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Speaker 3: hot and steamy Monday in North Texas, and this is Mickshots,
Speaker 3: Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, and we are rejoined this week
Speaker 3: by the great Everson Walls, who's back in the house. Everson.
Speaker 2: I see pots cooking and boiling outside. What the heck
Speaker 2: is going on?
Speaker 4: Crawfish boil, craw fish boiled.
Speaker 3: Out there on the practice field. And I expected to
Speaker 3: see football players on the football field today.
Speaker 4: What's going Well, they're just problem.
Speaker 5: They're trying to bribe them to take part in the
Speaker 5: voluntary start to one of the workouts.
Speaker 3: That's the Day's the day. It's the official start of
Speaker 3: voluntary off season workouts here at the Star in Prisco.
Speaker 2: You know, next weekend I'll be having had a crawfish cookout.
Speaker 2: So this is very apropos I like that.
Speaker 5: Well, I just got some six pounds on Saturday. Yes, absolutely, man,
Speaker 5: that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: They were good. That's right. You got a little Louisiana
Speaker 2: in you.
Speaker 5: Man, quite a bit half of me there you go.
Speaker 3: So has Dak arrange this, he being a Louisiana guy
Speaker 3: to get his guys out here.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It was the it's the interesting. I like that.
Speaker 5: It was the same company that cooked for us before
Speaker 5: our Rangers opening day.
Speaker 3: Okay, so they've got an ongoing contract with them, maybe
Speaker 3: a month long contract with them.
Speaker 2: They've got the table out there long, got it set
Speaker 2: up right, got it set up. All you got to
Speaker 2: do is just cook them and then just pull them out.
Speaker 5: Got the Porterborod boilers that you can buy at the store.
Speaker 2: That's impressive. What is happening out here?
Speaker 3: So it is the first day?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't seem but I got here. It was
Speaker 5: a little bit before ten, So I don't know if
Speaker 5: the workouts hadn't commenced yet or now.
Speaker 3: The first phase there's there's there's different phases of the
Speaker 3: off season program. Much like in training camp, we have
Speaker 3: a ramp up period the first couple of weeks of
Speaker 3: the off season program. It's just with the strength and
Speaker 3: conditioning staff and the coaches don't can't be on the
Speaker 3: practice field.
Speaker 5: With them, but they can have meetings.
Speaker 3: They can behind the scenes have meetings for the first
Speaker 3: time since the end of the season.
Speaker 4: In basic Yes, yes, so, And it's voluntary.
Speaker 3: So you know what do voluntary mean?
Speaker 5: Yes, it means I don't have to be here if
Speaker 5: I don't want to.
Speaker 2: Oh little inside joked people, if you don't want to
Speaker 2: sk to us a lot talking about.
Speaker 5: It's been a while. It's just unfortunate. Ye, it's just unfortunate.
Speaker 5: I don't know that we ever had a recording of that. Okay,
Speaker 5: it would have been as popular as how about them cowboys?
Speaker 4: What do voluntary mean?
Speaker 2: Oh? Man?
Speaker 3: But we had Dak Prescott at the Aildren's Cancer Fund
Speaker 3: gala on Friday. I heard from heard from Dak as well,
Speaker 3: and he's a limited participant. He said he could play
Speaker 3: a game now if he needed to, but he doesn't
Speaker 3: need to now, and you know they don't now they've
Speaker 3: got two quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: I don't believe I don't believe it. He's so optimistic.
Speaker 2: He couldn't play a name right now.
Speaker 5: Well, you know what, when I've been watching his rehab
Speaker 5: out there. He's been on the chords, right, and they
Speaker 5: do all the little side steps forward.
Speaker 4: Backward, they go in a big square.
Speaker 5: Well, last week, I can't remember if it was Thursday
Speaker 5: or Friday.
Speaker 4: No more chord.
Speaker 5: He was doing this on his own. He was running
Speaker 5: pretty well nice, I mean hard. He was doing those
Speaker 5: exercises hard. So that was a thin another step in
Speaker 5: the right direction.
Speaker 2: I think with me, it's just I'm just so ignorant
Speaker 2: of the injury, and so that's why I'm so pessimistic
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 5: Well, he could probably play as long as he knew
Speaker 5: he wasn't getting hit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so he played touch for I see.
Speaker 5: That's going on now with the Stars defenceman merro Hiskin.
Speaker 5: He's practicing, but he's not allowed to be in contact right,
Speaker 5: which means, well, you can't play.
Speaker 2: Yet, which means the Stars are sucking right now. Well,
Speaker 2: the defense is really I was there for Winnipeg.
Speaker 3: Are you really you went to a hockey game.
Speaker 2: I went to a hockey game, man, my brother.
Speaker 4: I was there.
Speaker 2: Well I didn't. I didn't seen you guys. In the week,
Speaker 2: and my buddy came in from New Orleans and he
Speaker 2: wanted to go to a game. Of course, the only
Speaker 2: black guy he knows it like hockey is my brother.
Speaker 2: So you know, we went to the game.
Speaker 3: Whatever is it a game, soccer match, Hockey's a game.
Speaker 2: So hockeys went to the hockey game, had great seats.
Speaker 2: And when I tell you, the Winnipeg Jets are the
Speaker 2: biggest freaking team I think I've ever seen on ice.
Speaker 2: They were here, our guys were here, and they're really
Speaker 2: good playing and they're good defense. I mean it's not
Speaker 2: just the goalie. They're playing defense on the exterior. And
Speaker 2: we couldn't even get to the goalie half the time,
Speaker 2: especially in the second and third period. It was ridiculous.
Speaker 3: So they had like the Jalen Carter on their defense.
Speaker 2: Yes they do, big number ninety. It was ninety four
Speaker 2: or ninety four. He looked like he was about six seven.
Speaker 2: It was ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: There's a reason why they've got the most point exactly
Speaker 5: that league they're going to. I mean, I don't exactly
Speaker 5: if they're going to try these last couple of games,
Speaker 5: but they're going to get the President's Trophy again.
Speaker 3: Defense wins champions, like Mickey's always.
Speaker 2: They made the game. He Ckey.
Speaker 5: Except when you give up one hundred and thirty four
Speaker 5: points in a basketball game.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, well that's NBA. Where do we go.
Speaker 3: Who gave up one hundred and more point the Mavericks yesterday. Yes,
Speaker 3: they didn't play anybody. Well, they played well, they play
Speaker 3: everybody I know.
Speaker 2: They didn't play any of them. Oh yeah, sad.
Speaker 3: Everybody I know.
Speaker 4: But they still and that's that's the thing with it.
Speaker 2: Okay, but we are backup. This is way better than
Speaker 2: our back up play.
Speaker 3: This is comparing the NFL with the NBA. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: the NFL, they've for years now, they've got their schedule
Speaker 3: figured out, where you're playing division rivals the last week
Speaker 3: you schedule the games. Basically, they're very strategic to make
Speaker 3: sure that teams aren't sitting players that something. If there's
Speaker 3: if there's a chance that the game can be meaningful,
Speaker 3: it's going to be played at the same time as
Speaker 3: another game that might impact that team's standing. And the
Speaker 3: NBA did the same thing. They skedued all their games
Speaker 3: at two o'clock two thirty yesterday afternoon. Okay, and the
Speaker 3: Mavericks had something to play for, okay, because they're in
Speaker 3: the play in game a one game play in game
Speaker 3: against Sacramento. Both teams come into the game with the
Speaker 3: same record. Sacramento's got the tiebreaker. Uh, and so the Mavericks.
Speaker 3: If the Mavericks win, Sacramento has to win over Phoenix
Speaker 3: to claim the home court advantage, and that playing again, Well,
Speaker 3: the Mavericks just set Anthony Davis and Clay Thompson on PJ.
Speaker 3: Washington and Derek Lively don't play in the game. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so Sacramento doesn't play anybody in the game. And
Speaker 3: then I look across. Memphis had to win the game
Speaker 3: too for whatever reason, and they sat all their guys too.
Speaker 3: The guy that was their leading scorer scored thirty one points.
Speaker 3: He averages two point three points a game, and he
Speaker 3: scored thirty one to lead the way for him. And
Speaker 3: so the NBA is trying to make it meaningful on
Speaker 3: the last day of the season like the NFL does,
Speaker 3: and what the hell, we doesn't matter, We're just not
Speaker 3: gonna play Ayody.
Speaker 2: It was ugly.
Speaker 4: Health it was ugly, and then they got a guy
Speaker 4: hurt that.
Speaker 2: Was a forty point difference.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's okay.
Speaker 3: It was like the day after the Luca trade where
Speaker 3: they they set everybody because everyone was distraught and the shock,
Speaker 3: and so nobody played. And then they gave up one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty points and.
Speaker 2: You put that on the injury list.
Speaker 5: But but if you go back to why they couldn't
Speaker 5: beat Boston because they couldn't score enough points. No doubt,
Speaker 5: the defense played decently.
Speaker 2: Decent, They were decent, but they couldn't.
Speaker 5: They couldn't score a hundred points.
Speaker 3: Because the Boston defense was so good.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, but there was.
Speaker 5: So then they tried to fix the offense by trading
Speaker 5: for Anthony Davis.
Speaker 3: Right, they fix the defense. Yeah, all right, So now
Speaker 3: we bring it back to the Cowboys. Yes, we've got
Speaker 3: a draft looming nine days away.
Speaker 5: Now, and one more veteran backup quarterback I see got
Speaker 5: off the board, Drew Lock back to Seattle.
Speaker 3: Drew Lock to Seattle. I did not even see that.
Speaker 3: It just happened this morning.
Speaker 2: So who's going to be the starter in Seattle?
Speaker 3: Well, they they got Sam Darnell.
Speaker 5: They got Sam Darnold. They had Sam holl Will Will
Speaker 5: Sam Sam how Yeah, veteran, and they signed him to
Speaker 5: a two year, five million dollar deal. That's what was reporting.
Speaker 5: And I thought the true Boys. Yeah, I thought the
Speaker 5: Cowboys were just waiting till the price came down. Well,
Speaker 5: two and a half of a year, that's pretty inexpensive
Speaker 5: for a guy that started games in the But.
Speaker 3: But wait, the Cowboys don't need a backup quarterback. They
Speaker 3: traded for their backup quarterback.
Speaker 4: Right, you feel good about.
Speaker 2: That, so we need one more?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 3: We went twenty two for twenty nine and to a
Speaker 3: touchdown pass and ran for a touchdown pass in the
Speaker 3: game he played.
Speaker 5: When did you just talk about what the Mavericks did
Speaker 5: sitting people in a game that didn't matter. Buffalo played nobody.
Speaker 3: On that final regular season game against New England. I
Speaker 3: was shut. I went and did the research on it
Speaker 3: because everyone's talking about how well Joe Milton played and
Speaker 3: it was against a good team, Buffalo, And I went
Speaker 3: back and looked at the snap count for the Buffalo
Speaker 3: players in that game against Joe Milton. They literally, and
Speaker 3: I don't have the list in front of me. There
Speaker 3: were eight defensive starters that did not play in the game,
Speaker 3: and Von Miller played three snaps in the game, I
Speaker 3: assume because he needed to there was an incentive. And
Speaker 3: then their next four regulars on their defense played twenty
Speaker 3: snaps or fewer in the game. And I'm like, how
Speaker 3: in the NFL, it's like, because of roster restrictions and stuff,
Speaker 3: how do you sit all eleven or twelve starters? And
Speaker 3: they figured out a way to do it. And credit
Speaker 3: goes to Sean McDermott, their head coach, and Brandon Bean
Speaker 3: their GM manipulating their practice squad and have call ups
Speaker 3: and whatever, and they were able to field a team.
Speaker 3: But that's what Joe Milton went up against in that game.
Speaker 3: So in other words, tap the brakes.
Speaker 5: So he's got one game of NFL experience, that one
Speaker 5: you just talked about.
Speaker 3: Will Greer's got two starts in his career. So the
Speaker 3: Cowboys that are backup quarterbacks Will Greer and Joe Milton
Speaker 3: have a combined three starts in the NFL.
Speaker 5: So are you that comfortable and to lean on if
Speaker 5: Dak Prescott gets hurt in preseason, which.
Speaker 2: He won't play, No Cooper of Russia's out there, Huh.
Speaker 4: There's probably still a few Carson wentz Is out there, and.
Speaker 2: Believe it or not, I could take casts them.
Speaker 5: With these teams that draft a rookie quarterbacks, as a backup.
Speaker 2: Bill. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: Carson Wentz was with Kansas City last year. He's now
Speaker 3: thirty three years old, and uh so he would be
Speaker 3: another guy who doesn't have as much playing time as
Speaker 3: Carson Wentz, but does have starts in the league.
Speaker 2: C J.
Speaker 3: Bethard, who is with Jacksonville thirty two years old and
Speaker 3: was there when Schottenheimer was at Jacksonville.
Speaker 5: He was.
Speaker 3: He coached him there that for one year.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny I look at at at Carston
Speaker 2: Wentz and I say, Okay, he's had enough failures to
Speaker 2: know when to stop. And and to me, that's just experience, right,
Speaker 2: And so you want a guy I wouldn't want him
Speaker 2: here as a starter, but if he came here as
Speaker 2: a backup, you could he could recognize situations that he
Speaker 2: could manage based on the experiences that he's had.
Speaker 3: I mean, compare, Okay, Carson wentzter Cooper Rush.
Speaker 2: I'm talking Carson Wentzon.
Speaker 3: No, but I'm saying, compare the two.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, Carston went a much better athlete and he's
Speaker 2: got the tools are much better. Uh but that was
Speaker 2: never his problem and and you know Cooper Rush his problem.
Speaker 2: His problems were he was able to overcome his problems
Speaker 2: with experience. Do the same.
Speaker 3: If the Cowboys or any other team signed Carson Wentz,
Speaker 3: it's a yawn from people. And it's also but when
Speaker 3: Cooper Rush goes to Baltimore, well wow, they let Cooper
Speaker 3: Rush get away, you know, And a lot of it
Speaker 3: has to do with Carson Wentz was the second pick
Speaker 3: in the draft, so he's considered a bust because he
Speaker 3: didn't live up to that where he was drafted at
Speaker 3: one point Cooper Rush. But Cooper Rush was college free
Speaker 3: agent and oh wow, no one, he didn't have the expectations.
Speaker 3: No one had the expectations Cooper Rush could do anything.
Speaker 3: Then he comes in and win some games and okay,
Speaker 3: Cooper Rush, Yeah, good backup?
Speaker 5: If you if you could get a backup for two millions, yeah,
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: Everybody said, well he failed the Giants, Well okay, but
Speaker 5: you're hoping he doesn't have to play. But if he does,
Speaker 5: the reason backup quarterbacks are successful is their experience because
Speaker 5: they don't get to practice one the season starts.
Speaker 3: And the Colts are hoping Daniel Jones does play. Yes,
Speaker 3: because it's either him or Anthony Richardson right now as
Speaker 3: their starting goal decision, which gets back to the draft
Speaker 3: and quarterbacks getting overdrafted.
Speaker 2: And I could look at both of those that say that,
Speaker 2: think about this when when he look at both of those,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know how many quarterbacks will get drafted in
Speaker 5: the first round, But when they get drafted, somebody's getting
Speaker 5: knocked off their roster, so there'll be more quarterbacks available.
Speaker 4: The first of May.
Speaker 3: Well, what happened when the Cowboys got Andy Dalton. That
Speaker 3: was the year that the Bengals drafted Joe Burrow, right,
Speaker 3: and so Andy Dalton was on the roster up until
Speaker 3: the Okay, they made the number one overall pick Joe Burrow,
Speaker 3: and then the Bengals released Andy Dalton and the Cowboys
Speaker 3: pick up and.
Speaker 5: And he had also made all the money he needed
Speaker 5: so he could come in for whatever they I think
Speaker 5: they only paid them three million.
Speaker 4: Dollars for the year.
Speaker 3: So I think it's wise for the Cowboys at this
Speaker 3: point sit tight, to sit tight, see what happens in
Speaker 3: the draft. There may be a guy in the fifth
Speaker 3: round that the Cowboys draft that they like who as
Speaker 3: a developmental guy who has experience in college who they
Speaker 3: may say, you know what, let's go with this guy
Speaker 3: and Joe Milton and let it play go through the
Speaker 3: off season. Get them snaps, see where they are in
Speaker 3: training camp, and you can always get a guy at
Speaker 3: the end of training camp too to be your back,
Speaker 3: a veteran guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, needed.
Speaker 5: So two guys that'll go probably I don't know, third
Speaker 5: day that played a lot of college ball.
Speaker 4: The Ohio State.
Speaker 5: Guy, Will Howard Any played like four or five years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, played at Kansas State and then at Ohio State.
Speaker 5: And then rot is it Riley Riley Leonard Notre Dame.
Speaker 3: Same thing, right, is a duke for three years and
Speaker 3: then a Notre Dame and they both played against each
Speaker 3: other in the National Championship Game.
Speaker 5: So they're experienced. They've taken a lot of college snap
Speaker 5: at least.
Speaker 4: I could say they have those.
Speaker 3: They have those.
Speaker 2: And the college player that that's had at least four years, Yeah, there.
Speaker 4: Is not three and not right, right, But.
Speaker 3: I like both of those guys in terms of those intangibles, leadership, character.
Speaker 3: I mean, Riley Leonard has incredible athleticism too. He has
Speaker 3: been In fact, it's funny that you even mention him
Speaker 3: because he's he's my guy as a sleeper quarterback in
Speaker 3: this draft that I think could develop into something. And
Speaker 3: he's got just the presence that he has. Go look
Speaker 3: at his high school basketball video of him slam dunking,
Speaker 3: and just as a running quarterback in the in college football,
Speaker 3: there's a reason that Notre Dame was running the ball
Speaker 3: all the time because he could do it. And as
Speaker 3: Daryl Royle used to say, and you throw the ball
Speaker 3: and the three things can happen. Two of them are bad. Well,
Speaker 3: and you're controlling games by controlling the football running the ball.
Speaker 3: But he's running through the Georgia defense, the Clemson defense,
Speaker 3: doing these incredible athletic things. And I like him as
Speaker 3: a developmental guy as far as his passing too. But
Speaker 3: we'll see where he goes. I think he has a
Speaker 3: personality that I think coaches will There will be coaches
Speaker 3: who fall in love with him who he may go
Speaker 3: earlier than people expect because of that. But if he
Speaker 3: is there in the fifth round, I say jump on him.
Speaker 5: So mentioning that what does the Green, Big Green notebook
Speaker 5: say about quinn Ewers like around.
Speaker 3: And talking with people close to viewers, I mean he
Speaker 3: could go as early as the high second, or he
Speaker 3: could depending on how the quarterbacks play out here, he
Speaker 3: could and all those quarterbacks would drop all the way
Speaker 3: to the third day of the draft, depending on Okay,
Speaker 3: you've got obviously cam Ward's going number one overall, and
Speaker 3: you've got shahduor Sanders, and there's mixed reviews on him
Speaker 3: whether he will go top of the first round. He
Speaker 3: could be a guy that slides to the second round,
Speaker 3: depending on where that run starts on quarterbacks and what
Speaker 3: people think. Like the Saints now with the Derek Carr injury,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of speculation. Well, maybe the Saints would
Speaker 3: at number nine would take a quarterback, and maybe at
Speaker 3: Shador goes there. Jackson Dart from Ole miss is another
Speaker 3: one that's in that mix. Well, if teams decide, okay,
Speaker 3: they look at the landscape and we think, okay, we
Speaker 3: can get one of those two guys with our early
Speaker 3: second round pick, they may wait or trade up from
Speaker 3: the second round. The Saints have six picks in the
Speaker 3: top one thirty in the draft, and they could trade
Speaker 3: up whatever, and so would that would might push yours
Speaker 3: will Howard Tyler Shuck is another guy from Louisville who
Speaker 3: played at Texas Tech. Started his career as Justin Herbert's
Speaker 3: backup at Oregon. He's going to be twenty six in September.
Speaker 3: And as really you look at the talented arms in
Speaker 3: this draft, and Tyler Shuck is right there at the top,
Speaker 3: and so that could push those guys all down around
Speaker 3: and so we'll see. But usually quarterbacks get drafted earlier
Speaker 3: than what they're graded.
Speaker 5: Okay, so it seems like the big unknown right now
Speaker 5: with the quarterbacks and the draft is where Shaudur Sanders
Speaker 5: should be drafted.
Speaker 4: What what do you guys think?
Speaker 5: What is your estimation of what he is? Say his
Speaker 5: name was Shaudeur Wilson. Does that change everybody thinks about him?
Speaker 2: Anytime you have the luxury of having Sanders, it does
Speaker 2: change things just automatically. You're gonna get a more exposure
Speaker 2: and then also more criticism. He's got to be as
Speaker 2: a quarterback. I think he has been challenged more than
Speaker 2: any other quarterback. I think he's had less to work
Speaker 2: with than any of the top quarterbacks that are being
Speaker 2: considered in the dress.
Speaker 3: When you could consider his offensive line.
Speaker 2: Yes, offensive line especially, and so that to me lets
Speaker 2: me know how durable he is. It kind of it
Speaker 2: brings him up on the ladder to me a little
Speaker 2: bit higher, simply because you know that he's had that
Speaker 2: experience of diversity and adversity.
Speaker 7: And so.
Speaker 2: I think if his name was not Sanders, I think
Speaker 2: he'd get less consideration. But it wouldn't be fair. It
Speaker 2: could not be fair because this guy has been through
Speaker 2: a lot in his two years, and well they spently
Speaker 2: two years in Colorado, and I think he I think
Speaker 2: coming to the pros it would be better off for
Speaker 2: him when he gets there because he's going to be
Speaker 2: the guy that has been through it already. He hadn't
Speaker 2: been a cake It hadn't been a cake walk for
Speaker 2: him at all.
Speaker 3: And in fact, I did a podcast this morning with
Speaker 3: Babe Lathenburg and we were talking about Shador and the
Speaker 3: way Bay put it, and he likes a lot about
Speaker 3: Shadeur's what he's done in college and thinks he has
Speaker 3: probably a higher floor than a lot of the quarterbacks
Speaker 3: in this draft. He's not sure about what how high
Speaker 3: his ceiling is right because of his he doesn't have
Speaker 3: the best arm in the draft. Not not to say
Speaker 3: he doesn't he doesn't have a good arm, but as
Speaker 3: far as being a guy who can be a Pro
Speaker 3: Bowl quarterback down the road. And then I do not
Speaker 3: mean to put word in the babe's mouth on this,
Speaker 3: but that's one way he was looking at it was that.
Speaker 3: And he doesn't have it, doesn't have his dad's athleticism.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have his speed right exactly right to me.
Speaker 3: But he does have his movement in the pocket and
Speaker 3: so forth. He's got enough to be to be able as.
Speaker 2: We talk about what he doesn't have. Yeah, that's why
Speaker 2: I like him so much because there's a lot of
Speaker 2: things he doesn't have. But you can see his calmness
Speaker 2: about him, and he's he's salvaged some plays.
Speaker 3: Almost to a fault. The calmness is almost to a
Speaker 3: fault because he waits and lets and he believes he
Speaker 3: can make the play so much that he will wait
Speaker 3: and wait and wait for the play to develop, and
Speaker 3: then he gets sacked in the man at the risk
Speaker 3: of his own health, exactly right, Which tells you a
Speaker 3: little bit about his courage too, that he's tough, that
Speaker 3: he was.
Speaker 5: I think some people mistake that from lack of recognition
Speaker 5: because he's waiting right right, Because.
Speaker 3: He's been coached by Pat Scharmer at Colorado, right, NFL
Speaker 3: coaching there, and.
Speaker 5: So I was just wondering because it seems like, and
Speaker 5: you know what, these mock drafts are, right, they don't
Speaker 5: check with anybody, and all of a sudden, his name
Speaker 5: starts going down down, and it's.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, okay, you know what happens on that is okay?
Speaker 3: And they're obviously with a guy like Shador, there's hype
Speaker 3: to begin with there. And so guys they make out
Speaker 3: their mock drafts or they do their evaluations and then
Speaker 3: they start talking to NFL, NFL people, scouts or whatever
Speaker 3: as we get closer and closer to the draft, and
Speaker 3: they get mixed reviews and so, but how much of
Speaker 3: that is truth? And how much of it is.
Speaker 5: Because if their mouths are moving, they're lying, that's right, right.
Speaker 3: So then when they hear that, okay, there's mixed reviews
Speaker 3: in NFL, well, all it takes is one Michael Pennox
Speaker 3: last year. Okay, Atlanta has already signed Kirk Cousins, and
Speaker 3: Michael Pennix has this injury history. I mean, the talent
Speaker 3: is obvious with Pennix, and he was an older guy
Speaker 3: twenty four years old coming out but and everyone couldn't
Speaker 3: believe that Atlanta would pick him ninth overall because they
Speaker 3: had signed Cousins. Well they loved him enough to do that,
Speaker 3: and actually he's now the starting quarterback here a year later. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so all it takes is one that likes you, doesn't
Speaker 3: matter what the other thirty one they're thinking. I mean,
Speaker 3: ask Patrick Mahomes draft. Ask Chicago how they feel about
Speaker 3: their evaluation of quarterbacks in that draft when they when
Speaker 3: they take Trubisky and there's Mahomes going nine picks later.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Bears should not be the sample of their
Speaker 5: ability to choose quarter although I think this last one
Speaker 5: is probably pretty good. If they get him some and somebody,
Speaker 5: well they well that was they've worked on that.
Speaker 2: Yes, they had two or three quarterbacks before, and they
Speaker 2: still didn't give him any help. Yeah. I feel sorry
Speaker 2: for the guy because he's gonna go through the same
Speaker 2: crap the fields went through.
Speaker 3: They don't have anything there for him. Well, they've added
Speaker 3: this year. They've got veterans on their offensive line. They
Speaker 3: got Ben Johnson as their head coach.
Speaker 4: So now veteran wide receiver.
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Speaker 4: You're running three K.
Speaker 2: I'd be walking it if I did it. I thought
Speaker 2: of that room for walking. They won't blame you.
Speaker 3: You can go at your own pills.
Speaker 2: My running days after that last uh Cowtown Marathon, I'm done,
Speaker 2: got no desire.
Speaker 4: I'm done.
Speaker 2: I might do a turkey trot or something, and I
Speaker 2: won't be doing the eight but ah my goodness, oh
Speaker 2: I just it tore me up. I'm done a man
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Speaker 3: partially torn meniscus. If you were an athlete, i'd recommend surgery.
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Speaker 2: And while I was ahead, my my faculties are still there.
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Speaker 4: Before we get to that? When we were talking about chadur.
Speaker 5: And stop me if I told this before, stop all right,
Speaker 5: because I probably have right.
Speaker 3: The big.
Speaker 5: The Big twelve pro day, my buddy in Waco, David Smoke,
Speaker 5: had Shiloh Sanders, Yeah, for an interview. Yes, he's pretty sharp.
Speaker 5: Now he's probably not going to get drafted.
Speaker 2: I don't think so it'll be because I.
Speaker 5: Really sixth seventh round.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a safety.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: I looked at him and and so they're talking with him.
Speaker 5: He's pretty funny and and and they were they were
Speaker 5: they asked him something about you know, have you ever
Speaker 5: run against your dad or you know, compare forty times
Speaker 5: and he goes, let me tell you about his forty times.
Speaker 5: He goes, all I heard all my life was that
Speaker 5: I wake up for breakfast with a four to two
Speaker 5: right right, And he goes, I can find anything. I
Speaker 5: can't find.
Speaker 4: Any video where forty right.
Speaker 5: He goes, why can't I find that?
Speaker 2: That's true? That's true, No one can find it. Pretty hilarious, right,
Speaker 2: which you would think that it would be out there somewhere.
Speaker 4: Someone's guess idio.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, Dion Sanders right.
Speaker 3: Now, only nineteen eighty mine, right, So then meanwhile, I
Speaker 3: just did a search on Shiloh Sanders forty time and
Speaker 3: it came right up prote He had a four five
Speaker 3: two and a four or five nights. Yeah, that's not.
Speaker 2: Bad for safety and with the safety recognition, right, is
Speaker 2: more important? Dion has important to speek.
Speaker 3: Dion promised him a new car if he ran in
Speaker 3: the four point four four.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he didn't get he narrowly missed.
Speaker 5: So the other thing he said was he goes, yeah,
Speaker 5: he talks about this four to two forty and he goes,
Speaker 5: I was picking his brain for how he trained for
Speaker 5: his forty and he goes, I didn't need to train.
Speaker 5: I told you I'm four to two forty for breakfast,
Speaker 5: and he goes. And then I got somebody online that
Speaker 5: played with him at Florida State pointed out he also
Speaker 5: ran track. He goes, So he was training running track, right, yes.
Speaker 2: He goes.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, sometimes he got to watch what my dad says.
Speaker 4: It's pretty funny.
Speaker 2: Those highlights are still pretty amazing watching that guy.
Speaker 5: By the way, when you mentioned the Saints and car
Speaker 5: with a potential shoulder injury that could cost him the season,
Speaker 5: they're quarterbacks right now. Spencer Rattler, Spencer Rattler, Jake Horner, Haynter,
Speaker 5: and Ben Denucci.
Speaker 3: Yea be Nucci.
Speaker 5: They signed him, So you.
Speaker 3: Know you got to know somebody that's well, let's connect
Speaker 3: the dots. He Denucci was here and Kellen Moore was here.
Speaker 2: So come on, I mean, I guess.
Speaker 5: All right, you got so that would help the Cowboys
Speaker 5: because if they took a quarterback, oh yeah, somebody back
Speaker 5: back to Shiloh.
Speaker 2: So so no draft possibility. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: you would think he could middle around. I mean, the
Speaker 2: guy was playing make playing some good ball. I didn't
Speaker 2: see him make a whole bunch of mistakes.
Speaker 3: All right, let me ask you this. Forget Shiloh. Okay,
Speaker 3: if Shador is there at twelve, does someone know? Does
Speaker 3: someone have pause in the draft room very shortly?
Speaker 2: No, you're gonna have to if his name comes up,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to restrain somebody and take him in
Speaker 2: the back and make sure he doesn't understand that I
Speaker 2: should do what's waiting for you at twelve. You do
Speaker 2: not want that certain person in that room, even considering
Speaker 2: that they we're going back to a whole back not
Speaker 2: as bad as Johnny Manziel, but.
Speaker 3: Still, if you do is there at forty four? No, okay,
Speaker 3: should do it forty four? I'm just saying, is that
Speaker 3: forty four? It gave him pause? It gave ever some
Speaker 3: four which gets to the quarterbacks. Okay, if there is
Speaker 3: one that you love, If there's a quarterback that you love,
Speaker 3: how early would you if you're the Cowboys, how early
Speaker 3: would you take a quarterback that you love?
Speaker 2: Forty four?
Speaker 4: Fourth round?
Speaker 3: Come on, fourth round? They don't have a fourth round pack.
Speaker 3: That's what happened, So fourth round you would be packaging
Speaker 3: your fifth round picks. Move up into the fourth round.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not going to be there.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying, but just in general, any if
Speaker 3: there's a quarterback and when you look, get it from
Speaker 3: the Cowboys perspective. Okay, and this applies to Joe Milton
Speaker 3: here too. Okay that Okay, you've got a quarterback in
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott who's starting a four year contract at age
Speaker 3: thirty one, close to thirty one. Now, okay, all right,
Speaker 3: so at the end of this contract he's thirty four
Speaker 3: to thirty five. You want to be in a position
Speaker 3: whenever it's Dak is done that you've got one that
Speaker 3: you've developed in your system, you know, and in the meantime,
Speaker 3: and you look at back at the track record of Dak.
Speaker 3: He has missed games over the last few years. And
Speaker 3: so at the same time, you're addressing that, if there's
Speaker 3: one you really love, you know, so I don't I
Speaker 3: would not criticize if the Cowboys had someone they really
Speaker 3: like at forty four or seventy, second or third round,
Speaker 3: go for it. Now, Ideally you trade down and pick
Speaker 3: up an extra top one hundred pick. So now you've
Speaker 3: got an extra pick to play with in order to
Speaker 3: take a quarterback. Fourth on that, I'm saying, get a
Speaker 3: if you traded down in the first round and picked
Speaker 3: up a third whatever, now you and now you've got
Speaker 3: the freedom to take It's I don't consider it a
Speaker 3: luxury pick, but some would call it that to take
Speaker 3: the quarterback, but it's I mean, it's an important position
Speaker 3: on the team to have a backup quarter Now, this
Speaker 3: is be one that you say is not only your quarterback,
Speaker 3: developmental quarterback for the future, but he's also the guy
Speaker 3: who steps in if that got hurt the.
Speaker 2: First game season, you know that'd be a luxury.
Speaker 3: You think that's no luxury.
Speaker 4: That's you have to have that right.
Speaker 5: You know you can capture lightning in a bottle of
Speaker 5: second time, like drafting Dak in that fourth as your third.
Speaker 3: Well, and that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 5: Dak's not in his career that saying, but I'm saying that,
Speaker 5: how many times do you get that lucky?
Speaker 3: Well, that's why you do your due diligence on these quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they love Dak so well, got him with
Speaker 5: their second.
Speaker 4: Fourth round pick.
Speaker 3: Well, sometimes I think you gotta get well, I well,
Speaker 3: misfortunate for him a little bit, but luck for us
Speaker 3: that he fell down.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, and I did this. How much quarterback
Speaker 5: luck has this team had? Right? Starting with Don Meredith,
Speaker 5: they signed what it was a personal service contract. But
Speaker 5: the NFL going, well, wait a minute, we got to
Speaker 5: make this legitimate. You're gonna have to trade a draft pick.
Speaker 5: The Bears are going to take Don Meredith and trade
Speaker 5: them to you for a future third round pick.
Speaker 4: That's how they got Meridith.
Speaker 2: Don Mayorth is so cowboy I couldn't see him in Chicago.
Speaker 4: No, no, it was pre arranged.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, How lucky did you get with Roger Staubach, right,
Speaker 5: hadn't played for what four years? Five years, had to
Speaker 5: do his military. You took him in the twelfth round,
Speaker 5: and he turned in tenth round tenth sorry, and turns
Speaker 5: into a Hall of Famer Danny White.
Speaker 2: Nicky, you could say about a whole bunch of cowboy players,
Speaker 2: but not Yeah.
Speaker 5: But not other teams. Not other teams though, to be
Speaker 5: the fortunate at the quarterback position. Right, you draft Danny
Speaker 5: White thinking well, the WFL is gonna fold, and it folds.
Speaker 5: He gets here in seventy six and Longley does his deal,
Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, Danny who was going to
Speaker 5: be the third quarterback is now the backup quarterback. And
Speaker 5: then Roger retires and it's like, oh, I've got a
Speaker 5: quarterback that was pretty darn good in college.
Speaker 2: They once again in those bags. The cowboy lower though,
Speaker 2: is full.
Speaker 5: Of that they needed a quarterback in eighty nine and oh,
Speaker 5: Troy Aikman's the first picking. Oh, we got the first
Speaker 5: pick in the draft because that other team went three
Speaker 5: and thirteen.
Speaker 3: And then in the supplemental draft they take Steve Walsh
Speaker 3: with what would have been the first pick of the
Speaker 3: draft in they but Smith.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the reason you mentioned Steve he did it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the only reason you've mentioned Steve wats is because
Speaker 2: what came afterwards. Yeah, it wasn't the quarterback position itself
Speaker 2: at that time, but.
Speaker 5: Then they traded him for first, then a couple of
Speaker 5: second and a third.
Speaker 3: So the first round pick was that a Vikings pick
Speaker 3: they got met with No wait, because they used their
Speaker 3: first round pick. It was them, it was trade. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I need.
Speaker 2: To look up that draft.
Speaker 3: And if they had to pick Steve Walsh, then what
Speaker 3: go ahead?
Speaker 5: Well, the first quarter the first running back taken was
Speaker 5: Blair Thomas right.
Speaker 4: He was the second pick, the second pick in the draft.
Speaker 5: George was which is, by the way, no no, no
Speaker 5: George quarterback George Jeff George, Jeff George, which they wouldn't
Speaker 5: have taken. So I think they would have. I think
Speaker 5: they would.
Speaker 3: In Miami guy there, Definitely they would have taken Cortez Kennedy.
Speaker 3: Then likely Russell Carrol.
Speaker 2: I do recall I remember the Courtez Kennedy.
Speaker 5: Angle, and then you wouldn't have taken Russell Maryland the
Speaker 5: next year.
Speaker 3: Another guy that could have been in the mix of
Speaker 3: Junior Seal was in that draft, but their history with
Speaker 3: Cortez Kennedy probably would have meant that they would have
Speaker 3: taken Cortez Kennedy.
Speaker 5: And remember in that draft, they were sitting there at
Speaker 5: twenty one and they decided they needed.
Speaker 4: A running back.
Speaker 5: Well, the teams ahead of them all needed a running back.
Speaker 5: They needed to jump ahead, and they made the trade
Speaker 5: with Pittsburgh to go to seventeen. They took Emmett Smith,
Speaker 5: and I think the next three draft choices were running backs.
Speaker 4: Green Bay had two.
Speaker 3: They took Emmett at seventeen, and there was a linebacker,
Speaker 3: Tony Bennett that went right next, and then it was
Speaker 3: Darryl Thompson went to Green Bay at nineteen, Steve Bruchard
Speaker 3: running back to Atlanta at twenty giant, and then Rodney
Speaker 3: Hampton went twenty four to the Giants.
Speaker 5: I asked, I asked Jimmy once, what would you have
Speaker 5: done if you didn't make that trade? Who would you
Speaker 5: have taken it twenty one? And he said Rodney Hampton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense. That would hell of as trade.
Speaker 5: And then to go on, how fortunate were they with
Speaker 5: Tony Romo ends up being a franchise quarterback as an undrafted.
Speaker 3: All right, then, Dak, it's funny that you mentioned Blair
Speaker 3: Thomas because one of the reasons I started really studying
Speaker 3: the draft and starting this big green notebook about fifteen
Speaker 3: or sixteen years ago. I look back at Blair Thomas
Speaker 3: versus EMMITTT. Smith in that draft, and remember, just a
Speaker 3: couple of years later, Blair Thomas came to the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: He was a late season pickup because of an injury
Speaker 3: issue back up running back. And remember what Blair Thomas'
Speaker 3: personality was like when he arrived here. He was a
Speaker 3: and there's no knock on Blair Thomas. It was just
Speaker 3: he did he lacked confidence? Yes, yes, it was striking
Speaker 3: the difference in Emmett Smith and Blair Thomas just and
Speaker 3: their personalities and their confidence level and charisma and so forth.
Speaker 2: Do you think it had anything to do with the injury?
Speaker 3: And I don't know, And that he was and that
Speaker 3: he was considered a draft bust whatever maybe so so
Speaker 3: maybe he had a more different person if he was
Speaker 3: like that in college.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't, I didn't have any Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I was like, so.
Speaker 3: How would a team make the decision if you've got EMMITTT.
Speaker 3: Smith or Blair Thomas in the room, just based on
Speaker 3: if you're interviewing someone for a job or whatever. You know,
Speaker 3: the way this guy over here has so much confidence
Speaker 3: about him that the day he's drafted by the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: he walks into Valley Ranch wearing a polka dot shortness
Speaker 3: sleep for other So yeah, and I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 3: there's a there's more that goes into.
Speaker 2: Drafting the personality. I'd call that bad fashion.
Speaker 5: And there was no other running back taken between Blair
Speaker 5: Thomas and EMMITTT.
Speaker 3: Smith. But that there's back on the figuring out who
Speaker 3: to draft, right there's more that goes into it than
Speaker 3: just what you see on tape there and whatever their
Speaker 3: stats are, and a lot of it is their command
Speaker 3: and their charisma and and their what's between the years,
Speaker 3: see how smart they are.
Speaker 5: He had the nerve, speaking of that, to hold out
Speaker 5: until the Tuesday before the season opener.
Speaker 2: M Well, he must have come out of college with
Speaker 2: some good numbers. He must have had some really.
Speaker 5: Good did everybody who's worried about his size, I don't know.
Speaker 5: If he was five ten, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 5: think he was fine running back. And they worried about
Speaker 5: his speed, right, And it's like when I and then
Speaker 5: I watched him play for two years and it's like,
Speaker 5: is anybody catching him from behind?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 5: He knew how to run, sounds like And everybody said, well,
Speaker 5: he had such a good line. Uh at at at
Speaker 5: Florida and oh, by the way, I said, oh, can
Speaker 5: you can you have a good line in high school?
Speaker 5: And then Florida and then the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, Emmett just ran for eighty
Speaker 3: eight hundred and four yards, the second most yardage in
Speaker 3: the history of American high school football at the time.
Speaker 3: Growing up in Florida, and then like the national high
Speaker 3: school Player of the Year, and then at Florida. Let
Speaker 3: me find his numbers.
Speaker 2: And I remember at Florida it was so humid every
Speaker 2: game he played in and his he just he looked
Speaker 2: like Huod was all over him all the time. Grass
Speaker 2: stains in mud jersey. If I'm not mistaken, I know
Speaker 2: I saw his jersey torn a couple of times. He
Speaker 2: was just one of those guys, man that give it
Speaker 2: to again, give it to it again. I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 2: can't stop this young.
Speaker 3: We only held fifty eight Florida school records at the
Speaker 3: conclusion of his college career, nearly four thousand yards rushing
Speaker 3: three years.
Speaker 2: Right, he came out early, that's all. I was just
Speaker 2: toting that rock, toting that rock, toting that rock. And
Speaker 2: it wasn't always pretty, matter of fact, most of the
Speaker 2: time it was ugly.
Speaker 3: In fact, in the era of running backs, from herschel
Speaker 3: Walker to Bo Jackson, I mean Emmett Smith, even though
Speaker 3: he may not have had the combine numbers that a
Speaker 3: herschel Walker or a bo Jackson would have. As far
Speaker 3: as his accomplishments, I mean second to none.
Speaker 5: And speaking of the Cowboys being lucky, Jimmy wanted James
Speaker 5: Franz right the linebacker Baylor. They tried to trade to
Speaker 5: the Raiders to get ahead of Cincinnati, and the asking
Speaker 5: price francis asking price was too high, so they were like, no,
Speaker 5: we need players. So the next pick after they couldn't
Speaker 5: make the trade, Cincinnati takes James Francis. The Cowboys had
Speaker 5: already had an arrangement with the next pick, which was
Speaker 5: Kansas City, that if James Francis was there, they were
Speaker 5: going to make a trade to get them at I
Speaker 5: want to say thirteen. Well, Cincinnati takes them at twelve.
Speaker 5: And Jimmy called Cincinnati and tried to make a trade
Speaker 5: for James Francis and Cincinnati goes, nah, we're good, We're good.
Speaker 5: And so now they would have to wait till twenty one.
Speaker 5: And Walt Yuworski and John Wooton basically told them, if
Speaker 5: you don't get ahead of Green Bay, the running backs
Speaker 5: are going to go off the board. Pittsburgh wanted a
Speaker 5: tight end. Was it green Okay, let's go with it,
Speaker 5: and anyway, and they convinced him that everybody's going to
Speaker 5: take a running back when you get to twenty one,
Speaker 5: you'll get your tight end. So they made the trade,
Speaker 5: got Emmett, and Pittsburgh got their tight end.
Speaker 2: We almost had two Francis's on the team at once.
Speaker 3: Ron Francis.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he would have been yeah, because he was already here.
Speaker 5: They got him in eighty seven, wasn't it. Oh maybe
Speaker 5: eighty eight in the second round?
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: So, speaking of going back to Emmett and well, all
Speaker 3: that he accomplished, here's the other thing, like Derrick Henry. Okay,
Speaker 3: how is Derrick Henry the forty fifth pick in the
Speaker 3: draft in twenty sixteen, second round, forty fifth pick in
Speaker 3: the draft. When you consider what a physical specimen he
Speaker 3: is and his his production going back to high school
Speaker 3: in Florida and college at Alabama, I mean, it was
Speaker 3: just through that what made you Because because Emmett had
Speaker 3: the national national high school record for yards game, well,
Speaker 3: Derrick Henry broke it.
Speaker 2: I mean he had to.
Speaker 3: He broke He broke herschel Walker single season college rushing
Speaker 3: record in the SEC. He's at the national high school
Speaker 3: football record for career rushing yards. But here is just
Speaker 3: another example of sometimes they do too much thinking. Okay,
Speaker 3: this guy has been just top from from youth league
Speaker 3: to high school to college. What makes you think he's
Speaker 3: not gonna be able to do it in the NFL too?
Speaker 2: Whatever?
Speaker 3: By the way, Derreck Henry, first time he done to basketball?
Speaker 3: How old do you think he was?
Speaker 2: Twelve? Yep?
Speaker 3: Sixth grade?
Speaker 2: You line?
Speaker 3: Sixth grade? He dunked a basketball?
Speaker 2: How about that? All right?
Speaker 4: Green was right?
Speaker 3: Eric Green, very good.
Speaker 2: Bill didn't care.
Speaker 4: He went with Green.
Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 5: his ACL repair? Bum Boom boom doctor Dan Cooper.
Speaker 2: Alright, alrighty, So that got a little inside information on
Speaker 2: this cornerback.
Speaker 5: Uh, there were some places I saw where he was
Speaker 5: ranked the fourth corner in the draft even though he
Speaker 5: played only three games last year six two one four.
Speaker 5: Had to go to juco get his grades, get his
Speaker 5: grades right, and uh.
Speaker 3: To Lewisburg College before transferring to East Carolina, Louisbourg. It's
Speaker 3: in lewis North Carolina, North Carolina.
Speaker 5: But get this, when he did his to get to
Speaker 5: get to East Carolina, he did East Carolina did a
Speaker 5: prospect camp. He was working in a warehouse for Amazon,
Speaker 5: and he and his dad drove overnight. When he finished
Speaker 5: the ship shift to East Carolina, he ran a four
Speaker 5: to four forty. He had eleven foot drop broad jump
Speaker 5: thirty nine vertical in his arms. This is post edgey, No,
Speaker 5: this is before he even got to East Carolina.
Speaker 3: So this is going back four years ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he he did a His arms were I
Speaker 5: think it said thirty two and five eighths yes, inches.
Speaker 5: So somebody he may be a second round pick.
Speaker 4: But does this team need a cornerback?
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, he ready to play coming out the ACLA.
Speaker 5: He will be because he did it in the third
Speaker 5: game of the year, third game, so September.
Speaker 3: It will be twelve months by the time the March
Speaker 3: April May regular season opener, be about twelve months post surgery.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they'll know time, and they'll know because Coop
Speaker 5: did the surgery.
Speaker 4: So that caught my eye.
Speaker 3: When when you get your running back, then if you're
Speaker 3: going to take him in the second round, you're gonna
Speaker 3: get you're gonna take your running back in the first
Speaker 3: round or the third round.
Speaker 4: I can do either.
Speaker 2: Why can't you take the cornerback lower? Do you think
Speaker 2: it'll be there? I don't know.
Speaker 3: Fielm naked to the third It looks like he's listed
Speaker 3: as second or third round.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: It was just the name that caught my eye, and
Speaker 5: he was somebody that they were supposed to bring in.
Speaker 2: A visit.
Speaker 4: Chevron Revel Junior.
Speaker 3: Apparently it's pronounced even though it's spelled s h A
Speaker 3: v O n, it's savone, so I guess the h
Speaker 3: is silent sav oh, not chave. Okay, sube. Now, Dame
Speaker 3: Brugler and the Beast needed to say, how do you
Speaker 3: pronounce the last name? Is it revel or is it
Speaker 3: revel anyway, maybe it'll be something. We got that out
Speaker 3: a week from Friday.
Speaker 2: We'll find out.
Speaker 5: So you mentioned defensive end.
Speaker 2: Uh huh?
Speaker 5: What about the guy from an M Stewart, Well, there's.
Speaker 3: A couple, but start is the one you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Here's the first round he's got the the guy also
Speaker 3: have Nick Skorton. They also have Shamar Turner, who is
Speaker 3: a tweiner between an end and a tackle. But Stewart
Speaker 3: has he tested unbelievably well, tremendous athleticism.
Speaker 4: Did I read that?
Speaker 5: He tested better than his performance.
Speaker 3: Was and his production has not been good. Although he
Speaker 3: did impact plays, it didn't result he didn't finish the
Speaker 3: plays with sacks because he only had one and a
Speaker 3: half sacks this year at A and M. In fact,
Speaker 3: all three years at A and M he has had
Speaker 3: one and a half sacks each year. It's for a
Speaker 3: total of four and a half sacks in his career.
Speaker 3: So the production has not matched a first round draft pick.
Speaker 3: But he is six five, two hundred and sixty seven
Speaker 3: pounds and ran a four five nine forty with a
Speaker 3: forty vertical and a ten eleven broad jump at the combine.
Speaker 3: It's a defensive end defensive end sixty five two hundred
Speaker 3: and sixty seven pounds Schamar Stewart out of Texas A
Speaker 3: and M.
Speaker 4: He's de marcus ware although well where two hundred?
Speaker 3: In fact, where was two hundred and fifty pounds? Stuart's
Speaker 3: too hundred. He weighed in at two sixty seven. He
Speaker 3: played at two eighty five at A and M, So
Speaker 3: he's uh so if you're looking for a base defensive end.
Speaker 3: He was used a lot inside as well at four
Speaker 3: I technique at A and M, which also affects his production.
Speaker 3: But he was a disruptor in there, and so there's
Speaker 3: a lot of teams doing a lot of homework on him.
Speaker 3: He's a guy that I mean, the traits, the explosion numbers,
Speaker 3: all of that says screams first round draft pick, but
Speaker 3: production doesn't. And so you have to dig in and
Speaker 3: figure out why was he like that? Another thing that
Speaker 3: sometimes can he left the Senior Bowl early, and so
Speaker 3: some teams will knock.
Speaker 2: Him on that. Why did he do that?
Speaker 3: He didn't he showed up and then he I think
Speaker 3: he may have left early in that he didn't even
Speaker 3: participate in the workouts, but I may be wrong on that.
Speaker 4: Well, but I thought listening to.
Speaker 5: Brian Schottenheimer talking about quarterbacks and their Pro days, and
Speaker 5: he said, I don't worry about the pro day workout.
Speaker 4: I got to for the quarterback. I got to watch film.
Speaker 5: I got to see what they did when they were playing,
Speaker 5: because I've seen, well, I watched quinn Ewers Pro Day.
Speaker 4: I've seen a couple on TV. And you know, and as.
Speaker 5: Schottenheimer said, when they were trying to decide.
Speaker 4: Who to take in.
Speaker 5: Two thousand and four, was that the Philip? And he
Speaker 5: was in with the Chargers at that time, and he said,
Speaker 5: after we drafted, I asked.
Speaker 4: Him, what was your pro day workout like?
Speaker 5: And Rivers goes, are you kidding me? He goes, I
Speaker 5: could have done that in my sleep. Everything's pre ordained.
Speaker 5: You know what you're doing on every pass that you throw.
Speaker 5: He goes, The pro day workouts doesn't mean anything. I
Speaker 5: got to see it on Philms.
Speaker 3: By the way, you mentioned Philip Rivers. My guy, Riley Leonard,
Speaker 3: the quarterback from Notre Dame, lives three miles from no
Speaker 3: Way Fair Hope, Alabama, the hometown of leon Lett. Right.
Speaker 3: And in fact, this shows the leadership qualities. Last summer
Speaker 3: after he transferred to Notre Dame from Duke. He brought
Speaker 3: all his receivers and running backs to Alabama and they
Speaker 3: trained with Philip Rivers.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, been a weekend at Philip Rivers Place. The connections.
Speaker 3: Uh huh. That's what I like in my quarterback too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some stack qualities there.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this Sevelle. Yeah, he is tight coverage,
Speaker 2: tight coverage down the field, short routes, long routes, blitzes
Speaker 2: a lot. Really, he's good. Yes, he cornerback.
Speaker 5: So sometimes when guys don't have a bunch of interceptions,
Speaker 5: they're just not throwing over there.
Speaker 2: They're not throwing on him. They're trying to go deep
Speaker 2: on him. He is hip to hip with everybody that
Speaker 2: he's down. They quit thrown out, Yes they did.
Speaker 3: All right, I'm giving you a homework as sigmon.
Speaker 2: The last half of the season. Yeah, that strikes season.
Speaker 3: All right, I'm giving you a homework assignment. I'm going
Speaker 3: to give you some names and I'll text them to
Speaker 3: you after the show. But here's some names. You're Laurie
Speaker 3: looked at Revel.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: I want to get Will Johnson. Go ahead, Will Johnson
Speaker 3: from Michigan who is a first round prospect. Maxwell Harriston,
Speaker 3: a slot corner from Kentucky who ran a four to
Speaker 3: eight with a thirty nine and a half vertical.
Speaker 4: There's Revel on the screen right now.
Speaker 2: He can go man and he's tight coverage everywhere.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, and Trey Amos from Ole miss I wonder
Speaker 3: you and I want you to take and joh Day
Speaker 3: Barron from Texas. There's another first round prospect. Johnson and
Speaker 3: Baron are guys that Cowboys might consider at twelve. Harriston
Speaker 3: would be a second rounder, as would Amos. And I
Speaker 3: want to get your take next Monday on what you
Speaker 3: think about those guys.
Speaker 2: This guy can track the ball in the air. He
Speaker 2: can tracked the ball. Thank you.
Speaker 3: So you've got five cornerback okay, ever sen assignment for
Speaker 3: next Monday. There's five cornerbacks he's going to look at.
Speaker 3: He's already looking at one in Savon Revel from East Carolina,
Speaker 3: Will Johnson from Michigan, a first round prospect, jaw Dave
Speaker 3: Barron from Texas first round prospect and second round prospects
Speaker 3: Maxwell Harriston of Kentucky as well as Trey Amos from
Speaker 3: Ole miss I could give you one yea Thomas's brother
Speaker 3: too from Florida State, Osrea Thomas. Okay, he's another second rounder. Okay,
Speaker 3: so we're going to figure this out next Monday.
Speaker 5: And the reason we brought up cornerbacks because they have
Speaker 5: a need for cornerbacks. Yes, they do a big time
Speaker 5: need because we don't know about Trayvon Diggs health at
Speaker 5: the beginning of the season.
Speaker 2: And of course George and he needs he can track
Speaker 2: it down the field.
Speaker 5: He needs to be here Trayvon Dix. Yes, that just
Speaker 5: like that, that rehab needs to be going on here. Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, all right, because after Deron.
Speaker 3: Bland, he's going into his contract here.
Speaker 4: What do you got, I know you traded for career.
Speaker 3: My guy, Josh Butler's set off in a cl a
Speaker 3: late season A c l at.
Speaker 5: That, Caitlin Carson. Can he get his confidence back?
Speaker 2: There's your boy, man.
Speaker 5: Awesomewhere from the first year to the second.
Speaker 2: Year, the speed out of the Highway man.
Speaker 3: All right, we ran out of time. We're pastime here.
Speaker 3: Thank you Chris Well, thanks to our producer Supreme Chris.
Speaker 5: And boy he said all those guys we were talking
Speaker 5: about on video and even when we were talking about
Speaker 5: Shad Sanders. NFL Network put.
Speaker 3: Them on as well. Chador is visiting the Raiders today.
Speaker 3: I wonder what Tom Brady thinks about Shador Sanders. We'll
Speaker 3: have reports about that, all right. That does it for
Speaker 3: mixed shot saying we will shout at you again next
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