WEBVTT - Shrek with Atsuko Okatsuka 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:03.440 On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:07.160 have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.319 and husbands or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:15.560 in best start changing it with the beck del Cast. 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:22.520 Welcome to the Backdel Cast. My name's Cheney, my name's Caitlin, 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:25.960 and this is becktel Cast, the podcast about how women 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:28.680 are represented in movies. But today it's an episode we've 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:30.840 been waiting for a very long time to do, and 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.120 I'm so excited and it's going to be the best 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:39.320 day ever. It's Shrek Scheck. It's Shrek, but you're excited 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:42.760 about Shrek the musical, not Shrek the movie. I don't 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.360 like Check the movie. I love. I love Shrek the Musical. 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:51.200 It's the best Broadway musical ever committed to Broadway. Broadway Luminaries. 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:57.040 Luminaries Sutton Foster as Princess Fiona, Brian Darcy James as 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.960 Shrek himself. Um, I don't know who any of the 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:04.120 those people are. Your God, I'm very excited for I 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:06.119 have a lot of things to say about Shrek. I'm 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.880 very excited for for today. So so this is our 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:13.160 podcast about the Betel Test. Though, Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:15.440 If you don't know what that is, hey, i'll tell you. 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.039 Is it test you apply it to a movie or whatever. 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.880 It requires that there are two female characters with names 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:25.160 they talk to each other about anything other than a 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:28.880 man most movies. Spoiler, this movie does not do everyone 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.120 does not do very well at all in terms. But 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:35.319 the musical does better? Oh does it? Yes? Interesting? Shrek 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:39.480 the Musical is essentially just a way more dramatic version 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.280 of Shrek the movie. It's actually better because there's more 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:45.560 emotional depth. There's songs that sound like they could be 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.960 sung by Bon Jovi perhaps, but are instead being sung 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:54.200 by Shrek, which is like wild, it's crazy. Well, I'm 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:58.160 fascinated to see where this discussion goes. I'm so Excitedly, 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.400 I'm so excited. Let's introduced our guests before we get 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:05.440 much further. She's a comedian. She is the co founder 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:11.720 of Disoriented Comedy at scoot SKA. Welcome, Hi, Hi, thank 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:13.799 you for having me, Thank you so much for being here, 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:17.000 for pitching Trek. For some reason, it spoke to me. 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:20.919 That's amazing. Yeah, So what's your what's your personal history 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.639 of with Shrek? When did you first see the movie. Gosh, 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:29.880 I guess when when it first came out? Right, So one, two, one, yeah, 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:31.960 I guess. So it's crazy that Shrek has been in 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:35.480 our lives for this long sixteen years and honestly feels 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:40.399 like longer. I don't remember life before Shrek. There's part 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:42.720 two and it is, there are three, there's a three 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:47.200 and maybe all and a five in production. Gang and 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.400 Little did anyone in this room now a Broadway musical 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.880 that ran for four years. I knew about the musical. 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.840 I've seen like pictures of it, and just the aesthetic 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.000 of like Shrek and his makeup. I was like, oh, 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.880 I never want to see that. It's very scary. There's 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.919 a full taping of the Broadway production on Netflix. It's 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:06.840 been there for years. I'm pretty sure I'm the only 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.720 person who's ever watched it. But you can see Sutton 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:16.239 Foster really really humiliate herself and and she's in She's 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.320 in a show with Hilary Duff right now, so it's like, 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.799 you know, she's not afraid to do things that are 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.880 maybe a little embarrassing, but her playing Princess Fiona is 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:25.800 like man. And she got nominated for a Tony so 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.760 ups to Sutton Foster. Yeah, this was a This was 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:32.160 a very popular, successful musical in spite of the fact 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.800 that it was Shrek the musical and very scary to 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:38.760 look at. Well, Shrek the movie was enormously popular. Yes, 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.840 but the people dress, but people dressed a Shrek should 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.960 not have worked out. No, it's and if you look 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.200 at it, you're like, there's no, this is very scary. 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:52.200 It's the makeup scary. It's it's just like, we'll put 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.080 this in just like the green I mean, he's got 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.120 like big baldest head and like it's little ears on it. 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:01.480 It's a lot, which is what you said is great 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.560 because that is the theme of Shrek. Right, Oh wow, okay, yeah, 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:08.920 so they do Shrek in the movie. Yeah, they do. Okay, 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:12.080 there's no there's no compromise. Arguably, maybe they're kind have 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.320 been a little compromise, but I mean, I guess if 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.359 you're trying to get kids to go to it. But yeah, 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.600 and the whole point is, like, you know, it's not 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.200 what's on the outside, right, right, that's the of the story. 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.320 But with the cameras that close, and it's a it's 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.160 a Broadway musical, so you're not meant to be as 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.279 close as you can see them in the Netflix special, 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.920 because you can see just Brian Darcy James sweating through 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:34.640 his Shrek was given in a hundred time percent and 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.440 that's why he gets nominated for Tony's Yeah, because I'm 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.000 pretty sure Ogre's don't have pores, you know, and so 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.040 you can't for the realism of it. Yeah, the animated 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:48.080 Shrek seems very slick, right, Yeah, he's got hair, follicles, 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.320 he's got pores. Yeah. Well the Shrek, the Shrek of 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:56.280 the books is riddled with facial acne not And I'm 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.480 not shaming Shrek. I'm just saying I have a visual 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:04.599 of Shrek looking into wiping sweat off. Well, there's he's 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:09.680 got blackheads. He's got hair too. Yeah, yes, yes, I can. 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.440 I can relate. There's an opening scene, like the opening 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.560 credits in the movie. There's a like a whole montage 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.520 and Shrek is like getting a mud shower basically in 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:20.599 one of the shots, and you like turns around, you 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.080 see his nipples, you see his chest hair, he's got like, 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.520 oh he does have chest. I didn't remember that. I 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.279 just remember the mud blas. Yeah, I was looking for 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:33.240 the finer details. Human is he? Yeah, you know, he's 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.240 just like us. So you've just seen the first one? Yes, 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.680 I have only seen the first one. Yeah, I totally 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.120 the second one he has kids or something. The third 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.080 one he has kids. The second one is about him 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:48.919 meeting Fiona's parents. I own Shrek two on DVD. Brag 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.160 you see. Aristotle and I were trying to figure out 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.800 the difference between three and four. I don't think I 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:57.920 went as far. I've seen the third one. I haven't 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:00.320 seen the fourth one. See, we've seen the four one, 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.120 but neither of us. Have you even't seen the fourth one? 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.960 I'm sorry. I just made her will seem like more 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:09.280 of a freak than he actually is. I've seen one 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:13.080 to four in the musical a million times. I have 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:17.039 not seen three. So what's your personal experience? I saw 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:21.039 Shrek one in the theater the theater, the theater, not 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:26.520 the musical staj theater, just the movie theater. And but yeah, 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:30.000 I've seen Shrek probably a dozen times, quite a few times. 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.360 I've seen this movie a lot. What about you? Well, 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.400 this is one of my first of all, I'm sorry 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.400 in advance, but this is one of the few chances 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:41.880 I have on the podcast to shine in terms of 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.760 having knowledge of a movie, because usually I'll say I 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:48.200 watched it an hour ago, but this time I get 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.880 to say I have a grand history of the Shrek. 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:53.719 I did not see it in the theaters, but I 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:57.120 did see it. I've seen it many times. I got 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.880 very interested in the musical after being very afraid of 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.719 it when I watched it in college on Netflix. I 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:07.279 have since seen Shrek the Musical over ten times. I've 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.120 written quite a bit about it. I've sold my own 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:13.640 Shrek nudes on the Internet and raised three thousand dollars 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:17.160 for Planned Parenthood, and described for the listeners at home 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.280 who may not be familiar with your Shrek nudes, what 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:21.440 exactly do you mean by that? When I say my 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.400 Shrek nudes, I mean I'm painted myself green and took 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.560 a bunch of nudes and then seldom on the world 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:31.360 Wide Web, even though that wasn't their original purpose. Um, 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.440 therefore the next one. But I recycled them and uh 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.760 and and sold them for one of them many times 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.800 the government was trying to defund Plan Parenthood. This is 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.200 about two years ago. It seems to happen every month 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.080 so yeah, it was are one of those times. Unfortunately 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.080 we didn't say them with Shrek nudes, as I was 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.440 hoping we would. But I've seen Shrek the Musical over 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:55.480 ten times in three states, and I write about it 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:59.000 about once a year, and it is become an important 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:02.280 part of my life. And how similar is the musical 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:06.840 to the first movie? I would say that, I mean, 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:09.800 it's the same story, but the way it's told is 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:13.080 very different. You learned aiming, even on a bass level. 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.120 You learn way more about Shrek as a character, and 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:20.640 you get more about his background and the first scene 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:23.160 of the musical than you get in the entire movie. 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:27.320 So yeah, we don't get much Shrek backstory you're doing later. 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.880 But yeah, in the in the musical, the first scene 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.880 is Little Shrek, which is always fun to see in 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.679 the musical because you see a young usually a young 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:41.080 husky boy, dressed as Shrek and his parents are singing 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:44.640 to him about how ogres have to be very tough 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.560 and they're hated by society and you have to be 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:48.640 really tough. And then I kick him out of the 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.400 house when he's seven years old to go and brave 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.439 the world himself. So automatically, you're like, man, Shrek's had 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.440 a hard life, whereas the movie is just sort of 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:01.600 like some funny ones and now and you don't find 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:08.240 out anything smash Mouth got about that sounds true. It 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:12.120 does not age. Well, here's something fun in strict the musical, 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:17.080 it still ends with smash mouths and they take their bows. 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.760 It's great, like they just got the right smash Mouth 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.160 was like, yeah, you can have that. Yeah, I mean 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:28.040 smash Mother. I'm guessing they need to check sometimes here 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:32.680 at like Ross Yeah, yeah, and that songs a cover anyways, 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.000 Like that song is not smash Moth song. It's like 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.480 some sixty All Stars. There's a star is a smash Mouth, 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.320 the smash mouth a ridge. My favorite memorial tweet for 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.280 nine eleven every year is the smash Mouth one where 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:50.400 smash Mouth posts the same weird tweet every year of 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.600 like smash Mouth remembers nine eleven and it just has 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:57.760 a visual of those words and then like the silhouette 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:01.480 of the twin. I was like, why you like what bizarre? 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.480 The most bizarro tribute to nine eleven you'll find every 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:09.920 single year for like as long as Twitter has existed. Okay, well, 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:18.960 they're smash smash mouth, smash mouth. Let's do the recap. 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:24.480 Let's do it. Shrek is about an ogre named Shrek. 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.880 He's stinky, he loves mud. He just wants to be 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.080 left alone, and he lives in It's like I don't know, 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:37.640 Middle Ages whatever, like European my swamp kingdom thing, and 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:41.679 all these fairytale creatures get dumped on his swamp lawn 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.280 and he's like, wait a minute. But before that, he 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:49.400 meets Donkey, and Donkey is a talking donkey because Lord 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.960 far Quad is trying to round up all the fairytale creatures, 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.480 so he's like paying people to get rid of them 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:59.920 because he wants his perfect white kingdom without any growth 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.560 fairytale creatures. So all these people, all these fairytale creatures 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:05.480 end up on Shrek's thing, and he's like, I'm gonna 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.559 go talk to this Lord far Quad. Meanwhile, Lord far 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.240 Quad is trying to be a king. In order to 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:13.280 do that, he has to marry a princess. But the 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:17.160 funny thing is he's short. He's short, he's hilarious, he's short, 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.439 and so therefore he's a little Napoleon, right. I wonder 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:24.240 if that is like a poke at Disney for having 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:28.520 like all like the short Daddies, well this whole movie 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.240 at Disney to the point where it's like why does 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:36.160 it exist? But we'll get there. But so Shrek's like, hey, 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.200 far Quad, get your ship off my land, and he's like, 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.720 go rescue a princess for me so I can be 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:46.560 king and marry her. So Shrek goes and rescues Princess Fiona. 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.920 She's locked on the highest tower of the tallest room 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.120 of the whatever. Another person who's too good to be 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:55.880 in this movie Cameron Diaz. I don't care much for 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.400 Cameron Dia. I don't either, but she's still too good 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:08.040 for this movie. She's got so hot critique. So he 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.560 goes to rest he and Donkey, who are friends at 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:12.480 this point, even though he's like, I don't like friends. 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.000 I don't have any friends. They go to rescue Princess 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:19.480 Fiona and she's like, wait a minute, you're an ogre gross. 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:23.000 I hate ogre's. I need to be rescued by my 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.000 true love so I can have true love's first kiss. 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:27.560 And they're like, why is that so important to you? 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:31.240 And then we find out it's because a spell had 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.720 been cast on her and she turns into an ogre 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.760 every night. But she and Shrek are like kind of 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:42.240 started to dig their vibing, vibing. They're lamping and they're vibing. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.160 They're lamping together and they're starting to kind of vibe 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.560 a little bit. So the Donkeys like hey, and Donkey 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:52.120 discovers her secret. She keeps like best songs in the 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:57.080 musical song by Donkey, Yes, song by Donkey, when Shrek 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.120 and Fiona are vibing, so Brian, Darcy, James and and 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.280 Foster like we're sharing squirrel meat or whatever they're eating. 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:06.679 And then Donkey sings this whole song called Mega Move 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:15.720 and it's a funky like but he's like, make a move. 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.520 And then he brings in the three blind mice and 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.640 they do a solo and they're like these hot but 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.959 they're hot blind ladies. In this version, it's super fun. 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:27.280 It's a blast top to bottom. You gotta love it 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.959 all right. That's part of where the musical passes the 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.400 Bectel test. The three blind mice talk to each other 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:36.920 because they're all women, yeah I know, not all blind mice. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:45.640 So Shrek and Fiona their vibe in but he overhears 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:50.720 this conversation between Donkey and Fiona where she's revealing that, oh, 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:52.959 I'm an ugly ogre and I can't be this way 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:54.600 and I have to marry Lord Farquad so I can 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.280 be a beautiful, hot human lady the rest of my 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:00.760 life to lift the curse as one does. And Shrek 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:04.400 misinterprets this and things that she's talking about Shrek and 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.880 being like, who would love an ugly beast like an ogre? 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.640 So he gets all piste off and he like sells 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.480 her to Lord far Quad. Basically, this is where the 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:16.400 act one break in the musical is, and it's that's 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:17.920 the act one because that's that's like the end of 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.360 the movie almost, I know, I know, well, I mean 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:25.160 act one break is is more than halfway. But accidents 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:31.239 in theaters, I was thinking three act structure like screenplays. 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.760 I do have a master screen scream, so it makes 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.800 sense that he would think that. Um no, but in 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.840 terms of act one intermission act um so act one 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.600 is usually longer. But um yeah, there's this beautiful three 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.480 part of harmony. I've performed it at many a karaoke 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:50.360 with Shrek, Donkey and Fionna singing it's the song about 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.680 who I'd be. Shrek is singing about how he wants 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.560 to be a Viking. Donkey is thinking about how he 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.480 fears he's going to be alone for the rest of 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:02.040 his live Donkey if Toe saying about how her feminine 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.560 illusions are falling apart. It's a It's a beautiful go 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:09.000 see the musical. It's aid almost every junior high at 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:12.840 this point. It's off Broadway every junior high. I saw 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.880 it at Malibu Junior High last year, and it was bad. 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.280 It sounds like an expensive production to pull off, especially 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:23.840 for high school. Well that's yes, and there it's it's 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:28.520 this huge puppet that has two songs. Yeah, so that's 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:32.000 another place where it passes um. But anyways, so you 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:33.640 can you you sort of have to drive out to 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.800 wealthy I had to drive to Malibu because they can 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:41.600 afford to put on Shrek Junior right, but worth the trip. 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:45.640 Don't regret it. Glad to hear it. Yeah, So Fiona 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:49.000 goes off and there she's about to marry Lord far Quad, 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.840 and Donkeys like, Shrek, you fucking idiot. She likes you, 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:55.000 and he's like what okay, and then he goes and 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:58.200 storms the wedding and he's like, wait a minute, stop, 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.440 I love you. And then they Shrek and Fianna kiss 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:06.280 and she thinks it's lifting the spell. But because her 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.040 true love is Shrek and she takes true love's form, 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.840 she stays as an ogre and isn't a human anymore. 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.000 And she's like, I thought I wouldn't be mutiful and 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:17.280 he's like, you are mutiful, and then they get married 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:22.440 in the end hashtag relationship goals, and it's suddenly the 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:25.840 whole town is not scared of ogres anymore, right because 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:32.560 of feminist icon trac. Yeah, they were like it's time. Yeah. Yeah, 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:36.520 Well here's something that is bizarre. I mean, there's so 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:41.000 there's this movie like Baseline totally pointless, shouldn't exist, but 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:47.240 Lord Farquad's character is basically trying to like purify, you know, 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:51.920 like Hitler style, trying to purify the kingdom by marginalizing 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:56.480 anyone who is not human basically right and and created 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.360 by humans. Yeah, you know, it's I mean, it's kind 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:03.880 of it is kind of like gentrification or yeah, yeah, 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:08.639 forcing that like humans who have power made these rules, 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.800 human beings, made up fairy tales and then to suddenly 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.160 be like, no, no longer, you get ready get out 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:20.840 of here, which which yeah, these like imagination the Steak, 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.359 we don't see that, which again I don't think totally. Yeah, 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.320 So you go to the swamp where we fear another 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.920 creature that we made up oker, you know, right, and 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.040 that's where you will be forced to stay, which you know, 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:35.719 there were no borders, so I don't know how that 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.600 was going to work. They basically all say like, go 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.840 to Shrek's house. Yeah, forced people out. They're like, oh, 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.960 Shrek has a house, go there, and then everyone's which 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:48.119 is another fun. All the Fairytale creatures have two numbers 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.880 in the musical, one and I one one to let 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:55.320 your freak Flag fly. Very inspiring. Okay, I guess I 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.560 gotta watch THEA was nominated for a Tony Kate what 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.600 I know. He could hit the high notes. He he 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:09.240 was on the ones that do. He's great. Pinocchio. We've 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.560 got next yeah, next, next spring season, We're gonna go. 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.920 It'll be a trip. It's I'm busy that day. Listen. 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:20.320 It's fun. It's a blast. So we're here to talk 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:24.440 about mostly the movie, although feel free to I will 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:29.960 continue to interject but thank you for. One of the 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.119 things about the movie is that there's pretty much only 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:37.560 one female character. You could argue that the dragon is female, 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.479 but that dragon doesn't have any lines and it's a dragon. 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:47.080 So there's essentially only one female character. Okay, in the movie, 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.080 there's one, and she's Fiona. There's a few other one 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.199 there's like you see some like fairy godmothers in like 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:53.840 a witch and stuff like that, but they usually don't 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:57.920 have lines, so there's really only primary right, So there's 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.879 one primary female character, Fiona. Uh. Immediately, she's framed as 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:05.720 like a damsel in distress, so she has to be saved, 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:10.399 she has to be rescued, so the trope stands strong dance. 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:14.199 They I mean, they subverted to an extent to the 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.639 point where it might be uncomfortable for people, not to 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.560 the point where she's the dominant one in the relationship. 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.600 But this, I mean, this whole movie is based on like, oh, 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:29.320 it's post modern fairy tales, which is grow up whatever, 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.680 like dumb, but yeah, I don't know, right, I mean, 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.280 this movie does a lot to sort of subvert the 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:39.840 tropes of fairy tales, mostly in a very obnoxious, egregious 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:41.720 way totally. But at the end of the day, the 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:43.960 movie is still about like a woman needing to be 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:47.400 saved by a man via being kissed by her one 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.760 true love to break this enchantment. It's like one very 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:57.280 heteronormative no surprise there, and too why Okay, So later 0:19:57.320 --> 0:19:59.879 in the movie we see a scene where Robin Hood 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:02.720 comes and like tries to take her away and rescue 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:04.720 her again, and then she beats the show out of 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.200 him and all the merry men. If she's capable of that, 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:12.600 why didn't she just save herself from being in the 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:16.560 tower kick the Dragon's ask herself go to the witch's 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.920 house who put the spell on her in the first place, 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:23.560 and be like, fucking undo this, you ask whole Well, 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.280 in theory, she was like beholden by the belief right 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.159 that she had that this is what had to happen. 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:33.760 But that's not well, it was never established. Well, maybe 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:36.600 she thinks that she has to be rescued, but when 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:39.440 she's describing the nature of the spell to Donkey, all 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.000 she says is I need to kiss my one true love. 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:48.800 So like, it's not clear why love she could have 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:53.000 been active and not insanely fucking passive, got it right, Well, 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:57.919 there's that problem with you. There is the problem that 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:03.680 Shrek and Donkey and this entire movie don't respect women. 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:08.480 Here are some examples, different comments that Shrek makes snow 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:10.359 white ends up on his table and he's like dead 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:16.120 broad off the table rack. It's the moment where they're 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:19.480 entering the castle where the dragon lives. Donkeys like, so, 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:22.000 where is this fire breathing pain in the neck anyway? 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:25.440 And Shrek said inside waiting for us to rescue her 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:33.080 feminist icon miss disappointing that quick one. Yeah, that's why 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:35.280 I watched these movies eight thousand times and pick up 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:39.600 all the stuff. Musical Shrek way less misogynical, were insecure, 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:43.320 Oh that would be appropriate and a little bit jittering, 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:45.520 and it's just like, yeah, to talk to girls. But 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:49.680 in the movie, Shrek is constantly terrible, pushing her away, 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:53.720 tossing her, throwing her, like a lot of physical violence. 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.320 There's at least one point where he slams her down 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.679 on the ground as like shut up. Yeah, it happens 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:02.800 a lot in the movie. Oh Um, there's a moment 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:05.679 when Donkey is telling Shrek to like wait till the 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:09.080 right moment to crash the wedding basically, and he's like, 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:12.800 chicks love that romantic crap. So just putting us all 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:15.640 on a box, which is weird because he's been living 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:19.760 alone for so long to know these even how he 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:24.399 knows dating and chicks. And if he had been kicked 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.000 out at seven as well, and I've been living in 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:29.400 that and just been hanging out with mud and slugs 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:32.399 and stuff, I don't know how he would know that, right, Yeah, 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:35.000 that's true. Well I don't know. Maybe well, first of all, 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:40.280 maybe seven in like older years is like maybe he's 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.040 actually twenty five when he got kicked out. Sure, yeah, 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:47.119 so his dad treated his mom right, But but that's 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:51.720 not but that's not cannon to the movie. It's okay, 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:55.440 yes I have. But in there I think I feel 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:58.119 like in later Shrek movies, which I don't remember, is 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:01.679 clearly that they address his background at some point. And 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:03.840 maybe that's where the musical drew it from. Because the 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:07.160 musical was released in oh eight. Maybe it was also 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:09.760 all adapted from a book, or at least the first 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:13.080 a wonderful book by William Steeg, who's a great New 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:17.439 Yorker cartoonist. And I recommend the original, where Shrek is 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:21.119 kind of just a villain who's forced to look at 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:24.720 himself in a very existential way. Thus my favorite illustration 0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:27.760 from the book, which is Shrek the Illustrated Trek in 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:30.240 a hall of mirrors looking back at a thousand tracks, 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:36.720