Speaker 1: Check it down Man, down Man, Thursday morning, December one.
Speaker 1: It is the Beating the Book Podcast Megapod Live from
Speaker 1: the d Our Home, each and every week on the megapod,
Speaker 1: Gill Alexander, Mike Palm, Vice President Operations at Circus Sports,
Speaker 1: Derrick Stephen's conciliaria as always here at the d with
Speaker 1: me and Todd wishnep from his mom's cork attic somewhere
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Thank you, gentlemen for being here our
Speaker 1: esteemed guest this week speaking of the conciliary, Mike Palm,
Speaker 1: He's conciliaria as I mentioned, for Derrick Stevens, who runs
Speaker 1: the joint owns the joint Circus Sports. And of course
Speaker 1: the deep part of that, uh can we call it conglomerate?
Speaker 1: Is that? Can we call it a conglomerate? Do you
Speaker 1: like that? Worry? Hey? I guess you could say whatever
Speaker 1: you want on this podcast, but can we ever? Uh?
Speaker 1: Derrick Stevens, everybody, thank you for being here. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: You were kind of to come last year, your annual appearance.
Speaker 1: Can we call an annual parents on the bank upon
Speaker 1: We appreciate it? Man, Thank you, Thanks Gil for inviting me,
Speaker 1: Mike for inviting me, Todd, thank you very much, honored
Speaker 1: to be here, and and you have come equipped with
Speaker 1: your Survivor grid, which I want to get to off
Speaker 1: the top, which is you have got to be because
Speaker 1: you this was all you. You were the guy who
Speaker 1: obviously you have a hand in everything that goes on here,
Speaker 1: but this was really your baby, right Like you wanted
Speaker 1: to do a Survivor concause everybody else was doing handicapping
Speaker 1: standard five games. You guys do that with millions, But
Speaker 1: Survivor in just two years has become so awesome. You've
Speaker 1: got to be truly fulfilled by that. Well, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's uh, it's kind of bitter sweet and subways,
Speaker 1: I kind of uh, you know, I kind of like
Speaker 1: this year the way it's playing out, and get people,
Speaker 1: get people into it. I mean, I've played Survivor for
Speaker 1: more than thirty years, and uh, and and all the
Speaker 1: ups and downs throughout all those decades. You know, I've
Speaker 1: had some great, great sweats over the years, and I
Speaker 1: just really wanted to give an opportunity for for others
Speaker 1: to to participate. I mean, obviously this starts off as
Speaker 1: his office pools and you know, in the Midwest maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit more prevalent. And uh and I just
Speaker 1: thought that Survivor could take off. So all that being said, UM,
Speaker 1: I'm glad we did it last year. I'm very glad
Speaker 1: we're doing it this year. And I'm glad so many
Speaker 1: people made it through the middle of the season to
Speaker 1: be able to kind of start to see a little
Speaker 1: bit of the light at the end of the tunnel
Speaker 1: and understand the strategy behind this. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: like a multiplayer chess match here, this is this is
Speaker 1: true now. At the same point, I also tell you, Um,
Speaker 1: I took a big chunk of profit sharing out of
Speaker 1: some of my guys, like bike and everything else like that,
Speaker 1: because you know, you could build a lot of great
Speaker 1: things when you take a million eight hit on a
Speaker 1: on an idea. So unfortunately, I don't I don't really
Speaker 1: have a scenario where I'm getting fired for it. But uh,
Speaker 1: but but I think we might have been off for that.
Speaker 1: We could chew it our first year. You're saying, if
Speaker 1: somebody else came up with this, they might be I
Speaker 1: don't know. We're pretty we're pretty uh, we're pretty good
Speaker 1: about dealing with ideas. And some work and some don't.
Speaker 1: You know, that's all the thing. We try a lot
Speaker 1: of things, some work, some don't. Mikey, you know, we
Speaker 1: sat in the meeting back in the spring deciding format,
Speaker 1: and and we came down to the end, well, what
Speaker 1: are the guarantees. Do we still want to do a guarantee? Yes,
Speaker 1: we do want to do a guarantee. You know, we
Speaker 1: expected Survivor to grow exponentially. Uh, it was sort of
Speaker 1: you know, harmed by the pandemic last year, and it
Speaker 1: was the first year or not, and we didn't really
Speaker 1: have a chance to introduce into the market of people
Speaker 1: that didn't understand it yet at Dead Pointer hadn't heard
Speaker 1: of it. So we finally got to a discussion point
Speaker 1: where I said, what about four million and four million
Speaker 1: guaranteed for both? And there seemed to be general agreement
Speaker 1: in the room, and and I thought we were gonna,
Speaker 1: We're gonna, you know, end the meeting and go forward.
Speaker 1: And then then Derek said, nah, you know, eight millions
Speaker 1: just not sexy enough nice at oh really, but two
Speaker 1: years ago one point five million was a very sexy number.
Speaker 1: So you know, he wanted to do test sexy inflation
Speaker 1: gets inflation. Tell me, tell me it's all inflation now.
Speaker 1: But so that that's where it was, Gil he said,
Speaker 1: let's let's do ten million. I said, okay, five and no,
Speaker 1: not five and five, not five and six and four,
Speaker 1: six and four. We're gonna get five thousand more people
Speaker 1: than we did last year we had thirty. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get five thousand more people in the Survivor And you
Speaker 1: know it ended up they were both just a little
Speaker 1: over four thousand, four thousand eighty entries and Survivor and
Speaker 1: I don't I don't mean to to not talk about
Speaker 1: circle millions, because obviously that's awesome too, but four thousand
Speaker 1: eighty and Survivor were down to twenty three survived, all
Speaker 1: survived last week twenty one different people with twenty three
Speaker 1: entries because two people have to uh, and there's still
Speaker 1: the possibility of the one million dollar bonus in week eighteen.
Speaker 1: I guess that's what I want to ask you, Derek,
Speaker 1: is um so the rules that you guys both came
Speaker 1: up with the one million dollar bonus at the end,
Speaker 1: if you still have the chiefs and the bucks available. Um. Also,
Speaker 1: of course, the biggest things are the Thanksgiving and Christmas corks,
Speaker 1: thanksgivings a standalone week. Last year you added Christmas Week,
Speaker 1: And in the end, we know people who I didn't
Speaker 1: like that, they thought it added too much luck to
Speaker 1: the process. I would kind of argue that it's awesome
Speaker 1: because it almost adds more strategy to it. Yes, there's
Speaker 1: more luck, but I think the strategy overweighs that you
Speaker 1: you've gotta you've gotta be happy about that too. I
Speaker 1: would think in the washing the end, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: last year when we had thirty five contestants, go eighteen
Speaker 1: and oh and we had just over a thousand contestants,
Speaker 1: I kind of thought, well, you know, obviously, with us
Speaker 1: putting the guarantee out, we thought we're gonna have far
Speaker 1: many more contestants, and we thought that, you know, we
Speaker 1: gotta add a little bit more complexity and a little
Speaker 1: bit more strategy to it. So, um, the NFL gave
Speaker 1: us the gift of the extra week, so that took
Speaker 1: care of one extra leg. But I just didn't think
Speaker 1: nineteen was going to be enough. Um, and I really
Speaker 1: liked the way when the schedule came out that we
Speaker 1: could create this Christmas Week because I think the strategy
Speaker 1: of the Thanksgiving week. Everyone really likes it. And it
Speaker 1: makes you think in week two, in Week three, am
Speaker 1: I gonna shoot the Am I gonna shoot the Bears? Lines?
Speaker 1: Am I gonna shoot shoot the Cowboys? Or something like that.
Speaker 1: So I kind of thought, Okay, we're gonna take that
Speaker 1: same theme and we we have a three day, three
Speaker 1: three game Christmas week between the Thursday and the two
Speaker 1: two Saturday games. And I thought what that would do
Speaker 1: would would create more strategy. So I thought it would
Speaker 1: reduce randomness, reduce luck because now you have to protect
Speaker 1: for these six teams and Thanksgiving and these six teams
Speaker 1: in on Christmas and uh, And I thought I thought
Speaker 1: going a twenty and oh was was going to be uh,
Speaker 1: you know, probably the right number with the number of
Speaker 1: people because because it's not linear tex pinential, I mean,
Speaker 1: the nineteenth you know, the nineteenth selection, the twenties selection
Speaker 1: makes it a lot lot harder. Yeah. And just to
Speaker 1: wrap it up, the Survivor talk to just to let
Speaker 1: people know of those twenty three remaining entries, each value
Speaker 1: currently of over two d sixty thousand dollars almost two
Speaker 1: hundred sixty one thousand uh. For this week's purposes of
Speaker 1: the big favorites, Dallas and Buffalo not available to anybody
Speaker 1: in the field. Sixteen of twenty three have Miami available,
Speaker 1: fifteen of twenty three have San Francisco available, thirteen of
Speaker 1: twenty three have Arizona available, and just four of twenty
Speaker 1: three have Tampa Bay available. Maybe they're saving Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: for the last week. By the way, two of twenty
Speaker 1: three have Kansas City available for that last bonus and
Speaker 1: the other little thing. Ten of twenty three have green
Speaker 1: Bay available for Christmas. Green Bay has all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: looked like the only Christmas play to make um, but
Speaker 1: obviously ten people have that option. Ten entries have that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, back in August, we're talking about how you
Speaker 1: gotta save Arizona, you gotta save Arizona, and that looked
Speaker 1: like that looked like to you know, the initial the
Speaker 1: initial strategy that you gotta hang on to. But then
Speaker 1: what's happened with both Green Bay and Cleveland. Green Bay
Speaker 1: has become probably the play you gotta save for Christmas,
Speaker 1: just become more of the favorite. Now out of all
Speaker 1: out of out of our twenty three entrance, twenty two
Speaker 1: of them have either Green Bay or Arizona. UM. I
Speaker 1: think what you're gonna see, You've got this other team
Speaker 1: that's lurking out there, that has a lot of availability,
Speaker 1: And I think the Tennessee Titans are going to be
Speaker 1: very critical UM for for these entrance moving forward here
Speaker 1: because the availabilities there, and there's a couple of couple
Speaker 1: of situations where you know, when you start thinking about,
Speaker 1: you know the interview did with Joe Peter, you're thinking about, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's one thing to to to make your selection and survive,
Speaker 1: but now you really you really have to evaluate the pot.
Speaker 1: You got to figure out, Okay, what's someone else doing.
Speaker 1: There could be a reason why not taking um one
Speaker 1: of the one of one of those two on Christmas.
Speaker 1: You may have an opportunity to significantly increase your your
Speaker 1: intrinsic value you want to ticket. So you really gotta
Speaker 1: evaluate how you how you play every one of these out.
Speaker 1: I know, I talked to parlay G the other day
Speaker 1: on Sunday. So parlay G is flying in every every
Speaker 1: Sunday morning, and and he's making his own hedge bets
Speaker 1: in the book one of the last entrance, Yeah, one
Speaker 1: of the last entrance, And and he has mapped out
Speaker 1: for every entrance what he expects them to do. I
Speaker 1: think that working his way back. So I thought I
Speaker 1: had a really interesting conversation with with him and Banks
Speaker 1: on Sunday, and I think before the season I said
Speaker 1: it here, which is, I don't think you map out
Speaker 1: the whole season to begin with. I think you played
Speaker 1: a survive early and then you played a win, which
Speaker 1: is what Joe said the other day on Sunday, or
Speaker 1: excuse me on Tuesday on the Numbers game as well. Um,
Speaker 1: really really fascinating game for sure, and then circummillions the lead.
Speaker 1: The leader is what now? Through now, Hannibal barkas first
Speaker 1: and second one of his entries fifty one and nineteen.
Speaker 1: He's in second place at fifty and twenty. Then there's
Speaker 1: a three way tie for third, two of them with
Speaker 1: the same person, Derbify and mad Russian has the other
Speaker 1: one at forty and twenty one. So Barkers got a
Speaker 1: two game lead over those three and and an entry
Speaker 1: in between him as well. With four weeks to go. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to think about millions and
Speaker 1: any handicapping contest anymore. In the NFL, with five games
Speaker 1: a week, you don't want to take away anything for
Speaker 1: obviously he's got one end to their right, But like,
Speaker 1: is it anything but a massive pool where one person
Speaker 1: is just sort of randomly going to be awesome? Because
Speaker 1: is there any rhyme or reason to this? Like Las
Speaker 1: Vegas Chris had two great years, James Selinas had two
Speaker 1: great years. Even that's not a big enough sample size
Speaker 1: right to like really know if you can do this.
Speaker 1: As Roxy Roxboro famously says, gil nobody wins at football
Speaker 1: all the term nobody and that was even back then.
Speaker 1: Now good for him man or good for her whoever
Speaker 1: it is. Remember when Hannibal Barker was at like se
Speaker 1: and PAULI had the theory let's fade him the whole
Speaker 1: rest of the way. That don't. But it's interesting with
Speaker 1: two entries here, or even for derbify with two At
Speaker 1: what point do you because they've been making same entries
Speaker 1: with these right, what point two weeks left, one week left,
Speaker 1: do you vary at the end? I think I think so,
Speaker 1: because that's the that's the hammer at the end if
Speaker 1: you have that option. Yeah, yeah, still too early with
Speaker 1: four weeks left in in millions millions three by the way, Todd.
Speaker 1: How do we do last week? God Todd, who was
Speaker 1: not changed since the Ivan Power administration. Now, it's interesting
Speaker 1: that when you and Mikey agreed, it didn't work out
Speaker 1: so well for the two of you. The Wolfie football team,
Speaker 1: which I was also going to take, but when I
Speaker 1: saw YouTube take it, I realized that was a mistake.
Speaker 1: I stayed away from the Woofties, and the Woofties did.
Speaker 1: What the woofs do is defense organization. We made the
Speaker 1: pick on Thursday, we found out Saturday they wouldn't have
Speaker 1: half their defense. It's like the entire practice squad. I think,
Speaker 1: now you need a defense. Come on, I'm a payers.
Speaker 1: It's just funny that whenever you got whenever more than
Speaker 1: like two of us agreed, that pick never wins. You
Speaker 1: guys also agreed on Arizona on Monday Night Football and
Speaker 1: took it in the Old Key Star on that one
Speaker 1: as well, So both of you guys went one and two.
Speaker 1: I also went one in two with my every week winner,
Speaker 1: Jack's under my Jags under wins every week. That's the
Speaker 1: only thing I picked correctly. My loss is the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 1: which I totally deserved the whole way and Buffalo. That
Speaker 1: was a joke. That was a joke that I didn't
Speaker 1: deserve to cover at the end when I should have covered,
Speaker 1: because clearly the Bills were the wrong side the whole time,
Speaker 1: and then they were going to cover, and then Jets.
Speaker 1: The Jets didn't really have a chance. So that was
Speaker 1: a bad pick on the teeth. So basically the standings
Speaker 1: say the same. Mike is eighteen twenty and one, You're
Speaker 1: a half game behind at eighteen and twenty one. I'm
Speaker 1: two behind in the lost column. I'm sorry, I messed
Speaker 1: it up. You are seventeen going the wrong way. You
Speaker 1: are nineteen and twenty three. Mikey is two and one,
Speaker 1: stays at half a game ahead of you again, and
Speaker 1: I am eighteen and twenty four. On the teaser side,
Speaker 1: everybody won their teasers, so you are six and seven
Speaker 1: one Mikey seven and seven, and I am nine and
Speaker 1: five Mikey with an incredibly lucky teaser win. When the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers decided, well, actually when the guy on Minnesota
Speaker 1: decided to taunt at twenty nine to nothing. As soon
Speaker 1: as he did it, I said to myself, watch that
Speaker 1: be important, And all of a sudden. Here we go,
Speaker 1: and we're back into the old NFL. It comes down
Speaker 1: to the last play. It doesn't matter if it's twenty
Speaker 1: nine and nothing. It's always going to come down to
Speaker 1: the last play. Pittsburgh got the ball the way to
Speaker 1: the twelve yards. By the way, the ball was in
Speaker 1: Friar moves hands in the end zone. He could have
Speaker 1: fought that ball for a touchdown. That was unbelievable. Nice
Speaker 1: job by Chase Claypool a wasting time with his first down.
Speaker 1: And then to blame the guard that came over and
Speaker 1: tried to get the ball from him. He blamed the guard. Well,
Speaker 1: it was it all wrong right, like he started the
Speaker 1: stupidity and then the guard made it worse. Joe Green
Speaker 1: had the best quote. Who said, what are we doing
Speaker 1: trying to win games? Or show are behinds? Did Joe
Speaker 1: Green have a nickname? By the way, he was mean,
Speaker 1: by the way, when that's happening, aren't you guys just
Speaker 1: saying to yourself Kirk Cousins, what he is? Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: gonna thro my friend texting he goes, Kirk Cousin's gonna
Speaker 1: throw a pick six here immediately threw that interception to
Speaker 1: the guy. I don't know how the Steeler's defensive back
Speaker 1: didn't get in the end zone, but he threw that interception,
Speaker 1: and you're just like, what, how is this happening every week?
Speaker 1: That Kirk, because it's unbelievable. He ran out of gas
Speaker 1: after fifteen years. I didn't get that. I texted I
Speaker 1: was like, how did he not score? All? Right, let
Speaker 1: me ask you this question when Tom was down fifteen
Speaker 1: and he scores. I don't like going for two there
Speaker 1: because it takes all the momentum out of their sales
Speaker 1: when they don't get the two another down nine. I
Speaker 1: know some people say you want you want to know
Speaker 1: how many times? But I thought it stunted the momentum
Speaker 1: right there for them. Yeah, had rufus. That's the age
Speaker 1: old argument. Do you want to know ahead of time
Speaker 1: what you need or do you do you want to
Speaker 1: keep the momentum. I don't think there's a right or wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think most people. Most people were offended, right.
Speaker 1: I got like at least three or four tweets when
Speaker 1: Baltimore tried to take it from nine to seven. And
Speaker 1: I do think it's about knowing the future. Right, you
Speaker 1: want to know what you need. There is the old
Speaker 1: school thought, which is what you're talking about. Mikey. Doesn't
Speaker 1: make it the wrong thought. It's the old school thought,
Speaker 1: which is, no, you want your players having the mentality
Speaker 1: that it's only one more store. But it's really not
Speaker 1: one more score, right, It's that you gotta go six
Speaker 1: and two, and if you leave that too for the end,
Speaker 1: you're just leaving it up to the gods at that point.
Speaker 1: But the nine and seven is different, Gilly, because in
Speaker 1: the nine and seven you're taking yourself out of even
Speaker 1: having that opportunity to get the last touchdown if you
Speaker 1: miss it. What Mikey saying on the fifteen is just
Speaker 1: wait to do it on the last one is opposed
Speaker 1: to do it on the earlier one. Those are two
Speaker 1: sort of different, a little bit a little bit different.
Speaker 1: Nine let's just take nine and nine to seven versus
Speaker 1: eight to six. Nine to seven is about knowing the future,
Speaker 1: knowing what you need. Eight to six is actually a
Speaker 1: mathematical probability enhancement for winning. You actually should go from
Speaker 1: eight to six. But Mike, you run it up about fifteen.
Speaker 1: At fifteen, should they have should they have just kicked
Speaker 1: the extra point? There, and he's he's he's of the
Speaker 1: opinion that you want to keep the momentum rolling, which
Speaker 1: you know, I don't have a problem with that. It
Speaker 1: was like the self fulfilling prophecy for all the Minnesota's
Speaker 1: fans watching Cousins implode in a game that they absolutely
Speaker 1: were dominating. Right, So I thought that kind of took
Speaker 1: a little bit of the pressure off of Cousins the
Speaker 1: next drive, knowing they were still up two scores with
Speaker 1: four minutes to go or five minutes to go. All right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about third before we get to our best bets.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. I don't know, by the way,
Speaker 1: I have no idea who we're all getting the three
Speaker 1: best bets this week. Um, but Thursday Night Football tonight
Speaker 1: it is now a three and a half point spread.
Speaker 1: So it's gone from three to four to three and
Speaker 1: a half, three to four to three, back to three
Speaker 1: and a half in favor of the Chiefs tonight all
Speaker 1: the road against the Charges. So the issue with so
Speaker 1: many of our games official podcast, uh, the issue is
Speaker 1: that Chris Jones COVID for the Chiefs, Rashawn Slater, they
Speaker 1: standing out offensive line for the Chargers COVID. Probably I
Speaker 1: think it means more that's laters out, but that's that's
Speaker 1: just my opinion. The issue is that both Austin Ekeler
Speaker 1: and Derwin James are questionable. So I'm not sure how
Speaker 1: I can make any pre flop bet on this not
Speaker 1: knowing if those two guys are playing or not, or
Speaker 1: either of those two guys. You guys have any bets
Speaker 1: on this game tonight so far? UM, I do not.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, people often ask what are you
Speaker 1: gonna need? Well, when you have a situation like what's
Speaker 1: going on this week, that's come in far later because
Speaker 1: no one wants to make an early best. So our
Speaker 1: our volume on this game, which should be over the top,
Speaker 1: it's not as of right now because exactly for the
Speaker 1: reasons you stated, people want to wait. Um, I think
Speaker 1: if you had to make a play right now, I
Speaker 1: think you've got to be looking at the chargers. Chargers
Speaker 1: are at home charges the money, and then the way
Speaker 1: COVID plays out, you may have you may have a
Speaker 1: certain move where you're gonna get a lot of value
Speaker 1: on the chargers play over the next let's say six hours,
Speaker 1: where I have a hard time believing you can get
Speaker 1: a lot of value out of a Chief's play because
Speaker 1: at three and a half, it doesn't really make that
Speaker 1: much of a difference if it goes to a five
Speaker 1: and a half. Effectively, Yeah, I mean you got the four.
Speaker 1: But but I think if you had to make a
Speaker 1: play right now, um and considering that um, the COVID
Speaker 1: numbers maybe random, I would take the I would take
Speaker 1: the Charges. I think I agree with all of that,
Speaker 1: liking you, Eileen, Chiefs, but I think this is the
Speaker 1: way you play this because I think the Charges when
Speaker 1: tonight they're going to run the table and win the West.
Speaker 1: You lay one sixty five with the Chiefs tonight and
Speaker 1: you can find plus two forty to win the division
Speaker 1: with the Chargers. That's how you would play. That's how
Speaker 1: I would Okay, alright, look at mikey go, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: The the the uh I think that you know, I've
Speaker 1: only said it five million times, but I think people
Speaker 1: are starting to get the idea you have to these
Speaker 1: games in game, and this could not be any more
Speaker 1: of the most obvious scenario now this week, when everybody's
Speaker 1: out in every single game, you have no idea who's playing.
Speaker 1: Just watch the damn game and then bet. My god,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you wait to makes no sense. I've never
Speaker 1: heard you mentioned that before the first time. I know,
Speaker 1: I've never mentioned that. I've never mentioned But you know
Speaker 1: what if the guys, if you want to keep betting pregame,
Speaker 1: go ahead, keep betting pregame. All right, Well, we have
Speaker 1: to make three pregame bets here, Todd. That's how this works.
Speaker 1: So uh, it's it's increasingly difficult because there's so many
Speaker 1: other games with moving parts. But Derek will start with you,
Speaker 1: what as of Thursday morning? Anyway? And this is the problem.
Speaker 1: We do this earlier, earlier in the week, obviously with
Speaker 1: with not complete information. But what's your first best bet? Well,
Speaker 1: let me let me just ask Todd. Todd, you listed
Speaker 1: out the records of Mike, Gil and yourself. Do you
Speaker 1: ever keep records of who the how the guests have done? Yes?
Speaker 1: How have the guests done? Uh? You know what? I
Speaker 1: don't have their cumulative I can tell you, I mean,
Speaker 1: have all their pack How did Jeff you do last week?
Speaker 1: For instance? Okay, Jeff Shorts, he had chiefs Raiders under
Speaker 1: forty eight that didn't seem to come through the Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers minus three and a half of the miracle
Speaker 1: overtime and the Niners minus one and a half, which
Speaker 1: also was pretty fortunate. I would say, yeah, two and one,
Speaker 1: and then his his teaser was Green Bay minus six
Speaker 1: and a half and Seattle minus two and a half.
Speaker 1: The week prior to that we had Dr Bob. He
Speaker 1: had the Buffalo minus two and a half that week
Speaker 1: that was in New England week. I think so that
Speaker 1: he lost that. I think he had Seattle plus three
Speaker 1: and a half. I forget who they were playing and
Speaker 1: in the minus ten I think he went to In
Speaker 1: one as well. I mean we I could go back
Speaker 1: and look through and see where their records are as
Speaker 1: a cumulative if he really wanted me to that they
Speaker 1: we're playing the forty Niners. He went to in one. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he went to I can even get Derrick Stevens.
Speaker 1: We had this guy named Derek Stevens on last year
Speaker 1: and I have his guest picks too, if you want
Speaker 1: to know, boy that I do looking for. He's very
Speaker 1: good at creating sexy football contests. That's for sure, all right,
Speaker 1: Derek number one for you number one. Um, I will
Speaker 1: take after what we saw with UH with Arizona UM
Speaker 1: for the first time this season. I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: like the Detroit Lions at home plus their team. I
Speaker 1: just think there may be an opportunity here where this
Speaker 1: is a game that Arizona needs to win. But this
Speaker 1: is one of those types of games where Dan Campbell
Speaker 1: seems to be keeping his team in UH in the games. UM.
Speaker 1: I know that they are severe running back issues last
Speaker 1: week and got blown out, but this is the This
Speaker 1: is the type of type of game where you get
Speaker 1: a little bit of a Lion's comeback. I be the
Speaker 1: Lions in a far different light than I look at
Speaker 1: the Raiders, to be honest, I I think the Raiders
Speaker 1: maybe one of the worst teams in football today, where
Speaker 1: I don't think the Lions are the worst team in football.
Speaker 1: So Lions plus thirteen would be my first selection. All right,
Speaker 1: thee Yeah, the Raiders. The Raiders seem like dead men
Speaker 1: walking it did they just they just look like they're
Speaker 1: just done. How about that Saturday the Raiders and the
Speaker 1: Browns where the Browns are completely decimated, their starters all
Speaker 1: on the COVID list. We don't know if Baker Mayfield's playing,
Speaker 1: if not will be case Keenum and then the Raiders.
Speaker 1: We don't know if Darren Waller is playing. And now
Speaker 1: the Raiders are favorites in that game. I know you
Speaker 1: have a play on that coming. I'm Mike, what's your number? One?
Speaker 1: Is that from going to take the Browns? That's the
Speaker 1: number now, Todd. It's moving every minute. Brown's plus what
Speaker 1: I see Brown's plus one one one and a half.
Speaker 1: I say plus one is mostly whatever it is now. Look,
Speaker 1: I think this is an overreaction if it's just mainly
Speaker 1: based on Baker Mayfield. I've been calling for a month
Speaker 1: for case keenem to be playing with a lot of
Speaker 1: us have Yeah, he's better right now, he's better. Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield is just inaccurate. I think that they almost gave
Speaker 1: away that game to a team with no quarterback. They
Speaker 1: couldn't throw the ball last week, right, That's that's unfathomable.
Speaker 1: And and you know the Raiders. I agree with what
Speaker 1: Derek saying. They're in the worst spot, maybe than the Lions.
Speaker 1: Paul Howard said two weeks ago he didn't think the
Speaker 1: Raiders would win another game this year, and he might
Speaker 1: just be right. He probably could have got a pretty
Speaker 1: nice price on that that they lose their last six games. Um,
Speaker 1: but they're in bad shape. They can't really move the
Speaker 1: ball without Waller. I mean they were done four minutes
Speaker 1: into that game in Kansas City, Uh this past weekend.
Speaker 1: I just you know, when you look at the odds
Speaker 1: boards right now, the Browns are the second choice and
Speaker 1: not far behind the Ravens to win the a f
Speaker 1: C North. They're still in this thing through all of
Speaker 1: their problems. Let's not forget how good their offensive line is.
Speaker 1: They have a lot of talent, they can rush the passer.
Speaker 1: I gotta take the Browns. I think, you know, moving
Speaker 1: this game eight points is too much of an overreaction.
Speaker 1: This would really stink for the Browns, who are seven
Speaker 1: and six and in it if this is what caused
Speaker 1: them not to make the playoffs. But that's the first
Speaker 1: of two games on Saturday, and Mike, I think what
Speaker 1: keep thinking. What you just said is that it is
Speaker 1: um the determination on whether Waller will play. Yes, I
Speaker 1: could argue that I would argue that that Darren Waller
Speaker 1: might be a top ten most impactful player on any
Speaker 1: on any team, maybe even a top five, because with
Speaker 1: offense and defense, I'm just saying believe, whether Waller's playing
Speaker 1: or not, he is the most impactful. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: putting him up there like you know, you got what
Speaker 1: if Brady's out makes a big difference. But Waller Rodgers
Speaker 1: is number one. I mean, certainly I'm saying Rogers, Rogers, Brady.
Speaker 1: But Darren Waller has such an incredible impact on this
Speaker 1: Raiders team. So for me to play that game that
Speaker 1: that'd be one, I would definitely need to know one
Speaker 1: way or the other. Cont to I say it on
Speaker 1: the numbers, theame all the time. You can't bet on
Speaker 1: the Raiders if Waller is not playing, But if he's playing,
Speaker 1: it's a completely different story. It's sort of the same
Speaker 1: with the Falcons and Cordarrell Patterson. It's sort of the
Speaker 1: same with the Niners in debot, though not as much.
Speaker 1: But I completely agree with the Waller thing. That's the
Speaker 1: first of two games on Saturday. Obviously, the Colts Patriots
Speaker 1: game is another market game Saturday Night, which is great
Speaker 1: to have Saturday NFL. Dodd your first pick. I like
Speaker 1: what Mikey said up with Baker Mayfield. I mean, every
Speaker 1: time I watched those progressive commercials of Baker Mayfield. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking that progressive by like the jersey of last year's
Speaker 1: guy who got cut from the team. I mean, they
Speaker 1: made this entire giant spend on Baker Mayfield being the
Speaker 1: face of this big giant commercial thing. He might not
Speaker 1: even be the best quarterback on his team. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. So I mean, I love I love Mikey's pick.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pick it because I have to, you know,
Speaker 1: catch up on Mikey, but I like that pick. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with my best pick. As uh, the Bengals
Speaker 1: plus three. That's why I think that. I think the Bengals.
Speaker 1: That means we can't win this one. Um the Bengals
Speaker 1: plus three last week. You know, the Bengals really joint
Speaker 1: that game away when they when the guy punted late
Speaker 1: in the first half and they fumbled the ball on
Speaker 1: muff the punt, and then they stop him and another
Speaker 1: stupid taunting. With these stupid tauntings, it's unbelievable, and to
Speaker 1: give him another chance, and then the Niners get a
Speaker 1: touch on. Now it's seventeen six, and now you're behind
Speaker 1: the eight ball. But even with all of that, now
Speaker 1: you're down twenty to six and this team just Burrow
Speaker 1: has a he has that it factor. He has that
Speaker 1: it factor. I think Burrow is gonna be a real
Speaker 1: star in the league, if he's not already star. To
Speaker 1: come back from twenty to six to take it all
Speaker 1: the way to overtime. Granted, now they take the lead
Speaker 1: and then they blow it over. To me, that was
Speaker 1: a lot of four to two. There was like the
Speaker 1: opposite of Gilly iis tennis game. It was like, we're
Speaker 1: gonna dig deep. We're gonna hang in this game no
Speaker 1: matter what happens. We're down two touchdoes, We're not quitting.
Speaker 1: We're gonna hang in against a good team and we're
Speaker 1: gonna keep battling. And that's what I love about the Bengals,
Speaker 1: and I think they're gonna be able to keep it
Speaker 1: close against the Broncos team that we all know is
Speaker 1: just mediocre. Everybody knows they're just mediocre. Pretty decent defense.
Speaker 1: They'll play John Fox football, try not to lose, and
Speaker 1: I think the Bengals can stay inside the number, if
Speaker 1: not win the game out right. By the way, we're
Speaker 1: getting the full three are we're just getting the two
Speaker 1: and a half here, Let's be fair. I think we're
Speaker 1: getting three now two and a half minus one, Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'll take the two. I'll take two and half. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just want to be fair. I'm not like Mike.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna win since it is my number one
Speaker 1: as well. Not only not only the two muffed puns Todd,
Speaker 1: not only the targeting call, but Cincinnati also had the
Speaker 1: both fourth and one and fourth and two on another
Speaker 1: drive inside the red zone. So two drives in the
Speaker 1: red zones where they settled for field goals fourth and
Speaker 1: one and fourth and two. So it was a combination
Speaker 1: of bad special teams play, their poor decision making, and
Speaker 1: a horrible call. And yet in the end they got
Speaker 1: it to overtime against the Niners and you still almost
Speaker 1: pull it out, and still almost pulled it out. That's
Speaker 1: what That's what overtime usually indicates. Yeah, so Cincinnati. This
Speaker 1: this was the one line on guessing lines on Monday
Speaker 1: where I had no understanding of why Denver was favored
Speaker 1: none whatsoever, So I thought Cincinnati should be two and
Speaker 1: a half point favorites. Then this line has not moved
Speaker 1: all week, which is surprising to me. So Cincinnati is
Speaker 1: my number one pick. I ask a question. I asked
Speaker 1: him all this before the Cincinnati Charger against Chargers, right,
Speaker 1: And I said, who is the better quarterback, Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: or Justin Herbert? And he said, is that question a joke?
Speaker 1: It's not even close? That is Joe Burrow that it's
Speaker 1: not close, it's a I disagree with that. I disagree.
Speaker 1: I think he's just trying to be uh provocative with that.
Speaker 1: Those two guys, let's just take them both. Those two
Speaker 1: guys have ruined rookie quarterbacks forever now, because those five
Speaker 1: guys that were drafted this last year, you know, Mac
Speaker 1: Jones ended up in a great situation. If he plays
Speaker 1: for another team, we don't know how good he is.
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence ended up in a bad situation. If he
Speaker 1: ends up in a good situation, we don't know how
Speaker 1: good he is. But the group of five as a whole,
Speaker 1: like you're trying to live up to that standard just
Speaker 1: recent history. This next draft class isn't supposed to be
Speaker 1: as good as this last one was, So I don't
Speaker 1: know how you can say one of those guys is
Speaker 1: so much better than the other. I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: agrees with that, do they? I just thought it was
Speaker 1: a good question. I think I think asked a hundred people,
Speaker 1: not more than fifty five are gonna stay one way.
Speaker 1: I don't think a Mall even believes that. I think
Speaker 1: he's just trying to be prova. Derek number two, number two,
Speaker 1: I like what's happening with Stafford. Rams are coming together
Speaker 1: and I will think the l a rams uh um
Speaker 1: and uh. I lay the points here from my second
Speaker 1: selection minus four and a half now in another game
Speaker 1: that because of COVID has moved tremendously. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the biggest thing of the of the biggest theme in
Speaker 1: the NFL right now is how wildly these lines are
Speaker 1: moving because of COVID, because we don't know about certain players,
Speaker 1: but COVID specifically has moved you know, that line from
Speaker 1: seven to four and a half. Obviously, we just talked
Speaker 1: about the Browns and the Raiders. That's the biggest move
Speaker 1: of all of them. And we still haven't heard non
Speaker 1: COVID about Josh Allen, we still haven't heard about Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: Those line moves probably pending, certainly pending if we find
Speaker 1: out that either of those two guys are not playing.
Speaker 1: Mikey number two, we before Mikey goes, can I just
Speaker 1: make a point about that real quick, because I think
Speaker 1: you get even more value on in game now, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, Because they're going to make these
Speaker 1: opinions on what happens pre game, and they're gonna move
Speaker 1: the line right. And they may be right that they're
Speaker 1: moving it a lot, and they may be wrong that
Speaker 1: they're moving it a lot, But if you're watching the game,
Speaker 1: the in game line is going to be based on
Speaker 1: the pre game line. If you're watching the game and
Speaker 1: you realize, hey, wait a second, they made a huge
Speaker 1: mistake in changing this way too far, they still have
Speaker 1: to make the rest of the in game lines off
Speaker 1: of that in game incorrect line. So in a sense,
Speaker 1: you have even more value by watching now because there's
Speaker 1: gonna be such a disparity of what what are these
Speaker 1: teams really worth? Is COVID knocking them really four points
Speaker 1: out of whack? Is Baker Mayfield not being they're really
Speaker 1: knocking these games seven points out of whack. You watch
Speaker 1: the first quarter and you're like, wait a second, Yeah
Speaker 1: they might have COVID, but they don't look that bad,
Speaker 1: then the whole thing is messed up and you get
Speaker 1: to bet into lines. They're messed up from the beginning
Speaker 1: to point, Todd, Absolutely a great point. We talked about
Speaker 1: that last week as well. That you know, obviously, the
Speaker 1: way some of the algorithms work here, they take you
Speaker 1: to account the opening, the opening. I'm sorry of the
Speaker 1: closing line. And your point is exactly on exactly because
Speaker 1: it's greatly impacting, greatly impacting the end game, and it
Speaker 1: gives you additional value in that first and second quarter.
Speaker 1: It's a great point, Toddy. Mikey number two. Hit it, Todd.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take to Miami Dolphins. Miami Dolphins, they have
Speaker 1: won a million in a row. Let's hope it stops
Speaker 1: when we need Mikey to get in hell. We need
Speaker 1: Mikey to get in hell. Brian Flores, please get dumb,
Speaker 1: Please get dough. I've been on this Dolphins team for
Speaker 1: a while now. And look, it's kind of funny because
Speaker 1: Survivors become a play against the Jets again like it
Speaker 1: was last year, right when everybody was basically fading two teams,
Speaker 1: even we had somebody picked the Saints on the road
Speaker 1: last week, right, I mean, I mean, that's kind of
Speaker 1: the courageous pick there, but they're bad. They're a small team.
Speaker 1: Look at this Jets team on the TV. They're small.
Speaker 1: The running back is small. That Mormon quarterback seems very small. Okay,
Speaker 1: they seemed very they seem very small. They seem yeah,
Speaker 1: they seem very small. Like they're just they're playing they're
Speaker 1: playing NFL, the NFL, but they're they're not big enough team.
Speaker 1: They're horrific. How could they how could they be so
Speaker 1: out of that game? I mean when Todd made that pick,
Speaker 1: I didn't love it last week, but I didn't hate
Speaker 1: it to the way that they performed against You know,
Speaker 1: a team was really doesn't have an NFL quarterback as
Speaker 1: well in in the Saints and the Dolphins defense. I
Speaker 1: put him in the top five. They're consistent flores. Like
Speaker 1: you say about Belichick, he didn't stop knowing how to
Speaker 1: coach the first six seven weeks of the season. I
Speaker 1: still think he's one of the top coaches. And the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: believe it or not, starting out one and seven, are
Speaker 1: still in the playoff hunt. Here. I like the Dolphins
Speaker 1: to win this game convincingly. Learned that the Jets played
Speaker 1: him pretty tough. A couple of weeks ago. Not concerned Todd.
Speaker 1: When Mikey was alive in the nineteen forties and Sid
Speaker 1: Luckman was playing. I know how that podcast went. Why
Speaker 1: that little Jewish quarterback? It's very small, you know, the Jews.
Speaker 1: The Jews have the smallest quarterbacks, and then comes the Mormons,
Speaker 1: then comes to Christians. The Muslims actually have a huge quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Kaepernick was pretty bigger. You know, go ahead, DoD what's
Speaker 1: number two? Uh? My number two pick is going to be.
Speaker 1: I don't really want to do this, but I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Um,
Speaker 1: what what number? What number do you guys have in
Speaker 1: that game? Got eleven? Oh? By the way, Mike, I
Speaker 1: have you down from Miami minus nine and a half.
Speaker 1: That's the fair line. Okay, okay, So I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay minus eleven in this game against the Saints.
Speaker 1: You know what, you didn't impress me, Mr Saints be
Speaker 1: the Jets for every reason that that Mikey just said.
Speaker 1: And that game wasn't really a blowout. It was sort
Speaker 1: of hanging in the balance a little bit there, And
Speaker 1: I just still don't believe that taste some Hill is
Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback. He's not an NFL quarterback. This is
Speaker 1: this is football from the nineteen fifties. This guy, I mean,
Speaker 1: he could throw the ball a little bit, but remember
Speaker 1: what happened against Dallas. And now you're gonna go against
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. They're gonna be able to move the ball.
Speaker 1: They move the ball against everyone. They were crushing Buffalo
Speaker 1: that game. They're gonna score zillion points. And you're telling
Speaker 1: me that a guy a team with no quarterbacks going
Speaker 1: to keep up with them. It's not gonna happen that
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay is getting their twenty eight or thirty
Speaker 1: one points. Now you've got to get taste some Hill
Speaker 1: to twenty points. Taysom Hill can't do it. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: giving me the Buccaneers minus eleven. The general sentiment for
Speaker 1: me is that Cincinnati is clearly my number one man
Speaker 1: two and three. I'm already struggling this week because there's
Speaker 1: just so many reasons not to play it like I don't.
Speaker 1: I prefer with Buffalo for Josh Allen to be ruled
Speaker 1: out and then for the line to crash with Drabinsky,
Speaker 1: and then to take Buffalo in a much lower number,
Speaker 1: but that's not here on Thursday morning yet. Um, I
Speaker 1: think in the end, what I'm going to go with
Speaker 1: here is I hate to say this, I think I'm
Speaker 1: taking the Green Bay Packers at minus five and a
Speaker 1: half on the road against Baltimore green Bay Hackers. That's
Speaker 1: going to be trouble. Yeah, that could be very that
Speaker 1: could be very big trouble. Um. We don't know if
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's playing. We just saw on the screen here.
Speaker 1: It's a day to day on Lamar Jackson as we
Speaker 1: do this on Thursday morning. But Eric Eager Dr. Eric Eager,
Speaker 1: by the way, was on Pro Football Focus, he was
Speaker 1: on favorite of many at Visa. He was on Primetime
Speaker 1: Action last night and we he he said he made
Speaker 1: a comedy. Said Baltimore knows that their team is not good.
Speaker 1: They know that players too through fifty three are not
Speaker 1: up to par. And um, I think they get that,
Speaker 1: and I think Baltimore is free fallen. And I think
Speaker 1: green Bay just goes out there and beats anybody that's
Speaker 1: in front of them. It's not a very deep analysis,
Speaker 1: but on a card where there's very little to to find,
Speaker 1: I think I trust them more than anybody and I
Speaker 1: think if it's Huntley, I'm getting a good line here.
Speaker 1: So minus five and a half on Green Bay number two,
Speaker 1: and I think, Todd, You're right, Oh, this feels like
Speaker 1: trouble that number two for me. Derek third and final,
Speaker 1: So I have a question and rule sets here because
Speaker 1: my third selection was already selected, It's okay, Yeah, well
Speaker 1: then I'm then I'm gonna jump in with Mike Palm
Speaker 1: on the Miami Dolphins. I think the Miami Dolphins is
Speaker 1: gonna will be one of the top selected teams this
Speaker 1: weekend Survivor. And I like the way this Dolphins things
Speaker 1: playing out here. So Miami Dolphins was my selection, So
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to trying to jump ahead of anything,
Speaker 1: but like I like, I like the Dolphins. So I'm
Speaker 1: with Mike. But you and mikey are going with a
Speaker 1: team that now has covered like a million in a row.
Speaker 1: Do you guys have any concern with the fact, like
Speaker 1: typically in NFL season's teams don't just cover forever week
Speaker 1: after week. All coin flips are independent, Toddy. Everything's chips
Speaker 1: are independent, Todd. I I fall into that category. I
Speaker 1: don't like betting on NFL teams that have covered four
Speaker 1: times in a row. I I just generally think you
Speaker 1: always ever regress in or you've got line movement that
Speaker 1: uh that equalizes things. I mean, I think I think
Speaker 1: actually taking a Martin Gale on Losers is the only
Speaker 1: time in Martin Gale on a handicapped element could potentially
Speaker 1: make sense. Um, So I'm generally against it. But but
Speaker 1: I just think this Jets team is us falling apart.
Speaker 1: Right about the Cleveland Cavaliers. They've covered thirteen in a row. Yeah, incredible,
Speaker 1: one night of eleven the greatest team has ever lived.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but what a night in the NBA
Speaker 1: it was. And I know that's not off top, but
Speaker 1: one of the best nights I remember in the NBA
Speaker 1: back and forth at bizarre ending in Dallas where they
Speaker 1: fought for each other for the rebound. It was quite
Speaker 1: a night. By the way, you said, I saw that
Speaker 1: thing that that Cleveland caveators covered with thirteen a row.
Speaker 1: Are they covering really close? Like do they have a
Speaker 1: bunch that covered by like a one or they're covering big.
Speaker 1: They're covering pretty substantially, Todd. Last night they were sure
Speaker 1: there were the five, five and a half and the
Speaker 1: h what's the total on the forty nine or Falcon
Speaker 1: game that you have their Todd Falcons. I have forty
Speaker 1: six and a half as well. Go over Todd for
Speaker 1: my final pick over forty and a half. The Falcons
Speaker 1: aren't stopping anybody, and this this forty nine or running
Speaker 1: game when they have deepo Samuel as a running element.
Speaker 1: They are so good and yet the defense could not
Speaker 1: I mean stop Cincinnati in the fourth quarter of that game.
Speaker 1: Is Cincinnati forged their way back into a tie and
Speaker 1: not in overtime either, really, I mean the sack on
Speaker 1: third downer, I think Cincinnati is gonna win that game
Speaker 1: and score a touchdown with the opening possession of overtime.
Speaker 1: Taylor played it so conservative, almost like the way Naggie
Speaker 1: did on Sunday Night with the Bears. I mean, playing
Speaker 1: so conservative hunting from the plus. I mean, who has
Speaker 1: the theory let's make Aaron Rodgers paid, Let's let's had
Speaker 1: a nonsense is that if you had Matt Naggie first
Speaker 1: coach fired, that's a bad beat that you know you
Speaker 1: don't he doesn't get fired Monday, and then dumb Urban
Speaker 1: kicks the kicker and doesn't know which players are on
Speaker 1: the field and all that stuff so over and because
Speaker 1: the Urban Meyer Higher the worst now that we can
Speaker 1: look back on it, is it the worst higher in
Speaker 1: the history of the NFL given his breath of work
Speaker 1: over you know, the months that he was on the
Speaker 1: job January to December. I guess I can't find you can't.
Speaker 1: I mean, those are all the field. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's the worst. It was a sound show from day one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Colin Coward had a good tweet. He said, coaching in
Speaker 1: the NFL is hard. It's not as hard as Urban
Speaker 1: Meyer made it. Look. That's exactly right. And also, you
Speaker 1: know what it also tells me all these in and
Speaker 1: then I know this is gonna get todd to be
Speaker 1: like well, of course, but it just is another sort
Speaker 1: of thing because no one else will say it. These
Speaker 1: college coaches that everybody worships are idiots. Thank you. I've
Speaker 1: said it ridiculous, not all you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: the ones that they have they have huge Scott, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's give it. I mean, it's unbelievable the egos of
Speaker 1: these guys and how absolutely ridiculous they are as human
Speaker 1: beings and by the ways, as football coaches too. Ryan
Speaker 1: Day was a better coach than urban Meyer the day
Speaker 1: he arrived on the field as the head coach. I
Speaker 1: think most Ohio State people feel that they do that
Speaker 1: way right away, not just well, it's like when you're
Speaker 1: you're watching these college games, there's there's two minutes and
Speaker 1: seconds left and you're winning the game, and they don't
Speaker 1: tell the quarterback don't snap the ball with seconds on
Speaker 1: the decisions. I mean, I'm not asking I'm not asking
Speaker 1: for genius stuff here. I'm asking you for the very
Speaker 1: very basic. It's unconsfortable what they do on a football field,
Speaker 1: let alone off it. It's incredible. I think sabans the outlie.
Speaker 1: Of course he's still involved in game planning and calling defenses.
Speaker 1: And I love how you called me out on all. Yes,
Speaker 1: not all, Mikey, you got me there there are by
Speaker 1: the way, there are there are bright boaches and and
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm sure even some of these guys
Speaker 1: are very good at the X and the oils. But
Speaker 1: some of these basic ideas incredible in man uh Todd,
Speaker 1: But they haven't given my third. You haven't given that. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll go first, Washington, give me the wolfed Yeah, because
Speaker 1: they're catching nine and a half now, Like why you
Speaker 1: should wait? Everybody steams up Philadelphia every week, you might
Speaker 1: be getting I was never gonna pick Washington, but it's
Speaker 1: nine and a half now, like even why even why
Speaker 1: is it nine? And I have no idea? Well because
Speaker 1: they have four teen guys on the COVID list, right,
Speaker 1: but they played with half a defense last week two
Speaker 1: and still had a chance to tide Dallas at the end.
Speaker 1: So and by the way, Terry McLaurin went out in
Speaker 1: the third quarter concussion protocol, Heineke went out. Uh so,
Speaker 1: there's reasons why it's it's moving in that direction. I
Speaker 1: just don't know why it's moved to nine and a half. So,
Speaker 1: just on principle alone, I'm taking the three time Super
Speaker 1: Bowl champions, greatest franchise in sports history, washing and football team.
Speaker 1: Let's not talk about their owner. By the way, Roger
Speaker 1: Goodell has already backed up Daniel Snyder. He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he didn't he didn't hurt hurt the probe at all,
Speaker 1: worst human being on earth. This is an elimination game
Speaker 1: in the NFC playoff race. Yes, right, I mean we
Speaker 1: have a lot of those, right, because isn't say Cincinnati Denver,
Speaker 1: perhaps an elimination game could be Um, I mean Las
Speaker 1: Vegas Cleveland is an elimination Well, Las Vegas has done it,
Speaker 1: by the way, I liked what what the Mikey said
Speaker 1: about that. Taking the the Chiefs minus one sixty and
Speaker 1: then taking the Chargers on the division at the plus
Speaker 1: almost like an interesting arbitrage there. But Mikey, is there
Speaker 1: any way you can get screwed and losing both? Sure
Speaker 1: you could, but look at the chargers remaining schedule right now,
Speaker 1: I'm asking you you you've obviously looked at it. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: what are the chances that you can get screwed and
Speaker 1: lose both. I think they're going to be significant favorites
Speaker 1: in all three of their final games, so I mean,
Speaker 1: if they get upset and the Chiefs around the table,
Speaker 1: but the Chiefs have a harder schedule closing out, so
Speaker 1: I think if they win tonight, they were they run
Speaker 1: the board, and I think there's you know, you put
Speaker 1: yourself into out of getting middled yourself with the arbitrage.
Speaker 1: But I'm pretty confident of that. There's so many of
Speaker 1: these things too in the NFL right now at this
Speaker 1: point four games left, right, so there's that with the Chargers,
Speaker 1: Like this game tonight will determine your entire narrative on
Speaker 1: both of these teams before all of a sudden, all
Speaker 1: these people slurp in the Chiefs are gonna have to
Speaker 1: back down. They're not even a division leader. The same
Speaker 1: thing with the Colts and the Patriots. All these people
Speaker 1: slip in the Patriots, that's gonna go away real quick
Speaker 1: with guy right here. Yeah, I mean there's lots of
Speaker 1: these games like that this week, which I think are
Speaker 1: are fascinating in that respect. Tennessee, by the way, is
Speaker 1: the biggest conundrum of every team. Tennessee could get a
Speaker 1: number one seed and have the buy in the first round.
Speaker 1: They just don't have their players, and they're getting them
Speaker 1: back every two weeks. It was Julio, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a j Brown next week, and it's two weeks after
Speaker 1: that's gonna be Derrick Henry. So you don't know if
Speaker 1: they like, how do you handle a team like that?
Speaker 1: They suck right now, but they could be on the
Speaker 1: mountaintop in four weeks. It's very it's it's it's interesting
Speaker 1: the way that this plays out. Todd, your last one,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked by the way if the Steller's
Speaker 1: got him. You know, the Steers. The Stellers have this
Speaker 1: way of just sneaking up on people even though they stink. Okay,
Speaker 1: my third pick, I'm gonna take uh Man. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just hold my nose and do it. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take the Bears plus three and a half. I've watched
Speaker 1: enough Minnesota games to know that that Minnesota does not
Speaker 1: want to win a game without it being the last
Speaker 1: play of the game. So if they get down to
Speaker 1: the last play of the game and I'm getting three
Speaker 1: and a half, I'll take it. And you know what,
Speaker 1: I didn't think the Bears look that bad against the
Speaker 1: Packers the other day. Defensively, they didn't look real good.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, Minnesota Dome team. They're gonna go
Speaker 1: on the road now to Ugly. You know, obviously there
Speaker 1: is the divisional games, a huge game. What are the
Speaker 1: Bears have to play for? You know, they want to
Speaker 1: mess up the Viking season. And I'm getting three and
Speaker 1: a half against Kirk Cousins. You know what, There's not
Speaker 1: thing more fun than betting against Kirk Cousin, and there's
Speaker 1: nothing more painful than betting on Kirk Cousins. So I'll
Speaker 1: go against Kirk Cousins and I'll take the Bears plus
Speaker 1: the three and a half. Soldier Field has been a
Speaker 1: house of horrors for our friend Kirk Cousins. Todd, you
Speaker 1: go back two years ago and that's the game they
Speaker 1: got beat, like sixteen six where the wide receivers called
Speaker 1: them out they were open and he didn't throw the
Speaker 1: ball to him. And then he came out and said, yea,
Speaker 1: I looked at the tape they were open. Then last
Speaker 1: years the game where Paulie guaranteed they would win at
Speaker 1: Solder Field and if they didn't, he'd buy everyone a beer.
Speaker 1: That came to what happened and they lost again. They
Speaker 1: lost again. I mean, they've really struggled at Soldier Field.
Speaker 1: Have some questions with who's coaching the Bears. Who's coaching them?
Speaker 1: There's some rumors this morning that the coaches are are
Speaker 1: going to be out on this. Oh I didn't hear that.
Speaker 1: So that's even better for me. That's even better for
Speaker 1: me right there now, I get normal quite sure about that.
Speaker 1: You know, do you see the the Jacksonville, Tennessee line
Speaker 1: sward today Jacksonville is five, you guys, five and a half,
Speaker 1: just like when he's when Babcock got fired in Toronto
Speaker 1: with the Maple Police, remember, and you said there'd be
Speaker 1: a big lift and they were. They want like their
Speaker 1: next five games, the Jaguars are five and a half
Speaker 1: point favorites. That's unbelievable. Please note I didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: pick the Jags game under this week for the first
Speaker 1: time in a hundred weeks in a row because of
Speaker 1: that very reason, and because it's all the way down
Speaker 1: now to thirty nine and they've just made it so
Speaker 1: ridiculously low. All right, teaser of the week, we got
Speaker 1: to put in our teaser of the week. What was
Speaker 1: what was your last pick? Washington? I'm sorry, Washing was
Speaker 1: a nine and a half? Okay, Derek to team six
Speaker 1: point teaser? Wait wait, now, wait, Mike. On the text
Speaker 1: you sent me last night, you're you're trying to select
Speaker 1: the two teams six point teaser that you don't think,
Speaker 1: well your best one, your best one? Okay, Well, then
Speaker 1: at that point I'm gonna take I'm gonna take the
Speaker 1: Chargers and I'm gonna take uh, I'm gonna take the Rams. Wait,
Speaker 1: so you're taking you're taking the Chargers plus nine and
Speaker 1: the ram Ms where the Rams across the zero Rams
Speaker 1: plus one and a half. Okay, trying to chase right.
Speaker 1: I have an insurmountable lead at nine and five against
Speaker 1: you guys at seven and seven. It's insurmountable. Um. I
Speaker 1: will take as my teaser. Well, I told you I
Speaker 1: like the Bengals, So I'm gonna make the Bengals plus
Speaker 1: eight and a half one of the legs because I
Speaker 1: do like the Bengals, and I'm gonna come back with
Speaker 1: a little guy with an unknown coach from it from
Speaker 1: New England, the New England Patriots. Uh, this is a
Speaker 1: team that I have forty two to one to one
Speaker 1: and thirty two to one to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I've loved them all year, even though Gilly can never
Speaker 1: give us credit, can never say they're okay. I can't
Speaker 1: wait if they ever can turn the corner and Gilly
Speaker 1: will finally give them credit. Maybe it won't happen. Maybe
Speaker 1: it won't happen, but maybe it will happen, and maybe
Speaker 1: he will say I was right. But I think the
Speaker 1: Patriots um with the ground and pound defense, can keep
Speaker 1: it within eight and a half against the Colts this week.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, I've been a Pats fan for the
Speaker 1: last seven eight weeks, and I don't see any reason
Speaker 1: why to stop now. They won the game with three
Speaker 1: running plays last week. I believe. Let's see what Belichick
Speaker 1: can do. I had. I had a complete brain lock
Speaker 1: on this. I know what my number two pick was.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I said green Bay. Am I
Speaker 1: allowed to change my play? Because any we can let
Speaker 1: you change Indianapolis is on my account. So Indianapolis replaces
Speaker 1: You're so green Bay? You're getting rid of it? Yes,
Speaker 1: green Bay's out. Like I don't know why. I like
Speaker 1: you forgot about So you're taking the Colts minus two
Speaker 1: and a half? Well minus two? But okay, wait wait
Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait maybe it's minus two. I
Speaker 1: mean it's okay, I can give you the two. It's
Speaker 1: there's there's enough too, they'll take eight and a half
Speaker 1: of the team. Okay, well then right, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. He just dropping any opportunity. Gilly, he just
Speaker 1: goes out. Was my decor the way Mikey was my decorum?
Speaker 1: Okay today, did I did I do a good job
Speaker 1: in decorum? You interrupted early? What who's your other one
Speaker 1: besides of the the Patriots, what was your other plan? My
Speaker 1: my teaser is Patriots plus eight, not eight and a half? Yes,
Speaker 1: plus eight and Bengals plus eight and a half. And
Speaker 1: and just to fix this other thing here with Gilly,
Speaker 1: Gilly gets Indie minus two. And now, so then we
Speaker 1: you haven't done your teaser yet, right, go, No, I
Speaker 1: have not. I'll do mine now. I will take the
Speaker 1: Chargers and the Bengals. Chargers, Bengals L A C two
Speaker 1: plus nine and the Bengals plus eight and a half. Okay,
Speaker 1: and then Mike he's the only one left. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I'm gonna take an unconventional teaser here. We
Speaker 1: we have to change. I'm Jason Todd at for the
Speaker 1: illusion that we're still in it. I want to take
Speaker 1: the Panthers up to sixteen and a half. Brent, Brent's back.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of I'm talked about value there and uh.
Speaker 1: And then I'm Caroline, who was even playing at the Bills.
Speaker 1: At the Bills, Carolina, I have up. We'll give you
Speaker 1: up to seventeen. How do you like that? And then
Speaker 1: I want to take the Bears up to ten. I
Speaker 1: had him, I had one second, I had him plus
Speaker 1: three and a half and a half. Final two questions,
Speaker 1: and then we're out. Final two questions each and every
Speaker 1: megapot concludes with first one. Which is the big favorite,
Speaker 1: most likely to lose? Outright? Here are your candidates. Philadelphia
Speaker 1: UH nine and a half point favorites hosting Washington, Buffalo
Speaker 1: ten and a half, currently hosting Carolina, Miami nine and
Speaker 1: a half hosting the Jets, Dallas ten and a half
Speaker 1: at the Giants, UH Arizona twelve and a half at Detroit,
Speaker 1: San Francisco nine and nine and a half hosting Atlanta,
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay eleven hosting New Orleans. Of all those teams, Derek,
Speaker 1: which is the most likely to lose? Out right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go down the same path I did with with
Speaker 1: the pick. I just think Arizona is vulnerable this week.
Speaker 1: So I think the lines, uh Kevin opportunities screw up
Speaker 1: this first round draft pick, and uh it's it's right
Speaker 1: right now. Well, you know what, this would be the
Speaker 1: year to screw By the way, should they draft a quarterback? No? No,
Speaker 1: But I mean it's either gonna be what Divoda or
Speaker 1: or Hutchinson. At this point, but there's a question is
Speaker 1: there any value in trading back and going after I mean,
Speaker 1: I think Picket's gonna just run up the board here.
Speaker 1: You see, what with quarterbacks, is there a way you
Speaker 1: can drop down to five and do something and get
Speaker 1: picked for I don't. You can't. You can't take Picke
Speaker 1: at number one overall. But I mean, the lines need
Speaker 1: a quarterback. I just don't know this is the right
Speaker 1: time to do it. Lions have two first round picks
Speaker 1: this year and two first round draft picks next year,
Speaker 1: so they've got a little bit of they've got a
Speaker 1: little bit of inventory here. We were talking about this
Speaker 1: on a numbers game this morning, where like, you know,
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, even though they're saying this a terrible quarterback class,
Speaker 1: you know, once that draft day comes, everyone like, we
Speaker 1: gotta get a quarterback. It was like five teams that
Speaker 1: need one, Detroit being one of them. But you're right,
Speaker 1: you can't pick them at number one, and so it
Speaker 1: might be our draft here in Las Vegas. It might
Speaker 1: be a trade fest this coming April with Detroit. I
Speaker 1: think that's probably the way they play. Is the window
Speaker 1: for the Lions to to be a winning team, though
Speaker 1: within a rookie contract. I mean, are they going to
Speaker 1: be competitive in the next five years? They need to
Speaker 1: be to wait a few years to draft a quarters.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they had a pretty good, pretty
Speaker 1: good draft last year, but I mean the amount of
Speaker 1: draft picks the team mass is unbelievable. They got three
Speaker 1: out of the top thirty three and next year's draft
Speaker 1: they're gonna have They're gonna have two first rounders. I mean,
Speaker 1: the hall for Stafford was pretty substantial, so um and
Speaker 1: and I believe also the Lions have the most room
Speaker 1: on the salary cap from a free agent perspective for
Speaker 1: for uh for next year. So I do think if
Speaker 1: you think, if they think pick it's the guy, then
Speaker 1: they got to figure out a way to get him,
Speaker 1: and just figure out a way to get him. Not
Speaker 1: at one because that will mess up mess up your
Speaker 1: cap for a long time. But but if they don't
Speaker 1: think he's the guy, then then yeah, then you go,
Speaker 1: you go, you go defensive end, you go, you go receiver.
Speaker 1: And then and then with your second round pick, there's
Speaker 1: a couple of other choices. You like Dan Campbell. In
Speaker 1: the end, it's too early. I I I really enjoy
Speaker 1: watching the line Lines have actually become a very fun
Speaker 1: team to watch. What was fun? What was fun about
Speaker 1: that game last week? Just the way joke, just the
Speaker 1: way you see Campbell managed the game. Could have played
Speaker 1: the whole game with ten offense and yeah, but they
Speaker 1: also had a flu bug. I mean that was not
Speaker 1: a that was not a good game. Can I can
Speaker 1: I ask I'm sorry? Can I ask Derek a bookmaking
Speaker 1: question real quick before we're done? Mikey? Is that okay?
Speaker 1: Was that bad decor um? It's it's up to Derry.
Speaker 1: I don't know what should be the stick of every
Speaker 1: megapod should be Todd asking one too many questions and
Speaker 1: the guest little walking. The last time Eric, no, Mikey said,
Speaker 1: I asked too many questions and that was bad decorum.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. The last time Derek talked to Todd was
Speaker 1: when Todd was yelling at Derek for smoking at Long Bar. Right,
Speaker 1: that's the last conversation I was yelling. I was yelling
Speaker 1: at Derek, plaining about him smoking in his own joint.
Speaker 1: But okay, well, you know the customers always right, this
Speaker 1: is America, not right. Okay, So anyways, Derek, here's my question.
Speaker 1: So circle obviously you guys take all commerce. Um, it's
Speaker 1: obviously you're looking to brand as the bookmaker to everyone
Speaker 1: and I and obviously everyone. You've gotten great kudos for that.
Speaker 1: Here's my question on the in game stuff. You guys
Speaker 1: seem to be taking a little bit more of a
Speaker 1: conservative tack. And you're still doing in game of course,
Speaker 1: but you're not doing it to the extent some of
Speaker 1: these other places are doing it. Is there any plans
Speaker 1: to do that? And what is kind of the philosophy
Speaker 1: on that, um at circa If you're talking about we're
Speaker 1: doing it more conservatively. If you're talking about menu, I
Speaker 1: completely agree. That's what I mean. Yeah, no, menu, menu
Speaker 1: is no question. I I completely agree with that. As
Speaker 1: far as they actually take during a game, um, that
Speaker 1: that I would contest. But if you're talking men, you
Speaker 1: I agree, And here's the reason we think. Here's what
Speaker 1: I mean, Just to be clear, Like here DraftKings, I
Speaker 1: can bet Marymack against Long Island in game, which is
Speaker 1: like so obscure and ridiculous. But I have all these
Speaker 1: games and obviously you guys you know, are not are
Speaker 1: steering away from that. That's kind of what I mean. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so so Here's the deal is is on menu size
Speaker 1: for in game, we're definitely going to be be less.
Speaker 1: But the reason is is we'll take big bets. And
Speaker 1: although we use some of the various algorithm products that
Speaker 1: are out there for review you, we manually book every
Speaker 1: end game. And the reason we do that is so
Speaker 1: that we have the ability to take you know, twenty
Speaker 1: or fifty thou dollars on an end game path. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, if you have a menu of let's say
Speaker 1: a hundred college basketball games, you've got all the other
Speaker 1: games you end up having to use these algorithms, and
Speaker 1: the way they do that is you do that with
Speaker 1: very little risk if you limit limit wager size dramatically.
Speaker 1: So we think it's better to focus on on the
Speaker 1: larger and more important games and actually take substantial wagers
Speaker 1: than to provide someone the ability to bet fifty bucks
Speaker 1: on a Merrimac on an end game excellent, excellent, and
Speaker 1: an excellent and an excellent. It's sort of feeds into
Speaker 1: the whole brand, which is basically, you want to take
Speaker 1: a big bet, and how are you going to be
Speaker 1: able to take a big bet if it's you know,
Speaker 1: South Alabama State against a long view or some nonsense
Speaker 1: like that. Right, Yeah, I mean we'll dedicate it. But
Speaker 1: there's a certain game that comes up will dedicate We'll
Speaker 1: dedicated resources to make sure we're we're we're watching every
Speaker 1: every uh, every play, every minute. But but the thing
Speaker 1: is we uh as much as I trust the formulas
Speaker 1: of the algorithms, there's a there's a certain element where
Speaker 1: I think games need to be watched, they need to
Speaker 1: be felt, um. And there's no algorithm that could determine
Speaker 1: whether or not the guy's sprained ankle is uh as
Speaker 1: a severe, it's moderate, or it's mild. Um. So we'd
Speaker 1: rather take some substantial action and dedicate the resources, basically
Speaker 1: the labor hours to be able to watch these So
Speaker 1: we could take a take a good bet. So basically,
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna stay with that model, which makes
Speaker 1: sense obviously based on what you're saying. So you're not
Speaker 1: gonna say, oh, well, we gotta do what all these
Speaker 1: other guys are doing. You're gonna just do it your way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't see as higher in an
Speaker 1: extra hundred people to watch watch offshoot games. I mean, um,
Speaker 1: when you just don't have that much action, I'd rather
Speaker 1: I'd rather take you know, twenties and fifties on end game,
Speaker 1: on the games people really like to watch. Yeah, interesting
Speaker 1: appreciate that Derek being open about that. Uh, Mike and Todd,
Speaker 1: your big favorites most likely lose out right, Mike Eagles,
Speaker 1: Me too, Eagles hands down. My big favorite to lose
Speaker 1: outright is the Niners against the Falcons. And I'd also
Speaker 1: like to ask Mike if if that question was okay
Speaker 1: for decor mikey, was that okay? I heard Derek's answer.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear the question. I'll try to put it
Speaker 1: together in my mind, okay, and you'll tell me. You
Speaker 1: tell me later if that was the poor decorum for
Speaker 1: that question, it didn't seem to be. But did we
Speaker 1: do a deep Meanwhile, people are taking to Todd's defense
Speaker 1: on Twitter, saying he's not that bad and Gil and
Speaker 1: I exaggerated. One guy said Schwartz had his eye on
Speaker 1: the door from the beginning of the podcast. I never
Speaker 1: I never exaggerated. I'm on Todd side. I'm I'm totally
Speaker 1: on Todd side. I thought it wasn't. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: Derek when you know how it is when you're like
Speaker 1: the pioneer. You take arrows in the and that's what's happened.
Speaker 1: That's what's happened in your career. But you're just a
Speaker 1: tough guy. You can handle it. Now I'm no longer
Speaker 1: on his side. That's all it took, all right? Uh
Speaker 1: and then the final question. We live in a bizarro
Speaker 1: world where we must bet a side on every single
Speaker 1: one of these games, but you're allowed one free pass.
Speaker 1: What's the game you want absolutely no part of this week?
Speaker 1: Right now? I want no part of of this Browns
Speaker 1: game until we get a little more information on who's playing.
Speaker 1: So my my, my element just would come down due
Speaker 1: um who's got the most uncertainty relative to COVID. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want no for for a similar reason, no part
Speaker 1: of Packers Ravens. I. Yeah, you could answer this any
Speaker 1: number of ways. I might say Raiders Browns to Todd
Speaker 1: DoD Yeah, how about the whifty game? What's going down there?
Speaker 1: They get everybody out? Like you're saying, I have no
Speaker 1: interest in that one? Okay, all right? You could say
Speaker 1: Buffalo if you don't know if it's Josh Allen misr
Speaker 1: bisus is a whole bunch of game. That's another one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Derek, we'd like to say something, you know,
Speaker 1: just for because we know you have an audience that
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily overlap with Visa even though they put it
Speaker 1: out that the broadcast. Derek and I will be in
Speaker 1: Iowa tomorrow Council Bluffs. We're flying out there with the team,
Speaker 1: continue to promote circus sports Iowa Big game right across
Speaker 1: the river in Omaha, Villanova at Creighton at five o'clock tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We're going in and out for a day. So we'll
Speaker 1: be at um Barley's Bar in Council Downtown, Council Bluffs
Speaker 1: from around two to thirty to probably around ten o'clock
Speaker 1: tomorrow night, meeting people and talking about spreading the good
Speaker 1: news about circus sports. But it's free money. Bet against
Speaker 1: Creton is free money. They lost to Arizona State. They
Speaker 1: lost to Let me say that one more time. Creighton
Speaker 1: lost to Arizona State at home. Do you understand how
Speaker 1: insane that is? It's insane. Let me let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, because I think this is what everybody wants
Speaker 1: to How when you guys fly to Iowa, you're private
Speaker 1: jetting to Iowa directly? Is that how that works? Well?
Speaker 1: It depends at the to be honest, it depends on
Speaker 1: the situation. We we we loved Alta, we love Southwest,
Speaker 1: but we gotta do it in and out with eight people,
Speaker 1: and we gotta get to to an airport that doesn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of transports. We gotta be back Saturday
Speaker 1: morning for football because we've got events here. We gotta
Speaker 1: be down here Thursday night. So yeah, we started a
Speaker 1: plane to go in and out. When I throw a
Speaker 1: council blows party when I fly separately, he puts me
Speaker 1: on Spirit. Let's just put it down Spirit. Literally, you
Speaker 1: get there and they're like, would you like a senior
Speaker 1: What do you mean a seat? I thought I bought
Speaker 1: a seat to stand. I'm okay. So then he goes
Speaker 1: Then he goes on mentioned Pauli. He comes up with
Speaker 1: this thing called no hyper Bowl, which was my idea,
Speaker 1: and then he goes Spirit Airlines is no hyper Bowl,
Speaker 1: speerit airlines. They're the words as any award meant more
Speaker 1: to anybody than Mikey than the Mitchie's to Mike. Somebody
Speaker 1: pointed out to me and I wanted to wear this
Speaker 1: time the first four time MITCHI winner. I would I
Speaker 1: would have never known. But we're already developing the campaign
Speaker 1: for next winner. One for the thumb Halle Hallie one
Speaker 1: for the thumb in two thousand one Pittsburgh Steeler reference uh.
Speaker 1: And then the last thing uh is bet Bash two
Speaker 1: is a thing April can't wait at Spanky on yesterday?
Speaker 1: What a week? Got a numbers game? Oh h Peter
Speaker 1: and Spanky Rufus as well. Pretty strong week. Rufus was
Speaker 1: on again. I thought he was on Friday. Friday, Yeah, Friday,
Speaker 1: you count you're counting up the calendar, Mike, mikey. You
Speaker 1: enjoyed Peter's appearance, right, I thought it was prized because
Speaker 1: because you're mentored the one person you can't bring him up.
Speaker 1: You can't whom I bring up? Who am I bringing up?
Speaker 1: You don't know who? You're bad man? All right, Derek,
Speaker 1: thank you appreciate it very much. Pet Bashed two. By
Speaker 1: the way, gambling networking things happening final four weekend of
Speaker 1: March Madness organized by Spanky Better is getting together big
Speaker 1: names in betting, and I likened it to the early
Speaker 1: days of Sloane. You'll never get a chance to talk
Speaker 1: to you know, so in such small groups. Two guys
Speaker 1: like Roxy Roxborough. UM, it's gonna be awesome. Thank you, Derek,
Speaker 1: appreciate you, Derrek Stevens who run the Joint Circus Sports
Speaker 1: UM and we're here at the D. Always come by
Speaker 1: if you can uh to not only see us at
Speaker 1: the D on Thursdays, but the greatest sports book in town,
Speaker 1: the greatest swimming pool in town at Circle Mikey Todd.
Speaker 1: Thank you for all of us, Thank you for listening.
Speaker 1: Good luck with all your bets. Week fifteen in the
Speaker 1: National Football League,