1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The Velvet's 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson. Did you just say sex? 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: You're a C just turned on. It's okay, it's hot 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: in here. Uh why did you say so? I say, 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: check your MinC and you're like sex sex because we 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: had just said I just said something about them having 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: sex without me home and they were like, you're like 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: check check and I was like that this sound like sex. Nope, 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't. It really kind of doesn't. So you have 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: house gas tome I do. It's greats. I have two 11 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: of my closest friends from Los Angeles or visiting for 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: six weeks. Wow, together a lot um. I'm really excited 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: about it. But it's you know, it's there's definitely like 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: I'm we're all I'm sure adjusting. I mean, they lived 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: together in Los Angeles, so they're used to having people 16 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: around and I'm not, um, but like it's awesome having 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's like awesome to like wake up and 18 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,639 Speaker 1: like cook breakfast and have somebody to talk to. Yeah, 19 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: it's of fun, you know, so fun, fun, fun, homemaking 20 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: dinner for me right now. I mean, look at that 21 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: you're like in a little family also, and it's funny 22 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: too because I, um, um, we're like trying to hold 23 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: each other accountable on like what we're eating and like 24 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: trying to exercise and stuff. So it's like, I actually 25 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: I can't lie. Bats are so much easier when you're 26 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: single because you're like, yeah, so um, that's that's also 27 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: a benefit. So interesting, Well, we were going to talk 28 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: about our weekend for updates because we both actually had 29 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: some interesting stories. I thought, do you want to go first? 30 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: Since yours was actually Friday night? Should we go in 31 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: sequence sequential or yeah? Well, I mean I started it 32 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: was actually Saturday. I can't even keep up because we 33 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: literally did so much a Memorial Day weekend. It's like 34 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: Nashville opened up and we're like, where can we go next? Well, 35 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: before I get to like what I was doing. So 36 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: my friends got here two days ago, and last night 37 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: we went out to a writer's around Lindsay played down 38 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: at Whiskey Row really and we we took them. I 39 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: took them there and they live in Los Angeles, which, 40 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: when you know, it was slowly opening up when they left, 41 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: and um, they were like you walk in a whiskey 42 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: row and there's like a million people. They're both vaccinated. 43 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: But like Brittany was just like, I mean, I would 44 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: be lying if I said I wasn't freaking out a 45 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: little bit. Must pause for me the first time I 46 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: walked in, for sure. It's just because it's so bizarre, 47 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: especially after you've been living with a mask a shield up. 48 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: Like I remember the first time I went, I had 49 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: some jobs that we had three COVID tests that week. 50 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: I'm vaccinated and I've had it, and I still was like, 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: it's crazy. I mean, basically, she was like, I'm not 52 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: worried about getting it. It's just that like I'm surprised 53 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: that this is the state of the world. People in 54 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: Nashville are so over it and they're like, let's party. Yeah, 55 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: And what I said to them to I was like 56 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: most people in Nashville or tourists, especially when you're down, 57 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: so it's not even really a reflect action of like 58 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: what's going on in Nashville part of town. It's a 59 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: very tourist s um. But yeah, So on Saturday, it 60 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: started on the rooftop of a whiskey row um and 61 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: you know, we were just hanging with some friends and 62 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: it was like an afternoon drinks hang and then someone, 63 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: not me, someone else was like, let's go to the 64 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: gay bar. And it was at this point it was 65 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: like nine o'clock, somewhere around nine o'clock, and a few 66 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: of us went and a few of us didn't. That 67 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: was a shot. I knew it was coming. I was 68 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: waiting for it. Let me just explain something. We are friends, 69 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: had us come to Whiskey Rot four actually showed up 70 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: at five thirties. So I'm not making my story any better, 71 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: but that was right. There's like that window of dinner 72 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: time and I hadn't eaten, and so it was like 73 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: if I go to the gay bar without eating anything. 74 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: I mean I could have maybe ordered food at Whiskey Row, 75 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: but I didn't. It was like not happening. In the 76 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: scene that we were in. It was packed. Well it 77 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: was funny because I didn't. It didn't feel like it 78 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: was on you know what I mean did to me 79 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 1: because my stomach was growling too. I probably hadn't eaten 80 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: since like noon, and so I was like me and 81 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: a group of people were like, we're going to eat 82 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: and then but this thing where when you're drinking and 83 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: then you eat, you're like, okay, now I just want 84 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: to go. And it was funny because when we got 85 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: to the bar, I was immediately annoyed because it was 86 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: a drag show and the dance floor wasn't open and 87 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: I wasn't ready for I wasn't prepared to not be 88 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: able to do what I went there to do, which 89 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: was dance dancing. It was you were in the movie 90 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: and like, I'm not the biggest fan of drag queens 91 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: is I don't have anything against them. I just I'm 92 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: just like, But I will tell you the ones at 93 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: the bars called Play here Nashville, and several of the 94 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: drag queens um from RuPaul's Drag Race come out of this. 95 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: It's one of the best drag bars in I've actually 96 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 1: worked with one of them for a Jack White video. 97 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: His name was Andrew and he was on His name 98 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: was Princess. Yeah he's beautiful and so sweet, but he 99 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: used to work at play before he I think he won. 100 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: I think he did win. Yeah, I think he did win. 101 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: And but like the screaming from the crowd, you would 102 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: have thought Taylor Swift walked onto the stan, I mean, 103 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: did she great? No? No, But they were like there 104 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: were Bachelotte groups. There was a whole group of dudes 105 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: that were there that were like dressed as firemen. They 106 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: were down from New York, like, and it was like 107 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: at once I like said check you well, I didn't 108 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: say check yourself. Mary Hilliard was like your yeah, like 109 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: like but it was just like I was already drunk 110 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: and I wanted what I wanted. We were gratchy because 111 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 1: you were also firing off text to me, like because 112 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: I was like, there's a fifteen cover, because my plan 113 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: was to come in and just basically appeal. We heard 114 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: about the cover. I heard about the cover. I was like, 115 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: my excuse to not go. I was like, I was like, 116 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: if your drinks were free to night, I literally didn't 117 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: pay like a dime all day, and like, oh that's 118 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: but when you're going in for like a minute, literally 119 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: it feels like freely well you know, the thing is 120 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: to was like it wasn't even my idea, you know, 121 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: like I would have had more license if I was like, hey, guys, 122 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: I'm arounding everyone huff too, like we're doing this and 123 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: everyone was doing if I had gone in thinking everyone 124 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: was going there for me, but like that wasn't even 125 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: the case you were so annoyed. So so it ended 126 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: up being four of us were there. One was a 127 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: straight couple, one was a straight woman, and the other 128 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: one was me. And eventually, so we got there like 129 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: nine fifteen, and I was like, let's go dance and 130 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: I went for the game and it was there was 131 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: a sign on the dance foard door that said the 132 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: dance ford doesn't u until ten. So we were like, 133 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: let's just get a drink. At first, I came in hot. 134 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: I was like this sucks, blah blah blah, and she 135 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: was told to calm down for her and but then 136 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: by like she was like when does that dance word 137 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: open again? So um, it ended up being really fun, 138 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: Like the second and opened was like the gates we 139 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: go running in. We danced a bunch and then the 140 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: couple left and it was just me and Shelly and 141 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: we were having a good time. And I looked at 142 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: her and I was like, Shelley, sweetheart, like I don't 143 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: feel like you have to stay here with me, Like 144 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: did you really, sweetheartheart? I've me honey, honey. Um No, 145 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: I didn't say that to her, but I basically it 146 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: was like, don't like you don't have to babysit me, 147 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: like if you don't want to stay, like, you're of 148 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: course welcome to stay all night, but you know, I'm 149 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: going to stay for a little bit and um, And 150 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: I think that sort of put me in because hey, 151 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest I'm not at home at gay bars, 152 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: which so I don't want to say I don't like them, 153 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: because of course there's a place in the world for them. 154 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: I love the refuge that they like provide, like everyone 155 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: should have a place that they go there. We spent 156 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: the last two weeks going to them, and you literally 157 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: have been on a tear like I'm trying to let 158 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: your for lack of a better term, freak flag. Yeah, 159 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: And I think like maybe some of me even talking 160 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: about this is me trying to convince myself of like 161 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: enjoy these places like you know, so anyway, like part 162 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: of it, I think part of my grouchy mood was 163 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: like me being mad at myself, like and I don't 164 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: I didn't realize this until the next day when I 165 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: was sober and I woke up and I was like mad, 166 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: And I was like, why am I mad at my 167 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: Like nobody owes it to me? To like come to 168 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: the place that I feel like I need to be 169 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: at like so, and I think like the more I 170 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: thought about it, I was just like I was. I 171 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: felt lonely, and I didn't know how to process those feelings. 172 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: I felt like the weird guy who was there by himself, 173 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: even though I like did things at like surprise, like 174 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: I like went up and like danced with strangers, and 175 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: like even if my friends were there, I wouldn't have 176 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: done that, you know I would have because I would 177 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: have focused on my my circle. So it was like, 178 00:08:55,160 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: in a way, it was I should be thinking, um, so, 179 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: but next time, you can buy me a drink, okay, fair, 180 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: I'll pay. I do think that is such an interesting idea, 181 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: And I love the self reflection that actually ended up 182 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: coming from that, the fact that you were, like I 183 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 1: was actually lonely myself, or you had mentioned to me 184 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: that you kind of were beating yourself up for not 185 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: having established a bigger gay community to where you felt 186 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: comfortable doing this until your age. Now like you like 187 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: you like, I feel like I'm stayed in my friend 188 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: group in this codependent way that's just like really relied 189 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: on them, and so you're not necessarily branching out, which 190 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: we all do, right, And so that's such a like 191 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: interesting introspective point to help you. I think, now that 192 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: you have the awareness grow out of it. Well that's 193 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: the thing is, like I've always been more comfortable around women, 194 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: Like most of my closest friends are women, and you know, 195 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: like in the movies, like every gay has their like 196 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: group of women, but like in reality, it's not. It 197 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense for like me to be at the 198 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: gay bars with six women every weekend. Like I should 199 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: have a group of gay friends that I can go 200 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: and like have that camaraderie with, because it is a 201 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: very different dynamic, like women do not take up, they 202 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: don't make up for gay men. Like it's they're very 203 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: different beings. But I have somehow convinced myself that like it's, oh, 204 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: it's the same thing, you know. That's interesting. So and 205 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: so I think, like it's a challenge for me. I've 206 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: got to go out and like, but I also love 207 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: my group of friends, like I don't and I'm spread 208 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: really thin as it is, Like, so the idea of 209 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: having to go find like another group of friends is 210 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: like like no new friends. I can't write, no friends. 211 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: I don't need that. I've got great friends, yeah, but 212 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: I do think it's good to open yourself up to 213 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: new experiences. And it sounds like you eventually did even 214 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: that night, and maybe you were resentful at first, but 215 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: then you're like, wait, you kind of checked yourself, like 216 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: I got to like once I sobered up. The next day, 217 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: I was I was mad, a little bit more mad 218 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 1: at myself, and I'm like, why are you acting like 219 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: a little dick? Yeah, like I even put up like 220 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: I was like, and I was also pissed because there 221 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: was stuff going on about this fucking crazy woman who 222 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: owns a hat store in Nashville semitic, and so I 223 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: was reading that stuff when I got home. So I 224 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: was just mad at the world. I was mad at 225 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: the world. So I put up a story on Instagram, 226 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: was like flipping on the middle finger, and like so 227 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: many people slid into my dam's being like are you okay? 228 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: I mean, if you knew the amount of text that 229 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: I got, people being like his chip really that upset 230 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: with us? And I was like, if Chips upset with me? 231 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: Because I wanted to go to bed, like we're gonna 232 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: have to have a serious conversation. It was just me 233 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: being so emo. You were so emo, but I appreciated 234 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: it because like, actually, sometimes I feel like you kind 235 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: of like push your feelings down onto the fact that 236 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: you were just like super emo. Even if that was 237 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: like the pendulum slowing the other way, I wonder if 238 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: it's something had to be Like I was also feeling 239 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: like even though I was feeling alone and all these motions, 240 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: I was also probably feeling brave. Yes, like that fos 241 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: to the drunk like it's really a cry for help. 242 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: Let's see, you know what I mean? Like we all do. 243 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: I know, we all do it like it got everyone's attention. Um, well, 244 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: mine is actually sort of an interesting tangent off of 245 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: this because it's a little bit of introspection on my 246 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: part in a different dynamic. It's not about gay bars. 247 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: But so on Sunday, which was the next day. This 248 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: is why also I was going home because I knew 249 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: we were going to go again the next day, Like, well, 250 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: we've gone hard the last three weekends and I'm just like, 251 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 1: like I can't hang anymore because it takes me out, 252 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: Like Mondays have been brutal. Monday I turned into the 253 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: most domestic part Like, I can't believe how productive I 254 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: was on Monday. I wanted to brack about it. I mean, 255 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: actually this Monday was okay too, but like the last 256 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: two Mondays going back to work swing and that's the 257 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: other thing, right, like we're kind of out of work practice, 258 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: but now we're like having we're really having to get 259 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: together and like work and so I'm like, oh my god, 260 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: I can't party like I did drink covid because I 261 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: mean this is actually harder than Yeah, you got to 262 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: show up at work and be present and do all 263 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: the things again. And so life is just back. And 264 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: so anyway, Sunday, I mean Saturday night, I'm like, yeah, 265 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: Mom's got to go to bed so that I can 266 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: go to boat tomorrow. So it did, and we got 267 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: up and we went to went on one of our 268 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: friends both while I couldn't even wet, and there was 269 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: like a group of boats with us, right, like it 270 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: was a lot of people, and um, it was so 271 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: interesting for me, was you know, I'm thirty eight and 272 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: I this didn't have like it wasn't like a bad 273 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: connotation at first, but like there was there's a couple 274 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: of our friends who are just heterosexual guys who are 275 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: in the same age group as me. And it's so 276 00:13:54,600 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: interesting to watch guys my age dating and I think 277 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: this is probably like, you know, I can't say anything 278 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: because my boyfriend's nine years older than me. Like it's 279 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: like sort of like you can't really I'm sure there's 280 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 1: like women his age to talk about me this way. 281 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: But um, they invited a bunch of young girls. How 282 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: old do you think those girls? Right? I mean, honestly, 283 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm such a bad Okay they were like but so 284 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: the night before when we were at Whiskey Road, the 285 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: same group of guys also had a group of girls 286 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: there and it was one of the girl's birthdays and 287 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: I made sure to be like, oh, which birthday is it, 288 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: because I'm a bit and and she was like twenty three. 289 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: And I literally was like, oh my god, this is 290 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: who they're hooking up with. And I started to just 291 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: find myself. Like when we're on the boat, I'm like 292 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: looking at these girls. They have these hot bodies, they're 293 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: like just living their best life. Like I mean, they 294 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: thought everything those guys did was hilarious, and I'm like, 295 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: oh my god, idiots, you know, like it was just 296 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: they're well, I'm talking about the guys, right, yes, And 297 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: I also yes. And then I started getting really angry 298 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: at the girls, and I started finding myself like these 299 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: fucking bitches. I'm like talking to some of our friends 300 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is disgusting, Like this is so 301 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: hard to watch. These bitches don't have like I just 302 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: like it was feeling myself getting angry at the girls 303 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: for some reason, and it's sort of in the same 304 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: vein of you like having this aha moment. I sat 305 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: there for a second and we're just like cruising, and 306 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: I like had this moment. I'm like, wait, why are 307 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: you mad at these girls? Like what did these girls 308 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: do to you? Absolutely nothing, just be born like a 309 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: few years later, just be born a lot of years later. 310 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: But like I think also it was this weird realization. 311 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, that is the role I 312 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: used to play. Like it was such a weird and 313 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here getting piste off because these girls are 314 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: just showing up and like looking pretty. I guess for guys, 315 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: they were like they had their perfect bodies and there 316 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: was no all you like the fact that like you 317 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: were tiny little bathing suits like you were looking those 318 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: details and you probably missed there. I mean, the truth 319 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: is I didn't really talk to them either, so it's like, um, 320 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: but like it was there was something happening inside of me. Right. 321 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: They could have been totally great girls, super smart, cool, 322 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: Like I totally judge them based off of the fact 323 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: that they were like just wanting to go on this, 324 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: but and listen, our friends are super cute, Like why 325 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't they want to go there? Like successful cute guys like, 326 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: And it's also like they were invited, you know, It's 327 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: not like they were standing out on the street being 328 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: like looking for successful right, And so it was just 329 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: so interesting. I'm like I sat there and I'm like, 330 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: why is this really making me mad? And I think 331 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: it's like such an interesting thing when you are aging 332 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: or like I mean, it's sort of maybe like the 333 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: lady comment. You know that women that I talked about 334 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, now that some teenage girl 335 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: called me lady, And I was like, do what? But 336 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: I think I'm going through some sort of like I 337 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: don't want to call it like a midlife crisis, but 338 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: maybe after like COVID happened, and then like also this 339 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 1: coming back into this you know world, and realizing maybe 340 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: like all of my old crutches or things that I 341 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: used to use for validation like don't really exist anymore. 342 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: Like maybe they don't. Well, I think that's true. It's 343 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: like actually gonna force me to get to my real self, right, 344 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: and the things that are more important in developing relationships 345 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: and dynamics and like all of these things. But it's 346 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: just interesting when all of your crutches that you're used 347 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 1: to using go away. Like during COVID, I talked a 348 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: lot about not realizing how much of my identity was 349 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: packed into my job, and like, there went this TV 350 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: show that I was on, There went all the celebrity 351 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: clients that I went on because the music industry that 352 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: I work with, because the music industry disappeared. And I 353 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: did not know that would hit me as hard as 354 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: it fucking did. But I've remember feeling like am I 355 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: even worthy? Because I'm not like doing the things that 356 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: I felt brought me value. And it was sort of 357 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: that same deal when I watched these girls, because it's 358 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: like that was what I used to be, right, the 359 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: guys would like the older guys. I mean, when I 360 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: was twenty four I dated, I got twelve years older 361 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: than me, so exactly this dynamic, and it's just so 362 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: interesting because I'm like, oh wow, it's like not them 363 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: that I need. You wouldn't want to be that all. 364 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: First of all, I love our friends, but I'm also like, 365 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: y'all are fucking children, and stop talking to me, Like 366 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like I want to date any 367 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: of them either, you know what I mean. And so 368 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: it's like the dynamic in general is stupid to get 369 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: upset about, but I think it's like this weird, gross 370 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: thing to watch in my head. Yeah, but I did 371 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: have this revelation of like, that's what that looks like. 372 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: This is why when I first started doing makeup, the 373 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: O G s who I was like starting to take 374 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 1: their jobs were annoyed because like, I've also had that 375 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: happen where it's like, now you know people's assistance and 376 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: I've done this with my assistant, like they're starting to 377 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: take some of our old clients that we can't do 378 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: any more. And so you have this weird thing. There's 379 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: all these like young new blood coming in this business 380 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: and it's super competitive, and so you look at them 381 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh wow, like I was on set 382 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: um for a client last week and there was this 383 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: young twenty four year old I think like filling in 384 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: for um, the typical the girl who does a styling 385 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: for this client and UM and I literally watched her 386 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: walk in and I was like, oh, they are come here, 387 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,479 Speaker 1: they come, And why would I be threatened. I've been 388 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: with my clients for so many years. They're not going 389 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: to ditch me because some young hot girl comes in. 390 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: But like it's just sure, maybe, but it's like it's 391 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: this interesting thing that starts to happen, and I think 392 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: I just resonate with women and they kind of made 393 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: me have this feeling too. Though, why do we attack 394 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: the girls, Like why aren't we sitting here making friends 395 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: with the girls, having the converse stations like hey, by 396 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: the way, make sure he's treating you right if blah 397 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: blah blah, al right, if you're down to just have sex, cool, 398 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: but like, just so you know, that's what these guys 399 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: are doing, Like let me just like help you and 400 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: talk to you and make you feel remember your worth, 401 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: you know, and it's not just about that how good 402 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: your ass looks in that bikini and by the way, 403 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: it looks fucking great. At the end of the day, 404 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: they're like, thanks lady. Literally you're like this, this really 405 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: nice lady on the boat gave me some really weird 406 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: advice and then told me I had a great ask. 407 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: And then you're like, okay, does she want to seriously 408 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: like she was tebody to watch out for the men, 409 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: but then patted me on my ask that she called great? 410 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: So who do I call her? Therapy're throwing me in jail? 411 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: But I know boats anymore. And the thing is just like, 412 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: I'm fucking thirty eight. It's not like I'm old, right, 413 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: But it's just these weird programming things. And we'll talk 414 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: a little bit more about that with the topic. But 415 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: like these weird roles you can fall into, and I 416 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: think especially as a woman, but I hear you saying 417 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: that too, of like, hey, I've been a little codependent. 418 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 1: I've helped myself back. Like it's all these things that 419 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: we allow ourselves to not be genuinely seen. And that's 420 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: so fascinating to me in general, that we're just like 421 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: operating from this dynamic that's either comfortable or and I 422 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: will say to me, it was comfortable to know, Okay, 423 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: I just need to dress a certain way and I'll 424 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: get this attention or you know, feel like confident in 425 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: a certain room or whatever it is. And like it's 426 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: forcing me now to be like, no, I'm enough because 427 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: I fucking woke up today and like who I am 428 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: is enough in general, and I think as life goes on, 429 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: we're all forced to kind of face that. Yeah, it's 430 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny because I you know, it is 431 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: obviously it's Pride Month, which maybe we should Oh my god, 432 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: we should totally have talked about that when we have 433 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: a whole month. But like, I'm not gonna find it. 434 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: This literally popped in my head. So sorry Susan that 435 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm not prepared. But um, my friend posted something about 436 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: Pride Month and it was like this is it's not 437 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: about being proud of being gay, Like that's not what 438 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: this month is about. It's about being proud of who 439 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: you are and existing in the world as your authentic 440 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: self and that's what we be. That's what we're celebrating 441 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 1: this month. And that like it hit me. I think 442 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: I took a screenshot. I'm well used my phone to 443 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: record the video of this, so I can't look at 444 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: it right now. But I took a screenshot of it 445 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: because I was like, that's a really nice reminder because 446 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: you know, for me, who isn't like out of the 447 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: gay bars and like flying the Pride flag all the time. 448 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: Like sometimes during Pride month, I get even more reserved 449 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: because like it never felt comfortable to me to be like, hey, 450 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: hey I'm gay. Yeah you know, like but I'm also 451 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: but hey hey I'm gay. But now I'm like, no, hey, yay, 452 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm me exactly, And that is like it was like 453 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: a game changer. It's such a bigger message because it 454 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be gay, straight, woman, man, and it's 455 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: all encompassing to where nobody is better than another. Like 456 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like that and I hear what you're 457 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: saying about you kind of like lean back during this 458 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: like Pride, because I feel like that when it's like 459 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: women's independence and all the like, you know, we have 460 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: the same kind of deals like the day of blah 461 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: blah blah. I don't I can't even think of any 462 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: right now. I'll probably get hate mail about that, but 463 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: but when it happens, you're sort of like, okay, guys, 464 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: like let's just like can't we all just put ourselves 465 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: on this even playing field. That's what we're asking for, right, 466 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: And you do want to support each other and you 467 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 1: do want to build yourself up, but it is about 468 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: being your authentic self and accepting yourself for who you 469 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: are and living in your whatever that nothing to do 470 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: with you you're actually sleeping with. And I think it's 471 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: like a nice reminder to like for straight, straight allies, 472 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: or whether it's men during Women's Month or Caucasians during 473 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: African American Like, it is like it's not about just 474 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: focusing on someone who's other. It's about like actually embracing 475 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: them and seeing yourself and everybody because it's like, when 476 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: you're proud of who you are, there's a little piece 477 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: of you and everyone you know. So, um, you know, 478 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: that's sort of like how I want to approach this month. 479 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: So maybe we can we can put on that a 480 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: little bit. Next. Yeah, we did just mention who you 481 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: have sex with, and so we were speaking of being 482 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: authentic or in authentic or inauthentic. Let's talk about faking orgasms. 483 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: So let's talk about how we even got to this topic. 484 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: Um wait, why did we get to this topic? I mean, 485 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: we've gone through a couple. Oh, I was telling you 486 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: I remember now, so I did. I did a podcast 487 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: earlier this week about good girl myths. So her name 488 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: is mah Home Alfino Malfino, and she wrote this amazing 489 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: book about how to break the good girl Myths. And 490 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: I think there's programming and everyone right Like, I don't 491 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: think this is just specific to women. I think women 492 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: are just talking about it a lot more right now 493 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: as a part of this like feminist movement and really 494 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: trying to find an equal playing field for ourselves in 495 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: the world. And um, breaking the good girl myths to 496 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: me is super a super big part of that. And 497 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: so you know, it's things like perfectionism or harmony or 498 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: logic or all these things that we do and tell ourselves. 499 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: You have to be perfect for this relationship to work, 500 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: for this person to love you, to keep the peace, 501 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: you have to always be happy, to be like, keep 502 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: the harmony to um, make sure life is good, and 503 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: all of these things. And it really kind of stifles 504 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: who you are as a woman. And also it's that 505 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: same messaging of like what you are is not enough, Um, 506 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: you need to go do more to earn this love 507 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: or earn whatever, and it's so old and it's been 508 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: most of us since childhood, and so it's hard to 509 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: really break. But we were talking about it and I 510 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: thought to myself, oh my god, this totally ties into 511 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: why so many women fake orgasms, I think, And there's 512 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: a lot of the there's a lot tied into that. 513 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: But one of the things that I think you and 514 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: I started discussing was one, we don't know our bodies 515 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: the way that men do because it has not been 516 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: programmed into into us in my generation. That that's okay, 517 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: Like it's starting to be talked about and it's starting 518 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: to be accepted that women masturbate or women want to 519 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: have orgasms or any of these things. But before like now, 520 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: as far as I know, at least maybe during the 521 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: woodstock days and when things were free and whatever, it 522 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: was different. But there's a lot of programming and women 523 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: to just show up and be there for a man 524 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: to really enjoy sex and to be basically like a 525 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: fucking hole in like a body, you know, and like 526 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of pleasure in that for us, 527 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: and also just kind of to be like I don't 528 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: know if it was like the expectation was put on 529 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: women to be prudish, but it was kind of an expectation. 530 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: Like I mean even in The Bridesmaids when they're talking 531 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,239 Speaker 1: about like having kids, they're like, well, we don't have 532 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: boys because the sheets break, you know, they crack in half, 533 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: they stand up on their own. It's like you can 534 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: like boy and there's always a stereotypical like I walked 535 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: in and caught my son jacking off, or like the 536 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: common sock or like those things are like talked about regularly, 537 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,719 Speaker 1: but like no one was like I walked in and 538 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: saw my daughter rubbing one out, you know. Like so 539 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: just talking about the fact that it happens in like 540 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: a local way about boys does make it a little 541 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: bit more like accepted in society. Fucking hate so many levels. 542 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, like I told you before we started recording, 543 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: Like when I was growing up, and especially like in 544 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: high school days or even in college, like my friends 545 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: were all just kind of like we didn't even talk 546 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: about it or it wasn't this like normal thing. Everyone 547 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: was kind of like, oh no, I don't do that, 548 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: or like kind of like I don't like that, Like 549 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: I'd rather be with a guy, or I'd rather have 550 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: a partner. You know whatever it was like, nobody seemed 551 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: really that interested in doing that. And honestly, if I 552 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: really think back about it, I feel like it's because 553 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: we didn't know how, which is wild to think about, 554 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 1: but like because mother is teaching you, nobody's teaching you. 555 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you can feel around for a minute, but 556 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: it's like a little more complicated than a dude. And 557 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: it's also internal where a guy, like a boy is 558 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: playing with his dick from the day he comes out 559 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: of you know, like you're familiar with it, and one 560 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: day you get aroused. Yeah, and so then you're like 561 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: and then I remember, what was that? Yeah? Like I've 562 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: actually heard a lot of dudes be like I didn't 563 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: know what just what happened right, Like it just felt 564 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: good and then all of a sudden it was that yeah, 565 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: or then but you didn't even under stand like what 566 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: it So anyway, it was just such an interesting thing, 567 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: and we start having these conversations about like why girls 568 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: do that. I think a lot of girls, once you 569 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: get older, do it because it's just fucking easier to 570 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, this isn't going to happen, and you're like, okay, cool, 571 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: let's look like and like what high schoolers do you 572 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: know that are like buying toys, you know what I mean, Like, 573 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: I do think things are different nowadays because of porn. 574 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: Do you feel that, Yeah, I mean like porn has 575 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: always been around, but it's not in the capacity that 576 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: it is until your family was in bed and throwing 577 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: the vhs and you know, you're buying magazines, Like it 578 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: wasn't like easily accessible when you're fucking found. I mean, 579 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: you don't have it anywhere now totally, and like that 580 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: is another part of the problem to me though, is 581 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: like a lot of the heterosexual porn is so driven 582 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: again for the male orgasm. It's like if guys are 583 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: watching this and they really think that those girls are 584 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: having real orgasms, Like that's another part of the whole problem. 585 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: I mean, like the guys are faking a lot of 586 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: them too. I mean, like, OK, so you said this 587 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: to me, so it's like let's talk about that. Yeah, 588 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: I mean, well, well, I mean in porn, because it's 589 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: a lot of it's acting. Like if you really look 590 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: at porn, like a lot of the even the noises 591 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: that you're hearing is done in like post. It's like 592 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: done in post like someone's watching it being like like 593 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: you're like, wait that somebody just got smacked and there 594 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: was no or the SmackDown comes like it's so annoying 595 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: it's dumb. But no, I mean it's well. In our 596 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: conversations when we started talking about the topic, I was like, 597 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: I mean men fake it too. This is what I 598 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: don't understand. Yeah, well I gotta understand how girls do it, 599 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: and like how a guy wouldn't know because there's a 600 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: lot of things like with the girl. And I will 601 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: say this, if there's any guys listening, you can basically 602 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: google how do I know if my girl is faking it? 603 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: And it'll tell you all the ways and like those 604 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: are true, Like there's all of these things. Hello, when 605 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: you you know a ton about vagina, isn't it It's like, 606 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: well that's a but that is a thing. I told 607 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: you about this and like you can even kind of fake. 608 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: You're like it's basically like keegels And I was like, no, 609 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: it's really not. And I like did a video and 610 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: I'm like demonstrating to it looks like you know, it's 611 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: like it's like uncontrollable, like whatever. Basically the same as 612 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: though it is for a guy, Like if you if 613 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: you think that your girl is having one, when do 614 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: you think she's doing a kegel squeeze? Well, you know 615 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: what's funny, Like there are I mean, for for guys, 616 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: there is a difference between truly having orgasm and coming Okay, 617 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: what do you mean? Tell me? Like, I like, you 618 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: can just kind of get yourself to come, which is 619 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: technically and physically an orgasm, like when you have a 620 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: real orgasm when you are aroused and it's like you're 621 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: in rhythm with your partner, Like it's the same thing 622 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: where it takes over your body and like sometimes it's 623 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: like it hurts. It feels so good, you know. But 624 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: there's like times like when when like when I think 625 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: it happens a lot more times when when you're masturbating 626 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: and it's really just about getting off and needing that release. 627 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: You've always said, it's not the same. It's not the same. 628 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,239 Speaker 1: But like when you're like in the thick of it 629 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: and you have a an orgasm, like it can be 630 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: like your body tenses, it's like a full body experience. 631 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: What is it If you just kind of understand the difference, 632 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: it's I mean, it still feels good. It's just not 633 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: like you can. It's just like a one versus a 634 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: tenet that it's probably like, you know, it's a guy 635 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: can in any sort of sexual situation come come to release. 636 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's just gonna happen. But I don't know 637 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: that all of them are true orgasms either, you know, 638 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: Like so I never thought about it that way. I actually, 639 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: when I heard you say that guys fake or essence 640 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: to thought about it in the capacity of like, how 641 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: would they not how would they fake coming? But I 642 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: guess if you were wearing a condom, you can throw 643 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: it away pretty quickly, or you could say like, oh 644 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: I didn't it wasn't a very big load. I jacked 645 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: off earlier, you know what I mean, Because there's there's 646 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: obviously a difference like if if you've had sex, say 647 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: you've had you had sex earlier, and then the woman 648 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: you're with or the guy you're with wants to do 649 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: it again and you're like, I'm really not into this. 650 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: So I mean, it's like so interesting to the tank 651 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: is empty, you know. Yeah, yeah, that's true. I guess 652 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: I just always like what's beat into our heads about 653 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: dudes is that y'all are always in the mood for sex, 654 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: and I actually don't think that that's true either. Well, look, 655 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: we all find ourselves in situations where we're like with somebody, 656 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: we're like, we're not really that into the person, and 657 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: sometimes it's easier just to go ahead and like do 658 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: the deed. But then when they're like, let's keep going, 659 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: you're like, I'm tired. You're like. We have a friend 660 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: who used to say she would play pause and when 661 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: she didn't want to a cup with theim, I just 662 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: lay there like she was asleep. Um, well there was 663 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: a very famous person she did that too. She rubbed 664 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: his nipples. Oh man, we shouldn't really say who it is. 665 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: It's hilarious. Um, why don't you give a bar from 666 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: a song? We don't need to, we don't need to 667 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 1: pay publishing. Figure it out from that. She was damn 668 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: it anyway, I think the girls. So I had a tangent, 669 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: and then I got really stuck on the rubbing the nipples. 670 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: Your nipples rubbed this week? Und oh my god, I 671 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: forgot about that. I literally forgot about that to you 672 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: just said it. I just had a hot kissed me 673 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: on my face. She kissed you on the lips. We 674 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: had a friend who had friends coming down. I totally 675 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: forgot about that. We're totally on a tangent right now, 676 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: but we need to talk about I'm so sorry because 677 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: this is very unprepared, but y'all need to know this story. 678 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: So when we were at Whiskey Row, I first of 679 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 1: all was standing there just having a conversation with Mary. 680 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't saying anything like I mean, I was just 681 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: like having a normal conversation, not doing anything weird. And 682 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: this is one of our friend's boyfriend's friend was in 683 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: town from Ohio. That's like a little long tanged too. 684 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: But anyway, she was a stranger to I've never met 685 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: this girl. So she walks up to me and Mary 686 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: and she was like, wait, I'm gonna say she's not 687 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: a girl. This is a This is like a forty 688 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: some year old mother of two kind of little lady. 689 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,439 Speaker 1: I mean she's all of five ft tall. I don't 690 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: even know a backpack on. I mean, she was like 691 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: she became in her husband there. She was super fun. Um. 692 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: But yeah, she walks over to me and Mary. Mary 693 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: is like, I love this girl. She's so fun. She 694 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: was like pounding tequila. I guess and she literally asked 695 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: me what I had on and I go oh, Like, 696 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: I was like, what do you mean? And she's like, 697 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: under your jacket is that a body suit? I was like, 698 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: oh yeah, she just let me see it, so I'm 699 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: like oop in my jacket to show her. But she 700 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: was like do you have But we were talking about 701 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: that I didn't wear a bra. I have like small boobs. 702 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: I never wear a fucking bra, right, It's one of 703 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: the perks of having small boobs, And so they're talking 704 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 1: about how they can never do that, and she literally 705 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: before I know it is like she's like looks at 706 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: my bodies and then before she's rubbing my nipples and 707 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: like they got hard. It's like to come back to 708 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: do it more. You're like I liked that. That was 709 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: like a joke, but like, yes, it was just I 710 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,879 Speaker 1: literally was like, oh, Hi, nice to meet you. Rub 711 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: my fucking nipples. Well. Then she then she came up. 712 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: Then she got me. She like back danced, upped on me, 713 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: back danced up on me, backed up her thing and 714 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: like was like grinding on me and then telling me 715 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: how she she has to beg her husband to funk 716 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 1: her in the ass. Like she likes to be choked 717 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 1: and fucked in the butt, but she has to beg 718 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: for it to be your husband to do that, like 719 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: most guys are begging their but like, it's probably because 720 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: she comes in hot on him. You know, we're real hot. 721 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: I bet he's faked a few orgasms just to be literally, 722 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: I'm not choking you tonight, babe, honey. He was so sweet. 723 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 1: I asked her, I was like, what is in your backpack? 724 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: On iPad? And she was like, fuck you, I'm just 725 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 1: going to school. No. Actually her response was even better. 726 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 1: She has a lot of money and tampons. She's ready 727 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: to take Nashville. I mean it's kind of a smart way. 728 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: If you've got a bunch of cash in your bag, 729 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: put a bunch of tampons on it. Nobody's going to 730 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: be like I love that. You really check the tampons safe. 731 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: They literally they opened and they're like, you grow tampons. 732 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: Wait did she kiss me on the mouth? Yeah? She 733 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: kiss me on the mouth several times? My god. I 734 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,919 Speaker 1: mean she was like a fun little party trick. Though. Well, 735 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: well there you go anyway back Organs. I don't really 736 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: know if we're even making our point here. I feel 737 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 1: like we sort of came in hot with this topic, 738 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: and do you think we did it? I wanted to 739 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: know more about min faking in well, I mean, well, 740 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: here's the thing what I read, and I feel like 741 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 1: a lot of these articles pulled from the same sources. 742 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: But basically, in a study of men eighteen to nine, UM, 743 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: thirty of men admitted to having faked orgasms compared to 744 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: women is around six Right, where do you know that? 745 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: So sixties? I mean, I've definitely faked orgasms in my life, 746 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: Like I don't make a fact. That was probably because 747 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: you didn't even know I told you, Like, I don't 748 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: think I had my first orgasm till I was in 749 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: my mid twenties, and so I didn't even really know 750 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: what was going. Like I was like, that's good, right, Um, 751 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 1: that's what I was saying about, like women not knowing 752 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: their own bodies. Like if you don't know how to 753 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: do it yourself, how then are going to tell someone 754 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,879 Speaker 1: else what they need to do to get you there? 755 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: Like you don't even know how to do it, and 756 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: it is like a little more complex, but then once 757 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,959 Speaker 1: you figure it out, it's really not and like you'll 758 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: know what you need for your body. The interesting part 759 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: about the statistic that you about women like six say 760 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: they have UM eighties something percent. I think it was 761 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 1: like eighties six or eighties seven percent of men think 762 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: that their partner never has. That's funny. So that just 763 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: goes to show you, like, yeah, like maybe I don't 764 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: know nobody's doing anyone any favors by faking an orgasm. 765 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 1: Well you know what's funny though, is UM? This article 766 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: on Glamour says, so obviously it's they admitted to Men 767 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: admitted to faking it during all types of sex acts, 768 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: but mostly when it's the penis and vagina, penis and anus, 769 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: Like we would have to be in something or else. 770 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: No one would be confused, right unless you use the 771 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: excuse of the chamber was empty, you know, I don't think. 772 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: But the most common reason why they did it was 773 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,760 Speaker 1: to boost their partner's ego. And yeah, and it says 774 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: other motives um were to be sexy, to avoid upsetting 775 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: their partners, or because they were like on drugs or drunk. 776 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: And an interesting part of the study says the study 777 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: actually found that men who faked orgasms were happier with 778 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: their relationships. Both sexually and romantically. They also tended to 779 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: fake orgasms to make their partners happy or to create 780 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: the illusion of simultaneous orgasm, so it was really done 781 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 1: with the best of intentions. The simultaneous orgasm is like 782 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: such a bad idea for anybody, because like, this is 783 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: another thing in most of the articles that I read, like, um, 784 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: it says to guys, if you're going to come from me, 785 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: come from me, come on, come, come, screaming at a 786 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: girl like that's not and then she does it. That 787 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: means she's probably faking it, because like, and that is true. 788 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: I mean, it can be hot. I will say, like 789 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: if you're very in the moment and he says something 790 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: like that, you're like if you're right there already, but 791 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 1: like someone yelling at you to come is not going 792 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: to really make you get there. Have you ever had 793 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: a simultaneous orgasm? A couple of times yet it is 794 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: pretty funny, mind blowing. Yeah, it is magical when it 795 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: actually happens. And there's look, I think that like the 796 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 1: stars truly have to align. It's such a fluke. It's 797 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: such a flue. But when it does happen, it's fucking crazy. Yeah, 798 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 1: I agree, with that, but I just don't think it's 799 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: very common, and so it's like, maybe just let go 800 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: that idea and if it happens, it happens awesome. But 801 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: like I mean, honestly I think it would. The only 802 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: chance of it happening is if you're not thinking about 803 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: it happening. I think that's right. You have to be 804 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: so in the moment and the girl has to be 805 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: so much further along. We talked about this the guy, like, 806 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: I feel like a guy can go so fast and 807 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 1: a girl it just takes longer. Yeah, you gotta for 808 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: a play, Yeah, you gotta play with it. Yeah, that 809 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,840 Speaker 1: little muff thing it's called a clip. Okay, well the 810 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,800 Speaker 1: whole thing I'm talking about, the whole apparatus. Oh my god. 811 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 1: Again when Chips like he knows stuff about the jinas 812 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: that day I sent you that diagram of a vagina 813 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,879 Speaker 1: have one? I don't know if you know about me, right, 814 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: I don't know all women do? Like, well, I'm aware, 815 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: thank you? Yeah, shared on your socials. Oh my vagina anatomy? 816 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: Know what? I think people can look it up, google 817 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 1: it if you don't know. I feel like we're just 818 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 1: like totally fucking this tokaf fake yourself out. My god, 819 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,359 Speaker 1: what if I did that? How would you do that? 820 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: You can't? You could? What would be the point wine 821 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: that you gave me? It starts okay, so it's this um, 822 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,840 Speaker 1: it's like actually one of my favorites. I'm actually going 823 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 1: to do a giveaway on my Instagram. So if anyone 824 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,439 Speaker 1: wants to go, try to apply for this. It's called 825 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: Sunny with the chains of Flowers. It is there's no 826 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: sugar in this one. There's no sugar. It's less alcohol, 827 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,239 Speaker 1: but so you end up drinking more maybe like like 828 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: you'll drink a bottle, but it's like eighty five calories 829 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,759 Speaker 1: per the whole bottle. This is not an ad, by 830 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: the way. This is just like I love this wine, 831 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: and so I decided to give away because I always 832 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: post about it and people asked me about it. It's 833 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: out in Nashville everywhere right now, and so good. It's 834 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: it's totally good. I'm not a white wine drinker, and 835 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: I actually like, yeah, I like so acidic to this 836 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 1: is not it's not it's not heavy. It goes don't 837 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,359 Speaker 1: really easy, but it does catch you by the end 838 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 1: because you think you're flowing and you're good, and all 839 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:21,959 Speaker 1: of a sudden, You're like, whoa, Now I'm talking about 840 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 1: faking an orgasm clearly. And then also like we had 841 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 1: all these bold points about this topic and I'm like, 842 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 1: did we hit any of them? Susan is literally going 843 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 1: to come so hard at us. I feel like we 844 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: have this. This flowed really well. Okay, I didn't check 845 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: drop box once. Thank god. The days of you doing 846 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: that are hopefully over over. That was that was like 847 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: a real work moment that like the problem with having 848 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: my research in front of me on my computers up, 849 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh fuck, So nothing like that happened to 850 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 1: the whole point of what our point was is that 851 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 1: no one does anyone any justice by faking orgasm. So 852 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: get to know your body and also be open with 853 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 1: your partners problem. You're not that into the person that 854 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,720 Speaker 1: you were fucking, communicate that and stop sucking them because 855 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: it's not for you, or that I just say this 856 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: isn't gonna work for me. I will say to you 857 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 1: that with the times that I can clearly remember doing it, 858 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 1: it was like situations where I wasn't really it was 859 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,439 Speaker 1: like a not a newer relationship thing. I didn't really 860 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: like think that this would go anywhere with the guy, 861 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,359 Speaker 1: and for me, if I don't have that connection, it's 862 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: really hard for me to get there. And then if 863 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 1: I have a connection, it actually like changes the whole 864 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: game of every touch fills and made it's like so 865 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: different how it works for women. I think sometimes a 866 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,839 Speaker 1: bit of a parachute, Like it's like it's a way 867 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: to like it's like a way to wrap it up. 868 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, you're like, especially if you know it's 869 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: not going to happen or if you know it's not 870 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 1: gonna like last with that person, you're kind of like 871 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 1: a funk it. I don't care if you know you're 872 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: going to be in this relationship, you don't want to 873 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 1: do it because like then you're fucked for the rest. 874 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,279 Speaker 1: And I think it's fair to be like, hey, take 875 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: let's go to like this isn't gonna happen to night 876 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: and it has nothing to do with you, Like we 877 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: will get there or give them some tips, get some 878 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: some tips. You let him explore. But then the guy, 879 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,840 Speaker 1: that guy's faking it really through me because I was like, Dary, well, 880 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 1: you know, I think some of it. I think that 881 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: happens most often when someone's been drinking too much and 882 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 1: they like whiskey dick, it's whiskey dick, or yeah, or 883 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,440 Speaker 1: you're just not into that person and so your mind's 884 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: in another place and guy just suck anybody. Yeah, But 885 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,800 Speaker 1: it's not that like there is like, no, not really. 886 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,360 Speaker 1: I mean a lot more than a woman can just 887 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 1: suck anybody, a guy can. But like, they're definitely moments 888 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 1: where you're like, it's not gonna work. Yeah, so you 889 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,720 Speaker 1: try to get it over with as fast as possible. 890 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: What would your faking sound? Im do it? Do it? 891 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,040 Speaker 1: I mean I don't know that I even could do it. Yes, 892 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,160 Speaker 1: you can know when you're faking it with your health 893 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 1: later what they gonna You know that scene from when 894 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,880 Speaker 1: Harry met Sally and Meg Ryan is like having that 895 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,399 Speaker 1: Did you imagine having to do that in a room 896 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,799 Speaker 1: full of people while on camera? Now she's a great 897 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 1: actress and she's like slapping the table and he's like 898 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,120 Speaker 1: in awe because she actually looks like she's doing it, 899 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,799 Speaker 1: and it's like, no, this is right. We have a 900 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: lot of practice. That's that? Um, what's that called? Katsa's 901 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: Delicatessen in New York City that's where they shot that scene. 902 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,320 Speaker 1: Thank you for you know what, Chip, That just really 903 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: it makes me want some beef. All right, Okay, let's 904 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 1: go to listener emails. This comes from Sarah and she said, Hi, 905 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: I saved the shows to listen when I have a 906 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,920 Speaker 1: long drive. So this is two parts. One the one 907 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: about Chloe k This is an old one. We talked 908 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 1: about the body image stuff and she she went off 909 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,359 Speaker 1: remember on her Instagram about that picture she posted being 910 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,480 Speaker 1: not edited and there was this whole body shaming discussion, 911 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,120 Speaker 1: and she said, I love this whole discussion. One thing 912 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,920 Speaker 1: that stood out was Chip said plus size model. I 913 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 1: know this is standard language, but isn't that part of 914 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,400 Speaker 1: the issue. We don't say super skinny or super tall models. 915 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,480 Speaker 1: It's runway models are just model. I know that Chip 916 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 1: didn't mean anything negative, as the whole conversation was great, 917 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,399 Speaker 1: And how do we start losing the plus in front 918 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,160 Speaker 1: of things? That's a really interesting point, I thought, so too. Yeah, 919 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 1: I mean I think it's it's true in the same 920 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: way that like we don't need the word actor and actress. 921 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 1: They're both actors. Well something that you know you wouldn't 922 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,120 Speaker 1: be like a drys. It's a driver, a drs. You know, 923 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,759 Speaker 1: it's like it's a female actor is an actor. Yeah, 924 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,920 Speaker 1: so I do think, why isn't she just a model? 925 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 1: That is true, It doesn't necessarily have to matter what 926 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 1: size she is. Well, I mean, look, there are brands 927 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,840 Speaker 1: like Lane Bryant. They are they are built for those closer, 928 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,759 Speaker 1: designed for bigger women. So I don't know, like maybe 929 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,879 Speaker 1: it's just like, why do you need to descriptor though, 930 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 1: she's just a model? Yeah, yeah, I mean it's true. Actually, 931 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: this was an interesting point that children pointed out to me. 932 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: And I've found this so great that the younger generations 933 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:12,960 Speaker 1: were doing this because it was part of my program 934 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,560 Speaker 1: that I didn't even know. And this is like the 935 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,840 Speaker 1: white privilege kind of thing. But there was something I 936 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 1: said one time that I was like, oh, he's you know, 937 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,200 Speaker 1: he's that super nice black man. And my boyfriend's little 938 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,680 Speaker 1: girl was like, why did you have to say he 939 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 1: was black? And I was like, oh my god, because 940 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,160 Speaker 1: I was describing him as a certain way that I 941 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,839 Speaker 1: thought would give them because there wasn't very many black 942 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: people in this group. I hate to say that, but 943 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,480 Speaker 1: that was the truth. And so I was like oh, 944 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,800 Speaker 1: they'll know when I say that, But like, that is 945 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,759 Speaker 1: a weird I don't say that a white man that 946 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,400 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, that descriptor. I think. I mean you 947 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 1: and I grew up in your parents probably said my 948 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,560 Speaker 1: parents say, and it drives me crazy, Like, look, there 949 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 1: are definitely there are times when it is appropriate because 950 00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,839 Speaker 1: you have to distinguish like who it was. But my mom, 951 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 1: why isn't it more about like a characteristic of that 952 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,759 Speaker 1: person that's not like the wins? The last time you 953 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,759 Speaker 1: said is well, okay, I'll like, I don't say it 954 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,879 Speaker 1: about the crude example, but you're like, um, four guys 955 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,800 Speaker 1: just walked into the bar and you're like, oh, there's 956 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,400 Speaker 1: my friend from across the way. Like it is how 957 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,960 Speaker 1: you could be like, well, the black guys my friend. 958 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,319 Speaker 1: That's rather than being like the guy in the blue 959 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,800 Speaker 1: jeans and the cowboy boots, you know what I mean. Like, so, 960 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,440 Speaker 1: I think there are some moments where it's like I'm 961 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,960 Speaker 1: showing you exactly who it is. But my mom will 962 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: be like I was at the grocery shore today and 963 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,680 Speaker 1: this black woman in line, you know, and it has 964 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 1: literally nothing to do. It's just a woman in line, 965 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:39,880 Speaker 1: and I'm like, mom, why did you why do you 966 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,799 Speaker 1: have thought it was an interesting point though, because I'm 967 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,680 Speaker 1: my point. I had never thought about that, and I 968 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,720 Speaker 1: just was like, oh, that is such a valid point. 969 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,680 Speaker 1: Like I could have said, like you said the guy 970 00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,600 Speaker 1: in the cowboy boots with the blah blah blah, Like 971 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,360 Speaker 1: we don't need to point out skin color to clarify 972 00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 1: what we're talking about. So same thing with the plus 973 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,800 Speaker 1: size model of like it's like, okay, fine, yeah, just 974 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,879 Speaker 1: a model. Yeah. I think it's a really great point 975 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,880 Speaker 1: and I will take that to heart. So and some 976 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,600 Speaker 1: other points that Sarah made where Susan is wrong. I 977 00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,719 Speaker 1: love you for that. I love the shows and how 978 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 1: it's two friends talking. It's so much more relatable with 979 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:19,200 Speaker 1: Bert's checking emails and forgetting words. It's a real conversation. 980 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,520 Speaker 1: I love it. Three we need merch Well, you know what, 981 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,480 Speaker 1: we got some designs on inlaw. Those mock ups I'm 982 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 1: gonna have to go back to the drawing word on 983 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,960 Speaker 1: some of them. They're super boring and I want my 984 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,360 Speaker 1: people to be happy. There's a couple that I like. 985 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,360 Speaker 1: There's a couple, but on the whole there was like 986 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,400 Speaker 1: three that I was like, Nope, will not work. It 987 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,320 Speaker 1: was one of them, and that's like the one that 988 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, we're fucking nailing this. I think we 989 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,680 Speaker 1: just need like, yeah, that one needs something to be 990 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,480 Speaker 1: jazzed up, a little bit jazzed. Okay, I'll go to 991 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 1: one more email and then we gotta go because you 992 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,799 Speaker 1: gotta go. Uh. This just says this from Nikki. Her 993 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 1: email is dimples. I'm not going to read the rest, 994 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:05,959 Speaker 1: but like, I like that. Okay, you just made it sexual. Yeah. 995 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,400 Speaker 1: By the way, I do that sound a lot, and 996 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,480 Speaker 1: he gets Kelly, so that's why I did that. So 997 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,800 Speaker 1: he loves to fake it around me. Dear Kelly, I 998 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,080 Speaker 1: love listening to you and chip, I laugh, I cry, 999 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: I feel human again. I might just have to start 1000 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,120 Speaker 1: pouring a glass of tequila while listen and call it. 1001 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,920 Speaker 1: Do it girl. Dating post COVID hasn't changed, but it 1002 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,640 Speaker 1: probably should. At least in Nashville, it's worse. Plenty of 1003 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 1: guys are moving here, traveling here, but moving here and 1004 00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,600 Speaker 1: traveling here. But a lot of my friends noticed that 1005 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,880 Speaker 1: they need to go out, and so this kind of 1006 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,000 Speaker 1: speaks to my update this week. So they're wild oats 1007 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,400 Speaker 1: per se and chase down a few bachelor at parties 1008 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,480 Speaker 1: before they can commit. I went on a few dates 1009 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,440 Speaker 1: via dating apps when there were things were starting to 1010 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,520 Speaker 1: open up last summer, and I could not believe how 1011 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,040 Speaker 1: many guys were complaining about the fact that they didn't 1012 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,120 Speaker 1: get to go down and party on Broadway because of 1013 00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,560 Speaker 1: the shutdown. Really, I definitely have a timeline, So I 1014 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,200 Speaker 1: threw in the towel and I want to such of 1015 00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,080 Speaker 1: a date just because I wanted to see what was 1016 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,440 Speaker 1: out there. I swear every time I opened up those 1017 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,240 Speaker 1: darned dating apps, it turns into a marathon for about 1018 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,319 Speaker 1: a month and a half and then I'm decided, I'm 1019 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,360 Speaker 1: exhausted and stay home with my Netflix and hibernation. The 1020 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,520 Speaker 1: poor girl at CBS LA summer was like, what does 1021 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,680 Speaker 1: this chick do that she is getting COVID tested all 1022 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,839 Speaker 1: the time dating? That's what this is so interesting though, 1023 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,960 Speaker 1: And this is like such a different pressure that women 1024 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,080 Speaker 1: and men feel, but it kind of ties into what 1025 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,879 Speaker 1: my update was this week. The timeline thing. Of course, 1026 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,759 Speaker 1: we've talked about that a bunch or I've talked about 1027 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,840 Speaker 1: that a bunch on this podcast. The pressure that women 1028 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,200 Speaker 1: have and if you want to build a family or 1029 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,760 Speaker 1: you want to have a kid, your timeline is very different. 1030 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,240 Speaker 1: So I think we are forced to mature a lot quicker. 1031 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,960 Speaker 1: And I will say she is not wrong about Nashville. 1032 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,359 Speaker 1: There is people used to say to me, like it's 1033 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,760 Speaker 1: starting to feel like a small l a And unfortunately, 1034 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,920 Speaker 1: I think that is very prevalent amongst the dating scene 1035 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,000 Speaker 1: of like these guys kind of like what I was 1036 00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,120 Speaker 1: saying yesterday, they're like, why would I settle down now? 1037 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,879 Speaker 1: Like look at all these hotties. Yeah, there's people moving 1038 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 1: here constantly, and there's all these hot girls, and I 1039 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,080 Speaker 1: don't know why there's not as many hot guys, but 1040 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,080 Speaker 1: they're just just not like sorry dudes, but it's not 1041 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,440 Speaker 1: like I wish I could find one. And yeah, like 1042 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,920 Speaker 1: literally the options for us are not that great. And 1043 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:24,919 Speaker 1: so it's so interesting because it fully like ties into 1044 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,880 Speaker 1: this whole point of like women have to grow up. 1045 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,560 Speaker 1: Men just get to like go out and quote unquote, 1046 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,480 Speaker 1: so they're wild. It's which of course, you don't want 1047 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:33,960 Speaker 1: to be with a guy who wants to do that anyway, 1048 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,319 Speaker 1: but like, why are you still so immature in your 1049 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,960 Speaker 1: thirties and in your forties and like when are you 1050 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,719 Speaker 1: going to grow up? If ever? But at the same time, 1051 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,080 Speaker 1: give me the devil's advocate. That's what you want to do, 1052 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,600 Speaker 1: then fucking do it. I agree, But you shouldn't. You 1053 00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,759 Speaker 1: shouldn't be leading other people on to think that you 1054 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,839 Speaker 1: are looking to settle down. You need to be up 1055 00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,759 Speaker 1: front and be like, hey, I'm just looking to have 1056 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,880 Speaker 1: some fucking fun if you can. If you want to 1057 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,120 Speaker 1: sign up for that, let's do it. And I also 1058 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,680 Speaker 1: might be having fun with other people, and look, there's 1059 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,399 Speaker 1: there's you want to do it. Yeah, so but I'm 1060 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,880 Speaker 1: all for people do it like you, be you, but 1061 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,040 Speaker 1: be honest about what you is. I agree with that. 1062 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,680 Speaker 1: I think unfortunately a lot of girls are like okay 1063 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:22,919 Speaker 1: because they've been told that you need to settle down 1064 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,480 Speaker 1: and be a wife and have kids. Like a lot 1065 00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,520 Speaker 1: of that is society thrusting upon him. And but you know, 1066 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,840 Speaker 1: I mean also because a girl who sucks a lot 1067 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,080 Speaker 1: of people is called a slut, and a guy who 1068 00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 1: does that is called like a you know, it's like, 1069 00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,560 Speaker 1: it's just what guys do. It's just what guys. That's 1070 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:44,600 Speaker 1: what I hate a lot. I mean, yeah, look, as 1071 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,640 Speaker 1: long as she respects herself. Yeah, she's doing it because 1072 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,000 Speaker 1: it's a choice. You know. I go for it, girl, 1073 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,040 Speaker 1: But have respect for yourself. What if she sucks a 1074 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,240 Speaker 1: lot in a relationship, how do you love that she better? 1075 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:10,720 Speaker 1: Then she's in a healthy relationship. Okay, well that's about us. Yeah. 1076 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,160 Speaker 1: I just needed to know you respect me. That's all right. 1077 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,560 Speaker 1: Well now that you got me wine drunk, and now 1078 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:25,839 Speaker 1: I can take proper advantage of that. Was quick, A little, 1079 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,520 Speaker 1: little little, I know. I didn't even last one minute. Man, 1080 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:33,600 Speaker 1: she's that good. Still in my pants. I didn't even 1081 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:38,560 Speaker 1: actually touch him. Just look at you, guys. We're going 1082 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,920 Speaker 1: to just keep living somewhere on the edge. And I 1083 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,960 Speaker 1: hope that as you get into your weekend that you 1084 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:49,360 Speaker 1: always remember to act casual. Exactly closest I've ever gotten 1085 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,759 Speaker 1: on one tart. It was actually really professional, was it. Yeah? 1086 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,920 Speaker 1: You sound like a radio and so good at faking 1087 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,440 Speaker 1: it your all weekend like