WEBVTT - Friday Round Table CTJ: The Lighthouse 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:03.640 Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:33.480 Hey everybody, Welcome to Movie Crush Special Crush to Judgment Roundtable, 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:39.320 Friday Edition. I have Casey to my right, Hello, that's sorry. Yeah, 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.560 miss my cue be God damn professional paulled to my left, 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.320 and at the distant end of this rectangular table, I 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.559 have Mr Nol trying to reach out and touch each other. 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:52.199 Don't touch me too far, don't do it too far. Um. 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:53.720 I did a funny thing a minute ago. I was 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.400 in the kitchen to get a refreshing beverage, and our 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:59.480 lovely office manager was restocking the fridge to the left 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:01.320 and the door was open, and the fridge to the 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:02.920 right the door was closed. But I was looking at 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.000 the left fridge and reached into the right fridge thinking 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.080 that door was open, and it was closed, and my 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:11.840 hand smashed into the glass like a bird hitting a windshield. Yeah, 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:16.120 that all happened, just now, just now. I'm okay. It 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.920 was a weedy little grab, wasn't It wasn't that resolution. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:24.440 I know you're grab. It's not a firm grab. So 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.000 before we get going on the lighthouse, I want to 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:33.679 chat briefly about your movie. Are you. Okay, no, we 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:38.760 weedy little sneeze. I want to talk about Paul's movie. 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.760 Paul made a movie everyone that we believe we mentioned briefly, 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:45.880 but it is actually out now on Amazon Prime. It 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:47.960 is called Annie in the City. That is a N 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:51.920 N E Y in the c I T T E Y. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.160 Just kidding, uh, And let's chat about it because Casey, 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.520 you shot the movie, you were the cinematographer of record, 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.320 that it's correct, and you wrote and directed it. Yeah. 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:05.040 I I co wrote it with Annie Reese, who's also 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:10.360 the star of the movie. Titular Annie. Yeah, who you 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.040 know from the Slasher round tables. And I'm going to 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.640 record into the Spider Verse with Annie right after this. 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.960 And a little meta trivia here. The movie contains a 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:24.600 movie that I made many years ago. Like within the movie, 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.320 it's a fact to TV. Yeah, in fact, I don't know. 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:29.920 I'm always corrected when I used to Yeah, you know 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:33.600 what you tell those people go to hell because factoid 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:35.160 you can certainly use it that way. I think you 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.359 can do it. I think if it is a fact 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.880 a little nugget, you know, people say technically affect oid. Yeah, 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:44.000 just punch them in the base with you next time. 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:50.600 Ben Bolan corrects me. Oh god, so mad at him. So, uh, 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.840 I want to know how you got the movie on 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:57.600 Amazon Prime. How does that work? How do you get distribution? Uh? So, 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.600 I don't know if it it technically counts as district ribution, Okay, 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.559 but it is. I mean it counts, it counts, it's available. Basically, 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:07.880 it's quite easy. I just Amazon has a thing called 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:11.440 Amazon Video Direct and you kind of, if you have 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.800 an Amazon account already, which I did, you basically sign 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.440 up for Amazon Video Direct and it allows you to 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.200 publish videos on their platform. And you just have to 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:25.000 sign up and give your sort of uh your bank 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.520 information and if so, I have an LLC that I 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:32.040 set up for making the movie that's separate, separate from 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.119 me personally. It's an LLC just made for the movie. 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:37.920 So I had to give that information. Uh, And you 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.920 need all that information. So the money that you make, 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.640 the profits you make off of the movie through Amazon, 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:47.080 through Amazon, and obviously they take a cut. I actually 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:51.160 it doesn't. Amazon takes a cut. Sure. Yeah shocking. I 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.880 was being facetious. Sorry I missed that. He's always got 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.480 that hands, got to get his a little guy. Yeah. 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:01.600 So so it's it's it's surprisingly easy. And then um, 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.640 once you make all that account stuff, you can you know, 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:09.200 create uh, basically a project for the for the video 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.000 for the movie. It can be a short film or 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.640 a movie or whatever, and it requires a lot of 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:15.920 information that you have to enter, and you have to 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.560 have the movie exported in a certain format file formats, 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.160 not just a bunch of YouTube garbage. They're really weeding 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.200 that kind of thing out. Yeah, and then once you 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.040 actually get all your ducks in a row and have 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.760 everything filled out and all the information, you submit it 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:29.640 to them and that takes a couple of days and 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.479 it actually goes through an approval process where it could 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:36.080 be rejected if the file format doesn't conform to certain standards, 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.480 or if the artwork you used for the cover image 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:43.080 is incorrectly format and stuff like that. All right, so 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.159 you just gotta have your ducks in a row, follow 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.839 through on everything, and YouTube can get your movie on 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:51.080 Amazon Prime. Yes, yes, very cool. And as far as 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.960 like a promotion and stuff that obviously be a separate yes, 0:04:55.040 --> 0:05:00.440 they have like a guidebook where it's basically, uh, here's 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.359 how to promote your movie, tweet about it with the 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.320 hashtag prime video or it's you know, it's all you 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.520 doing it yourself, you know, unless you're a big studio. Uh. 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.960 So it's on Amazon Prime. It's free to stream, you 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.159 can prime member, and it's a dollar ninety two rent 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.839 if you're not all right, So you see it everyone, Yeah, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.240 it's really good. I'm just gonna go ahead and put 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:23.120 that out there, like, it's really fun, it's really heartwarming, 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.760 it's uh, it's got it's a cool story and and 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:29.360 it's beautifully shot and it's just a cool movie. Yeah. 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.159 I told Paul that I've I'm watching it in pieces, 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.440 well not in pieces, really two pieces because uh, as 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:37.560 soon as he said that email the other day, it's like, 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.200 oh man, like I can't watch it right now. So 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:41.560 if I got I got to see some of it 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:43.680 because I gotta get a sense of it. So I'll 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:45.920 watch like the first fifteen minutes before I had to 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:47.479 get in the shower, and then I'm going to finish 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.080 it up probably tonight. And I liked what I saw, 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.239 and he's great. If she's so endearing as a human 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.880 being and that comes through on screen. Yeah, uh, and 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.880 make sure yeah you ask her about it when you record. Uh, nope, 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.440 your Yeah, we'll talk about that for sure. Our buddy 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:05.360 Chandler Mays too, isn't it And he played he does 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:08.839 a great dust turn as a kind of a scheezy 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:14.960 weed dealer. Um. That was a stretch, but fantastic. If 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.640 you tell anyone listening, if you do watch it, please 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.520 I hate having to ask this, but please rate it 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.680 and review it if you feel so inclined. Even if 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:26.560 you don't like the movie, it does mean a lot. 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.279 And also just it does help with like discover ability 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.840 and all those silly things to help the movie get seen. 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.960 So I love it. Names with the podcasts, yeah, same thing, 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:46.919 the podcasts. All right, guys, let's talk about the Lighthouse. 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.880 Casey saw this back in May and France. Correct, correct, 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:54.039 Yeah it was. It was not in the official competition, 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.679 but it was in the sidebar the Uncertain My God 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.240 so um, which is where they put a lot of 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.360 kind of steing slightly more experimental stuff. And I think 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:04.159 it fit right in. I think I thought I was 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.960 going to play on the ha ha ha day No, no, 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.720 not surprisingly not interesting. Uh do you feel like you're 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.200 pretty fresh on it? Still? Well, that's the thing I 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:15.720 was going to try to see it again before we 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.080 did this, and it just didn't come together. So I'm 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.480 relying on my memory from May and yeah, you'll be 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.880 it's it's I mean, it's I feel like it's a 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.000 movie that the plot matters, maybe a little less than 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.360 your average movie. It's it's more about the atmosphere and 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:31.360 so on. So sure, you know, what, when did you 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:35.240 see it? I saw on Halloween? O? Yeah, all right, 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:39.280 yeah on Halloween Halloween day night. Yeah, when't that spooky 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.560 cold weather came through? It was just when just so 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.240 got out and tried to have a chat about it 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.840 with my friends outside and then realized it was far 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.920 too cold and we weren't going to continue our hangs 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.640 indoor else indoors elsewhere, so we parted ways. But that 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.880 is pretty funny after a movie about true elemental human 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.960 suffering and you're outside and you're like, I can't talk 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:03.880 about this movie. It's uh And when did you see it, PAULI? 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.720 I just saw it last Today's Wednesday. I saw it 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.680 last Friday. Okay, yeah, I saw it in New York 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.120 UM when I was there a couple of weeks ago. 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.080 And boy, let's just get into it. I mean a 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:19.040 movie that uh, you know, I was really interested in 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:22.120 this one a because of Egger's uh Robert Eggers and 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:25.720 The Witch was so great and original, I thought, but 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.080 also because and I've talked about it on the show before, 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.440 but I wrote a lighthouse movie, a period piece thriller 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:36.080 horror not horror, more thriller um a couple of years 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.120 ago that I tried to get money to make and 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.960 sort of started and never never did it. But I 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.360 was like, oh, Man, Eggers is doing a lighthouse movie. 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:44.680 I was like, I'm sure it's way better than what 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:48.600 I was gonna do. And it was, um, but it 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:52.120 it definitely piqued my interest because I was just like, 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.760 why has no one written a great movie with the 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:59.400 lighthouse is the primary setting, because it forces so many 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:04.040 things upon you. Um, probably the most important thing is 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:08.560 is isolation. Yeah, which is a good foundation for a 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.000 I guess they're calling this on Wikipedia at least a 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.440 psychological horror film. It's like a cabin fever movie, sort 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:17.319 of in the tradition of like The Shining or something, 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.560 where your hold up against the elements and you know, 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.360 you kind of lose your mind. Yeah. I didn't feel 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.840 it was a horror movie, did you guys, No, it's 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:30.320 it's maybe unsettling is the word more than horror. And 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.200 also it definitely has some comedy in it, Oh, a 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:38.679 lot of comedy. It's hilarious. Yeah, yeah, through which were 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:41.640 very again, I mean the character of the old grizzled 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.160 sea captain, you know, I mean, it's like the most 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.200 stock character you can imagine. Of course, that guy's farting 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:51.040 all the time. Yeah, it's absolutely you know, I mean, 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.120 it doesn't it is. It does make you giggle a 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.280 little bit, but it doesn't come off as like completely 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.280 out of nowhere, Like it makes absolute sense for his 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.320 character and it and it makes sense for the Robert 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.800 Pattinson's character to be, like he's dealing with this asshole 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.920 and he's getting fucking farted in his face on top 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.040 of it all. It's sort of like the the stinky 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.160 cherry on top. Just for the record, real quick, I 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:19.040 just typed in Lighthouse movies and uh, we've got Pete Dragon. 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.360 Lighthouse places pretty prominently in that. A movie from nineteen nine, 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:28.240 a horror thriller called Lighthouse, a movie from five called 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.480 Voice of the Whistler, which looks pretty cool. Um, then 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.480 we've got The Light at the Edge of the World, 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.160 which very much centers around the lighthouse, and my personal 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:41.599 favorite horror on Snape Island from nineteen seventy two. Um, 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.280 I want to see all of these. Then you have 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:47.080 another movie called The Lighthouse from nineteen it's a foreign film, 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.320 so it's called faro Um from Argentina. And then to 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:54.120 the Lighthouse, the Fog, Hysterical and Shutter Island. There was 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:59.400 a lighthouse. My movie was called The Graves head Light 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:04.599 because the I should just tell people what it was 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:06.120 because I'm never gonna make it, or you know what, 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.839 maybe we'll make it as a podcast. There you got, 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.520 there you go. That's cool. And that's the thing I 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.160 wanted to point out too by this movie, like it 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:18.240 is just as sonically interesting as it is visually interesting, 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.719 like the sound design and the palette and the sparseness 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.640 and the choices they make on point. So it just 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.240 it lulls you into this weird fugue state almost while 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.200 you're watching it, and you start to almost feel that 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:36.120 malaise and kind of confusion that the characters are feeling, 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.480 which is neat because a quick set up two dudes 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:43.160 older grizzled sea captain and younger you know, new recruit 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.840 kind of greenhorn Greenhorn going to this island as Rock 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.240 as they call it to do some maintenance work for 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:51.240 a short period of time. I think it's meant to 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.840 be two weeks or something like that. Yeah, And that's 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.040 just like how they did it. They rotated people in 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.800 and out of stations and lights and this was there 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.559 whatever their next stop. Yeah, because it's literally a functional 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:05.640 thing as lighthouses to keep ships from crashing, right, so 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.360 they have to, you know, make sure everything's functioning, do 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:12.120 some maintenance work, some light repairs and roofing and etcetera. 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.240 And that's what they're there for. Yeah, because the lighthouse 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.600 gets beat up. You gotta paint those things like once 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:26.280 a year. The seagulls pecking, all the seagull stuff is phenomenal. 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:28.240 There's a whole credit at the end of the movie 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.480 that's just seagull crew and it's a huge list of people. 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:32.840 I don't don't know if it was a joker now, 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:34.160 but I don't think no, No, I think they had 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.800 like wranglers. Yeah, for sure. You got the scene where 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:41.480 the beats that seagull to death is fucking brutal. It 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.040 really made me laugh when it sne came up like 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.640 it's brutal, but it also is very cathartic when you 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:50.199 just finally there was a bit I think. I mean, 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.560 parts of this movie seem like a black comedy. It's weird. Yeah. 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.320 I think. The thing that's interesting, though, is there's a 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:57.920 line that you don't even you can't hardly tell when 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.800 it gets crossed, Like even in that seagull beating the 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.040 death scene. Yeah, it's comical and muppety looking at first, 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:05.640 but then all of a sudden, he's just holding this 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:09.439 bag of guts and you know, black blood and stuff, 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.760 and then it becomes kind of disturbing what started off 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.679 as funny. I think that's a good kind of microcosm 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:16.760 of the whole movie, you know what I mean, because 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:20.240 it's like it's funny until it's not, and then it 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:25.040 gets real unfunny pretty quick, you know. Yeah? Yeah, Um, 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:26.880 I mean, let's let's talk a little bit, I guess 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.760 just about the look, uh, and maybe some more about 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.920 the sound. Does anyone know much about how they shot this? 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.040 So they shot it on actual black and white thirty 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:40.160 five millimeter film, uh, double X that a Kodak makes, 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.240 and they use lenses from Pano Vision, but they were 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:46.559 lenses that there's one that's like a hundred years old. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.040 Heard that, and then there's other lenses in the set 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.960 that are like from the nineties. Um. And they had 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.640 to have them kind of modernized and fitted to the 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:58.080 cameras that they're using, and um, you know, so that 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.559 all their accessories and so on would kind of be 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:05.360 inner compatible. Um. And they also shot with a blue 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.040 filter over the camera, which is kind of unusual for 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.600 black and white because it it tends to darken the 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:13.520 image and lower the contrast. Um, but it also brings 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.360 out like imperfections and skin and it's not a very 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.040 flattering filter. Yeah. I mean, this movie is not when 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.200 you think black and white. It can there's a range 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.160 when you talk about black and white, and uh, what 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.120 I tend to think of is just that gorgeous really 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:31.880 black blacks and crisp and this movie is almost just gray, right, 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.480 which is sort of like a like the foggy, kind 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:39.960 of hazy atmosphere and so um yeah, and they they 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:42.280 shot in a very kind of unusual aspect ray show 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.800 one point one nine to one, which is almost square. 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.400 It's it's a lot taller than we're used to seeing. 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.120 Did that because of the lighthouse? So yeah, because of 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.120 the lighthouse, and also because a lot of kind of 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.160 early cinema was shot closer to that aspect ray show. 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.120 I really like this aspect ray show. I thought it 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.440 was cool. It's yeah, I mean, I love I love people. 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.440 I of seeing films that play with, um, you know, 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:04.560 aspect ratios that we don't see all the time. I 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.160 think Wes Anderson for the Hotel movie did that right. 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.440 It's four by three, but yeah, close enough. I mean 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.520 he's he's got like two three, five and four by three. 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.280 There might be one six six in there somewhere. Yeah. 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.360 A lot of television from the nineties is in a 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.960 more square aspect ratio. I believe four three, four by three. Yeah, 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:25.280 I mean that's like a TV predescreen. Yes, of course, 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.680 of course exactly. But it's interesting too. There's always a 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.960 big fuss that gets made when they reissue some of 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:32.760 that stuff and then they squish it and where they 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.440 stretch it and so you lose parts of the image 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:38.000 when they do that. Right, to accommodate a wider frame, 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.160 they have to push in it depends on how it 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.760 was shot. But yeah, basically, yes, like there's certain shows 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.280 like The Wire for instance, when they when they when 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.920 they redid that for h D, like there was more 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.320 information in the negative on the sides that they could 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.960 open up. But the problem is is that when they 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.640 were shooting, they only protected for like what was in 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.840 the frame. You know, so there's like stands and you know, 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.120 cables and that they had to paint out and see 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:05.000 g I to like interest redo that show basically, and 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.520 you know a lot of purists myself included, were kind 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:08.880 of like, I wish you had just done four by 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.160 three because that is like that's the show I watched, 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.360 you know, but I mean it looks good in six. Yeah, 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:19.520 well this movie looks great. Uh. And it's just so like, um, 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.840 so realistic and and I know that they I mean, 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.960 he put these guys through a living hell. And Robert 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.360 Pattinson uh was talking about basically like for all intents 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.800 and purposes, at times, it felt like they were living 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:35.480 in the nineteenth century, you know, on set because they 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.600 were there, you know, they were in a remote location, 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:39.960 you know, Scotia. I think, yeah, you can't fake that 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.600 ship and the weather was really brutal, and you know 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:47.120 all those scenes where he's got that rickety wheelbarrow and 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.400 he's going through the mud and you're just like that 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.560 that had to have been a miserable experience. You can't 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:54.920 fake that kind of duress. You know, it's not like 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:56.800 they got a stand in to do it. Maybe there's 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:58.400 a couple of scenes that they did, but in general, 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.480 it's like it's because of the aspect racio. A lot 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:04.119 of it's super close up and claustrophobics claustrophobics, so he 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.359 you know, he absolutely was shoveling that ship like you know, 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.800 painting that house on that like weird uh Pulley system thing. 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.280 It seemed very dangerous to begin with, and then he 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.440 of course falls and I don't know, like, yes, it's 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.680 a real commitment of acting. That's at the very least 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:22.119 you can you have to give it that. Whether you 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.280 like it or not, you cannot deny that it is 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.280 some powerhouse acting going on in that film. And it's 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.600 a very physical role, like he has to actually do 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.840 all this stuff. And Robert Eggers, in an interview as reading, 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.840 talked about how you know these older lenses they're not 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.280 coded as well. They tend to fog up quite easily, 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.439 especially in like that kind of weather. So there were 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.879 numerous takes. I think he said one scene they had 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.959 to do like twenty five takes of Robert Pattinson walking 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.720 into the water and uh, you know with the waves 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.240 and everything, and um, they had to do that like 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.400 twenty five times just because they kept having problems with 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:57.720 the lens fogging up all the time, and so a 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.400 take would be perfectly good except for that, and again 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.280 and didn't Pattinson kind of loses cool with him a 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.480 little bit. I saw a thing where he was saying, 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:06.000 at least an interview that he wanted to punch him, 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:07.840 or that he almost punched him because they were a 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.520 thin blasting him with a hose at some point to 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.800 get him wetted down properly. I don't remember exactly. Yeah, 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.400 I don't think it was a fun shoot. Guys. Well, 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.119 it's so it's so dirty and grimy and gritty, and 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.879 just like it feels like for the entire duration of 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:23.920 that shoot, they probably didn't feel like they ever got clean. 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:25.960 You know, it just kind of wears on you after 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:29.400 a while. I wonder where they stayed it's a good question. Yeah, 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:31.639 I don't know. It couldn't have been too close to 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.919 any amenity, right right. I wonder if they just rented 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.719 some houses nearby or something. Yeah, yeah, probably. Uh. This 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:39.359 is a kind of movie where, like the acting is 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.760 so good and it's just two of them. It's almost 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.760 it almost feels like you wish you could give them 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:48.080 a joint Academy Award or something. It's for like best 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:52.960 you know, best duo. Mean there's one is not a 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:56.520 supporting actor. I mean, they're both the lead actors. I 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:59.560 would like to see them both getting nominated for Lead Actor, 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:02.080 you know, for the Oscars. I think if you had 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.199 to pick one, though, I would say Defoe, Yeah, just 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.840 because like he gets all these amazing monologues. He gets 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.640 more dialogue then. I mean, I think Pattinson's physical performance 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.240 is probably a little more intense, but like as far 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:18.080 as acting, you know, like in delivery, just choose it up, 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.840 he brushes it man. That curse that he does is 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:25.359 a scene where he smites Pattinson's character with this insane 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.000 curse and all these horrible things that are gonna happen 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:30.280 to him, all because he says he didn't like his cooking. Yeah, 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:34.719 that was great because he didn't even like me, lobster. 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:39.439 You're fond of me lobster Ange. It was hard not 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:43.520 to think of the Simpsons Sea Captain. Yeah. Yeah, I 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:48.000 mean it's totally that character. Yeah. Um, there's a lot 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:52.840 of chamber pot stuff. There's a lot of gross human waste. Um, 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:56.800 there's a lot of sort of old seafaring and a 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:58.919 no Egger's and his brother wrote this. They did a 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:02.240 lot of really good research John just sort of the 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:08.200 superstitions of of the life of a lighthouse keeper. Yeah, 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:11.159 and there's there's all these like vintage light keeper diaries 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:15.000 that that they were reading to to actually pull not 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.760 so much like entire lines of dialogue from, but certainly 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.399 like turns of phrase and vocabulary and so on to 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.639 kind of inhabit that voice, which they did on The 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:25.960 Witch too. Yes, yeah, even I think even more so 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.320 on The Witch in terms of like their their lines 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:30.760 and you know, exchanges in The Witch that kind of 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:34.399 comes straight from some some of these primary period sources. 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:37.239 But this one it was more like they just kind 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:39.600 of wanted to capture that spirit and style of the 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.920 matter of speaking. But the dialogue itself is more of 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:47.440 like an invention of Eggers and his co screenwriter, his brother. Yea, 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:53.560 is this a movie you like? It's a weird question, 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.639 but like so, you know, we've we've been talking a 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:01.359 lot about the great technical achievements of this movie, acting, cinematography, 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:05.080 sound design, which are all stellar, but so far, for 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:06.879 me personally, I haven't had much to say on it 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:10.760 because I personally did not like the movie that much. 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:13.399