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Speaker 1: to listen to. Yeah, bye bye, Thinking Sideways. I don't

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Speaker 1: understand you never know stories of things we simply don't

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Speaker 1: three of us in a room and you got Thinking Sideways,

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Speaker 1: not really. You wouldn't have called this meeting unless you

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Speaker 1: this week I've got quite an interesting one that I

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Speaker 1: late and object was spotted in space coming towards our planet.

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Speaker 1: It was initially described as a near Earth object, which

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Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, but we don't know if it's actually

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Speaker 1: Did you destroy the Earth? Obviously not. It was spotted

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Speaker 1: by a guy named Jim Scotty, and Mr Scotty was

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Speaker 1: tracking this angeo, as they referred to him, with space Watch,

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Speaker 1: which is a telescope in kit Peak National Observatory which

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a telescope, but the software he set the

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of science e stuff and this one,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, and I've been struggling through this for

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. So he spots this thing, and like

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of science in this one. Here's how

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Speaker 1: they make these generalizations so that it's not a gazillion

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Speaker 1: So it could have been five times as large but

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Speaker 1: I think that it's it's mostly dependent upon getting caught

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Speaker 1: It's more and more like that. It's more like the

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Speaker 1: they were gonna be able to continue the mission or

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00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: if they're even gonna be able to make it home.

430
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: They get into space, controls were all messed up. Eventually,

431
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: ground control and the astronauts themselves they figured out how

432
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: to make things work and they were able to get

433
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: the stages to go to release and to send the

434
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: lunar lander away, which eventually did land on the Moon.

435
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: And there's all the photos in the world on the

436
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: internet to see that. What happened though, is that what

437
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: NASA intended to do is in a previous launch, they

438
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: had taken the third stage of one of the rockets,

439
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: and they had crashed it into the Moon, and this

440
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: time they wanted to go ahead and not crashing in

441
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: the moon, but sended specifically into orbit around the Moon.

442
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: When they went to do that, there was some miscalculation

443
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: and yeah, they well they pushed it too fast. Yeah,

444
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: Apollo twelve, as far as I know, it was, it

445
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: was a pretty There was not. There was not no

446
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: problem with that mission. So it sounds like a confusing

447
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: that with Apollo their team. No, no, no, no, Apollo twelve,

448
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: they had a lot of problems at launch. Once they

449
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: were up and they figured it out, they were able

450
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: to get everything running. Thirteen is where they had some

451
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: major issues. But twelve had some weird stuff in the

452
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 1: beginning and this was all during the launch sequence. Once

453
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: they lifted off, systems went wonky. So sorry, Why did

454
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: they want to put the thing in the orbit of

455
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know why they wanted to

456
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,479
Speaker 1: do that. I think it was to see if they

457
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: could do it. I'm guessing. I think, yeah, I really

458
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: think that they were just tacking around. I mean, either

459
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: thing either goes and crashes on the Moon or that

460
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: goes just off into space or whatever. Yeah, and they

461
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: control thing. Yeah, let's see if we can launch it,

462
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, and put an orbit around the Moon. Unfortunately,

463
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: it burned too long when they were inventing the gases,

464
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: and it shuttled out of the Moon's gravitational field and disappeared.

465
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: According to the research that I've seen, it was in

466
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: a semi stable orbit around the Earth and the Moon

467
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: for a couple of years until it escaped our orbit

468
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: in seventy one. So here's the easy way to think

469
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: about it. It gets kicked up, it circles us for

470
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: a while, but it's orbits a little off, and then

471
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: eventually it escapes the gravitational poll and then just goes

472
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: and does its own thing in space. But how big

473
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: are those Are they really that big? They're fairly large,

474
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: but big, they're big. Their rocket mean, the thing about

475
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: the rockets you see, you know, all the photos of

476
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: Cape Canaveral when they're launching. That's a big chunk rocket. Yeah,

477
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: it's just just the third stage, so it's the smallest

478
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: part of it. But it's actually but it's also the

479
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: only part of the rocket that achieves escape blascity, so

480
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: it is the only it's the only part of the

481
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: rocket that's going to go in orbit around the Sun

482
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: versus in orbit around the Moon. So scientists think that

483
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: it's it's big enough to actually be this monolithic. Yeah, well, yeah,

484
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: it's if it's ten meters across, it's about thirty feet

485
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: aren't the Aren't those things painted? Yeah, they're painted white

486
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: and black, which there's another interesting fact to it. They're

487
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: white and black. That explains the blinking. Yeah, that would

488
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: the reflectivity of it. Plus, if it's a cylinder, it's

489
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: not going to have a perfect rotation against us, so

490
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: are they They're painted in lines black and white, so

491
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: it would a check. Well, actually that's the stage actually,

492
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a picture of it right now. The

493
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: stage is actually painted pretty much all white, and then

494
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: the bottom there's a cone at the bottom that flares

495
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: out that makes up with the wider second stage, and

496
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: that has painted white with a couple of black stripes.

497
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: So you can see that cone right there that's black

498
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: and white, and then the top of it has got

499
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: a white stripe around it. Also. Yeah, yeah, so I

500
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: guess I could see how like the optical illusion in space,

501
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: if it were like straight vertical lines that you know,

502
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: the black and the white in contrast with each other.

503
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: You know, that's in painting. That's how you make a

504
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: corner like it's a thing. Right, So I guess I

505
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: could see that, But looking at that picture, I don't

506
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: know that it makes a lot of sense for half

507
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: of it to be reflective and half of it to

508
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: not be right. Yeah, but it's also it's also conceivable

509
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: that the mating cone that basically fired in with the rocket,

510
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: the stage below it was wider that thing, that thing

511
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: would be about thirty feet in diameter as white at point,

512
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: and that was painted black and white. So if that,

513
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: if that came, if that came apart, came with it

514
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: off of the rest of the rocket, that would be rough.

515
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: With the size of our objects, it wouldn't be you know.

516
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: But here's my problem. Okay again, I I don't like

517
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: to do this, want to give theories immediately turned around

518
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: and poke holes into it, which I do. But well,

519
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: today's show it was a prime candidate of Steve doing that,

520
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: because here's my problem with the theory that G is

521
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: the fourth the sp four stage of the Saturn five rockets.

522
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: In two thousand two, amateur astronomer Bill Young spotted something

523
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: in space that was moving, and that object is identified

524
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: as Jay zero zero to E three. That object, they

525
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: did a electro magnetics spectrum analysis of it, which again

526
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: that's the science that's beyond me. But what they figured

527
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: out is that it was consistent. That analysis show that

528
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: was consistent with white titanium dioxide, which was the paint

529
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: that was used on the Saturn five rockets. So that's

530
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: object number two that we're saying is the third stage

531
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: of the rocket from Apollo twelve. Well, there's a bunch

532
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: of garbage, like we said before, floating around the Earth

533
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: and around our Solar system. And though not all of

534
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: them wink, there's some things that do and low and behold,

535
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: there's another one. December twenty nine or September twenty nine

536
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: of two thousand. This is two astronomers at the University

537
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: of Hawaii. They find a near Earth object and they

538
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: catalog as two thousand s G three four four uh.

539
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: This particular object was within four million, eight hundred thousand

540
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: miles of Earth, or about twenty times farther out from

541
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: Earth than was but when it got closed, the object

542
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: appeared to be about a hundred to two hundred feet

543
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: in diameter depending on its consistency, because that, you know,

544
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: the brightness is hard to measure. But when they took

545
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: a look at it, they noticed that it wasn't acting

546
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: like an asteroid, so again it was winking. They went ahead,

547
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: and they wentn't They decided, well, as this thing been

548
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: up there if we've seen it for a while now,

549
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: And the scientists did find photos from May of nine

550
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: in their archives and around the same area essentially, and

551
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: they discovered it, and they went ahead and plotted his

552
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: trajectory and figured out that it would have come around

553
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: us approximately in ninety one. And they were saying, they

554
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: say that this particular piece of space junk is also

555
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: the third stage of the Apollo twelve rocket. So why

556
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: is Apollo twelve the you know, the whipping boy of

557
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 1: all these people. It's because we don't know what happened

558
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: to it. It's swing shot it out into space and

559
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: then we lost it, and they don't know where it's hat.

560
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: And so everybody is saying that this, that and the

561
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: other is that piece of rocket. It might be that

562
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: it broke up into a couple of pieces, so it

563
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: might actually be in a couple of different places too.

564
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: But but it's size. Everything that they say is going

565
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: to be this chunk of Saturn five rocket because about

566
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: the same size. So unless it bread in space, since

567
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: you know rocket kit, I don't think it's it. I

568
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: guess yeah, the Hawaii one makes the most sense to me,

569
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: right that it You know, they estimated I probably would

570
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: have been there around seventy one, which is around when

571
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: you know we lost the thing, and yeah, yeah, so

572
00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm hesitant to say that it's Apolodwell too, which

573
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: leads me to our last is it aliens? It is?

574
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: We're finally doing aliens. We're finally doing aliens. We aliens before, Yes,

575
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: we have when well, not in space, but on the

576
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: s Earth we've always all right, So here's here's the

577
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: final theory about what is. There's a bunch of people

578
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: who say that it is something from an alien civilization. Specifically,

579
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: they are saying that it's a brace Well probe. Have

580
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: you ever heard of a brace Well probe? Okay for

581
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: anybody who doesn't know what a brace Well probe is. Essentially,

582
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: the theory goes, and this was first theorized by a

583
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: gentleman by the name of Ronald brace Well in nine sixty,

584
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: and he said that because travel between pieces in the galaxy,

585
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: your places in the galaxy here so long, and it's

586
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: hard to say, and transmissions like radio waves, you could

587
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: send a probe and that probe would be autonomous. It

588
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: would be essentially self sustaining, and it would look for

589
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: what it considered a intelligence species or a planet that

590
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: could possibly have intelligence on it. At some point. Once

591
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: it found that intelligence, it would communicate with that species

592
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: in some way and then alert it's original the species

593
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: that sent it out, and then we can all get

594
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: together and have a galactic chat over our planet. It's

595
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: essentially a more sophisticated voyager. Right, we've done what we

596
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: could at that point. That has all of our information

597
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: on It doesn't bribe broadcasts, right, does it broadcast something? Yeah,

598
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: it broadcasts back to us, so it must be. It

599
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: does send signals back to something you know, So okay,

600
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: but it doesn't you know search. It's not intelligence of

601
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: any kind. It's just it's just a floating probe. We're

602
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: hoping for somebody as to find it. Where is this

603
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: would be looking for somebody and actually, I know you

604
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: Devon will love this. The brace Well probe was the

605
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: basis for the original story that two thousand one of

606
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: Space Honesty was based upon. So that's if you've ever

607
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: seen that movie, that obelisk was a brace Well probe. Yeah,

608
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: that's why. That's why they buried it on the moon,

609
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, because one man is when man is sophisticated

610
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: not to actually go to the moon and actually find

611
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: and dig it up, and then the sun hits it

612
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: and that's when it sends off its little message. Right. Yeah.

613
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: But people say, well, it's a brace Well object, and

614
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: so it's it's circling our planet. Is it's just recently

615
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: found us, and it's waiting for us to come back

616
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: around and be smart enough to communicate with it so

617
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: that it can introduce us to everybody else. You'd say,

618
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: it's waiting for us to be smart enough to go

619
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: fish it out of there, right, send a fishing line

620
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: out there and pull it back in. What's the problem.

621
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the way it works. I don't know. I mean,

622
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: brace Well objects are in sci fi stuff all over

623
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: the place. Every intelligent probe is a brace Well, but

624
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: nobody knows that that actually's gonna happen. Brace Well himself

625
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: just kind of made it up, it's theory. Well, because

626
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: you know artificial intelligence elsewhere in the universe that coexists

627
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: at the same time as we are also intelligent, So

628
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: it's statistic statistic improbability. And yeah, and well, you know

629
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: you're talking a lot of distance and not just set

630
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: but a lot of a lot of objects. To examine

631
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: a lot of solar systems you have to send any

632
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: rear probes to absolutely well, although that's it's not as

633
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: many as we think. As it turns out, they just

634
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: did a study. They call them the Goldilocks planets. Right,

635
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 1: not too hot, not too cold, perfect for life that

636
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: we recognized by our you know, laws of physics and whatever,

637
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: would be able to harbor intelligent life. Right, Earth like

638
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: planets that have what we understand to be the basic

639
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: building blocks of I understand their theories out there about

640
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: there being other types of aliens, but in our galaxy

641
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: there are only a hundred and four planets four so far,

642
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Speaker 1: no like at all that we can identify it. And

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Speaker 1: the Goldilocks zone, correct me if I'm wrong, is planets

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Speaker 1: that are approximately the same distance away from a sun

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Speaker 1: like ours, or are getting the same amount of radiation

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Speaker 1: to quit that distance so that it's a really narrow band.

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Speaker 1: It's a very narrow ribbon around a sun that can

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Speaker 1: hold a planet that we know of. They can hard life, right,

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Speaker 1: So you know, well, I'm curious about is that they've

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Speaker 1: they've found they've identified I think, just to clarify, it

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Speaker 1: sounds like they've identified a hundred four so far, but

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Speaker 1: they haven't. That's not a comprehensive study, correct, Well, I

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Speaker 1: mean they haven't examined the entire galaxy. That it's not

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Speaker 1: based on examination. It's based on calculations. But so that's

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a pretty astensinitely low number, it is,

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Speaker 1: but it's a statistical achieved number, and you know how

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Speaker 1: statistics are. It's hard to say a small pool that

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Speaker 1: you can observe. It would be like saying there are

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Speaker 1: only X number of one bedroom apartments in a thirty

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Speaker 1: block radius in my town, and that means there's only

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Speaker 1: x number total in the city. Right. But so I

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Speaker 1: guess my argument on that is that if we were

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Speaker 1: to send out a probe, we would start with those

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Speaker 1: hundred and four true Goldilocks planets, as would any that

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Speaker 1: would be the criteria that it would be looking, right,

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Speaker 1: So they would send that to something that looked like

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Speaker 1: Earth ostensibly, right, We're just we're making some vast assumptions here,

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Speaker 1: assumptions here. But if there were an alien racy in

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Speaker 1: our galaxy, which you kind of assume, they're probably in

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Speaker 1: our galaxy, right for it to make it here. Maybe not,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's from some completely different galaxy. But let's to

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Speaker 1: say they're in our galaxy. They send it to the

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Speaker 1: similar Goldilocks things. There's only a hundred and four okay,

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Speaker 1: they found It's it's not that long to find life.

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Speaker 1: It's a long distance to travel, and that's what you

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Speaker 1: send a probe, right, yeah, exactly, That's why you send

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Speaker 1: a probe, so you don't go, oh fuck here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but we got here, you know, it fell apart. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean by the time we got here. I gotta

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Speaker 1: say that if they have an industrillar probe that's only

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Speaker 1: about ten meters long, then we have to snag that

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Speaker 1: thing and take a look at it. Oh yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I mean that's you know, with with non technologies,

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Speaker 1: these not technologies that we're exploring now or that we

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Speaker 1: actually have. We we've talked about them. The theory of

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Speaker 1: grabbing stuff out of space yeah, yeah, I'm just talking

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Speaker 1: about an interstellar drive. There's like things like ram jets

688
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Speaker 1: to ram jets that just use random, random hydrogen that

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Speaker 1: exists between the ours, but they tend to be very

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Speaker 1: large structures. So I'd be really interested in something that's

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Speaker 1: that's only ten long, that's capable of interstellar travel. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's some technology we need to get our hands. Yeah kidding.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I I hate to say it, but I

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Speaker 1: think alien. Do you really like this theory? Is? I

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Speaker 1: think the alien theory. I think it's the best theory.

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Speaker 1: And honestly, I'm out of theories. That's the hard part

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Speaker 1: is this is these are all these are the main

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Speaker 1: things that I could come across, you know as generalizations. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, to be honest, I'm waiting honestly,

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Speaker 1: look at like all those theories that you have, what

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Speaker 1: is the most plausible, Like if you just like, okay

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Speaker 1: in your mind, except that aliens exist? Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that from what I can tell in the research, I

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Speaker 1: believe that it's a metallic object that is an engineered object,

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Speaker 1: the meaning that it's not random space rocks. Now, is

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Speaker 1: that engineered objects of junk that we put up that

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Speaker 1: somehow stuck itself together and now has an orbit, or

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Speaker 1: we did or somebody else that I don't know. Here's

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Speaker 1: the thing we're overlooking is Russia. Dude, that country is

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Speaker 1: big enough they could have launched some stuff into orbit

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Speaker 1: without us ever knowing. Very true. Now we would know

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Speaker 1: about I mean we've got we watched their rocket launches

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Speaker 1: pretty carefully. We've been doing it for a long time

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Speaker 1: because of that. There's that whole thing about I CBMs

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So that's what that. That's what

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Speaker 1: those asteroids they keep getting hit with asteroids, they're not asteroids.

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Speaker 1: Their accidental returning spaceships. Yeah, yeah, brewing they're using it

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Speaker 1: to cover ye like, oh something hit here. We don't

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Speaker 1: know what it was. Oh there's no debris. Weird. We

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Speaker 1: definitely didn't watch something instead of hitting. Yeah. Well again,

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Speaker 1: I I personally don't know what it is. But ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, I will encourage you to go to our

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Speaker 1: it's very important, exactly. I understood it so much better

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Speaker 1: once I watch that. So I know we're going to

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