1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: This podcast is presented by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals and your one stop shop for 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: optimizing all your office technology. Visit Pacific Office dot com. 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it put? Is it pot Oah? My goodness, 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: it's put. DeAndre Hopkins, he put it for dockdown. You've 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: got to be joking me. Welcome to Cardinals Underground, presented 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: by the Pacific Office Automation. Visit Pacific Office dot Com. 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: Problem solved, up down Tyler Murray, That defender is in 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: multiple pieces. All that was nasty. Writer rights, the latest 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: news and notes from the guys who cover the teams. 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on, 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slam the ground by foota baker like 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: of nobody. Here's Paul CALVICI well, Kyle. Unfortunately Paul Calveci 15 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: is not with us to day. It's just today. You know. 16 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to make it sound any to anybody 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: out there, and he will never be joining us ever again. 18 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: Here on Cardinals Underground, presented by Pacific Office Automation Proup 19 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. Kyle or Guard is with me. 20 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: I'm Darren Urban and as we are here in the 21 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: dead of the summer, the Sun's making their push towards 22 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: a potential championship. Larry Fitzgerald, Sun's minority owner as we 23 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: refer to him these days. As Jim Mjundro was noting 24 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: before we got on the air, it's Aaron Rodgers, minority 25 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: owner of the Bucks against Larry Fitzgerald, minority owner of 26 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: the Suns. All this talk about Larry Fitzgerald's football future, 27 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: and it turns out that we've changed the narrative and 28 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: now it's all about Larry Fitzgerald and his basketball team. 29 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: But props to him. No matter where he goes, success 30 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: seems to follow, and I do think it's all because 31 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: of him. While they're in the finals, Well, there's no 32 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: question that I'm not going to let Paul cal vc 33 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: or no calvs Uh. I'm not going to let us 34 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: get away from the end of this podcast without going 35 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: back to fens. But that's later. You have your own theories, Well, 36 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if I have my own theories, but 37 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: we'll make them A topic later. I so Kyle doesn't 38 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: know what's coming here, and I certainly didn't want to 39 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: blindside him. But so, Kyle, I am. I am a 40 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: fan of of the comic book movie type genre. I'm 41 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 1: guessing you are not. No, I didn't think so. No, 42 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: it's definitely not a quiz. But uh, I did kind 43 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: of lift an idea. So Disney Plus, which has all 44 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: the Marvel stuff, they have a bunch of Marvel TV 45 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: shows and one of the upcoming series it's going to 46 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: be animated. But one of the upcoming series is going 47 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: to be called what If, And they basically are going 48 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: to do a series of animation cartoons of what you know? What? 49 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: You know? What if this person was Captain America instead 50 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: of Steve Rogers, that kind of thing. So I thought 51 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: the what if concept would work very well here on 52 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground today. So I have a series of things 53 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: that we can touch on here as we as we 54 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: peruse the July dead time of Cardinals offseason. What if 55 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: Santonio Holmes actually gotten down? See I'm not going there. 56 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: You know it's funny. I was. I was trying to 57 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: use my two sons to try and help me with 58 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: some of these and that was like one of the 59 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: first ones that was thrown out there. And I'm not 60 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: ripping at that scab and I'm not doing that stuff. 61 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: And I'm and I try some of these are may 62 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: end up being kind of obvious. I tried to focus 63 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: in on the season that's coming and uh, and I 64 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: tried not to make it too obvious. I'm not going 65 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: to sit here and say, you know what if jj 66 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: Watt has twenty and a half sacks, because we know 67 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: what's going to happen if jj Watt has twenty a 68 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: half sacks. So I mean, some of them might be 69 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: a little more and more obvious than others, but hopefully 70 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: it will spur some interesting and intelligent conversation, Kyle. So 71 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: we go for here and clearly without having Paul, you know, 72 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: more intelligent, more in possible. So we're gonna start with 73 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: number one. So this is gonna be kind of an 74 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: easy one. We're we're gonna ease into this one. What 75 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: if Kyler Murray becomes a consistent passer on the intermediate 76 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: level this season, Yeah, I mean I think that's that's 77 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: the key to this offense and this season. If he 78 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: does that, that means that overall, he's going to be 79 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: an efficient passer. I mean, I think we can extrapolate 80 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: that out. If you're getting doing well in the intermediate game. 81 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: We know he's got the deep ball, we know he 82 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: can throw screen passes and runs, so totally if if 83 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: the intermediate game clicks, I feel like this team is 84 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: definitely a playoff team. Well, I just want to state 85 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: for the record that if we don't extrapolate this stuff out, 86 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: it's going to be a very short podcast. So let's extrapolate. 87 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: But I think we've talked about this before, Kyle. I mean, 88 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: I think Kyler Murray has done a lot of things 89 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: in his two years in the NFL that have been 90 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: very impressive and give you a lot of reason to 91 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: think that this guy can be your long term answer 92 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: at quarterback and probably will be your long term answer 93 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: a quarterback. But I think as we go forward, and 94 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: you don't always want to weave the football part of 95 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: it with the money part of it, but I do 96 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: believe like you're going to need some steps forward from 97 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. And this is a great example that intermediate 98 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: passing game on a consistent level, because once he starts 99 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: making the next contract, money once you don't have him 100 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: on that rookie deal anymore, once you start losing a 101 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: little bit off of what you can do to the 102 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: rest of the roster, he's going to have to take 103 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: his game to that next level, like you see all 104 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: these other quarterbacks being able to do that. And one 105 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: of the reasons it's so important is because you are 106 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: going to lose some skill spots or some talent at 107 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: other positions and you're gonna have to make up for it. 108 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: And the idea is is that your quarterback is going 109 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: to be next level to be able to pull that off. Yeah. 110 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: I think a great example of that is Russell Wilson 111 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: when they were so good when Russell Wilson was on 112 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: his rookie deal, they won a super Bowl. They would 113 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: have won. They almost want a second one with him 114 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: there if not for Malcolm Butler. So the question was, 115 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: can Russell Wilson do it when this defense loses guys 116 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: because of the cap and Richard Sherman left and Earl 117 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: Thomas left and Cam Chancellor got hurt and retired, and 118 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson showed that I'm not just part of this system, 119 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm not just inflated because We've got Marshawn Lynch in 120 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: a great defense, and yeah, Kyler Murray eventually is gonna 121 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: be at that point. And I think he's similar to 122 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: Russell where they both had this extremely high floor because 123 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: they're mobile and because they can make a lot of 124 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: throws with their arm. Russell showed he can reach MVP 125 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: level and make this team competitive even with some shortcomings. 126 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: Their offensive line in Seattle has been really bad for 127 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: three or four years, and it doesn't matter. So I 128 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: totally agree where Kyler Murray is gonna have to get 129 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: to that point this season. It's gravy like. I think 130 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: they're gonna be good even if they don't have the 131 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: intermediate game. But if they get it, then you talk 132 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: about the ceiling being raised really high. I ultimately, you 133 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: know that's where you need your your stud quarterback to go. Anyways, 134 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: I mean now and then if you forget about the 135 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: contract for a minute, I mean, if you really think 136 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: that this guy's your long term answer, these are the 137 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: steps that have to be made too. I mean, and 138 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: I think ultimately, and you've always been on the Kyler bandwagon, 139 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: and I see you roll your eyes sometimes when there's 140 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: some criticism to Kyler's to Kyler's game, and I understand that, 141 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: and I just think that ultimately that's what those great 142 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: quarterbacks end up doing. Yeah. Yeah, I think he's a 143 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: franchise guy even if he doesn't become above average in 144 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: the intermediate game, because I think he's got so many 145 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: different facets to what he does. But that's if we're 146 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: talking about absolute ceiling becoming a top five quarterback in 147 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: the NFL. In the MVP conversation, that's what I think 148 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: he has to do is throw the ball efficiently in 149 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: their intermediate level. But even without that, right now, I 150 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: still think he's arguably a top ten quarterback without it. 151 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: So that just shows how good he can be. Okay, 152 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: number two, here is another softball. You know, I know, 153 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, you came off a few days of vacation. 154 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to. You know. 155 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: Strange thing, there are wrong answers down the road. No, 156 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: there are that that's I try to make this so 157 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: there's no wrong end. What this is supposed to do 158 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: is generate conversation in this Dead of the Summer podcast, 159 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: because you know, we've got a couple of big overall 160 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: like overarching offense Defense podcast coming up, and I don't 161 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: want to be in a position where we're talking about 162 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: the same stuff every week. So even though we're kind 163 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: of talking about the same stuff every week, I hope 164 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: you're still listening out there. Everybody. Thank you, Thank you 165 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: for listening. What if Chandler Jones returns to twenty nineteen four, Yeah, 166 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the defense without him last year was 167 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: above average, and then if you add him, not only 168 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: does that mean Chandler Jones is getting a bunch of sacks, 169 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: but it means he's playing every game, he's taking load 170 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: off of other people. If Chandler Jones has that type 171 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: of season, that means other guys he's getting double teamed. 172 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: If he's doing that, which means other guys are getting 173 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: more opportunities. So yeah, if he does that, they're they're 174 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: in great shape. Obviously, and that season was so good 175 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: that I don't think Chandler Jones is going to replicate 176 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: that again in his career. So that's very much pie 177 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: in the sky thinking. But if they get there, it's 178 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: going to elevate the entire defense. All right, twenty seventeen 179 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: form whatever, I will say this and see, this is 180 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: why the what if kind of thing. It's so awesome here, Kyle, 181 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: because it can go in so many different directions. Because 182 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: when I wrote that question, it wasn't just about what 183 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: it might mean for the defense. I was thinking, what 184 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: does it mean for his contract, because obviously he's going 185 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: in the last year of his contract. If he returns 186 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: to that form, yeah, I mean fingers crossed Steve Kim 187 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: gets a deal done ahead of time, because if if 188 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: you're waiting till after the season, that could get pricey. 189 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean if if he does that, unless 190 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: it's backloaded and he gets all twenty sacks or whatever 191 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: he got in the last eight games, maybe they signed him. 192 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: But if he does any of that early, you know 193 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: he's not signing extension. And he was tagged once already 194 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: with the franchise tag, so I think if he gets 195 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: tagged again to good point, it's super high. I forgot 196 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: one year deal, so he's if he has a good 197 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: year despite his age, he's in a good spot because 198 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: edge rushers that can get to the passer get paid 199 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: even at that age. I think it's it's really interesting. 200 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: ESPN does an annual rating where they talked to a 201 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: bunch of anonymous scouts and coaches and gms about where 202 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: players stand and then they do each position, and coming 203 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: off twenty nineteen, going into twenty twenty, Chandler Jones was 204 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: the second considered the second best edge rusher in the NFL. 205 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: They just had their most recent one. I mean, he 206 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: played what four four games in a quarter, he had 207 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: one sack, and he's still rated as the fifth best 208 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: edge rusher in the league by these people. And there 209 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: was even one quote from an AFC defensive coordinator saying 210 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: they still thought Chandler Jones the injury was not going 211 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: to really impact how good he was. And ultimately, I 212 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: think it's impressive that that many people still think that 213 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: much of Chandler Jones and it just shows you what 214 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: he has put on film over his career. Yeah, and 215 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: I think it's it's almost like Pro Bowls where your 216 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 1: track record is taken into account majorly and that helps him. 217 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: And now it's it is a matter of at this age, 218 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: coming off this injury, can he duplicate it? And obviously 219 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: if he does, he's shown he's a top five pass rusher, 220 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: no problem. You're just getting to the age now where 221 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: every year people are gonna wonder, is this a year 222 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: where you start to slip? We saw it with Patrick Peterson, 223 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: and obviously he moved on to a different team, and 224 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: now Minnesota thinks he's gonna rebound. Chandler didn't have that 225 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: slippage in his play because it was only a four 226 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: and a half game sample size, but those questions are 227 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: going to come up. They do to every single person 228 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: in their thirties, and so I think it's an important 229 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: year for Chandler Jones. Like we said, I don't think 230 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: he's going to get back to defensive Player of the 231 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: Year type caliber player, but if he can be a 232 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: twelve SAT guy, that's really important. It is important because 233 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: ultimately I have those same questions about Kyle Odergarden his 234 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: thirties and if he's lost any of his fastball there. 235 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: I decided not to peek earlier on. So I'm just 236 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: riding a good wave. I'm like Fits where you know, well, 237 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: I guess Fits peaked early, But I'm just trying to 238 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: have this nice mid thirties run and then I'll move 239 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: to tight end. And I don't mean to make this 240 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: about me, because I shouldn't. First of all, I can 241 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: barely remember my thirties. But I was a little bitter 242 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: the other day and some Twitter back and forth about 243 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: this infamous tattoo. But Fits at one point said that 244 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: he was always on my side because we share the 245 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: same birthday twenty years apart, and it hurt me bad 246 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: because we are most certainly not twenty years. If you 247 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: round it up quite a bit, they ride it up 248 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: quite a bit. In fact, you're not supposed to be 249 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: riding up thirteen does not un Yeah, I was very 250 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: bitter about that, Kyle. What would it be without Larry 251 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald needling somebody. It used to be in the locker room. 252 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: Now it's on Twitter. At a good point, all right, 253 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: we'll move on to the next one. I like this 254 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: one a lot. Actually, what if every team stays healthy 255 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: in the NFC, west Man, I mean, obviously that would 256 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: be a battle royale, and it's certainly not going to happen. 257 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, somebody's gonna lose their quarterback or 258 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: a key player. But yeah, I mean it's it's gonna 259 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: be interesting. It's I'm trying to think of how I 260 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: would do the pecking order. And you can make an 261 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: argument for so many of these teams, like I still 262 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: like the forty nine ers a bunch. It's just that 263 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: big quarterback question. I was gonna say, who's quarterbacking that 264 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: forty nine team? You like a bunch, and the guy 265 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: that brought them to the super Bowl, he didn't bring them, 266 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: but he was their quarterback that they made it. But 267 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: but here here's a quick question on that. And I 268 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: don't want to derail the greater overarching thing, but when 269 00:13:58,320 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: when it comes to the forty nine Ers, I'm like, 270 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: you're right, he did lead them to the super Bowl. 271 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: But he went through that whole season and it wasn't 272 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: until the playoffs where things seemed to change a little 273 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: bit in terms of how people were viewing him number 274 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: one and number two. That was a long time ago, 275 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: and it was before they spent a third overall pick 276 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: on his replacement. It was before he knew they were 277 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: basically trying to run him out of town at some point. 278 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: Doesn't that impact him? Yeah? And I think Jimmy g 279 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: is squarely a below average quarterback. So I don't think 280 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: they made the super Bowl because he's not listening to 281 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: this podcast. I mean, they beat the Packers in that 282 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: playoff game, and they threw it like five times or something. 283 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: They ran the Bowl seven yards eight yards to carry, 284 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: so he didn't lift them there. I'm just saying that 285 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: their roster is so good that they made the Super 286 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: Bowl despite below average quarterback play. And I still think 287 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: that roster is close to what it was. But the 288 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: quarterback is such a wild card. And if Trey Lance 289 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: comes in and is a good player immediately and he 290 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: can give them an upgrade, that's a really scary team. 291 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: And I think Kyle Shanahan's offense is super quarterback friendly, 292 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: where Jimmy g puts up decent numbers in that offense, 293 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: and I think it's similar to Sean McVay. His offense 294 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: is very quarterback friendly too. So I'm always nervous about 295 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: those two teams and those two coaches. I think they're 296 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: really really smart coaches, and they got good rosters. If 297 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: the Rams stay healthy, that's gonna be a really good 298 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: team too. It's it's hard. It's like all those teams 299 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: you like quite a bit based on their rosters. That 300 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: means the Cardinals are healthy too, though, right Yeah, I mean, 301 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: and there's some guys that you're wondering if they're going 302 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: to stay healthy and all of a sudden they're healthy. Yeah. No, 303 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: it's a good point. JJ Watt staying healthy, Chandler Jones 304 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: staying healthy, that means you've got Kyler all sixteen games, 305 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: seventeen seventeen games. Yeah. I don't want to say, like, 306 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: I don't think you can project the Cardinals to win 307 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: the division if everyone stays healthy because of what the 308 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: other teams have shown the last couple of years. But 309 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: I don't think you can count them out. I don't 310 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: think you can go into a season saying if the 311 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: Cardinals get a full season of JJ Watt and Kyler 312 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: Murray and Chandler Jones and d Hop then they can 313 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: win these games. I mean, so many of them are 314 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: gonna come down to the last five minutes. If you 315 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: get a little bit of close game luck, sure the 316 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: Cardinals call win the division. Bottom line is, ultimately, you're right, 317 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: there's gonna be teams that are gonna get banged up 318 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: because it's football number one. And maybe it's just all 319 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: the aftershock of all this national garbage of especially Lakers fans, 320 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: it seems like, but the people complaining of the Suns 321 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: making it to where they're making it, like, I who 322 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: gives a flying fig. I mean, I don't who would 323 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: care about that if you're a team that has a 324 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: chance to win, and you know everybody, you know, everybody 325 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: starts the same. If you get guys hurt, oh well 326 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: you're you're you know. I don't see the Lakers fans 327 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: all getting sad if somebody else gets hurt if they 328 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: play somebody. Yeah, like you said, it's like that every 329 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: single year. And usually the two teams that make the 330 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: finals have good, good injury luck, and the I mean 331 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: the Suns are on the other side of it for 332 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: so many years, whether it be the Amari injury or 333 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: suspensions to Amri or the Joe Johnson injury. So it's 334 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: not like they didn't have their fair share of injuries 335 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: back in the day. And even in this playoff run, 336 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: Chris Paul getting hurt, Devin Bucker breaking his nose, I mean, 337 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: they COVID for Chris Paul. They've had plenty of adversity too. 338 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: But you know, going back to football, yeah, I mean 339 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: we look at it just last year and the Niners 340 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: were the team that everybody thought was going to win 341 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: the NFC West because of what they did, and they 342 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: were just hammered by it, So you just have to hope, 343 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: especially Kyler Murray staying healthy for all seventeen games. If 344 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: you lose some of the other stars for two or three, 345 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: it's not good, but you can get past it. But 346 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray obviously has to stay healthy. What if, and 347 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: we kind of got a sneak preview if you paid 348 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: attention to flight Plan, the most recent flight Plan episode, 349 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: what if Christian Kirk is the full time slot receiver? Yeah, 350 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: I mean I think that's that's good sense, right, Yeah, 351 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: And Cliff Kingsbury basically said as much in flight Plan. 352 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: He brought him over and said, do you like the 353 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: inside and Christian Kirk said yeah, so we can use 354 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: the outside if we need you. But it's clear when 355 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: they signed AJ Green and Steve Kime said, we're playing 356 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: him outside. Okay, let's let's do the math here. You 357 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: have two outside guys in d Hop in AJ Green. 358 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: So Christian Kirk will be in the slot and that's 359 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: where he played a lot at Texas A and M. 360 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: He's done it some in the NFL, but with this height, 361 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: I think it makes sense. With his route running ability, 362 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: I think I think it's going to be his best position. 363 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: Whether that means he's going to put up his best 364 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,479 Speaker 1: numbers of his career, I'm not sure, because the target 365 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: share could be lower this year now that you have 366 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: aj Green and Rondale Moore and you still have d 367 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: Hop and you have Chase Edmonds catching the ball out 368 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: of the backfield. But I think if he's the most 369 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: efficient in his career in the slot in this season, 370 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: that opens up a lot for the passing game, which 371 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: we saw last year. D Hop was the one consistent producer. 372 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: Christian Kirk was very up and down. There were some 373 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: games he was that clear number two, but they didn't 374 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: have it overall. So even if he's not your clear 375 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: number two, if he's a reliable threat in the slot, 376 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: I think that opens up the passing game. And like 377 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: we said with the first question, then maybe you can 378 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: make strides to be above average in the intermediate passing game. 379 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: I am curious to kind of see where Rondale Moore 380 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: fits into this, and if Andy Isabella fits into this 381 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: at all. I mean, I'm guessing he's got a long shot, 382 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: but guys get hurt. You never know what's going to happen. 383 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: The more thing is a very that just kind of 384 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 1: jumps out at me. I feel like on a lesser 385 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of like Zaven Collins on a lesser level. 386 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: They came right out and said Zaven Collins is going 387 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: to be starting, and that's all there is to it. 388 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: And I don't feel like there's been a lot of 389 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: attention put to it, but I really feel like the 390 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: vibe is that we are absolutely going to use Rondale 391 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: Moore in this offense, dang it, because we drafted him 392 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: in the second round and it's going to happen. Yeah. 393 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: And I think in a more traditional offense he wouldn't 394 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,479 Speaker 1: play much as a rookie, but Cliff Kingsbury is more 395 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: than happy to go four wide if he's got four 396 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: wide receivers that are that should be on the field, 397 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: and I have a feeling Rondel Moore will show that 398 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: in camp. I think he's going to be your most 399 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,959 Speaker 1: explosive short area weapon, and I think the Cardinals are 400 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: in dire need of that. So I think he fills 401 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: a very specific need on this offense. And maybe he's 402 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: not out there seventy percent of the time, but even 403 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: if it's thirty or forty percent of the time, he 404 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: could still get six to eight touches because they want 405 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: to dial things up specifically for him. What if, I 406 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: can I can just see the tension in your face 407 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: as you wait for the next question. What if Robert 408 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: Alford is healthy going into the regular season, Going into 409 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: the regular season. Yes, I'm expecting that. I mean why 410 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: why because no offense to Robert? But like the last 411 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: two times we've waited for that, that didn't happen. So 412 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: I felt like that was a fair question to bring up. Yeah, 413 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I think the expecting it too, 414 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: but the past results don't what is it don't indicate 415 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: prior future performance whatever. I think the momentum says he's 416 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: gonna Yeah, I mean I think I think he'll be 417 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: healthy to start, and like we've talked about, I don't 418 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: think it was necessarily these injuries like a hamstring that 419 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: are going to keep on going. So I expect him 420 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: to be healthy to start. It's just a matter of 421 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: will he stay healthy all season and will he be 422 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: able to play like he did when he was twenty 423 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: seven twenty eight years old. Because you do have competition. 424 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: We've talked about it in past podcasts. Buyer Murphy can 425 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: go outside or if they like one of the rookies, 426 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: if if they want to get Darques Denard on the field. 427 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: There's a lot of different combinations they can do at corner. 428 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: So I think Robert Alford is definitely gonna get the 429 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: first shot at it, but if he's got to stay 430 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: healthy and he's got to produce, because there are a 431 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,959 Speaker 1: decent amount of options behind him, and they paid him 432 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: a lot of money to sign, and Steve Kim obviously 433 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: really liked him. We just never saw if he could 434 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: live up to that contract because people were wondering if 435 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: he should have gotten that contract three years ago, and 436 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: we never knew because he never actually got on the 437 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,239 Speaker 1: field for a game. So I think he saw us 438 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,239 Speaker 1: to prove from a performance standpoint too, that he can 439 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: beat out these other guys. He did look really good 440 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: and the well, last year's training camp was over before 441 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: relieving that started, but the first training camp he looked 442 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: really good and it looked like he was going to 443 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: absolutely be that guy. So I mean, he had it 444 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: in him then, and I know he's super motivated at 445 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: this point. It's just it's going to be interesting because 446 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: I think the health has a lot to do with 447 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, We're gonna have a series of articles coming 448 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: out about each position and talking about who are locks 449 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: for this team and who are have work to do. 450 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: And I was doing the cornerbacks, and I don't have 451 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: Robert Alfred as a lock, even though I feel like 452 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: if he stays healthy, he is a lock, if that 453 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: makes any sense, I feel like it's not fair for 454 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: me to say he's a lock at this point because 455 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: of what he's gone through the last couple of years. Yeah, yeah, 456 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're right if if he stays healthy, 457 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: I would be shocked if he just didn't have a 458 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: performance to simply make the team. If he has a 459 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: nagging injury, do they just pull the plug and say, hey, 460 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: he's just two injury prone. But I think with the 461 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: lack of depth on the outside, I'd be pretty surprised 462 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: if he isn't on this team, even if he is 463 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: dealing with something small. I think you keep him because 464 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: his upside is greater than most of your outside cornerbacks 465 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: for this season. So I'm pretty sure he'll be on 466 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: the team. But as far as playing or not, I 467 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: think that's still to be determined. So you're saying I 468 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: need to change my article. Is that what you're saying 469 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: your bylines on it? I know my bylines on it, 470 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: but I want to make sure I'm right here. I mean, 471 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: I can't tell the future. Well, you can't tell the future, 472 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: but we are kind of playing the what if game, 473 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,719 Speaker 1: trying to predict the future a little bit. Maybe. All right, 474 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: I'll say lock here on Cardinals Underground presented by Pacific 475 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: Office Automation, proud partner of your Arizona Cardinals, and we 476 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: perceive we're have you only have two locks and calcol Butler. Oh, Marco. Yeah, 477 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: I've got Marco because he's a fourth round pick. That 478 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: makes sense, right, Yeah, although you'd have Offord, wouldn't you. 479 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: I'd probably put Alford over Marco. We'll see what Darren 480 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: puts on that here in a couple and I think 481 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: we got it a little while ago. That might be 482 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks from now. We'll see what happens, 483 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: all right. Next one on the what if list, what 484 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: if James Connor has more rushing yards than Chase Edmonds. 485 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: I don't think that'll tell us anything about the season, 486 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: because I think it could very well happen. And if 487 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: that means that he became your feature back then that 488 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: can completely change, like Paul talks about all the time, 489 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: the style of your offense. But it could also mean 490 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: that James Connor got thirteen more rushing yards than Chase 491 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: Edmonds and Chase Edmonds had eight hundred yards receiving. So 492 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: I don't think that's why it's such a great question. Yeah, 493 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think we'll be able. Like if 494 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: you told me James Connor out rushed Chase Edmonds this season, 495 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: I don't think that I would. I wouldn't change any 496 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: type of projection based off that because I don't think 497 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: it is very predictive at all. And I mean if 498 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: if James Connor takes the starting role from Chase Edmonds 499 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: and they changed their offense, than that significant. But that 500 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: what if in itself I just punt that one. I 501 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: don't think it means, oh, you just punt that one. 502 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: The reason I did it was because there's so many 503 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: different things we can talk about it. That's what I mean. Like, 504 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: it's hard to know what it would mean because there's 505 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of different directions you could go with. 506 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: Why how did you get to this result? It's funny 507 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: because one of the reasons I brought it up was 508 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: because I think somebody threw it a Twitter question maybe, 509 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: or somewhere somebody threw a question at me that basically said, 510 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: is Chase Edmunds really going to be RB one? Because 511 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: that makes no sense and there should be there should 512 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: be more more of this being talked about, and Connor 513 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: probably will out rush him. Right, Why would you think that? 514 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: We don't know how much Connor's gonna get the ball. 515 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: I think he'll get more carries you do than Chase. 516 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: I think it'll be close, but I think he'll get 517 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: a few more. So I came up with a really 518 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: good like fifteen a game to twelve. I guess it's possible. 519 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you're right. I mean if we're 520 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: talking about total yards and he's got more total yards, 521 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: and that's a problem, I would think, given what Chase 522 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: Edmonds can do in the receiving game. But even even then, 523 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: I mean, if Rondale Moore becomes a whole thing, I 524 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: don't know how much they're gonna throw to the running 525 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: backs either. No, I think they will. I think I 526 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: think Chase Edmonds showed how good he is catching the 527 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: ball that I think he'll be pretty significant part of 528 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: the passing game again, which, like we've talked about a 529 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: few times, going back to Chase early on in his 530 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: career to now, the fact that he's a featured receiver 531 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: at running back is a testament to him. But I think, 532 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: going back to the essence of the question, I don't 533 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: think James Connor is going to play a bigger role 534 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: in this offense than Chase Edmonds. I have a pretty 535 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: strident belief that Chase Edmonds is going to be your 536 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: featured back, whether that means rushing for more yards or not. 537 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna definitely be on the field more 538 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: than James Connor, get more touches than James Connor, it 539 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: just depends how it's distributed. I would agree with that. 540 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: And that's again why I kind of wrote the question 541 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: the way it did, because I do think Chase Edmonds 542 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: gets more touches, and I do think he'll have more 543 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: total yards, and but I you know, that doesn't necessarily 544 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: mean anything quite frankly, the way the league is anymore. 545 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 1: I mean, splitting it up, that's yeah, and Chase it yeah, yeah, absolutely, 546 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: So what if the Cardinals start five and two again, 547 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: trying to remember the games Tennessee, Tennessee Vikings, Jacksonville, forty 548 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: nine Ers. I want to say it leads all the 549 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: way up until the Packers Thursday night game. Um, we 550 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: don't know who the two would be or who the 551 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: five would be. Yeah, I mean, if you start five 552 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: and two consistently, that's obviously gonna pour tend very good 553 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: things for a season, despite what happened last year. I mean, 554 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: I think if they start five and two, it's gonna 555 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: mean that they turn the corner and Kyler murrit gohad Okay, 556 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: I don't mean to cut you off, Kyle, but here 557 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: but here it is. It's at Titans home against Vikings, 558 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: at Jaguars at Rams home against forty nine ers, at 559 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: Brown's home against Texans. Yeah, I mean, I think you 560 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: can pencil in pencil wins over Jacksonville and Houston. So 561 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: that's two right there. So it's I don't know, I've 562 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: hearing all these things about Jacksonville. They're gonna surprise everybody, 563 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: and Cardinals are going cross country and I'm gonna play 564 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: in that humanity. But but I mean, regardless, I'm not 565 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: going to talk about the Titans. Paul's not here so, right, 566 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: But even if you go three and two in those 567 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: other games, you're still winning some significant matchups. And I 568 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: do think if they start five and two that that 569 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: would mean something. And even though the outcry would be 570 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,719 Speaker 1: they're gonna slip again, They're gonna slip again, it's it 571 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: doesn't mean I mean, it's it's oviously a very good 572 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: sign if they start that well, and certainly they would 573 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: be most likely in the playoffs. Most likely competing for 574 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: the division probably means either the defense is dominant or 575 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray has taken that next step. So yeah, if 576 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: they start five and two, a lot of very good 577 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: things are happening. Well. I mean, if they're five and two, 578 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: I mean four of those opponents alone home against forty 579 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: nine Ers, at Titans, at Rams, at Browns, you're winning 580 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: at least two of those. That's pretty significant, right. Yeah. 581 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: I think the level of competition early is up there 582 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: where last year it was backloaded. And it's funny that 583 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: I remember the schedule came out last year and we 584 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: kept on talking about this schedule is backloaded. They need 585 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: to take care of business early, and they did, and 586 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: then the narrative after the season is they fell apart 587 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: down the stretch instead of just saying the opponents got tougher, 588 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: like we were talking about with the schedule at the beginning. 589 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: So it also depends on who you're playing. So this 590 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: year there's a significant amount of good teams earlier on 591 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: as well as later. But I think it'll be a 592 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: good indication if they start five and two. The problem 593 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: is that they played the Rams and they played the 594 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: forty nine ers at the very end, and those were 595 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: shells of what the teams that you expected teams they 596 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: probably should have been. That's a good point. Yeah. I 597 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: try and make good points once in a while here 598 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: on Cardinals Underground. So we move on to the next one. 599 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: What if Zaven Collins is slow to adjust to the 600 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: NFL game, as Isaiah Simmons was, Yeah, I think that's 601 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: a good question. That's a legitimate possibility. You want a 602 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 1: guy to come in and be strong right away, but 603 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: we've seen it year and year again with rookies that 604 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: sometimes there's that learning curve. I think it's a good 605 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: thing that he's an inside linebacker or you can hide 606 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: those guys a decent amount. I mean, if you're a cornerback, 607 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: that's struggling, people are gonna know it. If you're a 608 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,959 Speaker 1: quarterback that's struggling, people are gonna know it. But inside linebacker, 609 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you can make mistakes and it's not the 610 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: end of the world sometimes, So I think you have 611 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: that ability to hide it for a while, but he 612 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: just has to pick it up at some point, Like 613 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons path, I think you can live with that 614 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: if he's if he starts getting it around week seven, 615 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: week eight, and just kind of deal with the issues 616 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: early on and try to cover it up. But if 617 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: it's a season long thing, or if it happens in 618 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: crucial moments, then that's a really big deal. So I 619 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: think limiting the big plays off of his mistakes and 620 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: making sure that he's progressing. As we saw with Isaiah Simmons, 621 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: I think it's possible, and I don't think it's the 622 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: end of the world. I would agree with you on 623 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: both points, and I would throw in something else, which 624 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: is I feel like Isaiah Simmons is a huge key 625 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: to this. Like if Isaiah Simmons hits the ground running 626 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: this year, and because he's played in a year and 627 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: he's more comfortable and he can basically do his job, 628 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: it mitigates the rest of it. If Isaiah Simmons is 629 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: still swimming a little bit with Zaven Collins trying to 630 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: come in as a rookie, that concerns me. Yeah, I 631 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: think I agree, But I think the way Isaiah Simmons 632 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: played down the stretch gives me confidence that he's ready 633 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: to be a solid player. And if Zaven Collins shows 634 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: those flashes that Isaiah Simmons did because he wasn't good 635 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: for the first half of the season, but you would 636 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: see things from Isaiah Simmons like this guy is an 637 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: athletic freak and you knew eventually he would get there. 638 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: So if Zaven Collins can have those wild moments of saying, 639 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: this guy is doing stuff athletically that other inside linebackers 640 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: can't normally do, I think that'll give you hope for 641 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: the rest of the season. The the speeding ticket, the arrest, 642 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: that does that resonate with you at all? I mean 643 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,479 Speaker 1: in terms of what it means football, Why is it? No? No, 644 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: I mean it's speeding. First of all. I think the 645 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: excessive part of it. If he was going that fast, 646 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a concern. But don't know yeah, 647 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: it was. He twenty two, twenty three years old, got 648 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: a nice car, probably doesn't realize he was going that fast. 649 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I chalk it up to youth. I'm sure 650 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: I drove that fast at that age and luckily didn't 651 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: get a speeding ticket for it, and luckily I'm not 652 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: famous and people wouldn't pick it apart. But I think 653 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: it's a part of the growing process. And if if 654 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: he made a mistake and he's still diligent when he's 655 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: practicing it on the field and making smart decisions off it, 656 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: I think it's just a blip and not a big deal. 657 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: I would agree to me. It reminds me, and from 658 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: what little I know about him, I do believe he's 659 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,479 Speaker 1: got his head on straight. It feels like all the 660 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: coaching cliches when they like you can learn a lot more. 661 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: You can learn just as easily as after a win 662 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: as you can after a loss. And I'm not trying 663 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: to downplay excess the speeding by any stretch of the imagination, 664 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: but I can think of a lot of other things 665 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: he could have gotten in trouble with a law with 666 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: and in those cases, speeding is a win. I guess 667 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: if if you're gonna get in trouble with a law 668 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: and I feel like he will have learned something here 669 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: and be smart about it. And I do think he's 670 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: going to work really hard to be that guy that 671 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: they want, and we'll see if it happens, but it's 672 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: it's definitely going to be an interesting season with two 673 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: young inside linebackers like the Cardinals have. Yeah, and there's been, 674 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: I mean so many years where they've had veterans at 675 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: that spot who some of them weren't super athletic, like 676 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: a Josh Bines, and they knew what they were doing 677 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: and they were always in the right spot, but sometimes 678 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: athletically they couldn't make the play. Now it's the opposite 679 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,439 Speaker 1: where athletically these two guys are gonna make any play 680 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 1: that's near them, but can they be in the right spot. 681 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: So it's a different juxtaposition this time, but an interesting one. 682 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: There's a good chance if they're both successful at inside linebacker, 683 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: I won't get any more Daryl Washington. I think that 684 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: probably not. I like that the Jason w I think 685 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: was his name. The last question in this week's mail bag, 686 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: which wasn't really a question. Should check it out, though, 687 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: I enjoyed the going down memory road with some of 688 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 1: the I don't want to call them memes, but some 689 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: of the running jokes of the mail bags. Yeah, what 690 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: if DeAndre Hopkins has one hundred and fifteen catches? Again, 691 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: that should be great, right, I mean, is it? Yeah? Anytime, 692 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: anytime you can have a guy near the top of 693 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: the receiving totals, I think you take it, and you 694 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: I don't disagree. But here's here's why I think that 695 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: question can go in a couple of different ways. Because 696 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: one of the reasons he had one hundred fifteen catches 697 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: last year was because there wasn't a whole lot of 698 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: else that Kyler was able to throw too. So the 699 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: question is is obviously you're gonna you need more context. 700 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: But again, this is we're playing what if, and I 701 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: want to keep it as vague as possible. But if 702 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,399 Speaker 1: he has one hundred fifteen catches and nobody else has 703 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: more than fifty, then that's not good. Yeah. I mean 704 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: if he has one hundred and aj Green has eighty 705 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: and Christian Kirk has seventy two, that's something else. Yeah, 706 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: But I think if you ask me, how do you 707 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: want de hop to have one hundred and fifteen catches 708 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: or to have one hundred not knowing what the other 709 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 1: guys are doing. I would just take the one fifteen. Say, 710 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,439 Speaker 1: I know, I've got my number one receiver performing, he's 711 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: in his prime. He's gonna put up whatever it's gonna be, 712 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: twelve hundred yards thirteen hundred yards off of that, and 713 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: you've got that staple in your offense like you had 714 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: last season. I think worst case scenario is he gets 715 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: hurt or something happens. And I mean if we're turned 716 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 1: around saying d Hop at seventy five or eighty catches 717 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: this year, then I got panic bells going off in 718 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 1: my head. So I think I think a solid season 719 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 1: from d Hop gives you that baseline of your passing game. 720 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: And then obviously you need Christian Kirk or Rondale Moore 721 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: or AJ Green to step up and give you another 722 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,919 Speaker 1: legitimate threat. But yeah, I mean that's where their bread 723 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: is buttered. If you can get d Hop one hundred 724 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: fifteen catches again, I think it's a good sign, and 725 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: then you obviously have to build on it with some 726 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: of the other stuff. I am curious to know, like 727 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: how that production goes. I'm sure DeAndrea wishes he could 728 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: have had a couple of few more touchdowns out of 729 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: those one hundred fifteen catches. I'm curious to see if 730 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: anything changes if he's basically used exactly the same, And 731 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: I'm curious to know if AJ Green impacts how teams 732 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: might look at him, or if if the AJ Green 733 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: part on being on the field is going to be 734 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: strictly about his openness or be able to get open 735 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: because of DeAndre Hopkins on the other side. Yeah, I mean, 736 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,959 Speaker 1: I think at this point in their careers, everybody's gonna 737 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,720 Speaker 1: still Brackett DeAndre Hopkins double DeAndre Hopkins shade a safety 738 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: over DeAndre Hopkins. Unless AJ Green goes six games into 739 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: the season and shows he's vintage AJ Green, then you 740 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: got some question marks. But the fact that he played 741 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 1: all sixteen games last year and didn't put up the 742 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: type of numbers that he used to and it was 743 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: a significant downgrade from what he used to do, I 744 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: think clearly de Hoop is your number one. And then 745 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: people are gonna say, the rest of the guys have 746 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: to beat us, and we'll give you one on one 747 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: coverage with AJ Green, and if you do the stack 748 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,240 Speaker 1: of three receivers and DeAndre Hopkins over here, we're still 749 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: shading a safety over d hop and you can throw 750 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: it to the three wide receiver side because that's what 751 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: they did last year and it worked. And until the 752 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: Cardinals show that we've got a legitimate number two threat, 753 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: it's definitely gonna be. Hey, let's stop DeAndre Hopkins as 754 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: much as we can. So maybe he doesn't get one 755 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 1: hundred fifteen catches. We'll have to see. They try to 756 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: stop him last year and he still did. All right, 757 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: you ready for the grand finale, Kyle, As we wrap 758 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: up this edition of Cardinals Underground, what if Larry Fitzgerald 759 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 1: plays in regular season games this year? I'd be a twist. Huh, 760 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: it would be a twist, ah man, that'd be At 761 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: this point, it's just hard to even think that's going 762 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 1: to happen, but that'd be pretty interesting. And I guess 763 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: the next question is where and when? Yeah, I mean 764 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: you would think like, if that happens, there's already some 765 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: sort of age arrangement lined up where you're gonna come 766 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: in when camp starts or later, I guess whenever that 767 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:12,359 Speaker 1: Sun's Parade is over. But obviously without an offseason without 768 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: training as hard. I mean, who knows how hard he's 769 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: training if he is training whatever, but busy ripping me 770 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: on Twitter. I don't know how he has any time 771 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 1: to train. But it's clearly not going to be Larry 772 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald full time in the slot. They have too many 773 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: slot options. He's not gonna play outside anymore. Can he 774 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: play the Dan Arnold glorified tight end role? I mean, 775 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: I think that would be the most logical option. As 776 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: you're shaking your head and disagreeing with me, but I 777 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: still think that would be the most realistic. But I 778 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,439 Speaker 1: just I just don't know how it happens at this point. 779 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: I can't see a realistic way for that to happen. 780 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: And even even I know the question is going to 781 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: be what about a different team, But I don't think 782 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: it's realistic for him to go anywhere else either, So 783 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: I just I don't see how that comes together. That's 784 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 1: the biggest what if of the day. That's why I 785 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: left it from Scott. I don't you know me. I've 786 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: been I've been running the he's not playing for any 787 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: other team train from day one, so I don't think 788 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: he's playing anywhere else, And I don't think he's gonna 789 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: end up playing here, but I don't know. I mean, 790 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: they're not cleaning out his locker yet. I guess so. 791 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: I mean there's that, but I mean, I don't know. 792 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: There would definitely be the the hour of celebration when 793 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: he says he's returning and everybody goes, okay, so what 794 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: does this mean for the offense? Where is he gonna play? 795 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: What's it gonna do? It's gonna be there'll be a 796 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,240 Speaker 1: lot of questions about what it means for their offense 797 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: if he does come back. That's true. And I didn't 798 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: even think of that, that part of it, And I 799 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: hope he doesn't. You know, he wouldn't be doing one 800 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: of the interviews and the Sun's Parade and say yeah, 801 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,839 Speaker 1: I'm by the way, I'm also retiring. He wouldn't do 802 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 1: that to us, would He'd be a good way to 803 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: do it, just announce it during the parade from the comboard. Well, 804 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna be out of town when that happens. 805 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: I just don't want that. There's too much stuff going on. 806 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,359 Speaker 1: At least we're checking off the Sun's Parade. That means 807 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: they I guess they can parade if they lost like 808 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: they did, but they did that pretty good last time too. 809 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: I don't think Larry would show up to that one though, 810 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: so I don't know. As we as we wrap up 811 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Underground presented by Pacific Office Automation, proud 812 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,319 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals without Paul Calvc, we're going 813 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: to add that part to the tagline this week. You know, 814 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: what if Paul Calvc never returned? I mean, I think 815 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: that's a fair question too. I can't wait to check 816 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: out our listenership for this one and see if it 817 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: beat all the Paul Calvc episodes, and if so, this 818 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: spot is tenuous. What if training camp was around the corner? 819 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,280 Speaker 1: I don't think we need to ask that question anymore 820 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,280 Speaker 1: because it is and this offseason going way too fast, 821 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Thanks Kyle,