WEBVTT - Conspiracy? [7] 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.920 This call is subject to monitoring, recording, and identification of 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:06.319 the location of the person being called. 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:11.880 To accept charges. 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:14.440 Press one. 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:20.239 Thank you for using the curius. You may start the 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:25.960 conversation now. One of my attorneys, Lenn Whatley, received a 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:29.880 package on his doorstep of his anonymous package. He opened 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:33.280 the package and found out that it contained hundreds of 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:38.120 GBI files about the classified investigation that the agency had 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:42.520 been doing into quite supremacist involvement in the Atlantic killings. 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:46.680 It also contained, to our surprise, several tape recorded confessions 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.599 some of the clansmen. They admitted and they were involved 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.280 in the murder of some of the miscan murdered cases. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:56.000 And at another body was discovered today the twenty third. 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.480 At Voice Task Force headquarters. There are twenty seven faces 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:01.960 on the wall, twenty six murdered, one missing. 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:04.880 We do not know the person or persons that are responsible. Therefore, 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:06.040 we do not have the money. 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:09.120 From Tenderfoo TV in house TOI forks in Atlanta. 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:12.839 Like eleven other recent victims in Atlanta, Rogers apparently. 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:13.360 Was a sphyxia victor. 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:17.160 Atlanta is unlikely to catch the killer unless he keeps 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:17.880 on killing. 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:20.400 This is Atlanta monster. 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.319 This was the first time Wayne Williams has been photographed 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.560 since his trial almost two years ago. Jail officials say 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:38.400 he has gained forty pounds since he's been behind bars, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.679 but he didn't look heavier, just a little older. Sheriff 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:45.040 Leroy Stinchcombe allowed him to hold this unusual news conference 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.760 today because he says he thinks Williams deserves a chance 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.080 to speak his peace before he has moved from the 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:53.760 county jail into the state prison system. And predictably, Williams 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.120 began by denying he's a child killer. 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.880 I have been wrongly accused and connected with the series 0:01:59.920 --> 0:02:02.400 of peneous crimes, and all I ask is a chance 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:03.280 to see justice. 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.960 Police officials have insisted that since William's arrest, the murders 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.000 of young Atlanta blocks have stopped, but william says he 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.080 has evidence that at least forty murders fitting the pattern 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:15.360 of the child murderers have been committed since he's been 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:15.800 in jail. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.359 Wayne tried to get his case reopened. If you look 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.040 at it, if you go back in history, of course, 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.200 a lot of this is archive. This is long before 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.440 the Internet, back in nineteen eighty one and eighty two. 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.440 But if you pull old records. I mean there were 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:32.320 people dying well after Wayne got convicted. For Wayne's attorneys, 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:33.720 that's a good argument. 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.320 Since my risk. Summer nineteen eighty one, the decomposed body 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.280 of a young teenage black female found strangled on I twenty. 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.160 Summer of nineteen eighty one, fifteen year old black male 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:45.359 found shot on West Lake Avenue in front of home, 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.799 no further information. Summer of nineteen eighty one, the twenty 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.400 one year old uncle of murder victim Curtis Walker was 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.720 found did no further information. As you can see, there 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:58.120 are definitely homicided to need to be investigated, and all 0:02:58.160 --> 0:02:59.800 we're saying is that we want the chance to get 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:01.919 in court and deal with this information. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.119 Will Jail officials say there have been threats on William's 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.320 life almost daily since he's been behind bars. He will 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.960 probably be moved into the state prison system sometime in January, 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:14.639 but Sheriff's Stinchcombe warrens if he is put into the 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.480 general prison population, he won't last a day. But William 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:19.560 says he's not afraid. 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.359 I have some reservations about it because it will be 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.400 a change, as he said of address, but no I 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.120 don't fear from my life. I just put him a 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:28.160 faith in God and trust. 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:30.919 William's attorneys have just two more days to ask the 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.760 state Supreme Court to reconsider its decision to uphold his 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.360 two murder convictions. If the court denies that request as expected, 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:39.960 william says he's prepared to appeal his case all the 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:43.360 way to the US Supreme Court if necessary. Although today's 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:47.960 news conference was greatly anticipated, there were certainly no surprises. Instead, 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:51.840 Williams continued to play off the long standing public doubts 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.600 that the wrong man may be in jail, but once 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.120 his case is kicked up into the federal courts, the 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.800 only thing that matters are very complicated legal issues and 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:04.360 public doubts, no matter how strong, probably won't do anything 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:05.240 to set him free. 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.120 That may be right, especially after all these years, the 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.160 public doubt has persisted. Tyrone Brooks, civil rights advocate and 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.720 acquaintance of Wayne Williams, started his own petition to reopen 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:18.080 the Atlanti Shaw murder cases. 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:22.200 Representative Tyrone Brooks says he is now demanding that all 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:25.800 twenty eight murder cases blamed on Wayne Williams be reopened. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:30.279 Brooks claiming several police task Force investigators have long doubted 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:31.720 Wayne Williams involvement. 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.840 They pretty much were dissatisfied with the way things were going. 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:38.480 They did not believe that Wayne Williams was the right suspect. 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.960 They didn't believe that the investigators were really on the 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:46.920 right track, and really that the pressure was coming from Washington, 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.600 from the Vice President's office down to Governor Busby, through 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.680 the GBI, through the District Attorney, and on down to 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:54.760 the Atlanta Police Bureau. 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.240 Pressure to do what, pressure to. 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:59.520 Find somebody, to find a scapegoat. 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.160 I mean, you had George Bush coming in and saying, 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.640 we need these murders solved. The first black mayor of Atlanta, 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.080 he was under a lot of pressure to get these solved. 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.239 There were black kids dying in the city of Atlanta. 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.640 That's not a good look for the first black mayor. 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.840 You had a lot of pressure from Washington to get 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.960 this solved. So, I mean, it looks like that's what happened, 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.880 because you can't go from we don't have enough evidence 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.800 to prosecute to oh my god, we have all of 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:27.960 these patterns and Wayne is our guy. 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.520 Brooks alluding to a secret June nineteenth, nineteen eighty one 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.720 midnight meeting at the Georgia Governor's mansion, a meeting in 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:38.560 which Fulton District Attorney Lewis Slayton was reportedly pressured by 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:43.359 former Governor Busby to arrest Wayne Williams, despite Slayton's reluctance 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.200 to do so at the time. Two days later, on 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:50.280 June twenty first, Slayton did move against Williams, arresting him 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:50.960 at his house. 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.760 If the arrest was backed by pressure from higher authorities, 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:56.320 what else was in those case files that didn't get 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:56.880 enough attention? 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.479 One box more than sixty two hundred documents twenty homicide 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:05.200 files containing information never before revealed publicly on one of 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.480 the most explosive criminal cases in the nation's history. The 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.760 files don't paint a pretty picture. Instead, they sometimes paint 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.479 the troubled city scape where some of the victims came from. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:19.120 One file explorer's possible ties between a group of homosexuals 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.760 and three victims. The files revealed that at some points 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.280 during the investigation, suspects in at least two of the 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:28.239 killings had included close relatives. There are mentions of drugs, 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.799 persons with criminal record surface, often one victim's mother allegedly 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.440 admitted to investigators she was a prostitute, but most of 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.080 that had little to do with the end of the 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.680 investigation that came with a conviction of Wayne Williams in 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:42.560 two of the cases. 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.840 Oh my god, it was everything but Wayne Williams. I mean, 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:50.640 there was so many other suspects in Wayne was not 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:52.000 one of them at all. 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.880 The newest defense rest and revolves around the murdered case 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:58.080 of Lubageta and the supposed involvement of some unnamed members 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.760 of the q Klux Klan. The new appeal resting as 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.800 it does on the Lubijita case and the Klan involvement 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:05.040 may be too fragile. 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:09.320 Well, there was always speculation even before Wayne got arrested 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.080 about some clan involvement. 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.720 I do believe that there's an element of the Ku 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:18.440 Kluk Klan embedded in the law enforcement community and still 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.880 is today. I do believe that wiping out young black 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.360 men was a part of the overall legitimate to weaken 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:25.120 the black community. 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.320 The KKK. When you were a kid, that's what we 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.120 talked about, I mean, because it was strange for me. 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:32.320 I mean when we were in middle school. You know, 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.960 they still burned cross on Stone Mount. I mean that 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.200 was the rallying point for the KKK. I mean it 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.320 was just our ways to things. 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:42.360 That you know that you heard. 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:44.880 So there were a lot of theories right that people 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.240 developed that because they were all black, because they were 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.960 mostly male, this is you know, this was a KKK conspiracy. 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:54.680 Some people in the black community thought it was the 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:58.480 Ku Klux Klan that was grabbing these black boys. That 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:03.000 whole theory around it being the clan came up because 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.200 people in the black community did not believe a black 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:10.360 person would do that to another black person, particularly a 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:11.119 black child. 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:13.760 How do you feel about the people who think that 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.120 the clan is involved in the Atlanta chap murders. 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.040 That was a joke. That was an absolute joke. The 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:22.480 Klan number one is not smart enough to commit twenty 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.920 five perfect crimes. Number two. If they did do it, 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.600 they were taking an ad out in the newspaper. They 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.840 were toothless. But again, the Bureau insisted on keeping watch 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:34.280 on them, so we just had informants monitor them meetings, 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:36.720 make sure nobody was going to do anything crazy plans 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.960 just not smart enough. A bunch of rednecks who hate 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:43.400 blacks and they weren't bright enough to commit this crime, 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:45.200 and if they did, they would have taken out an 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.520 ad in the paper. Plus, how do you go into 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:49.480 a black neighborhood dressed in a hood. 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.920 The Klan wanted to take credit for it. I mean, 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.920 they're racist. It would have been a feather in their 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.120 hat if as group they could have said, yeah, we 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.199 killed twenty eight kids and got bye with it. But 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.719 they couldn't find anybody that would say, yes, I did it, 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.359 and they didn't know enough of the facts to convince anybody. 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:09.559 That they did it. 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.720 There was a guy named Charles Sanders who was known 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.400 to be a clan member. I think his brother or 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.440 uncle was pretty high up in the Klan at that time, 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:26.439 and there was speculation, there was talks that he was 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.280 the one that actually killed Louby Jeter. 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.320 For years, selling things on streets and in shopping centers 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.840 has been a prime way for children to earn extra money. 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.160 Fourteen year old Chuck Jeter was no exception. 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.160 We didn't see any pattern. We didn't see anything, and 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.680 then January third, after we came back, Louby Jeter happened. 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.559 On January third, he went to the Stuart Lakewood mall 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.960 in southeast Atlanta to sell cans of zep Gel, a cardiotorizer. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:52.200 Luby. 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.800 Jeter was fifteen years old. He was selling zepp products 0:09:56.400 --> 0:10:01.439 at a outdoor mall in down in Southwest at once Sat. 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.959 The afternoon he disappeared. So they organized a search on 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:11.320 the ninth of January, and I remember a cold, rainy Friday, 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:16.680 and they told us APD told us it gave us 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:20.160 various areas in the city areas they thought that a 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:21.520 body might be dumped. 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:26.160 Investigators were literally beating the bushes looking for any trace 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.360 of fourteen year old Chuck Jeter. Trained dogs sniffed the 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.720 area around the mall today but turned up nothing. This weekend, 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.280 volunteer searchers will be on the lookout for Jeter, but 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:37.319 police say so far they're stumped. 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:41.120 The roll call was impressive. Officers from the SWAT Team, 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.400 the Task Force, the Motorcycle Squad were here, so were 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.200 recruits who have yet seen much action. Even agents from 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.600 both the federal and Georgia Bureaus of Investigation were helping out. 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.599 This was the first ever massive search conducted by the 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.760 Atlanta Police Bureau. The more than two hundred officers would 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.319 look for anything that could help find fourteen year old 0:10:59.360 --> 0:10:59.880 Luby Jeter. 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:02.959 My partner and I were walking up and down the 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:04.319 side of that road trying to see if we can 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.880 find any evidence, with no hope of finding anything. And 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:08.559 I looked down in the creek and I said, there's 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.520 a pair of jeans. The creek was overflowing its banks. 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.240 He held my arms while I leaned over into that creek. 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.600 Found those jeans and Louby's school schedules in the back 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:22.920 pocket the pants. We took the pants and the belt, 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:24.720 and one of the females in the family, I remember 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:29.839 she identified the belt as being his because he was 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.439 in such a state of deterioration that I did and 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:34.800 identify him was. 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:35.240 Kind of hard. 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.640 I remember driving out there. The agent that had his 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.480 case assigned was Frank Pickets. Heck of a guy. He's 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:48.920 still around, hell of a man. And he came out 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.280 of that woods with tears in his eyes. He was crying. 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.439 Looby Jeter just broke my heart. Outstanding kid, I mean, 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:57.800 just a phenomenal kid. 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.839 Landover Road was still blocked off this morning. Only a 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.440 few people could venture near the site where Jeter's body 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.400 was found. Dozens of Atlanta, police and FBI agents gathered. 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:10.640 At the site. 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:13.760 The discovery of Jeter's body here now lends weight to 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.640 the theory that one person could be responsible for several 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.880 of the murders. The way Jeter died by strangulation fits 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.920 into a pattern. Three of Atlanta's other murdered children died 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.840 the same way. Two others died by suffocation. His discovery 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:30.720 yesterday fits into another pattern. Location. Within the last year 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.320 and a half, six children black males between the ages 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.000 of seven and fifteen have all been found within a 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:37.199 five mile radius. 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.719 Either the pattern doesn't exist, there is no pattern, or 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.640 we got a much bigger problem. There was an independent 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:49.360 witness that said, this guy, Charles Sanders, said he killed 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.720 Louby Jeter. What is your evidence to say Wayne killed 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.280 Loubis Jeter. They have none. 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.520 Wayne Williams is being represented in this healing for a 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.079 new trial by his former attorney, Lynn Watley and two 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:06.600 of his country's most prominent attorneys, Bobby Lee Cook of Somerville, Georgia, 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:08.680 and William Kuntler of New York. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.120 We were at Avieu's Corpus court in Butts County. 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:14.760 The defense is trying to show that the police were 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.640 investigating that the Ku Klux Klan may have been responsible 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.520 for some of the child murders, but that that file 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.320 was never turned over to help with Williams's defense. 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.000 Apparently, what we found out after we got in the 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:31.199 Avieu's corpus court and the source source within the GBS, 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.679 was that they had a confidential informan I believe his 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:35.600 name Whittaker. 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.400 The first witness today, Billy Joe Whittaker, says he worked 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.679 as a police informant during the missing and murdered investigation. 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.120 Whittaker says he told police. 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:49.120 Detectives that a klansman from Mountain View, Charles Sanders, told 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:50.440 Whittaker he killed. 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.440 One of the child victims, Louby Jeter. 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.880 And we were able to contact Whittaker and he did 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:59.240 appear in court and testify under old force stating that 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.520 one of the families I believe they were mounted viuekbas 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:06.439 Panders families was indeed responsible for that. When I told 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:10.680 you that, I believe Charles Sanders the clok clerk Kilder 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:11.480 this one. 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.800 Jail Robby Lee Cook and William Huntlers say they have 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.360 a letter from Atlanta Police Major Herman Griner. They called 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:22.360 Sanders the klansmen, the prime suspect in the murders four 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.440 months before Wayne Williams was arrested in charge with two 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:26.160 of the murderers. 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.920 In nineteen ninety one, Wayne's attorneys called for a court 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.760 hearing were police informant Billy Joe Whittaker testified for Wayne Williams. 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.760 This man, Billy Joe Whittaker, was in jail during the 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.040 early eighties, but when he heard that Louby Jeter had 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.520 become one of the victims, he contacted the Georgia Bureau 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.880 of Investigation. Whittaker stated that a man named Charles Sanders 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.360 made threats against Louby Jeter's life. Whittaker claimed he wore 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:51.240 recording equipment, went to Sanders home and got him to 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:54.440 admit to the child's murder. If that was true, then 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.960 Wayne Williams was not responsible for Luby Jeter's death. 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.400 It definitely makes you question. Okay, first, not enough evidence 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.880 to convict Wayne. Now there's these tapes from this clans 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:10.640 member which is mind boggling, and I've actually heard in. 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:14.120 The way chap recordings at all, and they talk about 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:18.320 openly and brazenly about saying, yes, I killed a little 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.160 black be yes, I'm going to black black black with him, 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.560 and we went to court trying to get this in 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.480 but however, the court in Budson County Block just refused 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:29.640 it and they put the tape recordings under seal and 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.600 not Judge Craggs Court. And we attempted to bring this 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:36.320 up at Feneral Higgs Quarters Court and that was where 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.800 the issues started the appeal. So we've been trying for 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:43.960 decades to getting this information out because the GBI did 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:45.920 not want it out because they issued in one of 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.160 the documents that the statement saying that they were fred 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.280 and prop Releasing this information was got a race war 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:52.280 in Atlanta. 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.920 As in certain county District Attorney Joe J. Lay prosecuted 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:56.720 Wayne Williams. 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.640 He says he was never told about the plan file. 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:01.360 Do you think you should have known about it? 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.000 Not? Particularly, It wasn't right about at the time. 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.560 The GBI had it, The police department had it, two 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:09.840 prosecutors had it, two judges had it. 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.800 If Lewis Slayton didn't have it, means he didn't want it. 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.720 After Whitaker testified, Williams was still not granted a retrial. 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.880 The strangest part is that now the tapes are nowhere 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:20.360 to be found. 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.480 So this was information that the TBI had, but like 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.080 I say, they kept it suppressed because they weren't a 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.000 piece of worried about a racial war instead of trying 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:31.320 to solve the killing in Atlanta. 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.160 You didn't want a race war in nineteen eighty one 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:35.760 or eighty two. 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:36.480 You just didn't. 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.160 I mean, we weren't that far removed from the civil rights. 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.440 You had your first black mayor, You had all of 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.640 these elected officials because of the mayor that were black. 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.160 So it wouldn't look good for the city at all. 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:53.160 I liken it to Rodney King when those officers got off, 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.080 look what happened in that city. And then I likened 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.640 it to O. J. Simpson. Now say what you want, 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:01.040 I believe the evidence should it was that OJ killed 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.520 Ron and the colet, But there was talks in the city. Well, 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.280 if he's convicted, there's gonna be riots, It's gonna be 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.359 a whole racial thing. If you look at that case, 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:15.560 that was right down the middle, black and white. You know, 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.679 had OJ been convicted, we would have saw another nineteen 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.280 ninety two Rodney King. I think that would have happened 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:23.560 here in Atlanta back in nineteen eighty one eighty two. 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.680 If it would have been a klansman, there's no doubt, 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:27.760 no doubt in my mind. 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.359 We are saying, you know that the white suspects declared 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.239 was responsible to allow them, but we know that they 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.399 were responsible for this particular group of killers. 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:36.560 Here. 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:40.520 We had a confidential informant that was black Eyed Canton. 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.040 We had a GVI source I can't reveal his name. 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.320 The agent then enough to box some lens George Stiff Litterally, 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.600 it had several real real Kate recorders of wire gather 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.800 jail as doctuments on their on their file stared to 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.720 widecat disappers admitted to killing the movie cheter had been 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.199 involved in several of the other cases. And we've got 0:17:59.280 --> 0:17:59.920 that all white. 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.760 When you have a name like Charles Sanders and you 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:07.200 have a witness who knew Charles saying that yes, Charles 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.040 is the one that said he killed Luby Jeter. Way 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.760 back when there were secret recordings, there was some incident 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:18.199 supposedly around the Star Wars theater where Luby Jeter hit 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:20.640 his car with like a shopping car to a go cart. 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:22.960 Apparently there was a go cart accident in which he 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:26.000 collided with Sandra's car according to the information we had, 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.080 and that Sanders made a thread against him that he 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:33.080 was killing and he reiterates the threat in the Wildcat 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.440 that we heard. I'm para raised him down to the 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.400 visit my rememory. He said, I basically, yeah, I killed 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.640 a little black beat black, black black Jim. And then 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:43.359 he said, yeah, I'm going to get sport. 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:45.280 And he had made the comment he was going to 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:48.000 kill that little black kid for hitting his car and 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:49.560 he was going to strangle him to death, and of 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.600 course that's how Luby Jeter was killed. 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.320 In nineteen eighty six, Spin magazine published an article titled 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:05.399 A Question of Justice. The article's authors, Barry Michael Cooper 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.800 and Robert Keating, raised doubt about way William's guilt and 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:12.080 brought the idea of the KKK involvement to mainstream news. 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:15.840 It was a hugely popular article, and really it was 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.760 the first time the Atlanta child murders KKK theory was 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:20.720 given any legitimate credence by the media. 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.879 It's from a publication, so of course people can argue 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:29.000 that it was slantt you know, argue that it's fake news. 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:33.040 That's the new term nowadays. But what's interesting is not 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.200 only is it in the Spin article, but the FBI 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:40.440 talks about these recordings. Yeah, so I don't think the 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:43.879 tapes were made up. I definitely don't think the transcripts 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:44.359 were made up. 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.160 I asked Vincent what Charles Sanders said in those transcripts 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.960 that alluded to him being the Atlanta child murderer killing 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:51.800 more than one person. 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:55.480 In one of those conversations, there was talk, and I 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:57.760 believe it came from Charles Sanders that he was going 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.280 to go out and drive around and look for another 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:02.280 black kid, another victim. 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:05.680 If this was true, then why wasn't this a bigger deal? 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.440 From all the records I've seen, that's the closest to 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.440 a confession that law enforcement ever had. 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.320 Time affects any investigation or any case, because you know, 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:18.200