Speaker 1: We're live. I'm sorry, I'm late. There's some protests in
Speaker 1: this city. What else is new on this episode of
Speaker 1: The Heat check Man twenty twenty two draft is history
Speaker 1: and oh my god, the pre draft consensus number one,
Speaker 1: Jabari Smith went third overall to Houston, a team that
Speaker 1: cleared a spot on their roster for him, traded a
Speaker 1: player for him, Paolo ban Carrol, the pre draft consensus
Speaker 1: number three, was drafted number one despite never working out
Speaker 1: with the Magic And that was just the beginning, folks,
Speaker 1: just utter and complete madness. We will break it down
Speaker 1: all along with you, along with some Kyrie news on
Speaker 1: his quote unquote preferred destinations. Seems like a divorce is
Speaker 1: inevitable in Brooklyn. We also have a great interview with
Speaker 1: Matt McEwan, a betting insider. I help us understand all
Speaker 1: of the insanity around the NBA Draft and what that
Speaker 1: meant from a betting perspective. So much chaos, Brock, I
Speaker 1: need you to drop that from Welcome, Welcome to our
Speaker 1: post draft show, live, absolutely live. We are going to
Speaker 1: have on Matt McEwan later on today, editor in chief
Speaker 1: of Sports Betting Dime, friend of the show. He is
Speaker 1: going to break down the odds, betting odds for the
Speaker 1: number one pick and why it went so wonky also
Speaker 1: really quickly before we also get into some news. Google
Speaker 1: Palo Ban Carro's suit for Draft night. If you're wondering
Speaker 1: do I hate this or do I actually love this?
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you this. This one little bit
Speaker 1: of news I think will change your mind. If you're like,
Speaker 1: what was that on Palo Ban Carro's purple suit? Those
Speaker 1: are solitaire diamonds? Fire, absolute fire. Anyone who can put
Speaker 1: I think four carrot diamonds all around his suit, plastered
Speaker 1: on and so on. This man knew he was going
Speaker 1: number one. Sesh all right. So after what felt like
Speaker 1: a little bit of news, after what felt like fake information,
Speaker 1: misinformation disinformation about the growing impass, the growing impasse between
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Nets and the Kyrie Irving camp, which be honest,
Speaker 1: it's just Kyrie Irving. There is no camp, there is
Speaker 1: no It's like, that's just a that's a very large
Speaker 1: over statement. Turns out, where there's smoke, there's burning sage. Yes,
Speaker 1: the Nets have now all but confirmed they are not
Speaker 1: going to offer Kyrie the max that he's looking for.
Speaker 1: Now Kai is opting out of his deal most likely,
Speaker 1: and is floating out all sorts of wild ass landing
Speaker 1: spots for a sign in trade. Kyrie texted Sat Shams
Speaker 1: and floated out a bunch of teams he would like
Speaker 1: to be traded for. Lakers, Clippers, Knicks, heat Maps, Sixers,
Speaker 1: all of whom don't have any fucking cap space. Sixers.
Speaker 1: You mean to tell me he's gonna play with James Harden?
Speaker 1: I know this is some boys. A week ago, I
Speaker 1: would have said the odds of Kyrie going to another
Speaker 1: team or zero point zero percent, I would give you
Speaker 1: plus five thousand odds, which is five hundred to one.
Speaker 1: You give me ten dollars, I give you five thousand dollars. Maschool. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know anymore. Up and down, Down is up.
Speaker 1: Kyrie might again be playing with Lebron. This is going
Speaker 1: to be one of those insane offseasons. This is gonna
Speaker 1: be like the Lebron James to Lakers offseason. It feels like,
Speaker 1: let's break it down really quickly. According to Sam Ammick,
Speaker 1: it's not a far fetched idea quote that Kyrie will
Speaker 1: be in purple and gold next season, And let me
Speaker 1: tell you, I need it I need it, I want it.
Speaker 1: This is what he said. You've got people within the
Speaker 1: league actually thinking, man, I think he might find a
Speaker 1: way to get back together with Lebron, And I do
Speaker 1: get the sense that Lebron would open that door, and
Speaker 1: we'll see if they can pull that off. Leave it
Speaker 1: to the Lakers to sign another future Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: who's a massive headache and probably won't still make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: With you, I cannot express to you how much I
Speaker 1: need this. I cannot express to you how much I
Speaker 1: want this. Because Kyrie and Braun and nobody else that
Speaker 1: can play defense or shoot is just gonna be glorious television.
Speaker 1: Delusional Laker fans will already buy their tickets to the finals,
Speaker 1: are already bet on the Lakers to win it all
Speaker 1: before they'll plan the parade, their location of said parade.
Speaker 1: By training camp, they still won't play defense. No matter
Speaker 1: where or how Kyrie ends up in Lakerland, somehow, Sam
Speaker 1: Presty will end up with another first round pick because
Speaker 1: of it. Once again, the Brooklyn Nets will dominate the
Speaker 1: NBA offseason news and with rumors now that if Kyrie
Speaker 1: goes KD goes interesting, I know a lot of DC
Speaker 1: fans think you can get them. You're not gonna get them.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get them. I'm sorry, you're just not.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe a three team trade where Kyrie goes through Washington,
Speaker 1: or Kadi goes to Washington, or maybe be O goes,
Speaker 1: you know, bo goes then to the Nets. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but Katie's not playing for DC, y'all. He might want
Speaker 1: to go to Miami. He might want to go to Dallas.
Speaker 1: He might want to go that Dallas is a good location.
Speaker 1: Mike thinking about Phoenix. Phoenix would be an interesting spot
Speaker 1: for him. Denver interesting spot for him. Chaos is a ladder,
Speaker 1: as they say, and that ladder has a permanent home
Speaker 1: in Barclay Center.
Speaker 2: Let's move forward towards the draft.
Speaker 1: It was absolute madness during the draft. Madness thirty minutes
Speaker 1: before madness twenty four hours before. Things themed set in
Speaker 1: concrete until they were not. Briefly, here is what happened massively.
Speaker 1: Consensus number one pick twenty four hours before the draft
Speaker 1: ended up going third. The guy Houston restructed their restructured
Speaker 1: their roster to draft Powol. Ben Carol ended up going
Speaker 1: number one to Orlando. The team he actually rejected working
Speaker 1: out for five times. They asked him to come in
Speaker 1: for a workout five times, and he was like his
Speaker 1: people's were like, no, why would we do that. You
Speaker 1: don't even care you're taking Jabbari. And they were like,
Speaker 1: but we'd really like to evaluate all three of y'all.
Speaker 1: And they were like, no, we're good, we know you're
Speaker 1: taking Jabbari. Stop playing around. And then they called back like, hey,
Speaker 1: we'd like to see we'd like to see Paolo. And
Speaker 1: they're like, GoF, we told you you're taking Jabbari. And
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, Monday of the Monday of draft week,
Speaker 1: they call and they're like, hey, any chance we could
Speaker 1: just do like a zoom workout? They're like, no, GoF
Speaker 1: Thursday there, Wednesday before the draft, the day before the draft.
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, any chance you could just fly in
Speaker 1: on the way to Barclays. We'll get you in on
Speaker 1: draft day on Thursday. We'll get you out any chance,
Speaker 1: two hour, three hour flight, whatever it is, any chance.
Speaker 1: And they're like, it's weird that you'd be asking us
Speaker 1: this day before but still not interested, and I go
Speaker 1: where fine, and they just decided we're taking them anyway.
Speaker 1: Interesting stuff, very interesting. Sacramento Kings came out whift again.
Speaker 1: They took Keegan Murray at number four when everybody thought
Speaker 1: that they could move down, and they would move down.
Speaker 1: There was a million suitors for Jade and Ivy, and
Speaker 1: now they got a guy who's probably in a dreamland,
Speaker 1: Kyle Kuzma. In a dreamland, he turns into Kyle Kuzma.
Speaker 1: Yet they could have just drafted Kyle. They could have
Speaker 1: just taken that number four pick, traded it to the
Speaker 1: Wizards and gotten Kyle Kuzma and probably the number ten pick. Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.
Speaker 1: Maybe you don't like Kyle Kuzma's decision making, but he's
Speaker 1: a hell of a wing player and an athlete, and
Speaker 1: maybe that keeps Bradley Beal in DC. Detroit Pistons could
Speaker 1: not have drafted Jade n Ivy faster. They were like,
Speaker 1: what this guy's here? Yes, excuse me, yes, created this
Speaker 1: complicated set of moves with trot Troy Weaver twenty four
Speaker 1: hours ago with everyone killing the Pistons for trading Jeremy
Speaker 1: Grant for a bag of potato chips, which we talked
Speaker 1: about and people wanted to Then after the draft wanted
Speaker 1: to build a statue around Troy Weaver and Detroit. That's
Speaker 1: how fast things changed. At least a dozen teams were
Speaker 1: jocking to get Jade and Ivy after Detroit picked him.
Speaker 1: Like no. They ended up also making some moves with
Speaker 1: that twenty twenty five first round pick that they got
Speaker 1: from Portland in the Jeremy Grand trade that everyone said
Speaker 1: that they got nothing for to get Jalen Durn. Yes,
Speaker 1: they moved up to the twelfth spot, thirteen spot, moved
Speaker 1: up to the thirteen spot to get Jalen Durn and
Speaker 1: somehow they screwed the Knicks over in the process. Let's
Speaker 1: discuss the Knicks. Probably the most disappointing draft night for
Speaker 1: Knicks fans. Steven A Smith in consolable. He's getting shoulder
Speaker 1: rubs from Spike Lee. Like Spike Lee's name is Drake
Speaker 1: and steven A's name is Nick Nurse. On the sidelines
Speaker 1: of a finals game. They traded away their eleventh pick
Speaker 1: for a bunch of future first rounders that are protected
Speaker 1: basically for the entire first round, so you don't even
Speaker 1: get them, all right, We're gonna give you twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three first round pick protected up into twenty nine. Uh wait,
Speaker 1: what so you mean to tell me unless I win
Speaker 1: the championship next year. Unless unless you win the championship
Speaker 1: next year, I don't get this pick. Yeah. Yeah, Also,
Speaker 1: it's a Detroit pick. It doesn't convey unless they are
Speaker 1: the nineteenth picker. Worse, wait, so you mean to tell
Speaker 1: me Detroit has to make the playoffs next year in
Speaker 1: order for me to get this Yes, and somehow Leon
Speaker 1: Rose neglected to do that research. It's just a few
Speaker 1: first round picks that probably will never convey. They traded
Speaker 1: Kemba Walk, They moved Kemba Walker away, got rid of
Speaker 1: some cap space for Jalen Brunson player. I love a player.
Speaker 1: You guys know that. I like a lot table setter.
Speaker 1: Good Point are very traditionally sound set the table, tough
Speaker 1: defensively Villanova, tough guy. But he's largely expected, like, at
Speaker 1: least on draft night, was largely expected to be back
Speaker 1: in a Dallas Maverick's uniform. So there's a lot of
Speaker 1: speculation about why you do that, baby, Why you do
Speaker 1: that trade if he's going back to Dallas because you
Speaker 1: don't have any other options. Mark Cuban thinks he can
Speaker 1: resign him good things he can they can resign them,
Speaker 1: and it's probably gonna cost him in the upper twenties
Speaker 1: to get them if they can get them. And now
Speaker 1: Wendy and others are reporting that the Knicks are inching
Speaker 1: closer to making Brunson a reality in New York because
Speaker 1: because because because of the wonderful things he does. No,
Speaker 1: that's not why. Because Rick Brunson is an assistant for
Speaker 1: the New York next his dad. Yeah, the Brunson family,
Speaker 1: So they must have a little little home cooking.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just not a coincidence. There's another Brunson there
Speaker 1: that's actually his daddy. But this is a big ass
Speaker 1: But what if they can't get Brunson, what do they do?
Speaker 1: What Bruns is like, sorry, dad, I love you, but
Speaker 1: you saw what happened with Patrick Baldwin junior right when
Speaker 1: he went to whatever school that was God his dad
Speaker 1: fired in the process, his draft stock boomed kaboomed. Can
Speaker 1: they go and get de Jontay Murray with some of
Speaker 1: the whack ass pieces that they have and trade those
Speaker 1: away and maybe have to move some first round picks
Speaker 1: that they got they probably won't convey to San Antonio
Speaker 1: M m I don't know that R. C. Buford is
Speaker 1: doing that deal. I don't know if he's like he
Speaker 1: will suss out that those trade that those pieces and
Speaker 1: those those first round picks won't convey. He knows how
Speaker 1: it all works. This could be an unmitigated disaster. It's
Speaker 1: the Knicks. What do you expect? It's Madison Square Garden
Speaker 1: and Dolan And I love Dolan. You guys know that
Speaker 1: he's a good dude. Good dude Dolan. I always say
Speaker 1: that JD. And he's also he's also a good guitarist.
Speaker 1: I've heard he does a good job. Moving on, Oka
Speaker 1: see found a way to make moves like only Sam
Speaker 1: Presty can. They picked Chad up at number two. They
Speaker 1: traded up to get Uzman Jang at eleven. They didn't
Speaker 1: have to give up two well to get Jang at eleven.
Speaker 1: Took another skinny big man who can play and can pass.
Speaker 1: He's six eleven, one hundred and ninety pounds, just like Chet.
Speaker 1: They should work out perfect together. They took Jalen Williams
Speaker 1: from Santa Clara at twelve, another good kid who's moved
Speaker 1: up the draft board. Then they took another Jalen Williams
Speaker 1: two Jalen Williams, Yes, one with the al, one with
Speaker 1: the A Y L. Yes, it's true. He played at Arkansas.
Speaker 1: The other one played at Santa Clara. It's true. Just
Speaker 1: to full on kick ash draft for OKC to the
Speaker 1: point where I say, are they my league past team?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but it's close. Sga Giddy, Lou dort Chet,
Speaker 1: Jalen Williams, Jalen Williams, A lot of them. Chatter that
Speaker 1: they wanted to move up to seven. Didn't end up happening.
Speaker 1: Sam Presty still playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers,
Speaker 1: ended up trading three first rounders to the Knicks, and
Speaker 1: they were the three least valuable first round picks that
Speaker 1: he has out of the nineteen that he has. And
Speaker 1: they still have sixteen first rounders in the next six years. Blazers, fam,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Is it good? Is it bad? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I haven't seen the kid play. No one
Speaker 1: has seen Shaden Sharp play in the last twelve months.
Speaker 1: Shade Sharp has not played any competitive basketball in the
Speaker 1: last year, but because of the way that these rules work,
Speaker 1: he was able to declare early for college come in
Speaker 1: and the spring semester, thought about playing when's backcourt for
Speaker 1: Kentucky was all banged up. Calipari mench move, don't do it.
Speaker 1: You're only gonna hurt yourself in your draft stock. We
Speaker 1: don't need this. They ended up getting bounced out the
Speaker 1: first round. Calipari tie. The kid thinks he could be
Speaker 1: a first round pick next year, number one overall pick.
Speaker 1: Next year. We took Shaden Sharp seven. What does that
Speaker 1: mean for a team that says that they are contending
Speaker 1: and building a contender around Dame in the immediate future,
Speaker 1: but we haven't seen him play basketball competitively in over
Speaker 1: a year. I don't know. Does that mean he could
Speaker 1: be a next superstar? Maybe? Am I patient with Shaden?
Speaker 1: Absolutely is Dame patient with Shaden Sharp? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing that's the big upside. You listen to
Speaker 1: this guy, Shaden Sharp talk. He says, I think I
Speaker 1: can be the best player to ever play basketball. I
Speaker 1: what do I do? Since you don't have a comp
Speaker 1: on me, you don't have a scouting report on me
Speaker 1: because I've played no competitive basketball in twelve months. Well,
Speaker 1: let me tell you what I do. Straight line drives
Speaker 1: to the rim. I play above the rim at all times.
Speaker 1: I'm long. He's six foot He's six foot five with
Speaker 1: a seven foot wingspan, can shoot the three effectively, plays
Speaker 1: very tough defense. He's skinny as hell. But if he
Speaker 1: wasn't skinny as hell, who does that remind you of?
Speaker 1: To me? Aunt Edwards? To me shades of brandon Ingram.
Speaker 1: Can he be the next aunt Edwards? Can he be
Speaker 1: the next BI? We're gonna have to see in the
Speaker 1: midst of all this, Like I said, KDE rumors flying around.
Speaker 1: No one wants to make moves in the draft anymore
Speaker 1: because they're like, we might need the cap space for KD.
Speaker 1: What does that do? Creates more chaos. Memphis Grizzlies seemed
Speaker 1: to be involved in half the draft picks in the
Speaker 1: first round, ending up with Jake Lauravia and David Roddy
Speaker 1: at the expense of d Anthony Melton. The Wizards did
Speaker 1: everything that they could do to push Bradley Beale out
Speaker 1: of DC Yeah, by drafting at ten instead of going
Speaker 1: to get a veteran point guard with that number ten spot.
Speaker 1: It feels like this was an interesting choice given the
Speaker 1: fact that Bradley Beal said that his number one priority
Speaker 1: in terms of his free agency decision is winning. Can
Speaker 1: a rookie point guard out of Wisconsin get you to
Speaker 1: winning in your prime? Bradley Beal, even Bradley Beal, who
Speaker 1: I know is delusional, who I know wants to make
Speaker 1: this work in his heart, knows this is not the way.
Speaker 1: If I was a betting woman, which I am, I
Speaker 1: would bet that Bradley Beal is not happy right now
Speaker 1: with Johnny Davis on this team. What does that mean
Speaker 1: for his free agency status? Possibly deuces, Possibly deuces. San
Speaker 1: Antonio Spurs continued. A lot of DC fans want him
Speaker 1: out because he's gonna make sixty million. We'll have to see.
Speaker 1: San Antonio. Spurs continue to march to the beat of
Speaker 1: their own drum. They do not give a fool about
Speaker 1: what anybody thinks. That's why they took Josh Primo twenty
Speaker 1: sloughts higher than anybody thought. That's why they started with
Speaker 1: the Draymond clones in Jeremy Sohan, got better with Malachi
Speaker 1: brand at twenty, who I loved. Then they ended up
Speaker 1: getting Blake Wesley at twenty five. All of them were
Speaker 1: way up the Spurs draft board, Brandon being pegged as
Speaker 1: a mid lottery pick at one point. Interesting, interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see how this all ends up.
Speaker 1: Do we have Matt mcewanon, Wow, what great timing. Amazing
Speaker 1: timing here, So let's talk about it. So first and foremost,
Speaker 1: yesterday we saw a series of unprecedenting swings in the
Speaker 1: odds for who would go number one in the draft.
Speaker 1: In the span of eight hours, Jabari Smith went from
Speaker 1: negative ten thousand, which means for every dollar you bet,
Speaker 1: you get back one penny, to plus three hundred to
Speaker 1: plus three hundred, which means for every dollar you bet
Speaker 1: bet you get back three dollars, and then it went
Speaker 1: back down again. Eventual number one pick, Paolo ben Caro
Speaker 1: was plus twenty two hundred, which means every dollar you
Speaker 1: get back, you get every dollar you bet, you get
Speaker 1: twenty two back. Ten days ago. Never seen anything like this.
Speaker 1: Benedict Matherren love him. Ben Mathren maybe gonna be one
Speaker 1: of the best players in the draft. Pacers took him
Speaker 1: at number six. Snake this Jeremy Sohan spurs very interesting pickup.
Speaker 1: I think he could become a more offensive shooting threat.
Speaker 1: But like a Draymond Green. Loved Jake Laavia and that
Speaker 1: pick Grizzlies took him at nineteen. He's a dog. He
Speaker 1: fits in with what they want to do. Absolutely, Max
Speaker 1: Christy on the Lakers number thirty five. Quick little story.
Speaker 1: Lakers targeted Andrew Nemhard, but he went number thirty one,
Speaker 1: so they were very, very happy to get Christy in
Speaker 1: this spot. Probably ranked in the twenties on many draft boards,
Speaker 1: basically a better version of thht. Lakers also ended up
Speaker 1: getting Scottie Pippen Junior and Sharif O'Neill. Interesting pedigree of
Speaker 1: names there, and then the Pelicans end up getting EJ.
Speaker 1: Ladell at forty one. Is he gonna be this? This
Speaker 1: Ayu de soon move version like somebody who slipped in
Speaker 1: the draft probably should have been a number one pick
Speaker 1: or number first round pick. I'm not sure, but it
Speaker 1: could be who I think is Suskeek and Murray. He's
Speaker 1: a diet Wish version of Kyle Kuzma. I think he's
Speaker 1: an absolute dream if he becomes Kyle Kuzma. And I
Speaker 1: put this out there because the Kings have been atrocious
Speaker 1: in their draft history. This is a team that took
Speaker 1: Marvin Bagley at two, Luca went three, took Thomas Robinson
Speaker 1: f five, Dame went six, jimmerferdn At ted ten, Clay
Speaker 1: Win eleven. So the Kings don't get any benefit of
Speaker 1: the doubt from me at all. When Keegan is a
Speaker 1: nice piece, that's fine. But Jaden Ivy was the guy
Speaker 1: that everybody said will will make an impact now, and
Speaker 1: the Kings are gonna get murdered for this pick. I
Speaker 1: also am a little suspect on Dyson Daniels, a little
Speaker 1: suspect on Uzman Jang. We'll break that down the next
Speaker 1: teak mq andon. Wow, what great timing. Amazing timing here,
Speaker 1: So let's talk about it. So first and foremost, yesterday
Speaker 1: we saw a series of unprecedenting swings in the odds
Speaker 1: for who would go number one in the draft. In
Speaker 1: the span of eight hours, Jabari Smith went from negative
Speaker 1: ten thousand, which means for every dollar you bet you
Speaker 1: get back one penny, to plus three hundred to plus
Speaker 1: three hundred, which means for every dollar you bet bet
Speaker 1: you get back three dollars, and then it went back
Speaker 1: down again. Eventual number one pick PLO Ben Carol was
Speaker 1: plus twenty two hundred, which means every dollar you get
Speaker 1: back you get every dollar you bet you get twenty
Speaker 1: two back ten days ago. Never seen anything like this,
Speaker 1: so to help us understand what all happened and how
Speaker 1: it might affect future drafts as a league as a whole,
Speaker 1: Please welcome Matt McEwan. Matt is editor in chief of
Speaker 1: the Sports Betting Dime. He has been a friend of
Speaker 1: a show for a long time now. He is also
Speaker 1: he has created their futures trackers, score predictors and other
Speaker 1: betting models. Welcome to the show, Matt.
Speaker 3: He so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for coming on. Man. It was what a
Speaker 1: crazy time it is to be a sports betting person
Speaker 1: in the business. I had people even that were people
Speaker 1: that were newsbreakers who wanted to get my perspective in
Speaker 1: terms of how this blew up on Twitter, you know,
Speaker 1: not just gambling Twitter, but NBA Twitter. So I figured,
Speaker 1: you know, for the people to get somebody on who
Speaker 1: does this all the time and understands how markets move.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to have you on explain to those
Speaker 1: maybe who don't bet or don't understand, you know, how
Speaker 1: these things go, how we can get odds change so
Speaker 1: rapidly and so wildly in such a short period of time,
Speaker 1: and not just in one direction where everything goes and stays,
Speaker 1: but then in every direction.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm interested all boils down to money. Right,
Speaker 4: And these sports books they aren't you know, they're in
Speaker 4: the betting industry, but they're not into making bets themselves. Right,
Speaker 4: They're not sitting here saying, okay, we're okay if we're
Speaker 4: you know, have.
Speaker 3: This massive liability on Palo to go first.
Speaker 4: Now, their job is to even the money up proportionally.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: What they want is, again it's not necessarily an equal
Speaker 4: amount of money on each side, but what they need
Speaker 4: is a proportional amount of money on each side.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: And I say that because hey, if you got minus
Speaker 4: one ten odds on each side, sure you want equal
Speaker 4: money on each side. But when we're talking about something
Speaker 4: like you just said there where Jabari Smith was minus
Speaker 4: ten thousand, you know that's okay. You you you should
Speaker 4: have a lot more money on Jabari Smith than you
Speaker 4: should have on anybody else.
Speaker 3: At that point.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So you know this, this was just very interesting to
Speaker 4: see the money flowing, right, And that's exactly what happened
Speaker 4: here was you know, and we live in this age
Speaker 4: of social media now and it's becoming stronger in the
Speaker 4: insiders and the rumors, and and you know, whether they're
Speaker 4: real or or fake, they're flowing right. And all it takes,
Speaker 4: as we've seen, is one of them to get a
Speaker 4: ton of people on it willing to say, Okay, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw some money on this side. I think
Speaker 4: it's it's got some value. All of a sudden, you
Speaker 4: create some steam. You got a ton of money coming
Speaker 4: in there. The book starts saying, we can't have this.
Speaker 4: You know, if this event occurs now, we would be
Speaker 4: out a lot of money.
Speaker 3: So what do we have to do.
Speaker 4: We got to start driving some money on the other options. Right,
Speaker 4: So that's where you see this fluctuation happening, and that's
Speaker 4: why you saw it happen so fast, so wildly, like
Speaker 4: you described there, right, there was just this massive flow
Speaker 4: of money that started about seventy two hours ago on
Speaker 4: Palo there. And you know, then Wadge sends out his
Speaker 4: tweet that it is going to be Jabbari, and all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, everybody's back on Jabbari, and so then
Speaker 4: they've got to swing it again because they're all of
Speaker 4: a sudden liable again. They're not in a good position
Speaker 4: in where the money's lying, right, So it was wild
Speaker 4: and you know, for those who are familiar, you know,
Speaker 4: NFL fans as well, we saw this happen in the
Speaker 4: NFL draft too, right with Aiden Hutchinson and Trevon Walker.
Speaker 4: We even saw it. I mean, if you go a
Speaker 4: little bit further back, Icky and Evan Neil, all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, we're the favorites to go first overall, right,
Speaker 4: and the same type of thing. It didn't happen, you know,
Speaker 4: as you know, as abruptly as this one did. But
Speaker 4: as as more markets come online, right, more people are betting,
Speaker 4: there's more money available to be bet and just more
Speaker 4: rumors going around, right, So that's that's why it's it's
Speaker 4: essentially the money.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious what can betters learn from this the
Speaker 1: next time it happens, and is there a philosophy because
Speaker 1: it feels like seventy two hours ago there was no
Speaker 1: news that was the reason that Paolo was getting a
Speaker 1: lot of influx of money other than just the value
Speaker 1: of seeing twenty two twenty one to one odds.
Speaker 3: Well, so I mean, if there's a lassing here, and
Speaker 3: I mean I think this goes.
Speaker 4: Beyond sports even Tristan and I know this is a
Speaker 4: sports podcast, but I mean, if there's a lesson, it
Speaker 4: is you know, understand the sources that that you're you're trusting, right,
Speaker 4: And it's you know, these insiders understand that they don't
Speaker 4: need firm, credible evidence to go and put out a report, right,
Speaker 4: they just need a rumor and and it's and it's
Speaker 4: a report. So you know, if there's a lesson that
Speaker 4: you had here, I think it's, uh, it's one, you know,
Speaker 4: know your sources, but two, understand that around these drafts,
Speaker 4: nobody knows anything you know, and and the teams themselves
Speaker 4: are are thrown out fake reports to try to throw
Speaker 4: each other off of you know, each other's scent, right.
Speaker 4: The I mean, you know, nobody, nobody wants to nobody.
Speaker 4: They they don't want everybody else knowing who they're taking
Speaker 4: first overall, right, They they would love, they would have loved,
Speaker 4: you know, somebody to try to trade up to come
Speaker 4: get Jabbari Smith because you know they wanted Jabbari Smith
Speaker 4: and that was their guy, right. So it's it's just
Speaker 4: knowing that these drafts are very unpredictable and and you
Speaker 4: know when you do see twenty two hundred, huts, it
Speaker 4: is worth a little sprinkle. You know, obviously we bet responsibly,
Speaker 4: and you know, don't don't put your life savings on
Speaker 4: something like this, but a couple bucks at twenty two
Speaker 4: hundred at that point, I mean, you know, obviously you
Speaker 4: were laughing come come draft day, if you if you
Speaker 4: got on that train early.
Speaker 1: How does this compare to other drafts that we've seen
Speaker 1: in the NBA, because it feels like most are pretty
Speaker 1: consensus number, Like I'm thinking about the Zion draft. There
Speaker 1: was nothing that anyone could do to get me to
Speaker 1: draft any to get me to put money on anyone
Speaker 1: but Zion. And so how does what we saw last
Speaker 1: night compared to maybe what you've seen in prior drafts?
Speaker 4: You are absolutely correct, right, I think this was the
Speaker 4: first draft in a little bit that we have seen
Speaker 4: a little bit of skepticism over like who who is
Speaker 4: the true number one here?
Speaker 3: Right and there?
Speaker 4: There wasn't any clear sign that it is this guy.
Speaker 4: So no, this this was unique. This, this, wanted to
Speaker 4: be very honest with you, reminded me of of certain
Speaker 4: NFL drafts where there isn't that top flight quarterback right
Speaker 4: whenever you have the top quarterback, you know, you know
Speaker 4: who's going number one. But this reminded me of that
Speaker 4: where it was all of a sudden, you know there.
Speaker 4: I know Chat didn't really ever see like you know,
Speaker 4: his odds short in a ton, but.
Speaker 1: I think plus one eighty all the way down to
Speaker 1: one ten back up the plus four hundred up to
Speaker 1: twenty two hundred on draft day, So a little.
Speaker 4: Some some movement there, right, But he he What I
Speaker 4: was saying is essentially he never became a favorite, right
Speaker 4: like he there there there wasn't this swing to Chat wolveson.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, it very well could have
Speaker 4: been Chet as well, like there were there were three
Speaker 4: guys that really it could have been any one of these, right,
Speaker 4: And no that this was truly unique. And this is
Speaker 4: you know, you get these betting opportunities very seldomly, you know,
Speaker 4: these these types of things, don't. I mean that the
Speaker 4: draft itself only shows up once a year, and like
Speaker 4: you said, most are you know, consensus, there's a number one,
Speaker 4: this guy's going. Don't waste your money on anything else, right,
Speaker 4: So no, I mean to your to your point before
Speaker 4: it's you know, understand when there is uncertainty and capitalize.
Speaker 1: Do you think this changes how information like the news
Speaker 1: information business around events like the draft? Like, does this
Speaker 1: put does this put pressure on maybe making these non
Speaker 1: sporting sporting events illegal nationwide because they are so predicated
Speaker 1: on information and not something that's like completely unpredictable, given
Speaker 1: that there's already five states, including New York, where it's
Speaker 1: not legal.
Speaker 4: So I personally don't believe we're going to see this
Speaker 4: this mass rush to like, hey, let's not offer odds here.
Speaker 3: This is just too much.
Speaker 4: I think the you know, the moves we'll see are
Speaker 4: are likely going to be you know, there's some states
Speaker 4: that basically shut shut it down like twenty four hours prior.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: That's that's one step I think we would see well
Speaker 4: before anything like that. The other one is just cap
Speaker 4: in the bets, right, like take you know, and they
Speaker 4: already do to an extent. You know, every sportsbook has
Speaker 4: the right to refuse any bet that you come to
Speaker 4: them with, and they do you know, if you showed
Speaker 4: up with you know, half a million dollars on Paolo,
Speaker 4: I don't think any sportsbook would have taken at.
Speaker 1: Twenty two to one.
Speaker 4: They're like, nah, dog, no, chance, right, No, nobody wants
Speaker 4: that liability.
Speaker 1: Would they let me ask you a quick follow up question,
Speaker 1: would they move the line even if they didn't take
Speaker 1: the bet? Just like say I gets them five, I
Speaker 1: want to put five hundred thousand dollars on Palo twenty
Speaker 1: two to one. They turn me away? Do then the
Speaker 1: traders go back into a little powwow and say, holy shit,
Speaker 1: we there's something that might be don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that in itself may not move the line
Speaker 4: right away, but that's gonna put high alert on that
Speaker 4: line all of a sudden, and you're gonna have somebody
Speaker 4: watching that line and watching every bet from there out
Speaker 4: that comes in on that line, right and and yeah,
Speaker 4: your your your next bet on that draft is not
Speaker 4: gonna be accepted as quickly as it would have been
Speaker 4: ten minutes ago. Right, So it may not shut it down,
Speaker 4: but high alert that that that's gonna get the attention.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: So, you know, those are the moves I think we
Speaker 4: would see right just and and and we already do see.
Speaker 3: Them to an extent. They just may continue moving in
Speaker 3: that direction.
Speaker 4: Maybe you're you know, they take less you know, five
Speaker 4: figure bets, four figure bets on these types of events, right,
Speaker 4: I don't think we'll they take they take too much handle,
Speaker 4: you know, for for what it is, like it's it's
Speaker 4: worth it for them.
Speaker 1: Right. So, Adrian wolj Jzanowski, as well as Sham Sharanya
Speaker 1: to the top newsbreakers in the business have been courted.
Speaker 1: It's no secret they're being courted by books. How does
Speaker 1: this change if woj is working for someone like points Bet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I mean that's an interesting one in in
Speaker 3: my opinion here, you know, and I think what what
Speaker 3: we all hope this means is just that his information
Speaker 3: goes to the books first.
Speaker 1: Right, That's what they're paying the seven million dollars or
Speaker 1: whatever it is for.
Speaker 4: And and that's it, and it's it's basically before you
Speaker 4: go public, it's hey, just let us know so that
Speaker 4: we can put our line either on alert, we can
Speaker 4: move it, or we can just take it down.
Speaker 3: Right, And uh so, what what does that do?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: As a better it gives you less opportunities to expose
Speaker 4: a bad line. But again, as we've said, like this
Speaker 4: is only like the informational based betting events too, right,
Speaker 4: so you know, sure Woh might have an injury to
Speaker 4: report ahead of time, right. I feel there's I feel
Speaker 4: there's enough people that are, you know, privy to that
Speaker 4: information that you'll still get it in a reasonable time,
Speaker 4: you know, And when it comes to a single game
Speaker 4: like that, there's enough handle on it that you're not
Speaker 4: going to instantly start moving that line. So you know,
Speaker 4: it does though, it will limit your opportunities to expose
Speaker 4: a bad line.
Speaker 1: Do you think what we saw was good for basketball
Speaker 1: or bad for basketball?
Speaker 4: I thought it was good, So I mean, I'll be
Speaker 4: very honest with you, and and just again from I
Speaker 4: hate to keep calling back to the NFL here. I'm
Speaker 4: sure you know I'm a bit NFL fan. The NFL
Speaker 4: Draft for me anyways, and I think for most Americans
Speaker 4: as well, is a much bigger event than the NBA
Speaker 4: Draft is, you know, and the betting handle says so
Speaker 4: as well. You know, the Johnny Avello was on talking
Speaker 4: about the NFL Draft being at least three times the
Speaker 4: handle of the the NBA Draft, you know. So I
Speaker 4: feel it was good. I feel all this because I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, every time someone sees a long shot win, right,
Speaker 4: their head gets filled with that could be me, you know,
Speaker 4: next time, maybe maybe that could be me. Maybe I
Speaker 4: could be that lottery winner next time, right, So I.
Speaker 3: Think it's great for basketball.
Speaker 4: I think it will drive a little more interest in
Speaker 4: next year's draft and you know, specifically betting on the
Speaker 4: draft as well, right, which I mean that drives a
Speaker 4: lot of interest.
Speaker 1: We saw a trade before the draft, Christian Wood got
Speaker 1: moved based on the perception, the false perception that Jabari
Speaker 1: was a lock to go number one, that Carol was
Speaker 1: going to be there for Houston at number three. Does
Speaker 1: this does that change like pre draft trades from got
Speaker 1: from teams in the lottery perhaps, Like how do you
Speaker 1: think this changes? I guess how how teams communicate with
Speaker 1: one another, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean?
Speaker 4: I think that was always a concern, you know, like
Speaker 4: that was always a risk that that they were taking
Speaker 4: in doing so, right, And I would you know, be
Speaker 4: willing to bet money that this isn't the first time
Speaker 4: that you know, one team maybe fed another team that
Speaker 4: information about what they were doing. You know, I don't
Speaker 4: think that's that's never happened before. So I you know what,
Speaker 4: I I don't I don't think that has any effect.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, Houston maybe.
Speaker 4: Got burned a little bit, but I think they're gonna
Speaker 4: be okay to borri Ma.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at odds now for Rookie of the Year,
Speaker 1: and I see that Paolo ban Cao is the odds
Speaker 1: on favorite plus three hundred. Why does this say he's
Speaker 1: in Detroit. That's so weird. Anyway, that's strange. Palo ban
Speaker 1: Caro plus plus three hundred. The longest odd that I
Speaker 1: see on sports betting Dime is Jalen Duran at thirty
Speaker 1: to one. I'm curious, though, for those who have never
Speaker 1: bet on Rookie of the Year before, what's the smartest
Speaker 1: strategy to bet on that?
Speaker 4: So in in my opinion, here from what I've seen,
Speaker 4: and you know, I've I've been tracking these Rookie of
Speaker 4: the Year odds for about six years now, right, It
Speaker 4: ultimately the main factor is points, sadly, right, which you know,
Speaker 4: I think a lot of the basketball purists get a
Speaker 4: little upset over this. You know, there's there's a lot
Speaker 4: that goes into the game that you know, and points
Speaker 4: is the sexy stat, right, And it's it's points. It's
Speaker 4: highlight reel plays. You know, how how many times are
Speaker 4: you gonna see Jabbari throwing down on on you know,
Speaker 4: some some big forward.
Speaker 3: As well.
Speaker 4: As they're there, they're recently, what I've seen is some
Speaker 4: team success go into it, though, you know, and I
Speaker 4: team team success comes in when there isn't a clear
Speaker 4: cut super sexy point scorer, highlight reel, most night player,
Speaker 4: then it deffers to and And I mean, I think
Speaker 4: that's what you saw with Scottie Barx this this past year,
Speaker 4: winning winning Rookie of the Year, right you looked at
Speaker 4: the Raptors and said he wasn't really key piece in
Speaker 4: getting them to the playoffs going from you know, picking
Speaker 4: was at four uh to up into the playoffs there,
Speaker 4: you know, so, yeah, he played a massive role on
Speaker 4: that team, and all of a sudden, I think for
Speaker 4: the first time in a while, we saw that come
Speaker 4: into play.
Speaker 3: But for the.
Speaker 4: Most part, I think you're looking at which which player
Speaker 4: is going to be on the floor and score.
Speaker 3: I'm betting, I'm betting, and Jamari.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm take me through the reason the reasoning
Speaker 1: for that. Jabari obviously on the on the Houston Rocket's
Speaker 1: going to be playing alongside Jalen Green, a noted chucker
Speaker 1: willing passer, but noted Chucker can put up you know
Speaker 1: ten threes a night. Kevin Porter Junior, another noted chucker
Speaker 1: on that team as well, will shoot from anywhere, not
Speaker 1: a willing passer. So take me through kind of your
Speaker 1: strategy on how you get to Jabbari.
Speaker 3: So right away, I look, you know, looking at the
Speaker 3: favorite Paalo there. I don't love him in that.
Speaker 4: Offense necessarily, and what I mean, I don't love his usage.
Speaker 4: There's a lot that, like I think, Orlando has this
Speaker 4: idea that they're gonna compete this year a little bit,
Speaker 4: you know, which I see you laugh at and I
Speaker 4: kind of do internally too, because it's the Orlando magic
Speaker 4: and we haven't seen them really do that in a
Speaker 4: long time now. But there's a lot of players in
Speaker 4: Orlando that want the ball as well, and especially if
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, like Markel Foltz has like a
Speaker 4: summer where all of a sudden he finds himself again
Speaker 4: and now of a sudden, you've got just all these
Speaker 4: guys that want to get their own I mean, that's
Speaker 4: a full that's a loaded roster of young, hungry players there, right.
Speaker 4: So I'm out on him, and his odds are just
Speaker 4: a little little too short for me. With with his
Speaker 4: situation looking around elsewhere, Chat, I have fears over him
Speaker 4: just in the NBA in general. You know, his his
Speaker 4: weight worries me a little bit, and and just how yeah,
Speaker 4: how thin he is, how lean he is. So I
Speaker 4: don't know what that's gonna look like in the NBA,
Speaker 4: I have. I have some doubts there admittedly, So you know,
Speaker 4: looking basically, I look at those top three guys because
Speaker 4: I think they stand above the rest and and and
Speaker 4: you know, those those are, yeah, in my opinion, the
Speaker 4: kind of top tier guys. And I do look to Houston,
Speaker 4: and that's a situation where you have a team there
Speaker 4: that isn't too far removed from being championship contenders year
Speaker 4: in year out, right, And I think you have a
Speaker 4: like that that's that's still a proud team that wants
Speaker 4: to get back to competing. And I think they've seen
Speaker 4: they can't do that playing basketball the way they did
Speaker 4: the way that you just mentioned them doing. And I
Speaker 4: think there's going to be a very concerted effort from
Speaker 4: the coaching staff to get the ball into Jabbari's hands
Speaker 4: and to be a little more efficient offensively. You know,
Speaker 4: it's very efficient throwing down dunks, so I think we're
Speaker 4: gonna see a lot of Jabbari this year.
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna see the offense run.
Speaker 4: Through Jabbari a little more than some expect, because, like
Speaker 4: I said, I know, I mean Jalen Green shot taker.
Speaker 4: I think Houston's I think Houston's gonna do everything they
Speaker 4: can to put the ball through Jabari's hands. And I
Speaker 4: think he'll be, you know, a little similar to Scottie
Speaker 4: in Toronto, where he's almost like the focal point of
Speaker 4: the offense. He may not score all the points, but
Speaker 4: I think the ball is gonna run through him pretty consistently.
Speaker 1: If if Bradley Beal ends up leaving Washington, is there
Speaker 1: a chance that the line moves on Johnny Davis? It's
Speaker 1: plus two thousand now, so wow, yeah, that's a great value.
Speaker 1: So would you take a flyer? And also, on top
Speaker 1: of Johnny Davis, are there any other So I guess
Speaker 1: the two part of question, any other long shots that
Speaker 1: you absolutely love and then long shots that you would
Speaker 1: absolutely stay away from outside of maybe Mark Williams and
Speaker 1: Jalen Durn because of the usage rate.
Speaker 4: So Johnny Davis isn't is a very interesting name there, right,
Speaker 4: And I just have my concerns, like is Bradley Beal
Speaker 4: really leaving?
Speaker 3: And you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: At plus two thousand, I absolutely think that's worth a
Speaker 4: little sprinkle. It's not something that I would put a
Speaker 4: ton on there, because I mean, the whole Bradley Beal
Speaker 4: situation is just again it's another one of these like
Speaker 4: NBA draft things like I don't think any but he
Speaker 4: knows the real truth.
Speaker 3: Here, you know.
Speaker 4: And and again I don't like betting a lot of
Speaker 4: money on things that I have no idea about, right.
Speaker 3: So when it comes to other long shots, I'm just
Speaker 3: pulling on the board here.
Speaker 4: There's honestly, there's not a ton of names far down
Speaker 4: the board that grab my attention.
Speaker 1: What about how are you feeling about Shaden Sharp in Portland?
Speaker 4: So, I mean, funny enough, I was just about to
Speaker 4: mention Benedict Mathrin because I wanted him to end up
Speaker 4: in Portland. That that like that that I thought was
Speaker 4: a really ideal fit. And if he ended up there,
Speaker 4: he I think I would have been betting Benedict Mathron,
Speaker 4: Shade and Sharp, I think at twelve to one, same
Speaker 4: things similar to Johnny Davis, where I think it's worth
Speaker 4: a little sprinkle. I'm not I'm not putting a ton
Speaker 4: on on that, but he's He's probably as far down
Speaker 4: the board as I would look, which isn't far, I know,
Speaker 4: but I like it. I mean, you know, Dame wants
Speaker 4: to win now, for Portland to win. I do think
Speaker 4: Dame's going to be taking the final shot every game,
Speaker 4: you know, and I think that is the best thing
Speaker 4: for Portland. As you know, I think we probably all
Speaker 4: agree with We've seen over the years what that looks like.
Speaker 4: So I do if you're looking, if you're looking outside
Speaker 4: the top tier, I think Shaden Sharp is the the
Speaker 4: you know, best candidate there for you know, a little
Speaker 4: bit of a long shot.
Speaker 1: Matt. When are we gonna get Kyrie destination odds? Kdie
Speaker 1: destination odds? What's up with that?
Speaker 4: So, you know what, those are always interesting that, you know,
Speaker 4: the books. I do feel the books kind of trying
Speaker 4: to slide those in there real quick, and you know,
Speaker 4: don't they don't make it super public because.
Speaker 1: They never promote it.
Speaker 3: No, and there's a.
Speaker 4: Reason they don't want, you know know, first bet in
Speaker 4: to be you know, one hundred thousand dollars on some
Speaker 4: guy who knows Kevin Durant and you know.
Speaker 3: Knows where he's going.
Speaker 4: The books aren't going to open anything there until they
Speaker 4: feel they have enough information, right, and again.
Speaker 3: Who knows when that is?
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you had to ask me, I honestly, I
Speaker 4: don't know that we even see any Durant. Odds, I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: I it wouldn't surprise me if we see some Kyrie.
Speaker 4: But I think they'll come late, like there'll there'll there
Speaker 4: will be an announcement and and and they'll come late.
Speaker 1: So if you have an idea of where you think
Speaker 1: KD Kyrie end up, would you then just place I
Speaker 1: guess back back in backing into it and just place
Speaker 1: future future bets on you know, futures bets on teams.
Speaker 4: That's what I would recommend, because I mean the other
Speaker 4: thing too that you're dealing with there is similar to
Speaker 4: the NBA draft, where I mean, if you want to
Speaker 4: lay a big chunk of money on something like that,
Speaker 4: decent chance they're not taking your bet, right, So I
Speaker 4: wouldn't wait if you have some credible information on.
Speaker 3: Where one or both may go.
Speaker 4: The futures market is a little better there, and again
Speaker 4: maybe not even the the championship futures, but you know,
Speaker 4: look into division if win totals come out, you know
Speaker 4: in time for that, you know that that's in my opinion,
Speaker 4: one of I know it's not the lottery ticket that
Speaker 4: a lot of people like, right, but that's that's one
Speaker 4: that that you know a little more certainty around that,
Speaker 4: a little better probability of actually hitting that bet.
Speaker 1: Final question, I guess, as you said, if you have
Speaker 1: more definitive information, then you know, maybe you can go
Speaker 1: ahead and place a bed on X, Y or z
Speaker 1: because you know something that others don't know. How do
Speaker 1: books from your perspective, keep it keep track on? You
Speaker 1: know who they can limit as a as a better
Speaker 1: like you know, can woj bet, can Sham's bet? Can
Speaker 1: Jerry West bet? You know what? What where are we
Speaker 1: at in terms of the murkiness of I know Calvin
Speaker 1: Ridley can't bet, he cannot anyone, but but like, where's
Speaker 1: the line here?
Speaker 4: So, from from my understanding, the leagues are submitting names
Speaker 4: at this point.
Speaker 3: Now again, don't don't quote me on.
Speaker 1: This because as you're live on the broadcast.
Speaker 4: If it hasn't happened yet, it's going to start happening. There,
Speaker 4: there's gonna be names and and you know, the the
Speaker 4: onus in the past has just always been on like
Speaker 4: the teams, the leagues, right, and the sports books were
Speaker 4: doing a favor, you know that, like the Calvin Ridley thing.
Speaker 4: Like they basically said, hey, like sure, we'll take your bet,
Speaker 4: but like we gotta go notify the NFL of this, right,
Speaker 4: Like all these leagues are getting money from these sports books.
Speaker 4: They're partnered with the sports books, right, So I mean
Speaker 4: they don't want that, like they these both sides want
Speaker 4: this to be a nice, clean, uh trustworthy, credible partnership here, right,
Speaker 4: They don't want this drama. So it's you know, it's
Speaker 4: growing into a partnership here of hey, here's here's you know,
Speaker 4: names do not take these or on the sportsbook side,
Speaker 4: if somebody slips in, yeah, Jerry West slips in and
Speaker 4: makes a bet, they might call the NBA and say, hey,
Speaker 4: what's up here, like, you know, should should we take this?
Speaker 3: Should?
Speaker 4: I mean, they can always cancel a bet after it's made, right,
Speaker 4: So it's it is it's getting to a point where
Speaker 4: where the two sides are really going to start working
Speaker 4: together and and they have to because you know, you
Speaker 4: you there's already enough skepticism around, you know, sports betting
Speaker 4: and just nervousness around or what is this doing to
Speaker 4: the to the integrity of the game, right, And.
Speaker 3: Neither side wants that.
Speaker 4: Neither side wants these questions, So it will it's going
Speaker 4: to continue just growing into this nice shared partnership of hey,
Speaker 4: don't let this person bet Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome stuff, Matt, Thank you so much for joining us, sir.
Speaker 1: We'll have to do it later on this season when
Speaker 1: Kyrie ends up somewhere and Katie either ends up somewhere
Speaker 1: or he doesn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, my pleasure.
Speaker 4: Trist I had one for you. I think I saw
Speaker 4: you liked my Toronto Raptors. Christian Kloka, Oh.
Speaker 1: My god, that's a great pickup. He is right, He's
Speaker 1: exactly what Massi wants. Massi likes international players. He likes
Speaker 1: players who are a long and athletic who can switch
Speaker 1: on defense. Christian coloco I pegged Arizona as being one
Speaker 1: of the surprise teams of this year before they even
Speaker 1: played a regular season game because of what you know
Speaker 1: you're seeing from the coaching staff coming from Gonzaga and
Speaker 1: some of these other guys. So I watched a lot
Speaker 1: of Christian Cloaco and I was impressed by him. He's
Speaker 1: he's an athletic freak. I think that was a very
Speaker 1: underrated such a Toronto pick, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he didn't have to give up OG andob to
Speaker 1: us in order to get what you wanted.
Speaker 3: I'm really happy we did. I'm really happy. I love
Speaker 3: O G.
Speaker 4: But I mean that that was a big hole on
Speaker 4: the Raptors roster. We didn't have that big kind of
Speaker 4: banger to play at center. And funny enough, I'm with
Speaker 4: some bachelor party here for the weekend and a bunch
Speaker 4: of Raptors fanned around fans around me. Here, there's people
Speaker 4: here who are more excited about the Ron Harper Junior signing.
Speaker 4: That's a big one too, So like they're they're they're
Speaker 4: going wild out there about Ron Harper Junior. And I'm
Speaker 4: in here at saying I don't not that I don't
Speaker 4: like Ron Harper JUNR. But I'm the one, like I'm
Speaker 4: the quiet voice here saying, hey, Christian Cloaco, I think
Speaker 4: is gonna gonna do sometthing't.
Speaker 1: Sleep, do not sleep. He's gonna he might start at five.
Speaker 4: I agree with you as much as I like what
Speaker 4: precious kind of broad he's He's a little undersized, you know.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, at least you have someone who can bang with
Speaker 1: Joel Embid.
Speaker 3: Now that's what they need.
Speaker 1: Precious to chew is cute and all against the Warriors,
Speaker 1: but sometimes you need that defensive versatility against guys like
Speaker 1: you know, Jojo, against guys like you know, the Lopez,
Speaker 1: Any Lopez and.
Speaker 4: Exactly he's great to throw on Yannis who you know. Sure,
Speaker 4: go ahead, Darren to shoot shoot the three, you know,
Speaker 4: but that length to put on him. Yeah, absolutely, I'm
Speaker 4: with you.
Speaker 1: Tris, Go Raptors, Go Raptors. Have a great one. Enjoy
Speaker 1: the Bachelor party. We will talk to you soon, sir.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much Chris for talk.
Speaker 1: Thank you. This is all the time that we have.
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