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Speaker 1: Hi Amber, Hilalah, Welcome to an Unlikely Affair.

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Speaker 2: Good morning everybody. Welcome to another episode of an Unlikely Affair.

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Speaker 3: Hi Loala, Oh Puffy Puffy first, Hello Amber.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I'm excited for this one. Oh man, I am

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Speaker 2: so stoked. Guys.

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Speaker 3: Today we have Jill Winterstein on the podcast and if

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Speaker 3: you don't know her, you're going to and you will

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Speaker 3: thank us later. She is someone who has helped millions

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Speaker 3: of people reconnect with themselves through astrology. And it's not

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Speaker 3: like a psychic where she predicts the future, but she

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Speaker 3: has tools to help you with your healing, your self awareness,

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Speaker 3: and really just your spiritual growth. She is the founder

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Speaker 3: of an amazing company and brand called Spirit Daughter. She's

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Speaker 3: a best selling author and a spiritual teacher who has

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Speaker 3: built an incredible community by making astrology just feel not

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Speaker 3: like woo woo crazy stuff, it's like deeply human and

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: She's going to read your chart, your natal chart, in

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Speaker 2: my natal chart.

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Speaker 1: So oh, because we're doing a podcast swap today, right.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, that's right. Thank you for doing a swap.

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Speaker 3: I love a good swap. All right, let's bring her in, Jill.

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited to have you on the podcast. I

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Speaker 3: have been following you on Instagram and like, you're my

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Speaker 3: daily dose of spiritual astrology and I've become a little obsessed.

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Speaker 3: But first I want to ask you something. You were

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Speaker 3: a neuroscientist before.

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Speaker 4: Ah, that's my my background's in. Yeah, that's what I studied.

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Speaker 4: I was a norwege and a next researcher. Like this

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Speaker 4: is like over twenty years ago, so it's like a

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Speaker 4: previous lifetime at this point, and then I did a

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Speaker 4: whole bunch of other crazy stuff in between, you know

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Speaker 4: that and this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that is so incredible to me.

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Speaker 1: So then what made you want to do the switch

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Speaker 1: over to astrology? And basically, I mean what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: You probably don't realize this, or maybe you do, but

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Speaker 1: like really healing people's souls.

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Speaker 4: I think I always wanted to do that in some way.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 4: I like that reframe of astrology. You know, I started

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Speaker 4: out in like I got into astrology when I was sixteen,

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Speaker 4: So I was a kid, you know, I just was

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Speaker 4: like a hippie hippie kid, and I would just go

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Speaker 2: Out my girl.

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Speaker 4: Where did you grow up outside of Philadelphia? So Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 4: So I was like in the woods of PA and

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Speaker 4: like astrology wasn't cool back then. This is like nineteen

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Speaker 4: social media, there was no spirit daughter following obviously, and

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Speaker 4: then you know, I was time to go to school,

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Speaker 4: and you know, my mom was like, you got it.

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Speaker 4: You can't go to school for astrology. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: psychology and then that landed me in studying neuroscience because

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Speaker 4: I was like, let's figure this out. And I really

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Speaker 4: was like on a quest to find out, like what

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Speaker 4: Why do we think the way we think? And that's why,

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Speaker 4: like it all kind of fit, like everything I've done

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Speaker 4: understanding human consciousness right through the lens of astrology, through

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Speaker 4: the lens of psychology, through the lens of neuroscience, through

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Speaker 4: the lens of Chinese medicine, aw Youurvedic medicine, like drugs,

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Speaker 4: We're just looking at you know, human consciousness.

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Speaker 3: So do you think that Okay, So if you started

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Speaker 3: going into neuroscience, do you think that that solidified? Did

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Speaker 3: that help amplify your belief in astrology?

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Speaker 4: I think so. I mean I think that I think it.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, though, I believe in

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Speaker 4: if we believe it, it's real. And so when you

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Speaker 4: that's why I think that's why my account's done so well,

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Speaker 4: our son's signs and be like what resonates with me

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 3: I love that because lately I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 3: So it's I just had my birthday this past weekend.

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Speaker 3: I have been struggling, like I've gone through some shit

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Speaker 3: doing it all over again. But it's now being condensed

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Speaker 3: realizing it was Mercury was in retrograde?

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Speaker 1: But why why does it feel so heavy for our listeners?

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Speaker 1: Can you explain what it means? Because you see it

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Speaker 1: all over when that happens, like Mercury's in retrograde? Can

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Speaker 1: you break that down for dummies? What does that mean?

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Speaker 4: Well, Mercury first of all all planets station retrograde point

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Speaker 4: skip a year, but they also station retrograde, just not

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Speaker 4: every single year, so it's not specific to Mercury. Mercury

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Speaker 4: always say this because it's just like that's all me

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Speaker 4: does happen often than any of the other retrogrades, and

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Speaker 4: it lasts for about three weeks. And Mercury is the

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Speaker 4: planet of communication, so it rules exchange of energy, tech education,

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Speaker 4: leaving this whole setup we're doing now, you know, we're

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Speaker 4: like that's all under Mercury's umbrella, you know, all the

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Speaker 4: they tend to go down during Mercury retrograde. Retrograde energy

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Speaker 4: So that like all you know happens during mercury retrograde

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Speaker 4: And so when you look at the sky it looks

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Speaker 4: like Mercury is moving backwards, it's actually not. It's an

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Speaker 4: optical illusion. So it's when like you know, when you're

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Speaker 3: It's hormones too. It's either mercury or it's my hormones.

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Speaker 4: That's your two options, and it's probably both and they're

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Speaker 1: We just like to blame something for when we're feeling off.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And it usually is a lot deeper. There's

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Speaker 4: So mercury retrograde this time around is happening in cancer,

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Speaker 4: those aren't your sun signs.

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Speaker 3: Well, just like like feelings, this is gonna pass, right,

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Speaker 3: It's just not ninety seconds, it's like three weeks.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna pass. It's gonna pass. And you know, yes,

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Speaker 4: that's a perfect, perfect thing. I have that tattoo on

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Speaker 2: Used to say. I love that you have that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it also goes back to what you were

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Speaker 1: saying about the mind being one of our most powerful tools.

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Speaker 1: Is you have to kind of tap into that. And

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Speaker 1: myself that if my mind is powerful enough to take

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Speaker 1: take me out of it, right, And it's really hard

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Speaker 1: to put that to use though, And I love that

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Speaker 1: you that you brought that into play. Is if we

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Speaker 1: believe it, then it's real.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean if we believe it, it's real.

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Speaker 4: Our brain doesn't know the difference between what we're imagining

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Speaker 4: and reality. And so this is where I love intention setting,

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Speaker 4: and that's what you know I do mainly on the

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Speaker 4: New Moons is you know what I'm known for is

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Speaker 4: setting intentions and working with visualization. And when we set intentions,

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Speaker 4: we're doing something really powerful, like not only are we

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Speaker 4: working with the new Moon energy, but we're working with

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Speaker 4: training your brain to create something in your life and

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Speaker 4: believe that you're capable of doing that.

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Speaker 3: Can you give me an example of setting intentions?

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Speaker 2: And I know that sounds like you so stupid, Amber, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because I'm a fucking weird Okay, we're.

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Speaker 1: Going to go over them at the end of the podcast.

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Speaker 3: I am such a but honestly, like I think, sometimes

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Speaker 3: I get confused by the word intentions and if I'm

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Speaker 3: going to confuse maybe other people are. So will you

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Speaker 3: give me just one example of what setting an intention

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Speaker 4: Like, yeah. So the way I set intentions is I'll

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Speaker 4: lead people through an exercise where they see themselves six months,

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Speaker 3: So it's their moon sign. Sorry, just to clarify the

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Speaker 2: The first day.

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Speaker 1: A red flag that you can't ask your mom for your.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I'm saving us all time. Guys, let's just be real, like,

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Speaker 4: go with a Tarus or a Virgo. Kind of keep

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Speaker 4: that note for yourself, and then do try and find

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Speaker 4: out their moon sign and be like hmm, okay, well

435
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Speaker 4: the Tara's sun sign was great, but the Tar's sun

436
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Speaker 4: sign with the moon and Aquarius, like, well, that actually

437
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Speaker 4: might vibe for you because you haven't moon in Aquarius,

438
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Speaker 4: but you know that might not work in that configuration, right,

439
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Speaker 4: and with those pairings. So so it's you know, kind

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Speaker 4: of understanding where to start and then taking your own

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Speaker 4: notes and understanding like how the energies hit you and

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Speaker 4: how certain people. Because our birth charts are so complex,

443
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Speaker 4: there's so many placements and there's so many nuances, and

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Speaker 4: that's why like when you want to get real real

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Speaker 4: serious or real real crazy, however you want to look

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Speaker 4: at it, you like get a consultation with an astrologer

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Speaker 4: and you go, okay, put these birth charts together, and

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Speaker 4: let's look at how we're interacting, Like how are our

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Speaker 4: venuses interacting, how are our mars interacting? How are you know,

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Speaker 4: like you want the full range of all the placements?

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Speaker 1: Would you say that that is the human design? You know,

452
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Speaker 1: people are really into like the human design right now.

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Speaker 1: They break all of those things down.

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Speaker 4: Well, human design is different. That's like, are you talking

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Speaker 4: about like manifesting, generator and projector that. Yeah, so those

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Speaker 4: are two separat things different. Yeah, yeah, so human design

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Speaker 4: is a different system. What I'm talking about is you

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Speaker 4: actually like take your birth chart, which is a picture

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Speaker 4: of the sky when you were born, so and it

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Speaker 4: includes everything, So it includes not just your sun, your moon,

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Speaker 4: but where was Mars, where was Mercury, was mercury retrograde?

462
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Speaker 4: Where's your Jupiter? Right? Jupiter is currently in Leo right now,

463
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Speaker 4: so you know what's going on with all of your placements.

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Speaker 4: And then we're going to put the two charts together

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Speaker 4: of two people and we're going to see, like how

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Speaker 4: do they interact? Like maybe the sun signs are quote

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Speaker 4: unquote not compatible, but maybe the venuses are conjunct. Maybe

468
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Speaker 4: you guys both have the same moon sign, so you're

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Speaker 4: gonna understand emotionally, right, So you might find like an

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Speaker 4: aries with the moon and Aquarius, and you might be like,

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Speaker 4: that's my person Like even though they're an aries, like

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Speaker 4: our moons get along. What suggest that combo? My first

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Speaker 4: husband was that combo not great, but he.

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Speaker 1: Had his son in Like for me, sun and aries

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Speaker 1: red flag, I'm out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I even need to continue talking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I find that my sun and my rising are

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Speaker 1: in constant conflict. Okay, my moon because Virgo, I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm very particular. I can be very grounded and logical,

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Speaker 1: but then I have my scorpio rising, so I become

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Speaker 1: very spicy. I can shoot my guard up really quickly,

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Speaker 1: which you know, and attack and sting. But then I'm

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Speaker 1: very very emotional, so all of the I'm like I

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Speaker 1: by the end of the day, I'm fucking exhausted.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it's like a roller coaster when you have

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Speaker 4: a lot of water, but you have a lot of

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Speaker 4: all the elements. So when you have a lot of

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Speaker 4: water and then you also have uh earth, right, you're

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Speaker 4: kind of making mud in your chart, what did I say?

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Speaker 4: And so it's always a purifying process, and it's always

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Speaker 4: the process of like the Lotus trying to come through

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Speaker 4: the mud to find the light. And so it can

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Speaker 4: be a hard journey in life when you have a

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Speaker 4: lot of earth and a lot of water, because you're

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Speaker 4: just you're mud, right in a good way. I mean

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Speaker 4: MUD's detoxicizing.

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Speaker 2: Scene with the mud, like that's what I feel.

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Speaker 4: I feel muddy, yeah, And so you just have to

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Speaker 4: like keep you know, you want that picture of the Lotus,

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Speaker 4: and you want to also understand like MUD's detoxifying. Right

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Speaker 4: when we go get like a mud bath, it's like

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Speaker 4: detoxifying for his skin and it's good and it's purifying,

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Speaker 4: and so a lot of this lifetime for you is

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Speaker 4: a purification process. And purification transformation of any kind like

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Speaker 4: is not easy. It's not easy, and so you just

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Speaker 4: have to keep kind of growing through the mud towards

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Speaker 4: towards the light.

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Speaker 2: Oh I love that, am. My rising is Pisces ices.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. I have your charts over here. Yes,

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Speaker 4: so you have a lot of water as well, and

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Speaker 4: your moon. What's your moon? I can look at your

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Speaker 4: chart Virgo virgo. Yeah, that's right. I remember being like,

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Speaker 4: oh moon and virgo, sun and Virgo. That's why these

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Speaker 4: two get along.

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Speaker 1: So we have a good chart together. Our charts matchup.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you have a good chart because you have a

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Speaker 4: lot of overlapping placements, including like the Virgo virgo, and

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Speaker 4: so there is there is that theme and your scorpio

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Speaker 4: rising because I think I had you as cancer rising me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, from well you're the professional. I've just typed it

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Speaker 1: into my little whatever as you have.

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Speaker 4: I'll double check the time. Sometimes the a MPM gets

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Speaker 4: switched on my notes, so I'll check that.

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Speaker 1: But let me know, because I will I'll have to

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Speaker 1: go back to mirroring and be like, now I don't

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Speaker 1: know who I am.

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Speaker 2: I got so comfortable with.

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Speaker 4: My You're like, yeah, yeah, Amber, I have used Pisces rising,

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Speaker 4: and your moon is in Virgo, yeah Virgo yeah, and

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Speaker 4: Sun you just had your birthday, so in cancer So yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's a little you know again, we've got some mud here, right,

532
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 4: We've got water, we've got earth.

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Speaker 2: We are so in sync amber. We're just two muddy

534
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Speaker 2: bitches trying to find the light.

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Speaker 3: So what's good compatibility romantically for Based on my Virgo moon.

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Speaker 4: Virgo moons tend to be analytical in their emotions. And

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Speaker 4: then I also find that there's a real overlay with

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Speaker 4: like acts of service, you know, the love language, and

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00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 4: so really understanding that about you that you kind of

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00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 4: show love through acts of service and through doing things

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Speaker 4: for somebody else. Especially with the cancer sun, You're you're

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00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 4: a giver, Like that's your nature is to.

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Speaker 2: Give too much. I give too much, let's.

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Speaker 4: Be honest, exactly, And so knowing that about yourself and

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Speaker 4: then kind of choosing a partner that won't take too much,

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00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 4: and so you know, maybe looking at another cancer sun sign,

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Speaker 4: probably not a scorpio I would steer away from because

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00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 4: they tend to be not that they take too much,

549
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 4: but Scorpios tend to be a little aloof in their energy.

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Speaker 4: They kind of hold back. And for somebody who's like

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Speaker 4: a giver and wants to like take care of people,

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Speaker 4: that can be like, oh what talk to me? Oh

553
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 4: what's wrong? Oh you're not you're quiet. Oh you're mysterious,

554
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 4: Oh what's happening? And so then you end up sending

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00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 4: them all of your energy in order to just get

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00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 4: a little bit of attention. And so I would steer

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00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 4: you away from that. Pisces could be great for you,

558
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Speaker 4: Tarus could be great for you. And like I said,

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Speaker 4: it might be that, you know, they have that placement

560
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Speaker 4: in their moon sign that might be really nice for you,

561
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Speaker 4: like a Tarus moon or a Pisce's moon. And so

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Speaker 4: we want to kind of try the different compatibilities because

563
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Speaker 4: sometimes like a Pisce's rising does great with a partner

564
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Speaker 4: who has a Pisce's moon.

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Speaker 1: When you're looking at charts, like does the same Do

566
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Speaker 1: the same rules apply for friendships as romantic partnerships?

567
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Speaker 4: It can, Yeah, it hit it's a little different, but

568
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 4: yeah it absolutely can. Like some of the reasons why

569
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 4: you two get along and are on this podcast together.

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Speaker 4: Is because you share the virgo, right, The virgo is

571
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: a shared sign between you, so there's a part of

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00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 4: you that understands one another through that lens of Virgo. Well,

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Speaker 4: I have September second night on. I won't say the

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Speaker 4: year if you don't want me to.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety Yeah, one am PM.

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Speaker 4: That's it. There we go. So see what.

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Speaker 1: It pulls up as for you, I really the Virgo

578
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: in me will really have a hard time shaking off.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure rising is not Scorpio because you know, the

580
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Speaker 1: wind blows in a different direction and I'm thrown off.

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Speaker 4: It's really interesting with the compatibility, like just understanding the

582
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 4: different layers and nuances. It's not just about your sun sign.

583
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 4: It's about your moon sign. It's about your rising, it's

584
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Speaker 4: about your venus too.

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Speaker 1: I'm so can I tell you, I'm so excited to

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Speaker 1: do the swap to like deep dive into all of

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Speaker 1: this because I really really like it's my most favorite

588
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: thing to understand people from the astrology lens.

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00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Can I say like, like, once you know that, you

591
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Speaker 1: know right then if you can move forward or not.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's not a you thing. Or a me thing.

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00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: No blame stars man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what I love about it. You are

595
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 4: Scorpio Rising, so I've got it. So you're right there,

596
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 4: Scorpio Rising. You've got Virgo on your mid heaven. That's

597
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 4: a great placement for what you're doing. Makes you very

598
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 4: precise and analytical and work. And your son is conjuncture

599
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 4: mid heaven. So that's your career line.

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Speaker 1: I want to deep dive into all of this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah we will podcast, Yeah, we'll get that.

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Speaker 1: I'm so hyped. So we're gonna wrap this one up, Jill.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on An Unlikely Affair,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to catch you over on your podcast

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Speaker 1: Spirit Daughter.

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Speaker 2: In just a minute. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: Uh you guys, thank you so much for listening to

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Speaker 1: another episode of an Unlikely Affair. We're going to catch

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Speaker 1: you guys next week. Love you by bye bye