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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined as always our bar.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 2: Stop obsessing over the draft picks stops. Okay, moving on

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Speaker 2: from that and you can call.

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Speaker 1: It one caveat and all that.

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Speaker 2: Now, yes, no, yes, there's no caveat.

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Speaker 1: Yes, now you have to have to have to sign

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Speaker 1: him long term.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: There's no caveats though, except for the one you got.

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Speaker 2: One caveat that I agree with. I've changed my stance

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Speaker 2: a little bit on Jerry Judy. I think I I

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Speaker 2: I honestly when I said that last week, I was

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Speaker 2: coming from a place Alex of a little bit of like,

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Speaker 2: I just I need some semblance of a football season,

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Speaker 2: some semblance of entertainment on a football field from my

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Speaker 2: from the Patriots this year, and that like felt like, maybe, oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: at least one week when he debuts with the Patriots,

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Speaker 2: we have the Jerry Judy game and we can talk

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Speaker 2: about what he looked like and things like that. But

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Speaker 2: I also thought it came from what was coming from

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Speaker 2: a place where I legitimately thought they had a chance

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Speaker 2: to beat the Raiders. So I was like, all right,

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Speaker 2: so two and four you get Jerry Judy in the building,

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Speaker 2: like you never know at that point. I at this point,

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Speaker 2: I'm with everybody that was saying, don't don't waste assets

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Speaker 2: on this team, right.

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Speaker 1: I figured out a better way to phrase that argument too,

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Speaker 1: because my caveat was, you know, you were like, oh,

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Speaker 1: third round pick, and you read off all the third

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Speaker 1: round picks that they've missed on, and you said, you know,

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Speaker 1: is this what you want them spending on. It's not

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Speaker 1: so much that it's when we get to And I've

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Speaker 1: given this take like ten times in the last week,

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Speaker 1: and I still haven't looked up the date of the draft.

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Speaker 1: But April whatever, that Thursday night, I think it's the

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Speaker 1: twenty sixth, perfect, April twenty six, that Thursday night, the

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Speaker 1: Patriots are sitting there on the board sixth. Let's say

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Speaker 1: things keep trending the way they're trending, They're sitting there

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Speaker 1: like fifth, sixth, seventh, Dave identified Drake Mays twenty fifth,

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Speaker 1: April twenty fifth, perfect. I'll forget next time I give

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Speaker 1: this take. Sitting there Thursday night, April twenty fifth Patriots

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Speaker 1: like picking like fifth, sixth, seventh. Yeah, they need a

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Speaker 1: trade up to three to get Drake May. They've identified

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Speaker 1: Drake May as the guy that's they want. That's the

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Speaker 1: guy they want to trade up and get. Who who's

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Speaker 1: identified the Patriots? Oh ayways say, well that's another conversation.

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Speaker 1: But here's the point, right, don't you want that third

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Speaker 1: and we can extend us to the trade deadline and

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Speaker 1: get more assets because Evan, uh, you just said you

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Speaker 1: wanted like that element to watch Jerry Judy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you take.

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Speaker 1: Another two months of watching this team as it is

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Speaker 1: if it means you get ten fifteen years of watching

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Speaker 1: Drake May.

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Speaker 2: Yes, if I but I'm I I will just to

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Speaker 2: play Devil's advocate. Yeah, you're not guaranteed that Drake May

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Speaker 2: is going to be good either, right, Like, no, you're not.

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Speaker 1: And you know I'm the I'm the guy that's petrified

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Speaker 1: to the quarterback Carris.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeh.

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Speaker 1: Don't want to go back in there unless you absolutely

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Speaker 2: So we can talk plenty about the future outlook of

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Speaker 2: the team. I know that's the story with the Patriots,

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Speaker 2: right like the story is. Unfortunately, it's not about what's

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Speaker 2: the future of the team, the future of the quarterback position.

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Speaker 2: And I get all that, and you know, I wanted

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Speaker 1: Is wait, can we can we start with another take?

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Speaker 2: First? Yeah, your haircut. I did get a new haircut.

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Speaker 2: have like all the Patriots jerseys and some autographs hanging

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Speaker 2: in the barbershop. Great great place, great great cut. Right,

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Speaker 2: Barbershop. Yes, right by the d'angelos g a barbershop stone

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Speaker 2: Uh So here, here's here's where we're at. I think

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Speaker 2: lot about the Belichick the GM stuff, right, and all

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Speaker 2: the personnel missteps and the lack of offensive talent and

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Speaker 2: me with I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you

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Speaker 2: disbelief that they're this bad. Like I think that there

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Speaker 2: fix the offense. He's gonna fix Mac Jones, he's gonna fix,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna be really good on that side of the ball.

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Speaker 2: Like that side of the ball is legit good in

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Speaker 2: the NFL, not just like let's get the offense back

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that anybody in this building thought they

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Speaker 2: because I think everybody talks so much about the injuries,

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Speaker 1: Well, but just to that point, you say, you know,

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Speaker 2: It's not an excuse.

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Speaker 1: Or he said those aren't excuses, they're facts. Yeah, that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I think the short way to put

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Nobody's saying, you booked playing tickets to Vegas.

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Speaker 2: Scarnekia in the spring. Obviously, Scars going into the Patriots

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Speaker 2: no disrespect to Mike Frable. He's very deserving and as

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Speaker 2: But I just I, you know me, Scar is my guy.

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Speaker 2: Scarneki is going in the Hall of Fame, and that

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Speaker 2: the team recognizes what he brought to this organization that

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Speaker 2: pre dates Balie Belichick, Bill Parcells goes all the way

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Speaker 2: Kraft right in the nineteen eighties with Raymond Barry. And

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Speaker 2: I had asked Scar and this piece is going to

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Speaker 2: run tomorrow, so you can read the whole article, or

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Speaker 2: you could buy a Game Day magazine and read it there.

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Speaker 1: To So I wanted to set this up for you,

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Speaker 1: like you know, because you said like you had no

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Speaker 1: almost our freshman year, our first year covering the team. Right,

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Speaker 1: we go to the super Bowl and be talked all

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Speaker 1: if I could just talk to Scar for like an

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Speaker 2: Literally did it. Yeah, and that's what this article. It

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Speaker 2: was definitely a what is it? You know? Look, Mama,

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Speaker 2: I made it moment when I got to the circle. Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 2: But anyways, here's the quote from from Scar about when

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Speaker 2: it started to change in the Patriots organization from going

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Speaker 2: from where they were in the nineties to the Patriots dynasty. Right,

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Speaker 2: and he says to have the type of owner, head coach,

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Speaker 1: Right, It's it's untimely penalties, it's bad offensive line play. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: We know that he's had missteps as a general manager,

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Speaker 2: This is the play that we're gonna run. Fall start,

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Speaker 1: So go ahead, just a couple things on that first off.

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Speaker 1: Just first quarter scoring alone. Patriots ranked, they're tied for

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Speaker 2: So they have two scoring drives on their opening drives.

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Speaker 2: they couldn't get him off the field. Then the Patriots

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Speaker 2: So Bill Belichick was asked about starts and things like that.

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Speaker 2: like you, that's your game plan. How are you gonna

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're last week was their most penalized, So they're.

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Speaker 2: The tenth most penalty penalized team. Most importantly, they're the

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Speaker 1: To just on the penalties. Yeah, they had eleven. They

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Speaker 1: that game. Yeah, five in the first quarter, five in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, next one. We always we all know this one

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Speaker 2: because you know, people have been talking about this a

434
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Speaker 2: lot turnover differential tied for dead last in the league.

435
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Speaker 2: And turnover differential. They are minus eight in turnover differential.

436
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Speaker 2: Turnover differential is the one stat that you like these

437
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Speaker 2: kind of stats because they're not they're not fugazi.

438
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Speaker 1: Because they're tangible.

439
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 2: Turnover differential is the one stat that is the most

440
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 2: correlated to wins. Teams that turn the ball over a

441
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Speaker 2: lot lose, bottom line like that, and that's not rocket signed.

442
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 2: Teams the force turnovers win, right, So they're tied for

443
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 2: dead last in the league right now. And turnover differential

444
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Speaker 2: they only have last year. They had a bunch of

445
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Speaker 2: the and I because I know that most of that's offense, right,

446
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 2: most of that's Mac Jones turnning the ball over.

447
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Speaker 1: But it's not though thing, and that's what's weird. And

448
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Speaker 1: I think that's where you're going with that.

449
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Speaker 2: Yes, so the defense has forced three takeaways all year long,

450
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Speaker 2: which is also I think like twenty something in the

451
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Speaker 2: league or something like that. It's it's down there. The

452
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Speaker 2: defense's forced three turnovers all year long.

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Speaker 1: At last oh, it's still less last dead last and

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Speaker 1: takeaway alone, like they're not. They were tied with a

455
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Speaker 1: couple teams with two. I know, it was in the

456
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Speaker 1: bottom jeez, Falcons and Browns each of four, so they

457
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Speaker 1: are dead last. And turnovers for or takeaways turnovers forced

458
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Speaker 1: by the defense. On top of that, there are three turnovers.

459
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Speaker 1: Only one of them has happened in their opponent's territory

460
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Speaker 1: right right, like in like the plus side of the field.

461
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Speaker 1: For the Patriots offense, last year they had eleven such

462
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Speaker 1: turnovers that happened in the opponent territory, right, So they

463
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Speaker 1: were teeing it up for the offense as bad as

464
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Speaker 1: the offense was. Last year, they had how you know,

465
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Speaker 1: seven drives out of eleven scoring drives off of turnovers

466
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Speaker 1: that started in the plus fifties, So like they're basically

467
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Speaker 1: just getting the ball and scoring territory. And even if

468
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Speaker 1: they went three and out, they were still you know,

469
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: Paul Pilo likes to call them pick threes, right, like

470
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: you're still getting a field goal out of it. So

471
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Speaker 1: as great of an individual play, and it was a

472
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Speaker 1: great individual play, and we're gonna get to it on

473
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Speaker 1: a positive notes at some point. As great as an

474
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Speaker 1: individual play as Jabriel Peppers's hit stick forrest interception was.

475
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Speaker 1: It happened in the red zone, right it happened in

476
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Speaker 1: the Raiders were in the red zone when it happened.

477
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Speaker 1: So the offense still has to take the ball and

478
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Speaker 1: then drive it seventy five yards to make anything out

479
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Speaker 1: of that. So that's that's what I was gonna I

480
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: don't think they have any points.

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Speaker 2: Off turnovers, is here, right? I don't think so so.

482
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Speaker 1: And that goes back to your point maybe about the

483
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Speaker 1: where the team is at, the disbelief and being where

484
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Speaker 1: they are right now. Yeah, you had a figure and

485
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Speaker 1: you lose chrischian zalace In, Matthew Judt, this is going

486
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Speaker 1: to happen. This We saw it last year, Like when

487
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Speaker 1: they won game, it was because they were forcing turnovers, right,

488
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: and this defense was built to turn the ball over.

489
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Speaker 1: To talk about having a plan and executing the plan,

490
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Speaker 1: I think that was a big part of the plan,

491
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Speaker 1: was to swarm teams and forest turnovers. And they're not

492
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Speaker 1: doing that right now. And they were counting on having

493
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Speaker 1: a bunch of short fields and if not pick six,

494
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Speaker 1: is those pick threes like you're talking about. Yeah, they

495
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Speaker 1: just haven't been there this year, right.

496
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Speaker 2: And then the last one, this one, this one really

497
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: is the piece of resistance. Do you know where the

498
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Speaker 2: Patriots are right now in Special Teams DVA.

499
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Speaker 1: Thirty is it still thirty second?

500
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Speaker 2: Dead last?

501
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're thirty scent going.

502
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Speaker 2: To dead last and Special Teams DVA.

503
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Speaker 1: You're telling me the brand schooler field goal block didn't

504
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Speaker 1: run that thing.

505
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Speaker 2: All the way up? Do you want to know how

506
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Speaker 2: bad it is?

507
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Speaker 1: I don't know how DVOA works, so I'm not gonna

508
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Speaker 1: do what this means, but going.

509
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Speaker 2: On, Okay, So basically I'll simplify it for you. Yeah,

510
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Speaker 2: they are almost doubly as bad as Okay, give me

511
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Speaker 2: the number.

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Speaker 1: Give me this.

513
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Speaker 2: So the Patriots Special Teams DVA right now is minus

514
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Speaker 2: seven point four percent. Okay, that's horrible. Okay, minus seven

515
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Speaker 2: point four per said the Raiders are Raiders. The Rams,

516
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: excuse me, who are in thirty first are at four

517
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Speaker 2: point nine percent.

518
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Speaker 1: Who's in first? And what's the number that I don't.

519
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 2: Know who's in first? But who's in first?

520
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Speaker 1: What's and no, I'm curious if they're worse than the best.

521
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Speaker 2: Team is good?

522
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Speaker 1: If that makes sense.

523
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so they are minus seven point four and

524
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Speaker 2: the next closest team to them is minus four point nine.

525
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Speaker 2: So you in this offseason spent money on guys like

526
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Speaker 2: Chris Board. You drafted a kicker in the fourth round,

527
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Speaker 2: you drafted a punter in the sixth.

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Speaker 1: The Jets are first. It's six point three, so they

529
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Speaker 1: are It's no, you said seven point nine. So they

530
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Speaker 1: are worse than the best team is good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they have the worst special team and you

532
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Speaker 2: move Joe Judge back to special team, right, like all

533
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Speaker 2: of it. They have How many teams have three special

534
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 2: teams coaches? Because the Patriots have three special teams coaches, right,

535
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Speaker 2: And they have a bunch of special teams players. And

536
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Speaker 2: I'm not like a guy that gets all hot and

537
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Speaker 2: bothered about the cap space they're taking up. I don't

538
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Speaker 2: really point. Yeah, it's a decimal of a paper. But

539
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Speaker 2: that's the point. Is is that this team is focused

540
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Speaker 2: on being good in the kicking game like that, that's

541
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Speaker 2: an emphasis for them. Tough teams cover kicks right out.

542
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 2: But look, there's nothing wrong. Like, here's where I think

543
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 2: the conversation gets lost. There's nothing wrong with wanting to

544
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Speaker 2: be good on special teams.

545
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Speaker 1: But they're not. But they're not. That's the point. Like,

546
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Speaker 1: you can flip games if you're good on special teams. Yeah,

547
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Speaker 1: but if you're gonna focus it, put resources into being

548
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Speaker 1: good and special teams, then you should be good on

549
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Speaker 1: special teams. And yeah, I because I don't want you know,

550
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Speaker 1: I don't want to take Oh, they don't need to

551
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: spend all this money on special teamers and they shouldn't

552
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Speaker 1: be spending much such as much time on it. Like

553
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Speaker 1: that's not the takeaway here. The takeaway is they're doing

554
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Speaker 1: it wrong. Yeah, remember how did this season start. Do

555
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: you remember how the season started? Yeah, they were penalized

556
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Speaker 1: in OTA practice too, for the special teams meeting for

557
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Speaker 1: the fifteen minute special teams meetings, to.

558
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Speaker 2: Have the fifteen minute special teams meaning to be thirty

559
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Speaker 2: second dead last in the league and special teams.

560
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Speaker 1: And look again, like I said, with the turnovers, I

561
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: think part of the plan was, there's gonna be we're

562
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Speaker 1: gonna flip the field. There's gonna be short fields, they're

563
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 1: gonna pin teams inside the five. But Bryce Behringer's shanking kicks,

564
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: they can't get Chad Ryland in position, they can't get

565
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: the snaps off right. There's been a lot of penalties,

566
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: a lot of special teams.

567
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Speaker 2: Penalties, and there their coverage and return units are bad too.

568
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Speaker 2: Like I think that some people look at it and say, oh, well,

569
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Speaker 2: you know Bryce uh the rookies Chad Rylands missed half

570
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: his kicks and Bryce Behingers had some in their rookies

571
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Speaker 2: and this No, they're dead last in the league in

572
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Speaker 2: net punt average. They're dead last in the league in

573
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Speaker 2: return average on kickoffs. Like they're running kicks out of

574
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: the end zone. They don't need a run out you would.

575
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: There's been some weird punts. They feel that there's been

576
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: three or four times this year, and maybe this is

577
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: losing Marcus Jones, but there was one Jabrill Peppers field

578
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Speaker 2: and inside the ten. He shouldn't feel that there was

579
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Speaker 2: the other one he like sort of muffed trying to

580
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: pick up on a bounce. And look, Bill Peppers has

581
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: been one of their best players. I don't mean to

582
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: pick on him overall, but you can't have that if

583
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: you're trying to win games on the margin.

584
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,239
Speaker 1: Special teams is the margin. Yeah, can't have that.

585
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Speaker 2: So that brings me to my last point, and it was,

586
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Speaker 2: you know, two last points. One. Bill O'Brien on Tuesday

587
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: spoke and I thought what he said was really interesting

588
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: about that they need to be better at the details. Yeah,

589
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: And when I heard that, I was like, oh, like

590
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: a Patriots team is not good at the details. Like

591
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 2: that's Bill, right, Like that's all Bill's all about is

592
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: the details, and they can't coach the details into these

593
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: players anymore. And I feel like that's very very worriome I.

594
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Speaker 2: And that kind of gets me to my last point

595
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: about the film, And like what I saw on film,

596
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest, you know. I thought that there

597
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: were some good things about the offense in the second

598
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: half that I was encouraged by in terms of the

599
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: running game and some of the things that Bill O'Brien

600
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Speaker 2: did with the scheme. And I thought that his plan

601
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: for mac his passing script is really good in this game.

602
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: It's not going to work against everybody to run the

603
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: quick game as much as they did and to you know,

604
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,239
Speaker 2: throw it underneath as much as they did, but it

605
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: was the right thing to do in this game with

606
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: the quarterback being where he was at right. It got

607
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: mac Into at least somewhat of a rhythm there in

608
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: the second half, and they moved the ball a little

609
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: bit and things like that. But overall, I watched this

610
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: film against the Raiders, and I kind of came away

611
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: from it being like, you know what, they kind of

612
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: got their butts kicked again, Like the score was twenty

613
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: one to seventeen, but they kind of got their butts

614
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Speaker 2: kicked again in all three phases again, and you know

615
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: it starts to me. Offensively, obviously, the offensive line was

616
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: still not great. They were a little bit better in

617
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: this game than they have been, but I think that

618
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: speaks a little bit more to other than Max Crosby.

619
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Speaker 2: They really don't have anybody over there in Vegas that

620
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: scares you as a pass rusher. But the quarterback I

621
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: thought was bad in this game again, and defensively, that

622
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: defensive performance was extremely concerning to me. Their pass defense

623
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: has completely cratered, and I understand that it's mostly, I

624
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: would say, but a lot of it is because of

625
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: Matthew Judon and Christian Gonzales no longer being available. But

626
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: that's that's gonna be the team for the rest. And

627
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: they allowed Jimmy Garoppolo and Brian Hoyer to average over

628
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: eight yards of per pass attempt in this game. They

629
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: really didn't stop the Raiders other than in the red zone.

630
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: Like the Raiders went up and down the field.

631
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Speaker 1: I mean they did the ben don't break thing.

632
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I give them some credit for holding up

633
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: in the red zone, but they really had a really

634
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: difficult time in general in this game stopping the Raiders

635
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: passing game. And you know, the one big stat that

636
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: stands out is, you know, Aaron Schottz. I think I

637
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: tweeted this. It used to be Football Outsiders, now he's

638
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: at the new site. The Patriots have been really good

639
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: against number one receivers like DeVante Adams really didn't kill

640
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: them in that game. The problem is that they can't

641
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: cover everybody else, right, So they're really good against number

642
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: one receivers, but they've been really poor against twos, threes,

643
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: tight ends like everything else. And that's exactly what happened

644
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: in this game. You saw that through and through, like

645
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: Trey Tucker catches the bomb, Michael Mayery looks like he's

646
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: Prime Gronkowski on the opening drive and nobody can cover him.

647
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: This defense, I really don't think they have no pass rush.

648
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: Their secondary's banged up and they're missing key pieces back there,

649
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 2: and they're not a very good pass defense at all

650
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: right now, So you look at it in all three phases,

651
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: of this game. They really got out played. I thought

652
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: pretty much the in all three phases. And that's I

653
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: think the most concerning thing that you can come away

654
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: from with this game. And you know that's where I'm at.

655
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: That's a thirty minute layout of exactly where the Patriots

656
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: are at, as we tend to do. But it's worrisome

657
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: to really think about that. They even are getting out

658
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: played by teams like the Raiders, and it's not one

659
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: day like it's across the board in a lot of senses.

660
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: Well.

661
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: At the same time, though, I felt like, and this

662
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: goes back to the roster construction thing, my prediction for

663
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,239
Speaker 1: the game going in was it's gonna be close, and

664
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: then the difference in the rosters is the star power.

665
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: The difference in the rosters Devonte Adams, Josh Jacobs and

666
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: Max Crosby. And Crosby specifically just because of the Patriots

667
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: offensive line, I said on the Sports sub Sunday morning,

668
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: this game is gonna be close, and then Max Crosby's

669
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: gonna make a play late and that's gonna be that. Yeah,

670
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 1: And I thought it might be the roughing the passer,

671
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: and I thought I might have gotten it backwards and

672
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: I got a little too excited, but then he gets

673
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: the safety, right. Yeah, that's the difference. And for the Patriots,

674
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: they had a guy like Matthew Judon who could maybe

675
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: give them that player, a guy like Christian Gonzalez who

676
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: could give them that play. I don't know they have

677
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: that guy on offense, but they had a couple options

678
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: on defense. Kyle Duggars should have been the third but

679
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: he hasn't played at that level this year, and that

680
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: to me was you talk about the film stuff and

681
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: getting outplayed. Maybe they did a little bit, but at

682
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: the end of the day, the stars made the plays

683
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: that decided the game. Yeah, and that's kind of what

684
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: the modern NFL is. The stars make the plays that

685
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: decide the game. The Raiders had the stars to do it,

686
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: the Patriots did not.

687
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. That's just add that to the list of

688
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: the lack of star power and the lack of top

689
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: of the roster talent as which which is goes back

690
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: to the personnel thing that we've talked about. So that's

691
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: an ugly truth of I mean, you.

692
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: Say the Raiders outplayed the Patriots, Let's not act like

693
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: the Raiders played this great game.

694
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: They did it they didn't. They did, they didn't.

695
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: But Max Crosby when he needed to make a play,

696
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: penned his ears back and did his thing, and that

697
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: was what made the difference.

698
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's just troubling to look at a team

699
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 2: and like I think I said, I don't know fifteen

700
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: minutes ago or wherever in this rant. That is troubling. Yeah,

701
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: it's troubling to look at a team make the same

702
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: mistakes and like be the same, like just follow the

703
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: same script every single week. And if I'm the Patriots

704
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: and I know there's been a lot of talk this

705
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: week Alex about like taking the ball like instead of

706
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: deferring and like, oh dude, doing different.

707
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: Which watch they won't win another point.

708
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: The rest of the year. But in general, like I

709
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: don't think I think that that gets a little bit overplayed.

710
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: Like I'm not really necessarily sure that that's the difference

711
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: at taking the ball? What's taking the ball? If they

712
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: have two penalties in their first three places and go

713
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: three and half, right, like, it doesn't make it difference.

714
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: You're you're a they still are injuries and all a

715
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: defensive football team, and you should be able to get

716
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: a stop and then score and then go for that

717
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: double score. That's still and people here that a double score.

718
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: They can even get one score. The second you start

719
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: chasing like that, you get panicky issues compound themselves. They

720
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 1: still need to play to their strength. Their strength still

721
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: is defense. Yeah, I don't I'm with you. I don't

722
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 1: think taking the ball does much.

723
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: So going into the season, Belichick, the GM failed because

724
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: we knew the roster had holes, and we knew that

725
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: the talent on the roster had wasn't top end. I

726
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: don't think we thought it was this bad, but we

727
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: didn't think it was this bad.

728
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: We knew the offensive line, we were right about it.

729
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: We knew. We didn't know it was this bad. And

730
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: I think the reason why we didn't know it would

731
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: be this bad is because we thought that they would

732
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 2: be coached better. That's part of it, you know, we

733
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: thought that they were going to coach them. But I

734
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 2: think that's what they thought.

735
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: How many calls did we get, people being like, is

736
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: this really their plan for the offensive line? And it's well,

737
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: they believe in Adrian klem yeah and things like that.

738
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 1: All right, speaking of calls.

739
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: All right, let's take some of the calls and then

740
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: we'll get to three up, three down. Jeff is in Maine.

741
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 2: What's up? Jeff?

742
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, are you how are you good? So pretty

743
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 3: much anytime you guys are on a show, I want

744
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 3: you or listen to it.

745
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: Thank you.

746
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: And I say that for a couple of reasons. One

747
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 3: so you know that this isn't personal, and two that

748
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: you know I'm telling the truth. I'm here to start

749
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: a debate between the two of you.

750
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be that hard.

751
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 3: I've been keeping receipts. Last week on pu Evan, you

752
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: said that Lincoln Riley was one of the brightest offensive

753
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: mind football and you.

754
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: Really want him for a head coach, still do?

755
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: And on past Alex you were vehemently opposed to that

756
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: and said when was the last time a college coach

757
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 3: worked out as an NFL head coach? And I just

758
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 3: want to hear you two go at each other for this.

759
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 3: I'll take it off the air. Enjoy guys.

760
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: Thanks Jeff, and thanks for the call and for listening

761
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: to us. We really appreciate that Lincoln Riley. Give him

762
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: to me.

763
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: Wasn't good against that that If you can't beat that

764
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: Notre Dame team to Louisville.

765
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 2: They got a good defense. Kind of yea, they could

766
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: kind of. They played the game.

767
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: He has the number one pick in the draft. He

768
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: can't go in and scheme up for that for that defense.

769
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: I mean to be fair. Bill O'Brien had the number

770
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: one pick in the draft at Alabama last year and

771
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: also didn't make it very far. So if we're just gonna.

772
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: We had no wide one, he had no wide receivers

773
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 1: last year too, all right, And how's that? And how's

774
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien doing in the NFL?

775
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 2: Right now?

776
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: How's he doing in the NFL? If you can't beat

777
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, how and how are you? And by the way,

778
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley, Oklahoma, USC, it was cold, it was rainy.

779
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: He from all the reports out of southern California that

780
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: might have gotten in his head a little bit, and

781
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: I think he struggled to prepare his team for that. Well,

782
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: water gun action, right, we're players with water guns. It's

783
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: not gonna fly in the NFL. You want him to

784
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: come to New England and try. First of all, I

785
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: will he do that and leave Southern LA.

786
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 2: But also he won't come here.

787
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: I know that that was His team has had bad

788
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: games the last few weeks, he got out He got

789
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: out coached by Jeed Fish. I know they won, but

790
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: he got out coached by Jetfish against Arizona.

791
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: I think Jed Fish is kind of a good coach.

792
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: He might be, but still he got out coached by

793
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: And I think Marcus Freeman's a good coach too. But

794
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: these aren't guys that NFL teams are breaking down the

795
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: door for Kyle Whittingham. Has whooped him twice in the

796
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: last year. He's got him this week. And you should

797
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: like Kyle Whittingham. I don't know how much you know

798
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: about him, but you would if you did. It has

799
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: not been a good couple of weeks for Lincoln Riley,

800
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: and that team.

801
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: Is kind of to come to the NFL. It's not

802
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: working for him at the college level.

803
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: It's too hard for him. So why doesn't he go

804
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: coach against better coaches? Is your answer.

805
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: Well, it's not necessarily better coaches.

806
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: It's better coaches. It's different, No, it's better. It's better

807
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: football coaches most of the time.

808
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: Most of it.

809
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, outside of the guys like that get called

810
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: it from the college ranks, like Matt Ruhle and Urban Meyer.

811
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: So the reason why I like Lincoln Riley and they

812
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: thank you for laying out all the reasons why he stinks.

813
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: And no, he's a good college coach. I don't want

814
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: to come across that like he's not. He's a very

815
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: good college football coach. But there are some guys Nick Saban,

816
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: and you know how I feel about Nick Saban. Nick

817
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: Saban is a very good college football coach. He also

818
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: chose Dante Culpepper over Drew Brees in two thousand and six. Right,

819
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: there's a reason Nick Saban has just been at Alabama

820
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 1: and stayed there.

821
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: So I think that guys like so here's the difference

822
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: for me? Everybody like I could. I think it's more

823
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 2: of an offseason topic to go into all the great

824
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: things about Lincoln Riley. But at the crux of for

825
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley, just know this, Lincoln Riley runs a new

826
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: age offense. Right, that's a modern spread, air raid elements,

827
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: RPO elements like that's a that's a modern NFL or

828
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 2: just offense in general. And a lot of NFL coaches

829
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: have taken from Lincoln Riley and it's trickled up into

830
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: the into the pro game. You know, mainly guys that

831
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: coached with him. But also so guys like Andy Reid,

832
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: for example, in Kansas City, has a lot of Lincoln

833
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: in his playbook now, so they've done a lot of

834
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: those different types. It's a modern offense, that's like the

835
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: bottom line of it.

836
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: But there are NFL coaches that coaches that have experienced

837
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: at the coaches.

838
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. The other reason why I look at

839
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley as a great candidate is because I actually

840
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: think in a way that his personality might actually fit

841
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 2: the pro game more than the college game. And so

842
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 2: in college, like a guy like Nick Saban, for example,

843
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: you mentioned like stayed in college for a reason. I

844
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: think that guys like Nick Saban need to be able

845
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: to like motivate with like aggression, right, Like that's like

846
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: the type of motivation that they have to stand by

847
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: and like I'm like this father figure to you and

848
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: you have to answer to me, and like it's a

849
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: it's disciplined, right, it's a college program. Lincoln Riley to me,

850
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 2: is cut from the same cloth of like a Sean McVay,

851
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: a Kyle Shanahan, a Mike McDaniel, like the these more

852
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 2: new age coaches that are a little bit more chill,

853
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: a little bit more laid back. You know, he lives

854
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: out in la in this like ridiculous mansion apparently right

855
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 2: like all these like things like that, and I did

856
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: I think that that lends itself more to the program

857
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: because you don't usually and I know this team. I

858
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 2: just went on this whole thing about how this team

859
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: doesn't have, you know, that sort of complaint that this

860
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 2: team does have complacency and doesn't have that kind of drive.

861
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: But usually when you're dealing with professional athletes, you don't

862
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 2: need to fother them, right Like you don't need to

863
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: kick them in the butt, and you you don't have

864
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: to worry because they're getting paid to do a job,

865
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: like you don't have to worry as much about that

866
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 2: sort of stuff. And I think that that's where the

867
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 2: difference to me between the guy like Lincoln Riley and

868
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: some of the coaches that have come from college that

869
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: have failed in the NFL. I think a lot of

870
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: those guys come to the NFL and are try like

871
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: to be these like disciplinaries and it doesn't work because

872
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: you can't do that with pro.

873
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: So I I would say Matt Rule doesn't fit that description.

874
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer probably does.

875
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 2: Her Matt role definitely does. He came from Temple. That's

876
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: like Temple tough, like that's the whole, that's the whole mantra.

877
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: No he was, No, he wasn't that kind of guy.

878
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: Everything I've heard about his programs, he was not that

879
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: kind of guy.

880
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 2: Seemed like that kind of guy. Carolina.

881
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: I would also say, just I don't there. I don't

882
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: want to say anything that like isn't like it hasn't

883
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: been reported about. I say were there was some and

884
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: maybe he learned from it. The way Lincoln Riley left Oklahoma, Yeah,

885
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: I think rubbed a lot of players the wrong way.

886
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think because he left, but I think

887
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: it was the way he ran the program and the

888
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: things he preached to leave the way he did. I

889
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: think there's some and again maybe a change when he left.

890
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: I think the Oklahoma program was a lot more disciplinarian

891
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: than maybe it came across and maybe la Lincoln's different.

892
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: But I think at Oklahoma there was a you know,

893
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: you follow my word because I know and I will

894
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: get you there kind of thing. And then for him

895
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: to leave, so suddenly it was a well you told

896
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: us to trust you blow and you bailed on us.

897
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. I just ultimately, like in terms of

898
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 2: like the motivator and all that kind of stuff. You know,

899
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: I don't really care as much about that stuff as

900
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: some people do. I just want to I would also

901
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: say offensive, mind, that's all I want. But you even said, like,

902
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: there's guys that run the Lincoln Riley offense. This is

903
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: the other element of it where I just struggle with

904
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 2: the college coaches and there's evidence of this in the past,

905
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: And this is where Matt rule does not apply. But

906
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: a guy like Nick Saban applies, a guy like Urban

907
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: Meyer certainly applies to this. Lincoln Riley is at his

908
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: core recruiter. Yeah, he's a.

909
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: Great offensive mine. But before he was that, he was

910
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: a recruiter and he has pretty much across the board.

911
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: You could count on one hand to games Lincoln Riley

912
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: as coached where he did not have the most talented roster.

913
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: That's not gonna be the case in the NFL. And

914
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 1: can he compensate for that? So you said that there's

915
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: guys in the NFL that run Lincoln Riley's offense. You

916
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: say you want Lincoln Riley, I would say to you

917
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: give me some of these guys in the NFL that

918
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: are doing it.

919
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: Those are the guys I would call. Yeah, I just

920
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: think ultimately, and oh, Cliff.

921
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: Kings varies another one, perfect example that always had great

922
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: Where I get Patrick Mahomes, Yeah, and he got to

923
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: the NFL and he didn't have a great roster and

924
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: suddenly some of that new ag stuff. When your players

925
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: aren't twenty times faster than the opponent across the board,

926
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: it's a little harder to run that.

927
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough. You look, I don't know as much

928
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: about college football as you. We all know that, so like,

929
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: I'm not going to argue with you about like what

930
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: he was like and what he wasn't like. I bet

931
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: my best offensive mind, and I think Lincoln Riley is

932
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 2: at the very top of the list nowadays in terms

933
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: of offensive innovators and coaches. And that's fair.

934
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: But again, I think you need to take that one

935
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: step further and say, all right, if there's other people

936
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: running this offense who have experienced with an NFL team, yea,

937
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: that's the that's the middle ground, that's where you go.

938
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: And I think you're practical about it instead of just

939
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: taking a wild swing that don't get me wrong, Like

940
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: the ceilings of it would be in theory very high

941
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: with hiring Lincoln Riley, but I think think it's as

942
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: if not more likely you end up in a borderline

943
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer situation. Is there a guy that's a little

944
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: bit safer that will still give you some of that

945
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: offensive motivation, that just has that NFL experience.

946
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 2: So I think it's an interesting question, and I you know,

947
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: this is also probably more off season in terms of

948
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: like if this actually happens, and they are we do

949
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 2: are talking about lists of head coaching candidates and things

950
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: like that. But I think we're both in lockstep that

951
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: as much as we both like Girod Mayo, that an

952
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 2: offensive minded coach and that whole direction is is probably

953
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: the best thing.

954
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: I have one exception on that. Okay, if you can

955
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: get Josh McDaniels back, is the OC, okay, because.

956
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: But then the Raiders have to fire him, so which

957
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: she now you're going down on.

958
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: I know, but it's more like your thing. And I

959
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: used to kind of scoff at this. I actually if it's.

960
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: Girodd though, I would think that Bill o'bryant's offensive.

961
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: Okay, So here's the thing I used to scoff at

962
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: this when you would say it. You're right. The danger

963
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: in having a defensive mind head coach is the offensive

964
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: coordinator you're gonna turn through him and the quarterback doesn't

965
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: get any consistency.

966
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 3: Right.

967
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: There is validity to that, which I didn't agree to

968
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: in the past, but I do now.

969
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: Wow, look at that head that I was right about something. Faith, But.

970
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: Where's Josh McDaniels going.

971
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Well where is it going the first time?

972
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: Yeah? But but now the second time has happened is

973
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: kind of my point. That's fair, Like are you really

974
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: going and and let me if he leaves, Yeah, it's

975
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: not going to be for years. You're gonna have some stability.

976
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: And maybe this applies to Bill O'Brien to I don't know,

977
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: but like that.

978
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: Would be like O'Brien could have a college job before.

979
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: Okay that Josh McDaniels would be my exception to the

980
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: offensive coach rule. If you can get Josh McDaniels the

981
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: offensive court, there is consistency on the offensive side of

982
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: the ball with him that you're not gonna get with

983
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: like a younger upshot and and maybe there's other guys

984
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: that fit that like maybe Eric b Enemy. It seems

985
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: like teams don't want to hire him. His head go

986
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 1: to just wrong.

987
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 2: I don't know why he would leave the commanders to.

988
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: I don't either. But again, if you can get one

989
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: of those like older ocs that you notice isn't going anywhere.

990
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: I would like the end of me. If they can

991
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: clear his his background, then I would like.

992
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: He's on He's on my short like if if we're

993
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: going to talk about names, like he would be one

994
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: of the first names that comes up.

995
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: He's done a really good job with Sam Howell.

996
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: He's done a great job with Sam Hall, like he

997
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: deserves a lot of credit. And when he left Herbud,

998
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: it's all right, we're gonna find out it was all Mahomes.

999
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: And is he another one of these you know, Adam Gase,

1000
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy kind of coaches. He might Mahomes is part

1001
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: of it. But the Enemy's doing a very good job

1002
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 1: on his own.

1003
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's He's a good candidate. And I think that

1004
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: all you know, those types of guys I like Ben Johnson,

1005
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: I do. I think with the thing with Ben Johnson

1006
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: that concerns me a little bit is just that that

1007
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 2: system is very shanahany and you're really talking about completely

1008
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: overhauling the offensive personnel.

1009
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: What if we talked about with this offense for the

1010
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: last few weeks.

1011
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: I agree, Like, but I'm just talking that those systems

1012
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: take time to build up. Yeah, and it takes continuity

1013
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: and it takes a lot of practice time. Like if

1014
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 2: you're Robert Kraft and you're firing the greatest head coach

1015
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: of all time because of his performance, you the next

1016
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 2: year in twenty twenty four don't want to stick again

1017
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: like you want that. You don't need to win a

1018
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: Super Bowl what you're saying, but you need to have

1019
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: a little bit of like, you know, instant gratification to it.

1020
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 1: Say, look at what Mike McDaniel did in Miami. That

1021
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: team he inherited was not Brian Flores, wasn't running a

1022
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: Chanahan offense.

1023
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: So no, but they had some pieces already, like they

1024
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: had to. They had Jalen Waddle, Like did they have

1025
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: Jalen one? Yeah, yeah, they drafted Jalen Wattle the year

1026
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: before they they traded.

1027
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: For Okay, so they had some But yeah, it's not

1028
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: like a five year project.

1029
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: No, it's like a two or three year project.

1030
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: It doesn't scare me too much. I get what you're

1031
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: saying with you Genie Moore, ins and gratifying. Yeah, but

1032
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: that doesn't scare me.

1033
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 2: All right, Sean is in Vancouver. What's up Sean?

1034
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 5: Hey guys, hope doing well. Ev and I was also

1035
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 5: in Vegas. I had a great time to fight the lost. No,

1036
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 5: you said before, you're not crazy about going back to Vegas.

1037
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: Spend too many times?

1038
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: He's lying. He loves Vegas, he loves the love.

1039
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 5: Sounds like you had a good time though, with you know,

1040
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 5: playing that top call.

1041
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, top golf was Evan went to Vegas and enjoyed golfing.

1042
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 2: There you go, this is a win for me.

1043
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, well there's something. There's always something to enjoy.

1044
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 3: Now.

1045
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 5: I want to hear speaking on the positive stuff that

1046
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 5: we're talking about how bad the Patriots are, which is

1047
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 5: understandable as they're one in five and we're not used

1048
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 5: to this. And the crew who was like talking yesterday

1049
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 5: about how I was looking at the All twenty two

1050
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 5: and seeing just so many holds. What is there that's

1051
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 5: positive that we can look forward to on Sunday? I mean,

1052
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 5: city so played at guard I don't know you were

1053
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 5: watching the twenty two it seemed like he was okay.

1054
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 5: But what can we look forward to that in this

1055
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 5: game that we can move forward with. Are there any

1056
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 5: players or are there anything that you think might work?

1057
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 5: Is there something we can do that could be different

1058
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 5: than I actually lead to a score offensively, I'm just

1059
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 5: just looking for something to grasp onto.

1060
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 2: No, Sean, that's that's a good call because and thanks

1061
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: for the call, Sean. I'm glad you had fun in Vegas.

1062
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: It's we got to talk about some positives, right, and

1063
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 2: it can't be all negative and that's not like a

1064
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 2: Homer than just there's gotta be something show. I think

1065
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: that there's two things and then this is a great

1066
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: segue into three up.

1067
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: We talked about one positive. We talked about your haircut. Thanks,

1068
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: where'd you get it again?

1069
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: Jay?

1070
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: Barbershop? Baby? Anyways? Uh so it's so shameless. Uh uh.

1071
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 2: The one thing that I liked about what they did

1072
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: on offense this week, and you know, defensively, like they're

1073
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 2: still okay, like they're like fourteenth in DVOA on defense.

1074
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: That's so you gotta take like the first month out

1075
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 2: kind of because Judon and Gonzalez were there so, but

1076
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: in general, they've been Oh, they're gonna be okay on defense.

1077
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick, I think, although his like floor hasn't translated

1078
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: to the entire team as a whole defensively, that I

1079
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 2: believe they have a Belichick floor where he's not going

1080
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: to coach a defense that's an absolute disaster. He's he's

1081
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: too good on that side of the ball. Gerrodmeo, Steve Belichick.

1082
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 2: They're good enough at their jobs on that side of

1083
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: the ball to keep the defense at least middleing, even

1084
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 2: with the talent issues that they have. So I think

1085
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: that their defense is going to be competitive most weeks,

1086
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 2: as long as the offense doesn't leave them out to

1087
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: dry like they did in Dallas and against New Orleans.

1088
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 2: The other positive, I thought they did a much better

1089
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: job in this game than we can also do our

1090
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: three ups. The other positive, I thought they did a

1091
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: much better job schematically in this game using motion like

1092
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: They used a ton of more jet motion, end around motion,

1093
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: motion at the snap right like stuff, window dressing things

1094
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 2: like that, and I thought that was a big reason

1095
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 2: why their their run game was a little bit better

1096
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: in this game. I know the Raiders run defense was

1097
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: also part of that equation. But I really like some

1098
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: of these short you've been screaming about them, like throwing

1099
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: the ball on third and one and stuff like that.

1100
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 2: They ran the ball that this past week they got

1101
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 2: first down. A big part of that, though, was because

1102
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 2: it was off of motion, right Like they had a

1103
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 2: Kendrick Bourne jet sweeper end around for a first down

1104
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 2: on third down, and then they sequenced that by faking

1105
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: the jet sweep and then pitching it out to Remandre

1106
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: in the other direction and they got another first down

1107
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: at that. So some of the motion stuff I really liked.

1108
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 2: In the run games time, I thought Bill O'Brien and

1109
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 2: Adrian Clem dressed it up a lot better. So it

1110
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: wasn't just we're gonna run gap right at you right like.

1111
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 2: You can't just do that all the time. He got

1112
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 2: to have some semblance of you know, window dressing whatever

1113
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: you want to call it, and eye candy and and

1114
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: be able to just manipulate some gaps a little bit

1115
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: and manipulate the defense of you know, their eye discipline

1116
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: and their rules. So I really liked that. And that

1117
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,479
Speaker 2: gets us into three up, three down.

1118
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: Just one more thing on the callers point there and

1119
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: said anything like this week to look forward to. I'd

1120
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: like to see him expand that only Coningham package a

1121
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: little bit as well. Oh god, it was bad, I know,

1122
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: but the Bills aren't good against the runs and they

1123
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 1: might not have that Oliver.

1124
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: The game was moving really fast for me leak and

1125
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: I don't blame him for that. Like it was his

1126
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: first NFL game in the regular season. He hadn't played

1127
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 2: other than maybe some practice reps, Like he's been sitting

1128
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: there waiting to play. Yeah, and so throw him into

1129
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 2: the fire. I thought both of them. He made the

1130
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: wrong reads on both of them, But I just I

1131
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: understand that.

1132
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: I get his first time, but it's also like, what

1133
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: do you have to lose? They need to find ways

1134
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: on offense. The Bills have not been good against the run.

1135
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to see him expand the run

1136
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: game overall. But yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward. I'm hoping

1137
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: we get another look at Malie Hunningham this week.

1138
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 2: That's fair, all right, Three up, three down. Number one

1139
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 2: up for me is Christian Barmore. I thought Christian Barmore

1140
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: is fantastic in this game. Five run stuffs, two batted passes,

1141
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 2: hurry in the past game. That's eight, as Greg Badar

1142
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 2: would say, impactful play plays, and one.

1143
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: Of them, one of those run stuffs was the one

1144
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: on third down to get the ball back for I mean,

1145
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: they end up with safety, but what would have been

1146
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: the final try.

1147
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 2: He also he almost had a sixth very first play

1148
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 2: of the game or run play at least, I don't

1149
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: know if it was the very first play, a very

1150
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: first run play of the game for the Raiders. He went,

1151
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 2: you know, block, anticipated the block, the zone, block, went

1152
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 2: right around the guard and was in the backfield and

1153
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 2: then it ended up being like a gang tackle for

1154
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 2: no game. But he was the reason why the play

1155
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 2: got blown up in the first place. That's because he

1156
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: was in the backfield. This I think to me and I,

1157
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: you know, going back to his rookie year, he might

1158
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: have had better games or more impactful games in the

1159
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: pass rush. But I thought that this might have been

1160
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 2: Christian Barber's best game in the NFL, Like, this was

1161
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: a really really good game by Christian Barber.

1162
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: He was really good. Yeah, I was gonna have him

1163
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: on my list, and so you have multiple switch him out,

1164
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, he was. This is a that was as

1165
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: completed game as I've seen him play all right.

1166
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 2: Who you got, Jabrill Peppers.

1167
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he was awesome in this game and

1168
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: everything we talked about over the summer with him being

1169
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: like a tone setter and things like that. He's they

1170
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: got to be getting him on the field. He's their

1171
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: best safety right now.

1172
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1173
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: And it goes beyond the Devonte Adams hit, as awesome

1174
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: as that was and his textbook as that was.

1175
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 2: And that was the first time that the Patriots have

1176
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 2: made a Highlight Sports Center Top ten type of play

1177
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: and what like six weeks probably since the Farah Brown touchdown, Yah, yeah,

1178
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: in like a month. I mean it's textbook, that's a

1179
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: teach tape, hit, clean play, all of it. Yeah.

1180
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: But he's just he's constantly around the football. You can

1181
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: tell he's able to rally some of the guys on

1182
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: that defense just as a leader. Who's I think some

1183
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: guys even talked about him stepping up with Matthew Judson

1184
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: in that role. Yeah, he's just been. He's been everything

1185
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: you wanted him to be. You talk about I say

1186
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: this all the time with players, right if he maxes

1187
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: out what he will give you, I think you're seeing

1188
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: Jabrill Peppers more or less maxed out, which is fun

1189
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:23,479
Speaker 1: to watch.

1190
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, first round talent Jabriel Peppers right, like this is

1191
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: you know, if we want to hold onto one thing

1192
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: that like one Belichick mystique item, it's that Bill Belichick

1193
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 2: figured out how to use Jabriel Peppers right and get

1194
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 2: that first round at.

1195
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: Well, this is almost I want to see him on offense.

1196
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: I want to see him in the wildcat like it

1197
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: was in Michigan.

1198
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: So really good game from Jabriel Peppers. He was on

1199
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 2: my list too. I assume that we're gonna might have

1200
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 2: the same exact list or a very similar Well, I'll

1201
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: change mine as we go. Number two for me was

1202
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: Kendrick Born and Kendrick Bourne. In this game, we had

1203
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 2: nine catches, right or eight catches on nine targets or

1204
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 2: something like that. I should have pulled that up. The

1205
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 2: thirty six yard catches ridiculous, Like just broke like three tackles.

1206
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 2: I don't even know how he got out of the tackles,

1207
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 2: Like the original tackle gets into the open field, and

1208
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: I remember, as he's running in the open field, I

1209
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 2: saw who was it? I should know these things chasing

1210
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 2: him from behind whoever it was, And in my head

1211
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 2: I could think of was don't fumble right like I

1212
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: thought that he was saw. I thought he was gonna

1213
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 2: fumble because the guy was gonna catch him from behind.

1214
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: He didn't fumble, held onto the ball. But in general,

1215
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: this was a really really fun tape to watch from

1216
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 2: Kendrick Bourne. He was running routes with purpose right like

1217
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: dynamic route running. There was a throw on the left

1218
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 2: hand sideline that Mac threw to Kasiki that was incomplete.

1219
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: Kasiki like kind of tried to one hand catch it.

1220
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 2: He was held a little bit. Taekwon Thornton ended up

1221
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 2: getting the flag for holding and they got the first down. Anyway,

1222
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 2: go watch that play again if you can find it

1223
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: and look at Kendrick Bourne run the little whip route

1224
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 2: underneath just absolutely breaks the corner ankles and his wide

1225
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: open underneath and of course Mac missism, which we'll get

1226
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 2: to in a second. But in general, I thought that

1227
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: Kendrick Bourne was running dynamic routes, like really really dynamic

1228
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: receiver routes, creating separation. You could tell in the stem

1229
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: that he was coming off the line of scrimmage and

1230
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 2: guys were feeling that speed and that explosiveness. This was

1231
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 2: one of his better games with the Patriots. I know

1232
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 2: he's had some games that were maybe more statistically good

1233
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 2: than this one. But last thing on Bourne, some of

1234
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 2: those plays that he caught against zone, just the quarterback

1235
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 2: and the receiver being on the same page. It was

1236
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 2: refreshing to see mac Getz blitz Kendrick Bourne sits down

1237
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 2: and like they knew where each other was going to be.

1238
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 2: I don't think you can really say that for everybody

1239
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 2: on this team with the receivers. So the fact that

1240
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 2: he was on the same page as consistently as he

1241
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 2: was with the quarterback was cool to see as well.

1242
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: This is everything we were yelling about last year. Yeah

1243
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: I was yelling about last year with Kendrick Bourne. Yeah,

1244
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: great game, Like he can play, man, Yeah, he can play,

1245
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: and they're finally giving him a chance, and I mean

1246
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 1: he has to now he's their best option on offense.

1247
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: They got to start running, especially if Hunter Henry's going

1248
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: to miss time and he hasn't been a practice this

1249
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: or he's back today but he missed practice earlier this week.

1250
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: They got to run this thing through Kendrick because he's

1251
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: the most explosive player they have. Yeah, he's the most

1252
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: explosive player they have on offense. He's creating with the

1253
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: ball in his hands. Outside of Pop Douglas, who they

1254
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: really just won't play, Kendrick Bourne is the only guy

1255
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: you can say that about. Like Hunter, Henry's been good,

1256
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: but he's not going to create. He's gonna give you

1257
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: more or less what's given to him. Kendrick Bourne is

1258
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: an explosive player, and you're starting to see.

1259
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: That he was opened the entire game, like he has

1260
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 2: even more than what he was targeted. He was opened

1261
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 2: the whole game. All right? What else he got?

1262
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott? Yeah, he so I have a theory on Zeke.

1263
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: He obviously joined the Patriots a month in a month

1264
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: in a training camp. Yeah so he I don't want

1265
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: to say he's a month behind, but he is kind

1266
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: of a month behind. I know. He said he tried

1267
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: to stay in football shape when he was on his own.

1268
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: There's only so much you can do. We're now a

1269
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: month and he looked a little slow at the beginning

1270
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: of the year. Now a month into the season. Yeah,

1271
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: he was running with purpose. He's never gonna be like

1272
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: a burner, but he was. He wasn't running away from guys,

1273
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: but he was running through guys, he was getting guys,

1274
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: shaking guys off of him, things like that. When he

1275
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: hit the corner, there was a burst. You can before

1276
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: the first couple weeks you could tell like he's trying

1277
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: to find the hole, and guys run slower when they're

1278
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: trying to read the field because you're waiting for things

1279
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: to open up, and then when they hit the hole,

1280
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: you want to see that pop. I thought I saw

1281
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: more pop from him in this game coming off of

1282
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: the read than I have to this point. So I'd

1283
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: like to especially for Mara's banged up, I'd like to

1284
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: see him get more involved. Yeah, both in the run game,

1285
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: maybe in the past game. But he looked healthy, he

1286
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: looked good, he looked right, he looked like Zeke.

1287
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: Again.

1288
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: Bills aren't a team that runs the ball well, that

1289
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: defends the run well. So this week if he can

1290
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: maybe and they especially are bad in between in between

1291
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: the guards. Yeah, get see if you can get him going,

1292
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: because I think he's kind of back in that feed

1293
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: Zeke mode where he can start dealing defense. His body

1294
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: blows and maybe you build off of that.

1295
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's one of their best offensive players,

1296
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 2: which might speak to where they are on offense a

1297
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 2: little bit. But he's one of their best offensive players.

1298
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 2: And I you know, I love Vermandra Stevenson. I love

1299
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 2: him as a player. I think he's been great with

1300
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 2: the media since he's been here. He's a good dude.

1301
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 2: But that being said, Zeke is their best running back

1302
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 2: right now, and I think that they need to they

1303
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: need to feed him that he needs. I would venture

1304
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 2: to say that it might even be time to just

1305
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 2: say that he's kind of the number one guy.

1306
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: It might be.

1307
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's the best player, all right, anything else?

1308
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 7: Uh No?

1309
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: Because I had I had Peppers, Yep, Zeke and Born.

1310
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Peppers was my last one too. So let's clear

1311
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 2: these calls and we'll get to three down and we'll

1312
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about it. Then you had another one,

1313
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: Pepper Born, No mine, we're mine, We're bar More Born Peppers,

1314
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: and you added Zeke to it, which I think is

1315
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 2: a good one. All right, Mark is in Connecticut. What's up?

1316
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: Mark?

1317
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 3: Hey?

1318
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 2: But Alex, you guys doing good.

1319
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 7: I was on with Nick fifty yesterday and we're talking

1320
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 7: about how we really.

1321
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 3: Need to sit Juju Smith.

1322
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 7: Schuster and DeVante Parker and run Bop DoD list Kayshawn Boute,

1323
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:15,439
Speaker 7: Kendrick Warn and Taekwon Thornton. Run the rookies. It's time

1324
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 7: to sit these guys that aren't doing a damn thing.

1325
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's really fair, and thanks for the call. Mark.

1326
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 2: We just we're up against it a little bit here

1327
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: because of locker room. They moved it early, so we

1328
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 2: want to move this on a little bit. Thanks for

1329
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 2: the call. Yeah, that gets me a three down. Look

1330
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: at that nice transition, right, three down my number one

1331
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 2: down in this game. I had a tough time with

1332
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: this with with picking who was number one on us

1333
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 2: because I agree with the call one hundred percent. It's

1334
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 2: time to sit DeVante Parker and Juju Smith Schuster and

1335
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 2: enroll with the young guys. But my number went down

1336
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 2: as Mac Jones. It's it's still Mac. DeVante Parker is

1337
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 2: also on my list, so don't don't don't worry. Like I,

1338
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 2: he's gonna get his in a second. But Mac Jones

1339
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 2: was more consistently bad, right, like DeVonta. Parker had like

1340
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 2: one or two bad plays bad, yes, right, but Mac

1341
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: Jones in this game. You know we laid out in

1342
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 2: the first thirty minutes, and I wanted to do it

1343
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 2: this way because I don't want people to think to me,

1344
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 2: it's two separate things. We can sit here and talk

1345
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 2: about Bill Belichick's mistakes, and the reason why we're here

1346
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: from a thirty thousand foot view is Bill's fault. It's

1347
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 2: Bill's fault that we're at this point with the quarterback.

1348
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 2: Bill did this. This is not me crapping on Mac Jones.

1349
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 2: But when I talk about Mac Jones in terms of

1350
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 2: his play, I'm just telling you what i'm seeing that's

1351
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 2: going wrong for him. I'm not sitting here telling you

1352
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 2: it's his fault. It's Bill Belichick's fault that they have

1353
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 2: no offensive tackles and their best receiver is Devonte Parker.

1354
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 2: That's Bill Belichick's fault, right, So, and you know their

1355
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 2: best receiver is Cuderport. But you know what my point is, right,

1356
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 2: their number one receiver is supposed to be DeVonta.

1357
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: Parker, the guy that just extended.

1358
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's Bill's fault. With that being said, Mac

1359
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 2: Jones is leaving too many plays out on the field.

1360
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 2: He just is. And it's not just the interceptions. Like

1361
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 2: the Hunter Henry interception was a brutal throw. We all

1362
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 2: know that, but really, when you go and you look

1363
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 2: at this film, the only good throw he really made

1364
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: in this game, I should say that, the only like

1365
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 2: high level throw he made in this game was the

1366
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 2: deep ball to Parker, right. The rest of it is

1367
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 2: all just kind of you know, layup yards like yards,

1368
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 2: and most quarterbacks in the league should be able to

1369
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: get He is locking onto receivers, which I think is

1370
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 2: a big thing. You know, Hunter Henry is a big

1371
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 2: one that he just stares at Hunter Henry and if

1372
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry doesn't get open, he might throw it anyways

1373
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,439
Speaker 2: some of the time, or he just takes a sack

1374
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 2: or eats it or whatever. It's first read. Sometimes he'll

1375
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 2: get to the checkdown, but most of the time it's

1376
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 2: like first read and then oh crap, now you know panic.

1377
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: Which is crazy because he was not always like that.

1378
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: Right, So I could probably count on one hand in

1379
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 2: the last three weeks how many times I've seen Mac

1380
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 2: Jones make like a second read rhythm throw right, Like

1381
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,959
Speaker 2: in my drop read, the first reads not there, get

1382
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 2: off the first read, come to the second read, hit

1383
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 2: the second read that's open, Like I haven't seen it.

1384
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 2: I haven't seen him move off any first read in

1385
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 2: like a month and that other than to get to

1386
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 2: the checkdown. But that's like a separate thing, right right.

1387
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 2: And in this game, I know Romo highlighted the play

1388
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 2: and tried to like make excuses for him, but he

1389
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 2: locks into Hunter Henry on on this third down, and

1390
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry's running like a little whip return route and

1391
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 2: he's covered. Not only is he covered, but he's like

1392
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 2: five yards short of the third down marker and he's covered.

1393
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 2: So even if he throws like a contested type of

1394
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 2: throw and Hunter Henry still makes a play on the ball,

1395
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 2: he's not getting the first down. Kendrick Bourne is wide

1396
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: open passed the sticks on the dig route, and all

1397
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 2: mac Jones has to do is come off Hunter Henry,

1398
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 2: you know, reset his eyes and get to Kendrick Bourne

1399
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 2: in the second read in the progression and make an

1400
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 2: easy throw. Make a wide open throw right in front

1401
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 2: of him, and he doesn't get to it. The throw

1402
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 2: to Time Montgomery, that should have been an interception. MIKEA.

1403
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 2: Sicki is just wide open on the d cut on

1404
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 2: the second read. Again, just come off to read and

1405
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 2: hit the throw in front of you. He's not seeing

1406
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 2: the game. Well right now, he's not seeing it well,

1407
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 2: the interception of Hunter Henry, I thought he was a

1408
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 2: sped up rep for him. Yeah, completely, Yeah, like you know,

1409
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 2: it's hoss juke. He's off the host side, like the

1410
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 2: juke side, the three receiver side, before he's even to

1411
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 2: the top of the drop, like he's already looking all

1412
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 2: over the place at that point, and then he leaves

1413
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 2: a pocket. That the step up from the pocket was

1414
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 2: the right thing to do, but he didn't need to

1415
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 2: completely leave the pocket. He doesn't. No, all he has

1416
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 2: to do is step up and buy himself some time

1417
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 2: for Max Crosby coming around over the around the edge

1418
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 2: and just make a little throw to Zeke Elliott for

1419
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 2: a first down on the juke route. He's not seeing

1420
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 2: the field well, he's not feeling pressure. Well, it's just

1421
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 2: he's broken. He's absolutely positively broken. And I just I

1422
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 2: preface the whole thing by saying that it's Bill Belichick's

1423
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 2: fault that we've gotten to this point. But the bottom

1424
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 2: line is the quarterback is broken mentally. He most importantly,

1425
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 2: and uh, you know we say this all the time.

1426
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 2: If Mac is not if his details are not sharp,

1427
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 2: if his footwork isn't sharp, if his eyes aren't in

1428
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 2: the right places, if he's not making the right decisions

1429
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 2: with the football, he doesn't have enough physical talent to

1430
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 2: overcome it. Like he has to play well at the fundamentals,

1431
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 2: Like the fundamentals need to be sharp for him to

1432
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,439
Speaker 2: be a good quarterback. And they're a mess right now

1433
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 2: in the fundamentals. So that that's why mac Jones take

1434
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 2: and that what's your first.

1435
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: Down, Adrian clemb Yeah, I mean I could Putian Lowell

1436
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: on here, but it's not like Lowe's fault out there.

1437
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 2: You can add Mafi to the way.

1438
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mafi, all of them, like, like it's it's not

1439
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: I go back to that safety. If a Darian Lowe

1440
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: barely gets a hand on Max Crosby and you're six

1441
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: weeks in that there's nothing they can do to help

1442
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: out there, and.

1443
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 2: Connor mcdermot's here to save us, right.

1444
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: It kind of feels that way, And I'm actually kind

1445
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: of glad of that because he was serviceable at least

1446
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: last year. And I don't know that serviceable saves this

1447
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,479
Speaker 1: offensive line, but it's better. Yeah, the offensive line didn't

1448
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: look ready this week. No, they didn't look ready, and

1449
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: that's on the offensive line.

1450
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 2: Coach. I'm a little disappointed, Like I know, in that play,

1451
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 2: Mike Asicki's technically like chipping or I mean he didn't

1452
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 2: really try either speed bump, like just right, not even there.

1453
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 2: And uh, I feel like that was a little bit disappointing.

1454
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 2: Adrian klemm I felt like left Vaderian low Or. I

1455
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 2: guess Bill O'Brien takes playing for this too. I think

1456
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 2: they left Vederian Lowe a little bit one on one

1457
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 2: with Max Crosby a little bit too.

1458
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: Keep doing that, and they did it last week and

1459
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: they did it. It's it's it's been an issue.

1460
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And why like Pharaoh Brown doesn't just come into

1461
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 2: the game there and to block, Like, I get what

1462
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 2: they're doing, they get basically what happened was is I

1463
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 2: think Henry was hurt, right, and so Kaziki's in the

1464
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 2: game in eleven and that's just the only tight end

1465
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 2: at that spot that they trust. But I would have

1466
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 2: liked to I would have preferred to have seen in

1467
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 2: that spot just run twelve with Kasiki detached as a

1468
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 2: receiver and then have Faraoh Brown be the second tight

1469
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 2: end to help block Crosby. That probably would have made

1470
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 2: a little bit more sense. I had Vanerian Lowe and

1471
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 2: Antonio Maffi on my list, but I think you're right

1472
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 2: to put it out mostly on the coaching and the

1473
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 2: personnel side of things. The one thing that's really disappointed

1474
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 2: me Valerian Lowe is just not an NFL tackle, Like

1475
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 2: he's just not ursin. He's not an NFL starting tackle.

1476
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 2: And I don't know for Adrian clam I'm not sure

1477
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 2: how you coach that up, Like how do you salvage

1478
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 2: a player that's just in way over his head?

1479
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: You try to figure out a way to coach around it.

1480
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 2: Correct and they haven't necessarily done a nice, good enough job.

1481
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe that's Bill O'Brien as well, But like, yeah,

1482
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: also the decision address Mike Onweno when he was he

1483
01:07:57,880 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: was not going to play in that game. Can you

1484
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: get another alignment on the roster? Where are not messed

1485
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks? Right? It's kind of crazy we've gotten

1486
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: at this point. But like Evan, where's James Ferrence? He

1487
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: don't know, he's kind of been like a steadying backup president.

1488
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: He was the only interior alignment to play last year

1489
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 1: other than Strange and on winnow he was the backup.

1490
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, James Ferrence is basically a coach at this point, right,

1491
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 2: Like he's literally comes to the road games and is

1492
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 2: on the sideline, and his coaching.

1493
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,719
Speaker 1: Which I mean coach, is probably in his future whenever

1494
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: he's done playing. His dad coaches, his brother coaches. But

1495
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: where they keep rolling out the same group that clearly

1496
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: doesn't have it. Yeah, I almost would say, like, where's

1497
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: Andrew Steubert. Yeah, I don't know that he'd be better. Well,

1498
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: I just had tackle, right, Yeah, I don't know that

1499
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 1: he'd be better. Could he be worse? And we'll see

1500
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: what I would. I'm expecting mcdermom to play this week.

1501
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: There's no he was here this summer, so there shouldn't

1502
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:54,719
Speaker 1: be a learning. Kurvey has the play but I whistled

1503
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: that sorry has the playbook. Should be good to go

1504
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: if he's healthy, which I would assume if he signed

1505
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: he's healthy, he should be. He is their best option

1506
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: at right tackle.

1507
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I also had Antonio Maffi on my list,

1508
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 2: but I think it's it's also more Adrian Klem. So

1509
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 2: it's really disappointing that they can't teach the kid how

1510
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 2: to pick up a stunt. Like, it's just wild to

1511
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 2: me that he looks serviceable and pretty much every other

1512
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 2: way I would say, I mean, like the one on

1513
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 2: one pass pro reps are hit or miss, but like

1514
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 2: he's a rookie and you kind of live with some

1515
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 2: of those and you don't leave him one on one

1516
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 2: a whole lot, and you can kind of coach around

1517
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 2: that and things like that. Run blocking like he does

1518
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 2: he get a huge push, No, but it's it's functional,

1519
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 2: like you can you can do it, especially when you

1520
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 2: get Trent Brown on a double team with him and

1521
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 2: Trent's helping him, like move it. And I have something

1522
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 2: to say about Trent real quick too. But Antonio Mafi

1523
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 2: not being able to pick up a stunt for a

1524
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 2: month straight and teams now you know in this game,

1525
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 2: the Raiders and every team, every team is just going

1526
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 2: to keep targeting him on the same thing, going to

1527
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,839
Speaker 2: keep running stunts over and over and over again, Adam,

1528
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 2: and if he can't pick it up, he can't pick

1529
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 2: it up. And at some point that points to coaching

1530
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 2: to me, like Adrian Klem, do your job, get him

1531
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 2: in the film room, do whatever you gotta do text

1532
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 2: you know he'll he'll be here this weekend. Like ask

1533
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 2: Dante Scarneki, like what did you do when you had

1534
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 2: guys that had issues picking up stunts? Like how do

1535
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 2: I get through to this kid on how to pick

1536
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 2: these up? Have him work with Farence, have him work

1537
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 2: with Dave Andrews, like just you gotta figure this out.

1538
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 2: You gotta figure it out. It's it's not it's sad.

1539
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 2: It's sad to watch him go out there and they

1540
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 2: run these stunts at him and he looks like a

1541
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 2: lost puppy, like it just has no idea where that

1542
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 2: it's coming in nowhere to block, and that he is

1543
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 2: a puppy, right he's a rookie, like this is not

1544
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 2: on him, like, coach him, figure it out. Those are

1545
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 2: my two other ones, my fourth one I had four, okay,

1546
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 2: my last one here Dante Parker.

1547
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1548
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: I didn't get to mention him yet, but he's on

1549
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: my list.

1550
01:10:55,320 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 2: H So, I don't know what was worse the third

1551
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 2: out and route in the first half, the drop or

1552
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 2: the post game. I don't know which was.

1553
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean the post games just man, he can't do that,

1554
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: and the full circle of it where same locker room

1555
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: last year. In part, so Parker is the guy they

1556
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: paid the offseason, the guy they didn't pay the soft season.

1557
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: Jakobe Myers makes a worse play that he wasn't entirely

1558
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: responsible for and takes all of the accountability for it.

1559
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a pretty telling contrast. And again,

1560
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 1: I don't know how you put that guy back out

1561
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: on the field with any regular basis after something like that.

1562
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that there is some truth, and

1563
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 2: I say this lightly, Yeah, there is some true to

1564
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 2: the fact that DeVante Parker has gotten open. Sometimes he

1565
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:51,839
Speaker 2: was open.

1566
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: On the open, he was open, he got behind the defense.

1567
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: He's Chris Chris Gasper told to him to a shit,

1568
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 1: what'd you say? I saw you get behind the defense

1569
01:11:58,920 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 1: and then what happened.

1570
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 2: Yes, so there's some truth to that that he has

1571
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 2: gotten open. I thought on the first third down of

1572
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 2: the game, he was open on the backside and Mac

1573
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 2: once again got locked on the Hunter Henry and didn't

1574
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 2: move off it. There's other instances in Dallas, like I

1575
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 2: think he was opened like three or four times in

1576
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 2: that game and he couldn't connect with Mac Jones. So

1577
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 2: I think that there was there are instances where Devonte

1578
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 2: Parker has been getting open. I think there's two things

1579
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 2: that I see with DeVonta ACiE this a little bit

1580
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 2: with Taekwon Thornton at times too. One if he doesn't

1581
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 2: think he's getting the ball, he doesn't run the route

1582
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 2: like he's just it's just a lazy route, Like he

1583
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 2: just doesn't run the route hard. He has oh, I

1584
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 2: think like competitive issues, like I don't think I don't

1585
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 2: look at him and watch him and be like that

1586
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 2: guy is going all out all the time, Like it

1587
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 2: just looks like he's going through the motion sometime. And

1588
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 2: I thought on that third down route in the first half,

1589
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 2: that was just lazy, like you know, you're what are

1590
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 2: you doing? Like what is that route?

1591
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 3: You know?

1592
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 2: Mac Jones, I think thinks that he's just gonna kind

1593
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 2: of sit it down and like hitch at the sticks

1594
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 2: and and then he in cuts and it's just like

1595
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 2: where are you going? What are you doing? What's your

1596
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 2: body language? Like all of it. And I thought Postgame

1597
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 2: was exactly reflective of that. The drop, Like I it

1598
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 2: was obviously in the spot like a horrible drop. I

1599
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 2: can see where he was coming from in terms of

1600
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 2: like the contact on the catch and things like that.

1601
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna sit here and say say that. Yeah,

1602
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 2: but I'm not gonna sit here and say that, you know,

1603
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 2: because of that one play, he's a bump, right, Like,

1604
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 2: That's not my point. But the total collective, the totality

1605
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 2: of it all is why I agree with the caller

1606
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 2: who just called it and said that he should be

1607
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 2: benching this game. I agree with that. I think that

1608
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 2: he should be benched. I think I don't They're not

1609
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 2: going to put Kishon Booty on the field, but which

1610
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 2: is frustrating, but Pop Douglas, Taekwon, Thorton, Kendrick Bourne, those

1611
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:51,679
Speaker 2: guys should be getting the majority of the rest.

1612
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 1: You still want to see more from Jalen Rager.

1613
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 2: No, Like, I'm kind of like, it wasn't that it

1614
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 2: was terrible from Jalen Rager. Wasn't enough of a sample

1615
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 2: size really be like one hundred percent judging on it.

1616
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 2: But I saw enough from Taekwon, and I got frustrated

1617
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 2: on Tuesday about when yeah, the third first third down,

1618
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 2: I thought Taekwons I sent it to you. I thought

1619
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 2: Taekwons rout was lazy, bad, But in general, I think

1620
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 2: that his speed when he runs hard, but he doesn't

1621
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 2: run hard all the time. And I think a bit

1622
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 2: it was kind of what you say.

1623
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: It's a thing or do you think that's a word

1624
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: about getting hurt thing.

1625
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 2: I think that he's one of those guys right now,

1626
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 2: and he's a young player, and he's trying to find

1627
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 2: his way in the league, and he's trying to make

1628
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 2: an imprint on the team. I think that if he

1629
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,759
Speaker 2: isn't in the progression and he's just there to clear

1630
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 2: out space, I don't see him running the four two

1631
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 2: eight on a clear out route. I see him running

1632
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 2: the four two eight when they try to take a

1633
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 2: shot to him down the field right like then, I

1634
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 2: see the four two eight, But when he's just clearing

1635
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 2: out the sideline for a dig or an incut or

1636
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 2: an outcut or something like that, and it's just there

1637
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 2: to clear it out, I don't see him running. I

1638
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 2: don't see that four two eight. I mean, I just

1639
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 2: they've bench guys for less so out. Yeah, all right,

1640
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 2: do we have any more any more downs here?

1641
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: Way, let's go back to the calls. Yeah, that's probably

1642
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 1: another one.

1643
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 2: But whatever I hope I'm saying this right is it

1644
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 2: ganesh Or in North Carolina. Awesome, I saw sure has

1645
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 2: got it right. What's up?

1646
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 8: Appreciate Yeah, thanks for taking a call. Yeah, I'm a

1647
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 8: unc album so it's exciting times on Saturday as a

1648
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 8: Carolina football fan. But more importantly, I'm looking at Drake

1649
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 8: Maying close and I think he would be a perfect

1650
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 8: fit for Patriots, especially with the offense that were we run.

1651
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 8: I think he's one of the elite past pocket passers

1652
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,640
Speaker 8: still out there. I think you mentioned that he's like

1653
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 8: a comp to Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, maybe Josh Allen's

1654
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 8: probably like a little two stretch much of a stretch.

1655
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 8: I don't think he's that big of a body yet,

1656
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 8: but yeah, I mean live the way they are and

1657
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 8: I think if Patriots are to be playing a couple

1658
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 8: of good to great defenses going down the stretch, and

1659
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 8: even if you're not panking, I think it'll still end

1660
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 8: up with a top three five picks. So in that sense,

1661
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 8: like what would you if you guys have the top

1662
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 8: let's say three or whatever, who do you guys want

1663
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 8: to take?

1664
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 2: And yeah, okay, yeah, thanks for the call, ganesh, I

1665
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 2: appreciate it, and yeah, I'm a Drake May guy. I'm

1666
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 2: a believer. I'm a I'm a May believer. I don't know,

1667
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 2: there's got to be some sort of play on words there,

1668
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 2: but I'll find eventually. I like Drake May. I think

1669
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 2: Alex you said, you know, well rounded skill set. I

1670
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 2: love the poise like and kind of just like the

1671
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 2: general makeup. He looks like one of those guys that

1672
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 2: that sort of gets it from that point of view.

1673
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 2: And I think the one thing that I have noticed

1674
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 2: with Mac and I think we all noticed this a

1675
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 2: little bit, is that he tends to ride the wave

1676
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 2: a little and get emotional at times, like when he's

1677
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 2: not playing well, and it kind of snowballs on him.

1678
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 2: Drake May seems like the type of guy that could

1679
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 2: throw three interceptions in the first half and then come

1680
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 2: back in the second half and score thirty points, right Like.

1681
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 2: I feel like he's got that sort of make up

1682
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 2: about him, and I think that that's what you kind

1683
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 2: of need in a quarter.

1684
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 1: But I would say, what are you basing that on?

1685
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 2: Just just vibes? Yeah, so.

1686
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 1: I And this is my big critique with Drake May,

1687
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 1: and it's not necessarily anything about his game. He's never

1688
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: really had a game like that, So we don't know.

1689
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: And part of the part of the reason is he's

1690
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: never we haven't seen him like tear up an elite

1691
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 1: defense yet. So I hate to go this route, but like,

1692
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: remember the thing with Trubisky was he was drafted purely

1693
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 1: on spec He had like one year starting UNC in

1694
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 1: a week's schedule, and it's just like this guy's tools,

1695
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: he with draft him whatever. Drake may is much more

1696
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: naturally talented than Mitchell Trubisky, But you look at the

1697
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 1: tough teams he's faced. He's struggled against Clemson, he struggled

1698
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: against South Carolina twice, and those are really the only

1699
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: like true top tier defenses he's gone against. Now he

1700
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 1: has Duke in a couple of weeks that due defense

1701
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 1: is really good. That's gonna tell us a lot. Hopefully

1702
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: UNC ends up in a bowl game against one of

1703
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: these good SEC teams, maybe they get Alabama or something

1704
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: like that. Maybe just maybe they sneak in the College

1705
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 1: Football Playoff they get Georgia, Like that will tell us

1706
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 1: a lot. Now, I'm not saying I wouldn't draft him.

1707
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 1: He's still my quarterback too, but he hasn't faced the

1708
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: kind of competition, somebody like Caleb Williams, like, I know

1709
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: you hate the PAC twelve. Pack twelve has been loaded

1710
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 1: this year. Somebody coming out of the PAC twelve right now,

1711
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: somebody coming out of the SEC. He hasn't faced that

1712
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:33,679
Speaker 1: kind of defense yet.

1713
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, it looks like against them.

1714
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 1: Let's see what it looks and and look that that

1715
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 1: can be taught to Like, his rookie year is gonna

1716
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,679
Speaker 1: be an adjustment and he's going to go through growing

1717
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 1: paintons as a rookie wherever he goes. Yeah, because he's

1718
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: just the ACC has been bad for a few years now.

1719
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:50,600
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I just like I think I think he

1720
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 1: can he get over it. I I it's worth the

1721
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: risk to me. He's he looks talented enough that yeah,

1722
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: I'll draft him and see if if he can figure

1723
01:18:58,520 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: it out.

1724
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 2: I just like the callers said, I I think that

1725
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 2: also he is at his core, I would say a

1726
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 2: pocket passer right like that. I think he that would

1727
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 2: be how you describe him. But he has a little

1728
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 2: bit first of all, he's just piece bigger.

1729
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: The Justin Herbert komp is a good one.

1730
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if he quite has Justin Herbert's arm talent.

1731
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:22,719
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert has a ridiculous arm. But I think that May,

1732
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 2: when you see it, you see definitely a guy that

1733
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 2: can work in the pocket, that can survive in the pocket,

1734
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 2: that can make throws from the pocket with accuracy and

1735
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 2: touch and timing and all those types of things. But

1736
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 2: he's got a lot more physical gifts than somebody like

1737
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 2: Mac Jones, right, Like he's got more mobility, he's got

1738
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 2: more arm talent, but he still has some of those

1739
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,640
Speaker 2: like natural quarterback traits. I think one thing that I

1740
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 2: worry about with the Patriots and the draft with quarterbacks

1741
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 2: is them over correcting and saying, all right, we drafted

1742
01:19:56,160 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 2: the intangible, the mental process there, the decision maker, the accuracy,

1743
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,879
Speaker 2: better way to put it, we drafted the floor quarterback

1744
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 2: last time, right, we drafted the safe guy last time.

1745
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 2: So this time we're gonna draft the tool z. So

1746
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 2: that's our athletic, you know, cyborg Josh Allen type prospect.

1747
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 2: I feel like the best thing about Drake May is

1748
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 2: that you're you're hitting it right down the middle of

1749
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 2: those two things, right, He's got enough of those like

1750
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 2: natural quarterback elements, and he has enough of the mobility

1751
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 2: and the arm talent, but he's not all one thing or.

1752
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 1: The He's yeah, he's definitely more ceiling than floor, but

1753
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: his ceiling's tremendous.

1754
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and his floor.

1755
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: The only questions are basically, and I don't want to

1756
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 1: say mental makeup, like he's been bad, like we he

1757
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: hasn't really been tested. Yeah, and maybe when he's tested,

1758
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 1: he looks good. And if that's the case, he he

1759
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: might seek into the one one conversation after the way

1760
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams played last week, and if he has another

1761
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: stinker against Utah, Yeah, I just you know, yeah, that's

1762
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 1: from ound with it. He's a high ceiling prospect, but

1763
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 1: his ceiling is hot. It's legitimately high. And to your point,

1764
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 1: like he's kind of the anti mac Jones. Yeah, mac

1765
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 1: Jones was tested a lot, but he had a ton

1766
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 1: of talent around him and he was cool, calm and collected.

1767
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 1: At that point, you were like, all right, we're gonna

1768
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 1: take him. Drake May hasn't really been tested, but he's

1769
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 1: done a lot with the situations he's been put into,

1770
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 1: and all right, let's see if there's anything behind that.

1771
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 1: And if it turns out the lights are too big

1772
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 1: for him. Oh well, but everything else is something you

1773
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: want to buy on.

1774
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 2: I you know, Pennix is growing on me. I know

1775
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 2: you like Pennix. I'm not I'm not totally there yet,

1776
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 2: but I gotta watch.

1777
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:33,600
Speaker 1: Penix is alment quarterback, but he's a different kind of

1778
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 1: floor quarterback than Mac Jones. I finally came up with

1779
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: a comp form there. I was struggling a lot. My

1780
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:41,719
Speaker 1: best comp form was like less mobile Russell Wilson. Okay,

1781
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: I came with the comp form last night. I really

1782
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: like Yeah, Lefty Philip Rivers.

1783
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 2: Oh there's I mean, he's a gun slazer Hall of

1784
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 2: Famer I think.

1785
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 1: Now. So you talk about like the cyborg Josh Allen, right,

1786
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: and that implies a certain level of mobility. Michael Penox

1787
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 1: is that without the mobility, he's just an old school gunsling.

1788
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 2: The problem that I see with Michael Penix, I don't know. Well,

1789
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 2: it's two things. One, he's like, what twenty three, he's

1790
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 2: gonna be twenty four when he and he had acls right,

1791
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 2: So he did.

1792
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 1: He tours his right ACL in twenty eighteen and twenty twenty,

1793
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 1: so it's been a while.

1794
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that concerns me a little bit, and that's a

1795
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 2: fair look. There's no work prospect. There's no old prospect

1796
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 2: with bad knees, bad knee, bad knee. Yeah, and the

1797
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 2: other thing that I think you know, And this is

1798
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 2: just anecdotal. So I have to watch him more closely.

1799
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 2: But I to see him like bombs away in these

1800
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 2: games and like that's not gonna work.

1801
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 1: So so that might be the games you've watched. He

1802
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,680
Speaker 1: can pick teams part a part when he needs to.

1803
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 1: I think the age is the concern for me. And

1804
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how high a ceiling is, and people

1805
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 1: are gonna run and scream and say, oh no, like

1806
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 1: it's Mac Jones again. His floor where he's at right

1807
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 1: now is much higher than Mac jones floor was, like

1808
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 1: if they were in the same draft. Oh and everybody

1809
01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: knows how high I was on Mac. I agree, I

1810
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 1: would have Pennix is. You could do a lot worse

1811
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 1: with a floor guy. Michael Pennix is a guy would

1812
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: take Trake many over him. But in terms of the

1813
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 1: first round picks in this draft, Michael Pennix is the

1814
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: third lock first round pick. For me, it's I would

1815
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 1: draft Michael Pennox feeling comfortable that he can come into

1816
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 1: the NFL in win games.

1817
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can feel that. I'm with you on that.

1818
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to Jeff is in Texas. What's up, Jeff?

1819
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:26,560
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, can you hear me?

1820
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, okay, yeah, Hey.

1821
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 4: I enjoy the show and the Unsilted Show and also

1822
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 4: Alex your podcast.

1823
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.

1824
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 4: Yeah. So my thoughts, my thoughts on Belichick is, you know,

1825
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 4: whenever that maybe Craft has already had some small conversation,

1826
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 4: but I don't think I doubt they've had like a

1827
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 4: really you know, end all conversation yet, but probably you know,

1828
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 4: towards the end of the year or at the end

1829
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 4: of the year when he has that conversation when he

1830
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:58,719
Speaker 4: sits down with with Belichick, whenever that happens. Again, obviously

1831
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 4: there's variables. We don't know how the season is gonna

1832
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 4: play out. But I mean, Belichick, the general manager, that's

1833
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 4: got to go. I mean, you know, he you know,

1834
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 4: he if he wants to stay and continue to coach.

1835
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 4: And then here's here's kind of my question. Kind of

1836
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 4: know that Kraft does like mac Jones, and so what

1837
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 4: if he says, okay, the Belichick, Hey, you know, your

1838
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 4: general manager. You know we're taking that away. We're going

1839
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 4: different roads the personnel decisions, but you know you can

1840
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 4: stay as the head coach. We're gonna keep mac Jones.

1841
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 4: We want you to try to work with him one

1842
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 4: more time. We also, you know we're gonna and we

1843
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:38,959
Speaker 4: have a high drive pick. We're bringing in a new quarterback.

1844
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 4: How do you think that would play out?

1845
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 3: Uh?

1846
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 4: Because you know Belichick apparently you know from everything we know,

1847
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 4: is not a big max man.

1848
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Jeff, and I I hear

1849
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 2: everything that he's saying. I have two reservations about Bell

1850
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 2: that set up giving Let's just say for argument's sake,

1851
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 2: they give the personnel to mac and they say, Bill

1852
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,679
Speaker 2: macro is making the final decisions on the fifty three

1853
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 2: man roster the free agency, Like it's all Macro is

1854
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 2: the final say now on personnel, and you're just gonna coach.

1855
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 2: The first concern that I have about that is that

1856
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 2: I don't know if it can if Bill can work

1857
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 2: with that, Like, I don't know if that's gonna be pill.

1858
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: Bill might just walk away at that.

1859
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. And secondly, my biggest concern is is Bill still

1860
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 2: a good coach? More concern than the dynamic of like

1861
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 2: mac Growe and Bill or whoever the guy is, Like

1862
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 2: when you're Jeff Robinson, Like it's Jeff Robinson, right, I

1863
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 2: think Titans, Yeah, yeah, yeah, whoever it is, John Robinson,

1864
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 2: John Robinson. I knew it was wrong, John Robinson, Like

1865
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 2: whoever the GM is that they hire. I'm less concerned

1866
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 2: about the dynamic because it's also kind of just like

1867
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 2: to me at least, it's like you're you're both adults,

1868
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 2: like grow up and this is what we're doing, right, Like,

1869
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 2: I just I don't have any time for like the

1870
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 2: whining of like I don't want to work with this guy,

1871
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 2: like we're adults. Like we all work with people we

1872
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 2: don't like. Like that's the bottom line.

1873
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 1: Me.

1874
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 2: I work with Parlo all the time. I don't know.

1875
01:25:58,800 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding.

1876
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: I was waiting for these I'm just kidding.

1877
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,640
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. But we all work with people we

1878
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 2: don't like our in life, right, like, so figure.

1879
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: It out what I love everybody.

1880
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 2: What I'm more concerned about is is Bill still a

1881
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 2: good enough coach to warrant that.

1882
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 1: No, it's a fair question. I'll just to the last

1883
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 1: point he said, because I've heard some people suggest this,

1884
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 1: you know, oh well, why don't they keep trying to

1885
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: work with Mac and take a quarterback high and you

1886
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: know that way they're covered either way. Maybe if you

1887
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 1: do that in the second or third round, a guy

1888
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 1: like kJ Jefferson something like that. You cannot take a

1889
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: quarterback in the first round and not have him be

1890
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 1: the guy the second you take a quarterback in the

1891
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 1: first round, Mac Jones becomes a lame duck. I that's

1892
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 1: just you can't blow that pick you're essentially talking about

1893
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 1: with the Niners did. Yeah, And it's different to me

1894
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: with Trey Lance, which was obviously a disaster. And it's

1895
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 1: different to me than like I heard I've heard, like

1896
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 1: the Alex Smith cop. No, it's not to say because

1897
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 1: Alex Smith was like fifteen years into Alex Alex Smith

1898
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: was gone. Yeah, Patrick Mahomes was drafted to replace Alex Smith.

1899
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: If you take a quarterback in the first round, you

1900
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 1: are not drafting to compete with Mac Jones. You're drafting

1901
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 1: him to replace Mac Jones. Second round. You want to

1902
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 1: do like that Jalen Hurts thing, you know, like they

1903
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,679
Speaker 1: did with Carson Wentz that worked out. Yeah, Okay, maybe

1904
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 1: I think it. Some of that depends on who you take. Yeah,

1905
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 1: but you can't take quarterback in the first round to

1906
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: head your bets.

1907
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 2: So last thing on Mac is a good call. Yeah,

1908
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 2: when it comes to Mac and Bill and Dove, don't

1909
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,679
Speaker 2: come for me for this. This is not a report. Okay,

1910
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:28,600
Speaker 2: this is my feeling about it.

1911
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Dove know your aboth at time.

1912
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 2: This is my feeling about it. I do not think

1913
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 2: that Mac Jones and Bill Belichick will both be here

1914
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. I don't think they'll both be

1915
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:43,720
Speaker 2: here in twenty twenty four. I think that relationship was

1916
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 2: almost almost severed at last year, Like I.

1917
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Speaker 1: Mean, there were reports they tried to trade him.

1918
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in the twenty twenty three offseason there

1919
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 2: was real there was a real chance that this was

1920
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 2: already going to be a divorce between the quarterback and

1921
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 2: the head coach. And I think we're trending in that

1922
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 2: direction again. If I was Robert Kraft, I would pick neither, right,

1923
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 2: Like I would not pick Mac's Bill Belichick right, I

1924
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 2: would not do that. I would not probably wouldn't pick

1925
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 2: Bill over Mack either, but I'd probably be more inclined

1926
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 2: to do that, Like I think Bill for all of

1927
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 2: his faults, like, at least Bill has a resume of

1928
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 2: winning in the league, right, So I would still side

1929
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 2: with him a little bit on that. But in general,

1930
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,759
Speaker 2: I think that regardless, there's going to be a change

1931
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 2: in terms of that relationship. I don't think they will

1932
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 2: both be here in twenty twenty four.

1933
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 1: But I'm also at the point, like you said, your

1934
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 1: adults your together, Yeah, figure out.

1935
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 2: I'm sort of there as well. But I actually think

1936
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 2: that long.

1937
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:45,480
Speaker 1: Term, I don't know if that's sustainable.

1938
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 2: But for this year, when I say that, I don't

1939
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 2: think that Mac will be here in twenty twenty four,

1940
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 2: Bill is here. I don't think that that's just because

1941
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 2: of Bill. I think that there's I think Mac is

1942
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 2: also fed up with the situation.

1943
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, there's logistical reasons. Yeah,

1944
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, his rookie contracts almost up. Do they want

1945
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 1: to get something for him before he walks? There's the

1946
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 1: clocks run out, Yeah, clocks run out?

1947
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,839
Speaker 2: Yeah? All right, William is in Philly? What's up? William?

1948
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 9: Heyah, how you doing good?

1949
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 3: All right? I have two takes.

1950
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 9: But first of all, it's very hard to get in

1951
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 9: contact with Yard Basically, you know, I don't know what's

1952
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 9: going the phones or whatnot, but I'm just glad I

1953
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 9: just got through. So I just got two takes and

1954
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 9: I'm out your way. To you, Alex, I just want

1955
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,839
Speaker 9: to say, you know, you came up with the greatest

1956
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 9: idea when you came up with the idea about Caleb Williams.

1957
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 9: If the Patriots had the first round pick and the

1958
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 9: Chicago Bears, would you know, come knocking basically, and the

1959
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 9: only way you would give up that first that first

1960
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 9: pick because they want Caleb Williams. If they give you

1961
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 9: the first two picks that they have, well you can

1962
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 9: get Drake May and Marvin Harrison Jr. I was with

1963
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 9: you all the way.

1964
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:55,639
Speaker 2: Thanks.

1965
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 1: I don't know how realistic that is, but it's a

1966
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 1: it's a thought, right, But I just.

1967
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 9: Want to say genius on that point. And my last

1968
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 9: take is this YouTube, gentlemen. I had said this before

1969
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:11,840
Speaker 9: Evan went on under Spirit, but you wasn't there if

1970
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:17,719
Speaker 9: they if mister Kraft needed to GM, I'm I can't

1971
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:22,759
Speaker 9: think of two other people then Alex Barton Bazaar. Okay,

1972
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 9: I think y'all do an outstanding job. I've been watching.

1973
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:27,640
Speaker 9: I've been just buying y'all for a minute since the

1974
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 9: YouTube thing. I mean, y'all do such an excellent job,

1975
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 9: and I just hope you know, mister Kraft can see

1976
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 9: that about y'all take care.

1977
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 2: Of thank you.

1978
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 1: I'll let Evan run it. I'll be like Ernie Adams

1979
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 1: behind the curtain. You don't have to tell anybody what

1980
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 1: I'll do. Like one day I'll be working on the draft.

1981
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 1: The next day I'll pick which days we're gonna wear

1982
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 1: the throwbacks things like that, like you can do all

1983
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 1: the day to day.

1984
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 2: Oh thanks, thanks, I just won't have a life and

1985
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 2: I'll just live here. That's that's what you're telling me.

1986
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 1: Right, I never said I wouldn't, So I'm just gonna

1987
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 1: work on the stuff that annoys you.

1988
01:30:56,240 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 2: That I would need somebody in that. Yeah, there we go. No. No,

1989
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing in terms of this team,

1990
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 2: though directionally, I think why people relate to how we

1991
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 2: feel about the team Alex, in terms of the personnel,

1992
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 2: is they have to they have to modernize this thing,

1993
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 2: like they have to. They have to have more of

1994
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 2: an offensive minded philosophy. It doesn't have to be all offense, right,

1995
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:24,640
Speaker 2: but it just you can't get by in today's NFL

1996
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:30,599
Speaker 2: putting together an offensive roster with cast offs from other teams,

1997
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:34,880
Speaker 2: dollar store free agents, signings, guys that you know, you're

1998
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 2: basically paying for past performance more than you're paying for

1999
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,759
Speaker 2: future performance. You can't get by with that kind of stuff.

2000
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,719
Speaker 2: In the veteran market especially, but also in the draft.

2001
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 2: You can't just hope. And this is what we were

2002
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 2: talking about this a little bit yesterday, you know about

2003
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 2: Gronk and Edelman. Yeah, and like how they they kind

2004
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 2: of lucked into that working out as well as it

2005
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 2: did a little bit. Yeah, and like you can't keep

2006
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 2: counting on demorrow. Rio Douglas is of the world and

2007
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 2: the Kaishan Booties of the world, and you know, Jacobe

2008
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 2: Myers is an undrafted rookie. Like those guys are have

2009
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 2: a place on your team, and they have a place

2010
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 2: on this team that is not a bad place to be,

2011
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 2: but they can't be your number one options and you

2012
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 2: can't count on it, you know what I mean, Like

2013
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 2: you can't count that the Mario Douglas is going to

2014
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 2: develop into a Pro Bowl receiver. You have to go

2015
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:27,320
Speaker 2: you have to be more aggressive with the way that

2016
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 2: you approach team building on offense and just with the offenses.

2017
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:32,720
Speaker 1: That doesn't even mean be the Miami Dolphins and go

2018
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 1: out and get all the fastest players like they have.

2019
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 1: They haven't addressed the tackle position in years. Yeah, that's

2020
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 1: not a speed thing. It's just it's it's asset management.

2021
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 3: Yep.

2022
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:42,320
Speaker 2: All right, last call here from Salain, Connecticut. What's up,

2023
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 2: sou Hey, guys?

2024
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:47,479
Speaker 6: Are you good listening? Firstly, I enjoy your show quite

2025
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 6: a bit. Just another another point of view. I've been

2026
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 6: a season ticket holder for some thirty three years or so,

2027
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 6: so I've seen a lot of garbage. And I have

2028
01:32:56,520 --> 01:33:00,480
Speaker 6: been a fan in seventy two. I'm sixty two years old.

2029
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 6: Why do I think that if this offensive line for

2030
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:09,799
Speaker 6: the Patriots was the Eagles offensive line or or another

2031
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 6: solid offensive line, that we would have a completely different

2032
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 6: take on how Mac looks or how he developed. I

2033
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:23,600
Speaker 6: don't know whether or not it's it's based if the

2034
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 6: failure of the line is based on Clem or it's

2035
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 6: based on on Bill's selecting of players.

2036
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 3: I like that.

2037
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 6: I'm interested to hear your thoughts on that. And one

2038
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 6: other point. If Bill is going to stay and and

2039
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 6: and Bob's going to keep him. Bob Craft is going

2040
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:40,640
Speaker 6: to keep him. I would suggest that I would like

2041
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 6: to see some announcement that he's staying now, so that

2042
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 6: any players that think they want to check out might

2043
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 6: realize that they're going to be dealing with the same

2044
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 6: coach next year and that he's not a lame duck.

2045
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. And that's thanks for

2046
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 2: the calls out, appreciate it. Yeah, that's that's a good.

2047
01:33:57,840 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 1: That's something that could happen behind the scenes.

2048
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not like a public statement. Yeah, you're not

2049
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 2: gonna publicly put your support behind the coach. Because even

2050
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:07,719
Speaker 2: if you say that and the players buy in again

2051
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, if you finish the

2052
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 2: year three and fourteen, you still have to give your

2053
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 2: you keep your options open.

2054
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 1: You can and you know what, let the players who

2055
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:17,720
Speaker 1: would quit quit. Yeah, and then you know, then you

2056
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:18,680
Speaker 1: know what guys are made of.

2057
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. To his other points, would do I think that

2058
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 2: the we talked about this a little bit, aux, because

2059
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 2: I know it's been a little bit of a popular

2060
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 2: topic the last couple of days for whatever reason. Mac

2061
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 2: versus Tua, right, and like it is to a product

2062
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 2: of his environment, and would Mac look better like in

2063
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:40,679
Speaker 2: Miami's offense and like, so my answer to all that is, yeah,

2064
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 2: of course he would look better in Miami's offense, and

2065
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:46,759
Speaker 2: he looks here. Miami has its own offensive line issues,

2066
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:49,160
Speaker 2: by the way, but he would look better in Miami,

2067
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. And he would look better if

2068
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 2: they had a better offensive line here or better weapons,

2069
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 2: one or the other. Like, you have to have good weapons.

2070
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 2: Great offense have both for the most well, that Miami doesn't.

2071
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 2: So I didn't even say that. I think that you.

2072
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:04,759
Speaker 1: Absolutely straight They scheme around it.

2073
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 2: So you absolutely in terms of personnel, though, take the

2074
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 2: quarterback out of it for a second. Yeah, I think

2075
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:14,120
Speaker 2: you absolutely need to have good weapons or good offensive

2076
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,679
Speaker 2: line play. Yes, if you have one of those things,

2077
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 2: then you're gonna be a good offense. To be a

2078
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 2: great offense, you need multiple right in Miami right now

2079
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 2: has great scheme, great receivers, great quarterback. Right, So they're

2080
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 2: just that's why they're the number one offense in the NFL.

2081
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 2: But in terms of Mac, I, would it have looked better, yes,

2082
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 2: Will it look better? Could it look better? Yes? I

2083
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:40,679
Speaker 2: think The bottom line is though that it's too late,

2084
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:44,480
Speaker 2: like it's too late, it's too late to have that conversation.

2085
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 1: That's what this year was, right. We spent all off

2086
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 1: season talking about this is the make or break year

2087
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:52,840
Speaker 1: for Mac Jones. Yeah, you got to put around him

2088
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:54,720
Speaker 1: what you think the group around him is going to

2089
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 1: look like, so you can evaluate him. If this is

2090
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 1: the group, the kind of group they plan on putting

2091
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:00,720
Speaker 1: around him from the future, He's not the guy. I

2092
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 1: don't know that there is a guy. If this is

2093
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:03,400
Speaker 1: kind of the kind of group they plans to have

2094
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 1: for the future. But he does need some talent around him.

2095
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 1: He's not Tom Brady. That has been established. That is

2096
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 1: your hot take, Evan. I don't mean to steal that

2097
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 1: from you. He's not Patrick Mahomes another classic Evan take.

2098
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 2: Yep, but at the best quarterback in the league. Correct,

2099
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 2: that's that. I agree.

2100
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 1: It's a bold take from you. Okay, but but but

2101
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 1: but this is it. No, no, no, I know what you're

2102
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:22,760
Speaker 1: trying to say, But like, this is if this is

2103
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:24,719
Speaker 1: the group you want to put around Mac Jones, which

2104
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 1: this was the year to kind of put it all together,

2105
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 1: If this is the group you're putting around him, then

2106
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 1: you need to find a new guy because he's not

2107
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:31,680
Speaker 1: it for this.

2108
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also just think it's it's challenging to

2109
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:38,680
Speaker 2: now at this point, assuming that this continues to go

2110
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 2: down this season the way it's gone down two years

2111
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 2: of this, Yeah, him looking broken and then putting him

2112
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:46,959
Speaker 2: back together in your four.

2113
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 1: And not just that, it's not just putting back together.

2114
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 1: You have to commit to him long term, starting this

2115
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 1: offseason with the fifth year option, and then he actually

2116
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 1: have to give him a contract. So the look, if

2117
01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 1: it was like year one and this was going on,

2118
01:36:57,960 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 1: you could say, yeah, you know, give it another shot.

2119
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:03,240
Speaker 1: And that's what we did, as we did last year. Yeah,

2120
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:05,799
Speaker 1: the windows closed. The windows closed on the rookie contract.

2121
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:06,760
Speaker 1: They're back to square one.

2122
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 2: Okay, So before we wrap here, and I know we

2123
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 2: were supposed to wrap already, but that's not that's not

2124
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 2: how we do it.

2125
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 1: That's not how time does not exist on this show.

2126
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:17,400
Speaker 1: We got to we have some old school Andy Reid

2127
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 1: clock management on this show.

2128
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 2: It's so true. I try so hard to keep us

2129
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 2: on the schedule and it never works.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we're gonna do segments. We're gonna do playing segments,

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01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:26,680
Speaker 1: and the show is going to have a lot more

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01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 1: flows than we're gonna end out.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit of Buffalo. I think it's

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01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:33,640
Speaker 2: First of all, I just want to say that for me,

2135
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 2: as somebody that loves to talk about matchups and x's

2136
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 2: and o's and things like that, the fact that we're

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01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 2: an hour and forty two minutes into the show and

2138
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 2: we haven't even talked about who they're playing on Sunday

2139
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 2: yet is depressing. It's depressing that we can't even like that's.

2140
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 1: Especial because you got a little man crush on josh An.

2141
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about it. That doesn't even matter, right,

2142
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 2: it doesn't even matter. But with that being said, let's

2143
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:58,759
Speaker 2: talk about let's do some key matchups to discuss this matchup.

2144
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 2: I think the one thing if you're if you're a

2145
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 2: Patriots fan and you are asking me Evan Alex, why

2146
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 2: watch this game on Sunday? Like why bother? Why watch

2147
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:09,439
Speaker 2: this game?

2148
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm gonna hate this answer. I know what you're

2149
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 1: gonna say.

2150
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:13,400
Speaker 2: What am I gonna say because you get to watch

2151
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 2: josh No, I'm not gonna say that. Left I might

2152
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 2: have said that just to get under your skin.

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01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:19,599
Speaker 3: Uh.

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01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:23,719
Speaker 2: The one thing that I will say is as talented

2155
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 2: as the Bills are, and they are. They are much

2156
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 2: better than you on paper, Like it's not close as

2157
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 2: talented as they are. The Bills have not really played

2158
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 2: great football lately. They almost lost to the Giants on

2159
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:39,840
Speaker 2: the Giants. They lost in London to Jacksonville, who's been

2160
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 2: up and down themselves, and uh, they lost to Zach Wilson.

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01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 2: They lost to Zach Wilson in Week one, so they

2162
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 2: haven't been playing great football. I was on the podcast

2163
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:50,720
Speaker 2: with the Cover one folks who do a great job

2164
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 2: covering the Bills. I was on a podcast with them

2165
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 2: last night and uh, we were talking off the top

2166
01:38:55,920 --> 01:39:02,000
Speaker 2: about handling expectations, like when your team is like expected

2167
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 2: to win the super Bowl and the favorite to win.

2168
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 2: They were the betting favorite coming into the season. I

2169
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:10,719
Speaker 2: think Buffalo to win the super Bowl. When you're that's

2170
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:14,640
Speaker 2: the bar is super Bowl, how do you handle Some

2171
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 2: of the advertis have no idea, right, So I was

2172
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 2: trying to help them through it. And I think the

2173
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:23,880
Speaker 2: biggest thing that so in Buffalo right now, they want

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01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 2: to fire Ken Dorsey. They are out on the offensive coordinator,

2175
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator that has the team third in the

2176
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:33,760
Speaker 2: league in points per game, Right, they're out because it's

2177
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 2: us with Josh McDaniels all those Yes, because they have

2178
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:39,639
Speaker 2: some peaks and valleys they do. They're a boomer bust offense,

2179
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 2: which is your whole thing again against Josh Allen. Right,

2180
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 2: they are either scoring forty or they're scoring fourteen, and

2181
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 2: there's like no in between with this offense right now,

2182
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 2: And if you're a Patriots fan, it has not happened

2183
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:53,320
Speaker 2: against the Patriots in four years. So I'm not trying

2184
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 2: to tell you it's going to happen on Sunday. But

2185
01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:57,240
Speaker 2: if you want to have a sliver of hope the

2186
01:39:57,240 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 2: Patriots can actually be in this game, is that a

2187
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:05,080
Speaker 2: you can catch Buffalo on one of those fourteen point games,

2188
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:08,680
Speaker 2: then they have been vulnerable this season a little bit.

2189
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,640
Speaker 1: But it's not gonna happen because McDermott and Allen just

2190
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:15,240
Speaker 1: have some thing about Belichick that they play these games differently. Look,

2191
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:17,759
Speaker 1: I hate Celtics fans do this a lot. Yeah, where

2192
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:20,519
Speaker 1: some player will go off against the Celtics in the

2193
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:22,360
Speaker 1: bit No, of course he has a career game against

2194
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 1: the Celtics when like the Celtics defense was just bad. Yeah, Like,

2195
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 1: why do all these guys have career games against Celtics

2196
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 1: on the defense?

2197
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:27,759
Speaker 2: Bad?

2198
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:31,679
Speaker 1: Josh Allen plays differently against the Patriots than he plays

2199
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:33,880
Speaker 1: against everybody else. The book on Josh Allen, all these

2200
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 1: teams do it is you sit back, you take away

2201
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:39,559
Speaker 1: the big play, you take away Stefon Diggs, and you

2202
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:41,559
Speaker 1: force him to check the ball down throughout the game

2203
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 1: because eventually he will get frustrated and he will start

2204
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 1: being reckless and turning the ball over. This is not

2205
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:50,320
Speaker 1: a hot take. This is backed up by facts. He

2206
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:53,799
Speaker 1: has sixty turnovers in fifty five games since twenty twenty.

2207
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:55,840
Speaker 1: No other quarterback is within five of him.

2208
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:57,759
Speaker 2: I guess how many of those sixty turnovers are against

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Speaker 2: the Patriots.

2210
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:04,440
Speaker 1: Three. It's three for whatever reason, For whatever reason, when

2211
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 1: he faces the Patriots, he can go the whole game

2212
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:10,880
Speaker 1: and just doupe down the field and he does not

2213
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:14,439
Speaker 1: feel the need unless it's wide open, right, Stefan Diggs

2214
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 1: against JAYC. Jackson. Unless it's wide open, he does not

2215
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 1: take the bait.

2216
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:19,360
Speaker 2: Again.

2217
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:21,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because Bill dominated him so

2218
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 1: much early in his career. Sean McDermot again has this

2219
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:26,559
Speaker 1: weird thing about Bill. Remember after the win game, he

2220
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:28,880
Speaker 1: was like, don't give Bill Belichick too much credit. Whatever

2221
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:31,639
Speaker 1: that thing is. I'd love to know. They go into

2222
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 1: this game and they're like, they play the way. If

2223
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 1: the Bill's played the way against the Patriots, they play

2224
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 1: against all the other teams, they would win the Super Bowl. Yeah,

2225
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 1: and they clearly have it within themselves to do it,

2226
01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 1: and they just decide not to do it.

2227
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:47,880
Speaker 2: It's the weirdest thing. Yeah, So this is what they do.

2228
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:49,960
Speaker 2: Some of the things that I think have come up

2229
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:52,599
Speaker 2: with the Bill's offense. One is, obviously Allen has six

2230
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:54,720
Speaker 2: picks and is prone to turn the ball over a

2231
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:57,600
Speaker 2: little bit. The other thing is is that you know,

2232
01:41:57,640 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 2: Ken Dorsey has come out of under a lot of fight.

2233
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:05,720
Speaker 2: Is that they they have the under center, traditional more

2234
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:09,040
Speaker 2: traditional offense in their back pocket, but they don't go

2235
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:11,719
Speaker 2: to it very often. And like I feel like they

2236
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:15,519
Speaker 2: they're very Allen and Digg's hero ball centric, which is

2237
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:16,400
Speaker 2: not sustainable.

2238
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:16,680
Speaker 3: Right.

2239
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:22,080
Speaker 2: So that's why they're they are inconsistent, is because their offense,

2240
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 2: when it comes down to it, is so reliant on

2241
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:29,320
Speaker 2: Josh Allen just effing around out there and figuring out

2242
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 2: something and finding Stefan Diggs like eight seconds into the

2243
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 2: play and making something crazy happen that eventually there's turnovers,

2244
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:39,840
Speaker 2: there's inconsistencies, there's issues.

2245
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:41,479
Speaker 1: It's hurt. He's got the bad shoulder now.

2246
01:42:42,479 --> 01:42:44,519
Speaker 2: So there's just a lot of stuff that they're they're

2247
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:48,519
Speaker 2: trying to find the key word of consistency, like they're

2248
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:52,559
Speaker 2: trying to find a way to be do they just

2249
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 2: not care and like what it is? Well, I think

2250
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:56,840
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of bold because on the one hand,

2251
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 2: I don't think they have any interest in being consistent,

2252
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:01,040
Speaker 2: so they can't. You can't full real in Josh Allen

2253
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:02,520
Speaker 2: because then you take away his superpower.

2254
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 1: Right, Well, they've they've tried to do that, and they

2255
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:06,360
Speaker 1: did that at the end of last year and they

2256
01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:06,679
Speaker 1: were bad.

2257
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:09,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't do it because that's that's how he plays, like, that's.

2258
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:11,000
Speaker 1: When he plays that way, he gets hurt.

2259
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you, but that But his superpower is

2260
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:17,200
Speaker 2: I call him Captain Chaos. Like his superpower is that

2261
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 2: he on extended broken down plays is the best quarterback

2262
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:24,400
Speaker 2: I think I've ever seen at extending the play. He

2263
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:26,640
Speaker 2: you can't get him down, like you can't get the

2264
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 2: guy on the ground. He just runs around, He stiff

2265
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:33,880
Speaker 2: arms guys, he throws guys off of him, He jukes guys,

2266
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 2: and then he's gonna make this you know, off one

2267
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 2: foot off platform, you know, throw into a tight window

2268
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:43,799
Speaker 2: and somehow he it works like it's like that touchdown

2269
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:44,559
Speaker 2: pass he through.

2270
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 1: All the times it doesn't. But we're not allowed to talk.

2271
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:48,599
Speaker 2: About, well we did. We don't talk about them because

2272
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 2: the don't happen against the Patriots, Like fro how he

2273
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:52,760
Speaker 2: figures out how to do it against the Patriots all

2274
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,920
Speaker 2: the time. So I would I what do you do

2275
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:58,559
Speaker 2: against a guy like that that just thrives in chaos.

2276
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:01,360
Speaker 2: The one thing that I've seen, you know, I watched

2277
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:04,240
Speaker 2: a lot of the Jets because the Jets seem to

2278
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:06,800
Speaker 2: have his number. The Jets have figured it out. So

2279
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:11,679
Speaker 2: the Jets what they do is they disguise the crap

2280
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:13,519
Speaker 2: out of the back end. They never tell him what

2281
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 2: they're in pre snap, and they basically the way I

2282
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:20,439
Speaker 2: look at it is they fight chaos with chaos, like

2283
01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 2: you want to play chaotic and be all over the place.

2284
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:25,760
Speaker 2: Then we're gonna do the same exact thing. We're never

2285
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:28,120
Speaker 2: gonna We're not gonna sit in the in the same defense.

2286
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:30,880
Speaker 2: We're not gonna show you the picture pre snap, and

2287
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 2: we're gonna basically like they almost played like a back

2288
01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:38,879
Speaker 2: and a miba where guys were just like popping around

2289
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 2: all the time, right. We see that with the front right,

2290
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 2: where guys are just all hovering around the line of

2291
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 2: scrimmage and don't know who is coming and who's dropping.

2292
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:48,720
Speaker 2: The Jets do that, but with their secondary and it's

2293
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:51,280
Speaker 2: not the corners like I'm talking about the safeties, and

2294
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 2: like they're just all over right, yeah, And and he

2295
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:57,320
Speaker 2: doesn't get a good read of it, and they they

2296
01:44:57,439 --> 01:45:00,320
Speaker 2: bait him into mistakes and he and he some times

2297
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:02,920
Speaker 2: will walk into the trap and he did week one

2298
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:06,320
Speaker 2: with three three interceptions in Week one. So I think

2299
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:08,720
Speaker 2: that you have to do that. You have to get

2300
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:11,880
Speaker 2: pressure and just live with it, like you have to

2301
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 2: be able to thrive in chaos, just like he does.

2302
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:18,759
Speaker 2: And I think with the Patriots one of its partially

2303
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 2: been a talent issue. I think over the last couple

2304
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 2: of years that they don't have the talented guys to be,

2305
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:27,519
Speaker 2: you know, down for four or five seconds at a

2306
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:30,240
Speaker 2: time against the player like Josh Allen. But I would

2307
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:33,000
Speaker 2: also say that some of it is that their system

2308
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:37,800
Speaker 2: is so predicated on like discipline and rules and integrity

2309
01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 2: and like structure, and he breaks that, like he breaks

2310
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:42,360
Speaker 2: the week.

2311
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:44,719
Speaker 1: Go back to the play last year. Forced him the sideline,

2312
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 1: that's the rule. But you got to play to the whistle. Yeah,

2313
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:49,360
Speaker 1: a couple other things I would say on Josh Allen again.

2314
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:52,519
Speaker 1: Play to the whistle, yeah, and not just tagling. Catch

2315
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:53,600
Speaker 1: the ball when he throws it to you.

2316
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2317
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:54,560
Speaker 9: The J. C.

2318
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 1: Jackson won in twenty one and Kyle Duggron twenty two,

2319
01:45:56,920 --> 01:46:01,920
Speaker 1: they had nearly game changing interceptions they dropped. It almost

2320
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 1: works at times the way they spend the dial on them.

2321
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2322
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:06,800
Speaker 1: The other one. And this goes counter to everything we've said,

2323
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:08,720
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna bring it up and I want to

2324
01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:10,479
Speaker 1: actually pull this up here. I know we're up against it,

2325
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:12,559
Speaker 1: but here's the time when I give you some numbers, Evan.

2326
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 1: Outside of the outside of the playoff game, which was

2327
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:20,519
Speaker 1: just a blow up, Yeah, all the games since twenty

2328
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:25,920
Speaker 1: twenty have had a very similar theme, and that is

2329
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:30,599
Speaker 1: the Bills have a slight lead at halftime, they go

2330
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:32,760
Speaker 1: into the third quarter, and at some point in the

2331
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:37,160
Speaker 1: second half they have some monstrous drive that just and

2332
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:38,600
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of these games have been like

2333
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:41,879
Speaker 1: closer on the scoreboard than they seem. Yeah, twenty twenty

2334
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,559
Speaker 1: week eate, the Bills had a nine to ten play

2335
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:46,880
Speaker 1: drive in the second half. First one gave them a

2336
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 1: one touchdown lead, and then the second one made it

2337
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:52,920
Speaker 1: a two score game, so that that kind of blew

2338
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 1: it up. Twenty twenty, they had a ten play drive

2339
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:57,719
Speaker 1: that the second game, ten play drive that took eight

2340
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:00,400
Speaker 1: minutes off the clock. That basically ice thea took a

2341
01:47:00,439 --> 01:47:02,360
Speaker 1: two score game in a three score game. They had

2342
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 1: two in the first game in twenty sixteen, two five

2343
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:09,840
Speaker 1: minute drives, fourteen plays and thirteen drives, a fifteen play

2344
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:11,639
Speaker 1: drive in the first game last year, and a seven

2345
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:15,200
Speaker 1: play drive in the second game. The best way to

2346
01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:18,160
Speaker 1: prevent them from doing that is to start strong andnot

2347
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:20,519
Speaker 1: give them a lead. But that is we talked about

2348
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 1: that that gonna happen. I preach patients with Josh Allen

2349
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:25,559
Speaker 1: all the time. I say, that's what you have to do.

2350
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:27,439
Speaker 1: Just don't give them the big play. Forceman check his

2351
01:47:27,479 --> 01:47:29,559
Speaker 1: way down the field. If you get to the second

2352
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:32,200
Speaker 1: half and it's like a one score game, maybe a

2353
01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:35,760
Speaker 1: ten point game. Yeah, throw that out and get aggressive

2354
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:38,720
Speaker 1: and go after him, because they will take that eight

2355
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 1: minute drive and they will run the thing down. And

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01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:45,000
Speaker 1: suddenly a ten point game with like five minutes to

2357
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:48,639
Speaker 1: go in the third quarter becomes a seventeen point game

2358
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:50,680
Speaker 1: with eight minutes to go in the fourth quarter, and

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01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:51,880
Speaker 1: it's completely different.

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Speaker 2: Right, So I actually this is one of those games,

2361
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:56,920
Speaker 2: and I am on to move over to the offense

2362
01:47:57,080 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 2: quickly because they're running out of time. This is one

2363
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 2: of those games, games that I actually agree with. One

2364
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:04,400
Speaker 2: of the something that you talk about a lot, and

2365
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:07,320
Speaker 2: that is you got to shorten the game. You gotta

2366
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:11,080
Speaker 2: So the Giants held them to nine drives. The Bills

2367
01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:14,800
Speaker 2: had nine drives against the Giants. They only averaged three

2368
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:17,360
Speaker 2: point nine to carry, but they committed to the run game.

2369
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:20,400
Speaker 2: Barkley had a few big runs in the second half.

2370
01:48:20,439 --> 01:48:22,559
Speaker 2: On one drive, one of their scoring drives, he got

2371
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:24,639
Speaker 2: them down the field. He had a thirty four yarder,

2372
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:27,519
Speaker 2: nineteen yarder, right, and that they were able to run

2373
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:30,240
Speaker 2: the ball. The one thing about this Bills team right now,

2374
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:33,760
Speaker 2: we talked about the volatility of the offense. There's a

2375
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:36,960
Speaker 2: world where the Patriots get boat raced by the talent

2376
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:40,519
Speaker 2: with Buffalo like Dallas, like a Dallas type game right

2377
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:43,400
Speaker 2: where they just are so much more talented than you

2378
01:48:43,439 --> 01:48:45,160
Speaker 2: than you get boat race. But the one thing that

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01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:47,840
Speaker 2: you can do against the Bills, and I say that

2380
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:50,760
Speaker 2: because if you're that far behind, then the running game

2381
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:55,080
Speaker 2: really is not gonna matter. But they do not no

2382
01:48:55,160 --> 01:49:00,000
Speaker 2: longer have the Matt Mulano Tremaine Edmunds combination at linebackers.

2383
01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:03,240
Speaker 2: Tremaine Edmonds left for the Bears and free agency, and

2384
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:07,280
Speaker 2: Matt Milano's out for the year. He's injured. So their

2385
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:11,120
Speaker 2: new tandem is Terrell Bernard, who I remember from Baylors

2386
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:14,880
Speaker 2: a third round draft pick, and they've been cycling through

2387
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 2: a couple different guys at that second linebacker spot. But essentially,

2388
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:20,800
Speaker 2: what I'm saying in a long way is that Matt

2389
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 2: Milano and Tremade Edmonds are not walking through the door

2390
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:26,320
Speaker 2: for Buffalo's defense right now. So you can run on

2391
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 2: this Buffalo defense. Their pass rush is fifth in the

2392
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:32,639
Speaker 2: league in pressure rate, they're first in the league in sacks.

2393
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:35,559
Speaker 2: They have a legitimate pass rush. And what worries about

2394
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:37,559
Speaker 2: me about this game in terms of getting out of

2395
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:39,880
Speaker 2: hand for the Patriots is that it's gonna look a

2396
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 2: lot like Dallas and New Orleans, where the pressure is

2397
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:45,400
Speaker 2: just relentless and mac Jones turns the ball over a bunch, right, Like,

2398
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:47,920
Speaker 2: that's what I am concerned about it and it turns

2399
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:50,439
Speaker 2: to getting the score getting out of hand. But you

2400
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:54,120
Speaker 2: can run at this Bill's defense, and those linebackers are smaller,

2401
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:58,760
Speaker 2: they're inexperienced. Bernard's had like a decent season for a

2402
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 2: second year guy, but he's not Matt Milano. And that

2403
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:06,439
Speaker 2: they have some injuries on that side of that play. Yeah,

2404
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 2: the Kwan Jones is out, Trey White is out, and

2405
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:12,640
Speaker 2: those two linebackers are no longer there. So you can

2406
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:16,120
Speaker 2: run on this defense a little. You can control the

2407
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:19,679
Speaker 2: game in that sense a little bit, and maybe you can,

2408
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:22,080
Speaker 2: you know, get them to back off a little bit

2409
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:25,120
Speaker 2: on the outside and throw some of the quick game stuff.

2410
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:27,800
Speaker 2: If you can run the ball. I think that there's

2411
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:30,799
Speaker 2: a formula that exists for the Patriots to be competitive

2412
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 2: in this game. The two things that I worry the

2413
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:36,519
Speaker 2: most about are obviously Digs and Allen, which everybody worries about.

2414
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:39,439
Speaker 1: Let's Jake, has j C. Jackson picked up anything that

2415
01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:41,080
Speaker 1: it will be different against Stefan, Yeah.

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01:50:41,080 --> 01:50:41,280
Speaker 3: Time.

2417
01:50:41,320 --> 01:50:43,880
Speaker 2: And the other thing I worry about is Buffalo's pass

2418
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 2: rush just eating that offensive line a lot. Yeah, And

2419
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:49,679
Speaker 2: if that happens, then you might be looking at a blowout. Yeah.

2420
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:52,080
Speaker 2: And that's kind of where we're at with the Bills.

2421
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:55,759
Speaker 2: So I'm sorry kind of that we only spend fifteen

2422
01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:57,920
Speaker 2: minutes or so on the bills. I know that that's not

2423
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 2: our usual MO, but we we had to talk about

2424
01:51:02,040 --> 01:51:05,000
Speaker 2: the other things, bigger picture here right a little bit,

2425
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:10,439
Speaker 2: and apparently Lincoln Riley. So we'll be back next week,

2426
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:14,639
Speaker 2: same time, same place, breaking down a trip to Miami,

2427
01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:18,400
Speaker 2: which doesn't feel so hot Miami. I don't think that

2428
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:21,080
Speaker 2: that's a great spot for the Patriots, but we'll see

2429
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:23,840
Speaker 2: what happens. Hopefully we're not talking about one in six

2430
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:26,000
Speaker 2: and one and seven football team here in a couple weeks,

2431
01:51:26,040 --> 01:51:29,200
Speaker 2: but until then, signing off for Alex Barth, I'm Evan Lazar.

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01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:31,599
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