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Speaker 2: Job the COOKTUFA.

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Speaker 2: You're your hosts, John Nick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 6: Appreciate you being with us. Monday, March twenty ninth, twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty one, it's episode two ninety four of the Annik

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Speaker 6: and Florian podcast. Always there a lot to get into today,

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Speaker 6: Ken Flow, I'm looking live at the newest member of

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Speaker 6: the PFL broadcasting team, Ken Flow. Some breaking news last week. Congratulations.

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Speaker 6: So is this a fight contract as well?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's a It's an eight fight deal. I'll

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Speaker 2: be fighting in eight different way class. I can't wait.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm old, John, I'm forty four years old. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to be forty five later on this year. No good

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Speaker 6: There was no talk about competing.

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Speaker 2: I had heard they want to fight. I had heard

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Speaker 2: they wanted you to fight. There was no talk about competing.

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Speaker 2: But I will be doing commentary and I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 2: And uh yeah man, it's been a while. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: here we are here. We go well in some respects.

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Speaker 6: Obviously it's bittersweet for me because it means for the

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Speaker 6: length of your contract in mind, we will not be

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Speaker 6: calling fights together. But I don't know that there is

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Speaker 6: anybody out there happier than me, that a man whom

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Speaker 6: I hold in such high regard, not just as a

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Speaker 6: human being, much better guy than me. Like people think

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Speaker 6: I'm a nice guy, they don't see the real me.

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Speaker 6: But no, I just hold you in such high regard

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Speaker 6: as an analyst, and it's so obvious that you should

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Speaker 6: nobody happier than me. Clark Flory and Kenny's wife might

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Speaker 6: be happier. So a lot to get into today. Ray

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Speaker 6: Longo will join us, Brian Stan will join us. I

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Speaker 6: will tell you we taped that earlier. Audio wasn't great,

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Speaker 6: the future for Francis and Ganu. But let us get

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Speaker 6: into headlines. And we'll begin with the new undisputed UFC

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Speaker 6: Heavyweight Champion of the World, Cameroonian Francis and Ghanu Kenny.

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Speaker 6: When he made his UFC debut in the Great State

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Speaker 2: That is just amazing. You know, I did not think

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Speaker 6: it is amazing to watch this man fight live. You know,

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Speaker 6: oftentimes I say I watch the monitor eighty five percent

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Speaker 2: Ken Flow.

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Speaker 6: A lot of people were casting doubt on his training

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Speaker 6: He fought at UFC two forty nine last year, Ken Flow.

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Speaker 6: He's been waiting for this championship opportunity. Again, it's a

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Speaker 2: No doubt, they've clearly done a great job in getting

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Speaker 2: kind of massacring guys in with relative ease, right and

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Speaker 2: I've probably haven't called a UFC made event prediction correctly

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Speaker 2: since twenty nineteen. But still, you know, the fact that

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Speaker 2: very impressive because, as I was saying before, you know, John,

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Speaker 2: have better jiu jitsu in three months. A little bit,

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Speaker 2: fact he's able to do this, because I'd imagine it's

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Speaker 2: not an easy thing to get frans Sinngano training partners,

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Speaker 6: There's not a whole lot of it, right, So kamara

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Speaker 6: Usman is a stabilizing force in this corner as well.

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Speaker 6: And there's a huge, huge value for Francis and being

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Speaker 6: I know for you, getting all those reps with George

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Speaker 6: But Kumaru is such a sort of has such a

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Speaker 6: But he just he seems to also have a lot

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Speaker 6: I've never seen anything like Francis. You know, I haven't

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Speaker 6: seen very many fighters as good as Steepe, granted, but

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Speaker 2: He seems like a such a great guy. I think

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Speaker 2: And man, what a performance on Saturday Night.

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Speaker 6: He's built like an NFL defensive end. And I can

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Speaker 6: God help every NFL quarterback. But say, hey, Francis, can

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Speaker 6: you do me a favor. Go get the quarterback? Okay?

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Speaker 6: But I'm just so happy for the man, and we're

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Speaker 6: I think you crystallized a lot of things for me, right,

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Speaker 6: like who you're throwing John Jones in there? That's going

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Speaker 2: But I think that's wise in some respects.

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Speaker 6: But I don't know. I think you might just see

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Speaker 2: I do think I think that John Jones does have

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's that So it's amazing how he's out

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Speaker 6: I want to read this tweet from Macmaley MMA and

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Speaker 6: I quote I already think he is. But if John

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Speaker 6: want to hear shit about Peka Graham's or criminal records.

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Speaker 5: Ever.

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Speaker 6: Again, might as well write down Jones as the goat

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Speaker 6: I don't want to hear anything else about anybody else,

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Speaker 2: I think it would be hard to debate, you know,

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Speaker 6: So, if you are molding a fighter to beat Francis

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Speaker 6: Are you trying?

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Speaker 7: The X men right.

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Speaker 2: Listen, It's gonna take someone who is kind of unconventional

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a grappler. Whether they exist right

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Speaker 6: Ken Flow wants to see the forty five year old

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Speaker 6: Alexi Olenic versus Francis and Donald. What are you trying

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Speaker 2: He could do it, bro He just needs one shot.

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Speaker 6: There are websites out there who are going to write

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Speaker 2: I'm actually training him for anyone who wants the news,

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Speaker 6: Anny is my chief corner, so he can.

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Speaker 7: Tell you about we're doing an embedded series.

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Speaker 6: Actually, Kenny can tell you about all the skilled development

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Speaker 6: My jab has improved though, for the record, but no,

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Speaker 6: anything is possible. To quote the great Kevin Garnett. And

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Speaker 6: could I find myself in a combat sports setting with

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Speaker 6: But dude, like, literally after that Instagram post, I had

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, is this really happening right now? Here's the deal.

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Speaker 6: If I could get my brain cleared right and again

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Speaker 2: You can get it okay.

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Speaker 6: If my brain is cleared, you read get it too, okay.

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Speaker 6: And thanks to Ricky Simon and the UFC fighters for

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Speaker 2: I was like, Joe, don't worry.

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Speaker 6: I got no skills. This is not something we have

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Speaker 6: to worry about for a couple of years, all right.

436
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 6: So I think we've exhausted a lot of angles on

437
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 6: the Francis and Ghanu thing. But I just give Stepe

438
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 6: so much credit, not just for the legacy but for

439
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 6: accepting the fight. And Stepe was in the physically the

440
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 6: best shape of his life going into the third fight

441
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 6: with Daniel Cormier, best shape of his life. And I

442
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 6: think even for this training camp, he left no stone unturned.

443
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 6: He told us in the fighter meeting he tries to

444
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 6: be perfect in training camp, and I think his coaches

445
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 6: sort of intimate largely he was but you know, sometimes

446
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 6: you're just in there with a guy who is just

447
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 6: too big and too powerful, and it just didn't go

448
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 6: stepe A's way. But I just give him a lot

449
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 6: of credit for accepting the rematch because you know, I

450
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 6: know people feel like he kind of had to do it,

451
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 6: but didn't necessarily have to take that fight, right, Yeah.

452
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Speaker 2: He didn't. Listen, Steve A's not cut from that mold, though,

453
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 2: you know, you know, he was going to take that

454
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 2: fight and kind of needed to for for for a

455
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: lot of things, you know, for a lot of reasons,

456
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 2: but you know, for steep A. You know, I think

457
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: Stan said it best and and they'll hear it later.

458
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 2: But frances and Ghanuho just kind of has that superpower.

459
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: All he needs to do was touch you at least once.

460
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 2: That's it, and he can put anybody out in the world.

461
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: And you know, I think that's what it came down to.

462
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: Steve A got caught. His defense, you know, isn't necessarily

463
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 2: his strong suit. I think the fact that he wasn't

464
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: able to take him down and then got taken down

465
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: after really threw him off that much more. And he

466
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: just never really created any momentum in that fight. And

467
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 2: that's because Francis and Ganu was the guy who really

468
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 2: was flawless. He was the guy that was perfect out there,

469
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: and yeah, just thwarted all of Stepe's best attempts.

470
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Speaker 6: Do you think Francis could knock I know, he could

471
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Speaker 6: knock me unconscious with an open handed slap. Do you

472
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Speaker 6: think he could knock any of these other heavyweights out

473
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 6: with just an open handed slap like with his UFC

474
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 6: glove on dude.

475
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Speaker 2: For anyone who has ever shaken Francis and gon Who's hand,

476
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is massive. He's a huge dude. Yeah, yeah, probably,

477
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 2: I mean see, I mean it wouldn't be fun taking

478
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: that shot. He would probably get you to step in

479
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: a few potholes after. I don't know if he'd put

480
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: you out out, but he would rock a lot of

481
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: dudes with an open hand slap.

482
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Speaker 6: I was very starstruck the first time I met rock

483
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 6: Lesner and brock Lesner's hand it's big top to bottom, right,

484
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 6: but it doesn't crawl up to your elbow. I mean,

485
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 6: you shake Francis and ghan in his hand, dude grabs

486
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 6: your arm, you know. But just so many good things

487
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 6: to say about him and there were times where maybe

488
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 6: he uh, he was a little bit arrogant in certain

489
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 6: maybe dealings with the UFC, But overall, this man is

490
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 6: just dripping with class and humility, and he has a

491
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Speaker 6: special bond with Eric Nixon's son Knox that is just

492
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Speaker 6: really cool. And I'm I'm just so happy for him

493
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 6: and can't wait to see all the good that this

494
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 6: man is going to do. And I can't wait to

495
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 6: see him fight John Jones. Many believe that that would

496
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 6: upsee k Abie versus Connor as the singular biggest fight

497
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 6: in the UFC. Could you imagine? Could you imagine? And

498
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 6: thankfully it won't be happening in a in a twenty

499
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 6: five footer at the Apex.

500
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Speaker 2: You know, Well, that's the thing, man. I can't wait

501
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: to see that fight and the build up to that

502
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: fight and just how intriguing that that whole thing is.

503
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Speaker 2: That's the one that needs to be made, I mean

504
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 2: hopefully and the next year. Yeah, oh okay, so yeah,

505
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 2: we'll see.

506
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think it's gonna be a while this year,

507
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 6: maybe end of this year. Sorry, I think it is

508
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 6: going to be a while though, but I do think

509
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 6: maybe December with maybe and Agano Lewis fight in there.

510
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 6: But again, Derek Lewis could could get in the.

511
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: Way of this.

512
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Speaker 6: You know, who knows excuse me, what Stepe is going

513
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 6: to do. But I think you'll see him as he

514
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 6: has done repeatedly recently. Take about a year or at

515
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 6: least nine months or so, and and and wait and

516
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 6: see what happens.

517
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Speaker 2: But uh, what a main event.

518
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 6: Well man, it's so right because like you hear us

519
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 6: talk about it on the broadcast, and you know this,

520
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 6: Kenny as well as anybody. Like, I'm just nervous as

521
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 6: a fan. I am not anxious, nor is Joe Rogan

522
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 6: as a broadcaster. But we are fans. If I was

523
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 6: sitting home watching the UFC Heavyweight Championship fight, I would

524
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 6: be anxious as hell. It's like waking up on Super

525
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 6: Bowl Sunday, Like Joe says, he wakes up anxious, Like

526
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 6: we don't wake up anxious because we're afraid we're gonna

527
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 6: have a bad show. It's the magnitude of the sporting

528
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 6: event that we're about to witness, whether we're in the

529
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Speaker 6: building or not.

530
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Speaker 2: You know, well, I think again, that's kind of that

531
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Speaker 2: same energy that Mike Tyson used to bring into the ring, right.

532
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: It's like you know that there's a strong possibility that

533
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 2: someone's face is going to get broken or might get broken.

534
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: Frances and Ghanno's that kind of guy where if he

535
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 2: hits you again, you may not be the same. He's

536
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: a massive guy. He has tremendous speed and power and

537
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: with four ounce gloves. Man, I mean that that is

538
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: a scary proposition for anybody to be standing across from

539
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 2: that man. It's like a rocket launch.

540
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 6: You're just holding your breath hoping that something really catastrophic

541
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 6: doesn't happen. It happened, and something catastrophics certainly happened a

542
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 6: couple things on this UFC two to sixty card as well.

543
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 6: And again, if you were Cody, think I missed something

544
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 6: on Angano Steepe will circle back to it with Ray.

545
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 6: Towards the end of the show, Vicente Luke and Tyron Woodley.

546
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 6: The Fight of the Night only lasted three minutes and

547
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 6: fifty six seconds. One thing I sort of gleaned from

548
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 6: talking to Tyron midweek, and I think you sort of

549
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 6: felt like this was going to happen. Your tweets reference

550
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 6: this as well, felt like you had to get an

551
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 6: aggressive Tyron Woodley. He had heard enough from the Boo

552
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 6: Birds about his desire to spend his back up against

553
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 6: the fence for three straight fights and to sort of

554
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 6: extend guys without trying to beat them in his last

555
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 6: three fights. So Tyron went for it, almost got it done,

556
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 6: but he paid a dear price, and it's a four

557
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 6: fight losing streak for Woodley and Vicente. Luke, to your tweet,

558
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 6: is now a bona fide UFC Walter Waken.

559
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Speaker 2: That's right, listen. Luk was gonna be a tough out

560
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: for Tyron. Luke has always been one of those guys

561
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: offensively who is a lot to deal with. He does

562
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: get hit at times, and he did against Tyron, but man,

563
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 2: he's got a chin from hell. He has tremendous determination

564
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: and heart, and he was able to survive those flurries

565
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 2: from Woodley and come back and get the knockout himself.

566
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 2: And man, it was a very exciting fight, and at

567
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: the very least, I think for Tyron, you wanted to

568
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: see him. I wanted to see him go out there

569
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: and really show what he was capable of. Now, I

570
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: think he got a little careless there against Luka of course,

571
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: but to see his fighting spirit come out. I think

572
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: that's really what we all wanted to see. We knew

573
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Speaker 2: that that Tyron was in there, and we hadn't seen

574
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: that for a long time. And you know, when that

575
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: spark goes out, it's tough to get it back. And

576
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: the fact that he was able to get it and

577
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: go out there and fight, I guess inspired that was

578
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: good to see and it showed that Tyron still wants

579
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: to go out there and fight. He still has that

580
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: fighting spirit and and to me, that was a good

581
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: sign despite the you know, him coming up with the Elbert.

582
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Speaker 6: I want to see Tyron Woodleigh again and I hope

583
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 6: it's in the UFC. Are you of that same opinion

584
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 6: based upon what you saw this weekend?

585
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: I would love to see him in the UFC. You know, obviously,

586
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: he is a former champion in that division. He fought

587
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: some of the best and beat some of the best,

588
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: and I think he showed that he still wants to

589
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: do this in this fight. I don't know if that's

590
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: gonna happen, though, I think that you know, he has

591
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: had some dealings with the UFC where they have butted

592
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: heads over the years. I don't know what's going to

593
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: happen moving forward. You know, certainly, you know, having some losses,

594
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: you know, consistent losses in the UFC isn't a good thing,

595
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: even for a former champion. But I don't know. I

596
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: don't know exactly what the future holds for Tyrant. But

597
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: whatever it is, I hope that you know, he's passionate

598
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: about it and he's going to give his best effort

599
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: like he did on Saturday night. Unfortunately he came up short.

600
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: That's what happens in the fight game. And big time

601
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: kudos to VINCENTE.

602
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Speaker 4: Luke.

603
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Speaker 6: And how about Ken Flow? With Ink still wet on

604
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 6: his PFL contract, you know, he could have easily been

605
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 6: like he wants to go to the PFL, let's go

606
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 6: to the DFL.

607
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: Might go to the PFL to.

608
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Speaker 6: Align with Ken Flip. I think we all want to

609
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 6: be aligned with the Flow. So I used to say

610
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 6: that Damian Maya was where all UFC welterweight winning streaks

611
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 6: went to die. Now that distinction belongs to Stephen WonderBoy

612
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 6: Thompson right, Jeff Neo Vicente Luke right. So that's the

613
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 6: one loss that Luke has had recently. Otherwise he would

614
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 6: be on very much a championship trajectory. And I don't

615
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 6: have to tell a lot of our listeners what he

616
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 6: has accomplished in terms of the finishes, right, I mean, dude,

617
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 6: beat Thiago Maheta Santos knocked him out back in two thousand,

618
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 6: well but middleweight in like thirty seconds or something. But

619
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 6: he is one of the most prolific finishers in UFC

620
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 6: welterweight history. He has such a great support system. Daniel

621
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 6: Evangelista in Brazilia did his entire training camp with him.

622
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 6: But he's very much connected with Henry Hooft, Gilbert Burns

623
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 6: in the corner as well. Like I think Luk can

624
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 6: be a champion, you know, I think Stephen wonder Boy

625
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 6: Thompson is a variable in this division because he beats

626
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 6: a lot of guys who are trying to get to

627
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 6: Kamara Usman, and then when you get to the champion,

628
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 6: he might be the best pound for pound fighter in

629
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 6: UFC history. I say that about Kamar Usman. So what

630
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 6: are your thoughts on Luke on the strength of this

631
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 6: win and what he needs to do defensively or otherwise

632
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 6: to become a UFC champion or a real top three guy.

633
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: Well, listen, he has the offensive skills, he has the

634
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: grappling background as well. He's dangerous everywhere. Really, I think

635
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: defensively he could be better. He could be more evasive

636
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: and you know, move a little bit better with his feet.

637
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: But you know, I think that division and has always

638
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: been extremely difficult. I think it would be a tough

639
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: matchup against someone like a Kamara Uzman based on his

640
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: wrestling and the experience of Uzman. But I do think

641
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: he's a guy that could go very far and he

642
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: could continue to surprise a lot of people, you know,

643
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: on his climb towards the top. So the other thing is,

644
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: you know, when you face the guy like a Stephen

645
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: WonderBoy Thompson, you're going to learn so much about where

646
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: you're vulnerable and what kind of you know, skills and

647
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: techniques he could steal from wonder Boy. So I do

648
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: think this is a VINCENTE Luke who was getting better.

649
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: He's getting smarter. I think he showed that against Ton Woodley.

650
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: And he certainly isn't a guy who's going to go

651
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: away easily, that's for sure.

652
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 6: You know what I like about Luke as well, And

653
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 6: you sort of touched on it. But as a jiu

654
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 6: jitsu guy myself Ken flow, now I'm not.

655
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: So I am.

656
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 6: I am only a jiu jitsu guy in so far

657
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 6: as it's my favorite thing to sort of watch in MMA,

658
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 6: Like I really enjoyed Miranda Maverick versus Jillian Robertson because

659
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 6: I like chin grappling.

660
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: You know, So I don't know what I'm watching necessarily.

661
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 6: That's why I keep my goddamn mouth shut at times.

662
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 6: But like Vicente Luco, his practical application of all these

663
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 6: submissions dars is you know, like very very good, and

664
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 6: there are plenty of guys who just like don't have

665
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 6: a good dars. You know. So he got cracked, you know,

666
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 6: and cracked back. But then you know, just understands that.

667
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 8: You know.

668
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 6: I love seeing guys who hurt their opponent they immediately

669
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 6: go to submit him. And I don't know, I thought

670
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 6: it was a beautiful thing.

671
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: He almost got it done, man. And again that was

672
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: another instance where Timer really showed a lot of heart

673
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: because I'm telling you, Luk would have submitted a lot

674
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: of people in that position that was extremely tight. So

675
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: brilliant stuff from both men there, all.

676
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 6: Right, Sean O'Malley over Thomas al Mada buy knockout and

677
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 6: he's a really special fighter. There's no doubt about it.

678
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 6: And if you don't want to take it for me,

679
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 6: take it from Teddy Atlas, who had high praise for

680
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 6: him in terms of his his approach on the feet,

681
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 6: his unorthodox nature. I think he compared him to Prince

682
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 6: Nasimhamed back in the nineteen nineties. Ken fill your thoughts

683
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 6: on a knockout wind for Shan O'Malley in a career

684
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 6: full of them at this point.

685
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: You know, Prince Nasim Hahmed was a very talented boxer,

686
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: There's no doubt. But he did a lot of things

687
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: that were kind of well, I would say, way more

688
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: unorthodox than O'Malley, things that fundamentally weren't very sound in

689
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 2: my opinion. You know, but O'Malley is way more fundamentally

690
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: sound in my opinion. He moves extremely well. He has

691
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: the reach, he has the agility. His feints are something

692
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 2: that everyone should be looking at. If you're a fighter

693
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 2: and you want to know how to faint and keep

694
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: your fighter guessing, O'Malley's your guy that watch O'Malley if

695
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: you want to learn how to faint. He's brilliant at it,

696
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: and for a guy who's tall and lanking that division,

697
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: it's something you really don't see. He has a high

698
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: level of athleticism that is clear. But he's all so

699
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: an intelligent fighter.

700
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 4: You know.

701
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people get thrown off by

702
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: the hair and the tattoos and the whole you know thing.

703
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 2: It seems like maybe his head's not in it. He

704
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: says he wants everyone to follow him, and you know,

705
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: he talks about social media and all this stuff. But

706
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: he is a fantastic fighter, you know. Whatever he says, Okay,

707
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: that's fine, but this guy really knows how to set

708
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: up a knockout and when he gets his opportunity to

709
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: hurt you, he will absolutely do that and finish you off.

710
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: O'Malley is a true talent. He's amazing to watch and

711
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: he's going to be a handful for anyone in that division,

712
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: the champion included. And at this point, you know.

713
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 6: He's a pay per view fighter. I mean, he's box office.

714
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 6: You know. His merchandise flies off the shelves, flies off

715
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 6: the goddamn shelves, you know. So he is resonating with

716
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 6: a lot of people for more reasons than one. You know,

717
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 6: fighting in Las Vegas, he's allowed to have those foot wraps.

718
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 6: The durability held up in this fight, and I actually

719
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 6: feel like this accrued octagon time. This was like the

720
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 6: best case scenario. You get two knockout within one, you

721
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 6: get fourteen minutes of fight time to prove that your

722
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 6: wheel can hold up. Because Kenny, I do believe that

723
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 6: if there's one thing that's going to keep Sean O'Malley

724
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 6: from becoming a UFC champion, it's not going to be

725
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 6: a lack of grappling and wrestling. He loves that part

726
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 6: of the game too. It just hasn't had to showcase it.

727
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 6: It's going to be his body that's going to let

728
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 6: him down. And I hope I'm wrong on that, so.

729
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: Right, you know, and listen, you know, I think it

730
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: is definitely tough on our bodies. I think that you know,

731
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 2: he has experienced situations where he has gotten hurt. That

732
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: calf can really mess you up. You know. I think

733
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: some people, myself may be included, kind of question his

734
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: toughness or or maybe his his durability and his body.

735
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 2: But I think some of those things can be negated

736
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 2: by being just technically better than everybody. And I also

737
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: think that toughness is something that can be learned over time.

738
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: And I think maybe hearing some of that criticism, which

739
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 2: you know, he definitely brought in with him into the octagon.

740
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: You could see here with a little bit you know,

741
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: upset and stuff. I think that's going to motivate him

742
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: and inspire him to continue to improve and get better

743
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 2: and get mentally tougher. He's still young and he's still

744
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: getting better, So watch out moving forward, man O'Malley is

745
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 2: gonna be a handful. He is one of the more

746
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 2: talented guys in the UFC right now. I think that

747
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 2: is clear, and he's got a lot of ways to win.

748
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 4: Man.

749
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: I mean was he was pretty much playing with all

750
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: mata out there and the fight could have actually been

751
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: stopped in round one. So no doubt, he's no doubt

752
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: he's very impressive. He's very impressive.

753
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 6: His goal going into this weekend was to sort of

754
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 6: have his name re enter the conversation of the Bandamwaight elites,

755
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 6: and as far as ken Flow and I are concerned,

756
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 6: mission accomplished. He deserves these big fights. Some rumblings that

757
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 6: maybe Domina Cruz wants the fight. I can either confirm

758
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 6: nor deny that right now, but Sean O'Malley has set

759
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 6: himself up for another big fight, and i'd imagine the

760
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 6: Brazilian Thomas Almada certainly has your respect in defeat. I

761
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 6: do believe there are winnable fights for him in this

762
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 6: Top twenty five, but this was not one of them.

763
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, all took a beating out there. O'Malley was

764
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 2: just way too much for him, both offensively and defensively.

765
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: Almeida couldn't really get a whole lot going, but he's

766
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: got hard for days. He truly has that warrior spirit

767
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: and should be applauded for that. I think a lot

768
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: of other guys would have gone away much earlier than

769
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: Thomas Almida. But I do think he really took some

770
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 2: devastating shots, especially that one at the very end when

771
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 2: he was hurt, he dropped to his back and O'Malley

772
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: followed up with just a nuke of a shot that

773
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: I think should have him away from sparring for a

774
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: long time.

775
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 6: Man.

776
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: That was a sery one. Actually, that was not fun

777
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 2: to watch, and O'Malley's got some brutality to his game man,

778
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 2: and I think that was a message to everybody out there.

779
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: But all made it just as tough as they come.

780
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: But he should take some time off away from sparring

781
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 2: for a little while.

782
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 6: Sean O'Malley seems to know when he has landed one

783
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 6: of these walkoff type shots. And I do like some

784
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 6: of his discretionary nature, but most of it I don't like.

785
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 6: In these moments can flow right like I love the kid, right,

786
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 6: like he's a friend of mine, But there was hesitation

787
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 6: on two occasions, even with the finish at the end.

788
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 2: And I don't know.

789
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 6: I mean, he's such a pinpoint striker that I feel like,

790
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 6: maybe has he just he pauses a beat, right, and

791
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 6: then man, does he not miss on that shot that

792
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 6: put al made it out? But what are your thoughts,

793
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 6: at least initially on that initial sequence when he allowed

794
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 6: al Mada to stay in the fight, right?

795
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: You know, I will say this, I think sometimes you

796
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: have to be careful with that right because that might

797
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 2: be your one and only opportunity to finish that fight.

798
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: And as he moves up against some of the elite guys,

799
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: he's going to need that. He's going to need to

800
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: understand where that window is and what he should do

801
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: about it. However, I would always kind of defer to

802
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: the fighter out there. You know, there's a lot of

803
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: things that I am not feeling as far as you know,

804
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 2: the contact of the shot or the kick on the opponent,

805
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: where maybe he thought that that was going to be

806
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: the end of it, or maybe he thought, hey, listen,

807
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: I think this guy is still in it. He could

808
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: still see the fighter's eyes better than anybody in that

809
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: whole arena or you know, whoever's watching, and maybe he

810
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: felt that he didn't have to go out there and

811
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: finish yeap. Either way, it worked out well for him,

812
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: all made it. Just really couldn't touch him for the

813
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: majority of that fight. But I do think that's something

814
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: to investigate John, no.

815
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 6: Doubt, and referees all handle these situations differently. They all

816
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 6: handle the clinch differently. They give you Some give you

817
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 6: more time to work on the ground. Others are very

818
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 6: impatient in that setting. But you can also force the

819
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 6: referees hand by being demonstrative and forcing it into a

820
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 6: walk off show. We're not looking for that either, but

821
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 6: making sure what is already a very difficult job for

822
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 6: the referees even harder, all right, Miranda Maverick over Jillian

823
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 6: Robertson by unanimous decision. Maverick has says repeatedly she's faced

824
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 6: largely strikers in her career, was looking forward to testing

825
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 6: her Brazilian jiu jitsu brown belt potentially in this situation.

826
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 6: And she's well coached, she's coachable, doctor, soon to be doctor.

827
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 6: Maverick has a lot on her plate, as is well

828
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 6: documented at this point. But I thought she handled a

829
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 6: very tricky challenge on paper exceedingly well for someone who

830
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 6: was born in like nineteen ninety seven. Especially your thoughts

831
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 6: on Miranda Maverick over Jillian Robertson.

832
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 2: I think Miranda is going to learn a ton from

833
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: this win, and that's always much better than learning a

834
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: ton from a loss, Right, That's true. So I think

835
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: from Miranda she learned a lot in that second round.

836
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: She was put in some really difficult positions by roberts

837
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 2: and who was really feeling her way through the fight.

838
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of guys or a lot

839
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: of fighters, i should say, who kind of have their

840
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: set of moves. Robertson really trust her feel out there

841
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: as a grappler and stays present as a grappler and

842
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: is very creative because of it. So she was a

843
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: handful for Maverick.

844
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 4: Man.

845
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: That was not an easy fight, and the fact that

846
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: Maverick was able to come back from a lot of

847
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: those positions and then finish that round strong was huge.

848
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: Now I did not have her winning that round. I

849
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: think that is a shame that the referees weren't able

850
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: to see the grappling dominance in that round. For Robertson, well,

851
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: maybe I won't say dominance, but I will say superior control.

852
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: I mean she won that round. I don't know how

853
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: you have Maverick winning that round, But I did have

854
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: Maverick winning the fight twenty nine to twenty eight. She

855
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: won the first round, she won the third round. She

856
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: said she didn't have the best weight cut, so perhaps

857
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: her energy wasn't all the way there. I've been there myself,

858
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 2: and that is a real thing. So I don't think

859
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: that's something that Maverick would use as an excuse. I

860
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: think that's legit. I think Maverick will learn from both

861
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: the weight cut and the fight and she will be

862
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 2: that much better for it. And I thought that these

863
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: women showed an excellent level of both grappling and striking

864
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: skill that was entertaining. And you know, maybe Maverick isn't

865
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: ready for Chevchenko right now, but she's building her skills

866
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: and resume to the point where I think she just

867
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 2: might be.

868
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 6: She really has a lot of different skills already, and

869
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 6: you're right, she's not blind to the fact that there's

870
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 6: a lot of work to do. But this is valuable

871
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 6: experience a crew, no doubt about it. I thought you

872
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 6: hit on a lot of different things there, So I'm

873
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 6: just going to piggyback off of a couple of them.

874
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 6: Thirty to twenty seven times too, Right, We have a

875
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 6: lot of referees and judges who listened to the show,

876
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 6: and I'm very appreciative of that in the back and forth.

877
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 6: And it's a little bit weird in this MMA space

878
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 6: because I like, ride on a fucking show with the

879
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 6: referees to the arena, which certainly doesn't happen in like

880
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 6: the NFL. But thirty to twenty seven times too Come on, guys, Like,

881
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 6: is anybody watching round two when you're paid to fucking

882
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 6: insert your scorecard?

883
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 2: You know, come on?

884
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 6: Man, Like Jillian's sitting there like all right, Like I guess,

885
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 6: but like, maybe the guys at least watch round two.

886
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: Come on, Noah, you know no, it was a round two.

887
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: Round two was an easy, you know round to score.

888
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: In my opinion, it should have been for Robertson. It's like,

889
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: you know, everyone's like, you gotta finish a round strong. Well,

890
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: guess what if I am almost getting my back taken

891
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: and I almost got finished and I'm in side control

892
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: when someone's mounted or someone's in side control for three

893
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 2: minutes or more of a round, I lost the round.

894
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 2: It doesn't really matter.

895
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 4: What I do.

896
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: There was like maybe what a twenty thirty second uh,

897
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 2: you know point where Maverick was winning that fight. That

898
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: doesn't mean she won the round. You know again, these

899
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: judges do not understand grappling. They do not understand what

900
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: grappling control means, what aggression in grappling means, what grappling

901
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: dominance means, what a position means, as far as you

902
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: know what's advantageous or not. I mean, come on, we've

903
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: been doing this a very long time. The sport's been

904
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: around since the nineties. Can we get better judges when

905
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: it comes to grappling. I don't get it.

906
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 6: I don't understand and sorry for losing my temper there

907
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 6: a moment ago. But like, what if we had open scoring?

908
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 6: You know, Jillian looks up everybody in the arena, including

909
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 6: Courtney Kardashian, whom I love, by the way, know as

910
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 6: it's nineteen a piece. Yeah, including Miranda Maverick too. So

911
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 6: you look up at the jumbo tron when you got

912
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 6: open scoring, and all of a sudden, Jillian's like, I'm

913
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 6: down two nil on two or three, and now I

914
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 6: need a finish. You gotta be kidding me, you know,

915
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 6: but I don't want to.

916
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: Take it good.

917
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 6: No love for Travis Bach love Travis Barker took her

918
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 6: significant other. I know they gotta be careful here. Maybe

919
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 6: that'll be my amateur debut, be at Travis Barker. You

920
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 6: don't want to smoke. I'm quite confident now. He told

921
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 6: trains and every discipline and would destroy me, like a

922
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 6: lot of you amateurs out there.

923
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 7: Get the smoke though, what's that said? He can get

924
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 7: the smoke though, I mean.

925
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: Really, I mean, right, run up. John's scared.

926
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 7: He just wants to be paid.

927
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: When John's talking about smoke, it's mainly weed smoke, but

928
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: still it's smoke.

929
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 6: Nonetheless, run up and get done up, as James Vick

930
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 6: used to say, you know, run up and get done up.

931
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: It sounds so much better coming out.

932
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 6: Of the executioner.

933
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 4: Good.

934
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 6: My twin brother loves that line so much. Jay, I'll

935
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 6: say it one more time for you. If you're running

936
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 6: mile number nine right now, run up, get done up?

937
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 4: All right?

938
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 6: At Kenny Florian on Twitter as we and we are

939
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 6: working on the segment it will be called I don't

940
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 6: know what it'll be called at Anti florin pod now

941
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 6: what should the hostile can Flow tweet segment be called?

942
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 6: And what should Francis and Gano's movie be called? But

943
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 6: here's the tweet from ken Flow. How many warriors do

944
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 6: we have to lose? Two guillotines from side control? I

945
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 6: believe in reference to the Von flutchoke winner from Alonzo

946
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 6: Menifield over Fabio Charant talk to me, Ken Flow. I'm

947
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 6: not a jiu jitsu.

948
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 2: Guys, Guys again, we've been seeing this for a little while.

949
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 2: The sport's been around a little while. We all know

950
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: about Von flu and Ovin Saint Prux and what happens

951
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 2: and Jason like you take every single fighter and just

952
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: kind of like line them up like marines, you know,

953
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 2: and just like talk to all of them and just

954
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: like get spitting in their face as I talk, getting

955
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: really emotional, like do not do not hold on to

956
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 2: a guillotine from side control? Please, hey, you come here,

957
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: look at me. What happens when you hold on to

958
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: a side control? What happens when you have a guillotine

959
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 2: from pside? What happens to you? You get choked out?

960
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 2: Right right? Don't do it anymore? Man?

961
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 6: Hey, let me ask you this, what percentage of UFC

962
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 6: fighters instinctively know how to go to the von flu

963
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 6: right there and can execute that show? Is that too

964
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 6: hard a question? Because I just want to say credit

965
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 6: to safe Siwood and Alonzo Metafield because you have to

966
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 6: make sure that your fighter can execute the choke.

967
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 2: Sure, you know, like there's not there.

968
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 6: There's plenty of bad submission offense going on in mixed

969
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 6: martial arts, you know.

970
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the thing. It's like, it's it's such a

971
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: gift wrap position if someone's doing that to you from

972
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: side control, and especially like so many guys are doing

973
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 2: it up against the cage where you literally have nowhere

974
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: else to go. You like you're tying yourself into the position.

975
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 2: There is nothing happening when you're holding on to someone

976
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 2: in any capacity in side control. If I am hugging

977
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: you in side control, I'm doing nothing to escape. And

978
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess you know. Guys need to

979
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: be students of the game. That's what it comes down to.

980
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 2: And I don't care who you are, at what level,

981
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: you have to be continually learning. You have to be

982
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 2: a student at all times. And if you're not, if

983
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: you're not getting better at this game, you're getting worse.

984
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: I say that all the time. I'm sorry, but that

985
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: is just a fact. And if you are a fighter

986
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,479
Speaker 2: and you're fighting at the highest level, right you need

987
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 2: to be watching and learning from everything. And that was

988
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 2: just clear that that guy's just not doing his homework. Period.

989
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 6: One other fight I want to get to before we

990
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 6: get to ray Longo mihaal Olakshajok over Modestus Pokowskis by

991
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 6: split decision. Now, I thought the Baltic gladiator out of

992
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 6: Lithuania Modestas Pokowskis won this fight, but again it was

993
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 6: a close fight. I love watching both of these guys compete.

994
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 6: It seems like, you really enjoyed watching Olakshajuk a little bit.

995
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 6: Your thoughts on that one.

996
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: Both of them, I really, you know, two very distinct

997
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: styles of Bekowskis was kind of more of the technician,

998
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: had a lot more flair, uh and Olek Seischuk was

999
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 2: a guy that was just He's one of those guys.

1000
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 2: If you ever saw him in a bar, you'd be like,

1001
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 2: I want that guy. That guy looks skinny, arms like,

1002
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: doesn't look very tough. I'll take him. He will murder

1003
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: you and he will not stop. He's the kind of

1004
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: guy who is going to keep going at you and

1005
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 2: trying to break your face until you kill him. That's

1006
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: the kind of guy Alex Seyschuk is. And he was

1007
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 2: so much smaller than Bekowskis. It was it was crazy

1008
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 2: that they're in the same division, and man, he made

1009
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 2: it a fight and it was I think he got

1010
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 2: the nod because he didn't stop coming forward. I don't

1011
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: know who won that fight now. I really wasn't paying

1012
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 2: so much attention to who was winning or lose it, right,

1013
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: All I saw was a guy in Olek Seyschak who

1014
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 2: was taking shots and continually coming forward and landing some

1015
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 2: big ones, and he was landing some big shots. So

1016
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: that was a close one and just an awesome fight

1017
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: from both men, really, and more often than not.

1018
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 6: I love when the forward moving fighter is rewarded in

1019
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 6: a close fight. I didn't think that he deserved to

1020
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 6: win this fight necessarily, but I like when the pedro

1021
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 6: munos Is of the world get rewarded for being like,

1022
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 6: all right, well, yeah, you're pitter pattern me on your

1023
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 6: way back, but anything else you got, I'm trying to

1024
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 6: track you down and murder you to your point.

1025
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 4: So yeah, and.

1026
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: You absolutely might be right. I think Pekowski's definitely has

1027
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: a strong argument for why he won that fight. But

1028
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: I'll say this, He's stuck around to watch his work

1029
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: a little bit, and he was eating shots because of it.

1030
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: He wasn't able to always get in and get out

1031
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 2: without taking shots, and that's where the mastery of defense

1032
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: comes into play, and hopefully he learns from that, because

1033
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 2: I tell you what, pokowskis is a very talented dude. Man.

1034
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 2: He's got a lot of talent. He moves really well,

1035
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: he's agile, he's fast, he's big for the division, moves really.

1036
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 6: Well, a lot of skills. Mikhalo Lukshejak is not big

1037
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 6: for the division. And not only am I not in

1038
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 6: the business of retiring fighters, I'm certainly not gonna tell

1039
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 6: guys to change weight classes. But I do believe he

1040
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 6: has a middleweight frame and could you imagine that Olikshagic

1041
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 6: power at one hundred and eighty five pounds.

1042
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: I'd have to check my fight cut, but I'd.

1043
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 6: Imagine at some point in time he did compete at

1044
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 6: eighty five.

1045
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 2: But great fight card.

1046
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 6: Congrats to the Venezone fighter Omar Morales Mark Andre Barrio,

1047
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 6: big wins on the prelims as well. Jamie Mlarkey with

1048
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 6: a big knockout on pay per view, not enough to

1049
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 6: get a bonus, but a big knife for Malarkey. Hey,

1050
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 6: they usually give submission winners bonuses. Do you feel like

1051
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 6: Manifield's not getting a bonus because like Charon shouldn't have

1052
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 6: gotten caught in the choke type deal.

1053
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: That could definitely be the case. That was a mistake

1054
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: that was kind of really handed to him, So that's

1055
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: probably the reason.

1056
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, And we also congratulated Buba Carner Mango Medov first

1057
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 6: UFC win for him thirty to twenty seven times three

1058
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 6: over a chaired goodn't well. A lot to get to today,

1059
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 6: Stan and Longo coming up. Let us get to be

1060
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 6: stay all right now joining us as promised. He's only

1061
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 6: the greatest living American, former WEC champion, former UFC veteran,

1062
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 6: just a great all around individual and friend of the program.

1063
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 6: Brian stands with us. Father of five Now by the way,

1064
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 6: great to see you, buddy.

1065
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, man, great being on guys. Hope every's doing well, Kenny, congrats.

1066
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 9: Every time I turn around you're finding it's something new

1067
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 9: that's awesome, so cool and wishing best of luck with that.

1068
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 9: And John, I gotta tay Man that mustache is it

1069
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 9: is so American? It's incredible.

1070
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 8: Oh the men that I look at you, I feel

1071
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 8: like my test jumps up.

1072
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 2: You're you're touching my heart with that.

1073
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 6: Because people have a strong opinion one way or the other,

1074
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 6: and people are very nice about it when they asked

1075
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 6: me to shave it. But I had a couple reach

1076
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 6: out to me on the broadcast this weekend. I don't

1077
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 6: know who's typing, but I hear typing in the background,

1078
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 6: but the couple reached out back to back, same last

1079
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 6: name and was like, Hey, can you please shave your mustache.

1080
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 6: You know, it like ruins our pay per view experience,

1081
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 6: you know, so I'm glad you're on the other side.

1082
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 2: There was a void that was filled when Don Fry

1083
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 2: left and John Annick brought that mustache back. A void

1084
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 2: was filled. I'm not trying to.

1085
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 6: Bring any ever attention to myself, so that's the issue.

1086
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 6: But uh Stan led with the mustache. I don't know

1087
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 6: what to tell you. So hey, So in terms of

1088
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 6: this Stepe Francis fight, and you know, I reach out

1089
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 6: to you periodically when I really want to know who

1090
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 6: I think who you think is going to win a fight.

1091
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 6: So I reached out to you before Stepe and Francis,

1092
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 6: and you were pretty convicted and thinking that Francis and

1093
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 6: Ghanu was going to win. You qualify qualified it by

1094
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 6: saying you hate that you had to pick against steep Ay.

1095
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 6: But what were your thoughts overall on the fight and

1096
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 6: why did you think Francis was the guy who was

1097
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 6: going to win?

1098
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 9: You know, rematches are just tough, and when when you've

1099
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 9: got a guy who you know, obviously steep A just

1100
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 9: continues to get better, but it's not gonna be at

1101
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 9: the same margin, right Francis and Ganu was just he

1102
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 9: was so raw when he first came to UFC. There's

1103
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 9: so many tools, so you had to know that he

1104
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 9: was going to have improved at a much larger margin

1105
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 9: than Steepe. And in the mental gymnastics, right, for Steepe,

1106
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 9: his avenue to win that fight is a grueling, five

1107
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 9: round brutal war, lots of clanch lots of wrestling.

1108
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 8: I mean, just your heart burning, your lungs burning.

1109
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 9: To try and take that guy down, wear him out,

1110
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 9: you know, in the first three rounds, and then really

1111
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 9: maybe try to put him away in the last two.

1112
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 9: But you know, you can't help but look at the

1113
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 9: highlight reels of knockouts and have that way in your mind.

1114
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 9: And anytime you're fighting somebody you've already beaten, it's it's

1115
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 9: it's always more fun to be the guy who lost

1116
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 9: last time. It's a mental advantage to be the person

1117
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 9: with a chip on your shoulder. So you know that

1118
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 9: that led me to really believe that Francis was gonna

1119
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 9: win that fight. And you know, when you're on top

1120
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 9: for a long time, right, it's it's very easy to

1121
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 9: get comfortable in the things you're doing.

1122
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 8: And at the end of the day.

1123
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 9: One of the things that continues to get reinforced in

1124
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 9: my life is that in order to grow and truly

1125
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 9: get better, you actually need to put yourself in uncomfortable positions.

1126
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 9: And so if you're Steep be here at the top

1127
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 9: of the food chamber as long as he has I'm

1128
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 9: sure they were getting innovative. I'm sure they were still

1129
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 9: looking at doing things a little differently to continue to improve,

1130
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 9: but not at this not with the.

1131
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 8: Same lens that Francis and Gana.

1132
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 9: And we saw that in the fight right him take

1133
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 9: down attempt, shoving the head in the single leg, really

1134
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 9: good technique on the takedown defense. You know, he was

1135
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 9: putting himself in a lot of uncomfortable positions in that

1136
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 9: training camp to get the thousands of reps necessary to

1137
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 9: perform that in a live scenario.

1138
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 6: And in my opinion, and I'm just one man, it's like,

1139
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 6: I don't care who you are. If you're fighting Francis

1140
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 6: and Ghanu, the most likely scenario is that you're going

1141
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 6: to end up being separated from con sciousness, and I

1142
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 6: think Stepe wasn't blind to that. I give Stepe a

1143
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 6: lot of credit for taking the rematch right I know

1144
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 6: it would have been tough to sort of just retire

1145
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 6: because you know, Francis would have been tricky to avoid

1146
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 6: with the four fight winning streak, But Steve, I didn't

1147
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 6: have to fight this guy again, and best of luck

1148
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 6: to whoever has to do so next.

1149
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think I think we could all

1150
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 9: say with Purans, we've never seen somebody hit this hard

1151
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 9: before in the UFC.

1152
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 8: I mean, the knockout of Alistair Obering was done right scary.

1153
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 9: I mean that that upper cut stopped a lot of folks,

1154
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 9: and in ring was obviously passed his prime at the time,

1155
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 9: but still, the ability to hit a man the size

1156
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 9: of Alastair Ogeren that hard and make his body go

1157
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 9: to the ground like that, it's just, it's just scared.

1158
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 9: We've never seen this kind of power in the UFC,

1159
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 9: and it's the next factor. Francis and Donald could fight

1160
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 9: a really terrible fight and still at all times have

1161
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 9: a chance to win because he just hits that hard.

1162
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: Brian, You've been around the sport a long time. You

1163
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: have a guy in a Gan who has an amazing story.

1164
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 2: He looks the part. The way he finishes fights is

1165
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 2: by completely destroying his opponents. How big of a star

1166
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 2: do you think this guy could be.

1167
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 8: I think he could be a huge star.

1168
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 9: I think his story is inspirational, and I think, and

1169
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 9: I hope right that the UFC and whoever the management

1170
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 9: around Francis is really really goes about this in a

1171
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 9: thoughtful manner to capitalize on it, right because Francis, as

1172
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 9: we all know it was always a really kind and gentleman.

1173
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 9: He was a good man. And you know, when you

1174
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 9: get this tech light type of limelight, you know, it's

1175
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 9: easy to go the other way.

1176
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 8: And so I hope that.

1177
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 9: He surrounded himself with people that really care about him.

1178
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 9: I hope they go about it thoughtfully and they leverage

1179
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 9: Francis to really open up fan bases in areas that

1180
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 9: the UFC just doesn't have. Right now, it really again

1181
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 9: to shine a positive light.

1182
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 8: On the sport.

1183
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 9: I mean a lot of times, mixed martial arts in

1184
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 9: UFC has looked at kind of like a lesser tier

1185
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 9: to the NFL and the NBA from a peer athleticism standpoint.

1186
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 9: You know, now all of a sudden, we've got some champions,

1187
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 9: and you know it could be obviously we were retired,

1188
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 9: but he was an elite level athlete, Kamaro Usman, I

1189
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 9: mean elite level athlete, Franceton Ganho, elite level athlete, John Jones,

1190
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 9: elite levelie. You know, I think now you finally have

1191
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 9: competitors coming into this sport that are on par with

1192
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 9: other professional sports just on a pure athletic basis.

1193
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 2: And as far as moving forward, is the right fight

1194
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 2: the trilogy? And is it the right move for Steepe?

1195
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 2: What do you think about that?

1196
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 9: You know, I think for Steve Bay, I think it

1197
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 9: absolutely is right. He gets he gets the chip on

1198
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 9: his shoulder now right, he can go back and he

1199
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 9: could be the hungrier guy.

1200
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 8: I think it absolutely.

1201
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 9: I think Steve a going and fighting someone else at

1202
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 9: this point's not worth it. I wouldn't rush it though.

1203
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 9: I mean, you've got to fully healed from that type

1204
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 9: of concussion. You got to reassess your training camp, you

1205
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 9: got to reassess, hey, did you come in with the

1206
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 9: appropriate weight right to out wrestle a dyeing clinch.

1207
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 8: A guy like that of of course of five rounds?

1208
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 4: Right.

1209
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 9: So I think for ship it absolutely is you know,

1210
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 9: the right fight for Francis. But you know, I think

1211
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 9: is either the Steep Bay fight, or you know, the

1212
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 9: Derek Lewis fight. I don't if I'm managing him right.

1213
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 9: While I know he can make the most money to

1214
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 9: the John Jones fight, I think that deal is going

1215
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 9: to take some time.

1216
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 8: I'd rather build my guy.

1217
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 9: I'd look to get another camp in where this guy's

1218
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 9: still improving before I put him in there with the

1219
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 9: heavier John Jones.

1220
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 4: John.

1221
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 8: John's a better wrestled than Steve Bay.

1222
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 9: He's also really good in the clinch, which if I'm

1223
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 9: coaching John, I'm telling him you're either wrestling with this

1224
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 9: guy or you're in the clinch, You're you're tying him

1225
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 9: up with your long arms.

1226
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 8: John's really dangerous there.

1227
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 9: We saw him be very effective against Laiver to Share

1228
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 9: and other fighters in those positions, and I think Steve

1229
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 9: Day was doing some of that with Francis to wear

1230
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 9: out his arms and wear him down.

1231
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 8: John's a master doing that, and He's got great trips and.

1232
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 9: Things like that that maybe Francis can't minute with other

1233
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 9: training partners. So, you know, me looking at it through

1234
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 9: a selfish lens, if I'm managing Frank Francis and I

1235
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 9: want to maximize on his star power, really build him

1236
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 9: up and earn him as much money as possible in

1237
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 9: this window, I try and get him a Derek Lewis

1238
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,919
Speaker 9: or Steepe averymatch, and I let the John Jones thing

1239
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 9: build up.

1240
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 8: Let John, yeah, and then at.

1241
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 9: Heavy weight beat somebody up, and then you build that

1242
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 9: because I think it's going to take a while.

1243
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 8: It seems like Dana and John Jones are really far

1244
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 8: apart financially.

1245
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1246
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 6: No, that's interesting stuff. Brian stand with us here on

1247
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 6: the anak Informing podcast, and you're right about step A.

1248
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 6: You just sort of let it all marinate. Because he

1249
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 6: fought once in twenty eighteen, once in twenty nineteen, once

1250
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty, all against Daniel Cormier. It's not as

1251
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 6: though he's going to be in any great rutch. I

1252
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 6: wouldn't be surprised to see them try to turn around

1253
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 6: Lewis and Ganu here in the next three months or so.

1254
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 6: But it sounds to me like you think John Jones

1255
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 6: and Francis and Ghanu Brian is a close, competitive fight

1256
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 6: and maybe a lean to John. You know, some people

1257
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 6: I talk to say Francis is just going to stand

1258
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 6: there and try to like kick the hell out of

1259
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 6: him and let the fight, breathe a little bit. How

1260
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 6: do you handicap a potential matchup between Nghanu and John Jones?

1261
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 4: You know, the big.

1262
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 9: Question to me is is is where is John right

1263
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 9: in terms of his athletic capabilities? And you know, he's

1264
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,919
Speaker 9: looked more human as it late than we've ever seen

1265
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 9: a younger version of John, you know, just annihilating everybody.

1266
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 9: And I've watched him really make heavyweights look look silly

1267
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,439
Speaker 9: throughout her wing when.

1268
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 8: I was training. That was a long time ago.

1269
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 9: But I think motivated John Jones is absolutely extremely competitive

1270
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 9: fight and I think that he would come in there

1271
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 9: and he's always shown the ability mentally and strategically to

1272
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 9: perform well in those big moments. He's handled himself really well.

1273
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 9: It almost seems like in the octagons where John's most comfortable,

1274
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 9: to be quite honest with the other day, I think

1275
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 9: it was like and for for Francis, some of this

1276
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 9: stuff is rinse and repeat, Right, He's got to take

1277
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 9: the time, he's got to keep this distance. He's going

1278
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 9: to land his heavy shots, but he can't. He can't

1279
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 9: gass himself out and trust I win the fight one round.

1280
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 9: The Anhient be moved and not get tied up in

1281
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 9: the clinch. He does not want to be there with John.

1282
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 9: John's not as simple as defending singles and doubles. John

1283
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 9: has a lot of cool trips and throws and ways

1284
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 9: that he can get you to the growl of those

1285
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 9: long limbs. And then once he gets you there, because

1286
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 9: he's got such long limbs, it poses a real challenge

1287
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 9: to steep by and a lot of energy utilized to

1288
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Speaker 9: get back up. And if John can make him do

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Speaker 9: that two or three times in the first round, another

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01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 9: two or three times in the second round, I think

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Speaker 9: really that's the that's the path that least resistance for John.

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Speaker 4: To win that fight.

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01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 6: All right, last thing on in Ghano, and I know

1294
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 6: we got to let you go because you're squeezing us

1295
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 6: in on a Monday And my brother's like, what are

1296
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 6: you doing trying to get the COO on a Monday morning.

1297
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 6: But for Francis and Ghana, in terms of his improvement,

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01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 6: I've said repeatedly there was so much pressure on Eric

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Speaker 6: nex six, who seems to not only be head striking

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01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 6: coach and mid coach and chief corner, but also primary

1301
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 6: grappling body and partner. I know there have been some

1302
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,479
Speaker 6: other bodies. Would you advocate in ghana trying to get

1303
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 6: in in jiu jitsu competitions? Do some grappling the sprawl

1304
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 6: look great. I mean, what would you advise him do

1305
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 6: or is it just keep doing what you're doing because

1306
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 6: it worked.

1307
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 8: Well.

1308
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 9: I think he's got to bring in new bodies that

1309
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 9: with an Eric should be pushing for that. He's such

1310
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 9: a big star now that people will want to come

1311
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 9: to him, and he should look for people.

1312
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 8: Again, it's all about being uncomfortable.

1313
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 9: When you grap the same people all the time, you

1314
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 9: could get to your comfort positions. You're not forced to

1315
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 9: try and escape something new. You're not forced to try

1316
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 9: and get a dominant position somewhere new. I think Eric

1317
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 9: he's got to get himself to the point where he's

1318
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 9: looking through the cage and coaching him. He's done such

1319
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 9: a great job and not just hands on because he's

1320
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 9: the only one that can grapple with him.

1321
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 8: So I look out up to the world.

1322
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 9: I go find who are from the biggest heavyweight battler's

1323
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 9: out there, and I get them in the room with

1324
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 9: Francis and I really push it. I challenge them, you know,

1325
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 9: what are the different ways, and and wrestler that's just

1326
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 9: where are the wrestlers who are going to act and

1327
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 9: do the things similar to John Jones, right, or other

1328
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 9: people he may fight, including in those native positions.

1329
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 2: All right, my man. Well, it's always great to hear

1330
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 2: your voice.

1331
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 6: And while I hope to be sitting next to you

1332
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 6: in a broadcast capacity someday, I do hope you are

1333
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 6: finding that work life balance.

1334
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 2: Hey, are you done having children?

1335
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 6: Can I ask you a personal question? North for forty?

1336
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 4: Now?

1337
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: Are you done having children?

1338
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 4: Yes?

1339
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 6: All right, you're smart. You're smart. It's good New York done.

1340
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 4: That's good. What we can any man? Good?

1341
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 6: No, it's smart, it's smart.

1342
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 4: All right.

1343
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 6: Well, enjoy the rest of your week, buddy, and I'm

1344
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 6: sure we'll catch up soon. But sincerely appreciate the time

1345
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 6: this morning.

1346
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 8: Right, oh my pleasure. Guys, thanks so much.

1347
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 6: Right, sorry about the audio issue there, folks. At the end,

1348
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 6: Brian stand with us here on the Anak and Florian podcast.

1349
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 2: We have spent the ball.

1350
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 6: Of the show obviously to this point on Francis and

1351
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 6: Ganu and Stepe Miachich, and are reasons for doing so

1352
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 6: are obvious ken Flow in terms of the Steepe narrative.

1353
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 6: It's a really tricky thing. I don't think he gets

1354
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 6: enough credit for just accepting this fight, you know, like

1355
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 6: Daniel Cormier, it stands to reason that this would have

1356
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 6: been a title defense that would have materialized. It didn't

1357
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 6: happen for DC and for him, I think you got

1358
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 6: to thank the heavens man, like I think steep A,

1359
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 6: it's not a suicide mission, right, Like when Derek Brunton

1360
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 6: fought Robert Whitaker. I remember, I think, I don't know

1361
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 6: if you called it with me, but it's like, what

1362
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 6: are we doing here?

1363
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 4: Is it? Just like?

1364
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 6: But when you go in there against Francis Kenny, I

1365
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 6: feel like I'm watching a movie and that the person

1366
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 6: who's fighting Francis, especially in a scenario where he's given

1367
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 6: up thirty forty pounds, is like a plus eight hundred under,

1368
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 6: you know. That's what it feels like. It feels like

1369
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 6: it's just going to take this herculean David versus Goliath

1370
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 6: type effort to to beat this mountain of a human being.

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01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing.

1372
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 5: Man.

1373
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 2: Every time you see France massive men, he makes them

1374
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 2: look small. I mean, it's amazing to see and the

1375
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 2: kind of physical skills that he possesses. You know, I

1376
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 2: think Brian is absolutely correct. This is a truly an

1377
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 2: a class type of athlete in a heavyweight division that

1378
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 2: isn't necessarily you know, the most skilled. You know, a

1379
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 2: lot of those guys will stand in trade, and if

1380
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,959
Speaker 2: you do that against someone like Francis and Ghanu, you're

1381
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 2: gonna go down and you just might not be the

1382
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 2: same after it. That's the thing, you know, It's one thing, Okay,

1383
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 2: you're a good striker, or you're dangerous, or you can

1384
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 2: knock guys out or down. Francis and Gano may not.

1385
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 2: You know, you may not be the same after it.

1386
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 2: That's how hard this guy hits. And he's his killer instinct,

1387
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 2: his ability to go in there and finish you off.

1388
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 2: If you're out, that referee better be in there because

1389
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 2: he's going to try to get another shot, and not

1390
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 2: because he's a jerk, but because he's a warrior, because

1391
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 2: he's a fighter, and he's out there to do a job,

1392
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 2: and that is to destroy you.

1393
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 6: If I'm if I'm fighting Francis and Gano, I'm requesting

1394
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 6: Jason Herzog to make sure that that extra hammer, fist

1395
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 6: doesn't get in.

1396
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 4: I think too.

1397
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And Francis has a mean streak, as we've

1398
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 6: talked about repeatedly, And you do not need to tell

1399
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 6: Francis and Ghanu that the referee is the one who

1400
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 6: has to stop the fight, and largely you subscribe to

1401
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 6: that theory as a fighter. So I know you're laughing now,

1402
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 6: But like you didn't have to tell Kenny Floory and

1403
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 6: ask Joe los On, you know, enough is enough ten flow.

1404
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 6: He's from Massachusetts as well. Jesus fucking Christ. But on

1405
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,600
Speaker 6: the steep A side of things, are you trying to

1406
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 6: put sorry, are you trying to have a little tired today? Jesus,

1407
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 6: I look like hell, are you trying to put on

1408
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 6: thirty pounds if you're steep A and going in there

1409
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 6: two sixty, or you're just trying to not fight Francis

1410
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 6: again and enjoy the Valley View fight.

1411
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 2: At man, You know, I think you got to put

1412
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 2: on a little bit of weight there against someone like Inanu.

1413
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 2: Weight matters, okay, and it matters especially when you are

1414
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 2: carrying or trying to take down another large body. You

1415
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 2: want to have mass on your side. I think step

1416
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 2: A could have executed a little bit better perhaps, but yeah,

1417
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 2: you can just see that once in Ghana was able

1418
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 2: to stop that takedown, get around to his back, throw

1419
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 2: him down and hit him a couple times. Steve Bie

1420
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 2: got up and with all of his experience, he looked

1421
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 2: at in Ghanu. It was like a deer in the headlights,

1422
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 2: and that is something that you rarely see from someone

1423
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 2: like a steep amac So, yeah, I think that definitely

1424
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 2: surprised him. I think it would probably be better for

1425
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 2: him to add a little bit more mass to his frame.

1426
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 2: But again, you got to do that without compromising your

1427
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 2: gas tank as well, because now you're carrying let's say

1428
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty extra pounds, you know your body may not

1429
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 2: be used to that, so that that's going to take

1430
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 2: some time, both adding that weight and getting used to

1431
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 2: that weight.

1432
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 6: You just gave me a reason to not add any

1433
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 6: more muscle mass. I don't feel like carrying it around,

1434
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,759
Speaker 6: all right. I don't want to give long Ago nothing

1435
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 6: to talk about. So I know he's excited, even though

1436
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 6: he is disappointed for Steve. Let us get to the

1437
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 6: Ray Longo minute.

1438
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 2: It's now time for the Ray Longo minute, and I'm

1439
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 2: gonna put a hole in this, That's what I wanted

1440
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 2: The Ray Longo Minute Stray long the John Ennik and

1441
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 2: Kenny Florian Podcast.

1442
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 6: I bought a Ray Longo minute sweatshirt before we came

1443
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 6: on the air today to help sales.

1444
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 4: Right, Thank you very much, Joe.

1445
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 6: So, Ray, I don't know if you uh well, I

1446
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 6: don't know if you heard the big news, but we

1447
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 6: got a new reason to watch the PFL. Do you

1448
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 6: know what I mean when I say that, Ray, did

1449
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 6: you hear the news that Kenny Florian has been signed

1450
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 6: as a PFL fighter slash commentator.

1451
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 4: Wow?

1452
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 2: That not true. That is true, just as a commentator,

1453
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:03,839
Speaker 2: not as a fighter.

1454
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 4: Wow, that's big stuff. Congratulations, that's awesome, thank you. I

1455
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 4: love I love it. And what is that that's a

1456
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 4: professional Oh yes, I thought it was a noo shoot

1457
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 4: at the battle box. I do built man. Yeah, now

1458
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 4: that's great Kenny. Congratulations on that's awesome. Thank you.

1459
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 6: So do you know, Kenny, the specifics of what you're

1460
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 6: going to be doing or when this whole thing is

1461
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 6: getting started so I can set my fucking.

1462
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 2: D v R. Yeah, it's gonna be. It's gonna be

1463
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 2: on ESPN. Plus we'll be like cousins I guess ESPN

1464
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,919
Speaker 2: plus and thought we were brothers. Man, Now we're fucking cousins.

1465
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 2: President of Team Floria. Now I'm his cousin. Were April

1466
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 2: twenty third, It all gets April twenty third, Wow, professional,

1467
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 2: great news.

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01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 6: So Ray Cody Harrow, or famed executive producer, says that

1469
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 6: you wake up at eleven a m. Is that true

1470
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 6: on the Monday? They know?

1471
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 4: I wait, I wake up at ten am?

1472
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, just making sure because I don't want

1473
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 6: to inconvenience the start that show.

1474
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 4: I'm not opposed to eleven, John, What time do.

1475
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:14,879
Speaker 2: You go to sleep? That's the more important.

1476
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 4: Now are you going to say three? Now that you

1477
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 4: can't get to bed earlier than two? But most of

1478
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 4: the times it's three. That's what I said. Just that's

1479
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 4: my circadium rhythm. Got very very nice.

1480
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 2: So a lot to get to with you.

1481
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 6: I'm not going to bury the lead and start talking

1482
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 6: about all your regional success right now.

1483
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 2: We'll get to your local guys at the end.

1484
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 4: We're not to get that man and crushed it, crushed it.

1485
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 4: We will.

1486
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 6: We will absolutely celebrate all of those individuals. Big weekend

1487
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 6: for teams, Sarah Longo, but uh, in the nature of

1488
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 6: not burying the lead, Francis and Gano is the new

1489
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 6: undisputed UFC heavyweight champion. Steepe, your guy retained status as

1490
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 6: the great MMA heavyweight of all time, resume wise in

1491
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 6: my opinion. But now, if you want to become the

1492
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 6: undisputed heavyweight king, you're going to somehow have to figure

1493
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 6: out a way to beat Francis and Gana. Your thoughts

1494
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 6: on the title fight this weekend.

1495
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 4: You know, look, the guy's uh he's not human, Let's

1496
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 4: face it, he's that's how nice and uh yeah, I mean,

1497
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 4: look it was it was it was a rough fight.

1498
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 4: Uh you know, just in the at the end though,

1499
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 4: I mean, steep A he did tag him, whether he know,

1500
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 4: he looked like he buckled him a little bit. But

1501
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 4: I think that with Francis is absolutely the most dangerous

1502
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 4: is when you're running at him. I think that's where

1503
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 4: he because he just swings and he if he touches you,

1504
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 4: you're going to go down. So I mean, in hindsight,

1505
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 4: I would have liked to have seen step A just

1506
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 4: reset and move around and see if he could capitalize

1507
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 4: on that. But you know, it's like hindsight is twenty twenty.

1508
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 4: But but but to rushing against Francis. How many times

1509
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 4: have we seen that just not work? But again, that

1510
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,600
Speaker 4: decision could have been based on the fact that he

1511
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 4: was just knocked down to and he was groggy, and

1512
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 4: as a fighter, your instinct sort to go you know,

1513
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 4: or to go right in. But there's certain times when

1514
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 4: you just have to put the brakes on and just

1515
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:15,799
Speaker 4: reevaluate and you know, really assess what happened. So whatever

1516
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 4: I mean, Uh, you know, hats off to Francis man.

1517
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 4: He thought a great fight. He looks like he made

1518
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 4: some improvements. Uh, so that's that's good for everybody.

1519
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 2: He hit him with the same shot he cut over

1520
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 2: him with, and it seemed like he was trying to

1521
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 2: finish it in the same way. He was kind of

1522
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 2: going back, landed a shot and then kind of rushed

1523
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 2: in thinking he was gonna, you know, finish him off,

1524
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 2: and obviously God who got there first, like he does

1525
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:40,799
Speaker 2: against pretty much everybody.

1526
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's okay, a little different than than over him.

1527
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:51,600
Speaker 4: He took that punch from the back of his ass. Sorry, sorry,

1528
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 4: this one was a little shorter than that.

1529
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, different, very different. That was the guy.

1530
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 4: Sorry, Yeah, that was out of a cartoon ooverarine thing.

1531
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 4: So scary individual. But we'll see what happens, you know,

1532
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 4: Like we were talking before, rim Mike Tyson was the

1533
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 4: same scary individual until he wasn't the same scary individual.

1534
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 6: So what happens and it remains to be seen. As

1535
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 6: we were talking about a little bit off the air

1536
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 6: as to how long Francis and Ghana will be solely

1537
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,600
Speaker 6: committed to this. His life is about to change in

1538
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 6: a lot of ways, but hopefully they can get him

1539
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 6: to turn around and defend in a few months or so.

1540
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 6: So Kenny was sort of talking about John Jones earlier

1541
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 6: in the show insofar as his ability to take away

1542
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 6: your greatest strength in a Bill BELICHICKI in type way,

1543
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 6: if you're sort of molding a guy to beat Francis

1544
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 6: and Ghano, Like, who are you sending in there? Is

1545
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 6: it a five tool player like John Jones who can

1546
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 6: try to minimize the power as best he can. Like

1547
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 6: who and how is going to beat this guy? I

1548
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 6: know he's not an undefeated fighter, but who beats this guy?

1549
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 6: And how do they get it done?

1550
01:15:59,560 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 9: Uh?

1551
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 4: Honest, Look, honestly, whoever beats him is going to have

1552
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 4: to be able to take a huge punch at least

1553
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 4: once or twice. That's the first thing. But I see

1554
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 4: like I would think for this, uh, I would think

1555
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 4: like a cane Velasque is a guy that could push

1556
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,679
Speaker 4: just a crazy pace at heavyweight, who could get underneath

1557
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 4: those punches, you know, great head movement going in side

1558
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 4: to side, and then have the cardio to do takedown

1559
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 4: after takedown and see where his gas tank is. But

1560
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 4: that that would be my thing. I don't think John Jones,

1561
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 4: I think is a horrible matchup. I think John's always

1562
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 4: at his best when he's the taller, big guy. We've

1563
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 4: seen him struggle with guys like Gustafson and some of

1564
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 4: the bigger guys right like Reyes. I thought he absolutely

1565
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 4: lost the fight. So I think Francis is just a

1566
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 4: horrible matchup for him. I don't think there's Yeah, I

1567
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 4: don't know what's the Belichick way He's going to get

1568
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,080
Speaker 4: that fight done because he's he's never been hit like

1569
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 4: that before. He's got a guy that's bigger than him,

1570
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 4: stronger than him. I don't even think steroids will help

1571
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 4: John Jones in that fight.

1572
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,759
Speaker 6: Well, Kenny was sort of just alluding to John Jones

1573
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,879
Speaker 6: in a broader sense, right, Kenny, of having that ability

1574
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,919
Speaker 6: to uh, to take away a strength.

1575
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also think, you know, John Jones tends to

1576
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 2: get better when he faces tough competition. You know, I

1577
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 2: think that definitely, Ray, we haven't seen the John Jones

1578
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 2: that we are used to, and perhaps he's coasting buyer

1579
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 2: doing what he needs to do to win and not

1580
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 2: elevating his game like he should. Uh. And I think

1581
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 2: if we see the kind of performances that we've seen

1582
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 2: against you know, the Anthony Smith and the Rays Giago Santo's, Yeah, absolutely,

1583
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 2: I think that a Gano would would smash him. However,

1584
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 2: I think that John Jones tends to elevate himself and

1585
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 2: get more excited when he is is experiencing a higher

1586
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 2: level of danger. I think he's that kind of a guy.

1587
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 2: But you know, I think he needs the motivation. I

1588
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 2: don't think he's been up and motivated for those fights

1589
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 2: whereas and I think that's why he's going up to

1590
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 2: heavyweight in the first place. And now that he's gotten

1591
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 2: gone to I think it offers up a completely different

1592
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 2: type of challenge, herculean one for sure. But I do

1593
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 2: think if John Jones at his best can win that fight.

1594
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fair. I think that's fair. How old is Jones?

1595
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 4: Now he's getting up there too?

1596
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 6: No, No, what thirty one, thirty two? Is he much older?

1597
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 6: He's got to be well, not John Jones's thirty three

1598
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 6: years old birthday July nineteenth, nineteen eighty seven.

1599
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 4: That's a plus. That's actually a plus. So he's that's good. Yeah,

1600
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 4: who knows. Look, I do agree. I do agree with Kenny.

1601
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 4: He's gonna rise to the occasion. But this is a

1602
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 4: big I don't know. This is a totally different challenge, man,

1603
01:18:59,080 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 4: it really is.

1604
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 6: So I think go ahead, John, Well, I just think

1605
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 6: we can all agree that a more composed, measured, seemingly

1606
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,719
Speaker 6: more well rounded Francis and Ganu is a real problem,

1607
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 6: real quickly, ray as far as Stepe is concerned. And

1608
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 6: you touched on some good things as far as the

1609
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 6: performance goes, but I got to think it's hard mentally,

1610
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 6: as far as the preparation goes. Knowing that when you

1611
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 6: beat him the first time, Francis had what amounted to

1612
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 6: a four week training cam mixed between three countries. He

1613
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 6: was exhausted. He couldn't even do our fighter meeting he

1614
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 6: was so tired and step Ba had to go hard

1615
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 6: twenty five minutes. Then Francis stuffed eight of fourteen takedowns

1616
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 6: that night, even though his performance was roundly criticized. Steepe's

1617
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 6: going into this rematch knowing that he's going to have

1618
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 6: to go through.

1619
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 2: Twenty five minutes.

1620
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 6: I just think it's a hard thing knowing that, you know,

1621
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 6: the most likely scenario is that I get separated from consciousness,

1622
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 6: and if I do win, I'm gonna have to win

1623
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:56,839
Speaker 6: over twenty five minutes.

1624
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 4: Like that sucks. Yeah, I'll tell you Kenny can address this,

1625
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:04,560
Speaker 4: but I don't. I don't think Steve's mindset at any

1626
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 4: time before during a rafter was that he was going

1627
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 4: to be separated from consciousness. I mean as a fighter.

1628
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 4: I mean, if you go in there thinking that, you

1629
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 4: might as well not even go in there. And I'll

1630
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 4: never forget man before the first uh Wideman Anderson's Silver fight.

1631
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 4: You know, obviously I was, you know, I was a

1632
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 4: ball of nerves, right, But I'll never forget, you know,

1633
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 4: like Danaher, I met him with a hell Well, I

1634
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 4: don't know that. I think at the MGM probably, but uh,

1635
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 4: I remember, he says well, you know, I see you're worried.

1636
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 4: I mean, I know why you're worried, because if he loses,

1637
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 4: this is what he says to me, If he loses,

1638
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 4: it's going to be in like highlight reel fashion. I'm like, no,

1639
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 4: that's got nothing to do with I just don't want

1640
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 4: my guy to do good. I just I always worry,

1641
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I'm not thinking like he's

1642
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 4: going out. And you've got to remember Anderson Silva had

1643
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 4: a highlight reel from hell at that point, so I

1644
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 4: get what he was saying, but I'm not I'm thinking.

1645
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 4: I'm thinking my guys winning. I just want him to win.

1646
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 4: And I wanted to go away. We've been trained and

1647
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 4: that was it. And I'm always going to be nervous.

1648
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:11,799
Speaker 4: But if you go in there with that mindset, I

1649
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 4: don't go.

1650
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 2: In No, I get it.

1651
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 6: And Daniel Cormier certainly didn't go into those two fights

1652
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 6: with Anthony Rumble Johnson, you know, thinking that the power

1653
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 6: was gonna you know, but I think you can't help

1654
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 6: but let it creep in a little bit ken full,

1655
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 6: especially when you're fighting got that dangerous and with all

1656
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 6: due respect to Anderson Silva, I don't have a point

1657
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 6: of comparison for Francis in Ganu Ray in UFC history.

1658
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 6: That's why I bring it up. It's such a violent,

1659
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 6: potentially fatal thing when you're fighting Francis that I don't know.

1660
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:40,600
Speaker 6: I still think Steve as human, But I'm glad you

1661
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 6: had the counterpoint ready to go, Kenny, what do you

1662
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 6: think about all that?

1663
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I think that it's important as a fighter

1664
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 2: to come to terms or come to understand that, yes,

1665
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 2: you can be knocked out, you could be submitted, you

1666
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 2: could lose a judge's decision, you could get injured, all

1667
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 2: those things. You know, you need to you know, kind

1668
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 2: of terms with that. But to have that in your

1669
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 2: mind heading into a fight, I think any fighter who

1670
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 2: has that in their mind is probably going to get

1671
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,560
Speaker 2: knocked out. For the most part, I think that you

1672
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 2: have to understand what the threat is, you know, come

1673
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 2: to peace with that, and and then just move on.

1674
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 2: Be like, Okay, now I'm ready to do it. You

1675
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 2: have to address it in your mind and be like,

1676
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 2: if this happens, am I cool with that? Okay? I

1677
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 2: know that could happen. Now let's now let's actually address

1678
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 2: what I can't control, right, do you.

1679
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 6: Have anything else for us on stepe A and Francis.

1680
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 6: I have a few other items for you on this

1681
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 6: main card, and then we're going to get to to

1682
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 6: the locals and Wadman and all of all of the

1683
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 6: stuff that you're really here for. But anything else as

1684
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 6: far as step A, I mean, I know the trilogy

1685
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 6: fight will be there for steep A in all likelihood

1686
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 6: unless Francis loses to to Derek Lewis or John Jones

1687
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 6: or somebody that I'm not thinking of. But what do

1688
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 6: you think for step A? I I don't get the

1689
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:57,759
Speaker 6: sense that he's.

1690
01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:58,679
Speaker 2: Ready to walk away.

1691
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, I think Steve A's that guy. Look look,

1692
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,639
Speaker 4: DC knocked him out right the first fight. He came

1693
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 4: back and beat him twice. That's not an easy task

1694
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 4: to do. DC is a phenomenal fighter, So I think

1695
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 4: I think, because I mean, his resume is so impressive,

1696
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 4: they owe him a trilogy if he wants it. That's

1697
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:21,759
Speaker 4: that's the first thing. I think. That's a one hundred

1698
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 4: percent whether he's whether you think it's not going to

1699
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 4: be a good fight or just make the odds crazy, whatever,

1700
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 4: but they do owe it to him. As as being

1701
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 4: the best as as today being the best heavyweight ever, right,

1702
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 4: so I think that's a given. You know, Steve A's

1703
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 4: getting up to me. He's got a great family, He's

1704
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 4: a humble guy. I think he'll have no problem internalizing

1705
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 4: what happened and either going back to the drawing board

1706
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 4: or doing whatever he wants to do. But he's not

1707
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 4: controlled by anybody, which is what I love about him.

1708
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 4: And he's got he's got a million options. I'm sure

1709
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 4: he's he's well off, you know he does. And he's

1710
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 4: not one of those guys that's gonna blow his money.

1711
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 4: So I think he wants to go. I think, you know,

1712
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 4: he's great for the sport. How can you not like

1713
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:09,640
Speaker 4: a guy he's still working in the firehouse. I mean,

1714
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 4: I don't know what's not to like about. I mean,

1715
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 4: it doesn't bullshit, he doesn't lie, he's not cheat, and

1716
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 4: he's not doing steroids. You know, it's funny, it's like

1717
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 4: what you think everybody wants. But you know, you know

1718
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 4: who was telling the story the other day with with

1719
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 4: d C and John Jones. I mean, the guy just

1720
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 4: got you know, caught doing steroids and they're booing d C.

1721
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 4: How do you boot d c the guy's working with

1722
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 4: the kids. He is the kids wrestling program. He's a

1723
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 4: great ambassador to sport. But is that the direction of

1724
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 4: moving he's the bad guy?

1725
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 6: D No, I'm with you, But you and I can

1726
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 6: disagree on John Jones until we're blue in the face,

1727
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 6: you know, because you see him in a different light

1728
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 6: than I do, you know, So, I mean, I don't

1729
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 6: see him as this perpetual steroid guy that that you do.

1730
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 6: You know, And people come at me when I defend him,

1731
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 6: and that's okay, But like, I don't see him as

1732
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 6: an anabolic steroid abuser in any way, shape or form.

1733
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 6: I still see him as the greatest mixed martial arts

1734
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 6: athlete of all time. You know, you know, I might

1735
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 6: have a mug shot one day too, hopefully not.

1736
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 4: I don't know. I just I'm sorry. You are you

1737
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 4: at that point in your life where that's what you

1738
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 4: want to see a mugshot? No? No, you need to

1739
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 4: see him as that non abusing steroid guy.

1740
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 6: No, I just know, I don't know. I think he

1741
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 6: took dick pills and he's abused recreational drugs and I

1742
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 6: can't explain his drug test, But I just I don't know.

1743
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 6: I don't see him as a guy.

1744
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 4: Who's the guy I see now he's doing wig pills.

1745
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 4: I mean really, yeah, what at twenty eight should be

1746
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 4: walking around with a fucking heart on? What the hell

1747
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 4: is he doing? What are you talking about? What is

1748
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 4: going on?

1749
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 2: Taking talking about me? Twenty years old?

1750
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 4: Ray?

1751
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 7: Have you ever heard of given one hundred and ten percent?

1752
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 7: Sometimes he's the extra ten percent?

1753
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 4: You know, I get it, I get it, But.

1754
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 7: I'm twenty seven.

1755
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 2: I dabble. I don't have any There's once and then

1756
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 2: there's like eighty times in the night, right, I guess argue,

1757
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 2: maybe that's true.

1758
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 4: Get I get that point. We had such a spirit

1759
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 4: I actually take my statement back. Everybody should be doing it.

1760
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 2: I show up in my room and there's thirty women

1761
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 2: just waiting for Yeah. Right, yeah, that happened to me

1762
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 2: all the time.

1763
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 4: You need a little help at that point, I do

1764
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 4: agree with you.

1765
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:30,679
Speaker 6: So today it's our two hundred and ninety fourth episode.

1766
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 6: Ray has been on for two hundred and ninety two

1767
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 6: of those Far and Away. Today though, was our most

1768
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:40,600
Speaker 6: spirited pre fight or pre appearance meeting. The three of

1769
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 6: us were going at it pretty good off the air,

1770
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 6: too bad code, he wasn't speeding for everybody. Hey, real quick,

1771
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 6: I want some thoughts on Sean O'Malley, and then I

1772
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 6: want to talk about Chris Wyman and the locals and

1773
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 6: we'll get you on out of here. But what are

1774
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 6: your thoughts on Sean O'Malley Because a lot of people

1775
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 6: are prisoning him and rightfully so, and really enjoy watching

1776
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 6: him fight very very layered striker and layered martial artist

1777
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 6: and another highlight for the real your thoughts on O'Malley.

1778
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 4: Well, from a technical standpoint, the guys, the guy's in

1779
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 4: a plus man. I mean he's uh. He love his fans.

1780
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 4: I love the way he controls the range of a

1781
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 4: fight or is you know, as the woe coach, you

1782
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 4: would want to say distance management, you know, but his

1783
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 4: range is really perfect. I mean he's he good, He

1784
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 4: his every everything is good. He looks really good. Well,

1785
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 4: Kenny Hole, is he durable? That that's my only if

1786
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 4: I had to find a flaw? Yeah, whose injury is

1787
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 4: going to come back to Hornhm, he's a young guy.

1788
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 4: He's got a long way to go. But from a

1789
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:41,480
Speaker 4: technical standpoint, the kid knows how to fight. There's absolutely

1790
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 4: no question about it?

1791
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 2: You know, all right before we let you go.

1792
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 6: It's Monday, March twenty ninth, Carolina. Chris, still hanging out

1793
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 6: in South Carolina.

1794
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 4: He loves it. Yeah, he doesn't. He loves it.

1795
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 6: He loves Caroline, Carolina, Chris. I can't wait to drop

1796
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 6: that on the broadcast and upset all of you sensitive

1797
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 6: New yorkersously.

1798
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 4: So I'm the only guy.

1799
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 6: April twenty fourth, April twenty fourth, Jacksonville, Florida. Do you

1800
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 6: have an itinerary?

1801
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,639
Speaker 4: An itinerary as far as what I there?

1802
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 2: Yes?

1803
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:24,799
Speaker 6: Are you coming? Are you flying? I know you're coming,

1804
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 6: But do you have your flight yet? This is not

1805
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 6: a trick question.

1806
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 4: I don't have my flight yet, but I will do

1807
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:30,839
Speaker 4: that with today or tomorrow.

1808
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 6: I was actually going to offer up my services. I mean,

1809
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 6: this guy thinks I'm out to get it unbelievable. I'm

1810
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 6: actually misunderstood.

1811
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 4: I offered your services to TJ. DeSantis. He wants to

1812
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 4: come to the fight. I said, I said, you'd be

1813
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 4: more than happy to let him stay at your house

1814
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,559
Speaker 4: and drive him down. And he he thinks that's bullshit?

1815
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 4: Can you clarify that?

1816
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 2: I don't quite know what to say.

1817
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:55,719
Speaker 6: I'm all of a sudden, all choked up. I would

1818
01:28:55,720 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 6: absolutely use my No, Ian is not coming, TJ can

1819
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 6: use my tickets if he wants. I'm not sure that

1820
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 6: TJ wants to stay in my house with with all

1821
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,679
Speaker 6: of us Floridians and our lack of respect for COVID

1822
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 6: nineteen going to school every day, But whatever TJ wants,

1823
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 6: TJ is very loyal to this program for a long time. No,

1824
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:16,560
Speaker 6: I was just going to say that I'm driving a

1825
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 6: rental car from Jacksonville or excuse me, from Boca Ratona

1826
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 6: to Jacksonville, so that if you wanted to take a

1827
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 6: direct flight from New York to Orlando, then maybe we

1828
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,759
Speaker 6: could coordinate. I'm trying to help your ass.

1829
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 4: Oh wait a minute, well is there there is no

1830
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 4: direct flights to Jacksonville.

1831
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 6: Maybe because you're in New York you can get there,

1832
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 6: but for most of my colleagues they can't get to

1833
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 6: Johnsonville directly. So but hey, I'm just letting you know,

1834
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 6: I'm gonna have a car if you need to come

1835
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 6: to the airport, give su I'm happy to help out.

1836
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 4: Really.

1837
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, depending on my quarantine restriction. So that's all. So,

1838
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 6: But so I guess. So you're keeping tabs on Chris

1839
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,879
Speaker 6: from afar. Is he going straight from South Carolina to Jacksonville?

1840
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 4: I assume yeah, one hundred percent. He's he's he's having

1841
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 4: a great time in Carolina or I spoke to him.

1842
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 4: I might go out there next week, but I'm going

1843
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 4: to talk to him. I did say, you know, at

1844
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 4: the beginning, i'd come out there for a week, and

1845
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 4: then there's been some crazy shit going on, so there's

1846
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 4: we'll see what happens. But uh, I would like to

1847
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 4: at least go out there, you know, and touch base

1848
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 4: with him, because this is definitely not the way I

1849
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 4: like doing things. Uh. Uh, he's with it. You know,

1850
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 4: he's with one of his main partners as a kid

1851
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 4: we use back back in New York who happened to

1852
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 4: move to Carolina. So we got lucky with that. So

1853
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 4: I'm sure his wrestling is going to be on point.

1854
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 4: Uh and then we'll we'll we'll take it from there.

1855
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:32,879
Speaker 2: But he's he's.

1856
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 4: I do talk to him, and he's he's having a

1857
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 4: great time. He loves it, he loves the training. Uh

1858
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 4: and uh, he's healthy, and I think that's that's the

1859
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 4: major part. I always said with him.

1860
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 8: Is he's healthy, he's.

1861
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 4: Going to be a problem. So uh yeah, So I mean,

1862
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 4: I don't know, we'll see, but uh we'll tighten everything

1863
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 4: up within the next couple of days for sure, because

1864
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 4: I do have to book my ticket and we'll see.

1865
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 4: But I thank you for the office, whatever you need, whatever,

1866
01:30:59,640 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 4: I love.

1867
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:02,720
Speaker 6: But health has always been the buzzword when you talk

1868
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 6: to Chris Watton every single time.

1869
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 4: Oh everything, Yeah, and look, one quick thing, man, I

1870
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 4: want to touch on. I might be in the minority,

1871
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 4: but man, I want to give an a plus to

1872
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,639
Speaker 4: Tyrone Woodley. Man. I am blown away by the fact

1873
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 4: that he had the balls to go out and really

1874
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:20,679
Speaker 4: try to end that fight early. He did something different

1875
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 4: and that's not easy because we talk about that when

1876
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 4: you're the champ and it's hard to get back. You

1877
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 4: know what if he doesn't do that and he has

1878
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 4: the same type of fight, he has to go to

1879
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,680
Speaker 4: the rest of his life thinking what if, what if?

1880
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 4: Not anymore? He went for it. It almost worked, and

1881
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 4: hats off to that guy. It's not an easy thing

1882
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,599
Speaker 4: to do. Kenny. You could talk about that more than

1883
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 4: I can. But I love the fact that he tried

1884
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 4: to go back to the wrestling. He tried for those

1885
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,679
Speaker 4: big power shots. He didn't wait, you know, like think

1886
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 4: all those previous fights. You got to go for it,

1887
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 4: you gotta do this, you got He went for it.

1888
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 4: So I know it's a loss, but to me, it's

1889
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 4: one hundred percent of win. I love what he did,

1890
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 4: and it took a lot of fucking balls to do

1891
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 4: what he did, and a huge always liked him, but

1892
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 4: now I'm one hundred percent a huge fan of that.

1893
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 4: I think what he tried to do was phenomenal at

1894
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 4: this stage of his career.

1895
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad that you said that.

1896
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 6: I really am. Here's a tweet from Ken Flow. This

1897
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 6: was a Woodley that was really going for the finish

1898
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:18,599
Speaker 6: to night Tyron fought Harden to the end. Luka has

1899
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 6: a stone block for a head. See, I mean, you

1900
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 6: gotta follow Ken Flow. I don't care about the rest

1901
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 6: of the t week. That's good stuff. But I do

1902
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 6: think also the bonus for Tea Wood kind of softens

1903
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 6: the blow a little bit. And I'm not so much

1904
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 6: talking about the fifty thousand dollars, which only amounts to

1905
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 6: like eight grand a kid, probably after taxes for Tea Wood,

1906
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 6: But I think that aesthetically, the way this loss will

1907
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 6: age more gracefully is a fight of the night, knowing

1908
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 6: that it takes two in the fight of the night,

1909
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:47,479
Speaker 6: knowing that he caught Luk pretty good. I just think

1910
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 6: that will help Tyron in terms of the mental thereafter

1911
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:52,759
Speaker 6: as far as this fight is concerned.

1912
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 2: All Right, we gotta go, We gotta go. Hey, real quick.

1913
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,920
Speaker 6: Three wins for you on the regional scene this weekend

1914
01:32:58,960 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 6: is that right?

1915
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 4: Oh, man crushed it out in Florida. They were bad,

1916
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 4: they were We had a heck were they in Florida.

1917
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 4: Somewhere in Florida but uh not close to Tampa. Uh,

1918
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:12,599
Speaker 4: but yeah. We had Justin Mantello. Uh, justin Mantello. Sorry,

1919
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 4: but holy shit, Dylan Montello, justin Montalvo, these guys and

1920
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 4: Dennis Bizuoka. So those three guys did it. We also

1921
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 4: had Diana Diana Caravas who got submitted, but you know,

1922
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 4: trained in Florida asoff. So great night for the team,

1923
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 4: basically where we left off before COVID. That's why I

1924
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 4: loved about it. We were like twenty one and one,

1925
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 4: you know, and these guys, these guys are crushing it man,

1926
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 4: I mean really good. Fights. If you want to go

1927
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:42,720
Speaker 4: take a look at him on Trent and fights to

1928
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 4: do it me you'll be impressed. Uh great, we have

1929
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:49,640
Speaker 4: submission decision and uh and a knockout. I mean it

1930
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 4: was just a great night. And also shout out to

1931
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Speaker 4: Billy Q. He got married at the same you know,

1932
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:59,640
Speaker 4: he was very close getting hitched. Ye Steamroller, you know,

1933
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 4: couldn't be at the fights because he was at Billy's wedding.

1934
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 4: So big, big time for the team in Florida. It

1935
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 4: was good, good stuff. Man.

1936
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Speaker 6: Agree, You got to think that Mattha Steamroller for Vola

1937
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:14,160
Speaker 6: earned that groomsman designation. Billy You all right, Ray, Well,

1938
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 6: nothing makes me happier. I get so distracted kemflo when

1939
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:21,680
Speaker 6: he starts pronouncing his fighters surnames like that, it's fucking hilarious.

1940
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 2: All right, we gotta get on out of here.

1941
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 6: We gotta get on out of here.

1942
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 2: That's so thanks to what's that?

1943
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Speaker 4: Ray? Just just so everybody's a witness. So you will

1944
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Speaker 4: pick me up in Boca Ratone.

1945
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 6: Oh you want to come to Boca. Of course, we'll

1946
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 6: drive the whole way together. But I was going to

1947
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 6: say I can get you in Orlando, so you don't

1948
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 6: have to do the whole drive. I'll just get you

1949
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 6: closer to Jacksonville, Oh closer.

1950
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:51,480
Speaker 2: Exactly. So I'll drive three hours.

1951
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:53,680
Speaker 6: To Orlando, pick you up in Orlando, and then we'll

1952
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 6: drive the final ninety minutes together. We'll get stoned as

1953
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 6: Billy goats, and you get.

1954
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 7: A special Ray Longo minute at that happens fans, just

1955
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 7: so you.

1956
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 4: Know you don't don't make it happen. We put that

1957
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:07,559
Speaker 4: on somebody's story, your story, because I don't have one.

1958
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 6: But Instagram story.

1959
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Speaker 4: We'll do it.

1960
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 2: We'll do it all right.

1961
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Speaker 6: Offer expires in forty eight hours. That's going to do

1962
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 6: it for today. Thank you to our executive producer, Cody Merril,

1963
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 6: thanks to Ray Longo of course and Brian Stan.

1964
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Speaker 2: Next week we will get back to the fight.

1965
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Speaker 6: Predictions, of course, and a big show for the MMA

1966
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 6: Leader coming up on ABC April tenth with with Marvin

1967
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Speaker 6: Vittori and Darren Till in the main event. We'll be

1968
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Speaker 6: back with you next Monday. Don't forget if you want merchandise,

1969
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Speaker 6: Anti Florian podcast dot com and check out the Ray

1970
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:35,920
Speaker 6: long Go merch We gotta up sales, I mean, the

1971
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 6: Antiki Florian podcasts are selling pretty well, but try to

1972
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 6: sell the law now. I'm just kidding you know your

1973
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:42,799
Speaker 6: stuff always flies off the shelves.

1974
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Speaker 4: Baby, Seriously, guys, that quick, because I heard it's only

1975
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Speaker 4: two thousand.

1976
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 2: Left in the month.

1977
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 4: If you don't act within the next fifteen to twenty,

1978
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 4: you're going to be out. I'm just saying that's it.

1979
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Speaker 4: I don't know what else to say.

1980
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Speaker 2: If we're sold out. Maybe Sean O'Malley has some left, but.

1981
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Speaker 4: I fifteen years from now, you guys are problem. Hey,

1982
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 4: don't blame us. Then we gave you fair warning.

1983
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Speaker 6: All right until next Monday. We appreciate every last one

1984
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 6: of you watching, listening on the YouTube channel, and don't

1985
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 6: text and drive. And maybe with that mask militants if

1986
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,800
Speaker 6: you're wearing one, if you're listening, just pulled above the nose, sir,

1987
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 6: if you'd be so kind, and then we can be

1988
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:19,800
Speaker 6: wheels up. I'll talk to you guys next week.

1989
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 5: You'll I'm Royal Oaks next time.

1990
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Speaker 10: On Too Many Lawyers, we take on a couple of

1991
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 10: villains to sort out whether bad stuff is also illegal stuff.

1992
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 10: George Santos want a seat in Congress by lying to voters,

1993
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 10: but is that a crime, and Kanye West made it

1994
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 10: clear he hates Jews. In England, he go to jail

1995
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:57,759
Speaker 10: for that. Here in America, did he commit a hate crime?

1996
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Speaker 10: Listen to too many lawyers on the iHeart radio app,

1997
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Speaker 10: Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.