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Speaker 1: Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio living the dream

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Speaker 1: once again here on a fully loaded Sports Saturday.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Saturday, and we're broadcasting live from

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Speaker 2: the Fox Sports Radio studios. Strange day in this respect.

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Speaker 2: We don't have an NBA playoff game today. In other words,

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Speaker 2: clear room for the WNBA. That's what it was all

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Speaker 2: about today. Kaitlin Clark, Ain'tel Reese. Things getting to look

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Speaker 2: heated out there. Back off NBA and give the w

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Speaker 2: NBA's due as they open.

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Speaker 3: Up their season.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it was exactly scheduled like that,

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Speaker 4: but it's it seemed to be, as Bob Ross will say,

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Speaker 4: a happy little accident.

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Speaker 2: It was a happy accident, and there was some near

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Speaker 2: fisticuffs in that WA match.

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Speaker 4: Not an accident that felt I'm gonna go ahead and say

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Speaker 4: it was on purpose.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So let's let's review if you missed this, oh

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Speaker 2: by the way, by the way, it was interesting.

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Speaker 3: How you know a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Say that the emergence of Kaitlyn Clark a year ago,

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Speaker 2: uh raised the stature of the w n B A.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, it literally created the w n B A.

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Speaker 2: I know that's a little overstated, but slightly but in

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Speaker 2: some ways. How many people even knew the w NBA

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Speaker 2: existed before Caitlin Clark came into the I'm not your.

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Speaker 3: Target audience, Steve.

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Speaker 4: I'm literally wearing a sweatshirt right now that says everyone

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Speaker 4: watches women's sports. Okay, well, that's okay, that's great.

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Speaker 3: The fact is not everyone does watch women.

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Speaker 4: I understand that, but the whole point mainly, I have

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Speaker 4: watched the w n B A honestly religiously since COVID

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Speaker 4: because it was the first sport back ever since. So

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Speaker 4: I'm just not your target audience here. So like the

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Speaker 4: idea that Kaitlyn Clark, No, Kaitlin Clark went into the

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Speaker 4: w NBA, Sure, okay, no, I'm you.

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Speaker 3: And not go into the w n B A.

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Speaker 2: You know, he created a spotlight for the w NBA

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Speaker 2: that never existed before.

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Speaker 3: You have to acknowledge.

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Speaker 4: That there are more eyes on the league than ever

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Speaker 4: because of people like you.

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Speaker 2: Sure, okay, well I am not look at I also

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Speaker 2: have followed the w NBA from the beginning, all right.

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Speaker 3: I remember when.

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Speaker 2: Cynthia Cooper was the very first start coming out of

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Speaker 2: USC in the w NBA. So I know my w

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Speaker 2: across the board.

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Speaker 3: But for an.

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Speaker 2: Overwhelming number of people, I don't even dare say a

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Speaker 2: majority of people that tune into their first w NBA

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Speaker 2: game last season, it was solely because of the presence.

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Speaker 3: Of Kate Clark the A in her games.

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Speaker 4: Would I would off the charge, I know all of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they had to play in bigger arenas, I get it.

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Speaker 4: I would say that the the rivalry between the IOWA

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Speaker 4: and l s U from the there that that first

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Speaker 4: that excuse me, their junior years in college, and the

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Speaker 4: build up of that right, the build up of and

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Speaker 4: then going into the next tournament the following year them

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Speaker 4: going after each other again, and then the political situation

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Speaker 4: that it became when Joe Biden was like, well, we

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Speaker 4: and so forth, the w NBA changed from just a

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Speaker 4: conversation about basketball to a conversation about a lot. But

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Speaker 4: it's to your point of is the league at a

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Speaker 4: higher statue than it was last two years ago?

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Speaker 3: I can't disagree with that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know there are people listening right now saying, really,

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Speaker 2: you're going to open the show of the WNBA, and

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Speaker 2: the answer is yes because of what happened in the

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Speaker 2: game today was an absolute blowout for Caitlyn Clark over

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Speaker 2: the hapless Chicago team featuring Angel Reese. But it was

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Speaker 2: a play in which Angel Reese, who is not a

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Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clark is a perimeter player. Angel Reese is a

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Speaker 3: And I mean it was a hatchet job.

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Speaker 2: It was a big time hatchet job by Caitlin Clark,

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Speaker 2: hammering on her arms down to the floor. I thought

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Speaker 2: but then she jumped up because Caitlyn Clark turned her

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Speaker 4: There was like I sat and watched a bunch because

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Speaker 3: So Caitlyn swiped down, right, Angel kind of goes down.

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Speaker 4: If you look from the basket angle, you could see that,

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Speaker 4: all right, Maybe Angel sold a little bit. There also

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Speaker 4: was a little bit of a of a chicken wing

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Speaker 4: I'm not here to judicate either one. A side of that,

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Speaker 4: there was a moment that Caitlyn looks at her on

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Speaker 3: There was a hold me back type of moment. I

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Speaker 3: don't know how much seemed too orchestrated for you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that literally Caitlin Clark turned her

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Speaker 2: Is that is that even more disrespectful than getting in

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Speaker 4: Honestly, there was a beat at which she's looking at

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Speaker 2: Looking at her because Angel Reese was down on the ground.

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Speaker 2: I don't know their eye contact there.

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Speaker 4: Because the way that she got thrown down, the way

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Speaker 4: that Angel Reese hit the ground right for whether you

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Speaker 4: want to say she flopped or was thrown or however,

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Speaker 4: it kind of was in like one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 4: she's looking sitting at him, sitting on the ground looking

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Speaker 3: Very look, here's either here's the bottom.

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Speaker 4: Always definitely a moment in which you saw, like, I mean,

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Speaker 4: it was called a flagrant one and it should have.

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Speaker 2: Been in That is the only highlight they're going to

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Speaker 3: It also was a six I mean, a thirty point

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Speaker 2: It was an absolute blowout, and Caitlin Clark put up

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Speaker 2: her usual big numbers and everything. Did she end up

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Speaker 2: She did, all right, So she had a triple double today.

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Speaker 2: It was like fifteen sixteen assist along with the points ten.

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Speaker 2: But that that gave the WNBA something that people watch.

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh, oh okay, I'm going to see a

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Speaker 2: little more of that, you know, that kind of riff.

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Speaker 2: So you know, these are the two most recognized players

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Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clark and Angel Rees, are they not? The Q

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Speaker 2: these two women are far exceeding any other women in

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Speaker 3: And it's no, not the other women's game.

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Speaker 2: It's just that we're drawn to this rivalry and have,

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Speaker 2: as you said, back to their juniors in college. So

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Speaker 2: it was a game that served well for the WNBA

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Speaker 2: to their season, because that was my question going into

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Speaker 2: season went on. She's fully rested right now and she

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Speaker 2: looked like an MVP today. But this is what you need.

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Speaker 2: You get the spotlight for a day, give me something,

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Speaker 2: give me something that people are going to talk about.

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Speaker 3: And that's what we got. The hack on the arms.

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Speaker 2: The disrespectful walk away, Angel Rees having to be restrained,

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Speaker 2: that's what we want from the WNBA.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what the

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Speaker 4: postgame comments are from both sides. Because Holly Road did

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Speaker 4: ask Kaitlin going to that was at the third quarter

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Speaker 4: a very Caitlin way, I say, she does this a lot.

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Speaker 4: She won't necessarily call somebody out or shout at somebody,

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Speaker 4: but she was like to in her response to what

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Speaker 4: we know it was just a good take foul. Every

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Speaker 4: the point where it's like insinuating, at least I read

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Speaker 4: my read of it is insinuating that if in some

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Speaker 4: thing right like Whereas to me, you know, I didn't

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Speaker 4: I didn't like that very much.

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Speaker 2: In some ways, she is beginning to mimic what Larry

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Speaker 2: found out that this guy was the ultimate trash talker.

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Speaker 2: He was doing things out there leading second exactly one

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Speaker 2: than this. This guy was the ultimate trash talker. But

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Speaker 2: we didn't hear all of that when Larry Bird was playing.

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Speaker 4: So it's interesting, Steve, because with Kaitlyn Clark, I do

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Speaker 4: but like just somebody who you know, likes to get

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Speaker 4: the other type of conversations surrounding her and the player

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Speaker 4: that she's compared to the most in the NBA, Steph Curry.

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Speaker 4: I think it's the exact same way. Steph Curry definitely

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Speaker 4: talks his trash and does his dances at night night

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Speaker 4: and so on, but you would never hear anybody.

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Speaker 3: Talking about it.

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Speaker 2: Now he's due angelic, you know that kind of thing,

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Speaker 2: you know, the whole Steph Curry. Look, look, I think

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Speaker 2: for Caitlin Clark, the gloves are off this year. I

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Speaker 2: think in some respect a year ago, you know, she

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Speaker 2: sort of had to eat her way into the WNBA.

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Speaker 3: We know what she was.

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Speaker 2: Getting a lot of pushback about how how much impact

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Speaker 2: she was having on the league. My guess this year

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Speaker 2: is the gloves are off because I'll put it this way,

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Speaker 2: the WNBA needs her way more than she needs a

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Speaker 2: WNBA way more.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 2: I think that we are going to see, like when people.

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Speaker 3: Say that play in Europe, that's where they make their money,

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Speaker 3: all these are to.

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Speaker 4: Go over to the players. Who's the last great American

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Speaker 4: right now in Europe? That you've heard that you know

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Speaker 3: So here we are. We've gone through the draft.

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Speaker 8: I'm not him number one, number two. He'll be a

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Speaker 8: I've talked to them almost every week. They're waiting for him.

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Speaker 8: I'm a little surprised that they've taken the stance, but

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Speaker 6: I don't know what it is. No one knows.

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Speaker 6: Marginal? Marginal folks. He was hurt last year. Let's not forget.

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Speaker 4: Adam, I'm going back to Kayleb Williams in this excerpt

438
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Speaker 4: because it was it was huge to me. But uh,

439
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Speaker 4: this is one of those things that I wondered because

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Speaker 4: I've never didn't play NFL football and have spent very

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Speaker 4: little time in a locker room or preparing to play

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Speaker 4: an NFL game. Sure, so when I hear somebody say

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Speaker 4: something like I had to watch tape all by myself,

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Speaker 4: and then I juxtaposed that with the Kyler Murray contract,

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Speaker 4: in which had ve that the clause is like you

446
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Speaker 4: need to watch.

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Speaker 3: More tape by your helf. Is this like it feels

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Speaker 3: like it's a much real by the way, keep going,

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, But it.

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Speaker 4: Feels like the headline of that is much bigger. I look,

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Speaker 4: I'm not defending Matti Ebraflus in that organization and that

452
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Speaker 4: whole situation. That feels like there might be taking unnecessary

453
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Speaker 4: shots though are No.

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Speaker 3: Well here's the.

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Speaker 8: Thing though with that, and and this is the problem

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Speaker 8: with that, the one insow I had with that being

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Speaker 8: put in there, Well, what's the context?

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Speaker 6: Did it? Like, how did this come about?

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Speaker 8: He just decided to watch film on his own and

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Speaker 8: not tell the coaches or did he did? He ask

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Speaker 8: and they said, hey, you know, we'll be with you

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Speaker 8: and then not show up. Like, there's just enough context

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Speaker 8: to that. If you're gonna put it in there, I

464
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Speaker 8: need to know everything because I know when I've done

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Speaker 8: it's not a hip piece. I thought that was very

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Speaker 8: well written what I read, and I'll probably wind up

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Speaker 8: reading the book. Seth is a I know Seth, he's

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Speaker 8: a really good writer, but I I just can't I

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Speaker 8: need context when you when you put something out like that,

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Speaker 8: because I know the way it is. I talked to coach,

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Speaker 8: you know, I know a lot of coaches. I know

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Speaker 8: things are done.

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Speaker 6: You just don't. You just don't not.

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Speaker 8: You're not you're going to know if a guy's watching tape. Okay,

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Speaker 8: that's not. There's zero chance that it happened with without.

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Speaker 6: The coaches knowing.

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Speaker 8: And by the way, they would want even if he's

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Speaker 8: going to go on his own, they're gonna help. They're

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Speaker 8: gonna he's gonna be taught how to watch tape. Again,

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Speaker 8: I don't. We don't have any context to it. It's

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Speaker 8: just thrown in there without and maybe in the book, folks, okay,

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Speaker 8: because this is just an expert you're talking about Martin.

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Speaker 8: Maybe in the book there's three pages on it. Well, again,

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Speaker 8: we don't. If I don't have it from it, I

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Speaker 8: can't really comment on it.

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Speaker 2: All right, Just the final follow up on where Martin's

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Speaker 2: been going with this. I mean it gets down to

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Speaker 2: the anti trust laws. We know that in any other business,

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Speaker 2: the drafts that we see in major team sports are

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Speaker 2: frankly illegal, but they're protected by these anti trust laws.

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Speaker 2: Can you ever see a time where the United States

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Speaker 2: government is going to say, you know what, these anti

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Speaker 2: trust laws do not apply to you the NFL, and

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Speaker 2: in essence would abolish the legality of a draft.

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Speaker 3: Do you ever see that time coming?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 8: Well, first of all, the draft's collectively bargain. I mean,

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Speaker 8: they've seems to be missed on people. That's definitely been bargained.

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Speaker 8: So I'm as far as it.

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Speaker 3: But you could take legal recourse. I mean, if someone

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Speaker 3: wanted to soon.

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Speaker 8: You could challenge it, but it's it's not gonna happen, Steve, though,

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Speaker 8: I just I find the whole thing comical. I've seen

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Speaker 8: a lot in my time twenty eight years of covering

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Speaker 8: this business, Steve. There's been some stuff over the years

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Speaker 8: that agents have tried to conspire with against clubs and

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Speaker 8: they and then they got caught and it never got out.

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Speaker 8: And there's just been some funny stuff that's going on

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Speaker 8: with agents because they just don't agree with the draft system.

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Speaker 6: But it's it's not going away.

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Speaker 2: So to answer your question, well, let me let me

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Speaker 2: ask you this, and just followed, I'm playing with you,

513
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Speaker 2: but imagine this. Let's say, and we'll use Kleb Williams

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Speaker 2: as an example. All Right, So he's drafted number one

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Speaker 2: over with the Bears, and then he strikes a deal

516
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Speaker 2: with another team even though they didn't draft him. He says, no,

517
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Speaker 2: this is the team I want to play for, and

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Speaker 2: they jump out of the fire amongst all the thirty

519
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Speaker 2: two teams said you know what, Yeah, we're going to

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Speaker 2: test it and we're gonna sign him even though we

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Speaker 2: didn't draft him and he's not our property.

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Speaker 3: What do you think would happen? What would what would

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Speaker 3: the next way?

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Speaker 6: Wait, so let's go back, So let's just say last year.

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Speaker 8: Right, he's like, I'm not going to Chicago, I'm just

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Speaker 8: going to sit the draft out. Well remember it now,

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Speaker 8: you correct me? Now you should know this because you're

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Speaker 8: with the Raiders. Then, yeah, so remind me now with

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Speaker 8: Bo Jackson, right, Bo Jackson was help the property of Tampa.

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Speaker 2: So he was the number one overall pick in the

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six draft by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, so

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Speaker 2: technically they owned his draft rights for the entire year

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Speaker 2: until the first big of the eighty seven draft happened. Right,

534
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Speaker 2: he had already said no, he was playing major league baseball,

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Speaker 2: But once that happened, once the nineteen eighty seven draft started,

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Speaker 2: he was back on the list.

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Speaker 3: If anybody wanted to.

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Speaker 6: That's that's why.

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Speaker 3: When that's what happened, then we.

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Speaker 2: I'll say that because that's when I was with the

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Speaker 2: LA Raiders. Drafted him in the seventh round.

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Speaker 8: And that's all he can do to answer your question

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Speaker 8: that that's why I brought it up.

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Speaker 6: If I was what you just said is what I thought.

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Speaker 6: But you're there, he.

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Speaker 2: Could sit it out. But I mean in the NBA side,

547
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Speaker 2: remember this about Larry Bird. Larry Bird was the sixth

548
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Speaker 2: overall pick the year before he actually started with the Celtics.

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Speaker 3: They took a flyer on him.

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Speaker 2: He decided to come back for one more year at

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Speaker 2: Indiana State, and they held his draft rights until the

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Speaker 2: next drafts started, and rd Auerbach was able to get

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Speaker 2: him into a deal before the next draft actually started.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise Lrie Bird would have gone back in the drafts.

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Speaker 8: Which is absolutely insane. I do remember that. I'm willough

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Speaker 8: to remember that.

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Speaker 6: That, Steve. It's a great subject. Caleb boy And by

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Speaker 6: the way, Caleb Williams made it.

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Speaker 8: Pretty clear he's happy to be there because Ben Johnson

560
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Speaker 8: is the head coach in the play caller. But I'm

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Speaker 8: telling you, Ben Johnson is voltil I mean to move

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Speaker 8: to be honestly, that's what I really meant.

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Speaker 6: That's come for people to.

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Speaker 3: Work with him.

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Speaker 8: He just had he'll get after it like he that's

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Speaker 8: the coaching term he could if he's if he's not

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Speaker 8: happy with you, you're going to know it. And I

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Speaker 8: I because Caleb Williams has a way of playing that's reckless.

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Speaker 8: He doesn't always play with instructure, and but he's super talented.

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Speaker 8: I'm very interesting see how this relationship is going to work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not putting a lot of money down on

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Speaker 3: the Bears this year.

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Speaker 2: I'm sort of a week over well, especially in that division.

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Speaker 3: Now, you know it's going to be rough. All right,

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Speaker 3: great stuff as always, Adam, I check in with you

576
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Speaker 3: next week.

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Speaker 2: There's Adam Kaplan, our Fox Sports Radio insider. Well, let's

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Speaker 2: find out what's trending right now. The man that opened

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Speaker 2: up that conversation sitting in two seats today, the great

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Speaker 2: Martin Weiss.

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Speaker 3: I love that. Sorry, same seat, two jobs. It'd be

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Speaker 3: a lot to like switch.

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Speaker 2: No, you know, I actually see you. You're in the

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Speaker 2: same seat technically, but I see you adjust your seat

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Speaker 2: differently when you're doing you know what's trending as opposed

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Speaker 2: to well, it's.

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Speaker 4: Because I'm not just thinking, I'm reading. I'm not trying

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Speaker 4: to conceptualize a take. Yes, you know, I'm just delivering

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Speaker 4: the news.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: The Indiana Fever beat the Chicago Sky today as a

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Speaker 4: w NBA tip off weekend and continues ninety three to

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Speaker 4: fifty the eighth. The final score. Caitlyn Clark led all

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Speaker 4: scores with twenty. She on six for thirteen from the

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Speaker 4: floor in thirty two minutes of faction. Angel Reese had

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Speaker 4: a twelve point seventeen rebound double double. Clark was whistled

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Speaker 4: for a flagrant one as Reese attempted a layup and

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Speaker 4: Caitlyn fouled her across the arms center to the floor

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Speaker 4: again flagrant one. After the game, just some context, Steve,

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Speaker 4: there you go, Angel Rees said, basketball play ref got

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Speaker 4: it right, Let's move on. Kate Len Clark also wanted

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Speaker 4: to move on, but in this shocking turn of events,

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Speaker 4: did not agree with the upgrade to the flagrant one.

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Speaker 4: So pretty much as you would expected out of both

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Speaker 4: sides from the postgame.

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Speaker 3: From the post game, now I know you.

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Speaker 4: Earlier today they said that Kate Len Clark started the WNBA.

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Speaker 3: Believe it or not.

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Speaker 4: There are two other teams that played today, the Liberty

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Speaker 4: and the Aces. Back to the defending championship.

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Speaker 2: Actually, didn't they play yesterday? Didn't the Sparks play yesterday?

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Speaker 3: The Sparks played yesterday.

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Speaker 4: But the Plumb had what she had thirty against the

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Speaker 4: Golden State Valkyries. Maybe katele Clark and say she started

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Speaker 4: that team because that team did not exist.

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Speaker 2: TI if you want to break down Kelsey Plumb, I'll

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Speaker 2: go all day.

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Speaker 4: See that was the most in any season opener by

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Speaker 4: any WNBA player Asan Wilson at thirty one today, brown

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Speaker 4: A Stewart twenty five, Brock Purdy got a lot richer

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Speaker 4: five years twenty six, and I'm sorry two hundred and

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Speaker 4: sixty five there. That's how you read that number. Million

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Speaker 4: dollar deal one hundred and eighty one million guaranteed that

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Speaker 4: Baltimore Orioles fired their manager, Brandon Hyde. They are fifteen

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Speaker 4: and twenty nine. They lost today to the Nationals. The

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Speaker 4: Mets beat the Yankees three to two. Francisco Lindor with

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Speaker 4: a sackfly at the top of the ninth inning. Blue

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Speaker 4: Jays walk off the Tigers two to one. Oh, you

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Speaker 4: know what I gave. Baltimore lost too early. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: It's seven to two in the bottom of the ninth

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Speaker 4: inning with one out and one on, so.

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Speaker 2: No clock, pitching clock. But that's the thing about baseball.

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Speaker 2: You can have miracle comeback.

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Speaker 3: She can't.

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Speaker 2: You know, you can't win an NBA game when you're

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Speaker 2: down twenty with ten seconds left.

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Speaker 3: Game's over. You know you think so.

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Speaker 4: But the way that the Knicks ran last night, they

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Speaker 4: kept it brunted and cat and all those guys out

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Speaker 4: there for pudible.

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Speaker 2: Save that for a second, because they got to remind

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Speaker 2: everyone once again. This is Fox Sports Saturday, Hartman and

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Speaker 2: We're going to check in with our NBA insider Mark

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Speaker 2: Medena coming up in the next hour, so I was

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Speaker 2: sitting here three weeks ago with Olden Polonies, and we

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Speaker 2: are looking ahead to the second round of the NBA playoffs,

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Speaker 2: and I asked them about the Knicks Celtics series, and

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Speaker 2: without hesitation.

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Speaker 3: Olden says, I like the Knicks in the series. I

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Speaker 3: was taken back.

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Speaker 2: I go give me some reasons here, and he says, I,

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Speaker 2: you know again, the Celtics are a live and die

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Speaker 2: by the three point shot, and the Knicks are a

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Speaker 2: better than average defensive team, and they have a guy

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Speaker 2: that was voted the clutch Player of the Year, and

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Speaker 2: obviously they got a big that made a big difference,

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Speaker 2: and and by the way, a trade that benefited both teams.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be ironic if the Knicks ended up against

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Speaker 2: the Minnesota Timberwolves in the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 3: It's a very real possibility. Sure, But now that we are.

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Speaker 2: Where we are, you remember, you remember how we were

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Speaker 2: talking about this Martin before the NBA playoffs began.

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Speaker 3: He had the two one seeds Cleveland and OKC.

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Speaker 2: And you're like that that would not be a match

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Speaker 2: up the NBA Final once. Okay, let's let's face it,

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Speaker 2: Cleveland and OKC.

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Speaker 3: Is not the kind of man, they're they're looking Celtics

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Speaker 3: Lakers and you and you mean that in term of

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Speaker 3: the market sizes.

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Speaker 2: Market size exactly, you know, and people you know cure it.

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Speaker 2: And then I'm like, you want a worst matchup than that?

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Speaker 2: Try Indiana, Minnesota, Try Pacers, t wells. Now, I'm not

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Speaker 2: talking about from a basketball perspective.

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Speaker 3: You and I would sit there and say that there's

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Speaker 3: a lot to like.

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Speaker 2: In fact, these two teams probably play the best basketball

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Speaker 2: so far in this postseason. And both these teams were

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Speaker 2: in the conference finals a year ago, so it's not

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Speaker 2: like they came out of nowhere. They're exactly where they

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Speaker 2: were a year ago. But you know, for the outsider

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Speaker 2: looking in, not exactly a marquee matchup Indiana and Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: But now with the Knicks, who've had two trips to

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Speaker 2: the NBA Finals since winning their last championship in nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy three, there was ninety four chorus the famous seven

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Speaker 2: games showdown the Bronco Chase Finals that we remember with

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Speaker 2: the OJ Bronco Chase at interrupted the NBA Finals matchup

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Speaker 2: when the Knicks lost to Houston and seven, and then

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Speaker 2: of course ninety nine, which is the asterisk fifty game

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Speaker 2: season when they got blown out by the San Antono Spirts.

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Speaker 2: That's it for the Knicks in terms of a trip.

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Speaker 2: So how much do you think the NBA office is

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Speaker 2: pray right now that the New York Knicks can get

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Speaker 2: past the Pacers and be there in the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 4: See I generally I hear what you're saying in terms

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Speaker 4: of the ratings and so on, right, but I just

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Speaker 4: think it's such a defeatist conversation. If I'm the league,

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Speaker 4: if I'm the league, honestly, what I do want, I

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Speaker 4: want Minnesota and Indiana in part because what we need

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Speaker 4: at this point in the NBA we need more main characters,

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Speaker 4: the main characters of the league. Like if you consider

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Speaker 4: the NBA like a movie or a play, right, all

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Speaker 4: the lead stars are over thirty five. We need players

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Speaker 4: that are gonna come in and take the mantle. That's

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Speaker 4: the Anthony Edwards of the world. That's the Tyrees Halliburtons

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Speaker 4: of the world. Jason Tatum and I know, you know,

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Speaker 4: obviously with his achilles injuries a little bit different, but

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Speaker 4: he won that title and it doesn't have necessary He

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Speaker 4: did not have the resonance that even a guy like

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Speaker 4: Tyrese Halliburton overrate that. Right, he keeps talking, he keeps having,

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Speaker 4: like his play and his attitude to me is a

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Speaker 4: type that will rise through and cut through basically mark

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Speaker 4: things like market size.

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Speaker 3: And the reason I say that is like, if.

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Speaker 4: You look at the NFL, the Giants terrible, right, have

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Speaker 4: been terrible for the last fifteen years, doesn't matter. You

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Speaker 4: look at Buffalo play Baltimore. Everybody's into it. Why is

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Speaker 4: everyone into it? It's not because Buffalo has great wings

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Speaker 4: and Baltimore has a beautiful harbor, right, is because they

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Speaker 4: have two main character, top of the line stars at

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Speaker 4: big positions.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 2: We were there when Giannis won his championship, right, We

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Speaker 2: were saying, Okay, this guy's been an MVP a couple

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Speaker 2: of times, and all of a sudden he wins the championship.

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Speaker 2: Then we had the same situation with the Okich he

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Speaker 2: had won a couple MVPs, wins a championship.

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Speaker 3: Did that raise the Did that help the league?

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Speaker 2: At Giannis finally win a championship in Milwaukee or Yoki

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Speaker 2: wins a championship in Denver, I dare say not.

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Speaker 3: If the niggas want to.

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Speaker 4: Win a championship or to do that would be the

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Speaker 4: personality of those guys.

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Speaker 3: Then you're the NBA. You the market size is critical.

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Speaker 2: The NBA needs the Lakers to be relevant, They need

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Speaker 2: the Celtics to be relevant, and if they can make

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Speaker 2: the Knicks relevant. This has been the most mishandled franchise

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Speaker 2: in the NBA over the last twenty years, and all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, the cards are falling their way and

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Speaker 2: they got a great opportunity to win a championship. You

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Speaker 2: know how big it would be for the NBA if

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Speaker 2: the New York Knicks won their first championship since Nixon

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Speaker 2: was president.

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Speaker 4: I know, I still stand they need a charismatic star.

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Speaker 4: Jalen Brunson, as great as he is, is not making anybody.

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Speaker 4: Even last night at the during the postgame press conference,

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Speaker 4: Lisa assaulters, Jalen, you guys are going to the conference finals.

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Speaker 3: You have a really excited to get it. We're gonna right.

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Speaker 2: Thing, Anthony Dress, is that when we are we saying

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Speaker 2: this about do you agree with me when we say

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Speaker 2: it's got to be an American player.

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Speaker 3: I thinks it's not necessarily has.

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Speaker 4: To be an American player. I think Luka Donci has

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Speaker 4: had the potential. I think because of the way he plays.

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Speaker 4: That's what I think it is. It's the way. It's

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Speaker 4: the style of play. On top of the attitude. Gianni's

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Speaker 4: is too brute force. Jokis doesn't have the attitude right.

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Speaker 4: Jokis doesn't have any care to do it. Like if

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Speaker 4: Yokis even cared a little bit outside of what actually

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Speaker 4: happens on the ninety four feet it'd be him.

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Speaker 3: He just doesn't have the interest in it. I think

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Speaker 3: it has to be an American. I'll go back to tennis.

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Speaker 2: The Williams sisters were bigger stars in this country than

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Speaker 2: Federer and Nadal and Djokovic because they were American. I

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Speaker 2: don't think they're in my opinion, the Williams sisters were

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Speaker 2: bigger stars than the top three players arguably in the

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Speaker 2: history of men's tennis in this country I'm not talking

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Speaker 2: about worldwide in this country because of their American heritage.

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Speaker 3: I think we like American born players to do well.

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Speaker 4: I agree with that, and I agree with that premise,

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Speaker 4: but I think there's a lot more to see the

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Speaker 4: story of Serena and Venus also because not only are

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Speaker 4: the American, but how many Black Americans at that point

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Speaker 4: in time.

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Speaker 3: We're blazing up the charts in that way. So there's's

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Speaker 3: a lot of layers.

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Speaker 2: But I think again, their American heritage made them even

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Speaker 2: that much more popular than the three most dominant men

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Speaker 2: in men's tennis history. Off of the tennis because on

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Speaker 2: the other side, well, we got this BGA Championship going

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Speaker 2: on right now. I would like to get a little

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Speaker 2: bit into the relevance here. By the way, Scotty Scheffler

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Speaker 2: has taken the league. There's another great guy to talk about, right,

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Speaker 2: Does he have star power? His dominance in his sport

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Speaker 2: actually translate into eyeballs.

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Speaker 3: We'll break it down for you. This is spot a

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Speaker 3: Fox Sports Saturday.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio, Harvin and Weiss.

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Speaker 3: Here Fox Sports Saturday.

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Speaker 2: We are live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. All right, Martin,

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Speaker 2: So right now, Scotty Scheffler has a one shot lead

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Speaker 2: heading into the final couple holes here the third round

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Speaker 2: of the PGA Championship.

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Speaker 3: Here's a staff for you.

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Speaker 2: Since they created the World Golf rankings going back to

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Speaker 2: the mid nineteen eighties, only one golfer Tiger Woods twice

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Speaker 2: has held on to the number one ranking for more

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Speaker 2: consecutive weeks than Scotty Scheffler has going on right now.

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Speaker 2: So again it comes down to style versus substance. Some

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Speaker 2: have both, you know, Jordan had both, Tiger had both.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's when you get that rarefied air kayln

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Speaker 2: Clark style plus substance, and then all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: you're going into the mega universe. But can a guy

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Speaker 2: like Scotti Scheffer the way he plays the game technically

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Speaker 2: as sound as any golfer that has ever played. Some

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Speaker 2: of his technical stats from a year ago, we're literally

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Speaker 2: at the level that Tiger was at the peak of

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Speaker 2: his career. If this guy goes on to win this

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Speaker 2: PGA and when starts winning maybe a major every year,

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Speaker 2: starts piling them up because of his demeanor where he

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Speaker 2: carries himself. Could Scotty Scheffler ever be a true star

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Speaker 2: coming out of the game of golf?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: Like I think like a star, I'll say, you say,

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Speaker 4: coming out of the game of golf.

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Speaker 3: I think he's already a start in. Can his stardom

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Speaker 3: transcend golf? That is what I'm asking No, not unless

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Speaker 3: he starts dating, Like, I don't know Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 2: He's married, got a kid, He's a very middle of

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Speaker 2: the road guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see.

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Speaker 2: Even if this guy rattles off ten majors like, it's

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Speaker 2: not going to be enough.

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Speaker 4: He'll be remembered as one of the best golfers of

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Speaker 4: all time for sure. But in my opinion, in order

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Speaker 4: to transcend your you know, your profession, it's got to

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Speaker 4: be about your personality. It's got to be a because

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Speaker 4: people like, if you're not watching golf already, you don't

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Speaker 4: know who Scotty Scheffler is. You got to find out

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Speaker 4: who Scotty Scheffler is some other type of way, and

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Speaker 4: then you do, then you tune in to watch the

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Speaker 4: great news. Do Shambo have that he's got the potential?

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Speaker 4: Like now you rip off of those wins with his

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Speaker 4: YouTube person on social media stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure. And he's very conscious of the crowd.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that Scotty isn't, but you see the

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Speaker 2: Shambo taking that extra time.

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Speaker 3: He understands the crowd and everything else. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. I think that's a lot of it.

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of athletes when some athletes truly

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Speaker 4: understand that this is all entertainment, and you are one

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Speaker 4: of the A one, top of the line entertainers. And

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Speaker 4: some people just do it by do it with what

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Speaker 4: they do on the field and on the corridor and

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Speaker 4: the fairways and so on. Some do it everywhere.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting about Rory McElroy because we're all on the

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Speaker 2: edge of our seat at that masters of what was

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Speaker 2: at stake and all the drama. He wins it, he loses,

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Speaker 2: he wins, he loses all the way to the finish line.

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Speaker 2: But now that he's done it, I just feel like

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Speaker 2: the airs out of the balloon.

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Speaker 3: As far as interests with Roy McElroy, I mean, you

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Speaker 3: got to catch me at another moment like that. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 3: all right?

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Speaker 2: Coming up on the next out, we got a lot

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Speaker 2: more NBA playoff news to get to.

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Speaker 3: This is Fox Sports Saturday.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 2: Rolling along here on a fully loaded Sports Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Fox Sports Saturday.

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Speaker 2: We're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna break down more of these NBA playoffs and Mark Medena,

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Speaker 2: our NBA insider, coming up here in about twenty minutes.

873
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,479
Speaker 2: As we will wait Game seven tomorrow between the Denver

874
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: Nuggets and the Oklahoma City Thunder. Speaking of that game, Martin,

875
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 2: I really don't have a feel for that game. I mean,

876
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: I've been pretty consistent in my defense of OKAC. I

877
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: think they are the deepest team. There's a reason they

878
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 2: won sixty eight games. But they haven't played great. They

879
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: haven't taken their game to the next level during this postseason.

880
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 2: I think just their talent alone has sort of gotten

881
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: them here. I don't know about you, but I look

882
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: at this game tomorrow and I think it's a coin toss.

883
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: Man.

884
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: I would not be shocked if Denver comes away with

885
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: a victory on the road. Now, remember last year, of course,

886
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: Denver had that home game against Minnesota, Game seven, and

887
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,479
Speaker 2: everyone expected the Nuggets to win that game.

888
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: They were big in the second half.

889
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: Well, then then Minnesota had the big second half comeback

890
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: to advance to the conference finals. So I don't know,

891
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: you know, what happened to Denver last year could be

892
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: the reverse this year.

893
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: I don't know. What do you think.

894
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 4: I felt much more, much more better. Come on, Martin,

895
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 4: I have a master's degree. I felt a lot better

896
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 4: about Denver when Aaron Gordon's hamstring felt a lot better

897
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 4: to him. My concern with that disappointment to Denver Nuggets

898
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 4: playoff Steve. They say, you know, you play seven guys,

899
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 4: trust six or you play six guys trust five. The

900
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 4: Nuggets are down to three and a half players, right,

901
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 4: and Michael Porter, Julia God blessed them.

902
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 3: Of course one of them is Jokis.

903
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 4: No, that's like multiple players, but like Michael Porter, Julia

904
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 4: God blessed them, can't hit the brass out of a.

905
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 3: Bar and he's out.

906
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 4: He's like, if this was January, he'd be sitting. He

907
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 4: wouldn't be playing, you know. And if Julian straw The

908
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 4: doesn't come in in that game six and have those

909
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 4: eight to ten points at the end of the third

910
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 4: quarter when Jokis was on the bench, this thing's probably

911
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 4: over already. That being said, the thing with the thunder,

912
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 4: they don't have a quality secondary score. If Shae is

913
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 4: not getting to the free throw line, that and that.

914
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 3: Is they do have another All Star.

915
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 4: I said what I said, and I heard what you said,

916
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 4: but I said what I said.

917
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 3: They don't have another option. If Shae is not getting

918
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: to the free throw line. That's so so many prerequisites

919
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: to be able to score.

920
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 4: You know what I need If I'm the Nuggets need

921
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 4: Jamal Murray and nicolea Yaks have gas left in it

922
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 4: take in the fourth quarter. That's what I need to

923
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 4: be able to generate fourth quarter offense. If I'm Denver,

924
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 4: if I'm Okac is a little different, that's the thing

925
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 4: that gives me the cost for concern. Okay, she's the

926
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 4: better team, but that doesn't matter in this kind of

927
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 4: this one.

928
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: Game now, a very curious decision by the NBA. So

929
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: we thought that the NBA Most Valuable Player was going

930
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: to be announced before Game five of this series between

931
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: the Nuggets and the Oklahoma City Thunder.

932
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 3: It was a two to two series at that point.

933
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: Okase was at home and we know that Shay Gildess

934
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: Alexander is going to be named the league's MVP. It

935
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: seemed like the perfect spot, right, So you give the

936
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: award Den before the game, hometown crowd. It's all excited

937
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: and everything else, and really no harm done as far

938
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: as the game itself because it's a two to two series.

939
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 2: And then that came. The game came and went, and

940
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: we're still waiting on the MVP. Now what are you

941
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: gonna give MVP game seven? And think about this, if

942
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 2: you were to parade out the MVP award, the commissioner

943
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: and everything else to present it before the game, to

944
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: shake Gildess Alexander, how much of a motivation is that

945
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: for the Nuggets and Yokich saying you got that one wrong,

946
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: We got the MVP over here.

947
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 3: I don't think it would serve OKC.

948
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: Well, and then if they decide, well, we're gonna wait

949
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: till what Oklahoma City loses game seven at home?

950
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: Then what are you gonna do?

951
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 2: You're gonna hand shake gildesss MVP in an empty room

952
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 2: after they've lost a seven game series. And the Denver

953
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: Nuggets what they should do, should have done is given

954
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 2: it before game five.

955
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 3: It made sense. Well, you know what we're passed to.

956
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: Let's do it now? Oh do it now? Well to

957
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 3: do it? Oh right tomorrow, pre game set to stage.

958
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 4: Everybody knows that this is the MVP and the best

959
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 4: player in the league playing against each other.

960
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 3: We all know it. Let's lean into it, build the fight.

961
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 4: And you know what I'm saying, sga vers joke And

962
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 4: you know what, oh gosh, somebody's been saying it on

963
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 4: TV all week, but it was very similar to when

964
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 4: was it David Robinson won the MVP and Hakeem Elijah

965
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 4: wan up the floor with them in a Game seven.

966
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 3: This is entertainment. People give the MVP that let's see

967
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: if you can live up to it. See.

968
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball in some ways has always done it right.

969
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: All of these awards and the team sports are voted

970
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 2: on the last day of the regular season. And by

971
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: the way, I've never been one of those. Well they

972
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: should wait till aft of the playoffs. No, no, no, no,

973
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: You've got separate awards for the playoffs.

974
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 3: You got an NBA Finals MVP.

975
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: I don't think that I should have any fluence influence

976
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: on a regular season award. These are regular season awards.

977
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: But in Major League Baseball they don't give out any

978
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: of these awards until the World Series is over. They

979
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: don't do it during the playoffs. And the NBA has

980
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 2: done that, and the NFL used to do that. Now

981
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 2: of course they have like the NFL Honors Show where

982
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's right before the Super Bowl and

983
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: everything else, but baseball waits till after and then afterwards

984
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: you like, go, wow, that guy had a terrible postseason. Yeah,

985
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: but it's to disrupt sort of that postseason flow. We

986
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 2: always go back to when Dirk Novisky won his MVP

987
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: award and they went down in flames in the first

988
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: round of the playoffs, and it just it was very,

989
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: very awkward. Well, they could be facing another awkward if

990
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: they don't give it to Shay Gildess Alexander before tomorrow's

991
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: game and they lose.

992
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: You missed the moment, face, You look stupid.

993
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's an insult to the OKC fans because

994
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: their guy was the most viable player. He should be

995
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: able to celebrate that moment in front of his hometown fan.

996
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 3: I get I'm telling you.

997
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 4: I'm telling you at this point you got a blessing

998
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 4: that this thing didn't end in six. Give it to

999
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 4: him pregame Game seven, do it on the court. I

1000
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 4: want to see all of it. Like we gotta like,

1001
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 4: how many more Game sevens are we going Not to

1002
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 4: say how many more we gonna see, obviously the number

1003
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 4: could be infinite, But like a series like this the

1004
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 4: way it's been, especially with the storylines, young OKC team

1005
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 4: with the MVP uh trying to break through, took their

1006
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 4: lumps in this in this round last year with a

1007
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 4: team in Yokics that is literally, like Jokic says, listen,

1008
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 4: get in my back, get on the llbing in my back,

1009
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 4: because we are going. I don't care how many people

1010
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 4: I got with me. We're all going cause they they

1011
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 4: fired the head coach and the GM Steve.

1012
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 3: He's in the huddle running time out.

1013
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,959
Speaker 4: Steve, Like, dude, we haven't seen something like this before

1014
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 4: an NBA.

1015
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: With discount Russell Westbrook. He's like in the mix, right,

1016
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 2: they're coaching as well.

1017
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 3: I would sah. That's the other thing.

1018
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 4: How about good Russ ran out about Game three and

1019
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 4: it's just been That's why I said it down to

1020
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 4: like three and a half players, because Russ was playing

1021
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 4: for him in the first ten games of the playoffs

1022
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 4: and it's been like dangerous to play him at some

1023
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 4: points in time through four, five, and six.

1024
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: If you're a Nuggets fan, The fact that Shay Gildis

1025
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: will win the MVP over Jokis, despite the fact that

1026
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: this has been statistically speaking, the best year of Jokich's

1027
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: amazing career. Remember the only other time he didn't win

1028
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: the MVP over the last five years, they went on

1029
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: to win the championship, So that could be a good

1030
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: omen if indeed they hand the MVP Award to shake

1031
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: Gildess Alexander, this would be amazing if the Nuggets. Can

1032
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 2: you imagine if the Nuggets ran the table from this

1033
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: point on? I mean, maybe they get some healthy bodies back.

1034
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1035
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 4: That's what makes it very hard to imagine, is just

1036
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 4: I just can't unless Julian's strawler turns into like a

1037
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:03,479
Speaker 4: thirty five a minute guy.

1038
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: So are you saying, let me ask you this, do

1039
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: you believe the Minnesota Timberwolves, who basically blew through the

1040
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: Lakers and blew through Golden State? Granted Steph Curry was out,

1041
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: are they the team to beat in the West right now?

1042
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: Regardless of who wins this game tomorrow, even with ok

1043
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 2: sixty eight wins, have you seen more from Minnesota in

1044
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 2: this postseason than you have from ok SE?

1045
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 3: I have.

1046
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 4: The tough part about Minnesota is I feel like they

1047
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 4: haven't played a really good, solid four quarters of basketball

1048
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 4: in a row since the first round of the playoffs.

1049
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 4: And part of it, I think you bank in that

1050
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 4: Steph gets hurt, right, So when Steph gets hurt, It

1051
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 4: not only obviously impacts the Warriors massively, but the Timberwolves

1052
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 4: are preparing for a world with Steph Curry, and when

1053
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 4: he's not there anymore, I think it changes their entire

1054
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 4: playing defensively.

1055
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: That's sort of what happened to the Knicks, and after

1056
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: you know, you ate and one down and then they underestimated.

1057
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 2: The Celtics got blown out in that fourth exactly Boston.

1058
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 4: And I think it's a little bit of underestimation, but

1059
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 4: also too players.

1060
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 3: People aren't where they're supposed to be.

1061
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 4: Like I grew up in Louisiana, and every time there'd

1062
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 4: be a big flood, you really couldn't go outside for

1063
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 4: a couple of days because all of the habitats, the snakes,

1064
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 4: the animals, the alligators, whatever, they all are now effectively homeless.

1065
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 3: They have to find their new homes.

1066
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 4: You might end up with a stake in the garage,

1067
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 4: an alligator in the backyard.

1068
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: That's what happens. You end up with Derek White with

1069
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 3: thirty five points. You know what I'm saying.

1070
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 4: It's part of the reason because Jason Tatum is not

1071
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 4: in the lineup. You see Pat Spencer play twenty minutes

1072
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 4: in a playoff game that was not part of the plan.

1073
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 4: But to the point, at this point, Game one of

1074
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 4: whoever Minnesota plays, is gonna show me a lot because

1075
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 4: there's two reads of how this.

1076
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 3: Thing has been going.

1077
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 4: Anthony Edwards is being blanked terrible and the Timberwolves have

1078
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 4: kept winning.

1079
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 3: Or Anthony Edwards has been.

1080
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 4: Saving himself to an aspect, right, because this is the

1081
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 4: round last year where he ran out of gas, right,

1082
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 4: and it was very public, ran out of gas, talked

1083
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 4: about running out of gas. It's Game one of this

1084
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 4: year's gonna show me a lot because I think the

1085
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 4: Timberwolves need to show why they're the most talent. I

1086
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 4: think they have to show that they're serious enough to

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Speaker 4: win this thing.

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Speaker 2: All Right, We're gonna get another voice in here on

1089
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 2: what's gonna go on with Game seven, Why the delay

1090
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 2: on this NBA MVP and who will emerge out of

1091
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 2: the East. Will it be the Pacers or the New

1092
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Speaker 2: York Knicks. We'll break it down with our insider Mark Medina.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Saturday, Steve.

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00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 2: Birdie and he will go into the final round of

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Speaker 2: the PGA Championship with a three shot lead. Remember his

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Speaker 2: last tournament he won by eight shots. So Scotty Scheffler,

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Speaker 2: who was the pre tournament favorite, now looks like he's

1109
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 2: on the verge of running away with his third career

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00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: major championship.

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00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens tomorrow.

1112
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 2: In the meantime, we get ready for a game seven

1113
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: tomorrow and the NBA, and breaking it all down is

1114
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: our NBA insider, the man that knows how to.

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00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 3: Break it down like no other, the great Mark Medina.

1116
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 2: So Mark, we look at this game seven tomorrow between

1117
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: the Nuggets and OKC. And a little side note, why

1118
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: have they not given out the MVP award? I mean,

1119
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 2: it just seemed so logical that it should have been

1120
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: before Game five because we know Shay Gildess Alexander is

1121
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 2: going to win it. It would have been a nice thing.

1122
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: It was a two to two series. You know, he

1123
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 2: gets the award before the game and then you go

1124
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: on to play out the series. But if you if

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00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: you don't give it to him tomorrow and then Denver wins,

1126
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: what are you gonna give it to him behind the

1127
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 2: scenes instead of in front of the hometown fans. What

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00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: is the NBA thinking right now with holding back on

1129
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 2: giving Shay Gildess Alexander's MVP award? Or are they going

1130
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 2: to give it before Game seven tomorrow, which by the way,

1131
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: would make a great motivator for Yokich and the Denver Nuggets.

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00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 5: I see, If I'm with you, I think they should

1133
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 5: give it out before Game seven because it could be

1134
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 5: motivation for either side or both. But I think usually

1135
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 5: what happens is they announced the regular season MVP Award

1136
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 5: before the NBA Finals starts. But I always had a problem, Steve,

1137
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 5: not just the NBA MVP award, but all the award

1138
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 5: or instat it's a regular season award and they drag

1139
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 5: it out for the postseason, and some fans and voters

1140
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,439
Speaker 5: get confused on what this all means. And so as

1141
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 5: the pertain to the thunder and Nuggets, it's very weird

1142
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 5: to have this coincide because before this whole series started,

1143
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 5: even though Nakole yokich one MVP the thunder Work scene

1144
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 5: as the prevailing favorite team. Same thing with Shake Gildis Alexander.

1145
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 5: Now the context kind of changes because the playoffs have changed. So, Yeah,

1146
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,720
Speaker 5: a lot of things that Adam Silver needs to address

1147
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 5: and not a lot of time to do it.

1148
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 3: Speaking a lot of time.

1149
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 4: Is Eric Gordon's hamstringth gonna be good enough to be

1150
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 4: for How's it going to impact him in this Game seven?

1151
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 4: Because to me, it's like the Nuggets simply ran out

1152
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 4: of time, They just run out of bodies.

1153
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, without a doubt he he can't play tomorrow. That's

1154
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 5: what David Adaman said that the Nuggets coach now ham

1155
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 5: Spring injuries, as you know, are dicey here, as we

1156
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 5: saw with Steph Curry with missing you know all but

1157
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 5: game one of the Warriors playoffs series, and we know

1158
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 5: how that went. But the thing that we have to

1159
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 5: keep in mind with Aaron Gordon is it's not a

1160
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 5: strained hamstring yet, but it could be there, so they

1161
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 5: have to be very careful with. If he is good

1162
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 5: enough to play and it's a pain tolerance issue, he'll

1163
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 5: go out there. But the problem with most hamstring injuries

1164
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 5: is that's not a pain tolerant issue. It's a structural part.

1165
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 5: So he went through all walk through. He's expected to

1166
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 5: play because it hadn't been completely strained yet, but this

1167
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 5: is very subject to change.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's been an interesting postseason, right I mean we're

1169
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: sitting here potentially. I mean, if Denver pulls off the

1170
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: upset tomorrow on the road top two season, both conferences

1171
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: will be all gone heading into the conference finals. I guess,

1172
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 2: in some ways, why should we be surprised about Indiana

1173
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: Minnesota being here?

1174
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Speaker 3: They were there a year ago.

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Speaker 2: I mean, both teams are exactly where they were a

1176
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 2: year ago heading into the conference finals. But I want

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00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 2: to I want to focus on the East right now

1178
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 2: because the New York Knicks have changed the whole dynamic,

1179
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 2: and Martin and I were getting into this because Martin

1180
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 2: is one of those guys that says, you know, from

1181
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 2: a basketball standpoint, I really appreciate a potential Pacers Timberwolves final.

1182
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 2: I think the NBA would be it would be a

1183
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 2: nightmare matchup, not because they don't have great teams that

1184
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 2: aren't deserving. It's just not going to bring eyeballs. If

1185
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: you got two franchises that have never won an NBA

1186
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: championship out of the Midwest hooked up in the NBA Finals,

1187
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 2: it would just seem to me either desperate for the

1188
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: Knicks to finally break through after all these years they

1189
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 2: haven't won a championship since Nixon was president president, how

1190
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 2: big would this be? Seriously, if the New York Knicks

1191
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 2: ran the table and won the NBA Championship, what kind

1192
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 2: of impact would that have on the NBA as a whole.

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00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 5: Oh, it'll be huge because as you metched and they

1194
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 5: haven't sniffed a lot of success championship success since the seventies.

1195
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 5: They were respectable in the nineties but came close in

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00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 5: the finals twice but never won. And even though in

1197
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 5: today's NBA they say they want competitive balance and parody,

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00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 5: I mean they have made rules to make it so

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00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 5: it's more competitively balanced. There hasn't been a repeat champion

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00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 5: since the Warriors did in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen.

1201
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 5: They like when big market teams and big market stars

1202
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 5: are in the final stages because it's bigger ratings. Even

1203
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 5: though this doesn't directly correlate with revenue, it has a

1204
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 5: trickle down effect. And so yeah, the New York Knicks,

1205
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 5: the star power, the fact that Jalen Brunson has continued

1206
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 5: to be a great player down the clutch, Tom Thibodeau

1207
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 5: having a coaching redemption, and the fact that the Knicks

1208
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 5: have been seen as a punching punchline for so long.

1209
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 5: All that will be much more exciting than seeing you know,

1210
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 5: a small market Indiana Pacers team get to the finals

1211
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 5: or you know, Glohoma City or Minnesota battling it out.

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00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 4: I do want to ask though, with that concept, right

1214
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 4: we you've talked about Me and Steve were talking about

1215
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 4: this earlier with like the concept of face of the

1216
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 4: league is.

1217
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 3: Kind of the catch all way to talk about it.

1218
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 4: But we've saw Giannis winning championship didn't quite take everything over,

1219
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 4: so Yoka's winning championship couldn't be less interested in taking

1220
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 4: over things from the media side of things, and you know,

1221
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 4: saying that kind of thing with guys like Anthony Edwards

1222
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,439
Speaker 4: and Tyrese Haliburton and the Knicks on that side of things.

1223
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 3: I really feel like the NBA can't lose.

1224
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 4: In terms of the way that these the last four teams,

1225
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 4: whoever those four teams are actually going to be there's

1226
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 4: something to look at for all of them in terms

1227
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 4: of this is going to be good for us going forward.

1228
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 5: No, that's a good point, Marn. I mean, I think

1229
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 5: the NBA would never admit this, but they had their

1230
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 5: you know, preference, it would be New York because it's

1231
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 5: a bigger audience straw. But I think that the thing

1232
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 5: is there are a lot of reasons to still tune in,

1233
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 5: and some of it has to do with those young

1234
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 5: rising stars. And I think that the context of trying

1235
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 5: to find a face of the league is much different

1236
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 5: than when Giannis was having that thrown upon him after

1237
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 5: he won a championship, simply because you look at the

1238
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 5: faces of the past generation. Now they're very close to

1239
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 5: being on their way out, with Lebron James, Kevin Durant,

1240
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 5: Steph Curry. They're all expected to be back next season.

1241
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 5: It's not like any of them are going on farewell

1242
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 5: tours next season either, but you know their days are numbered,

1243
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 5: and so I think there is you know, a lot

1244
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 5: of push pull on what will the NBA look like

1245
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 5: when all three of those players retire, Because they play

1246
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 5: at a high level, they are rating shrows. We know

1247
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 5: what it was like post NBA when Michael Jordan retired.

1248
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 5: There was not only a talent vacuum, but just a

1249
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 5: leadership marketability vacuum. And so even though the NBA they're

1250
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 5: checking all the boxes as far as new TV right steal,

1251
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 5: they're not hurting for cash. They're getting a lot of revenue.

1252
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 5: Even if you know linear TV ratings I've been on

1253
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 5: the decline, digitals always high. They need to have those

1254
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 5: generational stars that are ready to pick up the mantle,

1255
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 5: and we've seen signs of it, but not quite enough.

1256
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 5: And the playoffs are the biggest stage to show if

1257
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 5: they're ready to make that next step.

1258
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,959
Speaker 2: All right, let's go back to the Celtics, a team

1259
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: I didn't buy going into this season. You know a

1260
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 2: lot of people just conceded the Eastern Conference championship to

1261
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 2: them before the playoffs began. I'll admit I'm a lifetime

1262
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 2: Celtic hater, so I couldn't be happier that the Celtics

1263
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 2: are gone.

1264
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 3: But they got some big questions.

1265
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, you now have Jason Tatum coming off

1266
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 2: in Achilles, so that the timetable in his return is

1267
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 2: very much up in the air. But they've got some

1268
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 2: cap situations facing them. Just how different could this Celtic

1269
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 2: team look next season.

1270
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Derek White hit on the head when

1271
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 5: he was lamenting after they lost the series. It's like,

1272
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 5: this same team isn't coming back. And maybe that sounds

1273
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 5: dramatic because they won the championship last year, but I

1274
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,439
Speaker 5: think he should have speaking in the reality that when

1275
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 5: you're a team that falls the low expectations, you're having

1276
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 5: health concerns moving forward and there's a lot of you know,

1277
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 5: salary cap management that you alluded to. Changes inevitably are

1278
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 5: going to be made. Now Jason Tatum is not going anywhere,

1279
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 5: but this is the biggest question mark. He's expected to

1280
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 5: come back at some point next season, but with the

1281
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 5: exception of Dominique Wilkins, there's literally been no player in

1282
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 5: the history of the NBA that has been a better

1283
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 5: player post Achilles. There's a lot of comeback stories, but

1284
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 5: not for the better. So that's point number one. What

1285
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 5: will Jason Tatum look like? Will he's still be one

1286
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 5: of those star players? And then two, what do they

1287
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 5: do with all their role players? I think that you know,

1288
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 5: when you're looking from a contract standpoint, they have Jalen Brown,

1289
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 5: they have Derek White, they don't have to make decisions

1290
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 5: on them, But what about players like Chris as Porzingis,

1291
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 5: Drew Holliday. They're all great players, but this group underachieved

1292
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 5: and they do have to make as their resources. So

1293
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 5: I expect that Christoph Borzingis Andrew Holliday will be traded

1294
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 5: in some fashion. I don't know what it's going to

1295
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 5: look like, but I think when you're looking at the

1296
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 5: big picture, guys, there's a strong expectation around the league

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Speaker 5: and there's gonna be a lot of player movement in

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Speaker 5: trades because you're looking at YadA Sun Stacumpo situation, Kevin

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Speaker 5: Durant situation. There's a lot of young teams that have flexibility,

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Speaker 5: whether it's Houston Rockets, San Antonio Spurs, So there's going

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Speaker 5: to be a lot of aggressive type conversations and as

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Speaker 5: a result, a lot of interesting games of musical chairs.

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Speaker 3: A lot's good news for the NBA.

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Speaker 2: You want to stay in the news, and like you said,

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Speaker 2: there are going to be some big moves in this offseason.

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Speaker 2: All right, final word here, Mark, who's going to win

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Speaker 2: the game tomorrow?

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Speaker 5: Oh? Tough question. I'm gonna still go with the Thunder.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I know the Nuggets have been completely different

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Speaker 5: in the playoffs than they have in the regular season,

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01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 5: but I think the Thunder their regular season success hasn't

1312
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Speaker 5: been a fluke. They They've had the good formula, say

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01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 5: Gildess Alasander playing at a good level, Jalen Williams being

1314
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 5: a good secondary score. Now, they haven't been consistent as

1315
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Speaker 5: we see in the playoffs with that, but I think

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Speaker 5: they'll get their act together. Steve, I'm surprised this is

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Speaker 5: the last question I thought of all the weeks to

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Speaker 5: talk conspiracy theories. This would be it with Cooper Flagg

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Speaker 5: going to the Mavericks, But I guess we'll say that

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Speaker 5: for another time.

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Speaker 3: Wow, what do you think markin should we go there?

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Speaker 4: My thing is this, Steve, I know you probably have

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Speaker 4: the conspiracy theory. But as I'm sure Eno Medina, I

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Speaker 4: don't mean to step on your toes.

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Speaker 2: But let's continue this conversation because it was yes, my son,

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Speaker 2: who's the biggest NBA fan, screaming about a team with

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Speaker 2: a one point eight chance of getting the number one

1328
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 2: pick getting it just conveniently after giving up a superstar

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Speaker 2: in one of the worst trades in NBA history.

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Speaker 4: Now, now, Mark, I'm gonna let you do this because

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01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 4: you're the NBA expert. Will you please outline to Steve

1332
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 4: and the rest of the listening American audio audience international

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Speaker 4: to be that how after trading Luca Dantis, the Mavericks

1334
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 4: did everything in their power to make sure that one

1335
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Speaker 4: point eight percent was actually zero percent. And if it

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Speaker 4: hadn't been for catastrophic injuries in the second half of

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Speaker 4: the season, the Mavericks probably would have made the playoffs

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Speaker 4: instead of getting that one point eight and that was

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Speaker 4: what they were trying to do.

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Speaker 5: And how about this, blame this on Josh Getty with

1341
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 5: the Bulls. If he doesn't make that half court heave

1342
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,439
Speaker 5: against the Lakers, maybe they would have won that coin

1343
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 5: flip that would have increased the Rods to get the

1344
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Speaker 5: lottery pick instead of falling through twelve. I love conspiracy theories,

1345
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 5: but at least with the lottery. I've attended a few

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Speaker 5: of them during the Lakers rebuilding years. There's accounting firms

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01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 5: that witness every move. There's people that are timing to

1348
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Speaker 5: stop watch to make sure that it's been you know,

1349
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 5: thrown around the ping pong balls accurate times. What I'm

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01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 5: saying is, if they would pull off this kind of

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Speaker 5: conspiracy theory, it would have to be at the same

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01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 5: dramatic discipline as we saw in The Dark Knight that

1353
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 5: that classic scene with the Joker and everyone, you know,

1354
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 5: robbing a bank. It would have to be so well

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Speaker 5: coordinated in front of everyone's eyes without anyone noticing. But

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Speaker 5: you know what, I guess things can happen.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not like the first Draft Lottery where David

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Speaker 2: Stern pulled out the frozen card and had the knicks

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Speaker 2: on it to guarantee that they would get Patrick you

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Speaker 2: and the frozen card that he just happened to pick

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01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 2: out in time for them to have that number one

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Speaker 2: overall pick. All right, great stuff, as always, Mark, We'll

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Speaker 2: see how it plays out, and there we get ready

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Speaker 2: for the Conference Finals.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Mark, We checking with you next week.

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Speaker 5: Seve Mario the best, appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much. There he is all right. We got

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Speaker 2: our answer to that conspiracy. A lot more on that,

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Speaker 2: but first let's find out what is trending right now.

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Speaker 2: Let's welcome in Martin Weiss. Go through some Major League

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Speaker 2: Baseball scores.

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Speaker 4: The Phillies blanking the Pirates five to nothing at the

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Speaker 4: top of the fifth inning, Guardians and Red scoreless bottom

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Speaker 4: of the fourth, Astros with they won nothing lead in

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01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 4: the Battle of Texas over the over the Rangers their

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01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 4: bottom of the second inning. Going to the bottom of

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Speaker 4: the first, Cardinals and Royals are scoreless in the bottom

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Speaker 4: of the first. On Fox, depending on where you are,

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Speaker 4: you'll see the Braves with a three to nothing lead

1380
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Speaker 4: over the Red Sox or the Twins with they won

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Speaker 4: nothing lead over the Brewers. Earlier today, the Mets had

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Speaker 4: at San Francisco. Lindor had to Sackfly at the top

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Speaker 4: of the ninth inning to break a two to two

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Speaker 4: tie for the Mets to beat the Yankees. Today in

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Speaker 4: game two of their Subway series, the Cubs doubled up

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Speaker 4: the White Sox seven and three. Doubled up plus one,

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Speaker 4: The Blue Jays walked off on a walk off single

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Speaker 4: beat the Tigers two to one. Tigers thirty and sixteen,

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Speaker 4: so the best team in the American League. The Nationals

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01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 4: beat the Orioles ten to six. The Orioles had a

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Speaker 4: three run homer in the ninth inning, but it wasn't enough.

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Speaker 3: Obviously.

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Speaker 4: They're fifteen to twenty nine on the year, ten and

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Speaker 4: a half games back of those Yankees, and they fired

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Speaker 4: their manager, Brandon Hyde.

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Speaker 3: Earlier today, the Rays.

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Speaker 4: Blank the Marlins four to nothing in the WNBA tip

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Speaker 4: off is going on to this weekend right now, got

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Speaker 4: one more games slated for ten pm. Eastern Seattle and

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Speaker 4: Phoenix will go.

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Speaker 6: Today.

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Speaker 4: We saw the Indiana Fever beat the Chicago skuy ninety

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01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 4: three to fifty eight. Kaitlyn Clark Lettole scores with twenty points.

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01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 4: She also added a flagrant foul, fouling Angel Reese on

1405
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 4: the way to attempt a layup.

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Speaker 3: Rees hit the floor.

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Speaker 4: The ref reviewed it escalated the foul after the game

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Speaker 4: reset good basketball play, the repscotted right. KAITLINN Clark said,

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Speaker 4: the refs got it wrong and I didn't understand why

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Speaker 4: they would have escalated it. So pretty much what you'd

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Speaker 4: expect out of the two of them and their rivalry.

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Speaker 4: Reese did have a twelve point seventeen rebound double, and

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Speaker 4: earlier today we saw the Liberty beat the Aces ninety

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Speaker 4: seven ninety to six seventy six. Browna Stewart had twenty

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Speaker 4: five points. Asia Wilson had thirty one.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, thank you very much, Martin. You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: We'll check in with you in about half a second. Now,

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Speaker 2: once again we are alive from the Fox Sports Radio studios.

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Speaker 2: You'll see the show posted right after we get off

1425
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 2: the air. Yeah, the whole conspiracy theory about the Dallas

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01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 2: Mavericks and the miraculous ending up with Cooper Flagg.

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Speaker 3: You're laughing. Mary said something in my ear that.

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Speaker 2: Is Mary still upset that you didn't think about her

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01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 2: and ordering some food for her before the show today.

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Speaker 4: She wasn't, but now you just brought it back up,

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01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 4: so she's probably gonna probably have to hear about that.

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Speaker 3: Are you upset about that? Mary? No, it's not that deep. Okay.

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Speaker 3: He's usually really nice and usually like he'll give me

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Speaker 3: food once in a while.

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Speaker 2: So I'm usually in other words, you feel this time,

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01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 2: I like it.

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01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 3: Usually he's the best guy in the building. Usually, yeah,

1438
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 3: most of the time. Always today, I guess today, you know,

1439
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 3: my bad hand up my bed. There's a lot of

1440
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 3: not going on today. Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 2: He's got double duty today. All right, So getting back

1442
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 2: to this Maverick situation. All right, so are you are you?

1443
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 2: Are you convinced that a guy who barely brushed the

1444
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 2: front of the rim and the biggest shot of his

1445
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 2: collegiate career is going to be that level of superstar

1446
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 2: in the NBA.

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01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 3: Not one bit.

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01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,839
Speaker 4: It has much less to do with that particular shot

1449
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 4: than to me, I just felt like I saw a

1450
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 4: guy who was, don't get me wrong, a incredible college player.

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01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 4: But when I look at some of these guys as

1452
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 4: there as they're going into the NBA, right, when I

1453
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 4: look at the guys who I deemed to be can't miss,

1454
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 4: they already have an elite talent. Like when Kevin Durant,

1455
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 4: like people talked about like Cooper Flagg plays like a guard.

1456
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 4: If you go back and watch Kevin Durant at Texas,

1457
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 4: he's dribbling like the best point guard in the country.

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01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. He is some of the

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01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 3: best moves in the country.

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Speaker 4: When I look at Cooper Flagg, I see a guy

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01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 4: who has like B plus at everything, which makes you

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01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 4: overall an a But I wonder what is going to

1463
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 4: be his calling card in the NBA. People say defense.

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01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 4: I think that's something. I got to see it on

1465
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 4: the court to believe.

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Speaker 2: All right, But keep in mind again, he barely from

1467
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 2: an age standpoint, qualified for this draft. You have to

1468
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 2: be twenty years old by the first of the year, okay,

1469
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 2: So he will turn nineteen on December twenty first. So

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Speaker 2: basically he only got under the flag by like a

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Speaker 2: week right to even be eligible for this draft. So

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Speaker 2: when you look back on his one season at Duke,

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01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 2: averaging nineteen points, seven a half rebounds, four assists, you

1474
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Speaker 2: know he shot about thirty eight and a half percent

1475
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 2: threes eighty four percent free throws. These are good numbers

1476
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Speaker 2: obviously at the level, But this is a guy who

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Speaker 2: started the season at age seventeen. He turned eighteen during

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01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 2: the season. So I guess that's the thing you would

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Speaker 2: say Cooper Flag has going for him is that it's

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01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 2: not like, you know, Larry Bird coming out of five

1481
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Speaker 2: years of.

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Speaker 3: College, especially two in the NBA.

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Speaker 4: I heard Gilbert Areena say this once and it makes

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01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 4: so much sense. You're not graded against your class like

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Speaker 4: professional athletes are not graded against the class of twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty five or that draft class. You're graded against your age, right, Yeah,

1487
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Speaker 4: And so for Cooper Flag to be at the age

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Speaker 4: that he's at, I mean absolutely he's one of the

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Speaker 4: best that we've seen at that age. Just about how

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Speaker 4: does that translate into the NBA? And then if I'm Dallas,

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01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 4: when I look at the way that some of these

1492
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Speaker 4: other stars have risen in the NBA, I wonder does

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01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 4: he rise for me? Like does it take five years

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Speaker 4: before we see Cooper Flag at a playing at an

1495
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Speaker 4: MVP level, because and five years later, do I still

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Speaker 4: have a job or am I still? Is he still

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Speaker 4: Dallas Maverick?

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Speaker 2: Well, you also have that situation of a franchise that

1499
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 2: obviously got a lot of heat, understandably after trading Way

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Speaker 2: a twenty five at that time, your old superstar, there's

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Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of pressure to spot like Cooper Flagg.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

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01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 2: And if you're Kyrie Irving or the other Mavericks players,

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01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 2: are you willing to essentially hand the ball to a

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01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 2: guy that will be nineteen years old when they start

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01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 2: the seaze? Are you ready to annoyed him the man

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01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 2: the guy early on or does he you know, does

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Speaker 2: he have to earn that respect amongst his teammates. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I would imagine that's absolutely something that has to be

1510
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 2: you know, the fans are gonna demand it.

1511
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 3: I mean what it absolutely though, has to be earned.

1512
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 4: Even when Lebron, who to me was the most can't

1513
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 4: missed prospect in the NBA in the last forty years, right,

1514
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:38,560
Speaker 4: I don't think that's even debatable.

1515
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 3: Victor like Lebron to his ability to.

1516
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 4: Come in and then immediately impact the way games were

1517
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 4: won and lost in the league. His teammates at the

1518
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 4: time his rookie year, they were saying, have gone back

1519
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 4: since and said, listen.

1520
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 3: His rookie year, we were better than him.

1521
01:12:55,400 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 4: Now after game seventy, you know what I'm saying, Game

1522
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 4: eighty two, after he got into the league, got his

1523
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 4: body right, got his diet right. Yeah, of course he's

1524
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 4: dierocketed past us. But at the remember that.

1525
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 2: Paul Silas was the coach of the Cavs back then,

1526
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 2: and he wanted to make him a point guard.

1527
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 3: He really didn't know what to do with this kid.

1528
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 2: You know, he's just like, Okay, I'm not quite sure

1529
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 2: what we're gonna do with this guy.

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01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 4: And to Paul's House's credit, twenty five years or you know,

1531
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 4: twenty years later, Lebron are given seventeen years later.

1532
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 3: After that, Lebron the primary ball handle on his team,

1533
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 3: you know, for a lot of point guard mentality.

1534
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 4: Sure, but it's just to your point, Yeah, they had this,

1535
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 4: this uh lightning rod talent, and it's like, what are

1536
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 4: we gonna do here?

1537
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 3: How do we figure out what to do with this guy.

1538
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 4: It's a similar thing with Cooper Flagg, although I think

1539
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 4: Lebron was a head and shoulder's better prospect than Cooper Flagg,

1540
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 4: but the idea that his teammates are going to be

1541
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 4: better than him. Kyrie Irving's a first battlet Hall of Famer,

1542
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 4: Anthony Davis is a Hall of Famer. Like those guys,

1543
01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,719
Speaker 4: are going to be better than him. When Cooper Flagg

1544
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 4: walked in day one. The question for the Mavericks how

1545
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 4: long does it take for Cooper flag if he's able

1546
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 4: to plateau pass those guys.

1547
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,560
Speaker 2: There was a baseball story this week that made headlines,

1548
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:11,799
Speaker 2: but really for the wrong reasons.

1549
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 3: We'll explain.

1550
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Saturday, Steve Harvey, Martin Weisse. Here

1551
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday. We're coming live from the Fox Sports

1552
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 2: Radio studios. I want to thank our crew today. Update

1553
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 2: Martin Weiss, the other guy, You're welcome. Steve did a

1554
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 2: phenomenal job as always, Mary macs by getting snubbed by

1555
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 2: the usually reliable Martin Weiss still maintains her superstar status

1556
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 2: as always on this broadcast. And then he and of

1557
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 2: course one of the superstar rising superstars here at Fox

1558
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 2: Sports Radio, Shucks. Who knows where he's going to be

1559
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 2: in a short period of time, He'll be at the

1560
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 2: top of the mountain. That's what happens around here at

1561
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio.

1562
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 3: So let's sway.

1563
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 2: It's a great place because I have seen so many

1564
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 2: people rise to the rings, get all the way to

1565
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 2: the top, all of them passing me along the.

1566
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 3: Way, which I always appreciate.

1567
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 2: So the Pete Rose story came out this week that

1568
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 2: the commissioner decided that a lifetime suspension literally meant a

1569
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 2: lifetime suspension, So you're suspended for life for any wrongdoing

1570
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 2: a Major League baseball. Once you're dead, the lifetime suspension

1571
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 2: is lifted.

1572
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 3: So you know it was being haled, like, oh.

1573
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 2: Pete Rose is finally going to get the Hall of Fame.

1574
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 2: Maybe shoeless Joe Jackson not so fast. A new rule

1575
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 2: was put in Martin a few months ago from the

1576
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 2: era committees. There's three era committees. You got the recent era,

1577
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 2: the old time era, and then there's that era that

1578
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 2: just includes managers and executives and umpires like that, and

1579
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 2: so they just rotate these three era committees. So they

1580
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 2: put in a new rule, so there's sixteen members on

1581
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 2: the voting committee for each of these committees. It says,

1582
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,759
Speaker 2: but if you do not receive at least five votes

1583
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 2: in a year that you're on that list, that's if

1584
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 2: you make it past the screening committee and actually are

1585
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 2: one of the eight nominees. If you don't get five votes,

1586
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 2: you're not eligible to be on that list three years later.

1587
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 3: Okay, but Here's here's the kicker.

1588
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 2: You are eligible to return three years after that, but

1589
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 2: if you don't get five votes the second time, you

1590
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 2: are permanently eliminated from any consideration for the Hall of Fame.

1591
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 2: So you look at the Pete Rose situation. He's not

1592
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 2: eligible for two more years. The committee, the old Timers Committee,

1593
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 2: so to speak, will convene in two years. So let's

1594
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 2: say he's on that list for the first time. There'll

1595
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 2: be a lot of controversy about it, and it's conceivable

1596
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 2: that he gets five votes or less. Then he would

1597
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,719
Speaker 2: have to wait three more actually six more years before

1598
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 2: he's even eligible to be on the list again. And

1599
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 2: if he doesn't get five votes that time, he's gone.

1600
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 2: So they're really and by the way, they did this

1601
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 2: the same thing for the Barry Bonds, the Roger Clemens

1602
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 2: down the road, the A Rods and many Ramirez, all

1603
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 2: the ped guys. What they're trying to do is permanently

1604
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 2: ban them from ever being in the Hall of Fame.

1605
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 2: The pros situation is always going to be controversial. Here's

1606
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 2: the thing that gets me, Martin in the hypocrisy of

1607
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 2: the Baseball Hall of Fame. Because whether it's gambling or

1608
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 2: and by the way, there's no proof that p Ros

1609
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 2: ever bet against his team, which to me obviously would

1610
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 2: be crossing the life. He just bet on his teams

1611
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 2: to win. As a manager, he's being considered as a player.

1612
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 2: And all the ped users and they always talk about, well,

1613
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 2: they were jeopardizing the integrity of the game. And I'm like,

1614
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 2: you mean the integrity of a sport that banned an

1615
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 2: entire race of people for sixty years. That's what we're

1616
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:51,440
Speaker 2: worried about here, the integrity of the history of baseball.

1617
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 2: Every record in baseball pre nineteen forty seven should have

1618
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 2: an asterisk because it wasn't an all inclusive Major League,

1619
01:17:59,280 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 2: was it.

1620
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 3: I mean, but that the.

1621
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 2: Idea of the pretending about the integrity of the sport.

1622
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 2: What are you talking about the integrity? There have been cheaters,

1623
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 2: there have been low lives, There have been a lot

1624
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 2: of people. The Hall of Fame should just celebrate those

1625
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 2: that the best of the game, if you want to say,

1626
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,560
Speaker 2: with Pete Rose all time hit later, this, that, and

1627
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,759
Speaker 2: everything else. Then he was suspended for baseball for gambling.

1628
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 2: Put that on his plaque. Same thing with guys that

1629
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 2: were you know, busted for pds like an a Rod

1630
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 2: or a Manny Ram Mirrors or somewhere like that. But

1631
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 2: keeping them out of the Hall of Fame, which is

1632
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 2: supposed to chronicle the history of the sport is an

1633
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 2: absolute mockery and why I have such disdain for the

1634
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 2: process that puts members in the Hall of Fame Baseball.

1635
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 3: The only issue.

1636
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,959
Speaker 4: That I have with the Baseball Hall of Fame process

1637
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 4: is that a lot of those writers who both from

1638
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 4: now refuse to put the steroid users in, were writing

1639
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 4: about those guys as they were using steroids.

1640
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 3: Well they were get handing HM MVP and Cy Young awards.

1641
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 4: Hey, your journalism if you're a journalist at that point,

1642
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,480
Speaker 4: like where are you uncovering?

1643
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 2: You know, J Mark and I was around baseball during

1644
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,560
Speaker 2: that year, like Io saw it all the time, and

1645
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 2: the growth of the physical transformational players was so obvious.

1646
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 3: There was no rules against it at the time, but.

1647
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 4: As everybody saw it and nobody wanted when nobody was

1648
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 4: discussing it in that way.

1649
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 3: I disagree with you that the.

1650
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 4: Pete Rose only betting on his team to win is

1651
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 4: not It has like a as merited because to me,

1652
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 4: if you are taking Pete Rose's action every day or

1653
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 4: every day he bets on his team to win.

1654
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 3: He doesn't bet on this team to win. Then you know,

1655
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 3: and why.

1656
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 2: You bet on your team to win if you got

1657
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 2: your number five started going against the other team's ace.

1658
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 2: Look in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, Paul Horney

1659
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 2: Alex Scars were busted for betting on their teams to

1660
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 2: win while they were playing.

1661
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 3: They were suspended one year each. Eventually both made it

1662
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:54,640
Speaker 3: into the Hall. I'm not in on it.

1663
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 4: Did you can manage the game on Tuesday like you

1664
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,679
Speaker 4: have to win it as opposed to because it stretching

1665
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 4: your bullpen out or whatever because you bet on Tuesday

1666
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 4: instead of Wednesday. Like I'm not, I can't really square it.

1667
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 3: I'm not in. I'm gum fine with Pete Rose being

1668
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 3: not in the Hall of Fame.

1669
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna assure everybody Pete Rose will never be

1670
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame.

1671
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 3: You can count on.

1672
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 2: That much more coming up, keep it right here. This

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Speaker 2: is Fox Sports Radio.