Speaker 1: Pushkin. Mike Schanoda took a bold step last fall when
Speaker 1: he reintroduced Lincoln Park with a new lineup featuring drummer
Speaker 1: Colin Britten and singer Emily Armstrong as lead vocalist, taking
Speaker 1: the role once held by Chester Bennington. Mike, who co
Speaker 1: founded Lincoln Park in ninety six, has long served as
Speaker 1: the group's de facto producer, as well as as MC
Speaker 1: and keyboardist. The band rose to massive success in the
Speaker 1: two thousands with the run of new metal albums that
Speaker 1: have collectively sold more than ten million copies worldwide. In November,
Speaker 1: Lincoln Park released From Zero, their eighth studio album and
Speaker 1: the first with Emily as front woman. The records already
Speaker 1: surpassed three billion streams online. On today's episode, Lea Rose
Speaker 1: talks to Mike Shanoda about why he chose not to
Speaker 1: retire Lincoln Park and instead took the creative risk of
Speaker 1: reinventing the band nearly thirty years after its formation. Mike
Speaker 1: also shares his favorite Lincoln Park songs of all time
Speaker 1: and explains how the band managed to stand apart from
Speaker 1: the bro centric frat boy culture that defined much of
Speaker 1: early two thousand's new metal this is Broken Record, real musicians,
Speaker 1: real conversations. Here's Lea Rose and Mike Shanoda.
Speaker 2: I was listening back to your last interview on Broken Records.
Speaker 2: So the last time you were on was twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one in March, and you were very much in your
Speaker 2: Twitch era, like, you know, five days a week on there, grinding,
Speaker 2: producing new music with people that you were meeting online,
Speaker 2: and you seemed like super pumped about it. So how
Speaker 2: did that transition into Lincoln Park, finding Emily and the
Speaker 2: band starting up again?
Speaker 3: Where do I even start? So? I was doing you know,
Speaker 3: after twenty twenty, I was doing some I was doing
Speaker 3: Twitch live streams here actually on this setup, and I
Speaker 3: I made songs with the fans. I like they would
Speaker 3: throw ideas out, I'd make make tracks out of their ideas,
Speaker 3: and yeah we did. I did some fun stuff there.
Speaker 3: And at a certain point, you know, I was also
Speaker 3: starting to do sessions with other artists, like writing and producing,
Speaker 3: and I was making starting to make my own stuff
Speaker 3: again very quietly and really not putting any names on it,
Speaker 3: like just making the most random like stuff that you'd
Speaker 3: never even expect me to make.
Speaker 2: What did it sound like.
Speaker 3: The most I mean, well, some of it sounded like
Speaker 3: Lincoln Park. Some of it sounded like me experimenting, like
Speaker 3: I've done a few different like projects for it, minor
Speaker 3: my own solo stuff, and there were elements of all
Speaker 3: those things going on. But I had kept in touch
Speaker 3: with all the guys in the band, and we had
Speaker 3: gotten together, and then like it kind of just like
Speaker 3: nothing was there. Like we would get together for a
Speaker 3: little bit and then you know, people just wouldn't show
Speaker 3: up or call back or whatever. And that happened every
Speaker 3: every a couple maybe like once a year or a
Speaker 3: couple of times a year. And sometime around I'm gonna
Speaker 3: guess it was like twenty twenty three, I started really
Speaker 3: talking to Joe and Dave like that. I could tell
Speaker 3: that they were really ready to do something, and I
Speaker 3: was as well.
Speaker 2: So when you all made the decision to come back together,
Speaker 2: was it more just to kind of see what happens
Speaker 2: or was it like, all right, we're going to do
Speaker 2: an album, we're reuniting, we're getting a new singer, we're
Speaker 2: going to go on tour.
Speaker 3: Was it like a whole that very opposite of that.
Speaker 3: It was the opposite of that, because we were like
Speaker 3: we really wanted to take the like pressure, it's so
Speaker 3: much pressure to like to like start Lincoln Park again totally,
Speaker 3: that's a very big idea, and it was it's like scary.
Speaker 3: It was scary, and it was like there are too
Speaker 3: many things could be go wrong and there were too
Speaker 3: many questions. So we really just we really just approached
Speaker 3: it like following like little glimmers of interest, you know,
Speaker 3: like whatever seemed seemed like it held our attention and
Speaker 3: we wanted to do more of it. We just follow
Speaker 3: those things. And even when we had people come in,
Speaker 3: we never said it was Lincoln Park. It was like
Speaker 3: they'd see it be it'd be you know, me Joe
Speaker 3: Dave in the room. But even if it was just
Speaker 3: me in the room, like obviously I would, we would
Speaker 3: never like I shouldn't I shouldn't I say obviously, because
Speaker 3: it's like if there's just one of if it's just me,
Speaker 3: then the question is less of an elephant in the room,
Speaker 3: but if it's three of us, it's more of an
Speaker 3: elephant in the room, like is this a Lincoln Park session?
Speaker 3: So yeah, when we first started, it was like that,
Speaker 3: you know, we would just kind of get together with
Speaker 3: people and mess around and again like some of the
Speaker 3: stuff kind of like to somebody else's here, maybe it
Speaker 3: sounded like it could be a Lincoln Bark song, but
Speaker 3: definitely to ours. We were kind of exploring different I
Speaker 3: don't know, esthetic or a different like creative path. And
Speaker 3: then yeah, and then slowly like we started to like
Speaker 3: we had met Emily. I had met Emily like back
Speaker 3: in like almost like twenty eighteen nineteen I think it was,
Speaker 3: and just kept in touch. She was going to do
Speaker 3: another Dead Sarah record. She did that and then got
Speaker 3: like just reconnected and started bringing her in with the
Speaker 3: other guys in different combinations. We'd have, you know, get
Speaker 3: together with different writers or something, and really it Galvin,
Speaker 3: I when it was like just when Brad came into
Speaker 3: and it was just like the six of us in
Speaker 3: the room, then it was really it felt like, oh,
Speaker 3: I want to do this every day, Like it's the best. Wow.
Speaker 2: She is so awesome?
Speaker 3: Yea is she?
Speaker 2: Like there's something special about that woman. She's incredible. She's
Speaker 2: incredible to watch. She's an awesome performer. Like I feel
Speaker 2: like you just struck gold and it's so awesome to
Speaker 2: bring a woman in Lincoln Park is so like I
Speaker 2: look at your old photos and it's just like, dudes,
Speaker 2: it's like energy, dude energy.
Speaker 3: It's funny because we were in the context of like
Speaker 3: the bands and the and the festivals and the shows
Speaker 3: that we were doing. We were the least broy bros
Speaker 3: of the of the lineup, Like we were on these
Speaker 3: shows with like it was like oz Fest, yeah, and
Speaker 3: like people were just like waking up getting drunk, like
Speaker 3: blacking out and then waking up next morning and chugging
Speaker 3: a pedia lighte to like rehydrate and then drink again.
Speaker 3: And we were just sitting there in our bus like
Speaker 3: isolating ourselves because we didn't there were only like a
Speaker 3: handful of people on those tours that we were like, oh,
Speaker 3: like these are kind of our people, yea, And I
Speaker 3: have nothing against like all those folks from those from
Speaker 3: those tours, like a lot of really sweet performers, great
Speaker 3: great dudes in bands, though, like you were saying, like
Speaker 3: the energy was very masculine energy. The crews were all
Speaker 3: bros with tattoos and beer guts, and like that wasn't
Speaker 3: our even way back in like two thousand and two,
Speaker 3: two thousand and three, that wasn't really our scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the I was looking at the photos
Speaker 2: for Hybrid Theory, and I guess it was like the
Speaker 2: photo that was on the back of the CD maybe
Speaker 2: at first, and I was thinking about you because you've
Speaker 2: always been sort of like the art director for the band.
Speaker 3: Right me and Joe. Yeah, Joe and I had met
Speaker 3: in college. We both studied illustration and he left to
Speaker 3: go do film and I stayed and finished my I
Speaker 3: got my my bachelor's.
Speaker 2: So very visual. Do you remember like what your thought
Speaker 2: was for the aesthetic of the band in those early
Speaker 2: days for like that shoot?
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. The first meeting we had with the label
Speaker 3: about the aesthetic, like what art direction we'd like to
Speaker 3: kind of go in with with Hybrid Theory. You know,
Speaker 3: the folks that we already knew were they had said
Speaker 3: to the to the art department, Oh, these guys like
Speaker 3: they you know, a couple of the guys went to
Speaker 3: art school, so they take this pretty seriously and then
Speaker 3: they know more about it than your average band. Like
Speaker 3: Mike has done. He designed like, you know, single covers
Speaker 3: and CD covers for a few artists. So oh that's
Speaker 3: it was like little little hip hop groups like Styles
Speaker 3: of Beyond and a Carnadian rapper named Soccrates a couple
Speaker 3: of things. I don't remember what else I did, but
Speaker 3: you know, just enough enough. I felt like I knew
Speaker 3: enough to like have have a more detailed conversation about it.
Speaker 3: And also I didn't want to be like drawing the
Speaker 3: covers because that wasn't really the aesthetic we were going for.
Speaker 3: And then we like we realized that there's this guy
Speaker 3: named Frank Maddox who he had done like the Deaftones stuff,
Speaker 3: which we thought was so cool. White Pony looked incredible,
Speaker 3: So we started meeting with Frank and one of the
Speaker 3: things we all bonded on super early was like this
Speaker 3: new thing that was going on called street art is
Speaker 3: what there was basically like an elevated version of graffiti,
Speaker 3: but like a lot of illustrators and people with that
Speaker 3: kind of talent were moving into the graffiti world. And
Speaker 3: you had characters like Banksy showing up yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: and obays stickers were actually on at the time MTV,
Speaker 3: Like they were showing up in the background of things
Speaker 3: on MTV. And I don't even know if MTV knew
Speaker 3: that that was happening, but people like us, we were like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, Shepherd's everywhere. This obey thing is so cool. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so we were that was our inspiration. I mean
Speaker 3: we really we really bonded over that, among other things.
Speaker 2: Very cool. And then how thinking about I mean, I've
Speaker 2: seen a lot of people say that from zero is
Speaker 2: sort of maybe in ways referencing hybrid theory, and I
Speaker 2: want to ask you about the name, like from zero
Speaker 2: is that a reference at all? Obviously it's maybe starting over?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's one one meaning.
Speaker 2: Is it also Zero your first band?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So the people I feel like usually people who
Speaker 3: are like, oh yeah, it sounds like hybrid theory. They
Speaker 3: though ninety nine percent of those people don't realize that
Speaker 3: we were called zero before we were hybrid theory and
Speaker 3: that zero was that sounded like hybrid theory, Like that's
Speaker 3: theory was zero. So when we started the band, we
Speaker 3: you know, it was XCRO was the name of the band,
Speaker 3: and it was like just a very like uncooked, not
Speaker 3: quite developed version of what it became. You know, we
Speaker 3: were still figuring out the sound, and especially early early on,
Speaker 3: we just didn't have the gear, Like, we didn't have
Speaker 3: the stuff that we would need to make the things
Speaker 3: that we wanted to make. The very first deal we
Speaker 3: ever signed was a publishing deal, and we knew at
Speaker 3: that time that like signing a publishing deal so early
Speaker 3: was probably financially a terrible idea, but we also didn't
Speaker 3: take the band so seriously yet, like we were just like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm just as happy like going back to my day job,
Speaker 3: like and playing music on the weekends, Like I'm doing
Speaker 3: this because it's fun and because I like the stuff
Speaker 3: we're making. So if we signed this publishing deal, we
Speaker 3: can all buy new gear and actually make the stuff
Speaker 3: we want to make. And so we bought you know,
Speaker 3: we bought a new sampler, we bought a new guitar, cabinet,
Speaker 3: new guitar, new bass, new drums, new and we for
Speaker 3: the first time we had pro tools on a computer
Speaker 3: at home, and I was the guy. I was the
Speaker 3: pro tools guy. So I was learning that and learning
Speaker 3: about how to have engineer or how to produce a song.
Speaker 3: Everyone we ever worked with, I was just like like
Speaker 3: picking their brain about you know, how do you do this,
Speaker 3: how do you do that? And learning on the fly.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, because that's pre YouTube tutorials,
Speaker 2: so it's not like you could just like, yeah, so
Speaker 2: you had.
Speaker 3: To get the info from somebody who was doing it,
Speaker 3: I mean, and I wasn't in a position to intern
Speaker 3: I had bills to pay, and we our band was
Speaker 3: starting to have like real fans by the maybe by
Speaker 3: the dozens at that point. I don't think by the
Speaker 3: hundreds at that point, but yeah, we were called zero.
Speaker 3: And so when fast forward to like, you know, twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four, when we were making this album, it was
Speaker 3: funny because the band we were making the band, you know,
Speaker 3: at the same time that we were making the album,
Speaker 3: like the band was coming into focus while the music
Speaker 3: was coming into focus, and so we were learning about
Speaker 3: like different things that our new lineup could do. There
Speaker 3: were like combinations of different people in the when you
Speaker 3: put us together and that played a certain way, it
Speaker 3: sounded new and interesting, and so for that, you know,
Speaker 3: that was one of the reasons why we gravitated towards
Speaker 3: the name, because it did feel like a restart and
Speaker 3: a return to some of the things that we really
Speaker 3: loved in the beginning.
Speaker 2: Were you hesitant at all to bring a woman in
Speaker 2: since I don't know, I mean, it's a big change,
Speaker 2: but it's not a big deal. But for some people
Speaker 2: it may be a big deal, Like.
Speaker 3: It was funny because I didn't I didn't mention it
Speaker 3: to any of my friends, like I didn't want anyone
Speaker 3: to know that that's what we were considering, really, And
Speaker 3: I started to notice every time somebody would talk about
Speaker 3: a band that had a female singer, I started to
Speaker 3: notice the way they would talk about them. And in particular,
Speaker 3: the thing that I noticed more that people won't say
Speaker 3: in an interview or on Twitter or whatever they what
Speaker 3: they won't say is that it's that whole thing about
Speaker 3: when a woman who's in that kind of a position
Speaker 3: like asserts herself. You see it in corporate culture too.
Speaker 3: She asserts herself, she's bitchy all of a sudden, like
Speaker 3: they call her, they they they characterize her a certain way.
Speaker 3: And so when I was like when we started like
Speaker 3: thinking about Emily, I was noticing that. And and you know,
Speaker 3: she has a very she she like sails back and
Speaker 3: forth between like very low key and like go with
Speaker 3: the flow, and then right into like very confident, like
Speaker 3: badass who knows what she's doing, and she's and that
Speaker 3: was I think that was one of the things that
Speaker 3: we really enjoyed as we were starting to get to
Speaker 3: know each other, it's like, oh, she's always that whatever
Speaker 3: that ebb and flow is of when she wants to
Speaker 3: be in the front seat and when she wants in
Speaker 3: the backseat and when she like has an opinion but
Speaker 3: she doesn't want to be forceful. It's like very it
Speaker 3: locks right in with our our energy too.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people to lock in with, like
Speaker 2: because six is a lot, yes.
Speaker 3: A lot of three people and they can't get along
Speaker 3: twice as many.
Speaker 2: Yes, what did your wife say? Or just people close
Speaker 2: to you when you were like, all right, we're doing
Speaker 2: this again. It's starting up.
Speaker 3: It was a very slow It came about very slowly
Speaker 3: and gradually many months, many months. So it wasn't like us,
Speaker 3: we're not snap decision kind of folks. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 3: to our you know, benefit and our detriment. Like I
Speaker 3: think people know that about us. So sometimes we take
Speaker 3: time with things, and this was definitely a thing we
Speaker 3: wanted to take so much time with. Yeah, and yeah,
Speaker 3: it was just like you know, getting in the room,
Speaker 3: getting in the room talking and we'd end up like
Speaker 3: working on something. Some days we work on stuff and
Speaker 3: just like for like forget what we were there for.
Speaker 3: We'd just be talking and talking and talking and be like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, we've been sitting here just like hanging
Speaker 3: out for four hours, like we really ought to, like
Speaker 3: work on a song.
Speaker 2: It's also like coming out of the pandemic and people
Speaker 2: have been isolated for so long, Like I remember those
Speaker 2: early days conversations where you're like, oh wow, I can't
Speaker 2: be I.
Speaker 3: Mean, definitely, I think that was definitely it too. But
Speaker 3: but but we you know, we had such a good
Speaker 3: We really enjoyed the process of making this album. And
Speaker 3: not every album that we've made is that way, you know,
Speaker 3: I think notoriously, Like Hybrid Theory was like painful to make.
Speaker 3: Minutes Midnight, our third album, was also pretty painful to make.
Speaker 3: It was fare it was Hybrid Theory because it was short, fast,
Speaker 3: and everybody was like fighting against us on everything. And
Speaker 3: Minutes Midnight was tough because it was very very slow
Speaker 3: and long and like eighteen months and one hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty demos and us tearing our hair out trying to
Speaker 3: reinvent our band. And so since we had those experiences,
Speaker 3: I think we were able to like Harness the best
Speaker 3: outlook like it was like, we knew how to do
Speaker 3: a difficult thing and not be miserable doing it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: does that make sense? So we did very very difficult thing,
Speaker 3: but we enjoyed every minute.
Speaker 2: Speaking of difficult things. When I was researching you and
Speaker 2: just watching interviews with you and just thinking about you
Speaker 2: in this band and your history and your career, you
Speaker 2: so could have easily just like rode off into the
Speaker 2: sunset enjoyed your success. But I feel like you're not
Speaker 2: scared to do difficult things, and reinventing the band in
Speaker 2: a way is like super super hard. But maybe that's
Speaker 2: when you work best, when you're back is against the
Speaker 2: wall and people are doubting you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that the thing that one of the
Speaker 3: things that really drove us is the idea that if
Speaker 3: we had just like hung it up and said, Okay,
Speaker 3: that was a good run and call it quits, that
Speaker 3: is such a like a shitty way to end, for
Speaker 3: the band to end or stop making new music. That
Speaker 3: is like an awful story, like no one wants to
Speaker 3: read that book. And instead to be able to say,
Speaker 3: like and then the guys dusted themselves up off and
Speaker 3: got up again, Like that to me is exactly the
Speaker 3: book I want to read. Like that's the thing that's
Speaker 3: the hardest to do and the most intimidating, the most challenging,
Speaker 3: the most that could go wrong. Yes, honestly, and for
Speaker 3: ourselves and for our like our kids, for our fans,
Speaker 3: like to do it, to do it and say, yeah,
Speaker 3: we took huge risks on this, Like there's so much
Speaker 3: about the new like the new music, the new lineup
Speaker 3: and everything else that is I mean even before we
Speaker 3: even like put out, before anybody knew anything, we were like, okay,
Speaker 3: here's a laundry list of the things that people are
Speaker 3: not gonna like, Oh what was that? All of the
Speaker 3: things that they all of the things that they ended
Speaker 3: up not liking, like all the things that anybody on
Speaker 3: the internet argued about and continues to argue about about
Speaker 3: our band. If anyone thinks that we didn't think of
Speaker 3: those things, they're crazy, Like, I we live and breathe
Speaker 3: this band. We thought of all those things, and we know, Okay,
Speaker 3: that's that's is that. Okay, that's gonna be okay, right,
Speaker 3: Like they're gonna they're gonna like they open mouth, breather
Speaker 3: neck beard. Misogynist metal fan who loved our band, who
Speaker 3: loved our first two records and hasn't listened to the
Speaker 3: band since. But like thinks he's a Lincoln Park fan.
Speaker 3: He's gonna hate this band and like be vocal about it.
Speaker 3: So that's okay, like great, because that person's gonna get
Speaker 3: rid placed by ostensibly like a fifteen year old girl
Speaker 3: who's like, I've never been into like loud music before
Speaker 3: and I want to learn to play guitar now totally,
Speaker 3: and that is I mean, I love that.
Speaker 2: I love that too.
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more from Mike Shinoda and le
Speaker 1: Rose after the break.
Speaker 2: How did you think about the art direction of the
Speaker 2: of from zero? Do you think about, like are you
Speaker 2: granular down to like how everybody is dressing or can
Speaker 2: everybody just wear whatever they want?
Speaker 3: The former I'm granular, I'm granular down to font kerning,
Speaker 3: I'm I get down into like I don't like the
Speaker 3: shade of color that's underneath this body of text and
Speaker 3: we need to Yeah, can you change it? Like even
Speaker 3: the like the photos and stuff, I was like the
Speaker 3: thing we were, the thing we were, the color that
Speaker 3: we were wearing got like shifted a bit in the
Speaker 3: photo and like I want to pull out the change
Speaker 3: up the colors, to pull out more of those that palette.
Speaker 3: I love it, but it's also like I do have
Speaker 3: to like at a certain point cut myself off. That's
Speaker 3: just my personality. I have to like intentionally stop, yeah,
Speaker 3: getting into the weeds on things. I love our our
Speaker 3: the art that we that we make for our albums
Speaker 3: and for our merchandise and stuff. Joe and Frank and
Speaker 3: I like get you know, we we get so excited
Speaker 3: to do it and get in the weeds on how
Speaker 3: how to make it Like our dms, our texts, our
Speaker 3: Pinterest boards or whatever are chaotic, but but like very
Speaker 3: full of energy and full of life.
Speaker 2: So when you're bringing in a new lead singer, you also,
Speaker 2: since you're so visual, you also have to like their look. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that makes it even harder. You could find someone
Speaker 2: who sounds incredible, who's incredible songwriter, right, but they have
Speaker 2: to have a look like she has such an awesome look.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Fortunate, it was very fortunate that we didn't have
Speaker 3: to worry about that with her. Yeah, Like that's my
Speaker 3: favorite thing. Actually, my favorite thing about about having about
Speaker 3: that part of our our band dynamic now is that
Speaker 3: when we're making a female item for like our web store,
Speaker 3: then I can just like shoot the things to them
Speaker 3: and be like, hey, do you like this? Would you
Speaker 3: wear this? Or like we sent her a bunch of
Speaker 3: blanks of T shirts and fits and whatever, and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: these these four are the good ones and the other
Speaker 3: ones that I would never wear, and so it's it's
Speaker 3: we get to have her input on those things. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's funny because if we didn't acknowledge that when why
Speaker 3: I was talking about, like the attention to detail. Different
Speaker 3: people in the band have that for different things. Emily
Speaker 3: and Colin are very easy going, and they haven't really
Speaker 3: I think they're they have this tendency to like stay
Speaker 3: to be easy going, but we keep pulling them in
Speaker 3: and be like no, like we want your opinion on
Speaker 3: these things. And it's it's happening more and more often now,
Speaker 3: which is really great. But the you know me, Joe,
Speaker 3: Dave and Brad have no problem like getting very granular. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Did it seem Was it reminiscent at all of when
Speaker 2: you were integrating Emily into the band. Did it make
Speaker 2: you remember integrating Chester into the band at all? Was
Speaker 2: there any like overlap, like where maybe the older guys.
Speaker 3: Are probably there. There were a few times when I remembered, like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: we had a similar conversation. The conversation we had with
Speaker 3: Emily today was similar to the conversation a conversation we
Speaker 3: have with Chess back in the day. Yeah, there were
Speaker 3: times when it kind of like occurred to me, but
Speaker 3: nothing that really stands out. It's just like you know,
Speaker 3: of course, I feel like, of course that's going to happen, right,
Speaker 3: because it's the same you're doing the same activity, right.
Speaker 3: But we also got to learn from that, like we're
Speaker 3: when we were like writing from zero, we were also
Speaker 3: having to have like like almost like logistical conversations about
Speaker 3: like Okay, well we're so focused on the studio and
Speaker 3: writing these songs that we've got like questions about the
Speaker 3: band that are like more touring related questions or like
Speaker 3: business related questions like what do we do? How do
Speaker 3: we handle this? And we needed to like talk more
Speaker 3: regularly and get on zooms and do that part of
Speaker 3: the thing. And like with any group of like brothers,
Speaker 3: like you get into some bad habits in terms of
Speaker 3: like communication style or like ways that you think about it.
Speaker 3: Like Dave for example. He was funny because he was
Speaker 3: just like I. He told us, I have this like
Speaker 3: mental block. I hear band meeting and I immediately gough right,
Speaker 3: Like He's like, and it's not it's not your fault.
Speaker 3: It's not that I don't like hanging out and talking
Speaker 3: about our band. It's that the one that we do
Speaker 3: a quote unquote meeting, like you're gonna go in and
Speaker 3: you're going to talk about good stuff and bad stuff
Speaker 3: and hard things and whatever and and stressful. And he's like,
Speaker 3: I've just my brain is just like put that in
Speaker 3: this like negative bucket and I need to like figure
Speaker 3: it out. So we actually went in and we we
Speaker 3: all had versions of that. So we all like had
Speaker 3: to like be do some like reflection and look at like, okay,
Speaker 3: what what would make it more enjoyable? Yeah, to like
Speaker 3: get on the you know, get on a zoom, not.
Speaker 2: A band meeting.
Speaker 3: Maybe.
Speaker 2: You know, do you guys ever have you done any
Speaker 2: sort of like therapy together or gone on a retreat
Speaker 2: or anything like that. I've heard about Obviously Mentala did
Speaker 2: the doc about it, but like her Pearl Jam goes
Speaker 2: on retreats together to work on communication.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we have a problem with authority
Speaker 3: or something, but that type of thing we've we've brushed
Speaker 3: up against it, and it doesn't It hasn't worked well
Speaker 3: for us because we just feel like the person, if
Speaker 3: there's a mediator, that they don't know us at all. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because they don't, right, So, like we know everybody's buttons,
Speaker 3: we know where all the bodies are buried, and you
Speaker 3: just so you can like totally subtly antagonize each other
Speaker 3: if you want to. And it's so for us it's been.
Speaker 3: It was much more about like, well, the problem isn't
Speaker 3: that we're we know each other so well. The problem
Speaker 3: is that you got to care a lot and be
Speaker 3: grateful that this thing is very special, and that when
Speaker 3: if you do something to to like antagonize your bandmate
Speaker 3: like you would antagonize your sibling, you're hurting yourself. I
Speaker 3: love the band. If I'm if I'm doing something that's
Speaker 3: making him or her uncomfortable or upset, then I'm hurting myself. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I think that we thankfully have a very emotionally
Speaker 3: intelligent band who can self regulate to some degree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like that. And as someone who's been
Speaker 2: on the receiving end of hate for you know, decades,
Speaker 2: not all hate, but there's been. You know, people have
Speaker 2: critical opinions. Do you find that you're less likely to
Speaker 2: do the same for other bands or like do you
Speaker 2: get involved in conversations online for artists that you love
Speaker 2: and do you ever have critical opinions?
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't like to get down in the
Speaker 3: dirt with people on stuff online, online arguments or life.
Speaker 3: Probably the biggest waste of time I can think up.
Speaker 3: So that's really not my not my cup of tea.
Speaker 3: Everybody who who reaches a lot of listeners reaches also
Speaker 3: a lot of haters. Like you can't have one and
Speaker 3: not the other. And so like for us when it first,
Speaker 3: like when we first did our launch show, that surprise
Speaker 3: show that we live streamed, I was kind of like
Speaker 3: struggling to find like, Okay, how did it get received?
Speaker 3: Because you can't go into the chaos of social media
Speaker 3: and expect to hear the actual truth. I know that
Speaker 3: the people there were having an incredible time, but also
Speaker 3: like they were really really happy. They were crying, yeah,
Speaker 3: and they were emotional, and also it's like there's a
Speaker 3: lot it's a huge change. Right, there's a lot to process,
Speaker 3: and so they were like processing in real time and
Speaker 3: then they went online and they were processing out loud
Speaker 3: and getting together with everybody else was doing the same.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't until we started getting actual numbers, like data,
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, this is this is amazing
Speaker 3: from my brain because I can I can say actually
Speaker 3: this many people are listening to it, and it actually
Speaker 3: people actually do like it.
Speaker 2: How did you guys know in the beginning with hybrid
Speaker 2: theory that it was catching on, that it was actually working.
Speaker 2: I mean the South, you know, there was sound scans
Speaker 2: so you could see how many units you were selling. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't get that, like and you know, you don't
Speaker 2: get the Internet response, which no, it's hard to measure allway.
Speaker 3: I hate the like Peanut gallery of the of social media.
Speaker 3: It's like I really don't participate. I mean my my
Speaker 3: Twitter now is like, you know, I don't like that platform.
Speaker 3: I don't like how people act on it. I rarely
Speaker 3: go on on it. I prefer Instagram. I like TikTok,
Speaker 3: but I don't actually post much on it because I
Speaker 3: don't feel like compelled to. It doesn't feel like the
Speaker 3: place for me to post very much, but I do
Speaker 3: woul like look at it. But yeah, it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: when we were getting started, like you didn't have those things,
Speaker 3: so you weren't mired by the admired in the like
Speaker 3: the chaos of people's opinions and by the way, not
Speaker 3: real opinions. You were just only getting their snap judgments, yes,
Speaker 3: and like whatever they can fit into the shortest little
Speaker 3: like couple sentences. So we didn't have that. We had
Speaker 3: like going out and playing shows, being on the road,
Speaker 3: like meeting people in person. Oh, this show had you know,
Speaker 3: we had one hundred fans. This show we had one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty fans. This show we had three hundred fans.
Speaker 3: Like we could tell from people showing up that they
Speaker 3: were that it was working.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And at the time when Lincoln Park was out,
Speaker 2: the first couple albums, one thing that really distinguished you
Speaker 2: was the lyrics and how vulnerable they were. And we
Speaker 2: were talking earlier about you know, like dude bands, and
Speaker 2: that really seems like something that was different, especially with
Speaker 2: all the male bands. Did you guys know that at
Speaker 2: the time, Was that something that you consciously was.
Speaker 3: One of the main things that we that main things
Speaker 3: that we intentionally focused on to differentiate ourselves because one
Speaker 3: of the things we one of the things we loved
Speaker 3: about what was going on and in rock music alternative
Speaker 3: music was the sound of everything. Like we really liked
Speaker 3: the sound, and we really liked the way that new
Speaker 3: bands were mixing in hip hop and electronic. But our
Speaker 3: criticism of it was that they were tourists when it
Speaker 3: came to those other genres, Like they were mixing them in,
Speaker 3: but they didn't go deep into any of those genres,
Speaker 3: Like they were just hearing like five ten songs by
Speaker 3: so and so and then like using things that they heard,
Speaker 3: Whereas that's all I listened too, and I listened to
Speaker 3: like ninety percent that and then to do rock, I
Speaker 3: was like, okay, this is like I love specific rock
Speaker 3: groups and I like all this hip hop electronic music.
Speaker 3: So one thing that was like that was a thing.
Speaker 3: And then when it came to as you were talking about,
Speaker 3: like the lyrics. One thing that we really didn't like
Speaker 3: about a lot of the bands that were coming out
Speaker 3: is that everything felt like a frat party. It was
Speaker 3: just like this like belligerent, drunk, misogynistic, I'm gonna kick
Speaker 3: your ass. Everything was I'm gonna kick your ass. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And now we were just like the least I'm gonna
Speaker 3: kick your ass group of guys, and so that's what
Speaker 3: the lyrics became. We were like, Yeah, this is we relate,
Speaker 3: this is the type of band that we relate.
Speaker 2: So smart. I heard you also say that in the
Speaker 2: early days that instead of just like going out and
Speaker 2: playing tons of shows, you guys sort of laid low
Speaker 2: and just practiced and really stared out.
Speaker 3: Because the idea was that all of the baby bands
Speaker 3: in our like in at La Area, they were out
Speaker 3: playing as much as they could because they loved playing,
Speaker 3: but they were out playing like covers, or they were
Speaker 3: out playing crappy songs that they had just thrown together
Speaker 3: that week, and they'd play every week or two weeks.
Speaker 3: We would play every few months. We would rarely play
Speaker 3: because we'd spend all that time making new songs, and
Speaker 3: then when we played, we got to play a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of new songs that would we put a ton
Speaker 3: of effort into. And I think that's certainly one of
Speaker 3: the cornerstones of what we do. Like we spend a
Speaker 3: lot a lot more time crafting a song than a
Speaker 3: lot of folks. I in fact, one of the you
Speaker 3: know earlier we were talking about when I was doing
Speaker 3: sessions with other younger artists, first thing I noticed is
Speaker 3: they don't spend enough time on their songs. They think
Speaker 3: that like they they write a song in an afternoon,
Speaker 3: and they think that going back to it like the
Speaker 3: next day or the next week and working on it
Speaker 3: another day is like, Oh, this is really like we
Speaker 3: really put the work in. Yeah, I have worked. I
Speaker 3: have songs that have been in some version of like conceptualization,
Speaker 3: like they're foggy ideas of songs. I have ones that
Speaker 3: are like ten years old, like it's not even close.
Speaker 3: I've tried like breaking the habit was notoriously a song
Speaker 3: that I had written a bunch of different I tried
Speaker 3: to write that song a bunch of different times, and
Speaker 3: the one that made the album was when I sat
Speaker 3: down and it poured out of me in like an
Speaker 3: hour and a half. I was like, oh, wow, that's
Speaker 3: the way this song is supposed to go, and it
Speaker 3: was you know. From there, then we crafted and crafted
Speaker 3: and crafted it over over weeks. Sometimes a great song
Speaker 3: does just come out very quickly, but you're lucky if
Speaker 3: it does. Like I feel like most of the time,
Speaker 3: you got to know that something's inside. It's like sculpture. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you got a big old piece of granite, and you've
Speaker 3: got to like get inside there and have a vision
Speaker 3: for what's in there. What's the secret that it's like holding.
Speaker 2: Can you remember in your career overall, any significant musical
Speaker 2: breakthroughs you've had like a moment where maybe something that
Speaker 2: wasn't working all of a sudden worked, or you figured
Speaker 2: something out and it just sort of like opened up
Speaker 2: an entire new door or direction for you.
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like it happens. That's like the
Speaker 3: thing that always brings me back to making of songs
Speaker 3: and albums is that thing, Like I'm always chasing that
Speaker 3: thing because that the moment when you go, oh, I
Speaker 3: figured out something new, or I messed around and achieved
Speaker 3: a thing like landed on a sound or a song
Speaker 3: or a lyric or a melody or something that is special.
Speaker 2: Did you always come up with all the melodies for
Speaker 2: the band?
Speaker 3: No? No, not all of them, but I do. I
Speaker 3: sit in the driver's seat in it. Like I didn't
Speaker 3: even know it was called produce. It was called producing
Speaker 3: until Rick we worked with Rick. Rick was like, oh,
Speaker 3: you're like the producer in the band, and I was
Speaker 3: like I am. That's when I started, like, you know,
Speaker 3: asking for a producer. Everybody was like, yeah, of course,
Speaker 3: I don't know why I was not aware of that's
Speaker 3: what it was. And of course it's different, like different
Speaker 3: genres of music have different definitions of what a producer is.
Speaker 3: I'm a producer in more of the more traditional like
Speaker 3: pop or rock sense, where I like to like it's
Speaker 3: almost like a curation and a direction thing, and I'm
Speaker 3: trying to like pull all the best stuff from the
Speaker 3: whole band and group of people working and like get
Speaker 3: it into the song in the most exciting and effective way.
Speaker 3: So yeah, So when when you know I do have
Speaker 3: like us, sometimes I'll come in with a lot of
Speaker 3: a song and it's like eighty percent there, and other
Speaker 3: times I come in with nothing and I just have
Speaker 3: Like the other day, I sat down with Colin and
Speaker 3: I got together. We were just screwing around making something,
Speaker 3: and all I had that I walked in with was Hey,
Speaker 3: I listened like three three These three songs came up
Speaker 3: on my phone and on shuffle today and I noticed
Speaker 3: that they had something in common, Like, let's start there,
Speaker 3: let's work on the thing that is in common in
Speaker 3: these three songs. And the thing that was in common
Speaker 3: was like it had a verse that was quiet and
Speaker 3: in loud and then quiet as loud and it worked.
Speaker 3: Like it's not, you know, any more specific than that.
Speaker 3: It's very like it's barely enough to say, let's write
Speaker 3: a song like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, last break can be back with Mike Shinoto.
Speaker 2: If you had to make a playlist, and you don't
Speaker 2: have to answer this if you think it's stupid, but
Speaker 2: if you had to make a playlist of Lincoln Parks,
Speaker 2: maybe not best songs, but songs for someone who didn't
Speaker 2: know the band at all. Like if it's an alien
Speaker 2: and you have to present a playlist or a group
Speaker 2: of like, you know, five songs, what would you share.
Speaker 3: Well, I've done this. I've done this before, Like I've
Speaker 3: been asked to like curate our you know, oh, he's
Speaker 3: gonna be on this radio station or it's gonna be
Speaker 3: on this playlist for this thing. And I'd say in general,
Speaker 3: like some of the ones that I'm really proud of
Speaker 3: that I think really sum up the band, or like
Speaker 3: most fans know that I love. Waiting for the end
Speaker 3: off of a Thousand Suns Papercut was first song on
Speaker 3: hybrid theory for a reason we were we knew that
Speaker 3: one had like that was the best signature Lincoln part,
Speaker 3: like it has all of the hallmarks of everything that
Speaker 3: we did and we're going to do for a while.
Speaker 3: There's a reason that people like in the and and
Speaker 3: what I've done, Like those are those are ones that
Speaker 3: I think you know when even when they weren't finished yet,
Speaker 3: Like when we were making them, I I remembered coming
Speaker 3: up with with the piano and the verse and the
Speaker 3: chorus melody for in the end and playing it for
Speaker 3: our our our drummer Rob at the time, and he
Speaker 3: was like he had showed up. He showed up at
Speaker 3: the rehearsal studio for a practice and I had slept
Speaker 3: it slept there overnight just trying to like it was
Speaker 3: like a like a so I guess the story is
Speaker 3: its like a like I was I basically created like
Speaker 3: a like a sensory deprivation chamber. Like it's this windowless
Speaker 3: place with like a horrible couch and like just disgusting,
Speaker 3: And I just sat in there and wrote until I
Speaker 3: didn't even know what time it was. And the thing
Speaker 3: that I came out of it that was the most
Speaker 3: exciting was in the end and he was like, this
Speaker 3: is this this is the most special song. He's like,
Speaker 3: I We've got like I've been I've been literally dreaming
Speaker 3: of a song like this for our album. Wow. So
Speaker 3: things like that, I think like we as a band,
Speaker 3: like we know when those things come up. Kind of
Speaker 3: like it kind of like speaks to the last to
Speaker 3: your last question, which is that sometimes when the when
Speaker 3: the special song is happening, like you just we get
Speaker 3: a feeling like we know. It's not about it's not
Speaker 3: like a oh people are gonna like this. I don't
Speaker 3: really operate I try actually then to not operate with
Speaker 3: that as a primary driver or like metric. It's more
Speaker 3: about like I just as the song is going, like
Speaker 3: I know that I want to listen to it. I
Speaker 3: think that's the that's really the big aha moment that happens.
Speaker 2: What song or songs do you think you've had the
Speaker 2: best performance on?
Speaker 3: Oh God, I don't know. It's funny I was thinking
Speaker 3: the other day because I was I was trying to
Speaker 3: work out a this is maybe not exactly what you're asking.
Speaker 3: But I was looking at some of the rap verses
Speaker 3: that I've done on our stuff, and some of my
Speaker 3: favorite rap verses that I've done are on deeper cuts.
Speaker 3: They're not usually on the singles, which is really too bad.
Speaker 2: What are some that come to mind?
Speaker 3: I was thinking of, Well, I have a song called
Speaker 3: Kenji off of my My fort Minor album, which is one,
Speaker 3: and then there's a song. We have a song called
Speaker 3: all for Nothing off The Hunting Party. That album was
Speaker 3: with Page Hamilton, and I got to do that with
Speaker 3: Paige this on the last tour, like we happened to
Speaker 3: be playing. We took a helmet open for us, and
Speaker 3: I was like, dude, we could finally play this song
Speaker 3: like we had. I'll learn it and stuff. Nobody even
Speaker 3: they even and Joe I had never played it before live,
Speaker 3: so or at least we hadn't in a really really
Speaker 3: long time. It wasn't a mainstay in the set. So
Speaker 3: like those verses, I really like, there's a handful of
Speaker 3: other ones, but again they're all like deep cuts.
Speaker 2: What did it mean to you as just a fan
Speaker 2: and someone who grew up listening to hip hop to
Speaker 2: do the collaboration with jay Z. Like it sounds like
Speaker 2: that maybe you weren't together too much for the collaboration,
Speaker 2: like it was sent back and forth.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean well it was fast. It didn't
Speaker 3: It didn't take much for me to put that to
Speaker 3: mash those songs up, like they were already you know,
Speaker 3: primed for that kind of approach. Yeah, similar key, similar tempo.
Speaker 3: I did most of the work on my like in
Speaker 3: the bus and Jay had been asked by MTV to
Speaker 3: do this mashup thing. They said, who do you want
Speaker 3: to deal with? He said, Lincoln Park. They reached out
Speaker 3: to us. I'm like literally made three songs, like numb
Speaker 3: OnCore was one of them. I just sent them three
Speaker 3: mashups and he was like, holy shit, And.
Speaker 2: Was that exciting for you?
Speaker 3: Were like, oh yeah, we were such fans. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: uh yeah. I like got together once we got off
Speaker 3: the road and he was available. We got together at
Speaker 3: a studio, at a studio that we always worked at,
Speaker 3: and spent I mean it was like a day basically
Speaker 3: it was like like you know, getting some new vocals
Speaker 3: on it and stuff. And maybe there was a second day.
Speaker 3: I don't remember, but like I think we were with
Speaker 3: him for like a day and then yeah, I I
Speaker 3: you know, I think Brad and I from that point,
Speaker 3: Brad and I kind of like finished up the production
Speaker 3: part of it and I mixed it and the next
Speaker 3: step was to get on stage together at the was
Speaker 3: it the Roxy or the Whiskey? I don't remember when
Speaker 3: it been the Whiskey. It was like, really it was,
Speaker 3: I think we were So he's very he's a bit
Speaker 3: aloof yes, So he he was. He wasn't like making
Speaker 3: himself super available, you know what I mean. And we
Speaker 3: did get some like hangout like like hot dinner and
Speaker 3: like we did get some good like non music time
Speaker 3: with him and his crew. But you know, the the
Speaker 3: people around him were much more effusive and vocal and
Speaker 3: like all that. Jay was very like aof is the
Speaker 3: perfect word? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is there a band that Lincoln Park really like vibes
Speaker 2: with that maybe wouldn't be obvious someone that you've or
Speaker 2: a group you've encountered on the road, or someone you've
Speaker 2: worked with in the past, where you guys are just
Speaker 2: like a crazy good fit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I always joke with Pete from Fallout Boy,
Speaker 3: A lot of people know that we're we're friendly, and
Speaker 3: Pete is just Pete's very sweet guy. He's really funny,
Speaker 3: and he also like when they first came out, I
Speaker 3: think he knows that. Like I was like, ugh, like
Speaker 3: what is this I for some reason, like when I
Speaker 3: first saw him in their first video, I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't like that guy at all. And I think
Speaker 3: he was much more like at that point, he was
Speaker 3: like really like trying to be a star. And I
Speaker 3: may have been like reacting badly to that. And eventually
Speaker 3: a mutual friend put us together and was like, I
Speaker 3: don't know why you guys haven't hung out, Like you
Speaker 3: guys are so similar, just the way you talk, the
Speaker 3: way you think and stuff, and he had like put
Speaker 3: us together, and I begrudgingly like got into a conversation
Speaker 3: with Pete and I was like, Oh, this guy's actually
Speaker 3: really great. Yeah, I mean, but there's tons, I mean,
Speaker 3: there's so many different, so many people the band, like
Speaker 3: you know gets along with I know Dave, actually, I
Speaker 3: know Dave spends a bunch of time with like Mike
Speaker 3: and Tray from Green Day and oh cool. Well, I
Speaker 3: was telling somebody the other day one of my kids
Speaker 3: friends is like obsessed with my chemical romance, and I
Speaker 3: was like, you don't even know, like they're the like
Speaker 3: Gerard in particular is like one of the sweetest guys
Speaker 3: in the world, and that tour we did with that
Speaker 3: band is like, to this day, my favorite tour that
Speaker 3: we've done because they we were so we had such
Speaker 3: a strong, like friendly competition with them. They were direct support.
Speaker 3: They played right before us and played so well and
Speaker 3: so hard every single night that they gave us a
Speaker 3: run for our money, Like we were we had to
Speaker 3: play better because they were playing so well.
Speaker 2: Did you guys actually talk about it or was it
Speaker 2: just like all the time?
Speaker 3: All the time? I would like like I would we'd
Speaker 3: Gerard and I would see each other on like backstage
Speaker 3: or whatever, and we'd be like, dude, I think you
Speaker 3: got us last night. That was a good one. And
Speaker 3: it was back and forth. And he met his wife
Speaker 3: on that on that tour as well, so that we
Speaker 3: were like I was seeing him less because he was
Speaker 3: hanging out with Lindsay Love.
Speaker 2: So what's the latest, what's next? I know we're almost
Speaker 2: at time. What's like right now for Lincoln Park? What
Speaker 2: are you guys focusing on?
Speaker 3: I mean so much? Well, I think the most important
Speaker 3: thing is like we're in the midst of putting out
Speaker 3: a few new songs, so we added we have a
Speaker 3: deluxe version from zero out now, and yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 3: have three new songs. We've debuted one of them it's
Speaker 3: called Up from the Bottom. We love the song, and
Speaker 3: the other two we love just as much, if not more.
Speaker 3: And we're gonna be on tour heavy. This is like
Speaker 3: probably the most aggressive tour year we've had in like
Speaker 3: over a decade, maybe fifteen years. It's a lot of shows,
Speaker 3: and the US in particular, we made a point to
Speaker 3: like play a bunch of markets that we don't we
Speaker 3: haven't hit in forever or we wouldn't usually get around to,
Speaker 3: but to go to so we're super excited about that.
Speaker 3: Gonna hit Europe after that and come back and play
Speaker 3: more shows in the US and then go to Latin America.
Speaker 2: How do you prepare for that? Personal, like, just as
Speaker 2: far as taking care of yourself.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's that that, like, you know, very
Speaker 3: much like pacing yourself. It's a marathon, honest print, Like
Speaker 3: you gotta you know, pay attention to the fact that
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, it's we have months and months of
Speaker 3: shows coming up, and we tend to like we tend
Speaker 3: to take it pretty easy on the road anyway. Like
Speaker 3: I think Emily's actually even more like right now, she's
Speaker 3: she's ever since we started these shows, like she's been
Speaker 3: very diligent about her her you know, diet, her sleep,
Speaker 3: her resting, her voice, Like every day off, every day
Speaker 3: off is the vocal rest day. She actually doesn't speak
Speaker 3: out loud on those days. Not kidding you.
Speaker 2: I could see why, I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then yeah, and it's funny too because I
Speaker 3: was thinking about it, and she's taking really care of
Speaker 3: a voice. But then like when we're in rehearsals, we'll
Speaker 3: do like four days in a row of like five
Speaker 3: hour rehearsals, or like when she came would come in
Speaker 3: here and like record like we she'd be singing all
Speaker 3: day and like her voice was it was great. It
Speaker 3: was her voice was fine. So I know she's just
Speaker 3: like being extra careful. Yeah, but uh yeah, the tour,
Speaker 3: This tour is like a very very ambitious schedule and
Speaker 3: ambitious tour and we're super we were very excited about
Speaker 3: so we want to really pace ourselves and do a
Speaker 3: great job.
Speaker 2: Cool, Well, thank you, so much, Mike for taking so
Speaker 2: much time. I appreciate you and congrats on the success
Speaker 2: of the new album.
Speaker 3: Thank you, and.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to hear the next new album. Sounds like you're.
Speaker 3: Working with We've got like I said, we got two
Speaker 3: more songs in the pipeline, we got two on the way,
Speaker 3: so I'm excited for everybody to hear those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have fun on tour. Take care of yourself, all right.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
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