Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever. A production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: Welcome Together Everything, So don't late stage lease air horns, Dan,
Speaker 1: I'll give us. Wow. That was a lot of buy in.
Speaker 1: I felt I felt good about that. It was nice
Speaker 1: to be part of a team. Yeah, doesn't it mm hm?
Speaker 1: Who who are we? What are we doing here? Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome,
Speaker 1: Welcome to to too High. This is worst year ever.
Speaker 1: I'm Cody Johnston, a person speaking. There are other people
Speaker 1: that will speak today as well. Yes, indeed, that's true.
Speaker 1: My name is Katie Still. I'm one of those people
Speaker 1: speaking today as well. And you are Robert Evans. That
Speaker 1: is technically correct. Today we are talking about some of
Speaker 1: the silliest things of this year, which is a silly year.
Speaker 1: Like all the years from now on until the end
Speaker 1: of this is the silliest year ever. Yes, whack whacka.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm great. You're great. I'm great, I'm doing great.
Speaker 1: Everything seems fine. I'm optimistic. Good. Hey, that's great. Have
Speaker 1: you been feeling that way for a while or is
Speaker 1: that just like you slept well last night? You jumped
Speaker 1: out of the bed with a little pep in your step.
Speaker 1: The birds are chirping kind of vibes. I think it
Speaker 1: all started to turn around for me last night when
Speaker 1: I watched the original Gene Wilder and Zero Mostel version
Speaker 1: of The Producers. Oh it's so good, Oh man, Gene
Speaker 1: Wilder that we got. We got a lot of Gene Wilder,
Speaker 1: considering how few Gene Wilders there are in the universe.
Speaker 1: A good role for a while. Since then, I love that.
Speaker 1: It's a really sweet and treasured thing that you just
Speaker 1: shared with this Gene Wilder has made your life such
Speaker 1: a good place. I think of our lives. Yeah, he has.
Speaker 1: He certainly has. Um Cody to answer your question, I
Speaker 1: don't feel good, boo, and I'm here. Sophie kept saying,
Speaker 1: you can not record, and I said, no, I'm going
Speaker 1: to record. I'm just going to complain about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the American dream. Still having to work and yeah
Speaker 1: first and Katie was like, this is Katie's Battle of
Speaker 1: the Chosen Reservoir. Here I am. Look, it's kind of like, uh,
Speaker 1: it's internalized capitalism, is what it is. It's this pressure
Speaker 1: of feeling like I'm not dying. I'm working from home,
Speaker 1: I'm in my computer. I've got a space heater at
Speaker 1: my feet. I've got a variety of beverages. I'm basically
Speaker 1: just sitting here doing what I would do if I
Speaker 1: wasn't working, you know, so I was going to say,
Speaker 1: go to you, you you go, how are you? I'm fine.
Speaker 1: I got a bit of a headache, but who doesn't
Speaker 1: these days, you know, Robert not me. Baby. I took
Speaker 1: fifty ccs a Gene Wilder that also Zero Mostell also great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also maybe I'll watch I mean films. If you want
Speaker 1: to see a good Zero Mostell moment, you can find
Speaker 1: on YouTube him and I believe it was the Tony's
Speaker 1: doing because he was I think the original Tabia in
Speaker 1: Fiddler doing uh if I were a rich man, And
Speaker 1: it's fucking incredible, absolutely the best version of that song.
Speaker 1: Um sorry, I put that in the episode right here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just put the entirety of Zero most Stell singing if
Speaker 1: I were, and then just pop in the audio from
Speaker 1: a funny thing happened on the way to the forums,
Speaker 1: the entire Oh my god, you're right, yes, ah god,
Speaker 1: a great movie. I mean, we've got let's just take
Speaker 1: other people's work and put it in this podcast. And
Speaker 1: we're trying to. We're trying to survive the worst year ever,
Speaker 1: So I want way to do that is just I mean,
Speaker 1: listen to a podcast that is actually an entire movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do a podcast that's the entirety of the funny
Speaker 1: thing happened on the way to the forum. They can't
Speaker 1: be watching that. That copyright. We can get away with
Speaker 1: it a podcast version of it. Yeah, so this just
Speaker 1: turns into kazah. Yeah, here's all of Lincoln Park. The
Speaker 1: Jumble of Letters is the title of every episode. You
Speaker 1: get a virus on your phone when you download it.
Speaker 1: I think music. Yeah, yes, where we go? Now did
Speaker 1: you see what I did there? Unfortunately? Yeah? Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: Well you have to talk about the news of this week,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry that everybody collectively remembered at the same
Speaker 1: time the terrible news that we're going to start off.
Speaker 1: Oh man, the Astro world ship. Robert just caught up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pulling up my my research here. Um, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: fucked up. So this weekend, there's this guy called Travis Scott.
Speaker 1: If you don't, if you're not, as you know, up
Speaker 1: on the kids and youth culture as I am. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm very connected. Um, means I even know that they're
Speaker 1: moving from Poggers to just pog That's that's that's real
Speaker 1: bleeding edge of people. That's that's it's gonna be tough
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. This is this is going
Speaker 1: to be the great change of our time. UM. But
Speaker 1: Travis Scott, very popular hip hop musician, UM a Houston native. UM.
Speaker 1: He dropped a couple of years ago, like his big album,
Speaker 1: his breakthrough was called Astro World, and it was named
Speaker 1: after the Houston six Flags that was no longer there,
Speaker 1: but like he grew up in Houston. It was named
Speaker 1: at like he he named his album, and he named
Speaker 1: like this this festival that he started for for that
Speaker 1: album that he's done every year since he's done I
Speaker 1: think three or four times, UM called it Astro World,
Speaker 1: and so, like part of the idea, and this matters
Speaker 1: for some of what's coming next. Part of like the
Speaker 1: idea of the aesthetics of the festival is that aspects
Speaker 1: of it kind of mimic that old six Flags that
Speaker 1: he remembered going to when he was a kid. UM,
Speaker 1: and that was a big part of just like local
Speaker 1: Houston culture. UM. So he's he's also like a like
Speaker 1: a piece of ship, Like Travis Scott is a bad
Speaker 1: person um and has There's been a lot of evidence
Speaker 1: about that for years, among other things, like his old manager, Um,
Speaker 1: the guy who like like this is all on record,
Speaker 1: the guy who like faked a bunch of doubt, like
Speaker 1: put together like a fake, bought network to give his
Speaker 1: music on Spotify a ton of downloads at the start
Speaker 1: of his career to like raise his profile. Like his
Speaker 1: manager who's hugely responsible, had like a seizure one day
Speaker 1: while they were all together and like passed out and
Speaker 1: was dying, and Travis Scott just bounced, just was like
Speaker 1: I'm like just left. Um. There's other ship. Like there's
Speaker 1: video of him somebody he's crowd surfing and someone tries
Speaker 1: to take his shoe and he he get He like
Speaker 1: orders the crowd to funk them up, um, and the
Speaker 1: crowd does. He likes a lot of moh ing. He
Speaker 1: likes the crowd to be like really um aggressive and
Speaker 1: out of control. But it's not like so does rage
Speaker 1: except for you know, rage against the machine. Like they
Speaker 1: take a lot of care, like they're paying attention to
Speaker 1: what's going on in the pit. Um. They have stopped
Speaker 1: shows or they've like called out when somebody's in trouble.
Speaker 1: Um fucking post Malone does that. Like, like there's just
Speaker 1: most act most musicians who do who for whom shows
Speaker 1: like that are a part of, like the culture around
Speaker 1: their music take a lot of care, like I mean,
Speaker 1: and the ones that don't, they're generally are responsible for tragedies.
Speaker 1: And that's what happens to Like, he's not just musicians,
Speaker 1: Like people that participate in mosh pits understand the deal.
Speaker 1: And I think some of this is just Travis Scott
Speaker 1: is not doing the kind of hip hop is not
Speaker 1: as much like does not have like a mashing tradition
Speaker 1: like punk, does you know. I think that this is
Speaker 1: what happened was a surprise for a lot of the
Speaker 1: people that especially this is a very young execuing audience,
Speaker 1: a lot of younger kids. I mean, I know that
Speaker 1: mosh pit culture, maybe people understand that and protecting and
Speaker 1: looking out for each other, but this, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it was something else. I think it was a mix
Speaker 1: of people who before they got into Travis Scott, maybe
Speaker 1: they hadn't done a lot of mashing, they hadn't been
Speaker 1: the concerts like that. But also the fact that his
Speaker 1: his level of the bands that people mash too, with
Speaker 1: some exceptions like more of that is done like kind
Speaker 1: of at a lower level of fame, so you don't
Speaker 1: have fifty people UM. And ultimately most of the problems
Speaker 1: came down to like the sheer density of people in
Speaker 1: the room. And it's one of those things where I think,
Speaker 1: there there's you act really like regardless of how used
Speaker 1: to are not used to the people were there's a
Speaker 1: point with a crowd situation at which human choice from
Speaker 1: the people who are in the in the crowd surge
Speaker 1: UM is meaningless because a certain level of density and
Speaker 1: I think it's about like seven people per square meter UM,
Speaker 1: it stops mattering the decisions people make as much as
Speaker 1: the rules of fluid dynamics. So there are like waves
Speaker 1: and crowds like that and contractions and at high enough
Speaker 1: like eleven or twelve people I think per square meter
Speaker 1: when you have enough density UM. Among other things, like
Speaker 1: one of the things that can happen in a dense
Speaker 1: enough crowd, it's not people getting trampled that kills them,
Speaker 1: it's it's asphyxiation UM. So they can get so dense
Speaker 1: that you breathe out and you can't breathe back in
Speaker 1: Um how I mean? I I I also I guess
Speaker 1: it's just that everybody is surged into one area. But
Speaker 1: it's like the the attendance of the space because there
Speaker 1: were warnings there. There is a whole document and uh,
Speaker 1: people were aware that this could potentially be literally fatal.
Speaker 1: There's there's prep documents. Yeah, and one I would recommend
Speaker 1: that I read today is The Causes and Prevention of
Speaker 1: Crowd Disasters by John J. Frewen Um, who is a
Speaker 1: PhD and like crowd safety dynamics, and uh, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is well known and you shouldn't have an event of
Speaker 1: that size if you're not coming in prepared. And there's
Speaker 1: there's stuff that people are like criticizing the venue in
Speaker 1: the event for that isn't reasonable, Like an article drop
Speaker 1: today where they're like their code word for dead people
Speaker 1: over the radio was smurfs, which is actually completely reasonable. Well,
Speaker 1: because you don't want to be freaking people out exactly.
Speaker 1: The whole point of the code word is to create,
Speaker 1: is to use something like it's not mockery, it's it's
Speaker 1: not like it. But I but I did. I shared
Speaker 1: that article with you guys because just the the context
Speaker 1: of preparing and planning for this. To me, I, I
Speaker 1: just don't understand how knowing that this is a possibility,
Speaker 1: than it does happen and you see it happening and
Speaker 1: nobody's stopping the show. You know, we don't And again
Speaker 1: we're reporting on the we're talking about this reporting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's some, but there's not. Like one of the things
Speaker 1: that people are talking about that I think is is
Speaker 1: credible and that we may find there's something to it,
Speaker 1: is that the venue, certain things like where the water
Speaker 1: stations were and where the egress points were had been
Speaker 1: changed around and reduced in a way that that negatively
Speaker 1: affected the crush of the crowd in order to clear
Speaker 1: angles for live stream cameras. UM and I we don't
Speaker 1: know that that's the case, but it's it's something that's
Speaker 1: like people should be like I I there's going to
Speaker 1: be like a full investigation into this, so I think
Speaker 1: will eventually understand exactly what happened. But a lot of
Speaker 1: it is just that like when you have a crowd
Speaker 1: this Dan, you should you shouldn't have a crowd this
Speaker 1: dance You just shouldn't. UM, you need you don't, Like
Speaker 1: we know the density of people in the amount of
Speaker 1: space that's necessary to safely hold people in an event
Speaker 1: like this, And part of it is like a stadium
Speaker 1: seating is or festival seating is a big problem, which
Speaker 1: is just where people are able to You don't have
Speaker 1: an assigned area. You just kind of try to get
Speaker 1: as close as you can, which leads to groups of
Speaker 1: people because crowds are made up of small groups all
Speaker 1: kind of trying to independently get as far forward and
Speaker 1: then when things go badly, get out at the same time.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've certainly never been in anything like that,
Speaker 1: but I've been in a crowd of people at a
Speaker 1: concert pushing forward and feeling carried by your away and yeah,
Speaker 1: and I can't even imagine having that crush of people
Speaker 1: coming down on you, like yeah, it feels like yeah,
Speaker 1: and everybody's losing perspective and yeah yeah. And it's if
Speaker 1: you ever do find yourself in a situation like that,
Speaker 1: there are a couple of things you can do. One thing,
Speaker 1: you know, and this this one is the more obvious one.
Speaker 1: You want to try to avoid falling over if at
Speaker 1: all possible, but that's not always doable, and in in
Speaker 1: certain densities. One of the best things for you maybe
Speaker 1: to take to a hardened fetal position um with your
Speaker 1: kind of like arms up around your head down on
Speaker 1: if you're going to get down on the ground, which
Speaker 1: can preserve a bubble of air for you. There's people
Speaker 1: who have survived in crushes, were like a hundreds asphyxiated. Um.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that's really fucked up about
Speaker 1: this if you read into like crowd disasters, this is
Speaker 1: a small one. Um. Like when you when you talk
Speaker 1: about like there was this one a few years back
Speaker 1: in Mecca where there were two crowds heading towards each
Speaker 1: other at the same time and they got stuck in
Speaker 1: this one kind of choke point area during like the Hajj,
Speaker 1: and twenty people died in a crush. Um. It was
Speaker 1: like it was like a Night eleven like level thing. Um.
Speaker 1: But it happens a lot, and um, it happens a
Speaker 1: lot in concerts and stuff like it. It's this is
Speaker 1: not nearly the first time that this has happened. Um.
Speaker 1: And and that's why it's it's so uh, it's so
Speaker 1: unacceptable that it happened this time, because it hasn't happened
Speaker 1: you haven't seen a lot of cases like this in
Speaker 1: the US recently. Like the one of the big ones
Speaker 1: in nineteen was in Cincinnati, Ohio, which was a ten
Speaker 1: person venue, um, and eleven people died. UM. In nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety one, there was a music festival in Salt Lake
Speaker 1: City where three people died. I'm not quite sure how
Speaker 1: big that festival is, but they I think they were
Speaker 1: both fractions of what Travis Scott had out and they,
Speaker 1: you know, the people responsible for planning this like that.
Speaker 1: There's a degree to which I think Travis's culpability is
Speaker 1: in the way he continually urges the crowd to ignore security. Um.
Speaker 1: You can make a point about like the fact that
Speaker 1: he didn't recognize it was serious when he saw emergency
Speaker 1: lights in the audience um, and and like well, and
Speaker 1: that he has a history of this. It's not like
Speaker 1: this is new to him. It's not them and and
Speaker 1: so that feels unconscionable. It is unconscionable, um, Like it's
Speaker 1: it's just it's also I think I don't know liable
Speaker 1: like legally, but well, it kind of depends in part
Speaker 1: in his relationship, like it's his festival. UM, So I
Speaker 1: don't know, the extent to which the venue was the
Speaker 1: one making plans for stuff like crowd management, Like is
Speaker 1: that something ven you said, Hey, you just bring the
Speaker 1: people in, like it's our job to do crowd management.
Speaker 1: If that's the case, then his his liability is I
Speaker 1: think significantly reduced. But a lot of people had to
Speaker 1: funk up for this to get so bad, And it's well,
Speaker 1: what's what's but But it's also the kind of thing
Speaker 1: that like this happens, Um. It's happened consistently throughout history.
Speaker 1: It happens at religious events, it happens in malls, it
Speaker 1: happens um during natural disasters, it happens during fires, it
Speaker 1: happens during you know, for a wide variety of reasons,
Speaker 1: and it will always keep happening. And the best thing
Speaker 1: that can be done is people try to, you know,
Speaker 1: when something like this happens, make changes as a result
Speaker 1: from it. If people are criminally negligent, you know, um,
Speaker 1: make sure that they're not at a position to be
Speaker 1: working at an event like this in the future. YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1: There's a number of things to be learned from this.
Speaker 1: What's frustrating about it is um kind of what's been
Speaker 1: happening in the wake of it with this little satanic panic.
Speaker 1: We're say, speaking of religion, do you want to talk
Speaker 1: about the power Satan? Yeah? I think that's the more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so before we talk about the all powerful Satan. Um,
Speaker 1: here's another form of Satan advertise so nice? That does
Speaker 1: that work that? I doubt it? Together everything, so don't
Speaker 1: don't don't And we're back and we are bad and
Speaker 1: we are here to have come to back. Yes, we
Speaker 1: have come to back. Hello. Hello, Hi, Now let's talk
Speaker 1: about a satanic panic, shall we? I do love Satan?
Speaker 1: We were going to pick up Yeah, that's where we'll
Speaker 1: pick up. Um. Yeah, I don't know. I've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of tiktoks that are pretty silly. Yeah. One was
Speaker 1: about how before the show they played the so called
Speaker 1: fear frequency, which is a frequency that allegedly makes you anxious.
Speaker 1: Is this like the Havana syndrome? I mean kind of
Speaker 1: in that like it's like not a scientifically like proven
Speaker 1: thing like viable uh theory um. And they like just
Speaker 1: played like the music that was playing beforehand, and it
Speaker 1: was that likesht tosh dot Like it was just very
Speaker 1: fast like sort of like you know, the kind of
Speaker 1: bullshit you'd hear before a concert. Um that I would
Speaker 1: agree is like unpleasant. Um, but thee but like the
Speaker 1: alleged of fear frequencies, like it's like nineteen hurts I think,
Speaker 1: which is like you can't hear that, Like the human
Speaker 1: ears incapable of hearing that frequency. So like I don't
Speaker 1: know how you can listen to music go and then
Speaker 1: go that's the fear frequency. Because what they're like, they're
Speaker 1: just saying it's like unpleasant. It seems like. Um, but
Speaker 1: my guess is that they didn't purposely purposefully play the
Speaker 1: fear frequency so that it would rile the crowd up
Speaker 1: and make them all scared. Um is my is my Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that my little my little pet. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would guess that that that. I don't think anyone's even
Speaker 1: adequately proven that the fear frequency can work in that
Speaker 1: kind of way at that kind of scale. Oh, I
Speaker 1: would agree with that. Yeah, Like it's one thing, like
Speaker 1: I've heard the story they're like, yeah, maybe that a
Speaker 1: lot of ghosts are related to the fact that like
Speaker 1: there's hurts is that you know that are unsettling to
Speaker 1: us and they occur as the result of pipes vibrating
Speaker 1: in places, and it just people keep getting spooked out,
Speaker 1: and that's that's where a lot of ghost stories come from.
Speaker 1: That's like, sure, maybe, um, the entire crowd with because also, again,
Speaker 1: the thing is, it's not about one of the things.
Speaker 1: This the study I said it earlier goes into a
Speaker 1: lot of these disasters are not because people panic, and
Speaker 1: in fact, panic is not the most common reason this
Speaker 1: happens the crowd. Crowds are made up of groups of
Speaker 1: individuals that, within the context of that group and their
Speaker 1: awareness of their surroundings, tend to make rational decisions that
Speaker 1: are oriented to the safety of the group. The problem
Speaker 1: is that the nature of a crowd like that means
Speaker 1: that a bunch of different groups of people all trying
Speaker 1: to make what are the best decisions available, leads to
Speaker 1: these chaotic disasters where people get the air sucked out
Speaker 1: of their lungs or you know, trampled or whatever because
Speaker 1: of how large packed groups of people work. Because you're
Speaker 1: not a group of people anymore, You're a fucking flood,
Speaker 1: you know. Um, it's not it's they're not scaring people
Speaker 1: with spooky noise so that they yeah, because it's anyway
Speaker 1: not that I'm saying the crowd this crowd was because
Speaker 1: crowds do panic and that can also cause these situations.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's not the reliable, necessarily way to cause
Speaker 1: a crush. Putting fifty people inside of a fairly small
Speaker 1: area was not enough good exits, not enough water stations,
Speaker 1: and a ship lit of drugs is a great way
Speaker 1: to have this happen. Um. Those are the things that
Speaker 1: happen at concerts, yeah, or involved who knows, like people
Speaker 1: o D at these events, It's not an uncommon thing.
Speaker 1: They have a lot of plans for it. And when
Speaker 1: you have for every person who's getting high enough to
Speaker 1: o D, there's a thousand more who were getting pretty
Speaker 1: close to that line, but they managed to like keep
Speaker 1: right below it, um, which again complicates crowd management. And
Speaker 1: you know that going into it. You know that a
Speaker 1: Travis Scott crowd is going to be the size of
Speaker 1: a small city and everybody's going to be fucked up, um,
Speaker 1: And you take that into account otherwise you don't do
Speaker 1: it anyway. It's frustrating, but it's frustrated that like people
Speaker 1: are turning this into like satanic panic nonsense. Um, Right,
Speaker 1: Like it was like intended and they wanted it to
Speaker 1: happen more. There's more to this whole conversation. I don't
Speaker 1: have it on in front of me, But what are
Speaker 1: the other things there was like talking about what he
Speaker 1: was wearing, and yeah, one of the big things for
Speaker 1: them is so on the you entered the venue apparently
Speaker 1: through like a big fake Travis Scott head like you
Speaker 1: like through the mouth um, and people are like they've
Speaker 1: been like screen grabs from like frames of Metropolis at
Speaker 1: the Temple of Moloch and like other places like Temples
Speaker 1: of Moloch, which I guess tended to have a face.
Speaker 1: You entered them through a face at least in like
Speaker 1: the media. These people watched and they're like, see this
Speaker 1: is a ritual to Moloch, which is big among this crowd.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, the Devil's like everybody knows about
Speaker 1: the devil. If you start talking about their worshiping Molak.
Speaker 1: It's just see that's into like the Builderberg group conspiracies,
Speaker 1: a bunch of ships. So um, they there's this conspiracy
Speaker 1: like it was the head of Molok. This was all
Speaker 1: like a dark ritual and that's why the reality is
Speaker 1: that the Astro World six Flags that Travis Scott clearly
Speaker 1: loved as a kid and is patterning his event from
Speaker 1: the Big Slide, this huge Texas slide that was like
Speaker 1: the big event. You entered the line through it by
Speaker 1: walking through the mouth of a giant head. That was
Speaker 1: like pretty obvious. And he's like, yeah, it's the thing
Speaker 1: he's doing. It's even if, even if that's not a
Speaker 1: specific thing that he's drawing from. It is a giant
Speaker 1: head that you walk through to enter I've been through.
Speaker 1: You walk through Woody's head to get into the Pixar store,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, And you know something that we said
Speaker 1: about like Disney being satanic but that but not in
Speaker 1: the way that they're talking about, like it's just nonsense. Um,
Speaker 1: like there's just like these rituals built into you're crossing
Speaker 1: the threshold to like, no, it's just a giant head.
Speaker 1: It's just a big head seat aren't we like like
Speaker 1: human beings? Aren't we Like what if it's a giant
Speaker 1: head when it's a big end, we walked through it.
Speaker 1: We're coming big heads. Yeah, we are capable of making
Speaker 1: a giant head as a doorway. What if we did that?
Speaker 1: You know, we made a big head doorway. That'd be neat.
Speaker 1: What have it looked like a dragon's mouth? Wow? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that'll be a great way to introduce this White Snake concert.
Speaker 1: What if we have fire involved fires? The devil no fires,
Speaker 1: just like people like to look at things that are fire.
Speaker 1: People love fire. If it was the first, it was
Speaker 1: the first television, it was the first thing we ever invented.
Speaker 1: You look at the fire and images passed through your brain. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just nonsense of ridiculous and uh yeah, Like nobody
Speaker 1: when the fucking there was that nightclub fire at like
Speaker 1: two thousand one or two, We're like this, the band's
Speaker 1: pyrotechnic set the whole room on fire and like a
Speaker 1: funkload of people died. Um it was like yeah, nobody
Speaker 1: was like it was a devil rich They were like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it was too many people crammed into a
Speaker 1: tiny dank bar without functional exits and the walls were
Speaker 1: covered in paper cladding that you could light on fire
Speaker 1: really easily. But he died like people like, uh, due
Speaker 1: to many many factors. Spectacle and shiny things and bright
Speaker 1: lights and loud noises, And that's what we do oftentimes
Speaker 1: at these big events and it's not because we're worshiping.
Speaker 1: It's not always because it's not always, because it's not
Speaker 1: always sometimes. And I feel like if that's what this is,
Speaker 1: I would have been given the memo. Should we talk
Speaker 1: about Josh Holly's Yeah, let's talk about Josh Holly. He
Speaker 1: is he against Satan? No? No, he is he No
Speaker 1: he's not pro Satan, he's he's against Satan. Unles Satan
Speaker 1: has happens to be a real manly man, in which
Speaker 1: case he's for it. Um. Senator Josh Holly wants to
Speaker 1: make it masculinity a singular, a signature political issue. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, basically saying that the Left is telling men
Speaker 1: that you're part of the problem in here. Masculinity is
Speaker 1: inherently problematic. You know, you're spending too much time on
Speaker 1: video games and porn. Um. Yeah, yeah, that's fun. This
Speaker 1: is um. So much about this is like it's just well,
Speaker 1: it's just interesting that like the satanic panic stuff is
Speaker 1: going on and now we have this like video games
Speaker 1: and and like it's all kind of the same stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and expressed differently. Well, I mean it's totally is it's
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, go ahead, Um, no, that's it. I
Speaker 1: just think Josh Holly's a silly person, a silly man
Speaker 1: um and maybe he's not the pashion of masculinity that
Speaker 1: he would like to be to be of this. All
Speaker 1: of these guys, they're they're all doing a Ron Swanson right,
Speaker 1: Like that's that's what they decided back in I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like whenever that show was on, was like, I have
Speaker 1: to smoke the cigars. I have to like Scotch, I
Speaker 1: have to do woodworking at Tucker Carlson's. Like that's what
Speaker 1: he's got this photos. If you watch any other videos,
Speaker 1: it's all leather chairs and a fireplace and they're all
Speaker 1: pretending to smoke cigars. Yeah no, this really what this
Speaker 1: really feels like, is Okay, let me read this as conservatives.
Speaker 1: We've got to call men back to responsibility, Holly said.
Speaker 1: We've got to say that spending your time not working,
Speaker 1: spending your time on video games, spending your time watching
Speaker 1: porn online, it's not good for you, your family, or
Speaker 1: this country. Can we be surprised that, after years of
Speaker 1: being told that their manhood is the problem, more and
Speaker 1: more men are withdrawing into the enclave of vitalness and
Speaker 1: pornography and video games. So what this really feels like
Speaker 1: to be I mean, there's a lot of stuff here,
Speaker 1: but it's another way of saying all of these problems
Speaker 1: we have with society are because the liberals are making
Speaker 1: you not feel good about yourself. Like no, people are
Speaker 1: depressed because we actually have a toxic culture of toxic masculinity,
Speaker 1: or men don't speak to each other where men don't
Speaker 1: feel like it's okay to cry or to have problems
Speaker 1: or to admit that they need help. Yeah, or more
Speaker 1: atomized and like we're disconnected even though we're like quote
Speaker 1: connected and stuff, and there are a lot of things
Speaker 1: going on, and like the idea I'm curious. So my
Speaker 1: my thing with Josh Holly and these like all these
Speaker 1: guys specifically are like, then what do you propose? Because
Speaker 1: because it seems like he just wants to be fucking
Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson and like give talks about masculinity like how
Speaker 1: to like show responsibility, which is fine, go do that,
Speaker 1: but you're trying to be a lawmaker or the president
Speaker 1: one day probably, but you're a lawmaker, So what do
Speaker 1: you propose? What what are you saying then that you
Speaker 1: want to do if it's not just this sort of
Speaker 1: like how is the political issue for you? I mean
Speaker 1: it's but it's this is just how the Republican Party
Speaker 1: functions now because for the last entirety of our adult lives,
Speaker 1: every major policy they've pushed for has been disastrous, boarding
Speaker 1: on calamitous, and like after the financial crash in two
Speaker 1: thousand eight, they kind of stopped being able to pretend
Speaker 1: we have policies that are going to help people, which
Speaker 1: is why the culture war has become such a big
Speaker 1: deal because they have two levers. They have hurt a
Speaker 1: specific group of people, or they have yell about whatever
Speaker 1: the left is doing. And it's actually hard, sometimes harder
Speaker 1: sometimes to hurt specific groups of people than they want
Speaker 1: to deal with. So yell at how the Left just
Speaker 1: fucked up is like the number one thing they can do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all they have. Um, there's a and maybe get
Speaker 1: this a little later with the relations of all the
Speaker 1: money going into these people. But like, uh, and in
Speaker 1: a Some Mornings episode this week we talked about about
Speaker 1: Blake Masters is another one one of these holly weirdos,
Speaker 1: And it's the same sort of thing where like you
Speaker 1: have to demonize the left and do this culture wars
Speaker 1: stuff and point to every once in a while you
Speaker 1: point to a real problem, but your diagnosis is off,
Speaker 1: your analysis is off, and you can't actually do the solution.
Speaker 1: Like he'll talk about like, oh, it should be good
Speaker 1: to like raise a family on one income, We should
Speaker 1: be able to do that, but the left says it's sexist,
Speaker 1: like well, no, Elizabeth Warren wrote a book on it,
Speaker 1: like it's the left doesn't think that, like you shouldn't
Speaker 1: have a living wage? What are you talking about? But
Speaker 1: he can't. But he can't take it to the next
Speaker 1: level of saying like and therefore we should raise the
Speaker 1: minimum way and like do all these things that his
Speaker 1: party actually doesn't want to do. So like with Holly,
Speaker 1: it's like you just you're just saying this to get
Speaker 1: your little points, but you don't actually have any solution,
Speaker 1: for you're not actually saying what you want to do.
Speaker 1: But you also don't really have Well that's the other thing, obviously,
Speaker 1: because like everyone they want to want you to hate
Speaker 1: being a man. It's like, well, no, you're not actually
Speaker 1: taking what anyone is saying at face value or like
Speaker 1: really uh hearing what they're saying about the toxic aspects
Speaker 1: of masculinity, and there's like toxic femininity. There's all like
Speaker 1: toxic everything. Uh And by pointing that out, you're not
Speaker 1: saying everything is bad, but they have to say it
Speaker 1: like that. Here's an example of toxicity. If the strictures
Speaker 1: by within which someone can be considered a proper man
Speaker 1: are so narrow that it basically boils down to a
Speaker 1: series of aesthetics and an attitude that can never be broken. Um,
Speaker 1: then maybe you'll be forced to do things you hate,
Speaker 1: like smoke cigars all the time on camera that people
Speaker 1: believe it, and you spend the rest of your life
Speaker 1: insecure because you don't actually like any of these things
Speaker 1: that you have to like to a man, because woodworking
Speaker 1: is hard and there's other fabrics than leather, and Scotch
Speaker 1: makes my tummy hurt. Um, and I know Scotch makes
Speaker 1: all of their tummies hurt. Of course, of course it done,
Speaker 1: and that's fine. Not everyone has to like Scotch. I
Speaker 1: don't like gin like it's whatever. And just because I'm
Speaker 1: a lady doesn't mean I have to like a gin
Speaker 1: and tonic. No, No, the only toxic to There's a
Speaker 1: number of things to hate about the gin and Tonic,
Speaker 1: including all of the English lives they saved. But that's
Speaker 1: a story for another day, no time for that. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know it's very um and that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that is a great example where it's like you're just
Speaker 1: like you're forcing yourself into this box, like you don't
Speaker 1: have to live there. You don't have to live there,
Speaker 1: you don't. It's okay. I have seen people who are
Speaker 1: who do woodworking compulsively, and I've seen their shops. They
Speaker 1: don't look like yours. Yeah, fancy garage you got there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you paid everything. He's just so clearly, um, concerned of
Speaker 1: not seeming man masculin enough. They feels like that they
Speaker 1: all are. Holly. Well, I think there's differences to me
Speaker 1: because I don't think Tucker is concerned with the fact
Speaker 1: that Tucker is very conscious like oh this will be
Speaker 1: the best marketing thing. Oh yeah, No, he's like he's
Speaker 1: like very like, oh yeah. I think that's what I
Speaker 1: was saying. I think, Holly, it matters to Holly. I
Speaker 1: picked on Shapiro too. Kid kissing his wife of course,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's I wouldn't call that a kiss, Katie.
Speaker 1: That's not a kiss. Joy, That is your grandparents, your grandma. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean when you don't want to be embarrassed, wanted
Speaker 1: to chase his It's like his lips are curling inward.
Speaker 1: That's it's it's that episode of the Office where Michael
Speaker 1: Scott forces kiss on Oscar and it's just like pulling
Speaker 1: back from it. He I will say, he Josh Holly
Speaker 1: kisses his wife the way Bin Shapiro smokes a cigar.
Speaker 1: That's really perfect Roberto Um episode title. It's it's like, well,
Speaker 1: it's like and like we talked about this in our
Speaker 1: Steven Crowder episode recently too, Like he clearly is like
Speaker 1: a musical theater kid. I just want you to do
Speaker 1: like I want to do parodies of West Side Story
Speaker 1: and like be a part of this and like do shows.
Speaker 1: And but he knows, like, well, I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: wear my gun holsters, and I gotta smoke a cigar
Speaker 1: and I gotta drink this stuff. Yeah, It's it's like
Speaker 1: Stephen Crowder only posing with a shoulder holster. Like do
Speaker 1: your little costume stuff, do your songs. It's fine, just
Speaker 1: a little boy, and to dress up. You can be
Speaker 1: manly whatever that means to you. And still do that.
Speaker 1: Look at Channing Tatum like what do we what are
Speaker 1: we doing? Yeah, nobody Channing Tatum's masculinity because he's Channing
Speaker 1: would yeah, yeah, he's nothing. He doesn't hide much Tatum. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all just very um, it's very performative and silly.
Speaker 1: And like again, like Josh, you're you're a senator, what
Speaker 1: are you proposing? Like are you gonna like is it
Speaker 1: like you want to like force men into like a
Speaker 1: specific type of service to show them responsibility? I mean,
Speaker 1: do you want to ban porn? Do you want to
Speaker 1: be like what are you proposing beyond? Just like there
Speaker 1: is the Jordan people talk and I want to be him.
Speaker 1: I mean the unsettling part of this is always the
Speaker 1: unsettling thing with fascists, which is that they say bullshit
Speaker 1: because it gets them likes um from the beginning, and
Speaker 1: that's what they do, and then when they wind up
Speaker 1: in power, they're like, ship, we gotta well we have
Speaker 1: to do it. How do you do it? You know? Um?
Speaker 1: That was a big thing with the Nazis, and like
Speaker 1: it's a problem. So like say Josh, how he gets
Speaker 1: into power? Logically, it's the same thing with like some
Speaker 1: of the ship during Peterson says, well, if you're saying
Speaker 1: you as a man shouldn't be playing video games because
Speaker 1: you should be work all the time, is there at
Speaker 1: a level at which you mandate it. We have certainly
Speaker 1: had legal requirements that people be employed in different parts
Speaker 1: of this country at different periods of time, mainly to
Speaker 1: oppress black people. But like, that's the example, is that
Speaker 1: the logical next step of what you literally make the
Speaker 1: government regulate how people spend their time so that men
Speaker 1: are doing manly things. Otherwise you just want to be
Speaker 1: a motivational speaker that your your potential um mental health
Speaker 1: issues are because the Left are making you feel bad
Speaker 1: about yourself. Yeah, not that, like is the other part
Speaker 1: of this You not that there's right, not that there's
Speaker 1: something wrong culturally socially, or that we've just been through
Speaker 1: a pandemic continue to be in one, or you know
Speaker 1: you can't afford there's two where there's no hope from
Speaker 1: your generation, where you'll never be able to earn a home.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a good concise way of putting it.
Speaker 1: Where you've had eleven jobs in four years, and no,
Speaker 1: it's none of verbally abused by half your employers. Like,
Speaker 1: none of that's the problem. It's the left. The left.
Speaker 1: It's not that like escapism is a good Escapism is
Speaker 1: a reasonable thing to do to try to deal with
Speaker 1: the world. The Republicans have doggedly insisted we not change
Speaker 1: for you continue to not change whatever. Don't worry. It's
Speaker 1: not that we're going to build back better. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not that you're frustrated because you love musical theater and
Speaker 1: you fucking hate cigars, but you feel the need to,
Speaker 1: I don't know, listen to a C d C And
Speaker 1: smoke maccan noodos because you want your friends to see
Speaker 1: that you're a man. You know, it's fine, just go
Speaker 1: like it's go, have a go, have a water or milk,
Speaker 1: and listen to your show tunes. It's okay. Yeah, who
Speaker 1: gives a ship. We got to take a break, yeah
Speaker 1: for advertisement, you mean we get to take a break,
Speaker 1: as they say across the pond, we get to take
Speaker 1: a break. We need to take a break. We get
Speaker 1: to take a break. Everything all we are back. So
Speaker 1: before we get into some other stuff, here's some other stuff.
Speaker 1: I do think it's related to the holly of it all,
Speaker 1: and this sort of like, uh, taking a thing it's
Speaker 1: like true and then warping it to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: look what the left is saying, and then like if
Speaker 1: fizzles apart. Um, our favorite, our favorite guy, Mayor Pete
Speaker 1: was talking recently about you know, infrastructure bill and where
Speaker 1: money is gonna go and highways and stuff, and he mentioned, uh,
Speaker 1: some of the racist some of the racism that went
Speaker 1: into the construction of our highway system. Cody, this was
Speaker 1: a really good transition. Sorry, thank you so much. Um
Speaker 1: continue Uh and he said, here's just a quote. If
Speaker 1: an underpass was constructed such that a bus carrying mostly
Speaker 1: black and Puerto Rican kids to a beach in New
Speaker 1: York was designed to design too low for it to
Speaker 1: pass by, that obviously reflects racism that went into those
Speaker 1: design choices. Um to which, Uh, a bunch of disingenuous
Speaker 1: freaks like um Ted Cruise for example, would just like
Speaker 1: respond like roads are racist, we gotta get rid of roads.
Speaker 1: Um because he's just a complete clown, full of ship
Speaker 1: man who doesn't believe in anything other than attention and
Speaker 1: power and yes, go, no, no, you go, you finish
Speaker 1: your thought. Um that's it. It's just bullshit because obviously,
Speaker 1: like there's this is a true thing look into uh
Speaker 1: like Robert Moses specifically is best friend would wrote about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll just read it like in a biography of Moses
Speaker 1: written by a best friend of his. States the construction
Speaker 1: of bridges and overpasses were designed too low for busses
Speaker 1: to pass. Bus trips therefore had to be made on
Speaker 1: local roads, making the trips discouragingly long and arduous for Negroes,
Speaker 1: whom he considered inherently dirty. There were further measures. Busses
Speaker 1: needed permits to enter state parks. Buses chartered by negro
Speaker 1: groups found it very difficult to obtain permits, particularly to
Speaker 1: Moses beloved Jones Beach. It's just like a thing that
Speaker 1: I've got one more I'm going to read from a
Speaker 1: Bloomberg article. Bloomberg article, and this is somebody that's trying
Speaker 1: to push back slightly on that. But but still that's
Speaker 1: just context. There is little question that Moses held patently
Speaker 1: bigoted views, but what, but to what extent were these
Speaker 1: prejudices embedded in his public works? Very much so, according
Speaker 1: to Caro, who describes Moses as quote the most racist
Speaker 1: human being I had ever really encountered. The evidence is
Speaker 1: legion minority neighborhood, it's bulldozed for urban renewal projects. Um
Speaker 1: simony and the details in a Harlem playground elaborate attempts
Speaker 1: to discourage non whites from certain parks and pools. Um,
Speaker 1: there's more that I would read, but it's actually offensive.
Speaker 1: But quote so you get the point that this is
Speaker 1: not something that's just like, um, some liberal theory. This
Speaker 1: is a well documented Yeah, it's just literally a person.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the structures that which we live and
Speaker 1: the society which we have created for ourselves. Infrastructure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the people who had a large hand in that construction
Speaker 1: were you know, many of them were racist, and many
Speaker 1: of their impulses and plans were Cody sort of some
Speaker 1: sort of racism with structure, with racism of a structure,
Speaker 1: structures that the racism that's in the it's like a
Speaker 1: Reese's pieces, but of racism and infrastructure that burns our
Speaker 1: daily lives. I feel like there's no term that uh yeah,
Speaker 1: that well, clearly we're the first people to have this idea. Um,
Speaker 1: we should really get on the horn with the Yeah,
Speaker 1: we need to call some people and tell them to
Speaker 1: figure out how to fucking talk about this. It's so frustrating,
Speaker 1: like like just to see like you're a fucking senator,
Speaker 1: like so the roads are racist, we gotta ban the roads. Well,
Speaker 1: then how can anyone take you seriously if that's just
Speaker 1: like how you react. But that's all you do because
Speaker 1: you don't is there's no there's no like the this
Speaker 1: idea that was like sold to me when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, that there's like this is the great you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's what the West wing leans on a ton
Speaker 1: It's like this is the great debate between you know,
Speaker 1: left and right that plays out within you know, democracy
Speaker 1: of the United States, and you know, sometimes one side
Speaker 1: get something right and another and like we we arrive
Speaker 1: at truth by you know, our our our different and
Speaker 1: differing ideas about like reality and and and seeing how
Speaker 1: they work when we institute them. And that don't think
Speaker 1: has ever been the case. It was just a pack
Speaker 1: of lies that was sold to us. But this makes
Speaker 1: it clear like Ted Cruz isn't interested in having a
Speaker 1: debate about how society ought to be structured. He's not
Speaker 1: interested in learning new things about how to more effectively
Speaker 1: govern and and organize like human society. He's not interested
Speaker 1: in that because it is that his job is gone.
Speaker 1: If he is exactly it's manufacturing. He's like, I'm not that,
Speaker 1: I'm an idiot. That's not the guy in an ideal world,
Speaker 1: in the West wing world, you're not debating reality. You're
Speaker 1: not debating facts about how things happened and what happened
Speaker 1: and why they were done and the results of that.
Speaker 1: You're debating what to do about them. So like a
Speaker 1: reasonable honest person would go wow, uh, like like Ted Cruz,
Speaker 1: like straight up if he was just like Pete may
Speaker 1: or Pete's right about this, they were there is racism
Speaker 1: built into the roads. That is literally what happened, and
Speaker 1: I've proposed we don't do anything about it. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: like the honest approach. Do something about or don't do
Speaker 1: something about it. It's the same with climate change, Like
Speaker 1: they couldn't argue on like what to do about it
Speaker 1: because the easiest thing for them to do is say
Speaker 1: it's not actually happening. So you're just debating the reality
Speaker 1: uh that we can all see is true and saying like, well, actually,
Speaker 1: like we shouldn't do anything about it because it's not happening.
Speaker 1: When what they are really saying is we shouldn't do
Speaker 1: anything about it because I need I need my money,
Speaker 1: I need my power. I can't admit that that's true.
Speaker 1: I have to pretend it's not. Um. But in an
Speaker 1: ideal world, be like, well, okay, global warming is happening,
Speaker 1: climent is happening. What do you want to do about it? Well,
Speaker 1: the left wants to do something about and the right doesn't.
Speaker 1: And that's the argument that's being had. Um, But it's
Speaker 1: not feel like broken records every week, every day, the
Speaker 1: same problems. You have to say the same thing not
Speaker 1: you have. But yeah, there's what do you say the
Speaker 1: same ship over and over, different packaging. It's incredible to
Speaker 1: go back to the West Wing. There's an episode of
Speaker 1: the West Wing which my my parents who were dying,
Speaker 1: I heard Republicans loved um, which says something about maybe
Speaker 1: not so great, um, but whatever. So there's a fucking scene.
Speaker 1: There's a fucking episode of the West Wing where like
Speaker 1: the President who's played by the guy from Apocalypse now,
Speaker 1: um but old Martin Sheen, some people call him yes, um,
Speaker 1: ess dad's daughter gets kidnapped and he temporarily stops being
Speaker 1: the president. You know, like because he's like, I can't
Speaker 1: make a uh, I can't like make good decisions. My
Speaker 1: daughter has been kidnapped. And because some ships happened with
Speaker 1: his vice president, the Speaker of the House, who is
Speaker 1: a Republican played by John Goodman, takes over and there's
Speaker 1: like this conversation between the two of them about like
Speaker 1: you know, John Goodban's like, I never wanted to be president.
Speaker 1: This was never my ambition. Um, Like and and Martin
Speaker 1: Sheen is like, you know, are the Republicans? Are you going?
Speaker 1: Like it's up to you to like give the presidency
Speaker 1: back to me, like nobody knows how it's going to go.
Speaker 1: And John Gibbons like, are you kidding? The entire country
Speaker 1: loves what you're doing. It is supposed to. Like if
Speaker 1: in even at that point in time, in the real world,
Speaker 1: the Republican would have called the Democratic president who stepped
Speaker 1: down because daddy get kidnapped, fucking CUK, that's how that
Speaker 1: would actually go. Yeah, I mean the weak bartlet the
Speaker 1: West wing is a neoliberal. It is a fantasy. It
Speaker 1: is a ridiculous fantasy. Yeah, you in order to make
Speaker 1: a speech, sure, that's untouching moment. Yeah, Like in order
Speaker 1: to have a Speaker of the House be likable and
Speaker 1: not shatter suspension of disbelief into a thousand pieces, they
Speaker 1: had to bring in all of the charisma of John Goodman,
Speaker 1: which is like, is formidable, it's good casting perfect Speaker
Speaker 1: of the House, a job that had most recently been
Speaker 1: held in the real world by a pedophile. That line,
Speaker 1: because Speaker of the House disaster was a huge benefile. Really,
Speaker 1: just forget about Hastart entirely. The Speaker of the House.
Speaker 1: The longest serving Republican always Cody. That is true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't leave a space for all the pedophiles. How
Speaker 1: do we make people forget the last one of these
Speaker 1: guys in the real world was raping kids. Get John Goodman.
Speaker 1: Nobody can think about bad things when they're looking at
Speaker 1: John Goodman, which is true. That is true. It's true.
Speaker 1: He's wonderful. Yeah, I'm not thinking about I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: him right now. Yeah, I was too, but then I
Speaker 1: started thinking about Roseanne, and I thought, does that count
Speaker 1: as thinking of something that's not so good? What do
Speaker 1: you think about John Goodness? Sorry, I'm just being honest.
Speaker 1: He was pretty funny in that movie about the Sully
Speaker 1: but he's drunk, he's good and everything he does he's
Speaker 1: always a joy. Forgot that, Like in my mind, it
Speaker 1: was like the coke Dealer in that movie. It's a
Speaker 1: ton of fun. Yeah, there's two scenes of Speak of
Speaker 1: the House in the nineties, but it was like for
Speaker 1: most of the ear the two thousand's, Oh when did
Speaker 1: he It was like really until he was until two
Speaker 1: thousand seven. Boy, yeah, you're right, he got he got
Speaker 1: sentenced and just but like in my mind that's Clinton ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, me too. Know, like the West Wing is
Speaker 1: going on. I guess the actual Speaker of the House
Speaker 1: for a chunk of it is fucking child molester. Amazing, amazing,
Speaker 1: good work, good good. I feel like the West this
Speaker 1: is where we should leave our episode today on this Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: or I mean there's lots of other stuff we could
Speaker 1: talk about. We can talk about it. We can talk
Speaker 1: about the Verry White School for Prigger. You d yeah,
Speaker 1: we should talk a little bit about that. Why that
Speaker 1: that's just good fun, right, that's just good fun. It
Speaker 1: could be, it will be. It will be a lot
Speaker 1: of good fun. A lot of people are gonna make
Speaker 1: money and then that's all that's going to happen from that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just going to I think probably what's
Speaker 1: going to happen because they've already said like we're not accredited,
Speaker 1: like we can't offer degrees again class. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's just this this frustrating thing that I'm going to
Speaker 1: have with this that I also have weirdly enough with Crypto,
Speaker 1: where like you explain why it's ridiculous, and a lot
Speaker 1: of the reasons why this will be ridiculous will also
Speaker 1: be why higher education is ridiculous, because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, I can't say paying to not get
Speaker 1: a degree is necessarily going to lead you to a
Speaker 1: different outcome than paying to get a degree based on
Speaker 1: the experiences a lot of my friends had. Sure, I
Speaker 1: mean there's also a lot a lot of people people
Speaker 1: it's just such a weird, like reactionary thing, like the
Speaker 1: claim that like there's no conservative like professors on any
Speaker 1: of these campuses. There's open like there's no conservatism, it's
Speaker 1: not welcome like all the schools you're saying all the
Speaker 1: schools well, and the school also like I love the
Speaker 1: idea because in their their release they talk about how
Speaker 1: they're going to offer quote forbidden courses. Yeah, I really
Speaker 1: want to know what those are that because if it's
Speaker 1: like science, like like I don't know what you're doing,
Speaker 1: it might be really I'm surd sure DNA and i
Speaker 1: Q is going to be like a whole there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of this one. What Pano Pano Canelos
Speaker 1: is the inaugural um put out this this essay and
Speaker 1: included this fact um, four out of five American PhD
Speaker 1: students are willing to discriminate against right leaning scholars. What
Speaker 1: is there like a link? There is there? Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. But that's just because there's absolutely
Speaker 1: no evidence of any sort of systemic discrimination of conservatives
Speaker 1: at any point in time. In a mirror, it's it's
Speaker 1: saying you're what you're saying is like people discriminate against me. No,
Speaker 1: we've got a um. Oftentimes you are saying things that
Speaker 1: aren't true. Yeah, and like you hurt people, and people
Speaker 1: don't like you because they've been hurt by you, Like
Speaker 1: maybe you made it impossible for them to marry for
Speaker 1: for years and years and years, and so they're like
Speaker 1: kind of suck those people. That doesn't that's not discrimination.
Speaker 1: You you hurt someone and they don't like when I
Speaker 1: go drunk driving through the trailer park near my house
Speaker 1: and start firing my gun out of the window. The
Speaker 1: fact that people there in that park don't like me
Speaker 1: isn't discrimination. Like if I go to their smoke shop
Speaker 1: and they won't sell me a lighter, like, that's not discrimination. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm creating problems for them and they have no desire
Speaker 1: to help me. Um, which is fine. Yeah, completely understand,
Speaker 1: that's not that's the deal that you've made. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is the deal I made when I embraced the sweet
Speaker 1: sweet joys of trade. Well that too. Yeah. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know. This is gonna be funny. Yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be It's gonna be a funny thing. Like I haven't
Speaker 1: seen him mentioned, but I know they're probably trying to
Speaker 1: get him for it. Yeah. I mean, he wanted to
Speaker 1: start a sucking church, so he's all in for this.
Speaker 1: Peterson Stephen Pikers on the part of advisers, of course, Um,
Speaker 1: Peterson would at least be some sort of guests. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got to larrive something with Joe Rogan right, Like
Speaker 1: he's he's there bigger. That's what they're in the release
Speaker 1: and stuff they're talking about, like Austin if it's good
Speaker 1: enough for Elon Musk and Joe Rogan, is good enough
Speaker 1: for us. And first of all, I love when a
Speaker 1: university is like something is good enough, good enough. I
Speaker 1: also at the University of Austin, one of the most
Speaker 1: famous schools the world. It's already the University of Texas.
Speaker 1: At Austin, you are taking almost the exact same name
Speaker 1: as again, one of the most prestigious colleges on the planet.
Speaker 1: I mean surprised you even can legally. Yeah, Like it's
Speaker 1: a huge deal. U T A like a massive, massive
Speaker 1: school capacity it had, Like it's if it looks like it.
Speaker 1: I thought they were. I thought people were joking and
Speaker 1: literally just posting like a U T. Austin And yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah I did for a second and I saw it,
Speaker 1: like the U T. Austin has like one of the
Speaker 1: best business programs in the world. They famously rejected George W.
Speaker 1: Bush like he had to go to his safety school,
Speaker 1: Yale because U T A wouldn't take him. Like it's
Speaker 1: a big deal of a college to try to ape
Speaker 1: the branding of it's just a very um the whole
Speaker 1: thing is very silly. It does read like Prigger You
Speaker 1: Part two. Um, they're not an a credit university. It does.
Speaker 1: It seems like like is this even gonna be in
Speaker 1: person school, Like it's it's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: zoom stuff. I think also wanted Preger University to be
Speaker 1: a an actual like a school. He wanted to do
Speaker 1: a school. But he's like, well that's expensive videos exactly,
Speaker 1: like I can just do propaganda from the comfort of
Speaker 1: my my leather chair. Um. And so it just seems
Speaker 1: like it's gonna slowly turn into that. There's just exchange
Speaker 1: between one of the people involved and this actual history
Speaker 1: professor where she was like, oh god, Cicero thing, yeah,
Speaker 1: and like the claim and he's like the claim is
Speaker 1: like okay, well that's not actually how it happened. Um uh.
Speaker 1: The major part of the text was discovered like well
Speaker 1: after Adams presidency and this sort of thing. And then
Speaker 1: her response is, let's zoom this for an audience. It
Speaker 1: would be funny, useful for displaying this kind of teaching method.
Speaker 1: And he was straight up like, IM not sure I understand,
Speaker 1: but I think my answer is no, thank you, And
Speaker 1: she's like, well, I'm saying we have a disagreement rooted
Speaker 1: in fact and extending in the conclusions, Like this is
Speaker 1: not like you're saying that, Like it's kind of what
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, where like you're saying that the
Speaker 1: debate needs to happen even though it's because you're wrong,
Speaker 1: like the claim is wrong, and so you want to
Speaker 1: debate on zoom so people can see how you're going
Speaker 1: to talk your way out of it. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's like weird. The whole approach to like education is
Speaker 1: very odd, and it's it's well, it's like who's going
Speaker 1: to argue you louder right? Is the right person will
Speaker 1: be whoever wins this argument, And like the idea, just
Speaker 1: the idea that like debates don't actually happen and in
Speaker 1: is odd to me too, Yeah, because I remember having
Speaker 1: a bunch of debates even in fucking Texas. Um, but
Speaker 1: maybe like maybe the temperature maybe maybe these days it's
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, harder to do that. I don't know. Um,
Speaker 1: but because I dropped a college because it seemed like
Speaker 1: it seemed like a giant scammed. Uh, but like you know,
Speaker 1: it's not a scam. The University of Austin. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the University of Austin is a huge scam.
Speaker 1: Got a lot of friends with debt from it. But
Speaker 1: it is like a big old deal. Yeah all right,
Speaker 1: we'll see it's just like the money. The money behind
Speaker 1: this is very like you know, it's like Peter Teel
Speaker 1: Ship Peter deal and that one guy Lawn Dale. Here's
Speaker 1: here's my call. Here's my call for something that's going
Speaker 1: to happen with this. If they actually go so far
Speaker 1: as to try to do zoom classes, um, they're going
Speaker 1: to have to come up with something to do in
Speaker 1: person so that they don't get accused of wanting to
Speaker 1: take COVID precautions. Like they're going to have to have
Speaker 1: a way that they cannot be masked. And I'll be together.
Speaker 1: They don't have a space. People are gonna like, well,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh so you guys are like you're talking
Speaker 1: if they don't have a If they don't have a
Speaker 1: physical space yet, they could just use that. I might
Speaker 1: bully them over that just to try to get them
Speaker 1: to endanger themselves. Um. Probably also like it's just like
Speaker 1: the also like this weird thing. So you don't have
Speaker 1: a physical space, you're not accredited. You don't like, what
Speaker 1: are the forbidden courses? Like, wait until you have that
Speaker 1: stuff figured out before you announce your little It does
Speaker 1: a little bit like like this, like the shitty kind
Speaker 1: of like you you you wind up having a conversation
Speaker 1: with a publisher and they're like, what are your ideas
Speaker 1: for a book? And you you just throw some crap
Speaker 1: out that You're like, I'm pretty sure I could figure
Speaker 1: out how to write that. Yeah, like that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1: I can make this happen. Yeah, I can ship this out.
Speaker 1: Yeah I could work into it. But like I'm not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not concrete, but it could be. It could be
Speaker 1: very well. Don't ask me for specifics right now, but
Speaker 1: I have them and I'll get specifics. Do not worry,
Speaker 1: and it's I don't know. You can tell so many
Speaker 1: of these guys are like failed entertainment industry people, because
Speaker 1: that's a perfectly valid thing to do. It's how a
Speaker 1: lot of people make a ton of money. But you've
Speaker 1: got to be better at it than this. You gotta
Speaker 1: be a little better if you're if you're doing this
Speaker 1: in the entertainment industry, you can do this and make
Speaker 1: millions of dollars. But you've got to be a little
Speaker 1: bit more on the ball than this ship, you know,
Speaker 1: like you gotta put more time into the razzle dazzle.
Speaker 1: That was very Matthew McConaughey. More time and the razzle dazzle.
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