Speaker 1: Welcome back to Unplugged.
Speaker 2: A wise man once said a violence is never the answer,
Speaker 2: but sometimes it is. That wise man was me, and
Speaker 2: that shit cost me about thirty thousand dollars. Obviously, the
Speaker 2: hot topic right now is Joel Embiid and Marcus Hayes's
Speaker 2: incident in Philly where the reporter mentioned his dead brother
Speaker 2: and newborn son, and obviously and B took offense to it.
Speaker 2: There was an altercation. I guess some pushing happened. The
Speaker 2: NBA just suspended embid for three days, and I think
Speaker 2: the Sixers actually issued an apology on I guess Joelle's behalf.
Speaker 2: Criticism is something all athletes have to deal with, particularly
Speaker 2: star athletes, MVPs, leaders of teams, guys that are making
Speaker 2: max and I think players are fine with the criticism
Speaker 2: because I think it comes with the territory. Where they
Speaker 2: cross the line is when you start bringing people's families
Speaker 2: into it and think that that shit is going to
Speaker 2: be okay. He's lucky it wasn't more. I've been saying
Speaker 2: for a while that the line has been blurred or
Speaker 2: erased with the disrespect that the media has towards the players.
Speaker 2: It's less journalism these days and more, just hot takes,
Speaker 2: what can go viral? What can I say, We're going
Speaker 2: to be the loudest and most disrespectful thing I can
Speaker 2: say to a player, and people hit the like button.
Speaker 2: This is not just with medium players. It's also been
Speaker 2: with fans and players the last couple of years. Fans
Speaker 2: across the line by throwing things, thinking they can say whatever,
Speaker 2: getting in people's faces and acting like because we make
Speaker 2: money or because we're professional athletes, we're not supposed to
Speaker 2: react or have feelings. And I think the NBA needs
Speaker 2: to do a better job. I think that they do
Speaker 2: a great job in a lot of other areas, but
Speaker 2: I think this is one area that they're struggling. And
Speaker 2: they protect everybody but the product. You look at all
Speaker 2: the incidents with the fans and what's going on, and
Speaker 2: it's always the players that are being suspended or fined.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there's some repercussions for the fans, but
Speaker 2: I feel like the NBA goes out of its way
Speaker 2: to protect the fans and protect the media, but not
Speaker 2: protect the players. Why is Marcus Hayes not suspended?
Speaker 1: Why is.
Speaker 2: Why is he not fined? And this is not his
Speaker 2: first trip down this lane. He's been known for doing
Speaker 2: a lot of coonery in this space for a while.
Speaker 2: Someone who personally hasn't been debta against Joel Embiid, someone
Speaker 2: who comes around practices and the players try to avoid
Speaker 2: him as much as possible. He's always trying to do
Speaker 2: or say something to bring attention to him because he's
Speaker 2: just not very good at what he does. I think
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's not okay to
Speaker 2: disrespect players. It's not definitely not okay to disrespect their families.
Speaker 2: I think we all sign up knowing that a lot
Speaker 2: of criticism is going to come with this job. And
Speaker 2: you can criticize us for our poor play, our leadership,
Speaker 2: how bad our teams are, whatever you feel like you
Speaker 2: need to criticize over, that's okay. But you cross the
Speaker 2: line when you talk about someone's family. And I'll say this, thankfully,
Speaker 2: it was just a push, But who knows what the
Speaker 2: next time. What's going to happen next time when something
Speaker 2: like this happens. So I feel like something needs to
Speaker 2: be done. So this is just my point of view. Obviously,
Speaker 2: as a former player that's transitioned into the media space,
Speaker 2: I'm always going to have a player's back, but I'm
Speaker 2: also going to tell them when they're wrong. Critiquing is
Speaker 2: a tough part of.
Speaker 1: The job, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: We are as media members now our job is to
Speaker 2: critique what we see. And again, like I said, I
Speaker 2: think critiquing is fine when we're talking about the game,
Speaker 2: but anything outside, particularly pertaining with family, is not okay.
Speaker 2: So the further this discussion, I'm gonna bring in my brother,
Speaker 2: the one and only Van Lathan to talk a little
Speaker 2: media and some other stuff. This embiid thing is cooking up.
Speaker 2: I think the lines have been blurred between media and players,
Speaker 2: fans and players. What are your thoughts about what you're
Speaker 2: kind of seeing in this situation, in particular where he's
Speaker 2: talking about a dead brother and a son.
Speaker 3: So it's good that Joelle and Bid did what he did.
Speaker 3: It's not a good It's not ever good to like,
Speaker 3: we don't ever want to encourage, particularly black men to
Speaker 3: use violence as a meed as a means of conflict resolution.
Speaker 3: But I'm telling you why it's good. It's good because
Speaker 3: it starts a conversation, or it furthers the conversations or
Speaker 3: deepens the conversation, and the conversation is about whether or
Speaker 3: not someone is a person or a thing. If Joel
Speaker 3: Embiid is a person, then you know that what you
Speaker 3: said and how you went to make your point about
Speaker 3: his basketball play is completely out of bounds.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: I talked about I lost my father in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: and you know, you can make any point that you
Speaker 3: need to make to me. You can say anything that
Speaker 3: you need to say to me without invoking one of
Speaker 3: the most painful moments of my life to make that point.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: And so whereas we don't want to give anybody carte
Speaker 3: blanche to say, hey, you said something that I hurt
Speaker 3: my feelings, so now I'm gonna put hands on you,
Speaker 3: what I think is important to say is that long
Speaker 3: before he was a basketball player, Joel Embiid was a brother,
Speaker 3: someone who loved his brother, someone who has memories and
Speaker 3: a deep affection and connection to his brother. And bringing
Speaker 3: that up so you can make a point about whether
Speaker 3: or not somebody is available for a Tuesday night game
Speaker 3: against Milwaukee's just wild.
Speaker 2: This is obviously an interesting topic because it's been debated
Speaker 2: and dwelled on over the last two and a half
Speaker 2: three weeks. I think since he mentioned he wasn't playing
Speaker 2: in back to backs, and you know, whether he was
Speaker 2: gonna play, it wasn't gonna play. I personally thought that's
Speaker 2: where he kind of opened the floodgates. When you come
Speaker 2: out and say, hey, I'm not playing in back to backs,
Speaker 2: you're opening yourself up for more criticism and critique. At
Speaker 2: the same time, it shouldn't open you up for personal attacks.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, Look, let's say that Joel and be
Speaker 3: the soft. Let's say that any basketball player is soft.
Speaker 3: I'm not calling him soft, Let's say that he is.
Speaker 3: Let's say that somebody is soft on the basketball court.
Speaker 3: They don't play the game hard, they don't close out,
Speaker 3: they don't fake the ball and people face. Let's say that.
Speaker 3: Let's say that. Let's say that somebody is soft, Okay,
Speaker 3: on the basketball court. Is that same person not going
Speaker 3: to defend their family if somebody runs into their house?
Speaker 1: No, it's different.
Speaker 3: Is that same person gonna let you rap his girl's
Speaker 3: ass on the street? So when you say soft, what
Speaker 3: are you talking about? Context matters? Soft basketball player, that
Speaker 3: leader on the basketball court. When you say this person
Speaker 3: is not a leader, does this mean that this person
Speaker 3: cannot lead their family. Does this mean this person isn't
Speaker 3: a leader in their community. When you use these terms
Speaker 3: that are all encompassing to describe somebody's basketball game, you're
Speaker 3: saying a lot more about them than what you might
Speaker 3: even think that you're saying. So when you're talking to
Speaker 3: him and writing that little piece, you're saying he's disrespecting
Speaker 3: his dead brother by missing a basketball game, you out
Speaker 3: your fucking mind.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: You gotta have at that if you gonna if you're
Speaker 3: gonna drop your nuts to that degree, you can't be
Speaker 3: mad when somebody get you know what I'm saying, So
Speaker 3: and so to me, what I'm saying is it's all gravy.
Speaker 3: I get it. The game lends itself to criticism. We
Speaker 3: pore over this stuff, But man, bruh, have a little
Speaker 3: cool think about what you're talking about it and who
Speaker 3: you talking to.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I'll close it up with saying
Speaker 2: I mean, I think obviously there needs to be a
Speaker 2: deeper conversation about lines and boundaries in sports. Media is
Speaker 2: kind of shifted over the last handful of years. But
Speaker 2: DeMarcus Hayes, I mean, you have a track record of bullshit.
Speaker 2: This was another bullshit move.
Speaker 1: You pulled.
Speaker 5: Hopefully it stops here.
Speaker 2: Hopefully you're not running to do no kind of lawsuit
Speaker 2: or any kind of funny business. And I also think
Speaker 2: the league really needs to take a look into protecting
Speaker 2: its players. Absolutely protect the asset, because there wouldn't be
Speaker 2: no other bullshit if it wasn't for the asset. There
Speaker 2: wouldn't be no fans, there wouldn't be no media if
Speaker 2: it wasn't for the asset.
Speaker 5: So protect the asset. Then the day after.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, November sixth, twenty twenty four, by the way,
Speaker 2: congratulate or happy birthday to my sons as Theay and Carter.
Speaker 5: They're sixteen today. I can't believe I have sixteen year olds.
Speaker 2: Man, Yes, I love you, But you know, we just
Speaker 2: witnessed probably the craziest presidential run.
Speaker 5: Hopefully we'll ever see.
Speaker 2: I hope we don't have to see no more bullshit
Speaker 2: like this type of just how it's taken over everything.
Speaker 2: You posed a great question yesterday and we really didn't
Speaker 2: debate it. Excuse me, might have been this morning. What
Speaker 2: do we learn from this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, much more thing.
Speaker 1: What do we learn from this?
Speaker 3: Oh we don't know yet. Well that's not true.
Speaker 1: We do know.
Speaker 3: This is what we learned, and it's a tough pill
Speaker 3: to swallow. America is magan, America is maggan. It's a
Speaker 3: clear mandate that was given. The question now is why
Speaker 3: what messages didn't land, What attempts, what speeches, what policy
Speaker 3: didn't resonate? Like why why did people vote to deport
Speaker 3: their cousins. Why did women vote to subjugate their daughters,
Speaker 3: Why did people vote to suppress their neighbors. Why did
Speaker 3: people vote for the legacy of their slavers? Why why
Speaker 3: did they do that? Because as much as we can
Speaker 3: be angry about it, we have to figure out the
Speaker 3: calculus that allows us to stem the tide. I'll tell
Speaker 3: you what won't get there, well, won't get us there?
Speaker 5: Tears you cry, man, cry, get it out, cry now.
Speaker 3: I wrote, Yeah, I wrote something earlier. Just real quick,
Speaker 3: I tell you about once again. My dad. I had
Speaker 3: like the little tenspeed bike. Ten speed bike had the
Speaker 3: sometimes the fucking the break break comes off the bike.
Speaker 3: The break was dangling, hit the front spokes. I flipped
Speaker 3: over the front of the bike. Bust my shit. My
Speaker 3: dad saw me. He comes over and I'm about to
Speaker 3: get up, and he's like nah, nah, stay there like breathe,
Speaker 3: living it for a second to catch your breath. Now
Speaker 3: I'm freaking out because I'm seeing blood. I'm cut. It's
Speaker 3: blood's everywhere, and I'm like, oh my god, don't worry
Speaker 3: about the blood. He's like, blood is a blessing unless
Speaker 3: you know that you're hurt. Sometimes you don't know your hurt. Heart, disease, diabetes,
Speaker 3: all these things. You don't know that you're hurt. But
Speaker 3: you can see yourself bleeding. Now it's your responsibility to heal.
Speaker 3: It's your responsibility to get better. It's your responsibility to
Speaker 3: do the thing. It's also your responsibility to fix your
Speaker 3: fucking bike. So all of that stuff, so you don't
Speaker 3: flip over the handlebars again, get up, get to it,
Speaker 3: take your time. I'm not going to dehumanize you. Do
Speaker 3: your whole thing. But you went to bed, dry your sheets,
Speaker 3: wash them. Let's get the fuck back to work. Midterms
Speaker 3: in two years, and you have to be a force
Speaker 3: to change the electorate in a way that reflects your values.
Speaker 3: If we can't do that, if we spend too much
Speaker 3: time crying, we're going to spend more time dying. So
Speaker 3: let's get to.
Speaker 2: I think gender and race played a huge role obviously
Speaker 2: in this situation. You know, to think that that Latino
Speaker 2: men came out in the waves, they did, and his
Speaker 2: main thing is mass importation. How white women came out
Speaker 2: in the wave and he's taking rights away and flipping
Speaker 2: back and forth on that. I think he did a
Speaker 2: he ran on fear and attack the issues rather to
Speaker 2: me than policy. Actually he still doesn't really have no pot,
Speaker 2: Like what are we looking for now?
Speaker 1: What's the plan?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I think he ran on obviously the economy, things were
Speaker 2: better when Trump was president, not knowing that Trump was
Speaker 2: riding Obama's wave and still ended up crashing that wave.
Speaker 2: He ran on the fear of crazy rapist drug dealer
Speaker 2: coming into this country and taking jobs and we need
Speaker 2: to build you know. He ran on our insecurities and
Speaker 2: our fears and people bought into it.
Speaker 5: So what do we do now moving forward?
Speaker 2: Are we fuck Trump and fuck the people that voted
Speaker 2: for him, or are we like, okay, here we're going
Speaker 2: to hear now, you know, could you hear a lot
Speaker 2: of people that lost friendships and over this running? You know,
Speaker 2: where do we go now? Moving forward? As far as
Speaker 2: do we hope he fails. I don't hope he fails,
Speaker 2: because I want to see this country do well. Do
Speaker 2: we cut that we're doing, do we not fuck with
Speaker 2: the people who voted for Like, what is your thought?
Speaker 2: There's so much stuff going on with your thought.
Speaker 3: That's a fantastic question. So with me, I don't tend
Speaker 3: to take things that personally right. So there are going
Speaker 3: to be people out there that supported Trump and have
Speaker 3: supported Trump. It is what it is. It depends on
Speaker 3: why you support them right now. If you support them,
Speaker 3: let's be clear. Let's be clear. If you support Trump,
Speaker 3: then you support somebody who wants my inclusion, marginalized, wants
Speaker 3: my history. You're raised and to me, gives voice to
Speaker 3: the most reprehensible people in America on my existence. And
Speaker 3: that's what you're supporting. It doesn't matter if you're a black, white, red,
Speaker 3: green man woman. That's what you're supporting. So you support that,
Speaker 3: and you will wear that, and I will judge you
Speaker 3: through that, lens, I have to. For some reason, you
Speaker 3: decided that your economic status or your status as a
Speaker 3: man is more important than my history, my inclusion, the
Speaker 3: sovereignty of the body of the women, the bodies of
Speaker 3: the women's that I share my community with all of
Speaker 3: that stuff. So you made that calculous and you'll live
Speaker 3: with that, and I'll judge you based on that. Don't
Speaker 3: mean bring it up every time I see you. Don't
Speaker 3: mean I'm a waste my breath trying to fight with
Speaker 3: you every single time. Don't have time for that. But
Speaker 3: everyone can deal with that on their own. What I
Speaker 3: will say is this about the election itself. Whether or
Speaker 3: not I want Trump to fail or succeed, I don't
Speaker 3: think of things in those terms. I want American people
Speaker 3: to succeed. I want American people to be okay. I
Speaker 3: want American people to be safe. I want the people
Speaker 3: of south Bound Ruge, Louisiana to be safe. I want
Speaker 3: the black people, the black women, to be safe. And
Speaker 3: it's not Trump's job to make them safe. It's my
Speaker 3: job to make them safe. And another part of this
Speaker 3: is just the way we view our country. This election
Speaker 3: was essentially about people who believe that America is safer
Speaker 3: when it's in the hands of unrepentant and aggressive whiteness.
Speaker 3: We have to confront that idea because the reality is
Speaker 3: the people that walking onto planes and feel better when
Speaker 3: the pilot is white. The people that hire lawyers and
Speaker 3: feel better when the lawyers are white, the people that
Speaker 3: feel better with white judges, the people that feel better
Speaker 3: when they see the white police, the people that feel
Speaker 3: better when a white man has his hands around American society.
Speaker 3: Those people did not invent that idea. It was incepted
Speaker 3: into them. It was given to them. What we're trying
Speaker 3: to say is everybody else can do this too. We
Speaker 3: have built before, and we can build. And what America
Speaker 3: continuously tells us is no, we are one for three
Speaker 3: against Trump, and the only guy that could beat them
Speaker 3: was somebody who is older and wider.
Speaker 5: He said older and wider. Okay, I mean she was.
Speaker 1: She was.
Speaker 2: You got to think ten former president, you know, ten
Speaker 2: years in the making and in this whole of you know,
Speaker 2: creating this image and taking on a characteristic and being
Speaker 2: this guy that represents people who fear change. You know,
Speaker 2: we don't want the shit to go that way. We
Speaker 2: don't want you know, we don't want this, We don't
Speaker 2: want that. But I will say I want to congratulate
Speaker 2: Kamala within one hundred days of trying to sell yourself
Speaker 2: and make people understand you, that that's not enough time
Speaker 2: to genuinely address demographics, particularly the demographics she missed it.
Speaker 2: But to raise a billion dollars in one hundred days,
Speaker 2: the way she carried herself, the way she destroyed him
Speaker 2: in the debate, the policy plans she planned to try
Speaker 2: to implement. She did a lot of stuff in just
Speaker 2: over one hundred days.
Speaker 3: And by the way, we need her and we need
Speaker 3: everyone now not to go into hibernation. Look, man, two years,
Speaker 3: two years, a lot of y'all. There's no need to
Speaker 3: name call or to call people out. There will be
Speaker 3: time for that when we're not looking our wounds. These
Speaker 3: people need to see y'all. Remember I said that we
Speaker 3: don't care about how Joel Embiide is playing against Milwaukee
Speaker 3: on a random Tuesday night. You know who does care
Speaker 3: about where you are on a random Tuesday night. The
Speaker 3: black voter in the hood. They need to see you
Speaker 3: on that random Tuesday night and on the Tuesday when
Speaker 3: it's time for the election. We need to see and
Speaker 3: feel the impact of people in our communities, in other
Speaker 3: community these we need to wholly re educate ourselves politically.
Speaker 3: When you're talking to somebody about politics, step back and
Speaker 3: just ask them. What kind of world do you want?
Speaker 3: What kind of society makes sense to you? Right? What
Speaker 3: do you think? What tax rates should you be playing? Right?
Speaker 3: Who should be paying for your kids schooling? What kind
Speaker 3: of schools should your kids have? What kind of rights
Speaker 3: should your women have? What kind of rights should be
Speaker 3: codified into law, what kind of rights or social contracts?
Speaker 3: What are the things? And then get the calculus of
Speaker 3: that and talk to that people person about what they are.
Speaker 3: Because if we make these issues about sex change operations,
Speaker 3: or culture war issues, or any of these things that
Speaker 3: we care so deeply about in us trying to protect people,
Speaker 3: if we make these things about single issues that connect
Speaker 3: people to some sort of moral imperative, we're going to
Speaker 3: continue to lose people. But if we make it about
Speaker 3: them and the way that they see the world, what
Speaker 3: you'll see is they agree with you more than they disagree.
Speaker 3: And we just haven't done that. We haven't raised the
Speaker 3: political iq of the people that we're trying to reach.
Speaker 1: Messaging. Messaging is crucial.
Speaker 5: Band before we get get you out of here. Yeah,
Speaker 5: little Wayne Wheezy fest Uh spoke to his hometown about
Speaker 5: how much it hurt him to have the Super Bowl
Speaker 5: opportunity taken from him. What it would it meant to
Speaker 5: have his mom in the crowd as he performs in
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Thoughts.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is your home too from bat Rouge.
Speaker 2: Talk talk to me about this, so can you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Will So? Wayne is a goat, no question. Like I
Speaker 3: said this on the podcast, and people get mad at
Speaker 3: me when I think of Louisiana Musical leg cause I
Speaker 3: put Wayne up there with Louis Armstrong with the grades.
Speaker 3: Like literally right, it's up there with them. Nobody took
Speaker 3: nothing from Wayne.
Speaker 5: Hmmm.
Speaker 3: Was not given to Wayne to be taken away from Wayne? Okay,
Speaker 3: all my rapper friends out there, I love you guys.
Speaker 3: We gotta talk about what the rapper thinks of themselves.
Speaker 3: I've never met anyone who looked at the world quite
Speaker 3: like my brother's in hip hop, Like Wayne taken away
Speaker 3: from you. Nobody took shit from you. Dog. It's a
Speaker 3: concert thrown by these white people and they picked the
Speaker 3: other black guy. That's what happened. Like it's like, nobody
Speaker 3: took nothing from you. You ain't at no lunch, countess
Speaker 3: like you gotta you say you saying this in front
Speaker 3: of a whole group of people going crazy for you, Wayne,
Speaker 3: you up, you made it. Maybe you're not entitled to
Speaker 3: do the super Bowl right, You're not. And by the way,
Speaker 3: bad time to ask me about them, because the fuck
Speaker 3: with you, Wayne, but you took some picture. Never mind,
Speaker 3: But anyway, love the Hot Boys. Was so excited to
Speaker 3: see the Hot Boys reunion. I hope they go on tour.
Speaker 3: New Orleans will be okay, Louisiana'll be okay, and more
Speaker 3: than anything, Lil Wayne will be okay.
Speaker 2: Let me push back a little obviously, first and foremost,
Speaker 2: because I love Kendrick. I'm West Coast till I die,
Speaker 2: and I think he's gonna have a great show. So
Speaker 2: by no means is this damn why is it? But
Speaker 2: I think, like you said, a legend, his body of work,
Speaker 2: the opportunity for him, to me to look at.
Speaker 5: It, to righte off into the sunset, Yeah you know what,
Speaker 5: I mean, to.
Speaker 2: Kind of put him up in that stratosphere where I've
Speaker 2: done everything and now I played the super Bowl, super
Speaker 2: Bowl in front of my hometown. To me, I think
Speaker 2: it could have been a perfect Swan song type situation
Speaker 2: to a legend, legendary career. And again, that takes nothing
Speaker 2: away from dot and how he's about to fuck this
Speaker 2: Super Bowl up. I'm excited about what he's bringing to
Speaker 2: the table. There's nobody hotter in the business right now.
Speaker 2: But I thought this could have been a perfect like,
Speaker 2: kind of a perfect bow on an incredible career.
Speaker 3: Look sad and I don't disagree. If it was me
Speaker 3: doing it, it had been all Louisiana, I'd have had
Speaker 3: partners in crime, young bleed mc nero. You don't even
Speaker 3: know these people, you know. I would have had all
Speaker 3: of these motherfuckers. I'd have had it had been going crazy,
Speaker 3: pump to pump, the party, the whole fucking thing. However,
Speaker 3: nobody took shit from him. Maybe it should have been him,
Speaker 3: Maybe it would have been awesome for it to be him.
Speaker 3: But I'm just to a point in my life right now,
Speaker 3: as a forty four year old man where if you
Speaker 3: get to complaining and getting the woe was Me situation out,
Speaker 3: it gotta be real. I don't have time for the
Speaker 3: for the for the crocodile t is Wayne is gonna
Speaker 3: be Wayne. Wayne is a giant, the littlest giant in
Speaker 3: hip hop history. But the reality is a concert didn't
Speaker 3: get the concert.
Speaker 1: We love you, We always gonna love you.
Speaker 3: Let's move on and let's do something else. Bro, last thing,
Speaker 3: last thing, Let's do something else. Can we stop bending
Speaker 3: the knee for everything? Can we stop begging for everything?
Speaker 3: Can we stop getting emotional when we don't get a
Speaker 3: halftime show at the super Bowl? You're in front of
Speaker 3: your people. They love you. Take the NAACP Image Award.
Speaker 3: Love that love it as much as the Oscar Love
Speaker 3: what people love about you. Yeah, man, God damn it.
Speaker 3: I don't fuck with it. That's how I feel about
Speaker 3: the whole way thing. I didn't like it, all right, man.
Speaker 1: I appreciate your time.
Speaker 2: Man, make sure you come back with check in with you, man,
Speaker 2: and we'll talk to you later, no problem. Brod so
Speaker 2: back by popular demands, the one and only neighborhood hater.
Speaker 1: How you feeling, bro? Dodgers are world champions? Yes?
Speaker 6: And you know what we went through to get that.
Speaker 6: You've been down with for a minute. We've been had
Speaker 6: our heart broken a long time, baby, like a decade, so.
Speaker 1: Enjoyed.
Speaker 2: This decade is not that long compared to what some
Speaker 2: other teams have gone through.
Speaker 1: You guys just wanted the World Series. A couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, right.
Speaker 6: But it was kind of a world series, sort of
Speaker 6: kind of like the Lakers. Yeah, as yes, absolutely in
Speaker 6: this county is still a ring though, right it is.
Speaker 1: But we didn't get a parade. We didn't even get
Speaker 1: a check e cheese party for it. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Nothing y'all deserve more.
Speaker 1: Absolutely so.
Speaker 2: They they people were falling, falling off of three story
Speaker 2: buildings and blowing their hands off. They y'all celebrated absolutely
Speaker 2: and burned the bus down.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 6: We tore up a way more car, you know, the
Speaker 6: self driving car. Did they graffiti on it? We wrote it,
Speaker 6: surfed it and everything. Yes, you know how to go
Speaker 6: West Coast? Yes, indeed ship was real. Yes, so so.
Speaker 2: Dave Roberts just recently said in an interview that he
Speaker 2: felt like the Padres was like that was that was
Speaker 2: y'all's world series. And you got San Diego and they
Speaker 2: they they really kicked their ass all year, all year.
Speaker 5: So what were you How were you feeling about.
Speaker 4: It from your I felt from my perspective, that was
Speaker 4: the world Series. I felt that at that moment in
Speaker 4: time when we started the postseason, they were one through
Speaker 4: twenty six, the best team.
Speaker 6: Yes, it is, and we have to see them moving
Speaker 6: forward a lot.
Speaker 1: They're young.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, did we get lucky against them? No, we just
Speaker 6: had their number.
Speaker 5: Going into the situation. You sare y'all was going to lose.
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Should you do though, well, front.
Speaker 2: Run yourself sabotaged because you know what's going to be
Speaker 2: the outcome.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, because you've seen what happened to us over
Speaker 6: the years, you know, and the Padres are a team
Speaker 6: we've been kind of chasing.
Speaker 1: For a minute.
Speaker 6: We had one of their players, Manny Machado, who became
Speaker 6: a trader, moved to their team. Could you like a kidding?
Speaker 6: And he was talking big cash he was against us.
Speaker 6: So I'm happy, bro, I'm looking forward to next season.
Speaker 6: You know, La fans, we think we're the general managers.
Speaker 1: There may not be as many Dodger fans next season though,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave that one alone. I'm let you guys
Speaker 1: make what you want of that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: But true story. But uh, yeah, man, we think we're
Speaker 6: general managers. You know, we have to look forward.
Speaker 1: To what years?
Speaker 2: I mean, So, doo, you saw the Yankee just offered
Speaker 2: thirteen to five seventy five If so do some of
Speaker 2: you think you guys can.
Speaker 6: Grab Absolutely, we have money to spend lots, so six
Speaker 6: hundred millions over like ten years. Yeah, and I believe
Speaker 6: he's coming. I believe he loves Los Angeles, so who doesn't.
Speaker 6: And look how the Yankees did him too dirty the
Speaker 6: fifth inning?
Speaker 1: Crazy?
Speaker 6: Come on, man, he's go ahead. I was gonna say,
Speaker 6: he's our number one priority in the off season.
Speaker 1: Get him.
Speaker 5: Will we see you tiny on the mound next year?
Speaker 6: Absolutely? Thank god he didn't hurt his throwing shoulder. You know,
Speaker 6: he hurt the other shoulder, and he was already clocking up,
Speaker 6: you know, the high nineties, already coming back.
Speaker 1: Do we need him to pitch? Yes? Next year? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: we needed them in the World Series. Could he use them?
Speaker 6: Absolutely, could have used him, but uh, he just had surgery.
Speaker 6: Hopefully he's ready for the off season and you know,
Speaker 6: hopefully next year.
Speaker 1: Is our year again. Y'all grew on me. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie.
Speaker 2: Movie has been a Barris Dodger excuse me, Giants and
Speaker 2: A's fan. That's where I'm from. But you know, the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: I like the team. We gotta get Mookie on the show.
Speaker 2: We went and talked to him at that game.
Speaker 1: So he said to bring him on the show Pod Pod.
Speaker 1: We need you, baby.
Speaker 2: Congratulated to the whole Dodger organization and fan base, l
Speaker 2: A representing moving on, It's basketball season, bross falls starting
Speaker 2: to get cold out here. Indeed, Lakers have lost three
Speaker 2: out of four. Is it time to fire JJ?
Speaker 6: I mean, just the last time we talked, I was
Speaker 6: supposed to apologize to this.
Speaker 5: You still should apologize. Yeah, how are you feeling right now?
Speaker 1: In three?
Speaker 5: How are you feeling right now?
Speaker 6: I don't know, man, It's weird. We're just coming off
Speaker 6: the World Series. So I'm just starting to get my
Speaker 6: eyes back on the Lakers. Like most you know, LA fans, what,
Speaker 6: we don't know what to think at the moment. Do
Speaker 6: we like do we like?
Speaker 1: JJ? Yes? But once we start getting in.
Speaker 2: That lost column kind of like doesn't.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, we're getting that lost column and we're starting
Speaker 6: to look elsewhere.
Speaker 1: We want to look elsewhere? Have you seen?
Speaker 2: I mean, we're I mean, you guys are want to say,
Speaker 2: in the bottom of the league in defense, Yes, you know,
Speaker 2: obviously a little bit of older team guys that are
Speaker 2: more offensive oriented than defense. Obviously you got the Vanderbilt
Speaker 2: coming back. It's a strong Western conference with a lot
Speaker 2: of scorers. I mean the Bookers, the d Rants, the Lucas.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that put the ball in
Speaker 2: the basket. Do you who do you feel on that
Speaker 2: team can and hopefully will step up on the defensive end.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry he said, did he say Brownie? Good Lord?
Speaker 6: I pray man anyway. Don't get me hating on Brownie
Speaker 6: right now. We'll say that for another time. But who
Speaker 6: who do we depend on it? What's the question again? Who?
Speaker 5: Who?
Speaker 2: Who can step up and kind of ignite that defensive side?
Speaker 2: Because I love JJ, but j J was an offensive player. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he tried on defense.
Speaker 6: Yes he did. Who's gonna play defense? Who's going to
Speaker 6: cover their best player on our team? Because it can't
Speaker 6: be a forty year old, right, they can't. So and
Speaker 6: Ad is where he.
Speaker 5: Is gonna go, Biggs, He's going to protect the best.
Speaker 6: So maybe we need to look elsewhere. Go out there,
Speaker 6: you got some assets, absolutely would be perfect.
Speaker 5: Get ther Dlo out of here, good lord, It.
Speaker 1: Will save our city. I like you d Loo, but
Speaker 1: I like the Lakers more so.
Speaker 2: Come on, now, what would you look for? With the DLO, Like,
Speaker 2: what would you want in exchange?
Speaker 5: What type of player?
Speaker 6: For example, I would like a young, active player obviously
Speaker 6: who can score and rebound and you know, do the
Speaker 6: intangibles because we don't have any of those kind of
Speaker 6: guys on our team.
Speaker 1: Do we know?
Speaker 6: They're on the bench hurt right now, Vanderbilt, Like you said,
Speaker 6: what kind of guy would we want coming here? I
Speaker 6: don't want to start any rumors.
Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead and start something, but I would love
Speaker 2: to get like I would love to have like Julie,
Speaker 2: it is random back now, Yeah, I think we lost
Speaker 2: a lot of our players, you know what I mean
Speaker 2: from back in it from you think him and a
Speaker 2: d could play on the same Absolutely, what's ad gonna change?
Speaker 1: Like, what is he gonna change from a player coming
Speaker 1: back playing for us? Nothing? It's gonna put him at
Speaker 1: the five? Is he a five? Though? No? Right right?
Speaker 1: Does he? Does he? Ever? Has he ever played five
Speaker 1: and been successful with the five?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: He has not.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's any time. The panic is still
Speaker 2: early in the season. Don't panic gets organic Laker fans.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Let that ship marinate.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be all right, Like I said, I like,
Speaker 2: he's giving you guys an identity. I don't do't quite
Speaker 2: know what that identity is yet, but he's giving you something.
Speaker 2: You're starting to sweat over here, so I know it's
Speaker 2: getting serious. But we're gonna play a new game with
Speaker 2: you new.
Speaker 5: Faces in new places.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you about how mean how many guys
Speaker 2: we got on the board, eight guys.
Speaker 1: We're both gonna pick three, So.
Speaker 2: Giddy Tys Jones, Klay Thompson, Buddy Healed, uh Cat, Michel Bridges,
Speaker 2: Julius Randall, DeMar DeRozan, Chris Paul, all guys new places
Speaker 2: and putting up numbers.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give you the first pick. Who would you
Speaker 5: take as top new face in the new place? It
Speaker 5: has to be Clay, right like who is a cat?
Speaker 1: Like? For me? I never really was the biggest cat fan.
Speaker 5: We can say our piece. But so your first pick
Speaker 5: is Clay Klay just.
Speaker 1: Because of his how he's helping them on perimeter shooting.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with DeMar DeRozan although they're three, he'said
Speaker 2: twenty five, four and four, so it takes a lot
Speaker 2: of pressure off Dearen to have to do everything to
Speaker 2: close the games.
Speaker 1: Right right, I'm not sure, Chris Paul.
Speaker 2: Don't start a double double twelve twelve in your twenty
Speaker 2: twelve points ten rebounds or excuse me, tennisists or n
Speaker 2: excuse me, Chris Paul, you're twenty twelve points nine assists,
Speaker 2: And really I think it's gonna be very instrumental for
Speaker 2: young fellow Wimby.
Speaker 1: Yes, who just like pick go back. It's definitely Buddy.
Speaker 1: Oh good call. That was gonna be my second.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's over there taking the pressure off of everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's an elite shooter, very elite shooter. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you one time, a quick story about my playing days.
Speaker 2: When DeMarcus Cousins got traded to New Orleans, Lottie Debots
Speaker 2: said that he was taking Buddy was pretty much mean.
Speaker 2: There's other players in the trade, but those are the
Speaker 2: two mains on each side. That Buddy Hill was a
Speaker 2: next STEPH Curtin. Obviously he's not Steph. But if you
Speaker 2: look at by the numbers, he's a fucking monster.
Speaker 1: From behind that three point line, isn't He shot.
Speaker 2: On ten attempts and averaging twenty two a game, Like
Speaker 2: he said, to lose someone like Clay, which was tough
Speaker 2: for everybody. I love Clay as a person and obviously
Speaker 2: what he's done as a player is well documented. But
Speaker 2: Buddy Healed has stepped up. Obviously he doesn't give you
Speaker 2: what Clay used to give you on the defensive end,
Speaker 2: but he's definitely someone.
Speaker 1: So that's my second pick too. I believe they are
Speaker 1: six and one two Golden State?
Speaker 5: What are there? What's the record to say?
Speaker 1: Six one? Yeah?
Speaker 5: And Steph Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously record hasn't been super tough, but just
Speaker 2: to be able to get that chemistry down. They look
Speaker 2: like they're having fun. Their younger players are coming along.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting to see. So we both got
Speaker 2: Buddy Heels as our second pick. Last, but not least,
Speaker 2: who's your last guy?
Speaker 6: Mckel Bridges' man hooping good call, Yeah, I think even
Speaker 6: though his jump shots kind of.
Speaker 5: He's still shooting thirty nine from.
Speaker 6: The three though, absolutely, but he's likely pulled it together.
Speaker 6: Do I depend on him to keep that going for
Speaker 6: the whole year?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Maybe? Yeah? Maybe? I like Cat. I like Cat.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, I think, you know, he needs to
Speaker 2: continue to keep his foot on the guest. But twenty
Speaker 2: two and thirteen is right on average of his career averages,
Speaker 2: and he's going to be instrumental if this Knicks team
Speaker 2: is going to make a run along with Bridges.
Speaker 6: So it's just really quick, damar. I think he's got
Speaker 6: something to fight for now. Right after the little Drake tobacco,
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, he wants to show him. That was crazy?
Speaker 1: What was what was Drake doing make some music? Was
Speaker 1: that too light skin of him to be doing that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. You tell me better than I don't
Speaker 1: move that way.
Speaker 5: Like if I'm gonna talk shit to you, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: try to fight you.
Speaker 6: That's true now, I'm not gonna know that that that
Speaker 6: is all facts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't be I
Speaker 6: don't think I would fight you though.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to fight you because I know if
Speaker 2: I punch you that that beer dye with my hands
Speaker 2: all over my knuckles.
Speaker 5: So gin know where about what you said two or
Speaker 5: three weeks.
Speaker 2: About two and a half weeks in the season, Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: about two and a half weeks in the season, and
Speaker 2: and and and some teams. I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: maybe too early to panic, but there's some teams that
Speaker 2: just ain't really doing it right now. I think the
Speaker 2: Bucks one and six don't control their first round pick
Speaker 2: for the next six years. You know, who knows what
Speaker 2: Middleton is is is going to be able to do
Speaker 2: when he comes back. You know, you got Damon Giannis
Speaker 2: and and and not much around it. Uh, you know,
Speaker 2: obviously Bobby Port is out there doing this thing so
Speaker 2: very interesting. And and Doc Rivers again we're having we're
Speaker 2: on the dock? Is it is this doc's last doc?
Speaker 6: Well, first, I'd like to say it's really showing how
Speaker 6: Drew Holliday, Oh man, how important yea.
Speaker 1: Man getting it. I think when Drew left, that whole
Speaker 1: shit just went to.
Speaker 2: Which is crazy because announced looking at you, you know,
Speaker 2: Damian Willard Lillard one of the best players this game
Speaker 2: has ever seen, most cloning, the most clutch guys. But
Speaker 2: it really speaks to how talented Drew was on both
Speaker 2: sides of the ball.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, is this doc the in for Doc? It should
Speaker 6: have been the end last time for that. It should
Speaker 6: have been Sorry, Doc, but you know you kind of.
Speaker 1: Come on, Doc.
Speaker 2: Nuggets what are they three and four? I mean I
Speaker 2: think it's still earl Fornceke's nugget A four and three,
Speaker 2: Aaron Gordon goes down, Hobe gets back strong, Murray sixteen
Speaker 2: points a game. We talked about this early, only shooting
Speaker 2: thirty seven percent, He struggled.
Speaker 5: Do they have a chance?
Speaker 1: They absolutely do.
Speaker 6: I mean the core of their team is still together,
Speaker 6: Like their core is better than a lot of cores
Speaker 6: on a lot of basketball teams.
Speaker 1: And they're not the only team that's doing bad around
Speaker 1: there's a lot of we're going Yes, it's.
Speaker 6: Five total teams in the league that are playing well
Speaker 6: right now, so everybody else kind of has defend for it.
Speaker 2: Clippers, Yeah, three and four. Uh, Intendance isn't what it
Speaker 2: they thought it would be. Kawhim not sure when he's
Speaker 2: coming back.
Speaker 5: They don't have control their first round pick for the
Speaker 5: next five years.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: I know you don't mind this.
Speaker 1: No, because they got that nasty stench out of the crypto.
Speaker 1: What you want it?
Speaker 6: Yes, get out, But you know it is they gotta
Speaker 6: make They got to make it up for themselves.
Speaker 1: They got to make it for themselves.
Speaker 6: You know that their owners spent billions of dollars open
Speaker 6: the arena and trying to get away from the Lakers legacy,
Speaker 6: which which I respect, but you know they are the Clippers.
Speaker 6: Who is their best player right now? Because their best
Speaker 6: player is not even playing right now?
Speaker 5: James is their best players playing well? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and why is their best player set Their.
Speaker 2: Best players are playing, So Kawhi is the best player, Yes,
Speaker 2: the best player playing his James and then Zoobox having
Speaker 2: a big year.
Speaker 1: I like what he big Fellow's been able to do.
Speaker 2: Moving on the Miami Heat, Butler didn't a sign an extension.
Speaker 2: He's thirty five three and three on the season. Don't
Speaker 2: have much cap flexibility. Do you see Jimmy finishing the
Speaker 2: season in Miami?
Speaker 6: No, because the owner and him are kind of button
Speaker 6: heads enough. Losing makes it all worse, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean. Jimmy's trying to say that. You know, they're
Speaker 6: not playing any defense right now, so you know, I'm
Speaker 6: expecting Spoilster to pull all that together if he can,
Speaker 6: and if not, they'll be back into the draft next year.
Speaker 5: Cooper Flag my guy.
Speaker 2: Nice debut. Looks like he might be hitting the Utah.
Speaker 2: I mean it's still early, but Utah is at the
Speaker 2: bottom of the barrel. I think they kind of saw
Speaker 2: this coming. You know, they had another great white player
Speaker 2: Gordon Haywood.
Speaker 5: I think he just did he just retire? Was it
Speaker 5: last year?
Speaker 1: This year? This year?
Speaker 2: Salute Gordon Hayward was cold, Bro, I don't think people
Speaker 2: know how good prime Gordon Haywood was.
Speaker 1: He was a month before his injury.
Speaker 5: And I think Cooper Flag can be better than that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, just because he got a little bit more fire
Speaker 1: in his battle thing. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, six ten shoot off the dribble going to Donk.
Speaker 6: I just saw yesterday, like yesterday, Jesus do I think
Speaker 6: he's great. I think he's gonna be there. I'm one
Speaker 6: pick hands down. Yeah, somebody's gonna win.
Speaker 2: Agreed, before we get out of here. Next Monday is
Speaker 2: the day you mean ninety mile an hour pitch? You
Speaker 2: mean when I'm going to hit the ninety ringing cameras?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have your money ready.
Speaker 2: Van just talked to told you about his little war baseball. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but how he said he was nice as Pop's playing
Speaker 2: in the minor league.
Speaker 5: You don't have no DNA or lineage of baseball.
Speaker 1: That's how you're gonna do me on.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, Bro, ninety miles an hour pitch. You
Speaker 2: said you only need five pitches and you're gonna hit
Speaker 2: it fair.
Speaker 1: I have to do squid back to the picture. That's
Speaker 1: all you got to do.
Speaker 2: And you also said I'm gonna throwing the thousand on
Speaker 2: there because you said you can hit left handed eighty
Speaker 2: miles an hour.
Speaker 6: That's for my guy Nate right there, and that's that's
Speaker 6: a done deal.
Speaker 1: That's easy. Absolutely, are you going to be there? We're
Speaker 1: gonna film this ship. Everyone's going to be there.
Speaker 6: You know, I've been working with my batting coach. You
Speaker 6: got a bet absolutely new equipment.
Speaker 1: Are you a madding glove kind of guy? Absolutely batting glove?
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm betting glove baby, Okay, yeah, I use my
Speaker 6: hands for the other thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So so when you lose, it's one hundred cush ups
Speaker 2: on call. You saw last week we had Ray doing
Speaker 2: push ups during the episode. Yeah, but you're older too.
Speaker 2: I hate to have to embarrass you. Also have a
Speaker 2: bet with Jack too. What's Jack thousand? And he's gonna
Speaker 2: make me do the cush ups on on the spot
Speaker 2: on call? Yes, Yeah, I'm goddy. You guys have your
Speaker 2: money ready though.
Speaker 5: My money's already here. I'm just gonna keep it's going
Speaker 5: to sleep here.
Speaker 6: This is a done deal. You guys a gonna I'm
Speaker 6: shock the world. I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, and lock this road deal up. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to lock you. We go, lock you in.
Speaker 1: Lock you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're gonna be walking around with a stiff neck.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: So before we get out of here, I want to
Speaker 2: leave you guys with some picks.
Speaker 5: I went four and oh last week.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you guys expected, but head on
Speaker 2: over to DraftKings right now to lock your picks in
Speaker 2: for this week's football action. I got a couple of
Speaker 2: picks here that I'm rolling with. No real shocker. I
Speaker 2: don't think Steelers at Commanders Commanders and minus two. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and take the Commanders. I like what
Speaker 2: they've been able to do this year. I don't know
Speaker 2: if there's still a top tier contender, but I think
Speaker 2: getting in the playoffs is a great start for them.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna keep that bandwagon rolling. Forty nine Ers
Speaker 2: minus five at the Bucks. You know, I gotta take
Speaker 2: my squad. They just came Bucks just came off a
Speaker 2: tough loss versus Pat Mahomes and then Chief Boys, so
Speaker 2: they're gonna be back at home hungry, but I'm taking
Speaker 2: the Niners minus five, and last, but not least, the
Speaker 2: Lions are rolling into Texas. I like what CJ's doing
Speaker 2: out there, but the Lions could be if not. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm playing the best football in in the uh what division?
Speaker 2: I'm forgetting the NFC. The Lions if could be, if not,
Speaker 2: the best team or or playing the best football right
Speaker 2: now in the NFC. So I'm gonna stick with the
Speaker 2: Lions minus three at the Texans. Got some hoop for
Speaker 2: you NBA Friday Suns at MAVs and Warriors at Calves.
Speaker 2: I got the Suns going into Dallas and snagging that one,
Speaker 2: and I got the Warriors going into Cleveland and getting
Speaker 2: that one. That's gonna be a tough one. Cleveland and
Speaker 2: eight and oh right now playing really well. Uh but
Speaker 2: I got Golden State playing really well as well. Steph
Speaker 2: is getting his flow back, and they're gonna go in
Speaker 2: Cleveland and knock them boys off. So again, make sure
Speaker 2: you guys have over draft games right now to like
Speaker 2: your picks in We'll see you.
Speaker 1: Got a text week