WEBVTT - Mel Reid & Jorge Parada 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:08.799 It's the Son of a Butcher podcast, you know the drill. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:11.800 We come to you every Wednesday. This week's guest something 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:13.480 that I've been wanting to do for a while and 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.319 I thought i'd kind of run it back with She 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.240 was the first guest of the podcast when I launched 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:21.760 it a couple of years ago. Mel red. She's won 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:23.639 a bunch of times on the LPGA Tour, It's been 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:27.000 on the Solheim Cup team, and her coach, Jorge Parata. 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.080 Horge is the director of instruction at Liberty National. He 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.960 works with mel He works with Carlotta Siganda, works with 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.480 Bryan O'Toole, and is really one of the good young 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:38.760 instructors out there in professional golf. But I thought it 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.160 was cool. I was over at the Grant Thornton, which 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.000 was the team event, and was talking to Melanjorge and 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:46.360 was talking about being on the podcast, and I was like, 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:48.479 why don't I get both of them on? And it's 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.040 a cool conversation to listen to a really, you know, 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.920 an elite, elite player and their coach that kind of 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:56.080 back and forth, and that's kind of the world that 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:58.360 I live in, and I think it's a unique insight 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.240 into kind of the relation between a player and a 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.399 coach and what that relationship is, what kind of the 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.200 rules and the boundaries are. So Melan Horgay do a 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:09.920 really great job talking about it. There's some really cool stuff. 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.800 Mel's a new parent. She and her wife, Carly, they 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.600 just celebrated having their first baby, so a lot of 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:18.880 stuff to talk about. So really excited for this one, 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:26.520 Melon Horge. Sit back and enjoy it. So this is 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.160 a rarity for the pard mel you are our first 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.319 guest for the podcast when we started back there, and 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:35.120 that's that's a long time ago, because it seems like 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:38.240 that was a long time ago, but that was pre 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.920 you being a proud parent to a new baby. Boy, 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:45.440 you're a you're a parent now. 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:47.360 That's kind of scary for a lot of people to 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:49.600 definitely scary for me. I know it's a scary part. 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:51.120 I think it's scary for Carl as well, my wife. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:54.000 But yeah, he's also he's coming out to a month 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:57.840 old now and obviously life changing and yeah, my life 0:01:57.840 --> 0:01:59.280 looks are very different now and than it did a 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.480 few months ago. So it's awesome. Yeah, we're obviously still 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:04.880 learning and still adjusting. But wouldn't change it. 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:09.680 What's been the biggest surprise in being a brand new parent? 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:11.079 You just don't know what you're doing, do you. Let's 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.480 be honest, you just try to do your best. You're 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.720 just trying to keep the thing, you know, stopping from 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:17.640 crying all the time. But he's a pretty good baby. 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.120 He's sleeping pretty well through the night. Carlie's obviously a natural, 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.400 which helps. And yeah, it's just awesome just seeing his 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:26.120 little personality, even at a month old, to s grow 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:27.360 every day is just kind of cool. 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:28.880 One of the things I've been wanting to do for 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:30.400 a while, and you two are the first ones to 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.000 do it, is to get a player and a coach 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.000 on the pod at the same time. Orgeate, You've worked 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:38.959 with a lot of really, really good players, Director of 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.440 instruction at Liberty National. I mean, if there's not a 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:43.520 better place to go to work every day than that 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:45.880 golf course where you get the view of the skyline 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.359 and you get a PG but a lot of times 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:49.920 you get a PGA Tour event, you get a lot 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.240 of tournaments there. How many weeks are you're on the 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.320 road you're working with mel give me a list of 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:55.840 the other players you're working with. 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:59.079 Yeah, right now, Currently I have four players and they'll 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:03.400 PG door tool, read any home quiz, and. 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:06.919 Then she should hit it further. What do you think 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.320 she should Well, she should Carloda hit it further. 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:11.960 Yes, I've seen I hit it pretty further on the range. 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:13.680 I'm not gonna lie that swings speach. She can get 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:14.320 up on the range. 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:16.760 What'd she like to work with? I mean she when 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.919 I watched her hit golf balls, it's like, Wow, that's 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:21.880 a different, different sound. 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:27.200 Yeah, it's it's interesting. I've worked with thirsteince twenty fifteen, right. 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:28.320 And she's always been long. 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.399 She's always been long. She's always been very long. Matter 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.840 of fact, I would probably argue she was maybe longer 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.640 when she was younger. She used to hit not buy intention, 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:41.160 but more of a draw, so she might have been 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:45.160 even a little bit longer. But in twenty fifteen, when 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:49.480 we started working together, she was someone that had never 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.880 looked at her swing on video before, had never used 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:56.800 any technology at all. I had worked with the same 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.800 instructor since she begun when she was like five years old, 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:07.080 very old school teacher in Spain. He passed away months later. 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:12.520 We started working together and the first thing when she 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.120 came to At the time, I was working at TPC Sawgras, 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.520 So she came to Sagrass to see me, and she said, 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:23.800 I don't care about stats. Don't show me stats. I 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:25.400 don't want to see my swing on video. You can 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:26.279 take video and look at it. 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:30.839 That's a great start. Yeah, and why are you golfers 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:34.240 also crazy? Why are you guys also crazy? 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:35.279 Now? 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.039 I don't want to see stats. I don't want to 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.280 look at my golf swing. Don't talk to me about 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:40.960 my golf swing. What the hell is she hiring you for? 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.400 So travel with you on tour. 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:47.120 That's how it started, right, And I said, okay, well, 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.360 I've looked at your stats, and for the last two 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.880 years you've been between forty and forty five on the 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:59.120 money list, and you've been around the same fairway accuracy, 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:01.440 around the same green in regulation, around the same putting. 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.920 So we need to do something better if you want 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:05.040 to make more money next year. 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.239 She said, Okay, it's not about money, it's about trophies 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:08.720 and legacy. 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:12.240 But it's true. So I said, I said, I'm gonna 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.200 give you one thing only. I said, I'm gonna give 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.280 you greens in regulation. To start, all I want you 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.120 to do when you go play a tournament, look at 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:20.880 how many greens you hit for the week, and then 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.240 look at the first three players on the leader board 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.440 and see if you hit more or less. And let's 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:29.480 start there. If you talk to her now, these many years, 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:35.640 she knows every player. She looks at everything, not everything, 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:39.599 but like she looks and she still consults. Right, She 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:44.719 doesn't analyze herself, but she loves like understanding that she'll 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:46.599 put track man. She doesn't look at all the numbers, 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.279 but she'll put a track man down with the driver. 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:53.400 She'll look at club head speed, attack, angle, ball speed, 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.760 and then wearing the face is being hit and that's it. 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.880 With the wedge, she looks at launch, angle, spin, axis, 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.560 carry these things. That's it. Did She like loves that 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:07.040 part of it. So it's it's being interesting over these 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:11.640 many years to see somebody grow that way, right, more 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:17.480 into a more understanding full. 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.760 Completely if I had to describe that more of a professional, right, 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.200 I mean, you can't play competitive golf and never look 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.599 at your stats, never look at your golf swing, never 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:27.400 want to look at your golf swing. I mean, that's 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.760 just that's that's an impossibility. That's that's not a recipe 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:35.120 for success. Now as a player, Porge just described Carlos. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.760 If you had to describe yourself as no bullshit, not 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:40.719 not trying to be funny, not making a joke, but 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.039 if you had to describe yourself as a golfer and 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.479 as a player, how do you tell me what you 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:45.839 feel like? 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:46.440 Your game is? 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:47.000 What? 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:47.599 So? 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:50.039 What Horge is? When you're looking at a coach, what 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:51.920 do you want? What do you want to look at? 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.360 What you don't want to look at? I think everybody 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:58.400 is different, right and I work with you know, players 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.200 across the board. I work with for a long time, 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:02.720 and he's a very close friend. He's been on the 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.600 podcast Trevor Mulman, who now does an amazing job at CBS. 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.560 Trevor wanted. I couldn't give Trevor enough information. I couldn't 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.200 give him enough video. I couldn't send him enough video. 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.600 We couldn't look the swing, We got the dinner and 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.640 we'd be looking. You know, it's he just he needed it, 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.800 he wanted it. And then Brooks and DJ they want 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.000 no information. Now, what kind of player would you say 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:28.360 you are with regards to your game. 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:30.560 Yeah, I'm a bit of a nutter in a different way. 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:32.640 He's I don't know, you might agree or disagree with 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.800 me here. I get very obsessed with my own golf swing, 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:36.920 and I like to ask a lot of questions, but 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.440 not really helpful questions, like I'm like, why do I 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.720 do this? Though? Why don't? And he's like, stop, just 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:43.000 do what I'm trying to tell you to do and 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.040 just trust me. And I'm like, but why. I ask 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:46.640 a lot of whys. It's just the way that my 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.760 brain works. I like to understand why things work. So 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:51.680 he has to just basically just take me aside and 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.000 just how many shut up? 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:54.880 Most of the time because I've talked me down yet, 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:55.720 I've talked to players. 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:56.560 It stresses me out. 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.520 I've had players on the podcast to say, listen, I'm 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:00.560 a soldier. I just want some to tell me what 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:02.720 to do. I just want someone to go do this 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.120 in my golf swing. Okay, I'll do that. Do this 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.480 from a caddie. Want my caddie do this on the 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.680 golf course. This is the yardage. Hit this shot right. 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.080 So there's that thing to where I think as a player. 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:17.120 I think a lot of players struggle. We see Orge, 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:20.160 We see players struggle because they're trying to be somebody 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:24.640 they're not. They're trying to have someone else's pre shot routine, 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:29.160 someone else's view of golf, someone else's approach to golf. 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.720 Do you think it's important Mel to kind of not 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.559 get wrapped up because you can, right you ask you 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.880 You've asked me tons of questions. You know when when 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:39.559 we were in the pandemic and you were down in 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.400 Jupiter at the Floridian, you played a lot with Brooks. Indeed, 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:45.560 you were asking them a lot of questions. 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:46.400 Yeah, Like I liked it. 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:46.600 Then. 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.240 I've always I've always loved to learn, like especially with athletes, 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.080 Like I've just always been fascinated, not necessarily just with golf, 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.000 Like I'm you know, you want to see other athletes. 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:56.760 I ask them about the workout, Like what do they 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.480 do for their practice. I'm just very intrigued by athletes 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:03.040 and how they get the best out of themselves. So yeah, 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:04.640 but it's funny like when I'm on the golf course, 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.680 like I take full control. Like Greg my Caddy, he's awesome, 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:09.719 but he's more there for support. He's great at his 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:11.600 job and don't get me wrong. And there's obviously times 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.640 I do rely on him, but I take a lot 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.960 of that. You want to make the decision, make the decisions. Yeah, 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:20.160 like I enjoy that, but with well, hey, I just 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:21.760 I just like driving him nuts. To be honest, I 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:23.680 just I know I'm a bit hard work. Sometimes we 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:25.480 all are in a different way. But I just I 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.640 love learning. But sometimes it's a bit of a detriment 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:29.960 because I don't just do what he tells me and 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:31.760 trust what he's telling them. I do trust him, but 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:34.560 just understand that this is what we're trying to do 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.079 and stop getting on a spiral over here somewhere. 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.079 So all right, I'm gonna ask you both this question. 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:42.160 I'm gonna ask Mel first, and then I'll ask you, now, 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:43.959 what do you like about your golf swing? And what 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.920 don't you like about your golf swing? And we only 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:51.640 have the memory cards don't have a lot of yeah, 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.040 hours of memory. 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.160 I mean, I think it looks an athletic golf swing. 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:00.840 So you think your golf swing passes the eye test. 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:05.840 For yeah, most people? Yes. And then I think I. 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.920 Would say, for if anyone's listening, it hasn't seen I 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:10.719 would say, and I think you bucked up. You have 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:16.200 a more classic golf swing, a old school classic in 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.280 the vein of kind of Tiger two thousand, Adam Scott 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.520 to where the club gets in a good position. You 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:25.840 you don't have a lot of idiosyncrasies or a lot 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:27.800 of extremes in your golf swing. 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.120 Yeah, Like my face is usually pretty stable through the 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:33.120 golf ball. Things that I don't like about it. I 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:34.800 don't like the way my legs work. I don't know. 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.400 I just I feel like I don't utilize them the 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:38.160 way that I should. 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.360 But all right, all right, coach, all right, coach went one, 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.439 you got more? Okay. So when you when you first 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.360 met Mel, right, it's always the eye test for an 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.760 instructor is if you're going to work with a player, 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:53.240 you either think you can help them, you like them, 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.520 you like their swing, you like their game. So when 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.040 you met well Mel, what did you like about her 0:10:58.080 --> 0:10:59.920 golf swing? And what were the things that you went 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:02.240 I think I think these things could improve. 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.440 Yeah, I mean, I would say I'm and when I work, 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.240 when I start working with that plan. This is something 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:11.960 I developed obviously over the years. But I have a 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:16.560 questionnaire that I send players and I remember when Susanne first, 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.040 Susann Petterson, when she first approached me, and she had 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.840 just finished working with your dad because your dad was 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.040 not able to travel as much, she wasn't able to 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.560 see him. And she asked me, hey, would you help 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.000 me next year? And I said, and then you. 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:31.640 Sent her the questionnaire and she told you to go 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:32.200 fuck yourself. 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.840 Basicly, yes, she called me that. 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.440 Yes, pardon, I apologize for any kids listening. But I 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.120 knew as soon as you told that story and you 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.040 said you were going to send Susanne Penderson a questionnaire, 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:47.120 I pretty much knew the answer was going to be 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:49.480 two words, maybe three. Yeah. 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:51.280 And if I honestly, if I had, I would have 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.480 done the same thing, because I was like, what the 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:54.680 hell is this question? 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:59.520 Wait a minute, Wait a minute, I'm trying to hire you. 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.280 You're the I said, wait a minute, who's hiring? Am 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:03.319 I auditioning for you? 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.960 Right? So, and and honestly, a lot of those questions 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.000 and I have them now, and I just sent them 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:13.320 to a national team that I'm gonna work with. But 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.160 I sent them to sixteen girls, so we'll see how 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:20.040 many answer them. Right. But the idea is to for 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:23.200 me to get to know the player. First of all, 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:26.960 what you were talking about earlier, Every player is different. 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:30.160 Every player has a different mentality. So one of the 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.319 questions I have in the question is do you consider 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.480 yourself a structure or unstructured human beings? 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:39.520 Mel Or you're a structured or unstructured human being? Oh, 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.640 I don't. I'm not. I'm not going to ask you 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.800 about your personal life because I know the answer to 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.040 the personal life question. I think it's not structured. 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:49.880 Every single day works because there he's like, where's your 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.320 a liments stick? And I'm like, oh, oh yeah, I 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:53.679 was just sitting like you know, and he's like, no, 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.840 just get your linments stick out. I'm like, okay, I 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:58.880 mean for alignments. 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:04.400 Alignment is the lowest hanging fruit on the planet. Day 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.880 and the reason why I think I said this to 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:09.520 a kid the other day, he was like, well, how 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:10.000 do you know? 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:10.920 Kid? 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.440 He was over from Finland. Kid's got really good action 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.000 and he hit one and it was miles off line 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:21.600 and I was like, okay, what was that? What caused that? 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:26.320 And he was like I'm like okay, first and foremost 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.360 are you aim there? So where's your target? Okay? It 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.559 was a flag. I said, We've got the alignment stick. 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.319 I said, so you just miss your target by twenty 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.000 five yards to the left. So the alignment stick on 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:41.280 the ground you can eliminate. Okay, I wasn't aim there. 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:43.800 So then you can start to work backwards from that 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.600 right right, And I think the alignment rod. You hate 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:49.640 him telling you to get the alignment rod because you 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:54.760 forget Yeah, And I would say, right like she okay, 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:59.679 whatted what percentage of the girls you asked that? Or 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.880 the plan or you asked that? When you send a 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:03.480 player a question and you say, listen, are you an 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:07.400 unstructured person or are you a structured person? From a 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:11.960 practice golf standpoint, what's the ratio of structured to nonstructured? 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:16.800 So I would say when I answer that in two parts, 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:17.760 if I can, and. 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.640 I'm gonna throw a caveat in there, is have you 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:26.960 noticed a difference in players that are higher up the 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.360 rankings in their structured nonstructure? 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:34.040 So I have not noticed a difference, and that, but 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.440 where I have noticed the difference is most people, majority 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:44.800 of people, not everybody. Majority of people answer structure. Okay, 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.640 But after we get to know each other, I would 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:52.720 say about fifty percent of the people that I answer structure, 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.480 we switch it months into working together to go on structured, 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.640 to go on structure, because they realize they answer that 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.600 question based on what society made him think is the 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:07.000 right thing to do. They think when I worked with Jonahs, 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.640 which is when we met started working with Jonahs Blacks, 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:14.040 he was extremely unstructured. And what I mean by that 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.480 is he woke up in the morning and he knew 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.120 he wanted his lag putting to improve. Let's say it 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.560 was a Tuesday before a tournament. He knew his lag 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.120 putty needed to get better. He knew he wanted to 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.560 work a little bit on his wedges. He knew he 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:29.840 wanted to work a little bit on his start in 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.440 line with his driver, and he knew he wanted to 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.200 get nine holes on. He had no clue what he 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:35.760 was going to do. 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:36.160 First. 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:38.360 We would show up on the golf course. He looked 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.720 at the putting green and say it's too busy, Let's 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:44.080 go to some wedges. And he wouldn't care. But also 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.400 he would never leave the golf course until everything was done. 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:50.920 Melts a little bit that way, she knows what she 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.320 wants to get done. She goes and does it. 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.360 She doesn't have an action plan, but she will stay 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:57.880 there and get it all done exactly. 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.880 So what happens when we grow up, we go to school, 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.080 and when we go to school and we're growing up, 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:08.160 everybody tells us we have to have a routine, we 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:09.160 have to do things in. 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:12.360 Order, and if we don't do an action without a 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:15.320 plan is a wish, all the cliches, and if we don't. 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:19.560 Do those things right, we are lazy. I don't believe 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:23.720 it to be true. I believe and you know G 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.000 for example, and you know G. That's why I bring 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:31.600 her up from sports box. Yeah, extremely unstructured person, went 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:35.600 to Yale, went to Pan, played golf on tour, top golf, 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:42.480 c right, fantastic. She's a boss, very unstructured. She will 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:47.800 tell you. She calls herself a chaos muppet. Okay, very unstructured, 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:49.640 but she knows what she wants to do and she 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:51.720 gets it done. It just doesn't mean that she gets 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:55.520 it done in an order. Now, there are other players 0:16:55.560 --> 0:17:00.240 that I've worked with, susaying very unstructured, not a what 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.160 she was going to do at each time. There are 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.240 other players that like to put the close out a 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:14.000 night right down tomorrow morning breakfast, eight am, putting a thirty. 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.159 I remember when Tiger came out, they made him have 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.240 a mandatory press conference. Right when Tiger first turned pro, 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.600 he was, you know, every single week he was having 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.280 a press conference, and the press conference was at the 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:31.040 same time every day, right, So we had a day 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.760 and a time, and the time was normally in the afternoon. 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.159 And when Tiger first came out on a tour, he 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:39.960 would go out and play nine holes and my dad 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:43.400 would be like, dude, you gotta got a press conference. 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.560 He's like, oh, they'll come get me, right, and he 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:49.240 would make them come get him. And as he became 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.800 the greatest player the game has ever seen, in my opinion, 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.880 his life became so much more structured. And my dad 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:58.800 said the years that he worked with Greg Norman because 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.760 they had so many obligates off the golf course, and 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.040 I think Tiger's life got like that as well. He 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.840 had so many other things going on. Right, when you 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:11.960 reach a global icon status, your time is very limited. 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:16.520 So I watched Tiger as he got better, become way 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:20.960 more structured and incredibly diligent, and you could mark your 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.280 watch by when he was going to walk onto the 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.320 range when he was going to go to the tee. 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:29.879 He was a robot in his structure at his best. 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:34.320 Yeah, and that's probably how his mind worked naturally. 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:37.640 How can people listening guys figure out which one they are? 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.600 Well, I think for me, I even in my personal life, 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.600 I like plans. I enjoyed plans, but I don't necessarily 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:45.120 like structure. 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:53.520 Drinking plans, oh deary may Yes, I do like a 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:57.520 structure for drinking, but but like I enjoy, I don't 0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:58.280 enjoy structure. 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:00.679 So like, I know what my drill, I know what 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:02.440 I need to get done, but it has to be 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.800 the way I want to do it, if that makes sense. 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.600 And I think that's that took me a lot, like 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:09.280 quite a while in my career to kind of figure 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:10.600 that out. I was always trying to be the kind 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:12.760 of more of the structured to feel like I was 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:14.920 getting the most out of my day. Whereas now I'm like, right, 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:16.119 I know I need to do this drill. I know 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:18.800