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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever. A production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Together Everything, So don't late stage lease air horns, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I'll give us. Wow. That was a lot of buy in.

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Speaker 1: I felt I felt good about that. It was nice

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Speaker 1: to be part of a team. Yeah, doesn't it mm hm?

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Speaker 1: Who who are we? What are we doing here? Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to to too High. This is worst year ever.

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Speaker 1: I'm Cody Johnston, a person speaking. There are other people

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Speaker 1: that will speak today as well. Yes, indeed, that's true.

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Speaker 1: My name is Katie Still. I'm one of those people

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Speaker 1: speaking today as well. And you are Robert Evans. That

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Speaker 1: is technically correct. Today we are talking about some of

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Speaker 1: the silliest things of this year, which is a silly year.

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Speaker 1: Like all the years from now on until the end

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Speaker 1: of this is the silliest year ever. Yes, whack whacka.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm great. You're great. I'm great, I'm doing great.

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Speaker 1: Everything seems fine. I'm optimistic. Good. Hey, that's great. Have

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Speaker 1: you been feeling that way for a while or is

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Speaker 1: that just like you slept well last night? You jumped

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Speaker 1: out of the bed with a little pep in your step.

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Speaker 1: The birds are chirping kind of vibes. I think it

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Speaker 1: all started to turn around for me last night when

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Speaker 1: I watched the original Gene Wilder and Zero Mostel version

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Speaker 1: of The Producers. Oh it's so good, Oh man, Gene

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Speaker 1: Wilder that we got. We got a lot of Gene Wilder,

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Speaker 1: considering how few Gene Wilders there are in the universe.

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Speaker 1: A good role for a while. Since then, I love that.

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Speaker 1: It's a really sweet and treasured thing that you just

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Speaker 1: shared with this Gene Wilder has made your life such

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Speaker 1: a good place. I think of our lives. Yeah, he has.

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Speaker 1: He certainly has. Um Cody to answer your question, I

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Speaker 1: don't feel good, boo, and I'm here. Sophie kept saying,

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Speaker 1: you can not record, and I said, no, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to record. I'm just going to complain about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the American dream. Still having to work and yeah

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Speaker 1: first and Katie was like, this is Katie's Battle of

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Speaker 1: the Chosen Reservoir. Here I am. Look, it's kind of like, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's internalized capitalism, is what it is. It's this pressure

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Speaker 1: of feeling like I'm not dying. I'm working from home,

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Speaker 1: I'm in my computer. I've got a space heater at

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Speaker 1: my feet. I've got a variety of beverages. I'm basically

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Speaker 1: just sitting here doing what I would do if I

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Speaker 1: wasn't working, you know, so I was going to say,

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Speaker 1: go to you, you you go, how are you? I'm fine.

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Speaker 1: I got a bit of a headache, but who doesn't

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Speaker 1: these days, you know, Robert not me. Baby. I took

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Speaker 1: fifty ccs a Gene Wilder that also Zero Mostell also great. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Also maybe I'll watch I mean films. If you want

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Speaker 1: to see a good Zero Mostell moment, you can find

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Speaker 1: on YouTube him and I believe it was the Tony's

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Speaker 1: doing because he was I think the original Tabia in

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Speaker 1: Fiddler doing uh if I were a rich man, And

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Speaker 1: it's fucking incredible, absolutely the best version of that song.

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Speaker 1: Um sorry, I put that in the episode right here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just put the entirety of Zero most Stell singing if

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Speaker 1: a funny thing happened on the way to the forums,

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Speaker 1: the entire Oh my god, you're right, yes, ah god,

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Speaker 1: a great movie. I mean, we've got let's just take

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Speaker 1: other people's work and put it in this podcast. And

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Speaker 1: we're trying to. We're trying to survive the worst year ever,

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Speaker 1: So I want way to do that is just I mean,

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Speaker 1: let's do a podcast that's the entirety of the funny

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Speaker 1: thing happened on the way to the forum. They can't

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Speaker 1: be watching that. That copyright. We can get away with

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Speaker 1: it a podcast version of it. Yeah, so this just

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Speaker 1: turns into kazah. Yeah, here's all of Lincoln Park. The

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Speaker 1: Jumble of Letters is the title of every episode. You

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Speaker 1: get a virus on your phone when you download it.

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Speaker 1: I think music. Yeah, yes, where we go? Now did

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Speaker 1: you see what I did there? Unfortunately? Yeah? Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: Well you have to talk about the news of this week,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sorry that everybody collectively remembered at the same

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Speaker 1: time the terrible news that we're going to start off.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, the Astro world ship. Robert just caught up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm pulling up my my research here. Um, yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: fucked up. So this weekend, there's this guy called Travis Scott.

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Speaker 1: the guy who like like this is all on record,

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Speaker 1: Um fucking post Malone does that. Like, like there's just

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Speaker 1: this Dan, you should you shouldn't have a crowd this

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Speaker 1: What if we have fire involved fires? The devil no fires,

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Speaker 1: to many many factors. Spectacle and shiny things and bright

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Speaker 1: lights and loud noises, And that's what we do oftentimes

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Speaker 1: at these big events and it's not because we're worshiping.

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Speaker 1: It's not always because it's not always, because it's not

429
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Speaker 1: always sometimes. And I feel like if that's what this is,

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Speaker 1: I would have been given the memo. Should we talk

431
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: about Josh Holly's Yeah, let's talk about Josh Holly. He

432
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: is he against Satan? No? No, he is he No

433
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Speaker 1: he's not pro Satan, he's he's against Satan. Unles Satan

434
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Speaker 1: has happens to be a real manly man, in which

435
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: case he's for it. Um. Senator Josh Holly wants to

436
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: make it masculinity a singular, a signature political issue. Um,

437
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: you know, basically saying that the Left is telling men

438
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: that you're part of the problem in here. Masculinity is

439
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: inherently problematic. You know, you're spending too much time on

440
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: video games and porn. Um. Yeah, yeah, that's fun. This

441
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 1: is um. So much about this is like it's just well,

442
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: it's just interesting that like the satanic panic stuff is

443
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: going on and now we have this like video games

444
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: and and like it's all kind of the same stuff. Yeah,

445
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: and expressed differently. Well, I mean it's totally is it's

446
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, go ahead, Um, no, that's it. I

447
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: just think Josh Holly's a silly person, a silly man

448
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: um and maybe he's not the pashion of masculinity that

449
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: he would like to be to be of this. All

450
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: of these guys, they're they're all doing a Ron Swanson right,

451
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: Like that's that's what they decided back in I don't know,

452
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: Like whenever that show was on, was like, I have

453
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: to smoke the cigars. I have to like Scotch, I

454
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: have to do woodworking at Tucker Carlson's. Like that's what

455
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 1: he's got this photos. If you watch any other videos,

456
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,239
Speaker 1: it's all leather chairs and a fireplace and they're all

457
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: pretending to smoke cigars. Yeah no, this really what this

458
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: really feels like, is Okay, let me read this as conservatives.

459
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: We've got to call men back to responsibility, Holly said.

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00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,479
Speaker 1: We've got to say that spending your time not working,

461
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,479
Speaker 1: spending your time on video games, spending your time watching

462
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: porn online, it's not good for you, your family, or

463
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: this country. Can we be surprised that, after years of

464
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: being told that their manhood is the problem, more and

465
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Speaker 1: more men are withdrawing into the enclave of vitalness and

466
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: pornography and video games. So what this really feels like

467
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: to be I mean, there's a lot of stuff here,

468
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: but it's another way of saying all of these problems

469
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: we have with society are because the liberals are making

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00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: you not feel good about yourself. Like no, people are

471
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: depressed because we actually have a toxic culture of toxic masculinity,

472
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: or men don't speak to each other where men don't

473
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Speaker 1: feel like it's okay to cry or to have problems

474
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: or to admit that they need help. Yeah, or more

475
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: atomized and like we're disconnected even though we're like quote

476
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: connected and stuff, and there are a lot of things

477
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 1: going on, and like the idea I'm curious. So my

478
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: my thing with Josh Holly and these like all these

479
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: guys specifically are like, then what do you propose? Because

480
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: because it seems like he just wants to be fucking

481
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson and like give talks about masculinity like how

482
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: to like show responsibility, which is fine, go do that,

483
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: but you're trying to be a lawmaker or the president

484
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: one day probably, but you're a lawmaker, So what do

485
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: you propose? What what are you saying then that you

486
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: want to do if it's not just this sort of

487
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: like how is the political issue for you? I mean

488
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: it's but it's this is just how the Republican Party

489
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: functions now because for the last entirety of our adult lives,

490
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: every major policy they've pushed for has been disastrous, boarding

491
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: on calamitous, and like after the financial crash in two

492
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: thousand eight, they kind of stopped being able to pretend

493
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: we have policies that are going to help people, which

494
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: is why the culture war has become such a big

495
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: deal because they have two levers. They have hurt a

496
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: specific group of people, or they have yell about whatever

497
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: the left is doing. And it's actually hard, sometimes harder

498
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: sometimes to hurt specific groups of people than they want

499
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: to deal with. So yell at how the Left just

500
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: fucked up is like the number one thing they can do. Yeah,

501
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: it's all they have. Um, there's a and maybe get

502
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: this a little later with the relations of all the

503
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: money going into these people. But like, uh, and in

504
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: a Some Mornings episode this week we talked about about

505
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: Blake Masters is another one one of these holly weirdos,

506
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,479
Speaker 1: And it's the same sort of thing where like you

507
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: have to demonize the left and do this culture wars

508
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: stuff and point to every once in a while you

509
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: point to a real problem, but your diagnosis is off,

510
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: your analysis is off, and you can't actually do the solution.

511
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: Like he'll talk about like, oh, it should be good

512
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: to like raise a family on one income, We should

513
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: be able to do that, but the left says it's sexist,

514
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: like well, no, Elizabeth Warren wrote a book on it,

515
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: like it's the left doesn't think that, like you shouldn't

516
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: have a living wage? What are you talking about? But

517
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: he can't. But he can't take it to the next

518
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: level of saying like and therefore we should raise the

519
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: minimum way and like do all these things that his

520
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: party actually doesn't want to do. So like with Holly,

521
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: it's like you just you're just saying this to get

522
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: your little points, but you don't actually have any solution,

523
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: for you're not actually saying what you want to do.

524
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: But you also don't really have Well that's the other thing, obviously,

525
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: because like everyone they want to want you to hate

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00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: being a man. It's like, well, no, you're not actually

527
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: taking what anyone is saying at face value or like

528
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: really uh hearing what they're saying about the toxic aspects

529
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: of masculinity, and there's like toxic femininity. There's all like

530
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: toxic everything. Uh And by pointing that out, you're not

531
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: saying everything is bad, but they have to say it

532
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: like that. Here's an example of toxicity. If the strictures

533
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: by within which someone can be considered a proper man

534
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: are so narrow that it basically boils down to a

535
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: series of aesthetics and an attitude that can never be broken. Um,

536
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: then maybe you'll be forced to do things you hate,

537
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: like smoke cigars all the time on camera that people

538
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: believe it, and you spend the rest of your life

539
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: insecure because you don't actually like any of these things

540
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: that you have to like to a man, because woodworking

541
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: is hard and there's other fabrics than leather, and Scotch

542
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: makes my tummy hurt. Um, and I know Scotch makes

543
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: all of their tummies hurt. Of course, of course it done,

544
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: and that's fine. Not everyone has to like Scotch. I

545
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: don't like gin like it's whatever. And just because I'm

546
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: a lady doesn't mean I have to like a gin

547
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: and tonic. No, No, the only toxic to There's a

548
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: number of things to hate about the gin and Tonic,

549
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: including all of the English lives they saved. But that's

550
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: a story for another day, no time for that. Um.

551
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know it's very um and that's I mean,

552
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: that is a great example where it's like you're just

553
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: like you're forcing yourself into this box, like you don't

554
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: have to live there. You don't have to live there,

555
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: you don't. It's okay. I have seen people who are

556
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: who do woodworking compulsively, and I've seen their shops. They

557
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: don't look like yours. Yeah, fancy garage you got there, Yeah,

558
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: you paid everything. He's just so clearly, um, concerned of

559
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: not seeming man masculin enough. They feels like that they

560
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: all are. Holly. Well, I think there's differences to me

561
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: because I don't think Tucker is concerned with the fact

562
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: that Tucker is very conscious like oh this will be

563
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: the best marketing thing. Oh yeah, No, he's like he's

564
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: like very like, oh yeah. I think that's what I

565
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: was saying. I think, Holly, it matters to Holly. I

566
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: picked on Shapiro too. Kid kissing his wife of course,

567
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's I wouldn't call that a kiss, Katie.

568
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: That's not a kiss. Joy, That is your grandparents, your grandma. Yeah, yeah,

569
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: I mean when you don't want to be embarrassed, wanted

570
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: to chase his It's like his lips are curling inward.

571
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: That's it's it's that episode of the Office where Michael

572
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: Scott forces kiss on Oscar and it's just like pulling

573
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: back from it. He I will say, he Josh Holly

574
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: kisses his wife the way Bin Shapiro smokes a cigar.

575
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: That's really perfect Roberto Um episode title. It's it's like, well,

576
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: it's like and like we talked about this in our

577
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: Steven Crowder episode recently too, Like he clearly is like

578
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: a musical theater kid. I just want you to do

579
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: like I want to do parodies of West Side Story

580
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: and like be a part of this and like do shows.

581
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: And but he knows, like, well, I gotta I gotta

582
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: wear my gun holsters, and I gotta smoke a cigar

583
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: and I gotta drink this stuff. Yeah, It's it's like

584
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: Stephen Crowder only posing with a shoulder holster. Like do

585
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: your little costume stuff, do your songs. It's fine, just

586
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: a little boy, and to dress up. You can be

587
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: manly whatever that means to you. And still do that.

588
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: Look at Channing Tatum like what do we what are

589
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: we doing? Yeah, nobody Channing Tatum's masculinity because he's Channing

590
00:33:51,840 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: would yeah, yeah, he's nothing. He doesn't hide much Tatum. Um. Yeah,

591
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: it's all just very um, it's very performative and silly.

592
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: And like again, like Josh, you're you're a senator, what

593
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: are you proposing? Like are you gonna like is it

594
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: like you want to like force men into like a

595
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: specific type of service to show them responsibility? I mean,

596
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: do you want to ban porn? Do you want to

597
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: be like what are you proposing beyond? Just like there

598
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: is the Jordan people talk and I want to be him.

599
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: I mean the unsettling part of this is always the

600
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: unsettling thing with fascists, which is that they say bullshit

601
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: because it gets them likes um from the beginning, and

602
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: that's what they do, and then when they wind up

603
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: in power, they're like, ship, we gotta well we have

604
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: to do it. How do you do it? You know? Um?

605
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: That was a big thing with the Nazis, and like

606
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: it's a problem. So like say Josh, how he gets

607
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: into power? Logically, it's the same thing with like some

608
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: of the ship during Peterson says, well, if you're saying

609
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: you as a man shouldn't be playing video games because

610
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: you should be work all the time, is there at

611
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: a level at which you mandate it. We have certainly

612
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: had legal requirements that people be employed in different parts

613
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: of this country at different periods of time, mainly to

614
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: oppress black people. But like, that's the example, is that

615
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: the logical next step of what you literally make the

616
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: government regulate how people spend their time so that men

617
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: are doing manly things. Otherwise you just want to be

618
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: a motivational speaker that your your potential um mental health

619
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: issues are because the Left are making you feel bad

620
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: about yourself. Yeah, not that, like is the other part

621
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: of this You not that there's right, not that there's

622
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: something wrong culturally socially, or that we've just been through

623
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: a pandemic continue to be in one, or you know

624
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: you can't afford there's two where there's no hope from

625
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: your generation, where you'll never be able to earn a home.

626
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: You know, that's a good concise way of putting it.

627
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: Where you've had eleven jobs in four years, and no,

628
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: it's none of verbally abused by half your employers. Like,

629
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: none of that's the problem. It's the left. The left.

630
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: It's not that like escapism is a good Escapism is

631
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: a reasonable thing to do to try to deal with

632
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: the world. The Republicans have doggedly insisted we not change

633
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: for you continue to not change whatever. Don't worry. It's

634
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: not that we're going to build back better. Yeah, it's

635
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: not that you're frustrated because you love musical theater and

636
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Speaker 1: you fucking hate cigars, but you feel the need to,

637
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Speaker 1: I don't know, listen to a C d C And

638
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: smoke maccan noodos because you want your friends to see

639
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: that you're a man. You know, it's fine, just go

640
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: like it's go, have a go, have a water or milk,

641
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: and listen to your show tunes. It's okay. Yeah, who

642
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: gives a ship. We got to take a break, yeah

643
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: for advertisement, you mean we get to take a break,

644
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: as they say across the pond, we get to take

645
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: a break. We need to take a break. We get

646
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: to take a break. Everything all we are back. So

647
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: before we get into some other stuff, here's some other stuff.

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Speaker 1: I do think it's related to the holly of it all,

649
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: and this sort of like, uh, taking a thing it's

650
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: like true and then warping it to be like, oh,

651
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: look what the left is saying, and then like if

652
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: fizzles apart. Um, our favorite, our favorite guy, Mayor Pete

653
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: was talking recently about you know, infrastructure bill and where

654
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: money is gonna go and highways and stuff, and he mentioned, uh,

655
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Speaker 1: some of the racist some of the racism that went

656
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Speaker 1: into the construction of our highway system. Cody, this was

657
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: a really good transition. Sorry, thank you so much. Um

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Speaker 1: continue Uh and he said, here's just a quote. If

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Speaker 1: an underpass was constructed such that a bus carrying mostly

660
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: black and Puerto Rican kids to a beach in New

661
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: York was designed to design too low for it to

662
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Speaker 1: pass by, that obviously reflects racism that went into those

663
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Speaker 1: design choices. Um to which, Uh, a bunch of disingenuous

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Speaker 1: freaks like um Ted Cruise for example, would just like

665
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: respond like roads are racist, we gotta get rid of roads.

666
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: Um because he's just a complete clown, full of ship

667
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: man who doesn't believe in anything other than attention and

668
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: power and yes, go, no, no, you go, you finish

669
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Speaker 1: your thought. Um that's it. It's just bullshit because obviously,

670
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Speaker 1: like there's this is a true thing look into uh

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00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: like Robert Moses specifically is best friend would wrote about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll just read it like in a biography of Moses

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Speaker 1: written by a best friend of his. States the construction

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Speaker 1: of bridges and overpasses were designed too low for busses

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Speaker 1: to pass. Bus trips therefore had to be made on

676
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: local roads, making the trips discouragingly long and arduous for Negroes,

677
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: whom he considered inherently dirty. There were further measures. Busses

678
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: needed permits to enter state parks. Buses chartered by negro

679
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: groups found it very difficult to obtain permits, particularly to

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Speaker 1: Moses beloved Jones Beach. It's just like a thing that

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Speaker 1: I've got one more I'm going to read from a

682
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: Bloomberg article. Bloomberg article, and this is somebody that's trying

683
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: to push back slightly on that. But but still that's

684
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Speaker 1: just context. There is little question that Moses held patently

685
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: bigoted views, but what, but to what extent were these

686
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: prejudices embedded in his public works? Very much so, according

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Speaker 1: to Caro, who describes Moses as quote the most racist

688
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: human being I had ever really encountered. The evidence is

689
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: legion minority neighborhood, it's bulldozed for urban renewal projects. Um

690
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: simony and the details in a Harlem playground elaborate attempts

691
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: to discourage non whites from certain parks and pools. Um,

692
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: there's more that I would read, but it's actually offensive.

693
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: But quote so you get the point that this is

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Speaker 1: not something that's just like, um, some liberal theory. This

695
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: is a well documented Yeah, it's just literally a person.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the structures that which we live and

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Speaker 1: the society which we have created for ourselves. Infrastructure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the people who had a large hand in that construction

699
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: were you know, many of them were racist, and many

700
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: of their impulses and plans were Cody sort of some

701
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: sort of racism with structure, with racism of a structure,

702
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: structures that the racism that's in the it's like a

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00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: Reese's pieces, but of racism and infrastructure that burns our

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Speaker 1: daily lives. I feel like there's no term that uh yeah,

705
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: that well, clearly we're the first people to have this idea. Um,

706
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: we should really get on the horn with the Yeah,

707
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: we need to call some people and tell them to

708
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: figure out how to fucking talk about this. It's so frustrating,

709
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 1: like like just to see like you're a fucking senator,

710
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: like so the roads are racist, we gotta ban the roads. Well,

711
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: then how can anyone take you seriously if that's just

712
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: like how you react. But that's all you do because

713
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: you don't is there's no there's no like the this

714
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: idea that was like sold to me when I was

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00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: a kid, that there's like this is the great you know,

716
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: it's it's what the West wing leans on a ton

717
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: It's like this is the great debate between you know,

718
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: left and right that plays out within you know, democracy

719
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: of the United States, and you know, sometimes one side

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00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: get something right and another and like we we arrive

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00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: at truth by you know, our our our different and

722
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: differing ideas about like reality and and and seeing how

723
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: they work when we institute them. And that don't think

724
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: has ever been the case. It was just a pack

725
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 1: of lies that was sold to us. But this makes

726
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: it clear like Ted Cruz isn't interested in having a

727
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: debate about how society ought to be structured. He's not

728
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: interested in learning new things about how to more effectively

729
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: govern and and organize like human society. He's not interested

730
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: in that because it is that his job is gone.

731
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: If he is exactly it's manufacturing. He's like, I'm not that,

732
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: I'm an idiot. That's not the guy in an ideal world,

733
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: in the West wing world, you're not debating reality. You're

734
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: not debating facts about how things happened and what happened

735
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: and why they were done and the results of that.

736
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: You're debating what to do about them. So like a

737
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: reasonable honest person would go wow, uh, like like Ted Cruz,

738
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: like straight up if he was just like Pete may

739
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: or Pete's right about this, they were there is racism

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00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: built into the roads. That is literally what happened, and

741
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: I've proposed we don't do anything about it. Yeah, that's

742
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: like the honest approach. Do something about or don't do

743
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: something about it. It's the same with climate change, Like

744
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: they couldn't argue on like what to do about it

745
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: because the easiest thing for them to do is say

746
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: it's not actually happening. So you're just debating the reality

747
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: uh that we can all see is true and saying like, well, actually,

748
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: like we shouldn't do anything about it because it's not happening.

749
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: When what they are really saying is we shouldn't do

750
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: anything about it because I need I need my money,

751
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: I need my power. I can't admit that that's true.

752
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: I have to pretend it's not. Um. But in an

753
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: ideal world, be like, well, okay, global warming is happening,

754
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: climent is happening. What do you want to do about it? Well,

755
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: the left wants to do something about and the right doesn't.

756
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: And that's the argument that's being had. Um, But it's

757
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: not feel like broken records every week, every day, the

758
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: same problems. You have to say the same thing not

759
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: you have. But yeah, there's what do you say the

760
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: same ship over and over, different packaging. It's incredible to

761
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: go back to the West Wing. There's an episode of

762
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: the West Wing which my my parents who were dying,

763
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:05,959
Speaker 1: I heard Republicans loved um, which says something about maybe

764
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: not so great, um, but whatever. So there's a fucking scene.

765
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: There's a fucking episode of the West Wing where like

766
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: the President who's played by the guy from Apocalypse now,

767
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: um but old Martin Sheen, some people call him yes, um,

768
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: ess dad's daughter gets kidnapped and he temporarily stops being

769
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Speaker 1: the president. You know, like because he's like, I can't

770
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: make a uh, I can't like make good decisions. My

771
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: daughter has been kidnapped. And because some ships happened with

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00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: his vice president, the Speaker of the House, who is

773
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: a Republican played by John Goodman, takes over and there's

774
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: like this conversation between the two of them about like

775
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, John Goodban's like, I never wanted to be president.

776
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: This was never my ambition. Um, Like and and Martin

777
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: Sheen is like, you know, are the Republicans? Are you going?

778
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: Like it's up to you to like give the presidency

779
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: back to me, like nobody knows how it's going to go.

780
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: And John Gibbons like, are you kidding? The entire country

781
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: loves what you're doing. It is supposed to. Like if

782
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: in even at that point in time, in the real world,

783
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: the Republican would have called the Democratic president who stepped

784
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: down because daddy get kidnapped, fucking CUK, that's how that

785
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: would actually go. Yeah, I mean the weak bartlet the

786
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: West wing is a neoliberal. It is a fantasy. It

787
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: is a ridiculous fantasy. Yeah, you in order to make

788
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: a speech, sure, that's untouching moment. Yeah, Like in order

789
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: to have a Speaker of the House be likable and

790
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: not shatter suspension of disbelief into a thousand pieces, they

791
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: had to bring in all of the charisma of John Goodman,

792
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: which is like, is formidable, it's good casting perfect Speaker

793
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: of the House, a job that had most recently been

794
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: held in the real world by a pedophile. That line,

795
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: because Speaker of the House disaster was a huge benefile. Really,

796
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: just forget about Hastart entirely. The Speaker of the House.

797
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: The longest serving Republican always Cody. That is true. Yeah,

798
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: they don't leave a space for all the pedophiles. How

799
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: do we make people forget the last one of these

800
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: guys in the real world was raping kids. Get John Goodman.

801
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: Nobody can think about bad things when they're looking at

802
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 1: John Goodman, which is true. That is true. It's true.

803
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 1: He's wonderful. Yeah, I'm not thinking about I'm thinking about

804
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: him right now. Yeah, I was too, but then I

805
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: started thinking about Roseanne, and I thought, does that count

806
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: as thinking of something that's not so good? What do

807
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: you think about John Goodness? Sorry, I'm just being honest.

808
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: He was pretty funny in that movie about the Sully

809
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: but he's drunk, he's good and everything he does he's

810
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: always a joy. Forgot that, Like in my mind, it

811
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: was like the coke Dealer in that movie. It's a

812
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: ton of fun. Yeah, there's two scenes of Speak of

813
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: the House in the nineties, but it was like for

814
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: most of the ear the two thousand's, Oh when did

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Speaker 1: he It was like really until he was until two

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Speaker 1: thousand seven. Boy, yeah, you're right, he got he got

817
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: sentenced and just but like in my mind that's Clinton ship.

818
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, me too. Know, like the West Wing is

819
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 1: going on. I guess the actual Speaker of the House

820
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: for a chunk of it is fucking child molester. Amazing, amazing,

821
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: good work, good good. I feel like the West this

822
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: is where we should leave our episode today on this Yeah, yeah,

823
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: or I mean there's lots of other stuff we could

824
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: talk about. We can talk about it. We can talk

825
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: about the Verry White School for Prigger. You d yeah,

826
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: we should talk a little bit about that. Why that

827
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: that's just good fun, right, that's just good fun. It

828
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: could be, it will be. It will be a lot

829
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: of good fun. A lot of people are gonna make

830
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: money and then that's all that's going to happen from that. Yeah, yeah,

831
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,959
Speaker 1: I mean it's just going to I think probably what's

832
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: going to happen because they've already said like we're not accredited,

833
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: like we can't offer degrees again class. Yeah, I don't know.

834
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: There's just this this frustrating thing that I'm going to

835
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: have with this that I also have weirdly enough with Crypto,

836
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: where like you explain why it's ridiculous, and a lot

837
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: of the reasons why this will be ridiculous will also

838
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: be why higher education is ridiculous, because at the end

839
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: of the day, I can't say paying to not get

840
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: a degree is necessarily going to lead you to a

841
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: different outcome than paying to get a degree based on

842
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: the experiences a lot of my friends had. Sure, I

843
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: mean there's also a lot a lot of people people

844
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: it's just such a weird, like reactionary thing, like the

845
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: claim that like there's no conservative like professors on any

846
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: of these campuses. There's open like there's no conservatism, it's

847
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: not welcome like all the schools you're saying all the

848
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: schools well, and the school also like I love the

849
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: idea because in their their release they talk about how

850
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: they're going to offer quote forbidden courses. Yeah, I really

851
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: want to know what those are that because if it's

852
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: like science, like like I don't know what you're doing,

853
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: it might be really I'm surd sure DNA and i

854
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: Q is going to be like a whole there's gonna

855
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: be a lot of this one. What Pano Pano Canelos

856
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: is the inaugural um put out this this essay and

857
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: included this fact um, four out of five American PhD

858
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: students are willing to discriminate against right leaning scholars. What

859
00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: is there like a link? There is there? Yeah, I don't.

860
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. But that's just because there's absolutely

861
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: no evidence of any sort of systemic discrimination of conservatives

862
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: at any point in time. In a mirror, it's it's

863
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: saying you're what you're saying is like people discriminate against me. No,

864
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: we've got a um. Oftentimes you are saying things that

865
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: aren't true. Yeah, and like you hurt people, and people

866
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: don't like you because they've been hurt by you, Like

867
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: maybe you made it impossible for them to marry for

868
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: for years and years and years, and so they're like

869
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: kind of suck those people. That doesn't that's not discrimination.

870
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: You you hurt someone and they don't like when I

871
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: go drunk driving through the trailer park near my house

872
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: and start firing my gun out of the window. The

873
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: fact that people there in that park don't like me

874
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: isn't discrimination. Like if I go to their smoke shop

875
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 1: and they won't sell me a lighter, like, that's not discrimination. Yeah,

876
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm creating problems for them and they have no desire

877
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: to help me. Um, which is fine. Yeah, completely understand,

878
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: that's not that's the deal that you've made. Yeah, this

879
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: is the deal I made when I embraced the sweet

880
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: sweet joys of trade. Well that too. Yeah. Um, I

881
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: don't know. This is gonna be funny. Yeah, it's gonna

882
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: be It's gonna be a funny thing. Like I haven't

883
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: seen him mentioned, but I know they're probably trying to

884
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: get him for it. Yeah. I mean, he wanted to

885
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: start a sucking church, so he's all in for this.

886
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: Peterson Stephen Pikers on the part of advisers, of course, Um,

887
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: Peterson would at least be some sort of guests. Yeah,

888
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: they got to larrive something with Joe Rogan right, Like

889
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 1: he's he's there bigger. That's what they're in the release

890
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: and stuff they're talking about, like Austin if it's good

891
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: enough for Elon Musk and Joe Rogan, is good enough

892
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: for us. And first of all, I love when a

893
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: university is like something is good enough, good enough. I

894
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: also at the University of Austin, one of the most

895
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: famous schools the world. It's already the University of Texas.

896
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: At Austin, you are taking almost the exact same name

897
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 1: as again, one of the most prestigious colleges on the planet.

898
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: I mean surprised you even can legally. Yeah, Like it's

899
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: a huge deal. U T A like a massive, massive

900
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: school capacity it had, Like it's if it looks like it.

901
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: I thought they were. I thought people were joking and

902
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: literally just posting like a U T. Austin And yeah, yeah,

903
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: yeah I did for a second and I saw it,

904
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: like the U T. Austin has like one of the

905
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: best business programs in the world. They famously rejected George W.

906
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: Bush like he had to go to his safety school,

907
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: Yale because U T A wouldn't take him. Like it's

908
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: a big deal of a college to try to ape

909
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: the branding of it's just a very um the whole

910
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: thing is very silly. It does read like Prigger You

911
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: Part two. Um, they're not an a credit university. It does.

912
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: It seems like like is this even gonna be in

913
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: person school, Like it's it's gonna be a lot of

914
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: zoom stuff. I think also wanted Preger University to be

915
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: a an actual like a school. He wanted to do

916
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: a school. But he's like, well that's expensive videos exactly,

917
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: like I can just do propaganda from the comfort of

918
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: my my leather chair. Um. And so it just seems

919
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: like it's gonna slowly turn into that. There's just exchange

920
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: between one of the people involved and this actual history

921
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: professor where she was like, oh god, Cicero thing, yeah,

922
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: and like the claim and he's like the claim is

923
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: like okay, well that's not actually how it happened. Um uh.

924
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: The major part of the text was discovered like well

925
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: after Adams presidency and this sort of thing. And then

926
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: her response is, let's zoom this for an audience. It

927
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: would be funny, useful for displaying this kind of teaching method.

928
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: And he was straight up like, IM not sure I understand,

929
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: but I think my answer is no, thank you, And

930
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: she's like, well, I'm saying we have a disagreement rooted

931
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: in fact and extending in the conclusions, Like this is

932
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: not like you're saying that, Like it's kind of what

933
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, where like you're saying that the

934
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: debate needs to happen even though it's because you're wrong,

935
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: like the claim is wrong, and so you want to

936
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: debate on zoom so people can see how you're going

937
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: to talk your way out of it. I don't know,

938
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: it's like weird. The whole approach to like education is

939
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: very odd, and it's it's well, it's like who's going

940
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 1: to argue you louder right? Is the right person will

941
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: be whoever wins this argument, And like the idea, just

942
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: the idea that like debates don't actually happen and in

943
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: is odd to me too, Yeah, because I remember having

944
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of debates even in fucking Texas. Um, but

945
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: maybe like maybe the temperature maybe maybe these days it's

946
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, harder to do that. I don't know. Um,

947
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: but because I dropped a college because it seemed like

948
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: it seemed like a giant scammed. Uh, but like you know,

949
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: it's not a scam. The University of Austin. Yeah, I mean,

950
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: I think the University of Austin is a huge scam.

951
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: Got a lot of friends with debt from it. But

952
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: it is like a big old deal. Yeah all right,

953
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: we'll see it's just like the money. The money behind

954
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: this is very like you know, it's like Peter Teel

955
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: Ship Peter deal and that one guy Lawn Dale. Here's

956
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: here's my call. Here's my call for something that's going

957
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: to happen with this. If they actually go so far

958
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: as to try to do zoom classes, um, they're going

959
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: to have to come up with something to do in

960
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: person so that they don't get accused of wanting to

961
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: take COVID precautions. Like they're going to have to have

962
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: a way that they cannot be masked. And I'll be together.

963
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: They don't have a space. People are gonna like, well,

964
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: you're like, oh so you guys are like you're talking

965
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: if they don't have a If they don't have a

966
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: physical space yet, they could just use that. I might

967
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: bully them over that just to try to get them

968
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: to endanger themselves. Um. Probably also like it's just like

969
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: the also like this weird thing. So you don't have

970
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: a physical space, you're not accredited. You don't like, what

971
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: are the forbidden courses? Like, wait until you have that

972
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: stuff figured out before you announce your little It does

973
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: a little bit like like this, like the shitty kind

974
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: of like you you you wind up having a conversation

975
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: with a publisher and they're like, what are your ideas

976
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: for a book? And you you just throw some crap

977
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: out that You're like, I'm pretty sure I could figure

978
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: out how to write that. Yeah, like that's what they're doing.

979
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: I can make this happen. Yeah, I can ship this out.

980
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: Yeah I could work into it. But like I'm not. Yeah,

981
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: it's not concrete, but it could be. It could be

982
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: very well. Don't ask me for specifics right now, but

983
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: I have them and I'll get specifics. Do not worry,

984
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: and it's I don't know. You can tell so many

985
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: of these guys are like failed entertainment industry people, because

986
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: that's a perfectly valid thing to do. It's how a

987
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: lot of people make a ton of money. But you've

988
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: got to be better at it than this. You gotta

989
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: be a little better if you're if you're doing this

990
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: in the entertainment industry, you can do this and make

991
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: millions of dollars. But you've got to be a little

992
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: bit more on the ball than this ship, you know,

993
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 1: like you gotta put more time into the razzle dazzle.

994
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: That was very Matthew McConaughey. More time and the razzle dazzle.

995
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: All right, that's it for us this week. You can

996
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997
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