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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Mike Schanoda took a bold step last fall when

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Speaker 1: he reintroduced Lincoln Park with a new lineup featuring drummer

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Speaker 1: founded Lincoln Park in ninety six, has long served as

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Park released From Zero, their eighth studio album and

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Speaker 1: talks to Mike Shanoda about why he chose not to

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Speaker 1: early two thousand's new metal this is Broken Record, real musicians,

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Speaker 1: real conversations. Here's Lea Rose and Mike Shanoda.

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Speaker 2: I was listening back to your last interview on Broken Records.

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Speaker 2: So the last time you were on was twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: one in March, and you were very much in your

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Speaker 2: producing new music with people that you were meeting online,

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Speaker 2: and you seemed like super pumped about it. So how

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Speaker 3: Where do I even start? So? I was doing you know,

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Speaker 3: And at a certain point, you know, I was also

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Speaker 2: What did it sound like.

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Speaker 3: The most I mean, well, some of it sounded like

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Speaker 3: I've done a few different like projects for it, minor

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Speaker 2: So when you all made the decision to come back together,

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Speaker 3: Was it like a whole that very opposite of that.

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Speaker 3: It was the opposite of that, because we were like

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Speaker 3: that's a very big idea, and it was it's like scary.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, when we first started, it was like that,

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Speaker 2: Like there's something special about that woman. She's incredible. She's

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Speaker 2: look at your old photos and it's just like, dudes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the I was looking at the photos

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Speaker 3: Right me and Joe. Yeah, Joe and I had met

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Speaker 2: So very visual. Do you remember like what your thought

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. The first meeting we had with the label

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Speaker 2: Very cool. And then how thinking about I mean, I've

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Speaker 2: How did you think about the art direction of the

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Speaker 3: regularly and get on zooms and do that part of

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00:24:59,916 --> 00:25:03,076
Speaker 3: the thing. And like with any group of like brothers,

435
00:25:03,396 --> 00:25:05,956
Speaker 3: like you get into some bad habits in terms of

436
00:25:05,996 --> 00:25:09,916
Speaker 3: like communication style or like ways that you think about it.

437
00:25:09,956 --> 00:25:12,036
Speaker 3: Like Dave for example. He was funny because he was

438
00:25:12,076 --> 00:25:14,796
Speaker 3: just like I. He told us, I have this like

439
00:25:14,876 --> 00:25:20,116
Speaker 3: mental block. I hear band meeting and I immediately gough right,

440
00:25:20,236 --> 00:25:22,756
Speaker 3: Like He's like, and it's not it's not your fault.

441
00:25:22,756 --> 00:25:25,636
Speaker 3: It's not that I don't like hanging out and talking

442
00:25:25,636 --> 00:25:28,316
Speaker 3: about our band. It's that the one that we do

443
00:25:28,356 --> 00:25:32,076
Speaker 3: a quote unquote meeting, like you're gonna go in and

444
00:25:32,116 --> 00:25:34,516
Speaker 3: you're going to talk about good stuff and bad stuff

445
00:25:34,556 --> 00:25:37,876
Speaker 3: and hard things and whatever and and stressful. And he's like,

446
00:25:37,916 --> 00:25:40,036
Speaker 3: I've just my brain is just like put that in

447
00:25:40,076 --> 00:25:42,436
Speaker 3: this like negative bucket and I need to like figure

448
00:25:42,436 --> 00:25:44,756
Speaker 3: it out. So we actually went in and we we

449
00:25:44,796 --> 00:25:47,356
Speaker 3: all had versions of that. So we all like had

450
00:25:47,396 --> 00:25:51,516
Speaker 3: to like be do some like reflection and look at like, okay,

451
00:25:51,516 --> 00:25:55,476
Speaker 3: what what would make it more enjoyable? Yeah, to like

452
00:25:55,836 --> 00:26:00,276
Speaker 3: get on the you know, get on a zoom, not.

453
00:26:00,236 --> 00:26:00,996
Speaker 2: A band meeting.

454
00:26:01,556 --> 00:26:02,036
Speaker 3: Maybe.

455
00:26:02,276 --> 00:26:03,956
Speaker 2: You know, do you guys ever have you done any

456
00:26:04,036 --> 00:26:06,436
Speaker 2: sort of like therapy together or gone on a retreat

457
00:26:06,516 --> 00:26:09,636
Speaker 2: or anything like that. I've heard about Obviously Mentala did

458
00:26:09,636 --> 00:26:12,436
Speaker 2: the doc about it, but like her Pearl Jam goes

459
00:26:12,436 --> 00:26:15,436
Speaker 2: on retreats together to work on communication.

460
00:26:17,676 --> 00:26:19,916
Speaker 3: I don't know if we have a problem with authority

461
00:26:21,076 --> 00:26:25,596
Speaker 3: or something, but that type of thing we've we've brushed

462
00:26:25,676 --> 00:26:28,396
Speaker 3: up against it, and it doesn't It hasn't worked well

463
00:26:28,476 --> 00:26:33,516
Speaker 3: for us because we just feel like the person, if

464
00:26:33,516 --> 00:26:37,276
Speaker 3: there's a mediator, that they don't know us at all. Yeah,

465
00:26:37,596 --> 00:26:42,156
Speaker 3: because they don't, right, So, like we know everybody's buttons,

466
00:26:42,196 --> 00:26:45,636
Speaker 3: we know where all the bodies are buried, and you

467
00:26:45,836 --> 00:26:51,796
Speaker 3: just so you can like totally subtly antagonize each other

468
00:26:51,996 --> 00:26:54,756
Speaker 3: if you want to. And it's so for us it's been.

469
00:26:54,796 --> 00:26:57,636
Speaker 3: It was much more about like, well, the problem isn't

470
00:26:57,676 --> 00:27:00,836
Speaker 3: that we're we know each other so well. The problem

471
00:27:00,916 --> 00:27:03,716
Speaker 3: is that you got to care a lot and be

472
00:27:03,796 --> 00:27:09,356
Speaker 3: grateful that this thing is very special, and that when

473
00:27:09,756 --> 00:27:13,836
Speaker 3: if you do something to to like antagonize your bandmate

474
00:27:14,476 --> 00:27:20,196
Speaker 3: like you would antagonize your sibling, you're hurting yourself. I

475
00:27:20,276 --> 00:27:22,836
Speaker 3: love the band. If I'm if I'm doing something that's

476
00:27:22,876 --> 00:27:27,796
Speaker 3: making him or her uncomfortable or upset, then I'm hurting myself. Yeah.

477
00:27:27,836 --> 00:27:33,316
Speaker 3: So I think that we thankfully have a very emotionally

478
00:27:33,396 --> 00:27:37,196
Speaker 3: intelligent band who can self regulate to some degree.

479
00:27:37,476 --> 00:27:40,276
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like that. And as someone who's been

480
00:27:40,316 --> 00:27:44,156
Speaker 2: on the receiving end of hate for you know, decades,

481
00:27:44,236 --> 00:27:46,956
Speaker 2: not all hate, but there's been. You know, people have

482
00:27:47,036 --> 00:27:52,396
Speaker 2: critical opinions. Do you find that you're less likely to

483
00:27:52,516 --> 00:27:56,516
Speaker 2: do the same for other bands or like do you

484
00:27:56,556 --> 00:28:00,116
Speaker 2: get involved in conversations online for artists that you love

485
00:28:00,276 --> 00:28:02,156
Speaker 2: and do you ever have critical opinions?

486
00:28:03,676 --> 00:28:05,516
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't like to get down in the

487
00:28:05,556 --> 00:28:09,116
Speaker 3: dirt with people on stuff online, online arguments or life.

488
00:28:09,596 --> 00:28:12,636
Speaker 3: Probably the biggest waste of time I can think up.

489
00:28:12,716 --> 00:28:15,676
Speaker 3: So that's really not my not my cup of tea.

490
00:28:16,556 --> 00:28:22,916
Speaker 3: Everybody who who reaches a lot of listeners reaches also

491
00:28:22,956 --> 00:28:25,836
Speaker 3: a lot of haters. Like you can't have one and

492
00:28:25,916 --> 00:28:33,836
Speaker 3: not the other. And so like for us when it first,

493
00:28:33,876 --> 00:28:36,436
Speaker 3: like when we first did our launch show, that surprise

494
00:28:36,596 --> 00:28:39,316
Speaker 3: show that we live streamed, I was kind of like

495
00:28:39,516 --> 00:28:42,516
Speaker 3: struggling to find like, Okay, how did it get received?

496
00:28:42,596 --> 00:28:46,396
Speaker 3: Because you can't go into the chaos of social media

497
00:28:46,436 --> 00:28:50,516
Speaker 3: and expect to hear the actual truth. I know that

498
00:28:50,556 --> 00:28:54,276
Speaker 3: the people there were having an incredible time, but also

499
00:28:54,636 --> 00:28:59,916
Speaker 3: like they were really really happy. They were crying, yeah,

500
00:28:59,996 --> 00:29:03,556
Speaker 3: and they were emotional, and also it's like there's a

501
00:29:03,596 --> 00:29:06,956
Speaker 3: lot it's a huge change. Right, there's a lot to process,

502
00:29:07,276 --> 00:29:09,356
Speaker 3: and so they were like processing in real time and

503
00:29:09,396 --> 00:29:11,476
Speaker 3: then they went online and they were processing out loud

504
00:29:12,116 --> 00:29:14,996
Speaker 3: and getting together with everybody else was doing the same.

505
00:29:15,956 --> 00:29:19,876
Speaker 3: And it wasn't until we started getting actual numbers, like data,

506
00:29:20,196 --> 00:29:22,476
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, this is this is amazing

507
00:29:22,516 --> 00:29:28,116
Speaker 3: from my brain because I can I can say actually

508
00:29:28,196 --> 00:29:31,276
Speaker 3: this many people are listening to it, and it actually

509
00:29:31,356 --> 00:29:32,636
Speaker 3: people actually do like it.

510
00:29:33,796 --> 00:29:36,076
Speaker 2: How did you guys know in the beginning with hybrid

511
00:29:36,116 --> 00:29:38,676
Speaker 2: theory that it was catching on, that it was actually working.

512
00:29:38,876 --> 00:29:41,676
Speaker 2: I mean the South, you know, there was sound scans

513
00:29:41,716 --> 00:29:44,516
Speaker 2: so you could see how many units you were selling. Yeah,

514
00:29:44,636 --> 00:29:46,436
Speaker 2: you don't get that, like and you know, you don't

515
00:29:46,436 --> 00:29:50,516
Speaker 2: get the Internet response, which no, it's hard to measure allway.

516
00:29:51,796 --> 00:29:55,956
Speaker 3: I hate the like Peanut gallery of the of social media.

517
00:29:56,436 --> 00:30:01,156
Speaker 3: It's like I really don't participate. I mean my my

518
00:30:01,316 --> 00:30:05,996
Speaker 3: Twitter now is like, you know, I don't like that platform.

519
00:30:06,316 --> 00:30:08,796
Speaker 3: I don't like how people act on it. I rarely

520
00:30:08,836 --> 00:30:12,956
Speaker 3: go on on it. I prefer Instagram. I like TikTok,

521
00:30:12,996 --> 00:30:14,796
Speaker 3: but I don't actually post much on it because I

522
00:30:14,796 --> 00:30:17,036
Speaker 3: don't feel like compelled to. It doesn't feel like the

523
00:30:17,036 --> 00:30:19,276
Speaker 3: place for me to post very much, but I do

524
00:30:19,316 --> 00:30:22,716
Speaker 3: woul like look at it. But yeah, it's like, you know,

525
00:30:23,156 --> 00:30:26,436
Speaker 3: when we were getting started, like you didn't have those things,

526
00:30:26,476 --> 00:30:29,196
Speaker 3: so you weren't mired by the admired in the like

527
00:30:29,676 --> 00:30:32,476
Speaker 3: the chaos of people's opinions and by the way, not

528
00:30:32,556 --> 00:30:36,196
Speaker 3: real opinions. You were just only getting their snap judgments, yes,

529
00:30:36,196 --> 00:30:38,596
Speaker 3: and like whatever they can fit into the shortest little

530
00:30:38,636 --> 00:30:42,196
Speaker 3: like couple sentences. So we didn't have that. We had

531
00:30:42,276 --> 00:30:44,836
Speaker 3: like going out and playing shows, being on the road,

532
00:30:44,916 --> 00:30:48,236
Speaker 3: like meeting people in person. Oh, this show had you know,

533
00:30:48,236 --> 00:30:49,836
Speaker 3: we had one hundred fans. This show we had one

534
00:30:49,876 --> 00:30:52,516
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty fans. This show we had three hundred fans.

535
00:30:52,556 --> 00:30:55,916
Speaker 3: Like we could tell from people showing up that they

536
00:30:56,116 --> 00:30:57,436
Speaker 3: were that it was working.

537
00:30:57,836 --> 00:31:01,076
Speaker 2: Yeah, And at the time when Lincoln Park was out,

538
00:31:01,156 --> 00:31:04,996
Speaker 2: the first couple albums, one thing that really distinguished you

539
00:31:05,196 --> 00:31:08,676
Speaker 2: was the lyrics and how vulnerable they were. And we

540
00:31:08,676 --> 00:31:12,116
Speaker 2: were talking earlier about you know, like dude bands, and

541
00:31:12,116 --> 00:31:15,036
Speaker 2: that really seems like something that was different, especially with

542
00:31:15,116 --> 00:31:18,476
Speaker 2: all the male bands. Did you guys know that at

543
00:31:18,516 --> 00:31:21,556
Speaker 2: the time, Was that something that you consciously was.

544
00:31:21,556 --> 00:31:24,236
Speaker 3: One of the main things that we that main things

545
00:31:24,236 --> 00:31:28,276
Speaker 3: that we intentionally focused on to differentiate ourselves because one

546
00:31:28,316 --> 00:31:30,636
Speaker 3: of the things we one of the things we loved

547
00:31:30,676 --> 00:31:35,196
Speaker 3: about what was going on and in rock music alternative

548
00:31:35,236 --> 00:31:39,836
Speaker 3: music was the sound of everything. Like we really liked

549
00:31:39,836 --> 00:31:43,316
Speaker 3: the sound, and we really liked the way that new

550
00:31:44,836 --> 00:31:50,076
Speaker 3: bands were mixing in hip hop and electronic. But our

551
00:31:50,596 --> 00:31:54,996
Speaker 3: criticism of it was that they were tourists when it

552
00:31:54,996 --> 00:31:58,236
Speaker 3: came to those other genres, Like they were mixing them in,

553
00:31:59,156 --> 00:32:01,596
Speaker 3: but they didn't go deep into any of those genres,

554
00:32:01,876 --> 00:32:04,356
Speaker 3: Like they were just hearing like five ten songs by

555
00:32:04,516 --> 00:32:07,436
Speaker 3: so and so and then like using things that they heard,

556
00:32:07,716 --> 00:32:10,116
Speaker 3: Whereas that's all I listened too, and I listened to

557
00:32:10,196 --> 00:32:13,876
Speaker 3: like ninety percent that and then to do rock, I

558
00:32:13,956 --> 00:32:17,236
Speaker 3: was like, okay, this is like I love specific rock

559
00:32:17,276 --> 00:32:20,556
Speaker 3: groups and I like all this hip hop electronic music.

560
00:32:21,276 --> 00:32:25,236
Speaker 3: So one thing that was like that was a thing.

561
00:32:25,436 --> 00:32:27,116
Speaker 3: And then when it came to as you were talking about,

562
00:32:27,116 --> 00:32:29,956
Speaker 3: like the lyrics. One thing that we really didn't like

563
00:32:30,076 --> 00:32:32,876
Speaker 3: about a lot of the bands that were coming out

564
00:32:33,156 --> 00:32:35,236
Speaker 3: is that everything felt like a frat party. It was

565
00:32:35,316 --> 00:32:41,516
Speaker 3: just like this like belligerent, drunk, misogynistic, I'm gonna kick

566
00:32:41,556 --> 00:32:43,756
Speaker 3: your ass. Everything was I'm gonna kick your ass. Yeah,

567
00:32:43,756 --> 00:32:48,156
Speaker 3: And now we were just like the least I'm gonna

568
00:32:48,196 --> 00:32:52,876
Speaker 3: kick your ass group of guys, and so that's what

569
00:32:52,916 --> 00:32:55,556
Speaker 3: the lyrics became. We were like, Yeah, this is we relate,

570
00:32:55,676 --> 00:32:58,316
Speaker 3: this is the type of band that we relate.

571
00:32:58,356 --> 00:33:01,316
Speaker 2: So smart. I heard you also say that in the

572
00:33:01,356 --> 00:33:04,436
Speaker 2: early days that instead of just like going out and

573
00:33:04,476 --> 00:33:07,316
Speaker 2: playing tons of shows, you guys sort of laid low

574
00:33:07,476 --> 00:33:11,676
Speaker 2: and just practiced and really stared out.

575
00:33:10,996 --> 00:33:14,036
Speaker 3: Because the idea was that all of the baby bands

576
00:33:14,396 --> 00:33:17,716
Speaker 3: in our like in at La Area, they were out

577
00:33:17,756 --> 00:33:20,396
Speaker 3: playing as much as they could because they loved playing,

578
00:33:20,876 --> 00:33:23,716
Speaker 3: but they were out playing like covers, or they were

579
00:33:23,716 --> 00:33:25,916
Speaker 3: out playing crappy songs that they had just thrown together

580
00:33:25,956 --> 00:33:28,676
Speaker 3: that week, and they'd play every week or two weeks.

581
00:33:28,916 --> 00:33:32,396
Speaker 3: We would play every few months. We would rarely play

582
00:33:32,476 --> 00:33:35,836
Speaker 3: because we'd spend all that time making new songs, and

583
00:33:35,876 --> 00:33:37,476
Speaker 3: then when we played, we got to play a whole

584
00:33:37,476 --> 00:33:39,196
Speaker 3: bunch of new songs that would we put a ton

585
00:33:39,236 --> 00:33:44,276
Speaker 3: of effort into. And I think that's certainly one of

586
00:33:44,276 --> 00:33:46,476
Speaker 3: the cornerstones of what we do. Like we spend a

587
00:33:46,516 --> 00:33:50,436
Speaker 3: lot a lot more time crafting a song than a

588
00:33:50,476 --> 00:33:52,796
Speaker 3: lot of folks. I in fact, one of the you

589
00:33:52,796 --> 00:33:55,836
Speaker 3: know earlier we were talking about when I was doing

590
00:33:55,876 --> 00:34:00,076
Speaker 3: sessions with other younger artists, first thing I noticed is

591
00:34:00,116 --> 00:34:03,076
Speaker 3: they don't spend enough time on their songs. They think

592
00:34:03,116 --> 00:34:05,636
Speaker 3: that like they they write a song in an afternoon,

593
00:34:06,036 --> 00:34:08,796
Speaker 3: and they think that going back to it like the

594
00:34:08,836 --> 00:34:10,836
Speaker 3: next day or the next week and working on it

595
00:34:10,876 --> 00:34:13,876
Speaker 3: another day is like, Oh, this is really like we

596
00:34:13,956 --> 00:34:17,596
Speaker 3: really put the work in. Yeah, I have worked. I

597
00:34:17,596 --> 00:34:25,276
Speaker 3: have songs that have been in some version of like conceptualization,

598
00:34:25,676 --> 00:34:29,956
Speaker 3: like they're foggy ideas of songs. I have ones that

599
00:34:29,996 --> 00:34:33,236
Speaker 3: are like ten years old, like it's not even close.

600
00:34:34,396 --> 00:34:37,676
Speaker 3: I've tried like breaking the habit was notoriously a song

601
00:34:37,716 --> 00:34:40,076
Speaker 3: that I had written a bunch of different I tried

602
00:34:40,116 --> 00:34:42,876
Speaker 3: to write that song a bunch of different times, and

603
00:34:43,556 --> 00:34:45,516
Speaker 3: the one that made the album was when I sat

604
00:34:45,556 --> 00:34:47,196
Speaker 3: down and it poured out of me in like an

605
00:34:47,196 --> 00:34:50,036
Speaker 3: hour and a half. I was like, oh, wow, that's

606
00:34:50,076 --> 00:34:52,196
Speaker 3: the way this song is supposed to go, and it

607
00:34:52,356 --> 00:34:56,036
Speaker 3: was you know. From there, then we crafted and crafted

608
00:34:56,076 --> 00:35:00,036
Speaker 3: and crafted it over over weeks. Sometimes a great song

609
00:35:00,156 --> 00:35:03,676
Speaker 3: does just come out very quickly, but you're lucky if

610
00:35:03,676 --> 00:35:05,716
Speaker 3: it does. Like I feel like most of the time,

611
00:35:06,516 --> 00:35:09,996
Speaker 3: you got to know that something's inside. It's like sculpture. Yeah,

612
00:35:10,676 --> 00:35:12,916
Speaker 3: you got a big old piece of granite, and you've

613
00:35:12,956 --> 00:35:16,276
Speaker 3: got to like get inside there and have a vision

614
00:35:16,316 --> 00:35:20,076
Speaker 3: for what's in there. What's the secret that it's like holding.

615
00:35:20,436 --> 00:35:26,036
Speaker 2: Can you remember in your career overall, any significant musical

616
00:35:26,076 --> 00:35:29,836
Speaker 2: breakthroughs you've had like a moment where maybe something that

617
00:35:29,916 --> 00:35:32,836
Speaker 2: wasn't working all of a sudden worked, or you figured

618
00:35:32,876 --> 00:35:35,076
Speaker 2: something out and it just sort of like opened up

619
00:35:35,156 --> 00:35:39,076
Speaker 2: an entire new door or direction for you.

620
00:35:41,036 --> 00:35:45,036
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like it happens. That's like the

621
00:35:45,196 --> 00:35:48,716
Speaker 3: thing that always brings me back to making of songs

622
00:35:48,996 --> 00:35:52,076
Speaker 3: and albums is that thing, Like I'm always chasing that

623
00:35:53,036 --> 00:35:54,916
Speaker 3: thing because that the moment when you go, oh, I

624
00:35:55,916 --> 00:36:01,716
Speaker 3: figured out something new, or I messed around and achieved

625
00:36:01,836 --> 00:36:04,476
Speaker 3: a thing like landed on a sound or a song

626
00:36:04,596 --> 00:36:08,756
Speaker 3: or a lyric or a melody or something that is special.

627
00:36:09,756 --> 00:36:12,596
Speaker 2: Did you always come up with all the melodies for

628
00:36:12,676 --> 00:36:12,996
Speaker 2: the band?

629
00:36:13,036 --> 00:36:15,916
Speaker 3: No? No, not all of them, but I do. I

630
00:36:15,996 --> 00:36:19,116
Speaker 3: sit in the driver's seat in it. Like I didn't

631
00:36:19,116 --> 00:36:21,716
Speaker 3: even know it was called produce. It was called producing

632
00:36:21,796 --> 00:36:24,036
Speaker 3: until Rick we worked with Rick. Rick was like, oh,

633
00:36:24,036 --> 00:36:26,196
Speaker 3: you're like the producer in the band, and I was

634
00:36:26,236 --> 00:36:29,196
Speaker 3: like I am. That's when I started, like, you know,

635
00:36:29,276 --> 00:36:31,636
Speaker 3: asking for a producer. Everybody was like, yeah, of course,

636
00:36:32,916 --> 00:36:34,916
Speaker 3: I don't know why I was not aware of that's

637
00:36:34,956 --> 00:36:37,676
Speaker 3: what it was. And of course it's different, like different

638
00:36:37,756 --> 00:36:41,396
Speaker 3: genres of music have different definitions of what a producer is.

639
00:36:41,436 --> 00:36:44,756
Speaker 3: I'm a producer in more of the more traditional like

640
00:36:46,036 --> 00:36:49,116
Speaker 3: pop or rock sense, where I like to like it's

641
00:36:49,116 --> 00:36:52,916
Speaker 3: almost like a curation and a direction thing, and I'm

642
00:36:52,956 --> 00:36:56,796
Speaker 3: trying to like pull all the best stuff from the

643
00:36:56,876 --> 00:37:00,756
Speaker 3: whole band and group of people working and like get

644
00:37:00,796 --> 00:37:05,396
Speaker 3: it into the song in the most exciting and effective way.

645
00:37:06,116 --> 00:37:08,476
Speaker 3: So yeah, So when when you know I do have

646
00:37:09,676 --> 00:37:12,396
Speaker 3: like us, sometimes I'll come in with a lot of

647
00:37:12,436 --> 00:37:15,476
Speaker 3: a song and it's like eighty percent there, and other

648
00:37:15,516 --> 00:37:17,276
Speaker 3: times I come in with nothing and I just have

649
00:37:17,516 --> 00:37:19,956
Speaker 3: Like the other day, I sat down with Colin and

650
00:37:19,996 --> 00:37:22,956
Speaker 3: I got together. We were just screwing around making something,

651
00:37:22,996 --> 00:37:25,876
Speaker 3: and all I had that I walked in with was Hey,

652
00:37:25,916 --> 00:37:28,716
Speaker 3: I listened like three three These three songs came up

653
00:37:28,756 --> 00:37:32,556
Speaker 3: on my phone and on shuffle today and I noticed

654
00:37:32,596 --> 00:37:36,156
Speaker 3: that they had something in common, Like, let's start there,

655
00:37:36,236 --> 00:37:38,236
Speaker 3: let's work on the thing that is in common in

656
00:37:38,276 --> 00:37:40,796
Speaker 3: these three songs. And the thing that was in common

657
00:37:40,916 --> 00:37:42,596
Speaker 3: was like it had a verse that was quiet and

658
00:37:42,636 --> 00:37:44,996
Speaker 3: in loud and then quiet as loud and it worked.

659
00:37:45,276 --> 00:37:47,996
Speaker 3: Like it's not, you know, any more specific than that.

660
00:37:48,036 --> 00:37:53,276
Speaker 3: It's very like it's barely enough to say, let's write

661
00:37:53,276 --> 00:37:54,356
Speaker 3: a song like this.

662
00:37:54,636 --> 00:37:59,156
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, last break can be back with Mike Shinoto.

663
00:38:03,596 --> 00:38:05,716
Speaker 2: If you had to make a playlist, and you don't

664
00:38:05,716 --> 00:38:07,596
Speaker 2: have to answer this if you think it's stupid, but

665
00:38:08,636 --> 00:38:10,996
Speaker 2: if you had to make a playlist of Lincoln Parks,

666
00:38:11,916 --> 00:38:14,996
Speaker 2: maybe not best songs, but songs for someone who didn't

667
00:38:15,076 --> 00:38:16,996
Speaker 2: know the band at all. Like if it's an alien

668
00:38:17,796 --> 00:38:20,276
Speaker 2: and you have to present a playlist or a group

669
00:38:20,316 --> 00:38:23,836
Speaker 2: of like, you know, five songs, what would you share.

670
00:38:25,956 --> 00:38:29,236
Speaker 3: Well, I've done this. I've done this before, Like I've

671
00:38:29,236 --> 00:38:32,836
Speaker 3: been asked to like curate our you know, oh, he's

672
00:38:32,836 --> 00:38:35,356
Speaker 3: gonna be on this radio station or it's gonna be

673
00:38:35,356 --> 00:38:39,596
Speaker 3: on this playlist for this thing. And I'd say in general,

674
00:38:39,876 --> 00:38:42,076
Speaker 3: like some of the ones that I'm really proud of

675
00:38:42,116 --> 00:38:44,076
Speaker 3: that I think really sum up the band, or like

676
00:38:45,116 --> 00:38:47,556
Speaker 3: most fans know that I love. Waiting for the end

677
00:38:47,956 --> 00:38:53,436
Speaker 3: off of a Thousand Suns Papercut was first song on

678
00:38:53,516 --> 00:38:55,996
Speaker 3: hybrid theory for a reason we were we knew that

679
00:38:56,036 --> 00:39:00,076
Speaker 3: one had like that was the best signature Lincoln part,

680
00:39:00,396 --> 00:39:02,676
Speaker 3: like it has all of the hallmarks of everything that

681
00:39:02,756 --> 00:39:05,996
Speaker 3: we did and we're going to do for a while.

682
00:39:07,116 --> 00:39:10,156
Speaker 3: There's a reason that people like in the and and

683
00:39:10,276 --> 00:39:12,356
Speaker 3: what I've done, Like those are those are ones that

684
00:39:13,236 --> 00:39:17,236
Speaker 3: I think you know when even when they weren't finished yet,

685
00:39:17,236 --> 00:39:20,356
Speaker 3: Like when we were making them, I I remembered coming

686
00:39:20,436 --> 00:39:23,436
Speaker 3: up with with the piano and the verse and the

687
00:39:23,516 --> 00:39:25,956
Speaker 3: chorus melody for in the end and playing it for

688
00:39:25,996 --> 00:39:28,636
Speaker 3: our our our drummer Rob at the time, and he

689
00:39:28,756 --> 00:39:31,076
Speaker 3: was like he had showed up. He showed up at

690
00:39:31,076 --> 00:39:35,436
Speaker 3: the rehearsal studio for a practice and I had slept

691
00:39:35,436 --> 00:39:40,396
Speaker 3: it slept there overnight just trying to like it was

692
00:39:40,436 --> 00:39:42,796
Speaker 3: like a like a so I guess the story is

693
00:39:42,796 --> 00:39:45,196
Speaker 3: its like a like I was I basically created like

694
00:39:45,236 --> 00:39:49,076
Speaker 3: a like a sensory deprivation chamber. Like it's this windowless

695
00:39:49,516 --> 00:39:53,756
Speaker 3: place with like a horrible couch and like just disgusting,

696
00:39:54,236 --> 00:39:57,756
Speaker 3: And I just sat in there and wrote until I

697
00:39:57,796 --> 00:40:00,756
Speaker 3: didn't even know what time it was. And the thing

698
00:40:00,836 --> 00:40:02,556
Speaker 3: that I came out of it that was the most

699
00:40:02,556 --> 00:40:04,876
Speaker 3: exciting was in the end and he was like, this

700
00:40:04,956 --> 00:40:08,236
Speaker 3: is this this is the most special song. He's like,

701
00:40:08,276 --> 00:40:11,996
Speaker 3: I We've got like I've been I've been literally dreaming

702
00:40:12,116 --> 00:40:15,996
Speaker 3: of a song like this for our album. Wow. So

703
00:40:16,116 --> 00:40:18,156
Speaker 3: things like that, I think like we as a band,

704
00:40:18,196 --> 00:40:21,556
Speaker 3: like we know when those things come up. Kind of

705
00:40:21,596 --> 00:40:24,796
Speaker 3: like it kind of like speaks to the last to

706
00:40:24,876 --> 00:40:30,516
Speaker 3: your last question, which is that sometimes when the when

707
00:40:30,796 --> 00:40:34,636
Speaker 3: the special song is happening, like you just we get

708
00:40:34,676 --> 00:40:38,076
Speaker 3: a feeling like we know. It's not about it's not

709
00:40:38,156 --> 00:40:41,476
Speaker 3: like a oh people are gonna like this. I don't

710
00:40:41,516 --> 00:40:46,596
Speaker 3: really operate I try actually then to not operate with

711
00:40:46,716 --> 00:40:51,836
Speaker 3: that as a primary driver or like metric. It's more

712
00:40:51,836 --> 00:40:54,756
Speaker 3: about like I just as the song is going, like

713
00:40:55,196 --> 00:40:58,276
Speaker 3: I know that I want to listen to it. I

714
00:40:58,276 --> 00:41:02,476
Speaker 3: think that's the that's really the big aha moment that happens.

715
00:41:03,916 --> 00:41:06,476
Speaker 2: What song or songs do you think you've had the

716
00:41:06,476 --> 00:41:07,436
Speaker 2: best performance on?

717
00:41:09,796 --> 00:41:13,276
Speaker 3: Oh God, I don't know. It's funny I was thinking

718
00:41:13,276 --> 00:41:14,756
Speaker 3: the other day because I was I was trying to

719
00:41:14,796 --> 00:41:19,156
Speaker 3: work out a this is maybe not exactly what you're asking.

720
00:41:20,556 --> 00:41:22,996
Speaker 3: But I was looking at some of the rap verses

721
00:41:23,716 --> 00:41:28,236
Speaker 3: that I've done on our stuff, and some of my

722
00:41:28,436 --> 00:41:32,036
Speaker 3: favorite rap verses that I've done are on deeper cuts.

723
00:41:32,876 --> 00:41:37,316
Speaker 3: They're not usually on the singles, which is really too bad.

724
00:41:38,676 --> 00:41:39,796
Speaker 2: What are some that come to mind?

725
00:41:40,476 --> 00:41:43,156
Speaker 3: I was thinking of, Well, I have a song called

726
00:41:43,196 --> 00:41:46,196
Speaker 3: Kenji off of my My fort Minor album, which is one,

727
00:41:47,036 --> 00:41:49,876
Speaker 3: and then there's a song. We have a song called

728
00:41:49,876 --> 00:41:52,836
Speaker 3: all for Nothing off The Hunting Party. That album was

729
00:41:52,876 --> 00:41:54,836
Speaker 3: with Page Hamilton, and I got to do that with

730
00:41:54,916 --> 00:41:57,436
Speaker 3: Paige this on the last tour, like we happened to

731
00:41:57,436 --> 00:42:02,276
Speaker 3: be playing. We took a helmet open for us, and

732
00:42:02,316 --> 00:42:04,356
Speaker 3: I was like, dude, we could finally play this song

733
00:42:04,396 --> 00:42:06,956
Speaker 3: like we had. I'll learn it and stuff. Nobody even

734
00:42:07,516 --> 00:42:10,516
Speaker 3: they even and Joe I had never played it before live,

735
00:42:10,596 --> 00:42:13,716
Speaker 3: so or at least we hadn't in a really really

736
00:42:13,756 --> 00:42:16,236
Speaker 3: long time. It wasn't a mainstay in the set. So

737
00:42:16,316 --> 00:42:19,516
Speaker 3: like those verses, I really like, there's a handful of

738
00:42:19,556 --> 00:42:22,236
Speaker 3: other ones, but again they're all like deep cuts.

739
00:42:22,636 --> 00:42:24,996
Speaker 2: What did it mean to you as just a fan

740
00:42:25,116 --> 00:42:27,636
Speaker 2: and someone who grew up listening to hip hop to

741
00:42:27,716 --> 00:42:30,196
Speaker 2: do the collaboration with jay Z. Like it sounds like

742
00:42:30,236 --> 00:42:34,356
Speaker 2: that maybe you weren't together too much for the collaboration,

743
00:42:34,476 --> 00:42:36,236
Speaker 2: like it was sent back and forth.

744
00:42:36,476 --> 00:42:39,956
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean well it was fast. It didn't

745
00:42:40,316 --> 00:42:43,076
Speaker 3: It didn't take much for me to put that to

746
00:42:43,156 --> 00:42:46,316
Speaker 3: mash those songs up, like they were already you know,

747
00:42:46,516 --> 00:42:52,116
Speaker 3: primed for that kind of approach. Yeah, similar key, similar tempo.

748
00:42:53,196 --> 00:42:55,036
Speaker 3: I did most of the work on my like in

749
00:42:55,116 --> 00:42:59,996
Speaker 3: the bus and Jay had been asked by MTV to

750
00:43:00,036 --> 00:43:02,156
Speaker 3: do this mashup thing. They said, who do you want

751
00:43:02,196 --> 00:43:04,836
Speaker 3: to deal with? He said, Lincoln Park. They reached out

752
00:43:04,876 --> 00:43:08,716
Speaker 3: to us. I'm like literally made three songs, like numb

753
00:43:08,796 --> 00:43:10,996
Speaker 3: OnCore was one of them. I just sent them three

754
00:43:11,196 --> 00:43:13,996
Speaker 3: mashups and he was like, holy shit, And.

755
00:43:14,236 --> 00:43:15,596
Speaker 2: Was that exciting for you?

756
00:43:15,276 --> 00:43:19,996
Speaker 3: Were like, oh yeah, we were such fans. Yeah, and

757
00:43:20,236 --> 00:43:24,676
Speaker 3: uh yeah. I like got together once we got off

758
00:43:24,676 --> 00:43:26,796
Speaker 3: the road and he was available. We got together at

759
00:43:26,796 --> 00:43:30,316
Speaker 3: a studio, at a studio that we always worked at,

760
00:43:30,636 --> 00:43:34,676
Speaker 3: and spent I mean it was like a day basically

761
00:43:35,196 --> 00:43:38,516
Speaker 3: it was like like you know, getting some new vocals

762
00:43:38,556 --> 00:43:41,236
Speaker 3: on it and stuff. And maybe there was a second day.

763
00:43:41,236 --> 00:43:42,996
Speaker 3: I don't remember, but like I think we were with

764
00:43:43,076 --> 00:43:45,836
Speaker 3: him for like a day and then yeah, I I

765
00:43:45,916 --> 00:43:47,996
Speaker 3: you know, I think Brad and I from that point,

766
00:43:48,036 --> 00:43:51,236
Speaker 3: Brad and I kind of like finished up the production

767
00:43:51,356 --> 00:43:56,716
Speaker 3: part of it and I mixed it and the next

768
00:43:56,756 --> 00:44:01,036
Speaker 3: step was to get on stage together at the was

769
00:44:01,036 --> 00:44:03,716
Speaker 3: it the Roxy or the Whiskey? I don't remember when

770
00:44:03,716 --> 00:44:06,756
Speaker 3: it been the Whiskey. It was like, really it was,

771
00:44:06,916 --> 00:44:10,396
Speaker 3: I think we were So he's very he's a bit

772
00:44:10,436 --> 00:44:16,116
Speaker 3: aloof yes, So he he was. He wasn't like making

773
00:44:16,196 --> 00:44:22,676
Speaker 3: himself super available, you know what I mean. And we

774
00:44:22,716 --> 00:44:25,516
Speaker 3: did get some like hangout like like hot dinner and

775
00:44:25,596 --> 00:44:29,116
Speaker 3: like we did get some good like non music time

776
00:44:29,436 --> 00:44:32,396
Speaker 3: with him and his crew. But you know, the the

777
00:44:32,476 --> 00:44:37,396
Speaker 3: people around him were much more effusive and vocal and

778
00:44:37,556 --> 00:44:41,116
Speaker 3: like all that. Jay was very like aof is the

779
00:44:41,156 --> 00:44:44,236
Speaker 3: perfect word? Yeah?

780
00:44:44,356 --> 00:44:47,596
Speaker 2: Is there a band that Lincoln Park really like vibes

781
00:44:47,636 --> 00:44:51,436
Speaker 2: with that maybe wouldn't be obvious someone that you've or

782
00:44:51,476 --> 00:44:54,156
Speaker 2: a group you've encountered on the road, or someone you've

783
00:44:54,196 --> 00:44:56,236
Speaker 2: worked with in the past, where you guys are just

784
00:44:56,316 --> 00:44:58,036
Speaker 2: like a crazy good fit.

785
00:44:59,236 --> 00:45:02,756
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I always joke with Pete from Fallout Boy,

786
00:45:02,836 --> 00:45:04,596
Speaker 3: A lot of people know that we're we're friendly, and

787
00:45:05,276 --> 00:45:08,516
Speaker 3: Pete is just Pete's very sweet guy. He's really funny,

788
00:45:08,676 --> 00:45:12,956
Speaker 3: and he also like when they first came out, I

789
00:45:12,996 --> 00:45:15,756
Speaker 3: think he knows that. Like I was like, ugh, like

790
00:45:15,836 --> 00:45:18,556
Speaker 3: what is this I for some reason, like when I

791
00:45:18,596 --> 00:45:20,556
Speaker 3: first saw him in their first video, I was like, oh,

792
00:45:20,596 --> 00:45:23,276
Speaker 3: I don't like that guy at all. And I think

793
00:45:23,316 --> 00:45:25,516
Speaker 3: he was much more like at that point, he was

794
00:45:25,556 --> 00:45:28,236
Speaker 3: like really like trying to be a star. And I

795
00:45:28,316 --> 00:45:33,116
Speaker 3: may have been like reacting badly to that. And eventually

796
00:45:33,116 --> 00:45:35,676
Speaker 3: a mutual friend put us together and was like, I

797
00:45:35,676 --> 00:45:38,036
Speaker 3: don't know why you guys haven't hung out, Like you

798
00:45:38,116 --> 00:45:40,756
Speaker 3: guys are so similar, just the way you talk, the

799
00:45:40,796 --> 00:45:42,636
Speaker 3: way you think and stuff, and he had like put

800
00:45:42,716 --> 00:45:45,836
Speaker 3: us together, and I begrudgingly like got into a conversation

801
00:45:45,916 --> 00:45:48,036
Speaker 3: with Pete and I was like, Oh, this guy's actually

802
00:45:48,116 --> 00:45:52,516
Speaker 3: really great. Yeah, I mean, but there's tons, I mean,

803
00:45:52,516 --> 00:45:55,236
Speaker 3: there's so many different, so many people the band, like

804
00:45:56,756 --> 00:45:58,756
Speaker 3: you know gets along with I know Dave, actually, I

805
00:45:58,756 --> 00:46:01,956
Speaker 3: know Dave spends a bunch of time with like Mike

806
00:46:02,076 --> 00:46:05,036
Speaker 3: and Tray from Green Day and oh cool. Well, I

807
00:46:05,076 --> 00:46:07,476
Speaker 3: was telling somebody the other day one of my kids

808
00:46:07,596 --> 00:46:11,196
Speaker 3: friends is like obsessed with my chemical romance, and I

809
00:46:11,236 --> 00:46:13,356
Speaker 3: was like, you don't even know, like they're the like

810
00:46:14,356 --> 00:46:16,676
Speaker 3: Gerard in particular is like one of the sweetest guys

811
00:46:16,676 --> 00:46:19,396
Speaker 3: in the world, and that tour we did with that

812
00:46:19,436 --> 00:46:22,516
Speaker 3: band is like, to this day, my favorite tour that

813
00:46:22,556 --> 00:46:26,756
Speaker 3: we've done because they we were so we had such

814
00:46:26,756 --> 00:46:30,876
Speaker 3: a strong, like friendly competition with them. They were direct support.

815
00:46:30,916 --> 00:46:34,076
Speaker 3: They played right before us and played so well and

816
00:46:34,196 --> 00:46:36,516
Speaker 3: so hard every single night that they gave us a

817
00:46:36,596 --> 00:46:38,716
Speaker 3: run for our money, Like we were we had to

818
00:46:38,756 --> 00:46:41,996
Speaker 3: play better because they were playing so well.

819
00:46:42,796 --> 00:46:45,036
Speaker 2: Did you guys actually talk about it or was it

820
00:46:45,116 --> 00:46:46,156
Speaker 2: just like all the time?

821
00:46:47,356 --> 00:46:50,436
Speaker 3: All the time? I would like like I would we'd

822
00:46:50,636 --> 00:46:53,356
Speaker 3: Gerard and I would see each other on like backstage

823
00:46:53,436 --> 00:46:55,596
Speaker 3: or whatever, and we'd be like, dude, I think you

824
00:46:55,676 --> 00:46:59,676
Speaker 3: got us last night. That was a good one. And

825
00:46:59,836 --> 00:47:02,636
Speaker 3: it was back and forth. And he met his wife

826
00:47:02,636 --> 00:47:04,596
Speaker 3: on that on that tour as well, so that we

827
00:47:04,596 --> 00:47:07,596
Speaker 3: were like I was seeing him less because he was

828
00:47:07,796 --> 00:47:09,636
Speaker 3: hanging out with Lindsay Love.

829
00:47:10,156 --> 00:47:12,996
Speaker 2: So what's the latest, what's next? I know we're almost

830
00:47:13,036 --> 00:47:15,356
Speaker 2: at time. What's like right now for Lincoln Park? What

831
00:47:15,356 --> 00:47:16,396
Speaker 2: are you guys focusing on?

832
00:47:16,676 --> 00:47:18,916
Speaker 3: I mean so much? Well, I think the most important

833
00:47:18,916 --> 00:47:22,076
Speaker 3: thing is like we're in the midst of putting out

834
00:47:22,596 --> 00:47:25,636
Speaker 3: a few new songs, so we added we have a

835
00:47:25,636 --> 00:47:29,236
Speaker 3: deluxe version from zero out now, and yeah, it's gonna

836
00:47:29,236 --> 00:47:31,116
Speaker 3: have three new songs. We've debuted one of them it's

837
00:47:31,116 --> 00:47:34,076
Speaker 3: called Up from the Bottom. We love the song, and

838
00:47:34,156 --> 00:47:37,076
Speaker 3: the other two we love just as much, if not more.

839
00:47:37,756 --> 00:47:39,956
Speaker 3: And we're gonna be on tour heavy. This is like

840
00:47:40,076 --> 00:47:45,156
Speaker 3: probably the most aggressive tour year we've had in like

841
00:47:45,596 --> 00:47:50,556
Speaker 3: over a decade, maybe fifteen years. It's a lot of shows,

842
00:47:50,836 --> 00:47:54,236
Speaker 3: and the US in particular, we made a point to

843
00:47:54,316 --> 00:47:56,516
Speaker 3: like play a bunch of markets that we don't we

844
00:47:56,596 --> 00:47:59,796
Speaker 3: haven't hit in forever or we wouldn't usually get around to,

845
00:48:00,116 --> 00:48:02,276
Speaker 3: but to go to so we're super excited about that.

846
00:48:02,476 --> 00:48:04,556
Speaker 3: Gonna hit Europe after that and come back and play

847
00:48:04,636 --> 00:48:07,196
Speaker 3: more shows in the US and then go to Latin America.

848
00:48:07,716 --> 00:48:10,116
Speaker 2: How do you prepare for that? Personal, like, just as

849
00:48:10,116 --> 00:48:11,996
Speaker 2: far as taking care of yourself.

850
00:48:13,676 --> 00:48:17,716
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's that that, like, you know, very

851
00:48:17,836 --> 00:48:21,436
Speaker 3: much like pacing yourself. It's a marathon, honest print, Like

852
00:48:21,716 --> 00:48:25,196
Speaker 3: you gotta you know, pay attention to the fact that

853
00:48:25,236 --> 00:48:28,476
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, it's we have months and months of

854
00:48:28,516 --> 00:48:31,796
Speaker 3: shows coming up, and we tend to like we tend

855
00:48:31,836 --> 00:48:34,676
Speaker 3: to take it pretty easy on the road anyway. Like

856
00:48:35,836 --> 00:48:40,116
Speaker 3: I think Emily's actually even more like right now, she's

857
00:48:40,156 --> 00:48:42,876
Speaker 3: she's ever since we started these shows, like she's been

858
00:48:43,716 --> 00:48:49,516
Speaker 3: very diligent about her her you know, diet, her sleep,

859
00:48:49,756 --> 00:48:52,836
Speaker 3: her resting, her voice, Like every day off, every day

860
00:48:52,836 --> 00:48:55,756
Speaker 3: off is the vocal rest day. She actually doesn't speak

861
00:48:55,756 --> 00:48:58,196
Speaker 3: out loud on those days. Not kidding you.

862
00:48:58,316 --> 00:48:59,716
Speaker 2: I could see why, I know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And then yeah, and it's funny too because I

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Speaker 3: was her voice was fine. So I know she's just

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Speaker 3: like being extra careful. Yeah, but uh yeah, the tour,

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Speaker 3: This tour is like a very very ambitious schedule and

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Speaker 3: ambitious tour and we're super we were very excited about

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Speaker 3: so we want to really pace ourselves and do a

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Speaker 3: great job.

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Speaker 2: Cool, Well, thank you, so much, Mike for taking so

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Speaker 2: much time. I appreciate you and congrats on the success

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Speaker 2: of the new album.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, and.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to hear the next new album. Sounds like you're.

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Speaker 3: Working with We've got like I said, we got two

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Speaker 3: more songs in the pipeline, we got two on the way,

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Speaker 3: so I'm excited for everybody to hear those.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, have fun on tour. Take care of yourself, all right.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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