oh god,
Speaker 1: this is another one. Um. Two of the children have forgotten,
Speaker 1: and I thought of it because she sings it in
Speaker 1: the finale, the daughter Von sings we Belong, and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know this girl, this girl cannot be
Speaker 1: singing this right now. But this song it works, epic.
Speaker 1: I thought it works. We belong to the night. She
Speaker 1: was singing it with almost nothing, you know, not okay,
Speaker 1: very quickly. This is what I wanted to say earlier
Speaker 1: when you were talking about like when communities get small,
Speaker 1: it's it's hard for new ideas to break through. Um.
Speaker 1: I think it speaks to this thing where it's like
Speaker 1: people want to belong people. People want belonging more than
Speaker 1: they want to leave. Yes, new information, factual information, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is this is this is a thing
Speaker 1: that's like come up in like the last you know,
Speaker 1: five years, six years of like this new political worldly
Speaker 1: living and especially after COVID or during COVID, where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you want to you want to be a part of
Speaker 1: something more than you want to be um to to
Speaker 1: challenge your way of thinking, And that is true for everybody,
Speaker 1: and that um is very mentally challenging to or just
Speaker 1: mentally hard for people to sort of understand as a
Speaker 1: meta layer about the way that they process new information. Yes,
Speaker 1: I do, and I also I do not think it
Speaker 1: was a mistake that so much was made out of
Speaker 1: the children's futures. I think that it was like we
Speaker 1: heard about what was going to go on with um
Speaker 1: Dylan's girlfriend after she had gotten arrested, Um that she
Speaker 1: was going to go be in beauty school. We a
Speaker 1: big thread was Chivan to Berkeley, you know. And also
Speaker 1: the fact that a lot of these kids, like you know,
Speaker 1: He's going to Juvie, Like, we set up almost all
Speaker 1: of the children in the show, so what their futures
Speaker 1: were going to be. And I think that actually, if
Speaker 1: it wasn't by design, then I think it was a
Speaker 1: really really dynamic feature of the show was that in
Speaker 1: in being about generational trauma, it's also about generation generational
Speaker 1: experience and opportunity. And I think that the fact that um,
Speaker 1: these parents were so um invested in the future of
Speaker 1: these children, it does mean that they they're not opposed
Speaker 1: to their kids going out and having a different experience,
Speaker 1: maybe because they are upset with the fact that they're
Speaker 1: so grounded in their own situations, you know. I think
Speaker 1: that's another thing too, is it's like around episode three
Speaker 1: or four, when Mayor is gonna looks like she's gonna
Speaker 1: lose her grandson. You know, I genuinely thought to myself
Speaker 1: like what is this woman gonna do? Like what if
Speaker 1: she if she has no one? Like like and you're
Speaker 1: in that situation, like what is what do you live for?
Speaker 1: It was it really felt like the world was very small,
Speaker 1: and then that's a success of the show. God, my
Speaker 1: friend is so smart perceptive, bitch, no you you but
Speaker 1: literally literally literally all I wanted to know was what
Speaker 1: you thought of the Olivia Rodrigo album. And it feels
Speaker 1: like I don't think that much of it about it.
Speaker 1: I do you know what? I can I tell you
Speaker 1: something because up and girl in Red now, so I
Speaker 1: want now that the girl Okay, which did you even
Speaker 1: did you even do it a bunch? I was just
Speaker 1: like I thought, I didn't think that that. I thought
Speaker 1: this wasn't the moment. No, no, sour is the moment.
Speaker 1: There's no denying that. I've only given it a full
Speaker 1: listen through once and then if I've sort of like
Speaker 1: bounced around on songs, I think it's fantastic. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: really good. But I wish she wrote about more than
Speaker 1: just that one breakup because I want to know her.
Speaker 1: But it's so up. But then of course I think
Speaker 1: it is. It is a time honor tradition in pop
Speaker 1: music to write about a breakup about a single breakup.
Speaker 1: She's not the first person to do it, she will
Speaker 1: not be the last. She's very young, and so she
Speaker 1: has a limited scope of experiences and like Fleetwood nec
Speaker 1: rumors one like iconic songs about a single breakup, Right,
Speaker 1: It's fine, it's fine, it's fine. I guess those artists
Speaker 1: that you mentioned, like we already met them before that
Speaker 1: album came, like Adele had nineteen And you're saying that
Speaker 1: you don't know, you don't know about Olivia Rodrigo as
Speaker 1: a person after you've listened to Yeah, I guess I
Speaker 1: know would be a great vocalist. And wody be inspired
Speaker 1: by like nineties female rock singers, um or pop singers,
Speaker 1: and that she's influenced like this is the new generation
Speaker 1: that is as we've talked about, influenced by like Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift and um you know, Hayley Williams will say like, like,
Speaker 1: I think this is an ext I think she is
Speaker 1: inheriting a lot of She's she's she's pulling a lot
Speaker 1: of very cool threads from the past, from the not
Speaker 1: so distant past that feel like, Okay, it's just she's
Speaker 1: trying on close. But it's like, it's like what Gaga
Speaker 1: did on this is a weird comparison. This is like
Speaker 1: what Gaga did on Fame Monster, where she had like
Speaker 1: an Abba song, a Madonna song, a Christina Aguilarra song
Speaker 1: of Brittany. So like, do you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that she was doing a different version of all of
Speaker 1: these other pop mental models for what we like, like
Speaker 1: that where we that we already had. I think, but again,
Speaker 1: we already knew Gaga before this, before Fame Monster. But
Speaker 1: I think with Olivia it's okay for her to just
Speaker 1: try on all these different hats. All I know about
Speaker 1: Olivia is that she's an incredible vocalist. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: she's a special, incredible singer and real writer. Like I
Speaker 1: think she's wait just before we continue, I'm interested in
Speaker 1: your thing with the Fame Monster about how each one
Speaker 1: of those is a different which one or which? I
Speaker 1: really I never thought so is Brittany Alejandro is like
Speaker 1: um an Abba slash interesting? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Alejandro
Speaker 1: was like an Abba song. Speechless is like an Elton thing. Obviously,
Speaker 1: a telephone is um teeth is Christina teeth is so
Speaker 1: Christina to me so happy I could die and dance
Speaker 1: the dark or definitely dancing the Dark is Donna, and
Speaker 1: then bad romances like Gaga, you know, like that is
Speaker 1: like the like set that is like the center hub
Speaker 1: of the whole album, and then everything else is kind
Speaker 1: of spoken to other pop territory. That is very interesting.
Speaker 1: Like she was referencing a lot on that album as
Speaker 1: probably I think she was. I think and I maybe
Speaker 1: I've been poisoned by um, I've been pilled as the
Speaker 1: kids say, by the Pitchwork review that came out at
Speaker 1: the time in two thousand ten or or whatever where
Speaker 1: they were like she is like she's she's trying out
Speaker 1: different things. But I think that's true. And I think
Speaker 1: that's like, I mean, she was like twenty two when
Speaker 1: that album came out. It's like like it makes sense
Speaker 1: for her to not have a full definition of self
Speaker 1: as an artist. To be clear, I do not think
Speaker 1: that she should come in this fully realized. I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of expectations on her and I'm not
Speaker 1: expecting this to be Jack a little pill, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm not supposed to be I'm not
Speaker 1: expecting this to be this like this is the one
Speaker 1: of the works of my life and it happens to
Speaker 1: my first one because and and even though you move
Speaker 1: me before, I guess what, I'm just as good as
Speaker 1: you all thought. Like I know there's a lot of
Speaker 1: expectations on her. I guess all I'm saying is as
Speaker 1: an album. When I got to the song enough for You,
Speaker 1: even though I love it as a song, enough of this,
Speaker 1: when she started singing and it was like we broke
Speaker 1: up the other day, whatever the words are, I literally
Speaker 1: rolled my ask because I was like, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: just some album reordering, just some versatility in the lyrical
Speaker 1: content would have been good. And I would say that
Speaker 1: about anything that I listened to closely and kept hearing
Speaker 1: about the same thing, only because I do think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting things there, and she gets at
Speaker 1: some really interesting stuff in brutal and also jealousy jealous.
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, and I know she's a really
Speaker 1: good writer, And because she's so good at writing about
Speaker 1: this breakup, I know she'll be so good at articulating
Speaker 1: more about herself. Like I guess, for literally, if I
Speaker 1: could boil this down is I think it's a very
Speaker 1: Taylor album, and I wanted a little bit more Taylor.
Speaker 1: And what I mean is I think to boil it
Speaker 1: down is I just wanted a little bit more fun
Speaker 1: and just And I think that probably what's going to
Speaker 1: happen on the next album is we're gonna get her
Speaker 1: giving you pop dance songs. I think they'll round her
Speaker 1: out that way. Don't forget that Ari started out and
Speaker 1: she was just giving you like little doo wop, E,
Speaker 1: R and B like she was she was that girl,
Speaker 1: which is like not not Maybe this is a lazy comparison.
Speaker 1: It's like Olivia's gonna start out in one localized genre
Speaker 1: place the queers are on board neck and one or
Speaker 1: two album cycles. It will be full if if it
Speaker 1: if it'll makes sense for her, if that's what the
Speaker 1: sort of if that's what the whole in the market
Speaker 1: is or whatever, like if there if there's a if
Speaker 1: there's a need for that, like, she will fulfill the assignment.
Speaker 1: She will do what needed to be done and we'll
Speaker 1: all like fucking dance her asses off to like an
Speaker 1: Olivia Rodrigo bang or that has yet to exist. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also think so smart of her to target like
Speaker 1: gen X and and the millennial generation with the type
Speaker 1: of music she's doing, and also because everyone really is
Speaker 1: obsessed with her, like our age a crop but you
Speaker 1: and you're saying gen X to like like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: no for sure, like like with this strowback stuff she's doing,
Speaker 1: she's like giving us, she's bringing people in. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: because gen Z was already obsessed with her, so now
Speaker 1: it's like, oh she's doing like a paramore thing. Oh interesting,
Speaker 1: she's doing like a weird like to store guitar like interesting,
Speaker 1: like the stuff that we recognize on her like into
Speaker 1: And I also think that the narrative that she's from
Speaker 1: high school musical and like has this thing is is
Speaker 1: a fun one and one that people that are maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit older can identify with because we all
Speaker 1: know what the tabloid situation of our day was, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And it's funny. It's stupid and funny.
Speaker 1: I also watched a few episodes of High School Musical
Speaker 1: of the musical of the series, and it was not awful. Well,
Speaker 1: I've listened to because I'll go to the Olivia Rodriego
Speaker 1: Artists page and I'll like press play you can find
Speaker 1: for you there you can find you there, you can
Speaker 1: find me there. Um and then I um. Before the
Speaker 1: before Sour came out, you would you would play like
Speaker 1: dejav or whatever, and they would shuffle. The next song
Speaker 1: would be from high School Musical musical series, and I'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, this this is a good song, or
Speaker 1: this is like this is like a great deconstructed version
Speaker 1: of Breaking Free or whatever, you know, because it's like
Speaker 1: it's like a weirdly know it's high school musical, the
Speaker 1: musical the series, So it's about a high school that's
Speaker 1: putting on high school musical but yet they're going through
Speaker 1: their own thing. So there is like a knowing nous
Speaker 1: to it and like it knows how kind of frivolous
Speaker 1: the premises. Yeah, like it's du but that's okay. I
Speaker 1: never was. I never felt like I was laughing at
Speaker 1: it at all, and that's kind of the way that like.
Speaker 1: But it also has that high school musical earnest energy too.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just it's funny. By the time
Speaker 1: this episode comes out, there will be a new billy
Speaker 1: track that I think will be fun. I'm hoping it's
Speaker 1: fun fun billy because your power is a little bit
Speaker 1: of a It never took off for me, and I
Speaker 1: think the only reason it took off for anyone at
Speaker 1: all is because we were excited about what she put out.
Speaker 1: A lot of people claimed it, I'm excited for Billy
Speaker 1: no matter what she does. I just think it didn't
Speaker 1: match the aesthetic shift for me. No, And we had
Speaker 1: talked about this like we were, we were really on
Speaker 1: we were on the edge of our seats about what
Speaker 1: the sound was going to be to match this new aesthetic,
Speaker 1: and then when it was this, it kind of I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm still a little confused. It seems like this
Speaker 1: next song, I forget what it's called, but by by
Speaker 1: the time the steps that drops, we'll all know it. Um,
Speaker 1: it seems fun. It seems fun. That's all. That's all
Speaker 1: we know. And you know, allegedly Beyonce is coming to
Speaker 1: what Beyonce is coming? Period? Oh my god, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? Well, they were all checking in with
Speaker 1: each other on like FaceTime, and it was Kelly, Michelle,
Speaker 1: and Beyonce, who all together make up the group Destiny's Child,
Speaker 1: and Michelle posted audio from the FaceTime and Beyonce said
Speaker 1: she was cooking up some music. So we know that
Speaker 1: she's working and I will say this. Me and house
Speaker 1: listened to the Beyonce Self Title in the way back
Speaker 1: from Palm Springs. I just I can't describe how good
Speaker 1: it felt. I I recently thought about the moment that
Speaker 1: it dropped. I remember asking the house I was staying in, like,
Speaker 1: where do you remember where you were when Self Titled dropped?
Speaker 1: And some people are like yeah, or some people are
Speaker 1: like no, And I'm like, okay, if you say no,
Speaker 1: I don't know you girl. I don't know your girl,
Speaker 1: but you were a girl. I remember coming home from
Speaker 1: my office holiday party from my day job back in
Speaker 1: it dropped at midnight. I saw on Instagram that she
Speaker 1: had posted like it was like a super kind of
Speaker 1: all the videos from the album, was like what the
Speaker 1: fund is going? You were the first person I talk.
Speaker 1: I literally remember I remember so because I remember you
Speaker 1: said you said. I was like, can you believe this?
Speaker 1: And you said no. I remember what you said specifically,
Speaker 1: what which was this is a sick dream. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: genuinely thought I thought maybe it would go be be
Speaker 1: pulled down like I thought maybe I said this is
Speaker 1: a sick dream, because I think at that point it
Speaker 1: was like she had just done four and was still
Speaker 1: like popping off. And it also just on not just
Speaker 1: on the STUPI. She had just on the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: She had just on the super Bowl like that that
Speaker 1: was like her last big thing. So she was yes,
Speaker 1: the year before or like, and then this came out
Speaker 1: of the separate so it had been months, but like
Speaker 1: she had established herself at such a level that for
Speaker 1: her to do this and everyone listening to this I'm
Speaker 1: sure remembers, but what I realized listening to it yesterday
Speaker 1: in the car was Wow, not only does this hold up,
Speaker 1: but it literally set the standard for everything that's come since.
Speaker 1: And there are true for me, there's one skip, but
Speaker 1: they're like, I don't like Superpower, Um you are anti
Speaker 1: Frank Ocean nine three to of the album There, it's
Speaker 1: just the best thing I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 1: And the fact how it keeps heightening in terms of
Speaker 1: how explicit it is and how much it's willing to
Speaker 1: reveal and how far it's willing to go, and then
Speaker 1: it still is just so musically beautiful the whole time.
Speaker 1: And you're just like, because she's so smartly released the
Speaker 1: imagery and the visuals obviously because of the visual album
Speaker 1: and the music videos at the same time. You have
Speaker 1: such a place for all the music. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's it's stored so well in your in your brain that,
Speaker 1: like you at, everything comes rushing back. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: is a fucking one of her best songs, Blow Partition
Speaker 1: and into Partition. Uh, can I say rocket rockets? Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: It also one of the most one of the most
Speaker 1: sexual songs ever released. And it never ends. And I
Speaker 1: love and I'm just like I just it's so epic.
Speaker 1: And then also XO, I love so much I was crying. Uh.
Speaker 1: The song Blue Blue, which by the way, is very
Speaker 1: groom and if you notice, sometimes when I do what
Speaker 1: I Will do, which is a tribute to Beyonce, Blue
Speaker 1: is a skip for you. I just the slow stuff
Speaker 1: for me for me self titled good Way for You.
Speaker 1: That's it's fine. Pretty hurts. Unfortunately, I I feel my
Speaker 1: entire fantasy to pretty hurts every single time it comes.
Speaker 1: Pretty hurts. You get acting moments. I mean, the visual
Speaker 1: is important, but the the song pretty hurts. I disagree
Speaker 1: with you. It can't leave for me. Okay, So okay,
Speaker 1: how about this on the album because here's the thing
Speaker 1: and I had this discussion. Ship doesn't actually pop off
Speaker 1: in the visual album if you're watching it in order
Speaker 1: until until what you did. Okay, I'm happy that you
Speaker 1: that you stayed so early because Haunted. No, yes, of
Speaker 1: course I would have seen it, but I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: Pretty Hurts is, I don't need it. It's extreme. It's
Speaker 1: like the visual starts to blow your mind, and Haunted
Speaker 1: this is why you need Pretty Hurts. This is why
Speaker 1: you need Pretty Hurts. Because when Pretty Hurt, when you
Speaker 1: pit play and it was Pretty Hurts and Pretty Hurts happens,
Speaker 1: you think, oh, wow, this is Beyonce's new album. And
Speaker 1: then she stops everything and does Ghost and that's when
Speaker 1: she says, I don't trust the record labels. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make no money on this, but who cares? Perfection is whatever?
Speaker 1: So she, in process of her Beyonce album says, hold up,
Speaker 1: why can't you just start that? Why can't you just
Speaker 1: because because it's more powerful to who she was and
Speaker 1: who she's been, it's more powerful, and also I still
Speaker 1: think pretty er it's for something she wanted to say.
Speaker 1: Oh I don't doubt that. I'm glad she got to
Speaker 1: say it. And and pretty hurts, and the sentiment of
Speaker 1: pretty hurts is one of the reasons why she's doing
Speaker 1: what she's doing. It's the soul that needs a surgery,
Speaker 1: and which and then she took out the damn scalpel
Speaker 1: on Ghosts and cut into the carcass unhaunted, so that
Speaker 1: by the time Drunken Love came came around, we were
Speaker 1: ready to do a soul transplant by the end. By
Speaker 1: by the time we get to Heaven, she says, I'm
Speaker 1: suturing the wound, and Blue healed the girls. Oh Blue,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Blue is the last track you can confirm.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, we better not forget seven eleven. We
Speaker 1: better not forget the flawless remix. I'm meeting on the Sun. Literally,
Speaker 1: I love standing on the sung. I was fucking getting
Speaker 1: my left to standing. I'm the kid you, Oh my god, bitch.
Speaker 1: And also we are not mentioning um one of my favorite,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite tracks. No one agrees with me
Speaker 1: about this, No Angel, Oh I love, no Angel. Just
Speaker 1: just leave me alone when it comes on, just let
Speaker 1: me get in my vibe. And first the mother, let's
Speaker 1: go back on your head. Then whatever you want. Yeah, baby,
Speaker 1: it comes true. Oh my god, she's actually begging for
Speaker 1: Dick the whole time. I love it. No, I love
Speaker 1: no Angel anyway, UM well, I'm happy that we have
Speaker 1: this moment of celebration for her, and now now sour
Speaker 1: By Olivia Rodrigo just seems like child's play. It's not
Speaker 1: fair for us to compare anything a new artist does
Speaker 1: with Beyonce self titled is that that is a crazy
Speaker 1: crazy scale um or curve or whatever. I mean. She's
Speaker 1: gonna listen to this episode. She's gonna say, God, it's
Speaker 1: brutal out here. It's brutal aut here, which I do love.
Speaker 1: I think it's time for I don't think so honey,
Speaker 1: and I gotta say um lots to I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey about in the world right now. But and
Speaker 1: that's good, um, good for us. I have something top
Speaker 1: of mind that I gotta get off my chest. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so honeyest time
Speaker 1: starts it now. I don't think so honey. Dealing with
Speaker 1: and being a person that needs to be dealt with
Speaker 1: on their Molly come down. If you know that you're
Speaker 1: going to be on the Molly come down, just put
Speaker 1: away your phone, turn it off. Just just stay home
Speaker 1: the next day, don't be around anyone because I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what, I don't want to hear it. And I
Speaker 1: know when I'm on my Molly come down, I just
Speaker 1: shouldn't talk to anyone because my thoughts aren't clear. I
Speaker 1: should not be speaking. I should not be spoken to. Literally,
Speaker 1: if you, if you deal with people on their Molly
Speaker 1: come down, you're dealing with a dark energy. And you
Speaker 1: have to know this when you take your molly. If
Speaker 1: you're going to partake in that, that for the next
Speaker 1: forty eight hours, because it is forty eight hours, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be unbearable. So take yourself out of the equation
Speaker 1: because it harms relationships. You actually can harm relationships by
Speaker 1: speaking to other people on your Molly come down because
Speaker 1: you're not yourself. I don't think so, honey, Me, you
Speaker 1: and everyone we know on their Molly come down. That's
Speaker 1: whenever when we know when their Molly come down, that's
Speaker 1: one minute. And then because then you're being nasty and
Speaker 1: rude and like, I'm like, I know what this is,
Speaker 1: so like you should have just not said anything to
Speaker 1: me at all. M do you feel that this is
Speaker 1: something that you are contextualizing, your your your interactions with
Speaker 1: other people recently who have also been on Molly come downs. Literally,
Speaker 1: this morning I woke up, I wasn't Yes, I did
Speaker 1: take the drug Molly on my vacation in Palm Spring,
Speaker 1: so let's just say I did it. Um So then
Speaker 1: this morning I woke up and I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: in a terrible, terrible, terrible mood. But I know what
Speaker 1: it is, and I know I'm tired, and I know
Speaker 1: I'm like exhausted, and I'm looking at Instagram and I'm
Speaker 1: feeling already exhausted by pride. And it's just because I
Speaker 1: went a little hard this weekend. And I know that
Speaker 1: I'm operating at a serotonin deficit. I know enough to say,
Speaker 1: you know what, any negative feelings I have today, any
Speaker 1: like way altercation I can get in, I'm gonna avoid.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to make any big decisions to
Speaker 1: day either because I am operating in a serotonin deficit.
Speaker 1: I don't have my joy, I don't have my faculties,
Speaker 1: and I am not getting into it today socially, Honey,
Speaker 1: I feel you. I commend you for having that awareness.
Speaker 1: I just want to I want. I want to tell
Speaker 1: everyone that I'm bad and I don't mean to center
Speaker 1: myself in this, but that has been what I've been
Speaker 1: feeling for the past like four months of just like
Speaker 1: a serotonin deficit. And they, you know, you get what
Speaker 1: you call like a Wednesday brain at SNL where it's
Speaker 1: like you've stayed up for like nineteen hours writing and
Speaker 1: then it's the next day, and then after the read
Speaker 1: through happens, your sketches don't get picked and you're pissed,
Speaker 1: and so they tell you like never, don't get into
Speaker 1: arguments on Wednesdays. Don't make big decisions on Wednesdays, don't you.
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, that is just like that's a
Speaker 1: Molly come down, Like sah, yeah, I can imagine it sounds.
Speaker 1: And now I sort of understand, um where you've been at.
Speaker 1: To be honest, No, shut up, bet you make me
Speaker 1: sense stupid. No, I know I've literally but all I'm
Speaker 1: saying is place I know, I trust me, I know
Speaker 1: I know, and I wanted to be extremely You've been
Speaker 1: very supportive of that the whole time, and I thank
Speaker 1: you when I commend my friend. Well, I love my sister,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying like it's it's good that everyone
Speaker 1: knows enough to say, Hey, everyone's feeling like ship this day,
Speaker 1: so avoid each other because I literally I had some
Speaker 1: interactions today and I was just like, I think that
Speaker 1: none of us should just talk. I don't think anyone
Speaker 1: should be talking. And I think that I could help
Speaker 1: all friend groups by saying, if you party the next day,
Speaker 1: if you don't have to see everyone, separate, girl, separate,
Speaker 1: do your thing, order, order order food, stay home, watch
Speaker 1: mayor Wow that sound or Legendary or Watchman, any of
Speaker 1: the above, any of the above. So that's my I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, Bowen young, do you have one
Speaker 1: this week? Gosh, this is Bowen Yanks. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: and his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Cocaine,
Speaker 1: You're not that girl. You were never that girl. You
Speaker 1: are not the drug for me. I did a few
Speaker 1: bumps of you this weekend for the first time, and
Speaker 1: I don't see the appeal. Honey, it's bad you. If
Speaker 1: you gotta ask, is it k or is it coke?
Speaker 1: It better look like the fit. You better know what
Speaker 1: you're getting on the first glance. Okay, And if you
Speaker 1: don't know if it's feedinal. If you got to buy
Speaker 1: a strip off his Amazon to make sure you're doing
Speaker 1: something that won't kill you, then you gotta go the
Speaker 1: other way. I got my life by just taking an edible,
Speaker 1: drinking a couple of Gin and tonics, and I was
Speaker 1: on the dance fler looking at the lights just like
Speaker 1: every other coked a piece of ship on the floor.
Speaker 1: I think you don't need it. There is We've progressed
Speaker 1: past the need for cocaine. Let's just have a cycle.
Speaker 1: H God blessed the cartels for everything they've done for us.
Speaker 1: But we don't need you anymore. And that's one minute,
Speaker 1: you know. I um, I think that what people might
Speaker 1: say to you is that you're not doing good cocaine
Speaker 1: and I have. I will say this, I too have,
Speaker 1: I too have partaken in this activity and the difference,
Speaker 1: there's a difference between good and bad. I will say that.
Speaker 1: I also don't. I don't. I also do not think
Speaker 1: cocaine is that girl. Have I tried it once or twice? Yes,
Speaker 1: yes I have. I have tried it. I also don't
Speaker 1: think it's that girl. And agree with my sister that
Speaker 1: we don't need it. That being said, I also know
Speaker 1: that sometimes people are getting are able to get their
Speaker 1: good stuff together. And I'm not here to yuck anyone's yum.
Speaker 1: But for me, it's not my d O C drug
Speaker 1: of choice, not mine either. Again, it just I think,
Speaker 1: I think the drug that will sort of lead us
Speaker 1: into this decade the remainder of this decade will be psychedelics.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be some there's gonna be some some big
Speaker 1: changes in the world of psychedelics coming up. Really, what
Speaker 1: makes you say a lot of a lot of clinical considerations.
Speaker 1: I mean like they're like psychedelics are actually being clinically
Speaker 1: considered for the first time in a long time. I
Speaker 1: know this has been like slow simmering news for a while.
Speaker 1: And like people that you've like, like you've heard your
Speaker 1: kookie uncles say like, oh, it's psychedelics of whatever. But um,
Speaker 1: they're they're like, there's gonna be some classification clinically for
Speaker 1: them in the next in the summer or in the
Speaker 1: fall or something that's gonna really open the door to
Speaker 1: a lot of like treatment options for psychedelic And I
Speaker 1: do endorse this, Rupa, Yes, I think I think. I
Speaker 1: think mushrooms I think your psylocybins and your and your
Speaker 1: lsd s, those are wonderful things to do every now
Speaker 1: and that I haven't done any psychedelic and like a
Speaker 1: year and a half and I kind of miss it.
Speaker 1: See I haven't done on any psychedelic in forty eight hours.
Speaker 1: Well good for you, girl. I just I have lesson.
Speaker 1: I have lessons every time, and that's what I left
Speaker 1: my favorite part. Yeah, sometimes those lessons can be scary
Speaker 1: when you're in the part when you're in the Ace Hotel,
Speaker 1: Palm Springs pool and a man with a straw hat
Speaker 1: comes over to you and asks VI and um and
Speaker 1: so you were so you were tripping when he when
Speaker 1: he did this. Yeah, In truth, the answer I is,
Speaker 1: I was vibing, and but I just didn't know how
Speaker 1: to really get into it with him. But so I
Speaker 1: think I said sure, sure, am, and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I said a few things to me that I kind
Speaker 1: of internalized and then sort of floated away. But I
Speaker 1: did play with a big ball in the pool with
Speaker 1: a bunch of strangers, which felt really fun. The community
Speaker 1: was strong in the pool. I just you know, we
Speaker 1: love the pool community at the AST Hotel and and
Speaker 1: and I miss you all. If you were in the
Speaker 1: Ace Hotel pool this weekend, I miss you, I love you.
Speaker 1: I shared time with you. And if you are that
Speaker 1: guy that was in a straw hat sort of swimming
Speaker 1: around asking people if they were vibing and if you
Speaker 1: know you have big Adam living in energy, UM, I
Speaker 1: specifically want to shout you, shout out to you and
Speaker 1: say that, UM, I wasn't not into it. If that's
Speaker 1: what you were getting at. Oh well, misconnection, misconnection. I
Speaker 1: think what a wonderful, serotonin depleted way for us to
Speaker 1: ring in Pride month this year, the first, the first
Speaker 1: post vaccine Pride month, and we are here and already tired,
Speaker 1: and as we record this on June one, um but wow,
Speaker 1: it's not going to stop us from chuckling along. I
Speaker 1: am coming to New York on June. We're going to
Speaker 1: my sister. It's a new soundtrack, in fact, because we
Speaker 1: end every episode with a song Welcome to U. It's
Speaker 1: been right by Welcome to the Yak and to hear
Speaker 1: the rest of that sound listen to me ty by
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, just kidding, Buck, Scooter Braun, don't listen Scoter
Speaker 1: for Taylor's for Taylor's version, and if you drag us
Speaker 1: from mentioning Taylor again, you welcome. You're welcome. Bye, Bye,