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<v Speaker 4>So we'll jumped right into it. So you guys are

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<v Speaker 4>college professors, right, and you know college is something that

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<v Speaker 4>is very it's a it's a hot topic and it's

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<v Speaker 4>something that triggers a lot of emotions in people, especially nowadays.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like anytime we put a post on Instagram about college,

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<v Speaker 4>we get a thousand comments and people saying like it's

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<v Speaker 4>a scam, no, wats your money, and other people saying

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<v Speaker 4>all kinds of stuff. Right, So I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 4>jump I'll just jump right into it. Is college still

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<v Speaker 4>necessary to be successful? Or it wasn't really ever necessary,

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<v Speaker 4>but in today's society it's college still necessary, still needed.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I think that college, I mean it's not needed,

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<v Speaker 5>it's I mean, it's something that you can do to

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<v Speaker 5>it's something that's possible.

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<v Speaker 6>I think should be an option, right.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think it should be forced upon that people

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<v Speaker 5>have to go to college.

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<v Speaker 6>I know.

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<v Speaker 5>I will say there's other ways of being success full

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<v Speaker 5>and go into certain fields that college is not needed

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<v Speaker 5>as much as it was five years ago. But some

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<v Speaker 5>things you do need, like if you want to be

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<v Speaker 5>a lawyer or a doctor, or you're in a stem

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<v Speaker 5>fields like college can be very productive. But then there's

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<v Speaker 5>some other majors where honestly you can you can learn

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<v Speaker 5>on YouTube, or you can learn about reading books, or

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<v Speaker 5>you can learn about just doing so, I don't think

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<v Speaker 5>it has to be a necessary thing to go to college,

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<v Speaker 5>but I do think it should still be an option.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I think also one of the biggest things about

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<v Speaker 7>college are the networks and the relationships that are made.

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<v Speaker 8>So it's very far and.

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<v Speaker 7>Few in between that you get to sit in a

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<v Speaker 7>room with a doctor, a future lawyer, a future dentist,

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<v Speaker 7>a future teacher and have conversations that are not about

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<v Speaker 7>your fields of study. And because we all know that

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<v Speaker 7>once we get into our you know, our real lives

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<v Speaker 7>after college, it starts to become a little bit closer

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<v Speaker 7>in the bubble where you're just dealing with people who

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<v Speaker 7>are who have similar interests. So college, for that particular space,

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<v Speaker 7>there's not many any other places that create that type

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<v Speaker 7>of environment. And academically there are some fields that do

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<v Speaker 7>still need it. But you know, I think that these institutions,

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of them are just not created for the

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<v Speaker 7>benefit of the students. I mean, there are a number

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<v Speaker 7>of colleges and universities that are doing that work, but

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<v Speaker 7>I think there are a lot that are scamming people,

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<v Speaker 7>and I think there are a lot that are not

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<v Speaker 7>doing the work.

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<v Speaker 3>It used to be looked at as a badge into

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<v Speaker 3>middle class life. But you had to have that piece

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<v Speaker 3>of paper if you wanted to get a good job,

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<v Speaker 3>get a house like that. That's going away with like

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<v Speaker 3>what any was just saying. It's like some things we're

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<v Speaker 3>just going to learn on the fly, Like we say

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<v Speaker 3>this all the time. We have no training in broadcasting,

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<v Speaker 3>but we're doing a podcast, right, Like we're learning these

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<v Speaker 3>things as we go. And I think, like, yes, there

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<v Speaker 3>are options that you can do outside of going to school,

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<v Speaker 3>but if there are our careers like lawyers and dogs,

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<v Speaker 3>like you said, it's mandatory. Man, I'm a college guy, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Like we had to do it in education, but like

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<v Speaker 3>I said before, like I feel like we could. I

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<v Speaker 3>could have done it out of high school given the

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<v Speaker 3>proper training, rather than seven years of dedication to that career.

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<v Speaker 6>You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>I think what college does is we live in a

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<v Speaker 4>society where image is very important, right, So what college

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<v Speaker 4>does is that it gives you a badge to say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>I have a certain level of success already built in

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<v Speaker 4>because I've completed my degree. So now I can at

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<v Speaker 4>least speak to you on an intelligent level when I

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<v Speaker 4>can be taken seriously, which is not always the case, right,

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<v Speaker 4>because there's plenty of people that graduated from what Kanye speaple.

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<v Speaker 4>Kanye said, people graduate from college will be still stupid.

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<v Speaker 4>That happens all the time. And then you got some

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<v Speaker 4>people who never went to college who are brilliant or

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<v Speaker 4>never finished college that are brilliant. So my personal opinion

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<v Speaker 4>on it is that I think that college is beneficial.

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<v Speaker 4>It can be beneficial from the social standpoint, specifically from

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<v Speaker 4>a social standpoint and growing as an adult, right because

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<v Speaker 4>especially if you go away from college, that's probably your

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity living on your own and you mature, you develop

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<v Speaker 4>a certain relationships, you meet people. That part you really

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<v Speaker 4>can't get just going out of high school. In the

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<v Speaker 4>real world, you can, but it's a lot more difficult.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not in an incubator where you're just around a

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<v Speaker 4>thousand people and you can just develop those type of relationships.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not easy to do that and just real world life.

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<v Speaker 4>But I feel that a lot of times people are

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<v Speaker 4>misguided right when they go to college. So this is

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<v Speaker 4>my next question. As far as you know, one of

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<v Speaker 4>the biggest things for college for me is majors. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>So you guys are on the inside. And I see.

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<v Speaker 4>I saw that even when I was in school. Anybody

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<v Speaker 4>that doesn't know I have a communications degree, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>have a business degree. So but when I went to school,

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<v Speaker 4>they told me like, look, just get a degree. Doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're not trying to be a doctor or a

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<v Speaker 4>rocket scientist, it doesn't matter. And it honestly didn't because

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<v Speaker 4>when I graduated, I'm a financial advisable. When I graduated,

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<v Speaker 4>in order to do what I had to do, I

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<v Speaker 4>had to pass three different tests. So I had to

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<v Speaker 4>study for like nine months. So it doesn't matter if

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<v Speaker 4>I would have got a business degree or not, I

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<v Speaker 4>still would have had to study. So it's kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like I went to college. After I went to college anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>and now I have my licenses so I can do

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<v Speaker 4>whatever I want to do. So but I could have

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<v Speaker 4>had an art degree. I could have had any kind

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<v Speaker 4>of degree, right, So how important is it to pick

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<v Speaker 4>the right major and how do you determine what is

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<v Speaker 4>the right major?

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<v Speaker 5>So this is for parents and people got in students

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<v Speaker 5>for college. So before I was a professor, I should

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<v Speaker 5>work in a mission. So the most important part when

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<v Speaker 5>talking to parents or talking to students is when you're

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<v Speaker 5>choosing a school, especially when it comes to majors, your

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<v Speaker 5>major should be a top five major within that school.

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<v Speaker 5>What I mean by that is top five with enrollment

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<v Speaker 5>and also they have placement for the companies that deal

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<v Speaker 5>exactly what your major. And if you're not in those

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<v Speaker 5>top five areas for your major, what can happen, honestly

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<v Speaker 5>is you can be two years in at the school

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<v Speaker 5>and if there's not enough students enrolled in that program,

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<v Speaker 5>your program, and now you're still at that college. So

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<v Speaker 5>it's very important as we guide our students telling to

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<v Speaker 5>go to college. Yeah that's great, but please make sure

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<v Speaker 5>whatever field you're trying to go into is one a

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<v Speaker 5>popular major within the school. Two has the partnerships outside

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<v Speaker 5>of the school with the different companies. And then, last,

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<v Speaker 5>but not least, is the mentality of knowing where the

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<v Speaker 5>United States or where your country where you're living at

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<v Speaker 5>is going to be the next five years as far

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<v Speaker 5>as the job marketing careers and what's going to be

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<v Speaker 5>in demand. Not what I always say this mentality of

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<v Speaker 5>not five minutes from now, start taking five years from now.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>So when you're making that decision, what does a communications

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<v Speaker 5>degree look like five years.

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<v Speaker 6>From now, right, what does that feel looks like? Look like?

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<v Speaker 6>Is every going to be around photography?

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<v Speaker 5>Is that's something that you really have to go to

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<v Speaker 5>school for when you can potentially learn that, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>So that's that's kind of the key when picking your

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<v Speaker 5>majors is making sure that the school provides the resources

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<v Speaker 5>but can also place you at the job. But it

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<v Speaker 5>also is a demand. But in the next few years,

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<v Speaker 5>I couldn't agree more.

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<v Speaker 6>Man Like.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of times, especially in our community, when our

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<v Speaker 3>kids think about college, the first thing they think out

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<v Speaker 3>the athletics, right, like I want to go to do

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<v Speaker 3>or I want to go in North Carolina, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to go to Yukon, right, And when you get there,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're not there on athletics, it's like, well, I

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<v Speaker 3>want to study communications. Well that's not one of those majors.

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<v Speaker 3>That is one of the best things at that school.

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<v Speaker 3>So like you should be looking past just like, yo,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm alumni and I go to that school for the sports,

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<v Speaker 3>right if it means it doesn't mean as much when

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<v Speaker 3>you come out of Yukon with a communication gree.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a communication degree, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 8>But I want to go back to what you said.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't go back to what you said because you

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<v Speaker 8>said that.

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<v Speaker 6>It doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 3>And in my head, I'm like, yeah, it doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 3>if you're on an athletic scholarship. If it matters to

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<v Speaker 3>a guy like me, who was like, I'm studying physical

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<v Speaker 3>therapy and I don't want to be a physical therapist,

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<v Speaker 3>right and I've paid thirty thousand dollars for four years,

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<v Speaker 3>It's like this matters a lot, right, Like, now what

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<v Speaker 3>do I do? Do I have to continue going when

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to do this? Or do I have

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<v Speaker 3>to figure out what can I do?

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<v Speaker 6>Like that?

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of fell into that thing. It was like

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<v Speaker 3>the school I was at it was great for physical therapy.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't pass the science classes. I'm like, yo, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not going to be a physical therapist. I got to

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<v Speaker 3>figure out what I can get and gratefully I was

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<v Speaker 3>able to go to school with a health science degree,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was.

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<v Speaker 6>Like, all right, well what does that even mean? You

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<v Speaker 6>know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>So I have to start figuring out, like and what's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 5>We talk about this all the time, and Jeff in

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<v Speaker 5>particular use this analogy of you know, and everything else

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<v Speaker 5>you buy something, you challenge to make sure that the

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<v Speaker 5>service that they're providing is correct, right. And I feel

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<v Speaker 5>like people are not challenging some of these schools when

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<v Speaker 5>they're paying all this money. You know, you're paying and

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<v Speaker 5>maybe because you're not physically using cash and handing over

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<v Speaker 5>fifty thousand dollars, you're not seeing the money, so you

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<v Speaker 5>maybe don't care as much as if you're going to

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<v Speaker 5>a restaurant, like you know, Jeff always says about, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>if you order steak and they bring out chicken nuggets,

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<v Speaker 5>are you gonna eat chicken nuggets?

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<v Speaker 6>Or you're going to say I ordered steak.

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<v Speaker 5>And many times students are paying all this money for

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<v Speaker 5>a school and then not providing the services that they're promised,

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<v Speaker 5>and they're not challenging the school right or asking questions before.

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<v Speaker 5>And I don't know, maybe it's because again you're not

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<v Speaker 5>physically handing that money over and you think, I, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>I'll just get a job and I paid all later.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think it should really treat it like everything

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<v Speaker 5>else you purchase.

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<v Speaker 3>That that's a problem, especially in our community, man, like

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<v Speaker 3>we don't know how to advocate for the things we want.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I've seen it over and over with parents not

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<v Speaker 3>being able to advocate for the kids. But then the

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<v Speaker 3>kids grow up and they don't know how to advocate.

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<v Speaker 3>So if they all being mistreated at school and the

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<v Speaker 3>things that not being about it, it's like who.

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<v Speaker 4>Do I How do you challenge the system? Because I

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<v Speaker 4>mean that's like going up against system.

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<v Speaker 6>So I don't want to even say, like challenge the system.

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<v Speaker 6>It's simple things.

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<v Speaker 5>So if there's like a college fair at your school,

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<v Speaker 5>like every school, typically at high school, they bring in

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<v Speaker 5>college representatives, you know, instead of asking questions like students

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<v Speaker 5>get these questions from guidance counselors and some people. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know where they get these questions from, like what's

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<v Speaker 5>the percentage of student success at your school? Like that's

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<v Speaker 5>not the question should be asking. You'd be asking, you know, look,

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<v Speaker 5>I want to be an engineer. How can you how

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<v Speaker 5>can this school help me become an engineer? How can

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<v Speaker 5>this school help me become a bio mechanical engineer?

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<v Speaker 6>Like whatever?

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<v Speaker 5>How does how? What are the tools at your school

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<v Speaker 5>to get me there? But also is this major a

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<v Speaker 5>popular major at your school? Can I talk to somebody

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<v Speaker 5>at the institution, the career center and find out how

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<v Speaker 5>many people you placed at a job in the last

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<v Speaker 5>three to four years at point. You know, like those

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<v Speaker 5>type of questions need to be asked, and unfortunately we don't.

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<v Speaker 5>We don't provide those resources, them tools enough, and that's

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<v Speaker 5>why we create the platform that we create.

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<v Speaker 6>That's part of the things that we deal with to let.

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<v Speaker 5>Students know, like you do have a voice number one

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<v Speaker 5>and number two to ask those type of questions before

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<v Speaker 5>spending all of this money.

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<v Speaker 4>Jef, I wanted to ask you a question. We spoke

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<v Speaker 4>of CAM about the hitting curriculum.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so the idea, so it kind of goes into

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<v Speaker 7>the aspect that the students don't know who to ask,

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<v Speaker 7>so that there is that problem I don't know where

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<v Speaker 7>to go, and the institutions are not doing the job properly.

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<v Speaker 7>A lot of institutions are not doing the job properly

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<v Speaker 7>and creating a space for students to understand things like

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<v Speaker 7>acronyms that students don't know. So I don't know what

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<v Speaker 7>FASSA might stand for, and that's talking about financial aid.

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<v Speaker 7>If you don't know what that means, then you're out

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<v Speaker 7>of luck. You don't know what the bursar office means.

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<v Speaker 7>And these are the things that are just directly dealing

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<v Speaker 7>with your money.

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<v Speaker 6>Sounds like it's already.

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<v Speaker 8>So you don't know what these things are.

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<v Speaker 7>So I think it's just essential for And this is

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<v Speaker 7>where I think the big problem is is that there

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<v Speaker 7>are institutions that are about creating careers for people who

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<v Speaker 7>want to be educators.

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<v Speaker 8>So they want to go up.

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<v Speaker 7>The ladder and become vice presidents and become deans and

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<v Speaker 7>become provosts and presidents of institutions without caring about the students.

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<v Speaker 7>So then they create these platforms and they create these

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<v Speaker 7>spaces where the students cannot succeed.

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<v Speaker 8>So I'm not going to sugarcoat it.

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<v Speaker 7>There are academic institutions that are out there primarily just

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<v Speaker 7>to build careers and primarily just to make money. The

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<v Speaker 7>proper institutions that are doing the work are the ones

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<v Speaker 7>that say we are going to make sure that you

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<v Speaker 7>know who to speak to. And with the hidden curriculums,

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<v Speaker 7>that just means that there are things that are being

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<v Speaker 7>hidden in regular nomenclature. So it's saying we know what

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<v Speaker 7>it is, but a seventeen year old does not know

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<v Speaker 7>what that is, and we expect them to know what

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<v Speaker 7>it is, then succeed in that space, and then excel

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<v Speaker 7>beyond that. And then by the time they hit to

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<v Speaker 7>year two or three, we see the retention level drops

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<v Speaker 7>because the student doesn't know what the term retention even means.

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<v Speaker 7>So we're saying, we want to keep you here, but

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<v Speaker 7>are we even doing the work that needs to be done.

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<v Speaker 7>So ultimately, at the end of the day, that's where

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<v Speaker 7>we have to start to do more work, is saying

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<v Speaker 7>what are the students getting and who do they need

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<v Speaker 7>to speak to so to really touch on the comments

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<v Speaker 7>that we were just saying. One of the things that

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<v Speaker 7>I can tell all people who are sending any of

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<v Speaker 7>their students to college or are going back to school themselves,

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<v Speaker 7>is that you have to really find particular individuals on

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<v Speaker 7>your campus. I can't stress the I can't stress it

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<v Speaker 7>enough that you have to get involved, and I means

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<v Speaker 7>you have to find somebody who's already doing the work

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<v Speaker 7>and make sure you align yourself with that. Find the

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<v Speaker 7>Jeff or the Lenny on your campus and sit in

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<v Speaker 7>their office introduce yourselves, because what ends up happening is

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<v Speaker 7>I'm the one that's going to put you in touch

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<v Speaker 7>with this person, that person, this individual to help you

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<v Speaker 7>succeed because doing it by yourself is literally impossible.

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<v Speaker 4>Now we was talking off cameras too, when it's difficult

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<v Speaker 4>because I think my experience is a little jaded because

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<v Speaker 4>I was I played basketball, so when I went to school,

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<v Speaker 4>I got I was on athletic scholarship. So if anybody's

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<v Speaker 4>not familiar athletes, it's different, especially at a Division I school.

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<v Speaker 4>So when I got to campus, you know, we had

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<v Speaker 4>our own study hall just for the athletes. We had

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<v Speaker 4>our own advisor just for the athletes. Our books was free,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, they would stay on us like make sure,

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<v Speaker 4>like what are you're doing? Like you just going to class?

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean. It's like so it's easier

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<v Speaker 4>because it's more structured. But for somebody that's just going

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<v Speaker 4>to college on their own, and especially if your if

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<v Speaker 4>you know, your parents didn't go to college, but you

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<v Speaker 4>don't your first generation, it's a lot that goes into

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<v Speaker 4>college that's different from high school. Like I remember the

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<v Speaker 4>valid valedictorian of my school a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 4>that my high school that I went to. He's a

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<v Speaker 4>lot younger than me. Obviously, and I spoke to him.

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<v Speaker 4>He's in Harvard, and I was asking him, like, how

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<v Speaker 4>you're doing at Harvard, and he's like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't prepared. This is the valedictorian of the school kid, obviously,

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<v Speaker 4>but he's like high school which is just so easy

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<v Speaker 4>for me, and I'm in Harvard and it's just way different.

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<v Speaker 4>And he was like, you know, I never realized how

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<v Speaker 4>much I wasn't prepared until I was in that position.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that that happens all the time, and

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<v Speaker 4>like you said, a lot of times unfortunately, especially you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you might have family issues, whatever, kids just drop out

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<v Speaker 4>because you know, you fall behind a couple semesters and

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<v Speaker 4>let alone, not even talking about financial issues, just social

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<v Speaker 4>issues and just dealing with school and structuring your time.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, how can somebody fully equip themselves for making

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<v Speaker 4>that jump from high school to college?

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<v Speaker 7>First you sign up with Trill or not Trill, but

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<v Speaker 7>you know, to fully equip yourself, it takes a lot.

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<v Speaker 7>And this is where we have to really invest. We

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<v Speaker 7>were just talking about that off camera too, about how

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<v Speaker 7>much money you place on a college degree, whether you're

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<v Speaker 7>going there for free or you're paying full tuition, there's

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<v Speaker 7>no I mean outside of a house, there's no larger

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<v Speaker 7>investment that you're really making problem throughout your life. And

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<v Speaker 7>in the same way that you invest in the house,

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<v Speaker 7>you're searching for multiple houses. But then even before that,

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<v Speaker 7>you want to know how is the house, how you know,

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<v Speaker 7>how is it built? What was What do I have

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<v Speaker 7>to do to fix this space? What do I have

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<v Speaker 7>to do to make sure that my family, if I

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<v Speaker 7>want to start a family, goes in here. It can't

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<v Speaker 7>just be let me just show up, pull up and

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<v Speaker 7>figure out the rest investment, right, And so what people

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<v Speaker 7>have to do is is really start to invest in

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<v Speaker 7>the child and the student's education before they even get

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<v Speaker 7>in there and find the programs because colleges and universities

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<v Speaker 7>some of them will do it, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>them will not. And say, listen, we're going to give

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<v Speaker 7>you a two day orientation session to figure out how

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<v Speaker 7>to succeed in college. And you know you and they're

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<v Speaker 7>trying to holler at other people you and they're trying

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<v Speaker 7>to have fun, you know, because they're also doing that too.

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<v Speaker 8>There's a dj at that things directors there.

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<v Speaker 7>You're sitting here thinking like, man, I don't even know

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<v Speaker 7>what registraw is, and I remember like, as a college student,

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<v Speaker 7>I was like, is it register And they're like, no,

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<v Speaker 7>it's registrar And I'm like, why what is that when

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<v Speaker 7>you're registering for class?

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<v Speaker 8>Correct, when you're registering for class.

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<v Speaker 7>So there are these simple little things that students aren't

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<v Speaker 7>prepared for, and so for me, I just think that

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<v Speaker 8>Without making every possible detail before it. You have to

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<v Speaker 8>do the same.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think the key is invest past financials because

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of people always talk about college and investing

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<v Speaker 5>and it's only the financial piece when we're saying about

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<v Speaker 5>the investment, saying due to research as well and understand

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<v Speaker 5>where college is going, what colleges are doing at different

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<v Speaker 5>degrees because it can be really beneficial for you.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's also very important I think what Jeff said

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<v Speaker 4>as far as to find people on campus that know

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<v Speaker 4>the deal and because that helped me out a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>As far as like when I first got there, I

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<v Speaker 4>had somebody job at my mansion. Well he's from the

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<v Speaker 4>Bronx and he was a junior when I was a freshman.

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<v Speaker 4>He was on the team and he was seasoned. He

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<v Speaker 4>was there for two years. So he kind of explained

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<v Speaker 4>to me, like, take this class, don't do this and

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<v Speaker 4>have this many credits, and like this professor is cool,

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<v Speaker 4>and he kind of walked me through it and from

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<v Speaker 4>there I was able to have a smooth transition. But

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's important to have that mentor. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know if schools have program they do.

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<v Speaker 5>And then the other thing before you even talk about

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<v Speaker 5>what you want. The mentors just don't get too caught

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<v Speaker 5>up on titles as well. Right, looking for somebody with

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<v Speaker 5>a leadership title to be a mentor. There's just people

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<v Speaker 5>on campus that literally run a campus but don't have

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<v Speaker 5>any fancy title.

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<v Speaker 3>There be no person that works in a book store

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<v Speaker 3>right right, everybody and they've been there for twenty years,

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<v Speaker 3>so they know exactly what books to get, they know

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<v Speaker 3>exactly where to go.

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<v Speaker 8>There's the person who's cleaning up the student union building.

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<v Speaker 7>They're know, hey, listen, you know you need to join

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<v Speaker 7>this club, or hey, you know you need to talk

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<v Speaker 7>to Jeff because Jeff.

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<v Speaker 8>Knows who everybody is.

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<v Speaker 7>And so that's where, you know, we always talk about

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<v Speaker 7>the difference of what a mentor means. So we tell people,

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<v Speaker 7>number one, you need a digital mentor, and a digital

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<v Speaker 7>mentor is somebody that is online, that has an online

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<v Speaker 7>presence at that institution or otherwise that you know, you

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<v Speaker 7>can just watch what they're doing. And that might just

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<v Speaker 7>mean I'm watching somebody's Instagram feed or Twitter feed and saying,

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<v Speaker 7>all right, you know what I need to just know

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<v Speaker 7>because this person is providing a wealth of information. There's

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<v Speaker 7>a generational mentor, so that means you also need to

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<v Speaker 7>know somebody who is from a different generation than you are,

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<v Speaker 7>younger and older, who have different mindsets and different viewpoints

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<v Speaker 7>that you can say, all right, this is the generational

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<v Speaker 7>mentor that's older than I am, that's going to be

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<v Speaker 7>providing me the traditional sense of leadership.

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<v Speaker 8>But then here's this person that's.

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<v Speaker 7>Also maybe a little bit younger than I am, that

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<v Speaker 7>I can give them information and then they give me

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<v Speaker 7>back some information.

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<v Speaker 5>And then like your boy that you said at your school,

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<v Speaker 5>be what we call peer mentor right right, somebody that's

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<v Speaker 5>in that same age range, same age bracket doing this,

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<v Speaker 5>you know the same things that you're doing, and that's

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<v Speaker 5>a fellow peer of yours that can really help.

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<v Speaker 4>You out for sure. All right, So now we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to go into the next seven. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 4>about the financials, and we're also going to talk about

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<v Speaker 4>chill or natural so yeah, yes, I love that. All right.

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<v Speaker 4>So now we're going to talk about the number one

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<v Speaker 4>thing when it comes to school is how to pay

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<v Speaker 4>for it?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, money, money, As we said, man, it's the biggest

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<v Speaker 3>financial decision that they're going to make. And they have,

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<v Speaker 3>especially high school schoents, they got about three years and

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<v Speaker 3>that's you're making that decision at eighteen. Like a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people won't get approved the loan for a house,

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<v Speaker 3>they probably won't. They may not get approved to get

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<v Speaker 3>a loan for a car, but they will get approved.

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<v Speaker 4>Student loan is real and something like I said once again,

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<v Speaker 4>I was fortunate not to have to a loan because

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<v Speaker 4>I had a scholarship. But I have brothers and sister

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<v Speaker 4>and they both have to I think they're both still

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<v Speaker 4>paying on this. They're both older than me. But student

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<v Speaker 4>loans is real. Financial leid is definitely real. All that

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<v Speaker 4>is real, So you.

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<v Speaker 6>Can't escape it. No, no, no filing for bankruancy on

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<v Speaker 6>student loan.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh they're gonna want their money, thank you, so so,

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<v Speaker 4>But like, what's what's What's some hacks that parents because

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of parents listen to our podcasts and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>might have children in college or children getting ready to

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<v Speaker 4>go to college. What some hacks that and even children

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<v Speaker 4>or young adults can use to minimize the cost of college.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the big hacks for high school students is

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<v Speaker 5>taking college courses while you're in high school. Now, so

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<v Speaker 5>high schools and some districts provide that, and they're called

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<v Speaker 5>like articulation agreements, another fancy words, another fancy hire Edward,

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<v Speaker 5>but their call articulation or dual agreements or partnerships where

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of community colleges now and some four year

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<v Speaker 5>schools are trying to build upon their enrollment. So what

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<v Speaker 5>they're doing is they're they're allowing high school students to

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<v Speaker 5>start taking classes at a lower rate or for free.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's something where you look at in your in

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<v Speaker 6>your area, your.

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<v Speaker 5>Region, your district, especially within the community colleges, your kids

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<v Speaker 5>can take some of those level one hundred.

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<v Speaker 6>Courses at a lower rate. How do you how do

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<v Speaker 6>you get going on campus? You can go on campus,

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<v Speaker 6>so you can call.

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<v Speaker 5>What you can do is you can call most colleges

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<v Speaker 5>have what they call like a pre college program, pre

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<v Speaker 5>summer program, summer academies, and look look inside of some

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<v Speaker 5>of those programs, those summer camps and maybe don't send

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<v Speaker 5>your kids to maybe your sports camp in the town.

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<v Speaker 5>You send them to a business academy camp at like

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<v Speaker 5>let's say a Pace University, and then they can potentially

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<v Speaker 5>get credits for class while they're at that camp.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's that's the way to kind of look at it.

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<v Speaker 5>I would look at your local community colleges first, give

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<v Speaker 5>them a call.

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<v Speaker 6>A lot of them do allow high school students to.

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<v Speaker 5>Take classes on Saturdays and at night, So that's something

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<v Speaker 5>that you can you can definitely look out for, and

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<v Speaker 5>you can go in as what they call another fancy

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<v Speaker 5>college where like a non matriculated student.

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<v Speaker 4>That's yeah, that's a good word.

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<v Speaker 6>I know.

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<v Speaker 7>I think another thing too is to just be honest

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<v Speaker 7>about going to community colleges. So community colleges are way

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<v Speaker 7>less expensive than they are than for your institutions are.

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<v Speaker 7>And so if your student is not fully prepared because

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<v Speaker 7>they just don't know.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, at eighteen, you just may not know.

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<v Speaker 7>And at eighteen, I thought I was going to be

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<v Speaker 7>a high school basketball coach, teaching English classes that in

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<v Speaker 7>my old high school, and that's what I thought I

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<v Speaker 7>was going to do. And I went into college thinking

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<v Speaker 7>that that was the plan. And I realized that I

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<v Speaker 7>didn't want to do that at all about two years

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<v Speaker 7>into the game, and so I had I don't know

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<v Speaker 7>if community college was particularly for me, but I'm paying.

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<v Speaker 7>I paid for those two years, and I paid a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of money for those two years. And for some

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:04.640
<v Speaker 7>people who are just not quite sure if they want

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<v Speaker 7>to go to college or if this institution is go

0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:09.679
<v Speaker 7>to a two year and bang out two years of

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<v Speaker 7>college that are going to be a lot less expensive,

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<v Speaker 7>and then succeed at those two years and then you

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<v Speaker 7>can get into whatever school you want.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, Harvard is giving away.

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<v Speaker 7>Full scholarships to students who excel at a community college,

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:23.879
<v Speaker 7>as are so many other excellent institutions, So you know,

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<v Speaker 7>I think that's one that's another way to minimize some

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<v Speaker 7>of the costs. And another thing I wanted to add

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<v Speaker 7>is alumni offices are a secret hidden money giving a space.

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<v Speaker 7>It's called advancement at most universities. But your alumni offices

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:46.919
<v Speaker 7>are always collecting money from donors who are saying, we

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<v Speaker 7>want to give money to a black male student from

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<v Speaker 7>upstate New York who enjoys watching soccer, and they literally

0:27:57.359 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 7>will say, that's the only way we're going to give

0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 7>five thousand dollars to this program. Or we're going to

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<v Speaker 7>give five thousand dollars to a student who's involved in

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:06.879
<v Speaker 7>the Haitian Students Club, and that's the only way we're going

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 7>to give five thousand dollars. I donate to my school,

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:13.200
<v Speaker 7>and I give money only to the Black Student Union

0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:16.359
<v Speaker 7>that helps shape my career. So we have money that

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 7>we give to you have to be involved in that club.

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 7>But students don't know because they don't always announce those scholarships.

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<v Speaker 7>They're just there on the website that nobody knows.

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<v Speaker 8>So I tell.

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<v Speaker 7>Students once a month going to that office and say

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:32.680
<v Speaker 7>are you offering any scholarships and they will be there.

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<v Speaker 5>And then for those people, I mean, we both did it.

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 5>We both donated and created our own scholarships. I created

0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:40.120
<v Speaker 5>one out of community college, created one out of high school.

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<v Speaker 5>And for those people that are watching that don't know

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 5>how to give back money, you can call the foundations

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 5>and advancement and alumni officers at these colleges and do

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 5>a two hundred and fifty dollars scholarship or five hundred

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 5>dollars scholarship to help students as well. Another misconception is

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<v Speaker 5>that you have to finish a community college in order

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<v Speaker 5>to transfer.

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<v Speaker 6>That's not true. Every school is different.

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<v Speaker 5>So for example, in New Jersey where I live, there's

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<v Speaker 5>two things that I want to kind of put out there.

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<v Speaker 5>There's two things in New Jersey. Let's say you have

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<v Speaker 5>twelve credits in a two point zero you can transfer

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<v Speaker 5>into most four year state schools in New Jersey. It's

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<v Speaker 5>give me two point five into most state schools in

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 5>New Jersey. New Jersey also has another program, and most

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 5>states do have programs like this called NJ Stars where

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:24.720
<v Speaker 5>a student maybe didn't do particularly well in their SATs,

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 5>but they're in the top twenty percent of the top

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 5>ten percent of their class. And if you're in the

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 5>top ten percent of your class, you go to college

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 5>for free, community college. Then when you go to community college,

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<v Speaker 5>if you get your associate's degree and you have a

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 5>three point two GPA, you can get another scholarship to

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<v Speaker 5>go finish your bachelor's degree at a four year college

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 5>and that'll be it in Jstars two. So in Jstars

0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:45.719
<v Speaker 5>one it's community college. You can transfer out and then

0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 5>you go into in Jstars two. So these are type

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:49.680
<v Speaker 5>of programs that they have in a lot of I

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 5>just know that particular because I'm from New Jersey, but

0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 5>they have these type of programs within the states. So

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 5>don't get too caught up saying, well, I'm top twenty

0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 5>percent of the class, I want to go to this

0:29:57.720 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 5>big school.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you might be.

0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 5>Your top twenty percent might be different from another high school,

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<v Speaker 5>so you might not get as much money as far

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 5>as scholarships. So take advantage of the scholarship that you

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 5>do have, maybe at that community college, and then go

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 5>on and then potentially transfer and get scholarships as well.

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 6>So it's just transfer scholarships.

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:14.959
<v Speaker 3>As you're talking, I'm listening because we do this this

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 3>project with the kids who are going into college, like

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 3>even say an associates degree, they like have no ideas.

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 3>That's traditionally fifty six credits, right, and then obviously your

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:25.720
<v Speaker 3>bachelor is when you finish traditionally one hundred and twenty

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 3>credits of school. That might take for four or five years,

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 3>hopefully because it's.

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<v Speaker 5>Going to cost you and you don't But and on

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<v Speaker 5>top of that, you know, after a certain amount of credits,

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 5>after I think one hundred and sixty, I want to say,

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:40.680
<v Speaker 5>you run out of financial aid so you can continue

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 5>to go to school. They'll let you go to school,

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 5>they don't care, but your financial aid can you can

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:45.600
<v Speaker 5>exhaust your financial aid?

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<v Speaker 6>That's important.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was going to say, like in addition to that,

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 3>like a lot, there's a misconception with community college, Like

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 3>you said, after those two years you transfer to a

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 3>four year school, Like when you graduate and you go

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 3>into your career, nobody's looking at like, yo, what junior

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 3>you transfer from community college? And then New York State

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 3>has now like in the past two years they started

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 3>the Excel to your program. So State school is also

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 3>a good thing. Right, it's at least it's less than.

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 6>If you went to a private school. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>So, if you go to state school and you live

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 3>in New York and you know your parents make under

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 3>a certain amount of money, you can have I think

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 3>room and board for free, and to which I was, well,

0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 3>so that's another option. If community college is like, it's

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 3>not something you want to do, go to your local

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 3>state school if you live in New York, and then

0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:28.880
<v Speaker 3>I think the only recommend the requirement is that you

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<v Speaker 3>have to work in the state four years after you

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<v Speaker 3>or however long.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, a lot of schools are doing.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, if your parents make seventy thousand hours, your

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 5>household income is seventy thousand hours, you go to school

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 5>for free. That's something that's happened in New Jersey where

0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 5>all the community colleges will be free start in September.

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 5>These are again, these are the type of programs that

0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 5>you should know. But most importantly you just brought up

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<v Speaker 5>a really good point. Public understand what a public college

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 5>is and a private college. Right, nine times out of ten,

0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 5>a private college costs more than a public college, and

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<v Speaker 5>it doesn't mean that.

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<v Speaker 6>And it goes back to what I said. It doesn't

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 6>mean that they're a better school.

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<v Speaker 5>It's literally because they're privately funded, so it's a little

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 5>it's a little bit different when it comes to how

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<v Speaker 5>much they charge for tuition. So it's very important to

0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 5>know what a public college is and a private and

0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:12.760
<v Speaker 5>a private and know the difference.

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<v Speaker 4>That's important. Yeah, because I actually did a podcast before

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<v Speaker 4>and somebody asked me that question, and I was saying

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 4>that nobody cares, like especially if you plan on getting

0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:23.840
<v Speaker 4>a degree outside of the other first degree. So like

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 4>if you if you know you're going to get a

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 4>four year degree and you go into a two year school,

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:30.760
<v Speaker 4>or if you know you're going to get a master's degree, right,

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.240
<v Speaker 4>they only care about the last degree that you have, true,

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 4>and that school that you went to. So like Barack

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:38.840
<v Speaker 4>Obama is a perfect example. He went to his first

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 4>school that he went to for two years is like

0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 4>some no name school in California. Then he went to

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:47.480
<v Speaker 4>Columbia and then he went to Harvard after that. Right,

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 4>when you hear the stories, it's only that he went

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 4>to Harvard Law and he graduated from Columbia. They never

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 4>say the first school that he went to. It doesn't matter,

0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 4>but you save a lot of money, you prepare yourself,

0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 4>and you grow so a lot of time. I'm not

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 4>the best person to give this speech because I went

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:06.640
<v Speaker 4>to the University of Hawaii, But you might have to

0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:10.440
<v Speaker 4>humble yourself and stay home right and learn, learn the ropes,

0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 4>and you know, stay at home for a couple of

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 4>years and then go out on your own. Or you know,

0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 4>you might just sacrifice for four years, stay at home,

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:20.720
<v Speaker 4>save money, go to your local school in your area,

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 4>your state school. It'll you might not get the same

0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:28.560
<v Speaker 4>joy as you know going out on your own and

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:32.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, going to a crazy destination, but the grand

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 4>scheme of things, it might make a lot of sense

0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:36.480
<v Speaker 4>long term.

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<v Speaker 6>That's my story in itself.

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 3>Right, I stayed home, I went to school locally, right,

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 3>But what I did during that time was I was

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 3>able to get experience. Whereas somebody who comes out of

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 3>school and is looking for experience, I already have four

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 3>years on you. So sometimes when you go to a

0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 3>career or job, it's like, yeah, you have this, but

0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:53.240
<v Speaker 3>do you have the experience? Like I'm doing that as

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to school and obviously I don't have to

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 3>pay for room and board, or anything like that.

0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:58.480
<v Speaker 6>So it helped in that way.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and also look at another compointent by experience also

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:04.719
<v Speaker 5>got the career centers within the college. I know, in

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:08.440
<v Speaker 5>my junior year, my job, my internship was also kind

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 5>of as credits, so it could be considered like a

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.839
<v Speaker 5>co op program. So your class can actually eliminate I mean,

0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 5>your job can actually eliminate you taking a certain class

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:18.359
<v Speaker 5>because the work that you're doing, the experience that you're

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 5>doing is learning learn learning experience. And then they'll give

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 5>you a professor to kind of you know, follow you

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 5>along and then you write a paper about it in

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:28.760
<v Speaker 5>a semester. And not only did you get paid to work,

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:31.359
<v Speaker 5>but you also got credits which saved you money as well.

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:34.799
<v Speaker 4>So, Jeff, you have an interesting story about j Cole.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so you know, this is the thing about college.

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:39.759
<v Speaker 7>So this kind of goes into this conversation about how

0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 7>to find money and how to be more successful in it.

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:44.399
<v Speaker 7>So I went to Saint John's University and I went

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 7>to school with j. Cole, And you know, I was

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:49.799
<v Speaker 7>president of our Black student union which was called Haraah

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 7>and at that time we were the largest organization. They

0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:56.319
<v Speaker 7>had a massive budget over one hundred thousand dollars. And

0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 7>what we were able to do was I became president

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:01.160
<v Speaker 7>of that. And becoming president of that, they gave me

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 7>a five thousand dollars stipend. So right there, I got

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:05.919
<v Speaker 7>an extra five k that I didn't have for doing

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 7>some student work on top of the stipend. With that budget,

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:10.839
<v Speaker 7>I was able to also bring in a bunch of

0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 7>different speakers. I mean Cornell, Wes, Maya, Angelou, all these

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 7>people that I wanted to meet, we had the money

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:19.880
<v Speaker 7>to bring them in. Now, the Jay colepiece is is

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:22.960
<v Speaker 7>leveraging the networking opportunity. So if you're going to go

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:24.759
<v Speaker 7>to a college, I don't care what school it is,

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 7>I want you to go in there and make sure

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.319
<v Speaker 7>you meet as many different people as you possibly can

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 7>get yourself into every room. And so when I think

0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 7>about Cole, one of the things that you know, I

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 7>remember Jermaine was just wrapping in the random open mic

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:39.840
<v Speaker 7>or wrapping in the residence hall in the dorms, and

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 7>then that flipped into him getting involved. He eventually became

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:46.480
<v Speaker 7>president of our Black student union. And then when that happened,

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 7>he always had a crowd. There was always five hundred

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 7>people that were guaranteed that we're going to buy the mixtape,

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 7>that we're going to come out to the show, that

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 7>we're going to support him at the open mic, that

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:57.600
<v Speaker 7>we're going to go out to this and me, I

0:35:57.640 --> 0:35:59.760
<v Speaker 7>see it all the time as we do speaking gigs,

0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.160
<v Speaker 7>still perform poetry. Half of my audience are people from

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 7>Saint John's for my undergraduate career. So I tell people

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 7>make sure that once you get in, get yourself involved,

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:13.120
<v Speaker 7>get yourself entrenched in the university, because that's how you

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 7>get them to start paying you back. And that's the thing.

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:17.920
<v Speaker 7>School's really expensive. But I'm going to find out how

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:20.920
<v Speaker 7>do I become a resident assistant. And a resident assistant

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:23.319
<v Speaker 7>is when you're in charge of a residence floor and

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 7>you're in charge of a dorm floor, they pay for

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:27.359
<v Speaker 7>your housing. I did not pay for housing for three

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:29.799
<v Speaker 7>years of my college career. And when you get into

0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:32.040
<v Speaker 7>those spaces, I was an orientation leader, which were the

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:34.920
<v Speaker 7>people who introduced the people when they came to college.

0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 7>I got paid for that. So that's where you find

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 7>the money. You leverage the money by the network, by

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 7>the capital of the individuals as well as the capital

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 7>that the school hasn't.

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:46.879
<v Speaker 4>And you said something interesting. You said that Jacole being

0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:48.759
<v Speaker 4>the president of the Black student union, he was in

0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:51.320
<v Speaker 4>a unique position because he booked concerts.

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 8>So then that opened up for them. Yeah, it was fascinating.

0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:56.880
<v Speaker 7>I mean I remember, you know, when I was wrapping

0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 7>back in the day, that was the same thing. I'm like,

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 7>I put on my little resume. Yeah, I opened up

0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:02.799
<v Speaker 7>for Kanye, I opened up for quality, I opened up

0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 7>for comment And he did the same thing every time

0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:08.160
<v Speaker 7>we had a major artist. He was one of the

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 7>performers that opened up for it. And then that just

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:14.560
<v Speaker 7>again creates more leverage, creates more opportunities. You get practice.

0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:17.080
<v Speaker 7>He didn't pay a dime, he didn't pay anything. You

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 7>use the studio that's on campus, use every possible resource

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.399
<v Speaker 7>that they have, because they're they're they're taking the money

0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:26.439
<v Speaker 7>from you. They're never gonna they're never gonna say, hey,

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:28.960
<v Speaker 7>you know what, it's okay, you don't have to pay today.

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:30.799
<v Speaker 8>So I'm gonna say, listen.

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 7>I want They're never gonna say that, right, So I

0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 7>want the studio, I want the gym, I want I'm

0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:37.399
<v Speaker 7>taking everything that.

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:38.719
<v Speaker 8>This school could possibly give me.

0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:40.320
<v Speaker 4>And he was like a straight student.

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean he was a good student from what

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:45.440
<v Speaker 7>I heard. I mean, I wasn't in the classes with him, right,

0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 7>but he was.

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:46.960
<v Speaker 8>I mean.

0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 7>And that's the thing is that I can't stress. And

0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:51.880
<v Speaker 7>I'll say this over and over again. You have to

0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 7>succeed in that space. So do everything you possibly can

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:58.440
<v Speaker 7>to leverage every opportunity that they have.

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<v Speaker 2>My graduates from my school being forced bad drop bag drop,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike drop bad, drop back.

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<v Speaker 10>Drop, Coach, The energy out there felt different.

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 11>What changed for the team today?

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:25.320
<v Speaker 5>It was the new game day scratches from the California

0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:26.360
<v Speaker 5>Lottery players.

0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:26.800
<v Speaker 8>Everything.

0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 6>Those games sent the team's energy through the roof.

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 10>Are you saying it was the off field play that

0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:32.800
<v Speaker 10>made the difference on the field, Hey.

0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 5>Little play makes your day, and today it made the

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 5>game that's off of now, Coach.

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<v Speaker 11>One more question played the new Los Angeles Chargers, San

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:43.080
<v Speaker 11>Francisco forty nine Ers and Los Angeles Ram Scratchers from

0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:45.919
<v Speaker 11>the California Lottery. A little play can make your day.

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:48.759
<v Speaker 11>Peacely responsibly. Must be eighteen years or older to purchase

0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:49.319
<v Speaker 11>plate or claim