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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Senator Joe Manchin says, democracy as

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Speaker 1: we know it wouldn't withstand another Trump administration file that

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Speaker 1: under things we know, Please please don't run as a

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Speaker 1: third party candidate. We have an amazing show today. The

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Speaker 1: dogs are excited. Are you excited? I'm excited. Congressman Jared

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Speaker 1: Moskowitz from the Great State of Florida tells us about

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Speaker 1: the chaos in the House as Republicans can't run hearings,

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Speaker 1: or choose a speaker, or choose what to have for lunch.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to you off messages Brian Boittler about

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Speaker 1: the GOP's turn against Medgates. But first we have former

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Speaker 1: congressmen and current candidate in New York seventeenth District, Mondeir Jones.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Too Fast Politics, mondere Jones.

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Speaker 2: It's great to be here and what a week.

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Speaker 1: So for the people who don't text with you every

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Speaker 1: single day, you are probably like one of my frequent

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Speaker 1: flyers of my contacts. You were a member of Congress,

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Speaker 1: you got redistricted in New York just like everyone else.

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Speaker 1: With this last minute nonpartisan map that Andrew Cuomo created

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Speaker 1: it came back like a big postule and lost Democrats

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Speaker 3: You are now running for your.

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Speaker 1: District again, which is now occupied by a very nervous Republican.

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Speaker 2: A very nervous Republican in a district drawn by a

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Speaker 2: I've been allowed to run in my own district. Mike

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Speaker 2: Lawler has been all over cable TV, as you know, Mop,

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Speaker 2: and he has been as one does when they're running

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Speaker 2: and he's been masturating as this moderate who is going

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Speaker 1: So there are eighteen House Republicans who won in Biden districts,

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Speaker 3: I think it's six. Actually come from New York State.

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Speaker 2: That's right, approximately six. And the fact is that there

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Speaker 3: A lot of fucking up.

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Speaker 2: And let me remind people about the district that I'm

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Speaker 2: It's Rockland County, it's northern west Chester, it's Putnam County,

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Speaker 2: And here in the Lower Hudson Valley, we want our

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Speaker 2: like Kevin McCarthy who nearly shut down the government. Thank

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Speaker 2: And that was just a few days after a baseless

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Speaker 1: There was a time when you had moderate Republicans who

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Speaker 1: Lawler is just because he's not Matt Gates does not

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Speaker 1: It's such a crazy way to live. And I want

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Speaker 2: If there were any moderate Republicans remaining in the House

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Speaker 2: are you willing to vote for Kakiem Jeffries to be

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Speaker 2: At a minimum, that's what you would expect of someone

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Speaker 1: The House is a microcosm for the country, right, for

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Speaker 2: I think Matt Gates is exemplifying what the Republican Party

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Speaker 2: so there is some consistency between the idea of chaos

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Speaker 2: a horrible thing. It's a horrible motivation to be in office.

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Speaker 2: And of course he enjoys the attention and is fundraising

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Speaker 1: So I've heard a lot of different theories for his motivation.

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Speaker 1: One is that he felt he was not supported during

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Speaker 5: You got to think about this guy. This is a

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Speaker 1: That none of them defended him because they had seen videos.

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Speaker 2: Look at what they've been doing with respect to George Santos,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And who is going to be the next Speaker

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Speaker 1: So one of the cases that was made to me

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Speaker 2: And thirty percent cuts and walking away from your agreement

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Speaker 3: Much for joining us. Really appreciate you, No problem, Molly.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Jared Moscowitz represents Florida's twenty third congressional district. Welcome

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Speaker 4: Hi, Molly, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: You're a freshman congressman, right.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, it's been nine months of just absolute and

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Speaker 1: Freshman congressman from the state of Florida.

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Speaker 4: Yes, as they call it in other circles, the Free

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Speaker 3: Yes, the Free State of Florida.

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Speaker 1: First, let's talk about McCarthy had said he would take

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Speaker 1: What I think is really interesting about that impeachment hearing

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Speaker 4: Hakin did that intentionally. So we understood at the very

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Speaker 4: Well, because they have no evidence. Molly, think about it.

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Speaker 1: So after that hearing, did Republicans realize that it went

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Speaker 1: So every newsroom thought the government was going to shut

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Speaker 4: their side of the aisle. But yeah, when we saw

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Speaker 4: that fail, we absolutely concluded, well, if that's not good enough, right,

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Speaker 4: if cutting the government thirty percent is not good enough,

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Speaker 4: then only shutting it down must be what they wanted.

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Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy's basic pitch to Democrats was that he is

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Speaker 1: less awful than Jim Jordan. Right, that's sort of the devil,

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Speaker 1: you know, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But Kevin McCarthy in saying that he was, in fact

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Speaker 1: though he did do this impeachment right, so that was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, he had gas stove hearings, He tortured many

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Speaker 1: members of the Biden administration, bringing them in.

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Speaker 4: Has the government knocked on your door to take your

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Speaker 4: stove away yet?

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Speaker 1: If only? But I mean, he did all the stuff

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Speaker 1: that you know. The worry is Jim Jordan might do.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Jim Jordan doesn't have the votes right

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Speaker 1: now anyway, But like, how would that even work?

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, look, there are multiple narratives here

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Speaker 4: that can all simultaneously be true. Right. One narrative is that, yes,

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Speaker 4: I think a speaker Jim Jordan would be worse than

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Speaker 4: a speaker Kevin McCarthy. That narrative can be true. We

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Speaker 4: can agree on that. I think we can also agree

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Speaker 4: that if a Democrat filed a motion of vacate on

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Speaker 4: Nancy Pelosi, I think we can also agree that we

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Speaker 4: wouldn't have had one Republican vote to save Nancy Pelosi. Now, look,

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Speaker 4: people like myself, I'm not celebrating that the House now

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Speaker 4: doesn't have a speaker, and I don't think Democrats should

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Speaker 4: be celebrating that. I don't think Democrats should be celebrating

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Speaker 4: that Kevin McCarthy was removed, okay, because it's still going

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Speaker 4: to be a Republican speaker. We shouldn't celebrate this chaos.

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Speaker 4: Democrats need a functioning Republican Party. There's only two parties,

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Speaker 4: and we're always going to have either a divided House

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Speaker 4: of Representatives or divided Senate. We're always going to have

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Speaker 4: some sort of divided government, and we need a functioning

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Speaker 4: Republican Party. Donald Trump has made them non functioning. He

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Speaker 4: has ruined them in ways that I don't think anyone

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Speaker 4: anticipated that anyone could do to the Republican Party before

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump came on the scene. And it's unclear what

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Speaker 4: will be left of the Republican Party after Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: loses the election and how they will try to move

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Speaker 4: past that error. But look, Democrats don't vote for Republican speakers. Now,

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Speaker 4: that doesn't mean Molly, we didn't try to find a

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Speaker 4: potential deal for the Institution. There were many conversations going

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Speaker 4: on between Democrats and Republicans right to try not to

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Speaker 4: allow the Imaga wing to plunge the Institution into this

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Speaker 4: sort of chaos. But in order to have a deal,

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Speaker 4: the side that wants to deal, the moderate Republicans, have

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Speaker 4: to present something, and they presented nothing. They just wanted

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Speaker 4: us to help them. But this was an internal Republican

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Speaker 4: civil war between themselves. It didn't involve us. But also, look,

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Speaker 4: we have our own politics. Let's not pretend that politics

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Speaker 4: isn't a part of it. If Democrats went out and

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Speaker 4: saved Kevin McCarthy just because it was a Tuesday for

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Speaker 4: no other reason, no deal, not stopping the impeachment, not

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Speaker 4: getting more seats on rules, not getting Ukraine funding just

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Speaker 4: because we were asked to do it. Think about the

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Speaker 4: problems we'd have now in the Democratic caucus to progressives,

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Speaker 4: that the Democratic Progressives and the Democratic Moderates would be fighting,

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Speaker 4: and how came Jeffries would be having to referee that.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's a world where there ends up

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Speaker 1: being some kind of power sharing or now.

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Speaker 4: No, Listen, there were times this week where I thought, well,

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Speaker 4: maybe we're headed towards power sharing. It won't be real

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Speaker 4: power sharing, but maybe we can get a sliver, Maybe

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Speaker 4: we can get a little bit, Maybe we can get

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Speaker 4: a couple members more on rules and make things slightly

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Speaker 4: more moderate that come to the floor. I thought there

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Speaker 4: was a glimmer of that, but when the other side

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Speaker 4: didn't offer anything, and I think the reason ultimately they

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Speaker 4: realized why they didn't offer anything is not because they

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Speaker 4: didn't want to try. They recognized that they would They

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Speaker 4: would bleed even further.

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Speaker 3: Right because the base is so radicalized.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because of the base right, it's so radicalized. If

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Speaker 4: the Speaker made a deal with us to survive, it

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Speaker 4: would have been a short survival rather than having a fast,

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Speaker 4: quick death of yesterday, it would have been a slow

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Speaker 4: bleed where okay, now it went from eight, now it's ten,

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Speaker 4: now it's twelve, now it's fifteen, now twenty. The pressure

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Speaker 4: from outside Republican Twitter politics right would have been so

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Speaker 4: immense that it would have collapsed. And the amount of

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Speaker 4: Democrats it would have constantly taken to save the Speaker,

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Speaker 4: it would eventually not have worked. And so I concluded

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Speaker 4: after the last couple of days, and unfortunately, I don't

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Speaker 4: think that some sort of power sharing agreement can survive

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Speaker 4: in today's politics.

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Speaker 1: So there are eighteen vulnerable House Republicans who want in

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Speaker 1: Biden districts. I think six in New York. Some in Arizona, California,

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Speaker 1: they would like to not have a Jim Jordana speaker.

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Speaker 1: I always think back to like how Nancy Pelosi never

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Speaker 1: wanted her moderates, her people who came from swingey districts

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Speaker 1: to have to vote against or for very extreme legislation

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Speaker 1: because she thought it would hurt them. But that seems

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Speaker 1: to not be on the radar of Republicans at all.

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Speaker 4: Look, Nancy Pelosi will go down as one of the

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Speaker 4: greatest speakers of all time, and if that wasn't clear

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Speaker 4: before yesterday, it's super clear now. But at the same time,

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Speaker 4: Democrats didn't have this power. There's no doubt that Speaker

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Speaker 4: McCarthy's team when they finally agreed to lower the threshold

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Speaker 4: to one member being able to file a motion of

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Speaker 4: a kate. But you know, I'm making like a Marvel

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Speaker 4: Avengers reference when they gave Matt Gates the Infinity Stones.

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Speaker 3: The Infinity Stones, Yes.

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Speaker 4: It was only a matter of time until Matt Gates

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Speaker 4: snapped his fingers to make Kevin McCarthy disappear. This was

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Speaker 4: absolutely inevitable, by the way, I think many Republicans also

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Speaker 4: thought this was inevitable. Now they didn't know that Matt

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Speaker 4: would be able to get seven others to join him,

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Speaker 4: but they knew that at some point Matt would use this. Now,

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Speaker 4: apparently Matt made a promise he wouldn't. Okay, but come on,

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Speaker 4: this was power that an individual member has not had

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Speaker 4: in the House for a long time. It didn't happen

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Speaker 4: under Nancy because the power didn't exist. By the way,

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Speaker 4: it's an interest think kind of political conversation, which is,

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Speaker 4: if a single member had this power when Nancy was speaker,

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Speaker 4: would they have used it? Probably not, but they would

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Speaker 4: have used the threat of it right to move policy.

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Speaker 4: I think this is dangerous. I think giving one member

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Speaker 4: the ability to vacate a speaker when ninety five of

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Speaker 4: ninety six percent of your conference may support the speaker,

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Speaker 4: which is what happened here, and four percent of the

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Speaker 4: conference decides to remove the speaker, I think that's dangerous.

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Speaker 4: I don't think we should have a one person being

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Speaker 4: able to do that now. I don't think it should

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Speaker 4: go back to only like the majority leader or the whip.

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Speaker 4: I think it shouldn't go back just to leadership. I

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Speaker 4: think it could go to the members. But one no,

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Speaker 4: twenty thirty, Yeah, That makes a little more sense now

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Speaker 4: because now it's a much larger part of the caucus.

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Speaker 4: This was something Molly that members have been talking about

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Speaker 4: for months. Is Matt going to do it? Is Matt

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Speaker 4: not going to do it?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: It has been the back of the mind. After the

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Speaker 4: debt sealing deal, we thought there was a chance that

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Speaker 4: this could happen. But look, Matt was clearly very strategic.

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Speaker 4: He needed to wait for the moment in which he

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Speaker 4: could get other members to join him, and as soon

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Speaker 4: as he realized he had other members on his side

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Speaker 4: of the aisle to join him. I think Matt always

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Speaker 4: knew that, just like I said, Republicans would never vote

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Speaker 4: for Nancy Pelosi. I think Matt always knew Democrats wouldn't

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Speaker 4: vote for a Republican speaker. But that doesn't happen. By

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Speaker 4: the way, Democrats vote for Democratics speakers. Republicans vote for

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Speaker 4: Republican speakers. We don't vote for each other speaker. I

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Speaker 4: think Matt knew that, even though he was messaging for

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Speaker 4: weeks that, oh, I think the Democrats are going to

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Speaker 4: save him. I think the Democrats are gonna save him.

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Speaker 4: I think that was some just some you know, verbal

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Speaker 4: jiu jitsu Matt was doing. But I think Matt always

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Speaker 4: knew that he had to do it with his folks.

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Speaker 4: He had to find enough members on his side to

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Speaker 4: do it, and when he had it, he pulled the trigger.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Congressman.

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Speaker 2: I hope you'll come back absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Brian Boitler is the editor of the new substack Off Message.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 2: Brian, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Molly, you write a substack. Tell us a little bit

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Speaker 1: about your substack.

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Speaker 6: The substack is called off Message. I launched it well,

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Speaker 6: today's Thursday, as we record this. I launched it almost

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Speaker 6: two weeks ago, on Friday, the twenty eighth of September.

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Speaker 6: I think it is meant to make people feel okay

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Speaker 6: about fostering vigorous intra democratic party and intraliberal debate.

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Speaker 2: I launched it because I had this.

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Speaker 6: Kind of gnawing, brewing sense over the last few years,

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Speaker 6: at least that in the Biden era, but really the

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Speaker 6: in I think the post Trump era, that media on

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Speaker 6: or fractured into two camps. One that sort of like

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Speaker 6: Pro Democratic Party sort of presents a united front against

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump and authoritarianism, and then sort of more factional

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Speaker 6: media where there is obviously like dissenting opinion about the

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Speaker 6: Democratic Party or Joe Biden, but it's really about factional

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Speaker 6: grievances or factional concerns, and there isn't this sort of

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Speaker 6: freewheeling conversation among most liberals about how things are going

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Speaker 6: inside the house. I think that's totally understandable. I mean,

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Speaker 6: the Trump presidency was a very traumatic moment for the country.

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Speaker 6: It's reasonable for people to feel like there's a lot

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Speaker 6: of risk inherent in airing differences and revealing that not

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Speaker 6: everything is harmonious inside the big tent.

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Speaker 1: So speaking of not harmonious inside the big tent, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about what's not harmonious inside the GOP. Sure, Kevin

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Speaker 1: McCarthy nine months they decided, and a full term abortion

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Speaker 1: is something that is not a real thing, but that

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Speaker 1: Republicans love to talk about. The thing that gets me

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Speaker 1: furious is there is a mainstream media messaging operation that

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Speaker 1: is saying Democrats, you didn't save Kevin McCarthy, and you

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Speaker 1: blew it.

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Speaker 3: And now and now, oh you're going.

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Speaker 1: To see now Speaker Jim Jordan is going to exact

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Speaker 1: his revenge, like trying to impeach the president.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what does that revenge even look like?

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Speaker 6: Well, at the moment, it looks like very petty things, right, Like,

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Speaker 6: apparently under instruction from Kevin McCarthy, the interim leadership of

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Speaker 6: the House is expelling.

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Speaker 3: The guy who stands on the plastic crank.

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Speaker 2: That's Patrick McKenny.

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Speaker 6: He's expelling the Democratic leadership from some of their extra

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Speaker 6: office space on the Capitol. The hideaways, Yeah, they're hideaways,

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Speaker 6: and it just it's extremely petty.

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Speaker 3: This kind of really petty staff. Do voters like that?

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Speaker 6: So, I'm not sure how much of it voters see.

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Speaker 6: I think that like if you explained it to a voter,

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Speaker 6: a median voter and average voter, they would think that's

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Speaker 6: petty and stupid.

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Speaker 2: I don't like that.

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Speaker 6: I think the atmospherically, what you end up with is

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Speaker 6: like one party really likes to smack the other party around,

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Speaker 6: belittle them, abuse them. And that's not appealing per se.

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Speaker 6: But neither is like refue using the stand up for

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Speaker 6: yourself or not looking for ways to stand up for yourself.

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Speaker 6: And sometimes I think Democrats fall into this trap of

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Speaker 6: just assuming well everyone's going to see this Republican behavior,

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Speaker 6: They're going to be put off by it, and that's

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Speaker 6: all we have to do.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of like when John Kerry got swift voted.

658
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Speaker 6: It was this moment where they punched him in the

659
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 6: nose and a lot of people were like, well, that's unbecoming.

660
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 6: But they also, I think, didn't respond well to John

661
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 6: Kerrey's inability to like authentically stand up for himself and

662
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 6: it hurt him. And I think that that happens over

663
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 6: and over again in this kind of partisan conflict, This

664
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 6: idea that it was democrats job to rescue Kevin McCarthy

665
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 6: from his antagonist or save him from himself. I think

666
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 6: it like initially started with Republican operatives and conservative or

667
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 6: centrist pundits who were kind of looking for like a

668
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 6: hot take about the whole thing, but it has bled

669
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 6: into sort of mainstream cable news type commentary and coverage.

670
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Speaker 6: And it's part of a dynamic in mainstream journalism where

671
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 6: Republican extremism and kind of bad acting, this sort of

672
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 6: like their abusive will punch in the face stuff, is

673
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 6: just presumed that they will be dysfunctional, they will misgovern

674
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 6: the place. It's up to Democrats to clean everything up

675
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 6: or to make unreciprocated concessions to the Republicans to sort

676
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 6: of appease them so that they don't do too much damage.

677
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 6: And obviously that that's not a reasonable or fair or

678
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 6: sustainable way to organize the country or a fair expectation

679
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 6: for any kind of outside critic to impose on people

680
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 6: in parties and politics. It long predates this speakership fight,

681
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 6: and you're just seeing this manifestation of it. And I

682
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 6: agree it's extremely annoying.

683
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Speaker 3: But it's also for example, the threat of a Jim

684
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Speaker 3: Jordan's speakership, which I heard a number of sort of

685
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: people who are theoretically center as say, did he's going

686
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 3: to come after Democrats? Jim Jordan's speakership does not look

687
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 3: good for the eighteen Republicans who are desperately needed. If

688
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 3: Republicans want to keep the.

689
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Speaker 1: Hand right, I mean, like you know, Jim Jordan gets

690
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: up there and starts screaming and jumping up and down.

691
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: I mean, do soccer moms in Pennsylvania like that? I mean,

692
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: is that what they want?

693
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Speaker 6: I think Jim Jordan, for the reasons you articulate and others,

694
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 6: is going to have a hard time getting two hundred

695
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 6: and eighteen votes to become.

696
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: A speaker, but that's being held up as the threat

697
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: against Democrats, Like, so he's mean to the like ultimately

698
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: that's better for winning back the majority, and they've already

699
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: done everything crazy.

700
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Speaker 3: I don't understand do therapy for me?

701
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Speaker 6: There's a or what sort of question that hangs around

702
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 6: all this, Like what is worse than Kevin McCarthy, And

703
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 6: I think Democrats reason through this fairly intelligently before they

704
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 6: made the decision to unify and vote to aust McCarthy,

705
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 6: is that the House was already led by somebody who

706
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 6: was an apologist for the insurrection, who tried to undermine

707
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 6: the January sixth Committee, who brought Donald Trump back into

708
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 6: the party and launched the impeachment inpreak against Joe Biden.

709
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 6: So like, what is Jim Jordan going to do beyond that?

710
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 6: That's so much worse. I do think that, like if

711
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 6: Donald Trump himself were to become a speaker, and there

712
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 6: are Republicans talking about it, there's a level of narcissism,

713
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 6: of sabotage, of corruption where if you put somebody with

714
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 6: those qualities into the speakership. They could really take the

715
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 6: country in bad places. Like Donald Trump, I assume, would

716
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 6: you know, shut the government down and leave it to

717
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 6: close down and unlessen until the House defunded his prosecutions,

718
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 6: and then you'd have to wait and see our like

719
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 6: our five or six Republicans going to try to force

720
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Speaker 6: a vote to reopen the government.

721
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

722
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Speaker 6: They will have just voted for Donald Trump to become

723
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 6: a speaker. There's this theoretical realm where if you put

724
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 6: somebody who doesn't understand like what a public trust is

725
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 6: and is only in it for themselves into the speakership

726
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 6: and they're they're using it for their own personal purposes

727
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 6: as opposed to for partisan purposes or whatever else, they

728
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 6: could do a lot of damage. But Jim Jordan, is

729
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 6: he going to double impeach Joe Biden to Okay? I mean,

730
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 6: I guess let him. I think I think the attitude

731
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 6: should be. Look, if you want help getting somebody elected speaker,

732
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 6: you're going to have to make some reasonable concessions to us.

733
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 6: Maybe you can start by saying that the twenty twenty

734
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 6: election wasn't stolen, and we'll.

735
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Speaker 2: Give you some votes. But if you're not willing to

736
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: do that.

737
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 6: Bring it on, like, bring us your worst, It's up

738
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 6: to you, Like that is a you guys decision, and

739
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 6: so far, at least, I think that's the posture Democrats

740
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 6: have taken.

741
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: I think it's wise.

742
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it is just an incredible spot to

743
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: be in, Like Republicans have decided that they are going

744
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: to be held hostage by the far right, and then

745
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 1: sort of the larger situation is that, you know, somehow

746
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: this is Democrat's faults.

747
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't really know what Democrats can say beyond

748
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 6: like are you are you fucking kidding me? When people

749
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 6: try to say it's your fault.

750
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: It's such a sort of metaphor for where we are

751
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: in this fucker well.

752
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 6: I mean, if if you have a two hundred and

753
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 6: twenty two or whatever it is vote House majority, you

754
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 6: have two options. You can have a disciplined party that's

755
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 6: competent and operates in good faith with itself enough to

756
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 6: sustain two hundred and eighteen votes, you have four votes

757
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 6: to spare. This is what Nancy Pelosi was able to

758
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 6: do for two years and there was no internal effort

759
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 6: to depose her. Or if you can't do that, then

760
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 6: you more or less have to go to the other

761
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 6: party and say, all right, like, let's come up with

762
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 6: somebody who you can tolerate and give us, you know,

763
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 6: just enough votes to get over the hump. But then

764
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 6: it's not going to be one of your one of

765
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 6: your fire breathing partisans. It's going to be somebody who

766
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 6: understands that they need Democratic votes to sustain the speakership.

767
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: And as long as Republicans aren't willing.

768
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Speaker 6: To contemplate any kind of concessions like that, you know,

769
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 6: Democrats have kind of done all they could.

770
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: Maybe they can go out in front of the.

771
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Speaker 6: Cameras and kind of mock reporters for taking this notion

772
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Speaker 6: that they had some duty to rescue Kevin McCarthy seriously, Like,

773
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 6: I don't think anybody in the media sincerely believes that

774
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 6: it's just playing along with dumb, dumb talking points.

775
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, one of the really interesting things that I

776
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: think that's going on. And I don't know if it's

777
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: interesting exactly, but like it's really hard to know what's

778
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: happening polling wise, Like do you trust polls? I mean,

779
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: I saw an insane poll out of Pennsylvania that had

780
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: Bob Casey winning by ten points and Joe Biden losing

781
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: by three points.

782
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 6: I don't put much stock in them, just because the

783
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 6: election is so far out. There isn't a whole lot

784
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 6: of I think, like historical data to support this, because

785
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 6: there's only been forty five presidents. But you know, it's

786
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 6: two and a half years in to the Biden presidency.

787
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 6: I think some of the you know, the the novelty

788
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 6: of having beat Trump and pushed him out of office

789
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 6: has worn off, and warts are starting to show, and

790
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 6: people are a little bit you know, frustrated by this

791
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 6: or that, and so I think that there's a way

792
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 6: to understand why Joe Biden, despite being a much better

793
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 6: president than Donald Trump in every way, is polling at

794
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 6: a similar level to him, and the senators and governors

795
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 6: in their states are in a slightly less polarized political situation.

796
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 6: They're obviously almost all of them younger and a pure

797
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 6: younger than Biden, so they are pulling better than Biden.

798
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 6: But I think that when Donald Trump seals up the nomination,

799
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 6: which I expect he will, you know, American memories are short,

800
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 6: but I think that the memory of the Trump presidency

801
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 6: is still sharp enough and it will be people will

802
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 6: recall it when he becomes the nominee, and they'll be reminded,

803
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 6: you know why it is that they showed up to

804
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 6: vote for Joe Biden in twenty twenty, and the base

805
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 6: will reconsolidate around him and the poll and will improve.

806
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 6: I mean, I can't be certain that that's what's going

807
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 6: to happen.

808
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 3: But that seems like a likely scenario.

809
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 6: That's how like you can look at a poll that

810
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 6: says that and say that that is capturing something real

811
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 6: about public sentiment at the moment, But it doesn't mean

812
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 6: that the country is ready to go back.

813
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 3: To Trump, right.

814
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: It is interesting to me, though, like one of the

815
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: fundamental problems we're having here is that there's a real

816
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: economic inequality issue that is really a problem, and I

817
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: actually do think that Biden is trying to address that,

818
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: and you see him quietly trying to forgive student debt

819
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: in big tranchos. But that that's sort of the question.

820
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: If you want young people to vote for you, you have

821
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: to give them a reason, right.

822
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, I think you have to acknowledge or speak

823
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 6: to what they say their concerns are, even if their

824
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 6: concerns aren't about policy.

825
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: Or finances or whatever else.

826
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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, young people obviously, I think want

827
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 6: student loan forgiveness to happen, and we're happy when he

828
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 6: rolled out his plan and we're bummed when the Supreme

829
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 6: Court tossed it out.

830
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Speaker 2: But you know, they're also saying that, like.

831
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Speaker 6: The Democratic Party tells us that we are like we

832
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 6: have to vote as if our lives depend on it.

833
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 6: But they don't act like that when they're governing, and

834
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 6: they don't elevate people who are in our generation or

835
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 6: you know, just one generation older than us to leadership

836
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 6: positions within the party, like which is it?

837
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Speaker 2: Pick one?

838
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 6: If that's what their concern is. And I think Democrats

839
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 6: aren't doing themselves any favors by ignoring it. That doesn't

840
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 6: mean they have to like throw out Joe Biden and

841
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 6: throw out Chuck Schumer right now, but they should at

842
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 6: least say, hey, we hear you, and change is coming

843
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 6: and we and we get that you're speaking to a

844
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 6: real issue within the party. It's not going to be

845
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 6: us forever, and that might help on the sheer numbers

846
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Speaker 6: of it. The Biden economy has been great for inequality.

847
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Speaker 6: I mean, obviously inequality persists, but he's brought it down substantially. Right,

848
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Speaker 6: There's just been a lot of churn in this post

849
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 6: pandemic period, but policy wise and in the economy, and

850
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 6: it has you know, while on the whole brought income

851
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 6: inequality down, it has also created these weird things where

852
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Speaker 6: like a bunch of people get kicked off of Medicaid

853
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Speaker 6: and student.

854
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Speaker 2: Loans are going to be forgiven, but then they're not.

855
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Speaker 1: So a lot of the things that have happened during

856
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: the Biden administration that have been bad are things that

857
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Speaker 1: were consequences of this Supreme Court. Right, yes, So for example,

858
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Speaker 1: the fall of Row not being able to forgive the

859
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Speaker 1: student debt that he wanted to forgive, stuff like that.

860
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Speaker 1: So I've heard takes that Biden gets blamed for that

861
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Speaker 1: even though it wasn't his fault. I mean, do you

862
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Speaker 1: think that's a real phenomenon.

863
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 2: I think it's totally plausible.

864
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think it's a little bit mystifying why

865
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Speaker 6: Biden continues to be I mean, it's not like he's

866
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 6: we must respect the sanctity of the Supreme Court, and

867
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 6: I trust the good faith of all the nine justices.

868
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Speaker 6: He has gone further than that, right, he is willing

869
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 6: to say that there's problems there, but he has not

870
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Speaker 6: really been willing to hold them up as a foil.

871
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Speaker 1: I'm surprised by that because I know the idea of

872
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: more justices is wildly unpopular, but the idea of term

873
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Speaker 1: limits is not.

874
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: Yes.

875
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Speaker 6: And I mean, I don't think Biden necessarily has to

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Speaker 6: come out in favor of court pack He's actually come

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Speaker 6: out against it, so I doubt he's going to come

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Speaker 6: out in favor of it. But he could say sort

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Speaker 6: of vaguer thing like this Supreme Court, which Republicans stole,

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Speaker 6: is corrupted by money and has issued these illegitimate rulings,

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Speaker 6: and we are going to undo them. We are going

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Speaker 6: to bring back row, we are going to bring back

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Speaker 6: student debt relief, and we are going to use our

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Speaker 6: checks and balances to make sure that they don't for

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Speaker 6: the will of the people anymore. I mean, there's a

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Speaker 6: lot of ways you could message it without saying thirteen

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Speaker 6: justices or bust. And I think that to the extent

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Speaker 6: that Democrats pick up that their natural supporters don't really

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Speaker 6: understand that the Supreme Court was the reason that abortion

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Speaker 6: got thrown out.

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Speaker 2: Although I think almost everyone realizes that.

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Speaker 6: Or that the Supreme Court is the reason the student

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Speaker 6: loan reform got thwarted, which I think many maybe many.

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Speaker 2: People don't realize that.

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Speaker 6: If there's some knowledge gap there, fill it just say

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Speaker 6: the Supreme Court is the reason. But we have power

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Speaker 6: to checks and balances are the foundation of the American system,

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Speaker 6: and they have shown that they need to be checked,

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Speaker 6: and so we're going to check them. And then that's

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Speaker 6: how we're going to restore reproductive rights, and that's how

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Speaker 6: we're going to restore a student debt relief.

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Speaker 2: I would that's what I would say.

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Speaker 1: So interesting, Who do you think is going to be

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Speaker 1: Speaker of the House? Go?

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Speaker 3: It can be.

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Speaker 6: Crazy, probably Patrick McHenry. I think that it's not going

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Speaker 6: to be that interesting. Probably when all of a sudden done,

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Speaker 6: it's going to probably be a crazy process to get there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my take too. Go on.

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Speaker 6: My take is that all of the possible outcomes seems

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Speaker 6: so imp osbi, but one of them has to be true.

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Speaker 2: Right, So somebody from.

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Speaker 6: The problem solvers realm, you know, who's like has tried

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Speaker 6: to create distance from MAGA is going to be elected

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Speaker 6: with like fifty to fifty support from Democrats, Republicans, or

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Speaker 6: they'll find a conservative like like Tom Cole from Oklahoma

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Speaker 6: who's very conservative but has like never really been part

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Speaker 6: of the MAGA scene, you know what I mean. And

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Speaker 6: I think Democrats think that he's like somebody you can

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Speaker 6: talk to and work with, and he could get he

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Speaker 6: could get seventy five percent of the votes from Republicans

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Speaker 6: and twenty five percent from Democrats.

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Speaker 2: But it's a strange situation.

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Speaker 3: They got to get to eighteen man.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think Democrats have some you know, have

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Speaker 6: some messaging options. They can say, we need if you

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Speaker 6: want our votes, we need a speaker who doesn't reject

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Speaker 6: the twenty the results of the twenty twenty election, like

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Speaker 6: doesn't reject ad Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Such a low bar. I'm laughing to keep from crime. Yes,

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Speaker 3: thank you, Brian.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: Molly was great the moment second Jesse.

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Speaker 7: Cannon, Molly Jong Fast. I have never seen someone more

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Speaker 7: thirsty for attention than Marjorie Taylor Green and how excited

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Speaker 7: she is at the idea that mister Trump is coming

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Speaker 7: to visit the GOP clucus and could maybe be their

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Speaker 7: new Speaker of the House.

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Speaker 1: It's the Donald Trump friend, Olympics and Marjorie Taylor Green

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Speaker 1: is a candidate no listen.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I would it's hard for me.

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Speaker 1: To imagine a worse candidate for Speaker if you want

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Speaker 1: to rewin the House than Donald Trump, and so I

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Speaker 1: encourage Republicans to please nominate this person. Those eighteen vulnerable

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Speaker 1: House Republicans are going to be completely and utterly screwed

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Speaker 1: if Donald Trump becomes Speaker of the House.

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Speaker 3: And that is our moment of fuck Erray.

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