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Speaker 1: M Hey, what up. Welcome in. I'm Doug Gollivan. This

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Speaker 1: is the all New All Ball, All Basketball, all the time. Um,

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Speaker 1: this one's a really good one. Ron Baker, Superstar, All American,

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Speaker 1: All Solar System at Wichita State, the five of four,

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Speaker 1: the perfect Season, the Sweet sixteen. But also he was

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Speaker 1: there for you know, five years with Greg Marshall, and

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Speaker 1: he's got an interesting perspective. He said some things I

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Speaker 1: So do we want to get to the NBA Draft? Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: and I'll do a pod. We'll get to have pick

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Speaker 1: and what you can expect. Um. Then we'll get to

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Speaker 1: NBA free agency. Lakers doing quite well. I don't think

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Speaker 1: not as big on Portlands as other people are. Um,

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Speaker 1: I get the Gordon Hayward thing, but I you're also

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Speaker 1: so that part is interesting. So we can talk some

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Speaker 1: NBA on a different pod. We can all start college basketball,

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Speaker 1: which is supposed to get underway today, the day which

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Speaker 1: it really really make sense to me to break down

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Speaker 1: every team? Not yet? We will well, I mean, like you,

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Speaker 1: I'll watch a ton of hoop, I'll give you all

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Speaker 1: my thoughts and some trends, and we'll continue will continue

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Speaker 1: to have outstanding podcasts. But I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: this one with Ron Baker, who I got a chance

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Speaker 1: to meet along his journey, and his basketball journey appears

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Speaker 1: This is Wichita State star guard of course, formerly of

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Speaker 1: the Knicks and the Wizards and of Saska Moscow. Ron Baker.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's welcome him in. He's the legend not

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Speaker 1: one and only Ron Baker um, okay, let's started the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Because I was there when we first met, was in

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Speaker 1: what was I know, you're you're a great football player

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Speaker 1: you're just actually an athletic family. So as you play

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Speaker 1: in practice undefeated years, the fight over, you're kicking everybody's ass.

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00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: I don't I don't recall any fights. We had a

427
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: We might have had a couple of you know, situations

428
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: the final four year, because we lost like three straight

429
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: I think in vally play, which is just a big,

430
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 1: big no no, especially when a couple of them are

431
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: at home. So that year was a little chippy, but no,

432
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: after that, it was pretty smooth sailing in our locker room.

433
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: What do you mean about the Kentucky game? I swear

434
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: no one could miss. If they didn't beat us on

435
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: the glass, then it was game over. They you just

436
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: when you play Julius Randol at the three, I mean,

437
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: holy moly, and I mean people weren't shooting the three.

438
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: I don't think like that as they are now, especially

439
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: in the NBA. But you know, the biggest thing I

440
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: remember in that game is Julius Randall checking into the

441
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: game and he was playing the three, and we had

442
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: Evan west Alana look over at their bench at Calpery

443
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: is just like post Julius, that was the play called

444
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: every time down. I'm just like, oh God, I feel

445
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: bad for you. Wessel hanging there, man, Yeah, they just

446
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: killed us on the glass, James Young twins. That all

447
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: have good games. I mean we have, you know, Fred,

448
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: how did decent look at the end? All you can

449
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: ask for in those situations? A comic basketball game? To

450
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: this day, you know, grateful and department. It's it's amazing

451
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: because I went from like your guys, biggest supporter and

452
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: then at the time like one of the things that

453
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: I feel like I always have done is like you

454
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: can't tell if I'm a fan of somebody or not

455
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: a fan of somebody. And my thing on you guys

456
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: being a one seed was like you just hadn't played

457
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: in the Big twelve. You hadn't right, So there's there's

458
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: no metric for it, right, And this is what's funny.

459
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: God forbid, you do your job right. You gotta know

460
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: you gotta give analysis on situations like that, and you're

461
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: not gonna please both sides of whatever comes out of

462
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: your tweet or mouth. Right, Well, I will tell I

463
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: will tell you there are many who do that job

464
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: who just everything is great and it's the it's the

465
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: like the j willis Is of the world, I mean Jays,

466
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: the id say by Tao and and generally CBS, Like

467
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: I was a CBS I was like the first guy

468
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 1: to ever like question things whatever, And they were like,

469
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: what are you are you doing? What is why are

470
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: you so negative? Like I'm not negative, just being kind

471
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: of honestly not everything is the greatest ever? Right? I

472
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: think the only what was our like our best win

473
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: that year was probably asked St. Louis I called that game, yeah,

474
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: and they just dropped. They dropped some games like the

475
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: ten that they should other than that hurt us probably right,

476
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: because then you start doing the well who did St.

477
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: Louis speed thing? Where I was like, I was there.

478
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: I think it was a playoffs Sunday wasn't super yeah,

479
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: and so there was there wasn't very many people there

480
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: and it was a Saturday afternoon too. That's why you

481
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: called it because CBS no, but it was. It was

482
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: a Sports Network game. It wasn't a CBS g I

483
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: but I remember, um, I distinctly remember that game, and

484
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: I was like, look, I was there, and it just

485
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: didn't feel as though it was just it was just

486
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: it's a hard metric to what would you do in

487
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: the Big twelve? What would you do in the Big ten?

488
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: Because you have a bad night in the Big twelve

489
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 1: and they got a pro who beat you, right, whereas

490
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: you do it in the in the Valley and you

491
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: guys had three pros um so you know you were

492
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: able to withstand any sort of bad night. But what

493
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: is that like to win the Valley championship and you

494
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: have zero losses? Like the perfect season? What is and

495
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: you know in high cool? You even lost one game?

496
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: Right people do in high school? Not in college? What

497
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: was that like? I thought it was pretty pretty special obviously.

498
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: I think the last team to do it was what

499
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: Greig Anthony with the UNLV team what Bob teen with

500
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: keats miracle shot. Yeah, that wasn't done against they lost

501
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: the Duke in the semifinals. Well they went to beat

502
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: in the regular season though, yes, yeah, yes, so I

503
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: mean and uh st Joe's went undefeated in the regular season,

504
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: lost in the ten tournament that was with Delonte West

505
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: and Jamir Nelson and those guys. Yeah, so you guys

506
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: being able to beat you know every time you hit

507
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: and no like you know, having a theme for this

508
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: one and then and then getting compared to St. Joe's

509
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: getting compared to un l V Like that's that's pretty cool, man,

510
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: Like those are you know, historic seasons by some great

511
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: players and teams. So you lose, okay, but you've been

512
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: the final four, You've had an undefeated regular and conference

513
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: tournament season, and then you're like, I did I go

514
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: pro to? What was that? What was that? What was

515
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: the decision? Like, I didn't put a whole lot of

516
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: decision into it. I probably should have maybe put a

517
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: little more decision into it to my sophomore year, because

518
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: statistically wise, I think my sophomore junior or two of

519
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: my better years, we did the whole NBA e vol situation.

520
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: They didn't have the thing where you could, you know,

521
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: test whatever, test the waters, so to so to say,

522
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: until my I don't even think they had that my

523
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: junior season. So I really didn't put a whole lot

524
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: of thought into it, um, you know, when you clear

525
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: was you know, probably gonna get drafted. I didn't really

526
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: know how the agent situation was, Like, I didn't even

527
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: know how that process even became probable. I didn't even

528
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: know what the steps were too, you know, hiring an agent.

529
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: So I was pretty raw on that in aspect. But

530
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: maybe maybe should have done a little more homework prior.

531
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: But kid, coming from Scotts City, I don't really have

532
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: plans to be an NBA player once I got to Wichitas,

533
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: So wasn't too studied up on the situation. So what

534
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: was Marshall really like? Your experience, my experience just obviously

535
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: you've been through and this is why I wanted to

536
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: get on this you know platform with you and talk

537
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: about this because you've obviously played college sports, college basketball

538
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: like just super intense, right, Like has his ways of

539
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: coaching basketball, and he has this system in play. He

540
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: wants he wants you to buy in to his system,

541
00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: keep the game since you know, simple play, defensive, rebound, like,

542
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: he's pretty simple concepts. Obviously we can get into the

543
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 1: whole you know, situation that happened. Like the big thing

544
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: right now is like where the snowflake era, like we

545
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: can't handle you know, being yelled at. Well, yeah, we

546
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: can't handle hard coaching, which I mean everyone's different, Doug Right, like, no,

547
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: Fred Melee, others can handle it. You know, some players can't.

548
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: Simple as that he if you can't buy into what

549
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: he wants you to do, like he's gonna hang a

550
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: cloud over you each day until you like he's trying

551
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: to hammer this into you. So like players are gonna struggle, right,

552
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: they're going to transfer. I don't last year, just so happens,

553
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: not eight nine guys leave. No, Now it's a snowball

554
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: going down the hill. Right, You've seen Jeff Goodman's stories,

555
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, telling, you know, telling, He's diving into everyone

556
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: like he he told me. I talked to him a

557
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. He's like, all I did was

558
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: called one guy from a transferred right, and he leads

559
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: me to another guy. Now it's just like a snowball effect. Well,

560
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, coach, you know he is a hard coach,

561
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: and you know, do I respect him? Absolutely. He's been

562
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: great to me and my family. That's from my you know,

563
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: my opinion. These other players are coming out. I respect

564
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: them for telling their stories were. There are days where

565
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: I thought, coach like cross the line for sure, like

566
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: that that happens, and what they did here with like

567
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: the committee and stuff, and I this is the first

568
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: time I've been coming out in public, by the way,

569
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: about this situation. He uh, he had obviously made a statement.

570
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: I think his first statement was like kind of like

571
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: the political correct statement. Obviously him and his people and

572
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: circle like wrote it out and like he didn't really

573
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: touch based on like the Shack Moriss altercation and some

574
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: of the other things obviously were top of the headline.

575
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, cool, Like maybe you know,

576
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: maybe he's just gonna like come for and be like

577
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, I you know, I did these things. I apologized,

578
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: like you know, Whichita loves this man like loves him,

579
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: so like I'm thinking, like, okay, maybe he's gonna understand,

580
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: like okay, and you know, it's a different era of kids,

581
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: Like I crossed the line on a couple of things.

582
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: I apologize, and you know, I'll do whatever I gotta

583
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: do to you know, stay with my team, because in reality,

584
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: the priority is not to worry about, you know things.

585
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: The last thing him he has a coach wants to

586
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: do is worry about things he might have messed up

587
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 1: on the past. Priority is the kids. They're on campus

588
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: right now trying to prepare for this, you know, this season,

589
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: because the season was supposed to start tomorrow, and you know,

590
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 1: I'm waiting on a secret wait and I'm like, all right,

591
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna make a statement, make a statement nothing, And

592
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: then you know the Shock Morris story, you know, makes headlines.

593
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: And you know I was there when all this was

594
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: going on, like I've seen him, you know, kind of

595
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: do some things here and there. But the Shock altercation,

596
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's just sad, unfortunate. Obviously, you know I was.

597
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: I was in that practice. There's a Bang Bang play

598
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: at the rim. You know, Shock are one of our

599
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: three men was starting at the time, Zach Zak Brown

600
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: Bang Bang play. Shock was you know late to it,

601
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: like it helps that actually went up to the rim.

602
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: Zach Brown falls down, you know, Marshall just like flips

603
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: his switch, man like obviously really upset, like you know

604
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: this is a starter, kind of just goes in on

605
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: Shock and I'm just sitting there like man like just

606
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: super uncomfortable. And you could hear like a needle drop

607
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: in the gym, like just you've been in those practices

608
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: like super uncomfortable, like you don't even feel like playing

609
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: basketball the rest of the day. Marshall kicks him out

610
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: of practice and like follows them out into the concourse.

611
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: So we're all like, man, just like at you know,

612
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: just shook, what the hell is going on? So later,

613
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: you know, practice sing as we go down in the

614
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: locker room and come to find out, Shaq tells us,

615
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, you know, he got hit. We're like, man,

616
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: like shock. And Marshall's relationship was never like really you know,

617
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: tighten it and they had some tension, and as you know,

618
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: tension you know, continues to grow, grow, grow, grow, grow, well,

619
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: just so happened to be that day where you know,

620
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: it got to a point where it was just you know, bad.

621
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: And a couple other players in that locker room said

622
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: they've seen it, and we're like, man, I just felt

623
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: like just wrong. I felt like kind of mp shaky.

624
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: I just didn't really know as a twenty one year

625
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: old how to handle this situation. Ship we're a good

626
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: basketball team, we don't we don't want the spotlight of

627
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, the prestigious which a toss State Final four

628
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: undefeated sweet you know Sweet six team resume to turn

629
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: into and coach Marshall, you know, hit a player. That's

630
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 1: why Shack I think waited all these years to now

631
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: circle back on the situation because like I said, there,

632
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, their relationship was never tighten it. So for

633
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: me kind of being back in which till after I

634
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: got back from Russia, it was just like one of

635
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: those situations like talking to my parents are like, you

636
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: know these things some of these things in the in

637
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: the first report, I'm like that, man, some of these

638
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 1: things happened. He's like, whoa, but you are not Ron

639
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: Baker as a pro without you know, Greg Marshall and

640
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: his staff. So it puts me in a situation like

641
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: how do I how do I handle this? Like I

642
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: don't want to go public because I don't really feel

643
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: like if I went to public whenever it came to life,

644
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: let's say a month ago, like what's what's it gonna do?

645
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: Like I say, I say, you know, some of these

646
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: things happened. Okay, now it looks like, man, Ron Baker

647
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: is not loyal to coach, you know, like the guy

648
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: that you know made him out to what he is.

649
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: But at the same time, as you know, a teammates

650
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: to teammate man, Like I personally don't think Shack would

651
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: make this, you know, stuff up that day in the

652
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: locker room, Like why what's I mean, what's in it

653
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: for him? Like he's not going to make up something

654
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: like that, at least in my eyes. And like I said,

655
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: a couple other guys seen to happen. Excuse me, see

656
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: to happen. So just a weird situation. Man, it's sad, disappointing.

657
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: H I know, Coach Marshall is probably gonna watch this,

658
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: and like he has so much love in this city,

659
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: Like for me, I think to make things right, I

660
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: think he should have just you know, biting the bullet

661
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: and said, yeah, now I really messed up. I let

662
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: whatever it is get to him, like I love winning

663
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: so much, like just do the right thing that makes

664
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: sense and just it would have cleared the small around

665
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: this town like this, and regardless of the committee made

666
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: their decision to let him go, at least the tension

667
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: between oh these are you know, snowflake ere kids, like

668
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: they can't handle it. I mean, all that goes away

669
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: or you know, I mean it's obvious why none of

670
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: us players in that gym that day like went public

671
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: because we don't want we don't want that feeling of

672
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: and like those guys are just not loyal enough to

673
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: their coach type of So really, I'll give you a

674
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: personal Uh it's not exactly the same, but there's some

675
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: similarities there. So I'm an ESPN and coach Sutton has

676
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: a car crash. Now it's on a Friday night and

677
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: they're supposed to play the next day at Texas A

678
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: and M. And I have a former teammate named Alex Webber.

679
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: His wife Denise, who was one of our athletic trainers.

680
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: She was like a student trainer, you know, when they

681
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: first met whatever. So I mean, like, we it's one

682
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: thing to have just like a wife you met, like,

683
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: but she was there when we were there, right, So, Uh,

684
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: coach gets in the car crash and I'm doing we

685
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: had like Friday night games, random Friday night games, and

686
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: um we we we do a break into the game

687
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: and so I call Alex calls me and he's like

688
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: this is bad. He's like, you should call it Denise.

689
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: I was like, is he gonna She's like, just called Denise.

690
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: So I called a niece and she's the vice at

691
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: that time, vice president of the hospital, and I go,

692
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: how is he. She's like, he's gonna be okay. I

693
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: was like, well, Alexai was bad. She's like it's terrible.

694
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: I will well just said he was gonna be okay,

695
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: Like no, no, it's it's terrible. It's like she's like

696
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: it's really really bad. That's all I can say. So

697
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: then I called a friend of mine, who my old

698
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: neighbor that when I was we had like a house

699
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: we called the Palace. It was like three four bedrooms,

700
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: like one bath. We all lived together. Alex was my roommate.

701
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: Our neighbor was a cop. I called the cop and

702
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 1: I was like, hey man, what happened with Coach Sutton.

703
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: He's like it's again. It was like it was like

704
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: they all got like a something to read like really bad.

705
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: He's like, I go, was he drunk? He's like He's

706
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: like I He's like, I can't say what happened. He's

707
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: like I don't know, you know, like he hasn't been

708
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: charged whatever, but you should get the police report, so

709
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: you know. Like anyway, it wasn't until that Wednesday that

710
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: they had a press conference, they announced that he was

711
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: drunk and he took immediately from the program on that Wednesday. Now,

712
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: I have been talking to them the whole time, And

713
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: on that Wednesday, I was actually in Vegas. My wife

714
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: was pregnant, My brother's wife was pregnant, sister in law,

715
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: and I was calling the game like the next day

716
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: Sandy State U and l V, and it was his game.

717
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,959
Speaker 1: He was an assistant coach. So we planned this trip

718
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: like we're gonna get together, we're gonna get a bunch

719
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: of food and trying to decide the names of our kids.

720
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: And I gotta go to Sports Center because my coach

721
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: had a d u I, and you know I have to.

722
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm forced to comment on it. Six months prior to that,

723
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: Bob Huggins had had a d u I and I

724
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: was like, man, you can't be a coach and have

725
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 1: a d u I right when you represent the school.

726
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: So now I'm in this, Okay, Am I disloyal if

727
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: I say, hey, I don't I love coach Sutton. I

728
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: love that man. He's done amazing things for me. He's

729
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: even after this been a he was a remarkable mentor

730
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: towards me. The things he taught me and the bond

731
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: we have as players, and you know how and I'm

732
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: sure there's some of this too. What part of their

733
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: psychology is they make it you against them, players against coaches?

734
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: It's yes, yes, Then they're like, why are these guys

735
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: such assholes? We hate them? But there's some kind of

736
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: fucked up psychological thing where they like make you and

737
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: then it's us against them, and it makes it so

738
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: that you're much closer. Right, So there are days means

739
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: like I hate that guy, I hate that you hate

740
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: all those coaches, and then the other day you're like, okay, uh,

741
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: I kind of I kind of got it, you know,

742
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: I kind of get it. For the next year, I

743
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: was like persona non grata and still water because I

744
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: was disloyal and I was like the ultimate act of

745
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: loyalty to me is saying, hey, coach is wrong here,

746
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: like this is wrong. I love you, but you're wrong.

747
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: You can't do that. You can't be the highest paid

748
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: member of faculty and be on your way to meet

749
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: the team plane and and be drunk. And he's a

750
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: he's a recovering alcoholic. Like I'm I understand. I want

751
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: him to get healthy, but you can't be the head

752
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: coach and do those things right, loyal and truthful, yes, yes,

753
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: and you can still like I would, I would, I

754
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: would guess like you still care for Greg Marsh. You

755
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: love the man, right, but he was wrong and and

756
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: and and also wrong to put you in a position

757
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: where you had to not say anything at the time

758
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: or even now, like it's a really hard thing because

759
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: he hasn't come out and go like, hey, you know

760
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: what I did some things because I even take I

761
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: think the part you can never put your hands on

762
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: a kid, that's that's that's that's been a rule obviously,

763
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: that's what costs Bob Night his job in India. But

764
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: the language stuff, you know, I know that it reads

765
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: as remarkably insensitive. Yeah, but it's it's a basketball team

766
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: and ship is that the rules are different, right, So

767
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: item that stuff doesn't bother me that you know, and

768
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: you can and I think you can walk It might

769
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: not bother me and you, But my point is it

770
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: might bother someone else because I mean we're not in

771
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: their head right right, like we're we're talking you know,

772
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: psychiatric stuff. But it's a man, yes, yeah, I mean

773
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: like about getting on your horse or whatever. But there

774
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: there's and and something like you but you can cross

775
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: the line and then dial it back. They're like, go,

776
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: I call it it in. I was out of line.

777
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: I apologize. I was stark, you know, because we're all

778
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: kind of sarcastic. A lot of us are sarcastic assholes.

779
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: My thing with Greg was this, I never saw the

780
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: level of abuse or ever putting hands on a kid,

781
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: but at that St. Louis game, this is God's honest truth. Uh,

782
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: who's the athletic director at the time, the same athletic director?

783
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: Oh the St. Louis game would have been Sexton sex

784
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: In or boat. Right, we're both uh a D and

785
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: then assistant a D at the time. I think, all right,

786
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: the assistant Yeah, yeah. So he was there. We're walking

787
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 1: in the hall and he introduced himself and I was like, oh,

788
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: good to meet Greg's boss. He's like, we all work

789
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 1: for Greg, right, and and and there's just a way like, look,

790
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: Greg Marshall when he was at Winthrop, I covered their

791
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 1: games and he went to seven n c A tournaments

792
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: right that him and his wife were lovely and he

793
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: used to hang out with me in final fours and

794
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: like basically he couldn't get a job because he took

795
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: the College of Charleston jobs and changed his mind. He

796
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: just he couldn't get the bigger job. And he did

797
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: have some bad parts of his reputation whatever um and

798
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: so I had a long relationship with them, but you

799
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: could see some of the some of it brewing in

800
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: that he just you feed a guy's ego enough, and

801
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: you feed a guy and a guy like I, I

802
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: would guess to this moment he doesn't think he did

803
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: anything wrong. That's why you didn't see an apology. And

804
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: that's just the part that you can you can walk

805
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: back and you can have a legit. Hey man, I

806
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: was wrong. I got I was I was feeling myself

807
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: some and I think that would it just sucks, because

808
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it does. But to some it may

809
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: put a bit of cloud over what was an amazing

810
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: five or six years of basketball from one program. And

811
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: he was very much responsible because he is a marvelous

812
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: But do you feel do you feel where I'm coming

813
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: from if you was just like owned up to not

814
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: at all, but for sure the shock situation, because that's

815
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: what I mean, let's you know, call a spade a spade.

816
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: That's why he's not here. Like, if that story is

817
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: not in the first article, I mean everyone would just

818
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: kind of put it on the you know, it gets

819
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: swept on the rug kind of deal, Like he would

820
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: have put out a first statement and then put your

821
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: hands on a kid. No, no place for it, as

822
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: simple as that. And then the and you know, Shack

823
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: obviously left. What what do other teams? No, Shack finished

824
00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:00,479
Speaker 1: his four years that which stuck. See, but now it's like, so, yeah,

825
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: I can't come back, right he lives here, he does,

826
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to get it to where like that's

827
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: not an issue, Like we shouldn't have to worry about

828
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: Check should not have to worry about going out in

829
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 1: public and people looking at him. Man, that's that guy

830
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: that called Jeff Goodman. Like you shouldn't have to worry

831
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: about that, right, No, that's terrible. No, that's a that's

832
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: like a societal issue. Right, Like we we use these terms.

833
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: If you're the person who saw something or something was done,

834
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: we call you a rat fink a snitch, right, Like, Hey,

835
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: I was the one who did the thing that was wrong.

836
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: I was the one who did the thing wrong too,

837
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: and I actually didn't say anything for years so that

838
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: my team could could live out you know, their dreams,

839
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: and their team was arguably just as good, if not

840
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: better the next two years they were there. You don't

841
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: you don't want to come forward then and ruin the

842
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: vibe or them rall of what you got going. Does

843
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: that make sense right? Yes? I totally understand. It's a

844
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: there's a guilt to it, right because because you do.

845
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: I think they think, I don't know what people think

846
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: of college kids, you know where they don't have the

847
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: wherewithal Whereas most of the most of the guys that

848
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: I played are pretty smart, pretty understanding. They know, hey,

849
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: let me just get through this and and uh and

850
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: and use it to benefit me post career. Um. I

851
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: do think like there's plenty of time for things that

852
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: like make mends because like this, they're like we already

853
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: seen like Wichita community already come to like pact, let's say,

854
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: and you know, support coach like you know he's done

855
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: successful things. I spoke with Tom Devlin, I spoke with

856
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 1: Jeff Johnson out at Flint Hills here in town. Big

857
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, big supporters of you know which saw state

858
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: and coach and they're like, damn wrong. We we really

859
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: support this, and like, think of what he's done in

860
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: these past fourteen years, it's remarkable. I'm like, you know,

861
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: I totally, I totally agree with you. I'm an agreeing,

862
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm in agreeance with you. But guys, like what he

863
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: did that day, like, I mean, it's not right, you know, right,

864
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: and it makes it more not right to not offer

865
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: any sort of apology or well alive branch or ability

866
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: to discuss. I mean, honestly, I kind of feel like

867
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: you and Fred are the only guys that can, right,

868
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: and that's why we're I mean, this is why we're

869
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: doing this right now. I mean, I hope it gives

870
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: some clarity, you know, to the city. Those people that

871
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: are supporting Marshal. They have every right too, and I

872
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: totally get where they're coming from. But I want those

873
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: supporters to come together and understand why Sheack did what

874
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 1: he did. And now we can, you know, turn the page.

875
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: The committee made their decision. Coach resigned, he did his

876
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: I really think him coming forward would bring all this

877
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: tighten it or like it used to be around these parts,

878
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: and we would just you know, move on together, move

879
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: on together, right, instead of kind of being this thing

880
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: where you know, because I will tell you that now here.

881
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: Now here's the hard part. Okay. So I have a

882
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: really good relationship with my boy. I think he's a

883
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: very good man, and Scott Sutton's on the staff and

884
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of orange on that staff. But when

885
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: your coach leaves and a new regime takes over, it's

886
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: never the same to go back. It just isn't. Because

887
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: talking as far as going when you have kids and

888
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: you come back and it's Ron Baker day and they

889
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: put your number up there in the rafters or whatever,

890
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: like it just it sucks because like that, I'm forever

891
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: envious of the Michigan State guys, the Duke guys, um

892
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: the Kansas guys, Kansas guys, because Bill has been there

893
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: long enough now. But I think and and builded a

894
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: great job because he's a he actually hired Barry Hinson

895
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: to kind of help with it. But when the I

896
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: think the best part of the whole thing is when

897
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: you go back and people not just remember, but the

898
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: coach calls in front of the team like, hey man,

899
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: this guy was a help of player. Let me tell

900
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: you I recruited him. He did this he did this,

901
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: he did this, he won this game for us. Like

902
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: it's like, that's that's all you really require when you're

903
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: a player, is just like, hey man, just remember some

904
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 1: of the ship I did and how hard I worked

905
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: and how much I bought it into the program. And

906
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: that's a really hard one when your coach is gone

907
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,959
Speaker 1: and when they clean the regime out, you know, which

908
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: inevitably to this point hasn't happened, but at some point

909
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: in brought the will. It's interesting because Jan's who I like,

910
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: and I know he recruit you like, you know, he

911
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: had his deal at Bowling Green and after you guys

912
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: beat Glenzaga, you know, he had his spit cup and

913
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: he was gone, right, just we were all just gone

914
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: like it was. And I was I was like, man,

915
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: that guy that that drink went down a little too quick, right.

916
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: But he's a he's a he's a hell of a

917
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: dude and a right and a really good coach and

918
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 1: that and obviously he's bounced back with the new Mexico

919
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: state deal, which is great. Um, but it's it's fascinating

920
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: to me because like I think, sometimes we get caught

921
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: up in a look I did stupid ship of Notre Dame, right, like,

922
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: that's we have bad moments, we do bad things, but

923
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: it's a it's the golf analogy. It's still under par

924
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: for my life, right, And I think Greg Marshaw could

925
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: still be very much under par, like really really under par,

926
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: if you would just come out and go like, hey man,

927
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: that was that was a triple bogey. That was I'm

928
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,280
Speaker 1: embarrassed by it. I shouldn't have done it. I feel

929
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: really bad. And you know one of the so they

930
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: were doing their investigation right on campus and I wasn't

931
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: even going to get involved. I was walking the fence

932
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: line trying to be supportive, and then coach comes out

933
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: with a second statement saying I've never struck a player

934
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: and put hands on the coach like word for word.

935
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: I was like, what is going on right now? Like

936
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: this isn't even making any sense. I'm telling you. We

937
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: had two rules when we were here. We had no curfews,

938
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: we had nothing like we had two rules. The first

939
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: day you walk on campus, you get a sheet and

940
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: the two words on there is there are not two words,

941
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: but the words on there say don't lie to me

942
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 1: and don't steal from me. That was it. So I'm thinking, like, man,

943
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: my freshman year that he said those things and now

944
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: he's coming out with this like it just it was

945
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: that it was like disappointing and just like it just

946
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: rubbed me the wrong way. And then that's when I

947
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 1: got involved on Like, I never went public, never said anything.

948
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: I talked to one of the lawyers I was doing

949
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: the investigation, and I was truthful and I told my

950
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: story of that day, and that's how I went about it.

951
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't feel like it was right for

952
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: him to try and turn the narrative on my teammate

953
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: like that really really hurt me. That was tough. Is

954
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: there any chance that Jack isn't telling the truth? There

955
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: was other other guys in the gym that day. I've

956
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: seen it. It's bad. It's a bad deal. Have you

957
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: talked about Have you talked to him? Have you talked

958
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: to Greg Uh? I think the last time I talked

959
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: to him was and it was during the summer, probably

960
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: July or August. And I think once the investigation started,

961
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: he wasn't legally allowed to reach out to anybody that

962
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: was involved or potentially going to get a questioned the investigation,

963
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: all right, I want I do, I do. I want

964
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: to get to a couple of things. You're real quick,

965
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: all right, knock him out? What was it like to

966
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: play in the NBA? Everything I ever imagined? Times or

967
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: everything I've ever imagined and more like just surreal? Your

968
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: first game aston Square Garden. Do you remember who was

969
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: against are? It was either it was I want to

970
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: say Boston, maybe Boston or d C because it was

971
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, the you play those Northeast teams an exhibition.

972
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: I actually started the second half, had a pretty good preseason.

973
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of why I made the team.

974
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, just surreal. And not to mention, man, think

975
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: of my teammates joking no, all NBA player Derrick Rows

976
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: and the youngest MVP Brandon Jennings performance in Milwaukee Carmel

977
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: and Anthony Hall of Famer, Like the list goes on,

978
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: like just surreal, like looking around, like holy crap. The

979
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: only the only rookie that year that might have had

980
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: a better situation was Kay Felder at Cleveland. Other than that,

981
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: like that's like a dream line up for a rookie,

982
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: like unheard of. It was remarkable when you made it.

983
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: How how who told you made the team? Phil called me,

984
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: or Jamie Matthews actually one of our player personnel. He

985
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 1: called me into Phil's office and Phil goes, we're moving

986
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 1: you from B team to A team. Ron. He made

987
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: the you know his zin voice. It was great. Yeah,

988
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: I played. So I played with the Lakers for the

989
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: summer League one year and then like I was in

990
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: there a couple of different camps or Vett camps, that

991
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: creating camps. And he would always call me Godfrey, Gilbert Godfrey,

992
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: Godfrey god for getting there, god Godfrey. He knows what

993
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: we're doing. You know what? What was Mellows like? He

994
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: was cool man, he was. He takes a lot of

995
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: heat because he's just, you know, an easy target for

996
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: the media when you're the you know, the best player

997
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 1: on the Knicks, Like obviously the media is gonna grab

998
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: at you. But no, he he did the little things

999
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: for me as a vet. Took me out on my

1000
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: birthday in Miami, like things of that sort. It wasn't

1001
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: hard on me as a brook. I didn't have to

1002
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 1: do all the crazy things you know guys probably had

1003
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: to do when you were a rookie. But it was

1004
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: Coold Rose was probably one of the most influential guys

1005
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 1: for me because he was. He was a guy that

1006
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: I can relate to because you know, he's not real vocal.

1007
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: He's more of the guy that you know leads by

1008
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: example and you know, lives by his morals. Like I

1009
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: really really enjoyed being in the same locker room as him.

1010
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: Craziest ship you saw, Let's do on the basketball floor

1011
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: in the NBA, Like this is such a different level

1012
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: than anything I've ever seen. My second second season, we're past,

1013
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: getting closer, past All Star break and Milwaukee comes to

1014
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: town and I'd never played against the honest before. I

1015
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: know what it is about my rookie year. We played

1016
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: at their place, but I just played the fourth quarter.

1017
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: It didn't really have a ton of minutes against him.

1018
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: But him and Chris Milton get a two on one's

1019
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: past break. It's probably it's definitely a third quarter. And

1020
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I know the Alleys coming right Like I'm

1021
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: sitting on the bench. I know the Allys coming is

1022
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: two on one and Tim Hardaway is the last guy back,

1023
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,479
Speaker 1: and I kid you not, like he knows ally Ops

1024
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: coming to he kind of slides the left and shades

1025
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: Honest Milton's coming Milton throws it. I'm like, what the

1026
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: hell's he thinking? Like he had to lay up. Johannest

1027
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: jumps over over like I'm talking not like between the legs,

1028
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: like literally over Tim Hardaway and dunks it, and I

1029
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: just I just sit there and I'm like, Okay, this

1030
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: is like something you've seen him like a movie, Like

1031
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: this can't be fake. It was severely fake. Same game,

1032
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: post up in the midpost and I think you tweeted

1033
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: at me. He post up in the midpost and caught

1034
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: the ball and was just like taking his time, taking

1035
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: his time, and then hit a step back on Lance

1036
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: Thomas and in the game, I'm like, oh my god,

1037
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: Like this guy was different, and like we never we

1038
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't play like Lebron and those guys in the regular season,

1039
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: and like they would never give him give us our best,

1040
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: and we never made the playoffs, so we didn't really

1041
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: know that that type of caliber of competitiveness. My last

1042
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: story that when I knew I was in the NBA

1043
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: was my second year opening game. We're playing at Cleveland.

1044
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: They just dropped the banner. Michael Beasley and I are

1045
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: sitting on the bench and he has a relationship with

1046
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: Braun from Miami. Well we're up like twenty only and

1047
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: the third quarter, and Beasley is standing up on the court,

1048
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: is letting Braun happened, just letting them happen. They shoot

1049
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: the first, we shoot the first free throw. Le Bron

1050
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: grabs the ball, gives it to the ref and he

1051
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: starts walking towards towards our bench. He goes, beast, shut

1052
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: the f up, you know, we're just scrimmaging for June.

1053
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: And then in the round and walks back. I was like,

1054
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: oh man, I made it. This is real. Okay, So

1055
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: you you played with per Seska. I played Russia too,

1056
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: so that it's a I'm I'm intrigued by a couple

1057
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: of Russia. Um wait when you landed, yeah, well you remember,

1058
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: uh just kind of dark, cloudy, muggie and obviously the

1059
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: airport's not in the best part of town and it

1060
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: was like an hour to get to the city. Like

1061
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: it's just a cultural different, Like their vehicles are different,

1062
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, the highways are different. Which it chai? Which

1063
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: it shai? Like they ever they want, I don't. I

1064
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: don't want. I don't want tea. I just yeah, just

1065
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:18,439
Speaker 1: ice water, bottled water. Yeah, just different. My first game

1066
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: we played, I played we actually one league when I

1067
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: was there, and I played for teams now I think

1068
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: second division. You're all great. We play on the road

1069
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: in St. Petersburg and that my two most vivid memories

1070
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: actually three. When we went out to eat and I

1071
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: didn't know there was no Americans other Americans on the

1072
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: team at the time, and I was just following these

1073
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: guys around and they ordered food for me and it

1074
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: was gross, and I was just and I like to

1075
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: have all this whole world going on and you not

1076
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: know anything that's going on. What they're saying is a

1077
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: really weird. That was the biggest thing was a language barrier.

1078
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: And then we're all at night. So then we're playing

1079
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: and it's like the first game and I'd only like

1080
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: a week a week and a half, and the coach,

1081
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: Sir Gay Bellof and played in the seventy two team.

1082
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: He turns and goes duck and I was like, I

1083
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: thought that was me. I hopped up to like go

1084
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: in the game or whatever. They're like scoring table and

1085
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: some guy like grabs me like horse collar, tackles me.

1086
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: He's like that's like no, no, you know, it's like

1087
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: with me. And then after the game of that playing

1088
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: that played pretty good. After the game, some dude comes in.

1089
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: He's like smoking a cigaretto. Go sneak, sneak. I was like,

1090
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: mm hmm ice and the ice my knees and the ice.

1091
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: Ice ice. They went outside and again remember this is

1092
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: two thousand one, Okay, this is so I'm sure now

1093
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: they have perfect ice machines and whatever and stem and

1094
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: all that other ship. But they went outside. They actually

1095
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: scooped up snow, put it in a plastic bag or

1096
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: put it in like a bag, like a trash bag,

1097
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: and then you had like two trash bags, just real snow,

1098
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: and that was your ice. I was like, I also

1099
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: remember I landed in Moscow at the big airport, I

1100
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: think shar Meta was the name, and there's before cell

1101
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: phones or their cell phones, but I didn't have one

1102
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: or it didn't work or something, and I had to

1103
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: transfer to another airport and I'm like, how am I

1104
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: gonna find this guy? And there was like Russian writing

1105
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: in a basketball and I was like, that's me. That

1106
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 1: was it. And I got in the car and I

1107
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: just remember being in this car driving through Red Square,

1108
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, if he kills me and pushes me

1109
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: out the side. Who's gonna know, is it? See? I

1110
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: was with Chess CA, so we were taking care of

1111
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: pretty pretty good as pro players should be treated. The

1112
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: cultural difference, mainly for me, was just the language. Like

1113
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't go anywhere and like be myself. I couldn't

1114
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: show emotion, you couldn't relate to anybody like. That was

1115
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: tough for me because basketball last about three hours a

1116
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: day from A to eleven. And then then what you know,

1117
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: you're hopping with your driver, who is somewhat boling. We

1118
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: really nice guy, but I mean, was your your best

1119
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: friend gonna be here driver? Like when you leave the

1120
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: That's what mine was. We got We actually got a

1121
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: Russian tutor so I could speak a little Russian, okay,

1122
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: and then yeah, then we was your driver and I

1123
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: would hang out with Leg was my driver. My driver

1124
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: took me to the mall, We got betting. We did

1125
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 1: all that stuff together because you know, no one else

1126
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: spoke English, boat Russian mine in my situation. So what now?

1127
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: I had hip surgery ten weeks ago, just from wear

1128
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: and tear or from playing high school football, whatever whatever

1129
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: the cause, Maybe decide like it's time to probably hang

1130
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: them up. Started networking here in which ta getting my

1131
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 1: name out there. Got a couple of things that I'm

1132
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: interested in. I would love, you know, just to keep

1133
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: all doors open and kind of see where the wind

1134
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: blows me. I'd love to keep you know, relevance in

1135
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, college or NBA sports whatever that maybe a

1136
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: basketball whatever that job line could be down the road.

1137
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: We'll just have to see. Ever thought about baseball baseball

1138
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: calling calling Collins and games with old Joe Buck no

1139
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: playing playing baseball. They cut like three thousand players, there's

1140
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: no there's no minor leagues, like no minor leagues. And

1141
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: then now all the European teams, basketball teams already have

1142
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: a season and these dudes are waiting around for the draft.

1143
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: It is all screwed up. It is nuts. Just the

1144
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: timetable sports right now is are. But you know, everyone's

1145
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: getting affected. So I can't complain personally. If you never

1146
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: play another basketball game, will that be okay with you? Yeah?

1147
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm happy. Three surgeries, man, in four years as a pro.

1148
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: That's tough. That's tough on the body. I don't want

1149
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: to be your age and having to gimp around and

1150
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: not be able. You want to look as good as me.

1151
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: That's what really what you want this better hair, that's

1152
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: what you want to look as good as me. I mean,

1153
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: you have incredible hair, but now you cut your hair right.

1154
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: That was like your signature. Used to do that, used

1155
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 1: to do that terrible clap look, then you did, then

1156
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: you did the fro and now you know, now you're

1157
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,919
Speaker 1: kind of you got a little Justin Bieber very tight?

1158
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: Was that like the I'm going for the David Beckham

1159
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: now David Beckham just not as good as as him

1160
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: at his sport as I was. Um, if if twenty

1161
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: years from now, you gotta you got family, got kids,

1162
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: what do you want? What's the what's the moment, what's

1163
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: the what's the moment of Rod Baker's career that you're

1164
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: most proud of? Probably just realizing where I came from

1165
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: and where I grew up. And I really think seeing

1166
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: my jersey come down in the rafters will probably be

1167
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: one of the most like surreal moments. He goes up

1168
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: in the rafts. By the way, I didn't come down,

1169
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: goes up in the rafters. You don't bring it down,

1170
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 1: the rafts go down. Okay, Yeah, unfurral. Yes, I like that.

1171
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: That's a good point, at the point where we'll meet

1172
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: in the middle there. I get it. But yeah, just

1173
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: because you know you can put your hold college career

1174
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: into one and it'll be up in that you know

1175
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: the rafters. That's probably gonna be the the defining moment

1176
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: that I'll look back on the most, not the I

1177
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: didn't take a three in the Final four opening top

1178
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: the key. Instead, I was unselfish through the ball. Inside

1179
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: we got in foul trouble. Helo, coach Helo. That one. Yeah,

1180
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: that one's already deleted that one from the memory bank. Sorry,

1181
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: I brought it out of the trash. You hadn't emptied

1182
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: the trash I I brought. I brought it out. Um

1183
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: all right, Uh, last last thing. Um, if if somebody's

1184
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: in a small town, right, like yeah, if somebody's into

1185
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: small town and they have these dreams and aspirations, Now, look,

1186
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: none of them have you come from a really athletic family,

1187
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: None of them have your athletic build. But what do

1188
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: you say to the kid who is in small town

1189
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: USA that feels, hey, I'm not on the a U circuit,

1190
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm not playing with the big enough teams. How how

1191
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: would you go about making it? What's what's the what's

1192
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: the secret to making it my my? From my personal experience,

1193
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: my biggest thing was picking role models for me was

1194
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: my dad was a high school basketball coach and we

1195
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: had a good player that I looked up to. Clinton

1196
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: Johnson was his name, Like, I always want to be

1197
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: like Clint growing up, wanted to play basketball, be like Clint.

1198
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: And I got a little older, like close to middle school,

1199
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: and I started watching Kurt Hinrich. It's like you see

1200
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: role models, you want to idolize them, and then you start,

1201
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, working trying to be like them, imitate them,

1202
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 1: study them. Like that was the biggest thing for me

1203
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 1: growing up because like obviously you said you you gained

1204
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: the competitiveness maybe from your dad, or you gain the

1205
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: skills from your mom. Like once you look up to someone,

1206
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: I think that's where you can start, really you idolizing.

1207
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: They say, your game after somebody, and when you start

1208
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: tasting success and seeing it, seeing yourself do it, and

1209
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: that's when I really took off. I think, so like

1210
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: study your role models. Obviously, do the easy, like the

1211
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: easy things, attitude, effort, like you can control those things.

1212
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: Use those, use those daily. Just work hard, man, like

1213
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: you can't control maybe, how do you not lose your confidence?

1214
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's here, right, Like how do you

1215
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: not like? How do like you? If you're from a

1216
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 1: small town, like you don't got anything to lose, right,

1217
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,480
Speaker 1: I mean you got to use you know, your upbringing

1218
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: and think the little things you learn, you know from

1219
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: your peers. And I'm serious about that role model thing

1220
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 1: that that was so huge for me because we had

1221
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: like four kids in my first grade class. Grow now,

1222
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: like I didn't you know, have you know, a friend

1223
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 1: to go play one on one with. I didn't have

1224
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 1: you know guys, didn't you know make it even if

1225
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: I've on like five players to go travel? Right, that

1226
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: role model thing was huge for me just picking a

1227
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: guy out. I wanted to be like them pursuing it.

1228
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: Just keep going. That's that's the advice I can say

1229
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: that really really propelled me to get where I was.

1230
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: When you see the money that Fred signed for, what

1231
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 1: do you think, Oh, man, that's a lot of zeros.

1232
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: But as you know, you gotta gotta be happy for her.

1233
01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 1: Stories like that and because you know Rockford, Illinois to

1234
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: which are talked into Toronto and you know, being a

1235
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: face of you know, about to be the face of

1236
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: a franchise, like that's a that's a real story. And

1237
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: he gives a platform to you know, young kids to

1238
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 1: idolize like it's like the perfect the perfect dream story.

1239
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 1: Has he changed that Elson's when you first met, No,

1240
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 1: he would when you text him. He didn't go, who

1241
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: do this? Who do I got a new phone? No,

1242
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 1: Fred's always going to be Fred Man, humble, hungry, you

1243
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: don't even care about them eighty five mill. He he

1244
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 1: wants to win and he'll be He'll be working for

1245
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: that next that next deal in five years, I guarantee it. Well, look,

1246
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how I appreciate the vioment, your time,

1247
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 1: but more than anything, you're honesty, especially considering everything's going

1248
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 1: on where you are right now. And I mean this,

1249
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: one of my things is, um, we're friends. We're friends,

1250
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,640
Speaker 1: so when I can help you. Obviously you got a

1251
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 1: good feel for what you want to do. But let's

1252
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: stay in touch and we'll you know, the next chap,

1253
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: we'll we'll do another one in the next chapter. I

1254
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: love it. I brother, have a good day, man, see

1255
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: you guys. Okay, um, I didn't know that's where he

1256
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: was going to go. And it's one of these things

1257
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,839
Speaker 1: where you can be reasonable about your coach and respect

1258
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 1: what he's done for you and know he's made mistakes

1259
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:29,759
Speaker 1: and just hope that I wish that he would admit

1260
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: to said said mistakes, but he hasn't, and it clearly

1261
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: really bothers Ron Baker. Anyway. I cannot speak highly enough

1262
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: for Ron Baker the human being, the leader of a

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Speaker 1: program that he no longer plays for, but he definitely

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Speaker 1: represents and represents it quite well. By the way, if

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Speaker 1: you love interviews like this, my show is a little

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Speaker 1: different on radio. It's three to sixt Eastern, twelve three Pacific,

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio app. It's called the Doug Gottlip Show. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, send me your thought, Tweet this out, send

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Speaker 1: it to a friend. This is what really happened at

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Speaker 1: which to state that is what really happened with Ron Baker,

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Speaker 1: how he came to be an NBA player, and what

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Speaker 1: it was really like for him to play there. I

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed it. I sure did. I'm Doug Golip

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Speaker 1: and this is all ball.