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Speaker 1: big spot. Welcome back to another edition of the Around

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling and Greg Rosatal. What's up, boys? Hey Dan?

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Speaker 1: All right, big announcement by the way, big news. I've

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Speaker 1: know what, we hit a certain milestone today is our

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Speaker 1: five hundredth episode. What a party, buddy. You made the

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Speaker 1: Thankfully the subreddit reminded us that this is episode five fighting.

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Speaker 1: to hear what it sounded like our first ever episode July.

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Speaker 1: H Welcome to another edition of the Around the League Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis, and I'm joined by Greg

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Speaker 1: Rosenthal and Mark Sessler. Colleagues. You'll notice that we didn't

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition to the Around the League Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan hansis room full of heroes here

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Speaker 1: Chris Wesley and Mark Setler and Greg Rosenthal our boss. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: how are you today? Is this the first time all

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Speaker 1: and well, we'll keep you updated if the Shadowy League

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Speaker 1: twelve ten when and speaking of backing in, it allowed

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Speaker 1: the Houston Texans to move to nine and six. Uh

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Speaker 1: And when the a f C South, a game in

429
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: which uh um Greg rosenfelt Tom Savage maybe didn't light

430
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: up the field like we were hoping to make Houston exciting.

431
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 1: He he didn't. And what what a fitting way for

432
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 1: this lousy division to be won on a Randy Bullock

433
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 1: miss kick. You know, Tom Savage did something, did lead

434
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: them to three scoring drives in the second half when

435
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 1: they absolutely needed they were okay in the second half

436
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: when they went to a hurry up. He didn't show

437
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: a lot, but he also didn't make big time mistakes.

438
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: You didn't see crazy bad throws. You didn't see interceptions

439
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 1: and fumbles. This is a defense first team, and you

440
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: know Alfred Blue running into the line. You know, two

441
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: yard game, two yard game. Then it's third and six

442
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 1: every time. It's a terrible team to watch. I wish

443
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: they didn't make the play, but I still give Savage

444
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: some hope. Well, nic, Greg, what do you what? You

445
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: what You're gonna give up on them because of one

446
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: way by play? Guy Sunday night night, what happens to

447
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: get the cavalcade of sounds from every microphone down It

448
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: was it actually branded Sunday Night Football. It was that

449
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: are we throwing the flag on Sydney? There? Wait this

450
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: it happened on Saturday. No, it was this Saturday. This

451
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: was this was Thursday Night Football on Saturday. Yeah. Well,

452
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: I give the I give their play by player some

453
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Speaker 1: amount of credit for feigning excitement that the Texans have

454
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: won any sort of Okay, so I'm supposed to tell

455
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: you that this is a fantastic team to shuttle in

456
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: what they're excited Jenavian Clowney, Whitney merciless. You know that

457
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: It sound like the Brian guy who got shouted down

458
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: in the press commerce by Bill O'Brien. Listen, Brian, we

459
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: won the division. We won the division, Brian, And you

460
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: know what you can you can say you did and

461
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: that's that's good for you. And you're going to be

462
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: ejector seated out of the playoffs as quickly as possible,

463
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: just like last year. Most likely, most likely, but you know,

464
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Speaker 1: I think and it was a kind of a fitting

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00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: end to a Cincinnati season that was kind of they

466
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,719
Speaker 1: always found a way to lose games, and and at

467
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: five nine and one, that's exactly what their record should be.

468
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: I think Houston. Yeah, I can't make I do feel

469
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Speaker 1: like at some point Marvin Lewis, when he realized this

470
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: year was was out of scope for them, dialed up

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00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien and just said, you take it from here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when when is Marvin Lewis or his entire

473
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Speaker 1: coaching tree gonna learn don't run up the middle with

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Speaker 1: forty five seconds left to set up like long field

475
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: goals for their lousy field goal ticker kickers. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: even even my drops are interrupted by Greg It's been

477
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: happening for ten years. Texans crappy quarterbacks owned the Cincinnati Bengals.

478
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: They have for years, starting with t J, Yate, Matt Shop,

479
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: all of them owned the Bengals. There was a there's

480
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: a headline after this game. I know, we gotta move

481
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: on where it said, you know Texans still don't know

482
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: what they have in Tom Savage. Well yeah, no, no, no, no,

483
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Of course they don't know

484
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: what they have. They wouldn't know what they had if

485
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: he played well or not. I think he's shown a

486
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: little something. I do like to making this point emphatically

487
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: with a with a multicolored lollipop in his hand it's

488
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: very hard to take seriously. Um. And by the way,

489
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 1: West you for many years, West of Us was Cincinnati's

490
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: first playoff loss, uh, first round playoff loss. You've you've

491
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: tinkered with the idea of making Houston, uh that that pick.

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Speaker 1: This year, you can have a little fun with the

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Speaker 1: Texans playoff Texans go out. No, I'm not. I'm not

494
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: gonna allow that staying on my holiday, Okay the Texans? No,

495
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: all right, bro, No, this is a Cincinnati thing. Let's

496
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: move on to Christmas night and not a merry Christmas

497
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: for the defending champions. Transitions gets two blocks at the

498
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: forty four five touching back and tankle tackle miss five touchdown,

499
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: selling new yard run Tyreek Hill touchdown, Kansas City. Rudolph

500
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: the Red Nose Reindeer with hut propulsion Mitch hold us

501
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: kse f X. Let's put that Sydney in the running

502
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,959
Speaker 1: for the Oh yeah, it's topical. It had a little fun,

503
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 1: little mirth. I mean, that was the worst Carlson's trauma.

504
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: It was no, no, no, I'm I'm with Dan on

505
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: this one. And the man had nothing to do with

506
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: Rudolf the Red Nose Reindeers. Alright here we go. It's

507
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: about me. Tyreek Hill went nuts again a seventy yard

508
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: touchdown run and then you got, oh, look at this

509
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey an eight yard touchdown catch. The Denver Broncos

510
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: can't stop anybody on the ground, giving up two and

511
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: thirty yards two hundred thirty eight yards of rushing in

512
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: a thirty three ten beat down that ends their season. Ever,

513
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: Broncos go from Super Bowl champions to add of the

514
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: playoffs at eight and seven, one of the big disappointments

515
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: of the year. And Mark Sessler, uh is this? I

516
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: mean we've been saying this, I feel like for fourteen

517
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: months now. What an't we gonna start respecting the Chiefs.

518
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: This was a desperate champion on the ropes and they

519
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: said forget you. You're done. Yeah, I mean outside of

520
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: being a a second game on Christmas that compelled my

521
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: four year old to come up to me and say,

522
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: just go to your office. It was a very rough moment.

523
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: He seems to understand with that tone of voice too,

524
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: I feel like Colton is a nicer guy than Colton

525
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: had a little bite to him at that point. But

526
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: I will just go to the office already. Yes, I

527
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: I could not help but watch this and say that

528
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: many of my previous um you know, slashes at the Chiefs,

529
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: so that, yeah, you're gonna win games nineteen to seventeen,

530
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna be hard on the eyes, and you're gonna

531
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: get taken out by some team on the road in

532
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: the playoffs if they were ever able to achieve home

533
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: like a buy into and to grab that and maybe

534
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: go into New England. With the way that their offense

535
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: is playing at this point, much of the critique that

536
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: I had of the Kansas City Chiefs has evaporated. Their

537
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: fun to watch that field, That stadium was utterly on

538
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: fire that night, and they show that they can be explosive. Well,

539
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: I think Tyreek Hill is a guy who flips the

540
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: field and can do that in any game you can.

541
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: You can be playing a close game and all of

542
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: a sudden he takes one to the house. But also,

543
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey has emerged as probably the best tight end

544
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: in the NFL without Gronk. He has more yards, have

545
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: double more yards after to catch than any other tight end.

546
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: And also this is just a great matchup for him.

547
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: The Broncos have no one who can cover Travis. I

548
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: mean the Chiefs swept the Broncos and the Raiders, and

549
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: a few of those games were convincing. I mean that

550
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: that's pretty impressive. Their formula is not too different than

551
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: the Patriots, really, especially the Patriots volt turnover margin. Uh,

552
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: starting with that situational football, some a few explore some

553
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: plays mixed in. This was a game to put up

554
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 1: four hundred and eighty four yards. I'm not surprised they

555
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: the defense played well, but to put up four and

556
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: eighty four yards on Denver is it's hard to It's

557
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: almost hard to believe that they pulled up. I mean,

558
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: I wonder too if it's part of what's happening with

559
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: Denver's defense this late in the year. They were that

560
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: that seamless transition from the Super Bowl defense to this

561
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: year's young, early season version. But to crumble under the

562
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: weight of an offense to can't just can't stay on

563
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: the field, You can't run the ball and and sustain

564
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: drives and eat up the clock that your defenses keep

565
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: doing it over and over. And when you're on the

566
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: road and you're dealing with and more explosive Chiefs team

567
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: than they're used to, the floor starts to fall out.

568
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: West do you recall it. You know, I went down

569
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: and did my studies, finding my findings on defending all

570
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: time defenses. You can't you don't run it back. These

571
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: teams don't run it back. That they were not capable

572
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: of it. And Leek Jackson, Uh, that's a major issue

573
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: that they weren't able to plug in and John Elway

574
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: has worked to do. Let's face it. I mean we

575
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: can get into the Denver situation down which you love

576
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: their defense, there was any better or worse than they

577
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: were in the regular season last year. This was ant rushing.

578
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: They're pretty bad run defense, but overall there the top

579
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: past defense in the league. If if their offense was competent.

580
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: And Simeon, who we've liked, he he caved in a

581
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: little bit the last few weeks under the weight of

582
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: all the people around. I think all these a f

583
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: C West quarterbacks to go into Kansas City find out

584
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: this is the toughest place to play. I know you

585
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 1: guys love Trevor Simeon, but you can't totally let him

586
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: off the hook. Now. The last these have been some

587
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: terrible but you cannot You also can't judge him when

588
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: he's got no offensive line and no running game. No.

589
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: I mean that's why personnel Maistro has got work to do. Yeah.

590
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: I also think that they found someone that if he's

591
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: not on Denver's roster, Trevor Simeon is going to be

592
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: in the league for another decade. And it won't I'm

593
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: not saying a starter, but but he's been well developed,

594
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: and I think what what we say watching his games

595
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: is that he's he's been surprisingly good. Have you been

596
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: watching Game of Thrones over the holidays? No? I actually

597
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: distanced myself from that show, so I watched it in

598
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: real time, and then every episode ends, I say, I

599
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: hate the show. It was, Paul, the way you threw

600
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: in the mastro there. I thought maybe it was like

601
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: a vestige of your maybe your Game of Thrones watching.

602
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: All right, let's check out the other game on Christmas,

603
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: this one in Pittsburgh and another division deciders trailing by

604
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: three second and goal at the four. He's back, he pumps,

605
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: throws it over the middle of the pass, he got

606
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: starts Putsburgh that seconds left to throttles himself across. Let's sick.

607
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: You gotta be kidding me. That's Bill Hillgrove and touch

608
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: Ilkin of w d v Antonio Brown's touchdown with seconds

609
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: to play decided this game, and it was his JA

610
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: Magazine gets because if he gets brought down at the

611
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: goal line, the Steelers probably run out of time and

612
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: they lose the game. And we have the Ravens and

613
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: Steelers going into Weeks seventeen tied. But because Antonio Brownie said,

614
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: that's why do those extra reps reached over the goal line?

615
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: Touchdown thirty seven final? The Steelers. Oh, we locked it up.

616
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: I locked it up. Here's another lollipop I get. Yeah,

617
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: he deserve a second one. That means we went four

618
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: for four here or for four for the second time.

619
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: We are on fire as a group, and I believe

620
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: eleven out of our last twelve. Little delay gratification there, Well,

621
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: that's good, that's good. It's kind of like saving a present,

622
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, for a few days after Christmas, you'll appreciate

623
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: it more. Parallel, So, another great game and what is

624
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: one of the better rivalries and football and the Ravens

625
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: um Chris Westling just could not close the deal to

626
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: get this thing to Week seventeen. If you go back

627
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: to the days of Bobby Lane and Johnny Unitus with

628
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: the start of great quarterback play in two minute drills,

629
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: every executive, every coach in the league from nineteen sixty

630
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: through now, we'll tell you the quarterbacks are ultimately judged

631
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: on third downs, red zone and close in late situations.

632
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: And I think Ben Roethlisberger pushes puts as much of

633
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: a scare into defenses as any coach or any quarterback

634
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: in the league in those situations. He has more game

635
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: winning drives in any quarterback since he entered the league

636
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: in two thousand four. And you saw that magic there

637
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: with three touchdowns in the fourth quarter against a very

638
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: good defense. I think also by the fact that he's

639
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: done it so much that they cut away to him

640
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 1: on the sideline as the Ravens were driving and scoring.

641
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: You know, you go to younger quarterbacks and you can

642
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: see the fear slash concerns slash mystery in their eyes.

643
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: With Big Bennett was like, we've done this, We'll do

644
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: it again. I certainly have a better offense than I've

645
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: ever been with Before you could even hear him Bill

646
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: Hillgrove's voice, These Steelers have been through all the wars

647
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: and there's not gonna be any panic and and this

648
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: game I'd have a hard time imagining Ben Roethlisberger has

649
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: had a more magical fourth quarter in his life. This

650
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: to me, was the best game of the entire season.

651
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: I was thinking that midway through the third quarter and

652
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: it was still ugly because it just felt like a

653
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: playoff game, and the hitting and the drama and the

654
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: tension was there. And then the fourth quarter was obviously wild.

655
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: I mean, after he threw the second interception, it was good, uh,

656
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: complimentary football. They immediately stopped the Ravens. You know, the

657
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: Steelers defense was not bad in this game. They stopped

658
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: the Ravens. The Steelers next three drives five plays, seventy

659
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 1: five yards touchdowns two and a half minutes, a ninety

660
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: yard drive in two and a half minutes, and then

661
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: a seventy five yard touchdown drive in a minute against

662
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: what we thought was one of the best defenses in

663
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: the league. I mean, the Ravens defense had this division

664
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 1: in their hands and they basically just just gave it away.

665
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: They were no matter. You could throw some of that

666
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: best offense, best defense out the window when these two

667
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: teams play. Because yes, it pains me as a a

668
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: Browns fan to say it, but to me, this is

669
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: the number one rivalry in the NFL. It delivers every time,

670
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: and I agree the great best game of the year

671
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: Dallas Pittsburgh was close, but this was there was more

672
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: at stake and it felt like a playoff game. You

673
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: hear people say all the time that you judge a

674
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: successful draft class if they have three starters come out

675
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: of that class. The Steelers first three draft picks of

676
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: two thousand six team already three of the most important

677
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: players on their defense already burned Sean Davis and Javon

678
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: Hargrave at nose tackle. Javar and Hardgrave has been one

679
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: of their best players on defense in the second half

680
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: of the season, and I mean well, I would say

681
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: Baltimore has to be given a similar grade though, for

682
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: drafting the beginnings of another great defense. And the only

683
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: shame for the Ravens is we finally saw this team

684
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: achieved balance on offense, a good game, and now they're gone.

685
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: I would take the Ravens over the Texans in a

686
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: New York second break. That's the thing. If if if

687
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: Brown gets pushed back a half yard there in, the

688
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: Ravens make wind up making the players. I mean, they're

689
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: a dangerous team and I read some you know reports

690
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: saying they've never seen a locker room about as devastated

691
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: and down in for a regular season game, because that

692
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: was it was. It was just as close as it

693
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: can be New York. Second, I'm not familiar, not sure

694
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: what that is a little bit quicker than a New

695
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: York minute, equal and equally tired for days though, um,

696
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: by the way, best game of the season Week four teen,

697
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: Jets Niners O T Baby was a big comeback. Did

698
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: Don Henley have a song called in New York? Yes?

699
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: He did, he did, he did? It was it was.

700
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: It was not my intention to bring attention back to

701
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: all those things. I apologize one more note. I I'm

702
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: very obviously I'm very down about the Patriots being so

703
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: good this season in the a f C being watered down.

704
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: But it hurts Dark Car and the Raiders are no

705
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: longer in the mix here. But okay, I'll talk to

706
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: myself a little bit into the Chiefs and the Steelers here.

707
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: Maybe one of those teams those are good, Those are

708
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: those are worth watching. I mean, if you look at it,

709
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: most years, are they really worse than the second and

710
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: third best teams? Most years? They're good? Too. I'd say

711
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 1: even with Landry Jones on the field when Pittsburgh played

712
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: New England back earlier in the season, that there were

713
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: moments were that offense, even with Landry Jones, was damna

714
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: ge New England's defense and came close in that game

715
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: with four New England just did what one band right.

716
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: As a Patriots fan, I would much rather see the

717
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: Chiefs don't play. I know, because I know, I know

718
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: they're they're good, But I'm just I think the right

719
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: quarterback could just put forty points on them. I'm dying

720
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: to watch a Steelers Patriots game right now. That would

721
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: be fun football, let's hope. So I just worry on

722
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: the road. The Patriots put up forty four points and

723
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: Big Ben does his best, but it throws a couple

724
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: of picks, gets hurt in a second, gets hurt total injury,

725
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: first quarter, blows out his calf, slipping in the end

726
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: zone or something. Landry Jones comes in, Well, you can't

727
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: control it. He tries to wear a flannel uniform for

728
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: the first time in NFL history. Uh. Those are the

729
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: Those are all the games from Week sixteen. Uh, let's

730
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: move on. I wanted to bring up something uh, I

731
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: had I don't know who it is. Someone a friend

732
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: who knows who Greg is um from described him or

733
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: herself as a person from Greg's past. Uh and and

734
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: also described a need foruice and wanted to share with me.

735
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: You could put the everything that's coming up, just put

736
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: in air quotes. Now just listen this. This is essentially

737
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: what was sent to me on a on a shred

738
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: of notebook paper, a weathered shred of notebook paper, a

739
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: diary entry from apparently Greg's diary way back. You can

740
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: answer for yourself after it's dated August. It says, dear Diary, Sorry,

741
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: I haven't written in a while. To be honest, I

742
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: haven't had much time for journaling and scrapbooking due to

743
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,959
Speaker 1: my checking account nearly fizzling up. In late July. Looking

744
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: for a quick fix, I spoke with my able benefactor,

745
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: Mr Mr Edward Pepper Smith, who pointed me in the

746
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: direction of the Pell family farm in nearby Summers, Connecticut.

747
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: Desperately needing cash, I drove to the Pell family Estates

748
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: the following morn with my letter of introduction from Mr.

749
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: Pepper Smith, who ensured in writing that I was an

750
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: honest worker with an active driver's license. The Pells put

751
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: me right to work as a strawberry delivery boy, dropping

752
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: off my wares to eateries and food plazas up and

753
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: down the Northeast Corridor. My new employe was a dream

754
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: come true. The only blip on the radar diary came

755
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: three days ago when I mistakenly mowed down a young

756
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: family of four and join a morning bike ride in

757
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: East winds Or, Connecticut. I didn't mean to hit them

758
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: per se, but I was flasting new hit song Are

759
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: You Jimmy Ray? By Jimmy Ray while feeling my oats

760
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: behind the wheel. Suddenly I had four dead bodies and

761
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: a tangle of bicycle parts to deal with. To make

762
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: a long story short diary, I pulled my strawberry truck

763
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: off to the side of the road and hastily buried

764
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: all four bodies in a nearby dirt lot. Today, I

765
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: have just two hundred and seventy dollars to my name,

766
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: but I must find a way to get off the

767
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: grid until the temperature cools. Here in northern Connecticut, the

768
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: state cops are buzzing about looking for four missing whites,

769
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: and I don't need to be here when those bodies

770
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: are found. If only there was a foreign land I

771
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: could escape to a place for my funds would last

772
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: through the winter and the whiskey would flow. Sign up

773
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: for Mr. Flames High School Economics class in the Hague,

774
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: the Netherlands today at ww dot flame class dot com.

775
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: Just like I'm gonna give Screg, I'm gonna Sydney the

776
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: same advice, or give you the same advice to give

777
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: Sydney when you're talking about federal crimes any and especially yours,

778
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: which is capital capital murder uh in the first degree

779
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: or maybe second degree. If you got a good lawyer

780
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: man slaughter, you just don't go. You don't put it

781
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: on paper, you don't put it on text, you don't

782
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: put it on paper. He was young. Well, you know,

783
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: if I was a lawyer defending myself against these crimes,

784
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: I think the first question I would ask whoever wrote that,

785
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: because I don't think it was me, would be when

786
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: does strawberry season last in New England? When does it

787
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: last in the uh Greater area? Because the way I

788
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: remember my strawberry job was it was a little bit

789
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, you start in May and you're pretty much

790
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: blown out of the water. By July mid July, those

791
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: strawberries aren't ripe by the time. It's probably those bodies

792
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: are right. Probably there, someone else's head probably would open

793
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: up just another can of worms about the Pell family

794
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: farm zap freezing fruit and trying to sell it to people,

795
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: much less not essentially getting you off, putting them in

796
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: the guilty ring. I have to question the wisdom of

797
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: you advising Mr f to eight eight in a bed,

798
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: a known felon, not advising him to simply asking the

799
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: show is in trouble. Let's move on and talk about

800
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: the m v P race. Uh. And it is a

801
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: spirited one. What a race? I mean you could make

802
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: a case, You can make a real case. Uh. For

803
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: I would say five to six individuals, and there are

804
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: only four of us. So what we did was we

805
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: each took to the defense or offense uh in trying

806
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: to make the case for an m v P winner

807
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: in the NFL UH this season. And we will start

808
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: with Mark Sessler. Uh and you will make the case

809
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: for a running backe. Wow, I'm going first here. Huh. Well,

810
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: I want, you know, to pull back the curtain. When

811
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: we have our little organizational meetings and we say let's,

812
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: you know, come up with some m VP candidates. It's

813
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: it's a little bit tired for us to all pitch

814
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: the same guy. And right out of the gate, my

815
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: three people in the room here with me snatched up quarterbacks.

816
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: But I will pitch Ezekiel Elliott, and I will do

817
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: it with pride because I find it a little bit

818
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: tiresome that these narrative driven awards are so often centered

819
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: around quarterbacks. Now, quarterback is the most important position in football.

820
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: That's not the argument. I'm gonna try to uh take

821
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: you down. I got that one. But Ezekiel Elliott, to me,

822
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys would not be anywhere where they are

823
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: without Ezekiel Elliott absolutely energizing that offense and looking to

824
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: me like one of the best running backs of our

825
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: lifetime at a game changing, scenery changing, franchion, franchise changing

826
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: player that is going to make the Dallas Cowboys the

827
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: centerpiece of national television of playoff races of the NFC

828
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: East for the next seven to eight years, if not more,

829
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what more a player at his position,

830
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: and now listen, he can do a little bit more.

831
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: In the last week he could break Eric Dickerson's running

832
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: rushing record rookie rushing record, if he wants to, if

833
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: he can get there, if they give him the shot,

834
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: I don't care if he does that or not. The

835
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys are the best team in the NFC right now,

836
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: and he is the reason why four years ago Adrian

837
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: Peterson won the m v P. And he did it

838
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: in a season in which Peyton Manning through fifty five touchdowns.

839
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: And the reason he got us because he ran for

840
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: two thousand yards. And that's really the only way I

841
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: think you're going to get the m v P as

842
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: a running back in today's football is that you have

843
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: to have a historic season, and maybe he does by

844
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: breaking that rookie rushing record, but I still think that

845
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: because of the quarterbacks importance, he has to be above

846
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: and beyond even next level superstar stuff. It has to

847
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: be legendary season status like a P and two twelve.

848
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: That's why I don't vote for him, But that is

849
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: that is granted. I think he has a real chance

850
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: at it. I I do, and maybe he's not going

851
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: to break the rookie Russian record most likely unless they

852
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: just you know, run run him crazy next week, which

853
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: doesn't make a lot of sense, But I think all

854
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: the I think all the guys were pitching here and

855
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: Derek Carr who were not spoiler alert, They're all gonna

856
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: get votes. And I think Zeke's got a chance because

857
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: they're kind of the sexy sexy team. What's your thoughts.

858
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: I would have no problem with the Zeu Elliott getting

859
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: the MVP Award. I feel like between Matt Ryan, who

860
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: to me is the prohibitive favorite, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers,

861
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: and his equel Elliott, I would have no problem with

862
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: any of those poor winning the ward in a year

863
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: where Matt Ryan should be the favorite but he's not

864
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: viewed as the favorite. Well why why not? So you're

865
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: going with Matt Ryan. I'm going with Matt Ryan. And

866
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: to be honest, this is the easiest guy to defend

867
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: on this list, or's the easiest case to make. Uh.

868
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: Let me let the listeners in on a little secret here.

869
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: Big media and big NFL would have you know that

870
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 1: there are only eight franchises worth covering in the NFL.

871
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: The two New York teams, the Packers, the Steelers, the Patriots,

872
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: the Broncos, Seahawks. That's about it. When the Falcons do anything,

873
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Matt Ryan should have been the m

874
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: v P frontrunner from September on. He's been the most

875
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: consistent quarterback, driving the best offense in the NFL all

876
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: season long, a historically great offense. He is the Staph

877
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: Curry of the NFL right now. He distributes the ball.

878
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: Third first player in NFL history to throw passes the

879
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 1: thirteen different receivers for touchdowns, and ten of those receivers

880
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: have caught two touchdowns. He has the highest d v

881
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: o A on short passes as well as bombs. He

882
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: has the highest yards per attempt average in NFL history

883
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: for a quarterback with four hundred attempts. And he's been

884
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: so consistent that during the FOM one start, the Falcons

885
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: average thirty five points. During their worst stretch where they

886
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: went three and four, his offense averaged thirty point one points,

887
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: and during the most recent stretch where they went three

888
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: and oh, they average thirty eight points seven points. He

889
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: has been a metronome. At no point has this offense

890
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: been bad. Only five quarterbacks ever have averaged three hundred

891
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: yards per game and a one ten passer rating. Every

892
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: single one of them has one m v P or

893
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: finished second to the guy who who also had those

894
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 1: numbers in this season. The only reason he's not leading

895
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 1: the league in yards and touchdowns right now, he leads

896
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: in every almost every percentage category, and the only reason

897
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: he doesn't lead in those is because his offense has

898
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: been too good. They haven't had enough drives, because they

899
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: scored too easily and too quick. They have the fewest

900
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: drives ending in a punt and turnover, and they also

901
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: are the only team with half of its drives ending

902
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: in a score. Is the biggest stumbling block for a

903
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: guy like Matt Ryan who plays in the NFC South

904
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: for the Atlanta Falcons that aren't on television much and

905
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: are rarely featured. The fact that a lot of people

906
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: who vote for these awards don't get on game Pass

907
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: and watch every team every week. They watch just nationally

908
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: televised games or games or less. So it's a lack

909
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: of exposure where if you look at a guy like

910
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 1: Ezeki Elliott, he's he's going to be on what seven

911
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: straight national primetime games at some point here. Yeah, he's

912
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: an extreme, extreme case. I will just I'm gonna throw

913
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: a little cold water on the who's Matt Ryan. We

914
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: don't understand a society who met Ryan is. Football is

915
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: the biggest sport in this country. It's a huge national sport,

916
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: even even if you're in a not a huge market,

917
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: which by the way, Atlanta is not a small market.

918
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: And I think especially with Fantasy where Matt Ryan has

919
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: been a superstar this year, everyone plays. People thought Matt

920
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:03,479
Speaker 1: Ryan was in the past, people of Matt Ryan's boring market.

921
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: In the NFL, it is and and I think part

922
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: of the problem though, you know, we talked, we've talked

923
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: about not by the NFL, not by I think that's true,

924
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: and I think it's just bad luck that he hasn't

925
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: had that m v P moment. He hasn't had those

926
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: big games in the national stage and the ones that

927
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: he's had, And this is why I I think he

928
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: would be a totally worthy candidate, and I would have

929
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: no problem with anyone the votes for him, especially because

930
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: he's played four more games than Brady. They have had

931
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: chances to win games late in some of their biggest

932
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: games and they haven't done it. You know, the Chiefs

933
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: game he had a chance to win late, he didn't

934
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: do it. That the Chargers game, they blew a seventeen

935
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: point lead that the Seahawks game. He played really well

936
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: in that game, but they did get the ball back

937
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: with a chance to get a field goal and he

938
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: didn't get it. And then a lot of his great

939
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: play of late has been on those games that are

940
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: kind of buried against some bad teams, and so he

941
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: hasn't had those that big time Memory Bowl moment and

942
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: that that does hold a little bit of weight, a

943
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: weight to me in terms of the close games. One

944
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: last point on people who would bring up Julio Jones

945
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: carrying the offense, Matt Ryan not targeting Julio Jones this season.

946
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: These are his numbers, seventy four percent completion rate, one

947
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: two passer rating three T d t I NT ratio.

948
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: He's been even better not throwing to Julio Jones. His

949
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: numbers without Julio are better than any MVP candidates. Total numbers.

950
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: Tremendous season by Matt Ryan. But my my choice, and Mark,

951
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 1: you've talked about one of the things that annoys you

952
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: about Awards season is that it's narrative driven in a

953
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: lot of ways. Well it is, and West is touching

954
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: on that as well with in terms of markets and exposure. Well,

955
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: here's the guy that I'm going to talk about that matches.

956
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: Being a phenomenal UH quarterback, the greatest player in the NFL,

957
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: playing right now at the height of his powers when

958
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: it matters the most, and having the narrative to match.

959
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: You know what that narrative is. November two thousand sixteen,

960
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers are four and six. The team's

961
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 1: a total mess. The backfields and tatters. The receivers can't

962
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 1: get separation. Aaron Rodgers is pressing UH. He's not playing

963
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: at his best, and when everything seems like it's about

964
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: to crumble to the ground, he says this, I feel

965
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: like we cant with the table. I really do. Just

966
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: feel like it just takes one. We get him one

967
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: under our belts, things might start rolling for us and

968
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: we can run the table. And what happened. They have

969
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: run the table five straight wins, and during that five

970
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: game winning streak, eleven touchdowns, no interceptions strown from his

971
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: fourteen hundred yards is completing his passes. Pass rating is

972
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: one twenty and his numbers are outrageous. Even with that

973
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: slow start. He's at forty touchdowns now total for the

974
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: season and I'll give you a little history. He's won

975
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: the m v P twice, he's thrown, he's had forty

976
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: total touchdowns and three separate seasons. Two thousand one he

977
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 1: had forty five on the m v P. Two thousand fourteen,

978
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: he had forty one v two thousand twelve at forty

979
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: three and that was that aforementioned amazing Pete Aston Manning season.

980
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: So he got buried. So he's having at least in

981
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: terms of touchdown production alone. Uh, there are a lot

982
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: of over the metrics to measure how great this guy is.

983
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: He's right there with his greatest seasons. And I think

984
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: I think the lines are dead in week seventeen. I

985
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 1: think he's gonna keep rolling. They're gonna win the division,

986
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: go ten and six. And so I look at a

987
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: guy that has taken a team that maybe wasn't the

988
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: best Packers team he had and has taken him into

989
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: the stratosphere at the at the best possible time. And

990
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: I think they have a deep run in them in

991
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: the playoffs, potentially a dozen factor in here. But it's

992
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: because an all time player is playing at ut at

993
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: his highest level right now. Aaron Rodgers is playing better

994
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: than any quarterback. Currently in December, he has dragged his

995
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: team to the brink of the playoffs. But the other

996
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: three months count two, which but he wasn't terrible in

997
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: those months. Now, it was really a couple. It was

998
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: a couple of bad games. It was a couple. It

999
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: was more than a couple of bad games, right, it

1000
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: was he was up and down, but he had a

1001
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: couple of games that were way worse than anything that

1002
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: Ryan or Brady really put up. You had a couple

1003
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: of stinkers put up this year where he was a

1004
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 1: big part of the problem. And and you mentioned Week seventeen.

1005
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 1: That's a huge factor. I think the last statement here

1006
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: is going to be in people's mind. And so if

1007
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: they didn't win that game, forget it. He's not an average.

1008
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: And if the right if Brady or Ryan for whatever

1009
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: reason had a terrible Week seventeen and they blew their

1010
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: chance at a one seed in the case of the Patriots,

1011
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: are buy In case of the Falcons, that'll be that'll

1012
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: be a factor too. And we said on this podcast

1013
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: when things were going poorly that Aaron Rodgers is saddled

1014
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: with a team that, other than good line play, had

1015
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: receivers that weren't getting open and had a running game

1016
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: where guys weren't getting healthy and usually most quarterbacks, well

1017
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: that's it, the season's over. I don't have a good

1018
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: uh team around me. And what did he do? He?

1019
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: I think he willed his team back to greatness. I

1020
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: agree with that, and Wes, I agree with what you

1021
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: said about how the earlier part of the year absolutely

1022
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: matters Farren Rodgers, except that I would say that you're

1023
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: probably uh, you would be if you had a vote

1024
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: in this you would be thinking more diligently than plenty

1025
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: of other people who vote for this award, and in

1026
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: their minds it's not to slash the other voters, but

1027
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: I think we've seen weird stuff happened year after year

1028
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: with the voting. That Aaron Rodgers is still Aaron Rodgers,

1029
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: this rock solid god, and all they need to see

1030
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: is what's happened over the last month and a half

1031
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: to power them voting for a quarterback, and Aaron Rodgers

1032
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: would be an easy fit. This is all also under

1033
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: selling what Jordy Nelson has done since he got back

1034
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: to two thousand fourteen form. He's also driving this offense.

1035
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: He is to Rogers, what Gronk has been to Brady.

1036
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: But anyone who's going to get an m v P award,

1037
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: part of it is what's around you, who's around you,

1038
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: chemistry of the team, so they all have star players

1039
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: around them. You're not gonna have an m v P

1040
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: on a terrible two and fourteen team, or you shouldn't.

1041
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: One last note before I throw it to Greg. Every

1042
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: week Aaron Rodgers is making a play that nobody else

1043
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: can make in the League's he's got more, He's got

1044
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: more wild plays. Go ahead, Greg. I mean, it's kind

1045
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: of obvious where where I'm gonna go here. But I

1046
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: don't think it's a hard case to make for for

1047
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Tom Brady, I think is having the best

1048
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: season of his career other than two thousand seven. His

1049
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: QBR is right about the same as two thousand seven.

1050
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: You watch him and what he does that I don't

1051
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: think Matt Ryan, or maybe on any quarterback practically ever do.

1052
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: He is a coach on the field. He is figuring

1053
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: out problems in games where you see that they're struggling

1054
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: with some things. He He's a big part of the

1055
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: reason that they adjust. Ryan's got all the stats. But

1056
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: but Brady's stats are are outrageous too. He's got the

1057
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: best touchdown interception in the league to two, that's his

1058
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 1: best in his career. He has the fewest interceptions he's

1059
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: ever thrown uh per pass. His QBR is as high

1060
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: as it's ever been. And when I watched him every week,

1061
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: UH for the QB Index and I do these little scores,

1062
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: and it's kind of cockamami or whatever. He is the

1063
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: one that's he's pretty far head of the pack. And

1064
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: I and I know there's, you know, a chance there's

1065
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: some bias in there, but he he has the highest floor.

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00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: He doesn't have those bad games, and he does have

1067
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: those amazing games. And he had that moment against Baltimore

1068
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: on a Monday night game, a big moment that I

1069
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: think people will remember. So he has a little a

1070
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 1: little bit of everything. And I look at Pro Football Focus,

1071
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: who grades every single play, and they have him, despite

1072
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: missing the four games, pretty far ahead of the pack two.

1073
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: And when I watched the games and just basing on

1074
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: what is his average game, to me, Brady is ahead

1075
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: of Ryan. That he's doing more to help his team

1076
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: that win than Ryan, and they're close. I think Brady

1077
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: and Ryan to me are one A, one B and

1078
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: Elliott is just behind. Does it help Brady that, unlike

1079
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: in past years when you lose Rob Gronkowski, the offense

1080
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: hasn't significantly fallen off. In fact, it doesn't matter who's

1081
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: around Tom Brady. You could argue that of all these candidates,

1082
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 1: he's got the least real, bona fide game changing weapons

1083
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: around him. Does it hurt Tom Brady that they went

1084
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: three and one without him? I hate that. I don't

1085
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: care about the record. That's such a small sample sizing

1086
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: you would have to take each game as its own.

1087
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: But the offense, I mean they also got shut out

1088
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: without the the offense at you know, the numbers on

1089
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: offense are at you know, far far higher since he

1090
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 1: came back. That they did did a good job whinning.

1091
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,919
Speaker 1: Better argument is he just flat out missed those games,

1092
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: and there's a precedent for this. Joe Montana is the

1093
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 1: only one to win the m v P Award while

1094
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 1: missing three or four, three or more games. He missed three,

1095
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: and he blew every other quarterback out of the water

1096
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: in that nineteen season, I believe is when they were

1097
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: just a had a one twelve passer rating, seventy completion

1098
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: rate in an era where you just didn't see anything

1099
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: approaching those numbers. Tom Brady isn't that much better than

1100
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: than Matt Ryan, if at all. And I think the

1101
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: other thing is Tom brady schedule that he's faced for

1102
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: past defenses is so much easier than Matt Ryan. Schedule

1103
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: has to be a major factor. The four games is

1104
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 1: tough to get past. And which is which is? I

1105
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't you know, argue with anyone that that puts puts

1106
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: Ryan in there. I would argue though, that that his

1107
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: consistency and how good those twelve games have been is

1108
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: still better. You know that he's the best player at

1109
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: the best position and might be on the best team.

1110
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: You know. I think obviously I was wrong about Brady.

1111
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: He's just as good, if not better, this season, and

1112
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: he could decline as we well watch after the playoffs.

1113
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: Remember remember what happened in playoffs last year. He looked

1114
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: a year old man. But he doesn't have the numbers,

1115
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: uh if for for some people, if you if you're

1116
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: if he's gonna finish, let's say with twenty seven touchdowns, um,

1117
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: and I know there's other numbers to look at, but

1118
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: when the voters go and they see the other guys

1119
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: had forty touchdowns and had better you know, uh, cumulative stats.

1120
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: I think that will hurt him in the in the vote.

1121
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: Whether that's fair or not, I'm not saying anything. He's

1122
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: had some games. He's had three games, he had one

1123
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: game where he didn't throw a touchdown, he had another

1124
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: game when he had won. If he if he had

1125
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: another five or six touched downs, I feel like his

1126
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: case would be stronger. That's not fair, but part of that,

1127
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: like you cited Rogers leading in the NFL and touchdowns,

1128
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: big part of this because they have no running games,

1129
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: so he has to throw in the red zone. But

1130
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: Garrett Blunt leads the NFL and touchdowns, so they're gonna

1131
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: run for more short touchdowns and other teams. I mean,

1132
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: that's why you do it. It's it's not fair that

1133
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: that the people who vote for these awards don't watch

1134
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: the games. They just rely on STAPs. I really like

1135
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: adjusted yards per tempt where Matt Ryan does great, and

1136
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: that's kind of yards per tempt plus it includes a

1137
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: kind of interceptions in the mix. And this is the

1138
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: second best season of his career and it's very close

1139
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: to two thousand seven for Tom Brady. So that's that's

1140
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: the kind of level he's been looking for. The Well,

1141
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's Pro Football Writers of America,

1142
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: it's Associated Press, it's um it's it's like a guy

1143
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: in each Yeah, it's a guy. It's more or less

1144
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: a guy in each city, and then a lot of

1145
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: national guys like I remember when I was at NBC,

1146
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: Bob Costas had to vote. Uh, you know, like Chris.

1147
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: I don't think he's watching a lot of game past.

1148
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: Chris Berman has a vote. I remember because I saw

1149
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: the list once, and I know Tom Curran for instance,

1150
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: has like the Boston area vote. So it's like one

1151
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: guy in each city, plus plus a bunch of national guys.

1152
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: Wes you mentioned so Montana wanted at eighty nine and

1153
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: ninety Steve Young for the forty Niners, then one in

1154
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: ninety two and ninety four. That is a six year

1155
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: stretch where if you were a forty Niners fan, your

1156
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: quarterback won the m v P four times in six years.

1157
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: That's a throne of ease before a throne of ease.

1158
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: It's also a testament that Bill Walsh being twenty years

1159
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: ahead of the rest of the NFL. Alright, yep, Well

1160
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: some of that came under the coach after him, but

1161
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: you're right it is George Seafort. Yeah. That was Bill

1162
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: Walsh's offense the West Coast that it took a lot

1163
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: of people a lot of years to catch. I think

1164
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: even George Seafort would admit that he took over, you know,

1165
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: a raging you know, super Bowl headed, good team, full

1166
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: of stars. Sefort talk enjoyed it, alright. That's how George

1167
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: Seaford podcast come later in the offseas. That was the

1168
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: whole plan, the five episode. We'd finally unlease our Seafort.

1169
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: Well we just begun get now after the break Seaforts

1170
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: Carolina years. I never I never trust a coach, alright, really,

1171
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: anyone that wears the glasses that have the tint to

1172
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: them always a little creepy to me. Greg has those

1173
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: glasses absolute shot. I forgot about that. But Greg, do

1174
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: you admit when you wear those glasses that get darker

1175
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: in the sun that you look at well, it's not

1176
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't really on purpose. I don't wear them outside

1177
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: because of it. And uh, I was getting the glasses

1178
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: and it was part of you know, the insurance plan.

1179
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: They're just like, well, you want the thing where it

1180
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: turns darker and it's free, And I was like, wow,

1181
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: it's free. I guess it's it's crazy and I've been

1182
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: counting the days I don't even wear him anymore. It's

1183
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: gonna you know what it's going to. Uh, it's not

1184
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: your fault, all right. Five episodes in the can Thank

1185
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: you everyone who's been. I know there are people out

1186
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: there that not on only listen to all the episodes,

1187
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: they've listened to episodes multiple times. We get those tweets

1188
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: a lot those, I gotta say, we get so much

1189
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: great positive feedback. We get some criticism as well. F

1190
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: you guys, but we get some positive feed a lot

1191
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: of positive feedback. And the one that really is my

1192
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: favorite one to get is when somebody says I'm listening

1193
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: to Thursday's podcast for the third time, and that wows me.

1194
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: It floors me. It's like, wow, we're doing something right.

1195
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: So thank you to everyone that's been along for the ride,

1196
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: even if you had just got here, even if you've

1197
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: been show for seventy two. We like you too. Do

1198
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: we like you as much? No, tell a few friends

1199
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: about it, or you know, tweet about it, and then

1200
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: we'll like you as much. Conditions. It's conditional. I like

1201
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: all of you except chiefs, fans and and and finally, yes,

1202
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: we will try to maybe celebrate this in a proper

1203
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: way a little later. Uh, with the help of some

1204
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: Shadowy League figures. We'll see what we can do. But

1205
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: thanks to the Shadowy League figure popped in here for

1206
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: a few minutes watching over us. I don't know if

1207
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: you noticed what was going you know what speaking Shadowy

1208
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: League figures. Thank you to Mark Brady who's been with

1209
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: us uh and really is is done, done his best

1210
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: to help our show grow. It's been it's been a great,

1211
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: great ride. And let's hope five more. I don't know

1212
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: that feels extreme, but like takes us to roughly mid March.

1213
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: I think we're week by week. Everything's week by week.

1214
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: All right, that's it. This is what's wrong. I want

1215
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: to do five hundred more. I don't know about you.

1216
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: We'll come on, it'll see until what's today? Today's Tuesday? Thursday. Yeah,

1217
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: we're doing another show on Thursday. This is Dana hans

1218
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Speaker 1: Is signing off for The Quiet Storm, The Mailman, The

1219
01:02:47,120 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: Boss and New Money behind the glass five baby h

1220
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: while you stuck up, half witted, scruppy, looking not harder