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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast, you know the drill.

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Speaker 1: We come to you every Wednesday. This week's guest something

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Speaker 1: that I've been wanting to do for a while and

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Speaker 1: I thought i'd kind of run it back with She

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Speaker 1: was the first guest of the podcast when I launched

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Speaker 1: it a couple of years ago. Mel red. She's won

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Speaker 1: a bunch of times on the LPGA Tour, It's been

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Speaker 1: on the Solheim Cup team, and her coach, Jorge Parata.

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Speaker 1: Horge is the director of instruction at Liberty National. He

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Speaker 1: works with mel He works with Carlotta Siganda, works with

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Speaker 1: Bryan O'Toole, and is really one of the good young

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Speaker 1: instructors out there in professional golf. But I thought it

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Speaker 1: was cool. I was over at the Grant Thornton, which

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Speaker 1: was the team event, and was talking to Melanjorge and

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Speaker 1: was talking about being on the podcast, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: why don't I get both of them on? And it's

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Speaker 1: a cool conversation to listen to a really, you know,

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Speaker 1: an elite, elite player and their coach that kind of

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Speaker 1: back and forth, and that's kind of the world that

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Speaker 1: I live in, and I think it's a unique insight

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Speaker 1: rules and the boundaries are. So Melan Horgay do a

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Speaker 1: really great job talking about it. There's some really cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: Mel's a new parent. She and her wife, Carly, they

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Speaker 1: just celebrated having their first baby, so a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff to talk about. So really excited for this one,

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Speaker 1: Melon Horge. Sit back and enjoy it. So this is

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Speaker 1: a rarity for the pard mel you are our first

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Speaker 1: guest for the podcast when we started back there, and

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Speaker 1: that's that's a long time ago, because it seems like

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Speaker 1: that was a long time ago, but that was pre

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Speaker 1: you being a proud parent to a new baby. Boy,

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Speaker 2: That's kind of scary for a lot of people to

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Speaker 2: definitely scary for me. I know it's a scary part.

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Speaker 2: I think it's scary for Carl as well, my wife.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, he's also he's coming out to a month

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Speaker 2: old now and obviously life changing and yeah, my life

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Speaker 2: looks are very different now and than it did a

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Speaker 2: few months ago. So it's awesome. Yeah, we're obviously still

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Speaker 2: learning and still adjusting. But wouldn't change it.

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Speaker 1: What's been the biggest surprise in being a brand new parent?

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Speaker 2: You just don't know what you're doing, do you. Let's

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Speaker 2: be honest, you just try to do your best. You're

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Speaker 2: just trying to keep the thing, you know, stopping from

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Speaker 2: crying all the time. But he's a pretty good baby.

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Speaker 2: He's sleeping pretty well through the night. Carlie's obviously a natural,

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Speaker 2: which helps. And yeah, it's just awesome just seeing his

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Speaker 2: little personality, even at a month old, to s grow

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Speaker 2: every day is just kind of cool.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I've been wanting to do for

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Speaker 1: a while, and you two are the first ones to

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Speaker 1: do it, is to get a player and a coach

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Speaker 1: on the pod at the same time. Orgeate, You've worked

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Speaker 1: with a lot of really, really good players, Director of

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Speaker 1: instruction at Liberty National. I mean, if there's not a

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Speaker 1: and you get a PG but a lot of times

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Speaker 1: you get a PGA Tour event, you get a lot

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Speaker 1: of tournaments there. How many weeks are you're on the

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Speaker 1: road you're working with mel give me a list of

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Speaker 1: the other players you're working with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right now, Currently I have four players and they'll

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Speaker 3: PG door tool, read any home quiz, and.

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Speaker 1: Then she should hit it further. What do you think

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Speaker 1: she should Well, she should Carloda hit it further.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I've seen I hit it pretty further on the range.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie that swings speach. She can get

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Speaker 1: What'd she like to work with? I mean she when

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Speaker 1: I watched her hit golf balls, it's like, Wow, that's

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Speaker 1: a different, different sound.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's interesting. I've worked with thirsteince twenty fifteen, right.

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Speaker 1: And she's always been long.

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Speaker 3: She's always been long. She's always been very long. Matter

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Speaker 3: of fact, I would probably argue she was maybe longer

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Speaker 3: even a little bit longer. But in twenty fifteen, when

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Speaker 3: we started working together, she was someone that had never

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Speaker 3: So she came to Sagrass to see me, and she said,

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Speaker 3: I don't care about stats. Don't show me stats. I

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Speaker 3: take video and look at it.

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Speaker 1: That's a great start. Yeah, and why are you golfers

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Speaker 1: also crazy? Why are you guys also crazy?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: I don't want to see stats. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: look at my golf swing. Don't talk to me about

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Speaker 1: my golf swing. What the hell is she hiring you for?

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Speaker 1: So travel with you on tour.

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Speaker 3: That's how it started, right, And I said, okay, well,

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Speaker 3: I've looked at your stats, and for the last two

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Speaker 1: She said, Okay, it's not about money, it's about trophies

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Speaker 3: But it's true. So I said, I said, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: look at the first three players on the leader board

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Speaker 3: and see if you hit more or less. And let's

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Speaker 3: start there. If you talk to her now, these many years,

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Speaker 3: she knows every player. She looks at everything, not everything,

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Speaker 3: but like she looks and she still consults. Right, She

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Speaker 3: She'll look at club head speed, attack, angle, ball speed,

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Speaker 3: carry these things. That's it. Did She like loves that

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Speaker 1: Completely if I had to describe that more of a professional, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can't play competitive golf and never look

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Speaker 1: just that's that's an impossibility. That's that's not a recipe

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Speaker 1: for success. Now as a player, Porge just described Carlos.

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Speaker 1: If you had to describe yourself as no bullshit, not

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Speaker 1: not trying to be funny, not making a joke, but

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Speaker 1: if you had to describe yourself as a golfer and

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Speaker 3: Your game is?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 1: What Horge is? When you're looking at a coach, what

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Speaker 1: do you want? What do you want to look at?

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Speaker 1: What you don't want to look at? I think everybody

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Speaker 1: podcast Trevor Mulman, who now does an amazing job at CBS.

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Speaker 1: Trevor wanted. I couldn't give Trevor enough information. I couldn't

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Speaker 1: We couldn't look the swing, We got the dinner and

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Speaker 1: no information. Now, what kind of player would you say

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a bit of a nutter in a different way.

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Speaker 2: He's I don't know, you might agree or disagree with

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Speaker 2: me here. I get very obsessed with my own golf swing,

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Speaker 2: do this? Though? Why don't? And he's like, stop, just

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Speaker 1: Most of the time because I've talked me down yet,

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Speaker 2: It stresses me out.

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Speaker 1: I've had players on the podcast to say, listen, I'm

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Speaker 1: golf course. This is the yardage. Hit this shot right.

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Speaker 1: So there's that thing to where I think as a player.

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Speaker 1: they're not. They're trying to have someone else's pre shot routine,

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's important Mel to kind of not

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Speaker 1: You've asked me tons of questions. You know when when

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Speaker 1: Jupiter at the Floridian, you played a lot with Brooks. Indeed,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I liked it.

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Speaker 2: I've always I've always loved to learn, like especially with athletes,

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Speaker 2: Like I've just always been fascinated, not necessarily just with golf,

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Speaker 2: Like I'm you know, you want to see other athletes.

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Speaker 2: but it's funny like when I'm on the golf course,

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Speaker 2: I do rely on him, but I take a lot

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Speaker 2: of that. You want to make the decision, make the decisions. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like I enjoy that, but with well, hey, I just

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Speaker 2: I just like driving him nuts. To be honest, I

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Speaker 2: just I know I'm a bit hard work. Sometimes we

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Speaker 2: all are in a different way. But I just I

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Speaker 2: love learning. But sometimes it's a bit of a detriment

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Speaker 2: because I don't just do what he tells me and

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Speaker 2: trust what he's telling them. I do trust him, but

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Speaker 2: just understand that this is what we're trying to do

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Speaker 2: and stop getting on a spiral over here somewhere.

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Speaker 1: So all right, I'm gonna ask you both this question.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask Mel first, and then I'll ask you, now,

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Speaker 1: what do you like about your golf swing? And what

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Speaker 3: So what happens when we grow up, we go to school,

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Speaker 3: Throwing a drill out of the equation. Yeah, if in

434
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Speaker 3: a couple of the first couple of swings. I mean,

435
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Speaker 3: she's so athletic, right, you've seen her, like obviously, you

436
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,679
Speaker 3: know these elite athletes are so athletic that if you

437
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Speaker 3: give them a drill and they don't look athletic, clearly

438
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Speaker 3: there is something between the connection of the mind to

439
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Speaker 3: the body that, in my opinion, is not You.

440
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Speaker 1: Talk about structure, and I think what everybody listening, And

441
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Speaker 1: in my head, I was thinking, Okay, the structure is

442
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Speaker 1: talking about practice, But it's something that I talk a

443
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Speaker 1: lot about, and I think that a lot of players

444
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Speaker 1: that are trying to get to that next level are

445
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Speaker 1: convinced that the only way they can get there is

446
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Speaker 1: to have incredibly structured, incredibly lengthy, incredibly technically overloaded practice. Sessions.

447
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Speaker 1: What are some things that you both think that people

448
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Speaker 1: listening can do from a structure on the golf course

449
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Speaker 1: when they're playing golf, not practicing golf, because I think

450
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Speaker 1: I just see that. I think everybody in golf just

451
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Speaker 1: practices too much. I think we are as golfers, we

452
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Speaker 1: are overloaded with practice and we're underloaded with real real

453
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Speaker 1: time data playing what's happening in the game. I mean,

454
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Speaker 1: would you guys agree that at times practice can almost

455
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Speaker 1: in your head, become more important than playing what you're

456
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Speaker 1: doing on the range. It's like, okay, well let me

457
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Speaker 1: just get back to the range. And it's like sometimes

458
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Speaker 1: you can forget what you're doing on the course. Yeah, okay,

459
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Speaker 1: I just want to get to the range and work

460
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Speaker 1: on this. I'm like, yep, But it's not a game

461
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Speaker 1: of practice, right, you know this. If golf was a

462
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Speaker 1: game of practice, it would have judges and Nelly Korter

463
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: would win every week and Adam Scott would win every

464
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Speaker 1: week because the judges would look at their golf swings

465
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Speaker 1: and go ten nine to nine nine eight. If you

466
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Speaker 1: didn't have a beautiful, technically sound golf swing from a

467
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Speaker 1: judgment standpoint, you wouldn't be able to do. What are

468
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Speaker 1: some things that you can structure on the golf course

469
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Speaker 1: when you're playing.

470
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think for us, like he discussed me

471
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Speaker 2: more on my target lines, he's pretty structured with that.

472
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Speaker 2: And he's pretty because I again shock, I can be

473
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Speaker 2: a little bit understand it verbally.

474
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Speaker 1: Ask you it's like where.

475
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Speaker 2: You start and Ry, I'm going to start of that

476
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Speaker 2: tree and the one's going to move it. Ryan, He's

477
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Speaker 2: like perfect, and then he's like, hit it hard.

478
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Speaker 1: Because I think a lot of golfers I'll ask them that,

479
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Speaker 1: especially high handicapped golfers, where's your target and they'll say, well,

480
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Speaker 1: the flag. I'm like, you know that's not going to

481
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,719
Speaker 1: work because you don't hit You're not going to hit

482
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Speaker 1: your target given your talent level and stuff like that.

483
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Speaker 1: And I think what you said their mel is really

484
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Speaker 1: important that you're being structured with your target line, being structured,

485
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Speaker 1: with where you're starting the golf ball. I think would

486
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Speaker 1: you agree. I think most golfers are obsessed where the

487
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Speaker 1: golf ball is going, and they're not obsessed where the

488
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Speaker 1: golf ball is starting.

489
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you're.

490
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Speaker 1: Trying to hit a draw the ball, damn well, better

491
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Speaker 1: start to the right, and if you're trying to hit

492
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Speaker 1: a fade, it needs meaning, it needs I think a

493
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Speaker 1: lot of players think, if I'm going to hit a draw,

494
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Speaker 1: I aim at right at the flag, and then I

495
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Speaker 1: hit the draw right and then it's curving offline. And

496
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Speaker 1: I think that would you say that's structuring in having

497
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Speaker 1: very diligent, specific regular what's your target? What's your target line?

498
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Speaker 1: Where are you trying to start this golf ball? I

499
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Speaker 1: think that has a tremendous amount of power in it.

500
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Speaker 3: Yeah, even even working with the Elgue golfers, right, obviously

501
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: Elague golfers are different because of you know everything they're

502
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Speaker 3: going through, right, But I remember, uh, you know, looking

503
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Speaker 3: through like even with her, We're on the golf course

504
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Speaker 3: and it's a little windy, and there's a slope right

505
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Speaker 3: to left, and where's your target two years right at

506
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 3: the flag? Okay, what's your starting line? Two years right

507
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 3: at the flat? But you have a right to left slope, lie,

508
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Speaker 3: and it's into the wind. Where do you want to

509
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Speaker 3: land it? There's one forty five okay, and the wind

510
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 3: is making it play one fifteen? No, no, no, where

511
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: do you want to land it? Right? So like the

512
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Speaker 3: even the ability to always follow the same process of

513
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Speaker 3: how you communicate with yourself or with your caddy, with

514
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 3: your cellphor with your caddy sirt right. So if you're

515
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 3: an elite level, what's the flag, where do you want

516
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Speaker 3: to land? Now, what's the wind plane? Then what's the

517
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 3: slope doing? Then what's the total shot plane? Then what

518
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 3: club do I select for that specific distance with that

519
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 3: specific light, then go in and execute. But I think

520
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Speaker 3: a lot of times most players will jump all of those.

521
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Speaker 3: It'll be one forty five is playing one fifty, Grab

522
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Speaker 3: my one fifty club or grab my one sixty club

523
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Speaker 3: and try to hit a knock down right, And that's it.

524
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Speaker 3: So it's it's it's interesting. That's what I think. That's

525
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Speaker 3: what a lot of people can really learn is the

526
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Speaker 3: fact that they jump steps to get to the to

527
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Speaker 3: the flag right, or they jump steps to as you said,

528
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Speaker 3: figure out where they want to finish the ball. But

529
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Speaker 3: you know, these elite athletes, they they control the starting

530
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: line much more than they control their finish line correct

531
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Speaker 3: much more.

532
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Speaker 1: And that's the that's the opposite of the average golf

533
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Speaker 1: of the average golfer, I think, you know that's playing

534
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: golf non professionally, non ultra ultra competitively is never even

535
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: thinking about their start line. They're never even thinking about

536
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Speaker 1: where they're intending to start the golf ball. They're just

537
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: hyper focused on where the golf ball is going to finish. Now,

538
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 1: what type of player are you are? Are you from

539
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: driving range to the golf course? How many swing thoughts

540
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Speaker 1: are you taking with you to the golf course? Are

541
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Speaker 1: you trying to go to the golf course with no

542
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Speaker 1: swing thoughts? If you do take them, how many are

543
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: you taking them? Or you just go and say, listen,

544
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Speaker 1: I have what I have today. I was on the range.

545
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: This is what I've got, this is the shape I've got,

546
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Speaker 1: and I'm just going to go play golf.

547
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Speaker 2: So I'm a type, but I do like a swing thought.

548
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 2: I've got like one with my driver, and then I

549
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 2: wanted maybe maybe two with my full swings. But that's

550
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Speaker 2: pretty much it. I can't know my feeling that I

551
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: feel most comfortable with. I have like a few that

552
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: we can always revert back to, so like ones not

553
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: working that day, I can go to another one that

554
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 2: I like and another one. So I have like a

555
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 2: little blueprint of swing balls that you usually are pretty solid.

556
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: What's the main feeling that you like to take to

557
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: the golf course or does that.

558
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: Hit it hard? If I'm completely honest, like I get

559
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 2: in trouble when I don't. I guess another way you

560
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 2: could say is commit. But I don't feel like I'm

561
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: not committing. I'm just don't swing as hard, and so

562
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: that is what manipulates the club and gets my body

563
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: not moving as athletic as it should.

564
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Speaker 1: But org wouldn't you say that when Mel doesn't hit

565
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: the golf ball hard. Those would be the swings where

566
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: she says she doesn't like to wear her legs.

567
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 3: Look right, Yeah, she gets less aggressive, a little slow,

568
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: little scary.

569
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, my legs go before my hands in my body.

570
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

571
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: And I always think it's you can let yourself off

572
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: the hook. If you're trying to hit a good shot

573
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: and you hit a bad one, then it's harder to

574
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: let yourself off the hook when you're not trying to

575
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: hit it obi, when you're not trying to hit out

576
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: of bounds, you're not trying to hit it in the water.

577
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: So you take a club and you don't make an

578
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: aggressive swing, and you're like, I should have just hit

579
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: driver I'm up here trying to steer a three wood,

580
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: and I didn't really commit to it, and I really

581
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: didn't trust the swing. And if I think a lot

582
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: of play people on the the average golfer thinks that

583
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: the majority of their golf swings are bad, and people say, oh,

584
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: you swung too hard, I don't really see that. I

585
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: see what most people do on the golf courses. Their

586
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: body stops and their arms swing hard. They're not swinging hard,

587
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 1: They're just swinging their arms hard because the body stops.

588
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's you know with mel as she was saying,

589
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 3: I mean, and we used that a lot last year.

590
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: I call it closing the loop. Right, So I talk

591
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: about the what the brain does right, and you, interestingly,

592
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 3: you brought up archery. This is something I learned from

593
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 3: a guy called Joe Turner, and he talks about the

594
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 3: mental loop. So if the if the if the brain

595
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: is on an open loop, any thought can come in

596
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: at any given point where if the if the brain

597
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 3: is in a closed loop, it's hard for anything to

598
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: come up. So I do exercises with and we did

599
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: it a lot last year where she was talking about

600
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 3: saying the same word over and over again throughout the

601
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: entire golf swing. So whether it was turn turn, turn, turn, turn,

602
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 3: and her brain just kept saying turn, turn, turn, turn turn,

603
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: or if it was two swing thoughts, it was right left.

604
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: Let's say with the driver last year, for example, we

605
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: were trying to move a little bit off to the right,

606
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 3: a little bit through the ball, so right, right, right,

607
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: and as soon as you got to the top of

608
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: the swing, she would say left, left, left, left, and

609
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: the brain was always closing the loop of those two thoughts.

610
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: If you're walking and you say right left, right, left, right, let,

611
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: you can't think of anything else coming around right.

612
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: Tiger said that to me. I mean when Tiger went

613
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: on that run in two thousand, he had that putted

614
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: at Valhalla in the playoff to get into a playoff

615
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: with Bob May he was kind of downhill and stuff

616
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: like that, and I asked him after the season was over,

617
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: I said, what what you're saying to yourself? And he said,

618
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: I'm He said, if you could hear what I was

619
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: saying to myself in my head, he was like, I said,

620
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: he said, I got over the pot, and I was like,

621
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: this put's so easy. My mom could make this. Pott

622
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: and he said basically, once I saw that, he said,

623
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: I just am saying over and over in my head,

624
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: make it, make it, make it. Make that sounds yeah,

625
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, that sounds simplistic. But if that is

626
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: the mantra and that is the only thing that you're

627
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: saying to yourself, that that can't be a negative, right, right,

628
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: and then that's got something positive has to come out

629
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: of trying to have your focus be on something that

630
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: is task orient and task positive.

631
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 3: Correct, and is what you're trying to achieve. Right, You're

632
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: telling yourself what this swing thought or the feel or

633
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: the sensation, whatever we want to call it. If if

634
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: it's be aggressive, and you tell yourself aggressive, aggressive, aggressive,

635
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 3: and the only word going through your mind is aggressed.

636
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: In that loop is aggressive.

637
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: Nothing else is going to come in. It's it's hard

638
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 3: for the thought of oh, lake right, bunker left, any

639
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: of those thoughts. So, you know, we talk a lot

640
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: about I'd rather you pick a more conservative line and

641
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 3: make a more aggressive swing.

642
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: Conservative target, very aggressive aggressive.

643
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 3: Target, and then make a conservative swing right.

644
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: Or a non committed swing exactly. Now, do you find

645
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: that sometimes when you're taking really really aggressive lines to

646
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: where it's a really really dicey pin, you know, forced

647
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: carry over water. You're trying to push it and you're

648
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: trying to be super super aggressive. It's sometimes it's situations

649
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: can get away from you or does that help you?

650
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: If you're honest, I think it helps me, right, Like

651
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: if I've got a tight drive and I in my

652
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: own head, I'm it forces you to have to commit

653
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 2: to this, like I have to if I've got any

654
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: chance of hitting the drive where I want it, I

655
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: have to commit to this. Like I've got any chance

656
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: of this five iron getting over that water on this

657
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: part five, I have to commit to this. So it

658
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: almost forces me into that space. So yeah, I mean

659
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: I would say I'm usually better, and it's when I've

660
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: got like a wedge in the middle of a green

661
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: that I usually yeahs.

662
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: Actually I spent. I am the only person that has

663
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: ever worked with Bubba Watson. It was two weeks I

664
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: worked with him at Memorial in twenty and for about

665
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: five days at the PGA right, and so we were

666
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: at Memorial and I was asking him about his game,

667
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: and I started to notice something that he would say

668
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: to his caddy, who now Keddy's for Scotti Scheffler, Teddy Scott,

669
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: we'd get be a practice round, we'd get over the ball,

670
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: we'd get to the and Bubba would start going, all right, Petty,

671
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: what do you want to see here? Kind of shot

672
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: you want to see here? So Teddy would give him

673
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: the number, and then Bubba's immediate reaction was what kind

674
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: of shot you want to see here? Because he's got

675
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: every shot he can play right the way Bubba plays

676
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: golf is and Bubba said, listen, when I get in

677
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: difficult situations, I feel like that's when I'm at my best.

678
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: Right case, in point winning, the first Masters hits it

679
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: way right at eighteen, the iconic you know, I mean

680
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: the hook to get to get it around, to get

681
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: the ball, to get anywhere close to the green let

682
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: alone where he got it. But he I finally got

683
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 1: him to admit that the difficulty is seven iron from

684
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: the middle of the fairway to an easy pin, to

685
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: a not a tucked pin, to a green light pin,

686
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: a wedge in his hand from his wedgeyard to a

687
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: green light pin. He's like, that's where I get paralyzed

688
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: because I've got so many options that I can't see

689
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: any and that is such a weird place to be in, right,

690
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: But I think it goes to what you said was

691
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: when the situation demands the most focus, it's easier for

692
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: you to focus in on that, right.

693
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: Like you know, if I do tend to hit you know,

694
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: when I hit a batchet on the trees or something,

695
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: and i'm you know, me and Greg would be like, right,

696
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: we need you know, it's one thing, we needed it

697
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: under this tree. It's just hit a low seven like

698
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: run it up, you know, because this.

699
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,959
Speaker 1: Is a pod, because this is a podcast and people

700
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: aren't watching you. When you started describing that story, your

701
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: eyes your head went down low, your eyes went low.

702
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: But I'm almost described like I'm almost talking to myself

703
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: about the process of the shot.

704
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes I take people into the trees and say, all right,

705
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 1: get out, what do you see? Hit me a hook

706
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: out of this. Sometimes these players couldn't hit a snaphook

707
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: or draw the golf ball to save their life from

708
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: a flat lie with a seven iron. But you get

709
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: them into the trees and you say, okay, you got

710
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: to get it around this corner. You've got a little

711
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: bit of a window. We're trying to keep your ball

712
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: flight down. All right, let's go over see those trees

713
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: over there, see that branch, You've got to hit me

714
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: five ten shots underneath that.

715
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's honestly, Like when it just it's

716
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: just clearer for me because I know exactly what I'm

717
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: having to do, and so there's just no for me.

718
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: I feel like the doubt just goes away, like I

719
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: know exactly the shot I'm going to play, Like I said,

720
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: when I'm in trouble and stuff, or if I've got

721
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: a moment where, you know, if I have to bury

722
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 2: the last even you know, not even to win a

723
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: twenty to make make the cut, you know, I somehow,

724
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: you know, not all the time obviously, but a lot

725
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: of the time I give myself a pretty good chance

726
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: because I know, right, I've just got to commit to

727
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: the seven I'm going to cut off there, and it's

728
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: just very clear. But we've got to try and do

729
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: that on the first till on the Thursday, do you know.

730
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: I mean, you've got to do it straightway, but it's

731
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: difficult sometimes.

732
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: Pregan, I give golf lessons to regular golfers. You are

733
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: not a regular golfer. You are a professional golfer and

734
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: an elite golfer. You play pro ams with the people

735
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: that when we're not on tour that we tea on

736
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: a regular basis, the average everyday handicapped golfer not scratched.

737
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: They're just they're just sometimes they're weekend golfers. Sometimes they're

738
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: recreational golfers. You play pro ams every time you're on tour.

739
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: Give me the top three things that you see on

740
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: a regular basis from your pro am partners, And what

741
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: do you think, for the majority of them is the

742
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: lowest hanging fruit for them to improve.

743
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: They certainly don't hit it as far as they think.

744
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: They've hit like one seven nine two jards once and

745
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: so they think that they should hit their seven nine

746
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: two hundred yards every time. That's number one. I feel

747
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 2: like they just straight away just grab a log wedge

748
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: every time they need to chip. You can chip with

749
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 2: a nine nine, you know that's pretty uh. I think

750
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 2: that would help their short game tremendously and honestly pace

751
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: on the greens. I think that they just try and

752
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 2: smash it in the hole all the time, or you know,

753
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: they leave it eight foot short. So that would be

754
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: my three things. I think that they actually need understand

755
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: that average distance not the highest distance with each club

756
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: chip with not a lob wedge, you know, we it's

757
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: hardship with a lot budge, especially on grainy grass, especially

758
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: here in Florida. You've got to practice that a lot

759
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: and just honestly paced on the greens. I think that

760
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: if they improve them three and I think it'd make

761
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: a huge difference to the average, the average golfer.

762
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: I know you'd agree where I think the biggest value

763
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: that I have to a student isn't standing on a

764
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: driving range with them. It's actually going out of the

765
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: golf course and just going, hey, don't hit that shot,

766
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: hit this one, No, don't hit this club, hit that one. No,

767
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 1: don't take that target line, take that one. No, don't

768
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: try and carry that lay up. Play smart. And I

769
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: always say to players, play for the pores, and the

770
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: birdies kind of get in the way. But I think

771
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: what everybody tries to do is everybody just tries to

772
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: play for the birdies, right.

773
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, it's just and it's I had this situation

774
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 3: happened two years ago with with one of our members

775
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: at Liberty These lady doesn't play a lot of golf,

776
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: beautiful golf swing and she said I'm not very confident,

777
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 3: but I have to play this Nexus Cup that we

778
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 3: have coming up with my husband and two other people.

779
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: I said, well, you have a great golf No I don't. Okay,

780
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: very athletic, very good. Let's go on the golf course.

781
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: A couple of times before she was a twenty five handicup.

782
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 3: We go on the golf course. We get to the

783
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: first hole. You've been at Liberty, so you know what

784
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: the first hole is. She's like, oh, here, I hit

785
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 3: three wood down there. I'm like, well, there's a creek

786
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: on the right, there's a bunker on the left. No,

787
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 3: hit your seven R. But that's not going to get

788
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 3: me to the furway right seven are seven iron to

789
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 3: the rough, doesn't even get to the faaway Like, Okay,

790
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 3: now hit a pitcher wach to that layup area where

791
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: you three would be. Okay, go there. Okay, now hit

792
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: another pitching wach to the right side of the green. Okay,

793
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 3: two put She makes a bogie. Then we go next

794
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: all this part three. So I said, we're gonna skip

795
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: down and we're gonna go down there. So we go down.

796
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: We get the whole number five lake on the left

797
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: outbound's right narrow. I said, okay, here you can hit

798
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 3: three with if you want to a driver. So she

799
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: hits it and then it gets really narrow. Then it's

800
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 3: thirteen yards from the water hause are on the left,

801
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: to the bunker on the right and the entrance of

802
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 3: the green. She's like, well, here, I would hit eight

803
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: iron on the green. Like, no, we're gonna hit pitch

804
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: edge short of the green. That's a forty yard landing area.

805
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: Hits pitching ed. I'm like, now hit a wedge. Hits

806
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: a wedge to the middle of the green. Two puts bogie.

807
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, you boggy bogie right. Take that, you're

808
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: one under. We're playing holes that you have two strokes

809
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: on some of them. You're one under. Part Let's go

810
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 3: to the part five. Go part five driver. I go

811
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 3: seven iron lake right again, rescue left, very dangerous. She's like,

812
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: normally here would hit my three with to get as

813
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 3: close as I can. I'm like, yeah, you'd hit it

814
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 3: on the water. You hit it in the fescue. Seven iron,

815
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: I said, pitching wedge, another wedge into green. Two putts right.

816
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 3: So she's like, I never thought about playing this way.

817
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: I said, well, what I want you to do for

818
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 3: the next cup is I want you to add the

819
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 3: strokes and put my par right, my par and put seven, five, six,

820
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 3: whatever it is. She should's eighty two and they win

821
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: the Nexus Cup and she's like, I.

822
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: Never thought I could play that good.

823
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 3: I go just play to your skill. You play to

824
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 3: your level, right.

825
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think everyone thinks their level is much

826
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: higher than it is, right. And I think that's because

827
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: we watch people like you, Mal and we watch golf

828
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: on TV, and we watch all you great players do things,

829
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: and we're so prediposed to the numbers that you all

830
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: are hitting and the shots that you all are hitting.

831
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, certainly on the men's side, it's

832
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: rare that there's a par five that everybody in the

833
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: group isn't going for, right, Nobody I mean on the

834
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: PGA to or the majority of the guys, as sure

835
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,959
Speaker 1: as I learn't laying up, they're gonna try and smash

836
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: it down there and get it. And I think the

837
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: viewers watch the way the best players in the world play,

838
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: and it'd be like watching Max Versaff and drive his

839
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: red bell left one car and then going and getting

840
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: in your Toyota Corolla and go try and do the

841
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: same thing and it's just not gonna work, right. And

842
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: on top of that, you don't know how to drive anyway,

843
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: so the car is not going to do what you're

844
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: trying to get it do, and you don't know how

845
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: to drive it at those speeds. I think that's why

846
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: I find that fascinating. I don't think there's any other

847
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: sport that people play recreationally where I think golfers are

848
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: at the top of the list of over expectations, right.

849
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: They just their expectations are their golf swing is going

850
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: to improve as the day goes on, that their golf

851
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: swing is going to get better on the golf course.

852
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: So they're just gonna keep trying stuff on the golf

853
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: course because they're going to improve as the realm. And

854
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: it's just that shit just doesn't happen, right, Yeah.

855
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 3: I mean it's each person has a certain level of skill, right,

856
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 3: and that skill gives them variants. If you want the

857
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: variants to be smaller, you must improve your skill, and

858
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 3: if you want your score to be better, you must

859
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: manage your variance. But you can't do both at the

860
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 3: same time. So if you want your skill to improve,

861
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: go improve your skill. That's fine. It might take a month,

862
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 3: it might take six it might take five years. I

863
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: don't know how long it's gonna take. But go improve

864
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: your skill. If you want to score better, take that

865
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: same variance you currently have which your skill gives you,

866
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: and manage it the best you can on the golf course,

867
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 3: and then you will get your best score for you,

868
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 3: your best scoring average over the course.

869
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: The best score for power, not the best the best

870
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: score for you.

871
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 3: For your current skill level. Right. I mean it's you

872
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 3: see these working with your players. They don't hite it

873
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 3: where they're looking all the time, and they don't know

874
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: if the push cuts coming, or if the pull cuts coming,

875
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 3: or the one that goes straight at the pins coming.

876
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 3: Before they swing the club. They don't know which one

877
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 3: is coming. But their skill is so high that the

878
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 3: larger percentage of times they hit it somewhat where they're looking.

879
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: And then a worse golfer, even a professional golfer at

880
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 3: a lower level, a lot of times the variants may

881
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: be a little bit larger because the skill is maybe

882
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: slightly worse. But what they do, unbelievably well is they

883
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 3: manage that variants the best of their ability and they

884
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 3: manage their game, right. I mean, I remember watching Brooks

885
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: at Bethpage. If I remember correctly, I think he hit

886
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 3: forty seven or forty eight percent of fairways that week

887
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 3: and he won with what appeared to be absolutely no problem.

888
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: That was probably at the end, but you know what

889
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: I mean, like the cruise to the first three rounds

890
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 1: and you would have thought that he basically hit every fairway.

891
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he managed as soon as I was saying,

892
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: and I've being a beth Page and you've being a

893
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 3: beth Page obviously, I don't know if you've ever been there.

894
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: It's a beast, a beast. And you could see like

895
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: tuck left pin right, talk shore left pin from the

896
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: left rough somewhat right side of the pen, somewhere on

897
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: the green, put it backwards, waited until the next It

898
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: just looked so manageable, even though I'm sure internally for

899
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 3: him it wasn't right, but it looked manageable. And his

900
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: skill level is what it is.

901
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: But I think what I hear you saying is, whatever

902
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,479
Speaker 1: your skill level is, try and play to your skill level,

903
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: as opposed to trying to do something that you can't

904
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: do or isn't your skill level.

905
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 3: Right, or even try to improve your skill while you're playing. Yeah,

906
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 3: tried to hit it better than you actually have the

907
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: current ability. Right. We talked, I mean with mel. Yes,

908
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 3: they were doing the practice round. She wasn't feeling great

909
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 3: practice round and I said, well, you haven't competed in

910
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 3: three months. And I said, but at the back nine,

911
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 3: it said, but I'm hitting it thin so well in

912
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: the back nine, how many birdie PUDs do you have,

913
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 3: like inside twenty feet? We started counting. She had five

914
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: out of nine inside twenty right, and I'm like, well

915
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: inside twenty feet you're better than you know, you're better

916
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 3: than number one in the world in those nine holes.

917
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 3: But yes, she's on the practice round trying to improve

918
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: this skill, meaning she's trying to hit it more solid,

919
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 3: more of the central face that feels a little better

920
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 3: than the swing. And I was like, what you have

921
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 3: right now is these manage that you did great at

922
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: managing it, and you hit a lot of balls inside

923
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 3: where if you if it was a competition and you

924
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 3: stayed patient, you would you would shoot a pretty good

925
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 3: round at nice. And then we went on. We went

926
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 3: on the driving range, and it felt it felt better,

927
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: and I said, okay, well, and then today it was

928
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 3: much more solid, right, but I'm not sure that she

929
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 3: hit as many inside twenty feet but it felt great,

930
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 3: but it felt better. So the skill versus the managing right,

931
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 3: managing that that ability and that variance and that skill

932
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: and playing that's what these players are so unbelievable.

933
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: At last, question for you both, No, you can answer

934
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: first life changing year for you off the golf course,

935
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: welcoming your first child, you recently got married. But grade

936
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: wise for this year you're on the LPGA tour. What

937
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: grade do you give yourself and what do you feel

938
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: like you need to do better next year?

939
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give myself a little bit of grace and

940
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: that you know, I was injured towards the end of

941
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. Wasn't sure. I didn't have great status

942
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: at the start of the year, and we had only

943
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 2: a certain amount of events to get that back, which

944
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: we did. I couldn't play the Asian events at the

945
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: end of the year just because obviously Carlie was we

946
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: were expecting and you know still finished eight second on

947
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: seeing me. So I'd say overall, with all the circumstances,

948
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: we had a pretty pretty decent year. Considering be minus

949
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: plas minus minus B minus, I would say I think

950
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: we got a lot of great work done. My poeing improved,

951
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: my driving distance was good. So yeah, I mean next

952
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: year's going to look different. I think. Obviously having a baby,

953
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: now we're going to have to manage our structure, manage

954
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: our time better. Is he going to travel, Yeah, he's

955
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: going to travel with us. Yeah, for sure, I couldn't

956
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: do otherwise. So you know, for me, I think I'm

957
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: just gonna have to be very very present during my

958
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: practice sessions and when im at the golf course so

959
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: that I don't take it home with me. I think

960
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: that that's something that I'm going to try and develop

961
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 2: as quickly as I can. But yeah, I mean I

962
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 2: feel like, yeah, I haven't played in three months, but

963
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 2: you know, I came down last week and I felt

964
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: like the base of the swing was pretty good. Obviously

965
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 2: I'm a bit rusty, which so I'm proud of the

966
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: work that we've done together and obviously he's helped me tremendously,

967
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm looking forward to next year.

968
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: What do you think or what does mel need to

969
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: What are the strengths that she can carry to next year.

970
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: And what are some things that you guys are looking

971
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: to improve as a team.

972
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 3: So I'll give you real quick, I'll give you migrade

973
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: on this year. So and this is because, believe it

974
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 3: or not, I never judge ever, And if you ask

975
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 3: me or ask I never judge a year based on results,

976
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 3: ever they will. I don't. I judge. Like if I

977
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 3: ever say I'm proud of somebody, it's And if I

978
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 3: had a kid, this probably would be the way I

979
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: would raise my kid, not saying it's the right way

980
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: or the wrong way. Probably the wrong way because I

981
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: don't have one. But I would be proud of your effort,

982
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 3: your intention, and the attention that you paid to that intention.

983
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 3: Those are the three things I judge somebody on mel

984
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 3: this year, probably I would give her as this year.

985
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 3: And I'll give you one example. She started the year

986
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 3: with medical because of last year, she knew how she

987
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 3: had to play. For the first six events. We felt

988
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 3: we were in a good place from the off season,

989
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 3: and then the results weren't coming right, missed, a few cuts, made,

990
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 3: a couple, was not going to reshuffle in a good place,

991
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 3: was not going to maintain her full status. Mel of

992
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 3: any other year Liberty National event comes up, it's my

993
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 3: home course. She asked for an invite, she didn't get it,

994
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 3: and she was gonna get into shop right the next week.

995
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 3: But that was the first event after the reshof Mel

996
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 3: of any other year would have stayed home, practice at home,

997
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 3: be with her wife, right. And I talked to her

998
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 3: and I said, you made the choice. I'm just gonna

999
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 3: give you something else to think about. Worst case scenario,

1000
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 3: you come up here, you work with me Saturday and Sunday,

1001
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: away from a tournament. I'm my home course. I have

1002
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 3: all my stuff here with the practice rounds. You play

1003
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 3: the Monday qualifier, you miss the Monday qualifier, and you

1004
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 3: go back home and you're at home with Carly Tuesday

1005
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 3: through the next Tuesday. Because Shop price a Friday start,

1006
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 3: you still get seven days. Worst case scenario, you saw

1007
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 3: me for three full days. That's the worst case. Worst

1008
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 3: thing that can happen. Best thing that can happen. You

1009
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 3: come work Saturday, you work Sunday, you make it through

1010
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 3: the Monday qualifier. You're in the torn. Second best thing

1011
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: that can happen. You come, you work with me Saturday,

1012
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 3: work with me Sunday, you miss the Monday qualifer on Monday,

1013
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 3: but one of the girls who already has an invite

1014
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 3: makes it on the Monday, and then you get the

1015
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 3: next thing, and then third one is by Monday, your

1016
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 3: second AlterNet. Right now, by Monday, somebody pulls out and

1017
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 3: you're in the tournament. And she can tell you this.

1018
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 3: She thought about it. She made the decision to come up,

1019
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 3: which she probably would have never done.

1020
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 2: Before I have never done.

1021
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 3: She came up. She came up on Saturday morning. We

1022
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 3: worked on Saturday, worked on Sunday. She played the Monday. No,

1023
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 3: she didn't play the Monday someone pulled out, and Monday

1024
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 3: morning before she had to play, she got the last

1025
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 3: spot because somebody got injured. And I said, that's karma.

1026
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 3: Whether you're believe in karma or not, we can call

1027
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 3: it whatever, right, but but you got the spot. Then

1028
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 3: she starts making makes a cut, makes another cut, goes

1029
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: to KPMG, is near the lead after two days, and

1030
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, all of that roles right. Her

1031
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 3: year completely changed after that, completely change. And that's why

1032
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 3: I am proud of this year for her, because she

1033
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 3: did things that she would have never done. In the past,

1034
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 3: being with her back on against the wall. She didn't

1035
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 3: take the easier route and it paid off to regain

1036
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 3: her full status even playing a small amount of events,

1037
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 3: full status for next year, restart with a good card,

1038
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 3: and being a good friend of mine. So that's why

1039
00:52:59,560 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 3: I give an it.

1040
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 2: George, I like Itice was spending last six out of

1041
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 2: eight days with me, isn't it.

1042
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 3: He had to say that. That's how I judge. That's

1043
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 3: that's how I judge everybody.

1044
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: Well, thank you both for talking to me. Mel Like

1045
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: I said, you were the first podcast guests. Cool to

1046
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: get you back on. I hope I get video when

1047
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: the little guy starts swinging, Has he had a golf

1048
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: club at his hand yet?

1049
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 4: No?

1050
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to get him into real football. So

1051
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: he's got he's got some big feet on him, so

1052
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 2: I'm I'm already getting him into his little movements.

1053
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 1: But real, thanks for talking to us guys.

1054
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1055
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: So that was a really cool insight into the player

1056
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: coach relationship. And listen, I'm always fascinated by it. I'm

1057
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 1: right in the middle of it with working with players

1058
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: and stuff, but I'm always interested to listen to how

1059
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: that relationship between a player and a coach works, and

1060
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: and and what makes those partnerships gel and and be successful.

1061
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: And I thought Mel and were I did a great

1062
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: great job on that, and that's something that I'm going

1063
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: to try and do more, is get a coach and

1064
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: a player on, or maybe even a caddy and a

1065
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,919
Speaker 1: player on at the same time. I think that would

1066
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: be a really, really cool discussion. But I want to

1067
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: thank everyone for listening to the pod. It's twenty twenty four.

1068
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: We're going to continue to get as many good guests

1069
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: as we can and hopefully give you all some information

1070
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: that helps you with your golf swing. Son of a

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Speaker 1: Butcher comes to you every Wednesday. We will see you

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Speaker 1: all next week.