Speaker 1: R and B money.
Speaker 2: We are.
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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. My name is Tank Valentine. This the
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Speaker 1: The authority told them the ship. Well all things R
Speaker 1: and B fighties and gentlemen. Today we have a guy
Speaker 1: my friends. Uh, it's in his blood, in his blood,
Speaker 1: that sen his blood. Every every birthday, every birthday.
Speaker 3: I fight time when you can we wind the time
Speaker 3: because hello, Sally's that's.
Speaker 1: Why fight the time when you you can readwind?
Speaker 3: Why look brand new?
Speaker 1: Bro? Let me say something every every time I've before, now,
Speaker 1: before we've gotten into business together, every time I've ever
Speaker 1: seen you and met you, it's always been about inclusion.
Speaker 1: It's always been about putting your arms around and making
Speaker 1: sure that everybody feels welcome, that you are giving the
Speaker 1: greetings and giving the love. And I've never seen anything different.
Speaker 3: That's just who I am, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm I like being happy and I want
Speaker 3: to make sure my people happy. Yeah, And so that's
Speaker 3: what it's all about. And so the days of you know,
Speaker 3: we can talk about a lot of shit. We going
Speaker 3: there now off rip. I never liked the major label
Speaker 3: record companies. I never liked how they did our artists
Speaker 3: from the past. I remember they used to they used
Speaker 3: to put Old School at Noon tours together and they
Speaker 3: have guys twenty two, twenty one, twenty three on tour
Speaker 3: calling them old School at Noon. So if you get
Speaker 3: dropped off a major label, they automatically call you old
Speaker 3: School at Noon. But you're only twenty three. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: you got these guys and I don't want to say
Speaker 3: their names because really they're really legendary to me, but
Speaker 3: they would have them on Old School at Noon tours
Speaker 3: and shit like that. So I made a note of it.
Speaker 3: I say, yo, listen, they gonna do me the same way.
Speaker 3: So I got to make sure to diversify and make
Speaker 3: sure I get to it. And I love seeing my
Speaker 3: fellow artists look good like you look good.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I was in Beverly Hill's and you know, I'm good
Speaker 3: friends with Johnny Gill and he pulled up in the
Speaker 3: boys boy yard back. I was like, you know, I
Speaker 3: want all my guys looking good, making money getting there.
Speaker 3: That's what it's all about for me. It's never been
Speaker 3: about just me. You know when the kid plays, he'd
Speaker 3: be like, my boy, my boy never been like that
Speaker 3: with me. Had been about everybody eating. Inclusion is all
Speaker 3: all I'm about.
Speaker 1: Bro, You've navigated thirty plus successful.
Speaker 3: Years in this shit pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: Really crazy. It doesn't happen right, and like it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not. You're at the thirtieth year and we're we're
Speaker 1: seeing some fall off. No, you know, you're you're you're
Speaker 1: in a thirtieth year looking like Lebron as I would
Speaker 1: like to say, yeah, Lebron and it's twenty first.
Speaker 3: You know that's Lebron amazes me. You know, to be
Speaker 3: in that shape, still be competitive, but you're in that shape. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't want a better shape. Well, you know, God
Speaker 3: is pushing me through it. And so what people got
Speaker 3: to know is that I put my hands in God.
Speaker 3: You know, when people try to, you know, say cancel
Speaker 3: me or or start some shit, I don't even worry.
Speaker 3: I just know God is going to push me through
Speaker 3: because you know where my heart is. Everything, everything's the journey.
Speaker 3: You know, it can't faster for certain people, came slower
Speaker 3: for certain people. But it really is, like Nipsey said,
Speaker 3: this this career thing is really a marathon. And so
Speaker 3: it just keep going and keep going, and who knows,
Speaker 3: something leads to something, something leads to something, you know,
Speaker 3: and then you know it used to be when we started,
Speaker 3: it was about, you know, I used to be with
Speaker 3: Biggie Smalls every day recipes b ig twenty seven years
Speaker 3: and we never took pictures because that was considered sucker
Speaker 3: shit at that time, right, And now I take pictures
Speaker 3: of anything, like I'll be sitting parking the car, like, yo,
Speaker 3: take a pic because we got to capture the moment.
Speaker 3: But when I came up, it was all about if
Speaker 3: you win the club. You would see Fat Joe. You
Speaker 3: would think, yo, I can't talk to this guy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I got the gangsters around me. I'm standing
Speaker 3: there like, don't look. Because that's what the wave was
Speaker 3: at the time. And so during COVID, everybody stuck home.
Speaker 3: They allowed me to turn on the IG Live and
Speaker 3: show people my real person nine because they knew lean back,
Speaker 3: they knew the songs, they didn't really know Fat Joe
Speaker 3: the personality. And even at that time when we would
Speaker 3: go do interviews, it was like we had to be
Speaker 3: real guarded. You know, you got the the Wendy Williams,
Speaker 3: the Miss Jones ebro at one time where they're all
Speaker 3: trying to jam you up. You know, no disrespect y'all,
Speaker 3: but you know that's where that's where our interviews was.
Speaker 3: So all of us had to put up those little
Speaker 3: invisible bars. So during the COVID it was like, all right,
Speaker 3: everybody the fuck out anyway, laugh Joe, Joe jokes, play
Speaker 3: the Jones girls, you know what I'm saying. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm starting to ship with the Jones girls every every
Speaker 3: day and to try to on to check it to
Speaker 3: everybody like oh shit, I ain't No. Fat Joe was
Speaker 3: like this. But and so you never know where this
Speaker 3: journey gonna take you because it just opened so many
Speaker 3: different doors, you know what I'm saying. Like I never
Speaker 3: thought when I was hustling on the block, I'd be
Speaker 3: selling men's hair grooming products all over the world. But
Speaker 3: we're doing it with trapping.
Speaker 1: Trapped.
Speaker 3: It's scary out here.
Speaker 1: Let's go back there, uh, Fat Joe to the to
Speaker 1: the Bronx sho did Little Joe desire to be a
Speaker 1: rapper a mobile in that sense and entertained?
Speaker 3: Let me tell you a story I told a million times,
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna tell you I remember being taught. First
Speaker 3: of all, it wasn't for young people. There was no Instagram,
Speaker 3: the biggest we could think of with Sanford and Son
Speaker 3: and George Jefferson. We ain't see nobody else that look
Speaker 3: like us. And I'm in the Bronx and I hate
Speaker 3: to tell y'all, but it was like a war zone.
Speaker 3: It was like Ukraine. Pronce was fucked up. It wasn't
Speaker 3: no real buildings or nothing, no playgrounds. And I remember
Speaker 3: sitting out there with my boy Louis one day, twelve
Speaker 3: years old, and I was like, Yo, this broke shit.
Speaker 3: This ain't for me. He was looking at me like
Speaker 3: what I was like, Yo, bro I'm not gonna be broke,
Speaker 3: you know. And so I always remember that moment where
Speaker 3: it was in my DNA that I knew there was
Speaker 3: more for me out there. I didn't know what it was.
Speaker 3: So I was out in the street getting a bunch
Speaker 3: of money, you know. He tried to kill me maybe
Speaker 3: thirty forty times, literally, like the bullet had my name
Speaker 3: on it, shooting at Fat Joey. And so my man
Speaker 3: Diamond D from d TC stepped to me and said yo, Joe, man,
Speaker 3: you gotta you gotta change your life and they're gonna
Speaker 3: kill you out.
Speaker 1: Are you rapping at this point? You're not right? But
Speaker 1: this is your guys.
Speaker 3: You really have to understand. Fat Joe was born. So
Speaker 3: you know the Muslims they go to Saudi Arabia to
Speaker 3: go to mech Yeah. I literally there's just just no
Speaker 3: way a line, there's no way to doing it. I
Speaker 3: literally was born in the birth place of hip hop. No,
Speaker 3: not on the West Side, not on the East Side,
Speaker 3: not on this Grandmaster Flash was out my window DJ
Speaker 3: and every day Melle Mail was playing pickup games of basketball.
Speaker 3: Ruby d the first Latino I MC, Shot Rock the
Speaker 3: first female MC. They af from a hood, my hood,
Speaker 3: like the inception of hip hop. You know, first time
Speaker 3: somebody probably broke dance or this. That's my hood, right,
Speaker 3: so I'm watching it. So I've been to hip hop
Speaker 3: since I was born. I did everything from MC to
Speaker 3: break dance to graffiti, right, I did the whole culture.
Speaker 3: Thing only thing I could never do good was DJ.
Speaker 3: It's the only thing I could never DJ. Wright and
Speaker 3: I used to try, but and so it was either
Speaker 3: hustle or hip hop. So my man Diamond d was
Speaker 3: on already Lort and That's was on and Diamond was like, Yo,
Speaker 3: let's go to the studio. I'll pay Joe.
Speaker 1: So we went in there.
Speaker 3: We made a demo that became my first single, flow Joe,
Speaker 3: that went number one in America, single song.
Speaker 1: Recorded first, So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it went out the park.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: It went out the park number one in America. Our cio.
Speaker 1: Out the project, not even first out in the project.
Speaker 3: I'm still in the project, you know. I moved out
Speaker 3: the projects because I was getting money before I rapped.
Speaker 3: But I was in the project to about my second album,
Speaker 3: and when it's when I realized, all righty, you you're
Speaker 3: rap star now and they starting to view you a
Speaker 3: little different. So for me, I would have still been
Speaker 3: in the projects right now, you know. But it got
Speaker 3: to where it was a lot of jealousy. It was,
Speaker 3: you know, I got up in the project showing them
Speaker 3: I ain't changed. I'm still fat Joe. And then it
Speaker 3: just got to the point where I realized, I was like, damn,
Speaker 3: you know, we one day we had a riot in
Speaker 3: the project because of me, right, So I basically I
Speaker 3: used to run the projects like you know, King of Zamonga,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And then I became a rapper,
Speaker 3: so now they're seeing me on TV and all that,
Speaker 3: so they started to looking at me like I changed.
Speaker 3: I went soft. I'm a rapper. I can't punch you
Speaker 3: in your face. I can't.
Speaker 1: You know, you know I'm aper.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm a rapper. Of course I can't
Speaker 3: punch you in like you know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So it's like it got to that point. And then
Speaker 3: one day we had like half the projects fight half
Speaker 3: the projects because some dude told me, like, Yo, the
Speaker 3: fuck you think you're doing that? I smacked his cheek
Speaker 3: off real quick.
Speaker 1: Bomb.
Speaker 3: I didn't even think about it. I left, you know it.
Speaker 3: It was just a normal currence to me. I left,
Speaker 3: I came back. Then there was a dude there that
Speaker 3: I grew up with his kindergarten and he was angry
Speaker 3: and I don't even say his name. I said, Yo, Pito,
Speaker 3: what's up? PTOs that he was the name fat Pito,
Speaker 3: Fat Joe, Fatito. We grew up since kindergarten. What you mean,
Speaker 3: what's up, nigga?
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 3: You snapped? That was my brother in law. You slap,
Speaker 3: and he swung on me and that's not suggested right,
Speaker 3: and so swung on me. Miss I almost let him
Speaker 3: get away with it. I almost let him get away
Speaker 3: with it. I backed up. I went in the car.
Speaker 3: I never forget I tell you this story, Rich, I
Speaker 3: never forget. My brother full Flex stopped me and said, Yo, Joe,
Speaker 3: I know it's speed though, but you know if you
Speaker 3: walk away right now, they ain't gonna respect you like
Speaker 3: that in the hood no more. I said, damn, but
Speaker 3: it's Peto. He said, Yo, bro, it's up to you.
Speaker 3: I know it's feet though. He was telling me, like,
Speaker 3: I know you don't want to do nothing to Beto.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Someone in the trunk. I
Speaker 3: pulled out the shots. You remember they used to add
Speaker 3: the yellow shots, the big Michellan shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, exact household it.
Speaker 3: I started beating beat though up with the Michelan shit,
Speaker 3: and then the whole whoever was jealous of Fat Joe
Speaker 3: Fort Fat Joe that day, whoever was my real brothers
Speaker 3: in the projects Fort dumb So it was half of
Speaker 3: the projects again, I mean, fifty guys a getting like
Speaker 3: everybody going up. Brothers was fighting brothers and my brother
Speaker 3: Hard Power. Oh he was fighting my brother Gizmo, who
Speaker 3: started TS. TS went with Gizmo went with the other side.
Speaker 3: So it was like all our life we knew each other.
Speaker 3: We all had like a big riot because they was
Speaker 3: defending me. They was like, fuck that, Joey, Joey'll brother,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Then the other half it
Speaker 3: was a little bit jealous.
Speaker 1: We had to we did.
Speaker 3: We won for sure, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 3: then and then you know, but that taught me like, man,
Speaker 3: you can't really get out of here like that. On Man,
Speaker 3: these guys are seeing you on TV, and so it's
Speaker 3: not your perception of dumb changes a lot of times,
Speaker 3: you know, as an artist, people's perception if you change,
Speaker 3: and so you can still be the same person. You
Speaker 3: the same you know, we all kids at heart, but
Speaker 3: they start looking at you different, and so you know,
Speaker 3: you know, that's that's what happens.
Speaker 1: Wow, is I'm sure there's a moment. I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: that moment in other moments where it's like you are
Speaker 1: graduating to a place of success on a different side,
Speaker 1: but there's this urge to maintain the street credibility, the
Speaker 1: street credibility.
Speaker 3: Did that we put it down in this game, like
Speaker 3: in this in this rap game without saying no names,
Speaker 3: because I'm cool with a lot of people, not even
Speaker 3: cool brothers, but we we smashed anybody who tried to
Speaker 3: fuck with us, like literally everybody who try to fuck
Speaker 3: with us.
Speaker 1: And this is all yeah, yeah, none of this can
Speaker 1: be used none of all what I'm saying, none of
Speaker 1: this can use against.
Speaker 3: It's been so it was like, you gotta understand hip hop.
Speaker 3: They ain't no PhD, they ain't no bachelorists degree. It's
Speaker 3: like you got a bunch of guys that could rap.
Speaker 3: They probably normally wouldn't even have a career on a
Speaker 3: job if they didn't know how to rap. They aunt
Speaker 3: to Rogers, everybody who just came home from jail. Everybody
Speaker 3: think they tough. Everybody did so every now and then
Speaker 3: you gotta like reassure them that this is what happens.
Speaker 2: It's interesting for me because me growing up in the
Speaker 2: Bay Area, I always I watched I watched you as
Speaker 2: a kid, and I watched your career and it was
Speaker 2: very parallel to e forties for me. I think on
Speaker 2: the East Coast forty because I know him so well,
Speaker 2: that's my guy, and I'm watching you on the whole
Speaker 2: other side of the country.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is very familiar to me. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is very familiar to me.
Speaker 2: Like and it was funny because and even and even
Speaker 2: how it's how it's uh come to life now later
Speaker 2: in your career, businessman, business life. But you guys were
Speaker 2: always independent. You guys always had your wife with you.
Speaker 2: It was also it was it was watching a man
Speaker 2: do business right, because we have a lot of little
Speaker 2: boys in this industry. It's very few men who are
Speaker 2: handling their business and who are approaching everything as a man.
Speaker 1: First, all we asked is men is respect. We're not
Speaker 1: trying to say nobody, We're not trying to disrespect nobody.
Speaker 3: This is what this is about. Yeah, So the only
Speaker 3: reason I come to do a podcast, so I do
Speaker 3: my own talk show or whatever the case may be,
Speaker 3: is transparency. Yes, you know, we got people who look
Speaker 3: up to us, whether they're R and B, whether they're rappers,
Speaker 3: and they got to hear these type of stories. They
Speaker 3: gotta hear these business moves, they gotta hear how fat
Speaker 3: you'oin fifty are friends now brothers when they was trying
Speaker 3: to kill each other.
Speaker 1: They got here.
Speaker 3: I was there, I was going, but not they even
Speaker 3: dwell on that. But I'm just saying they got to
Speaker 3: see the growth so they can know, you know, like
Speaker 3: even Fat Joe, I'm a dreamer, I'm a believer. But
Speaker 3: if somebody does it. You know, I used to go
Speaker 3: to puff Daddy's house and just stare at the walls,
Speaker 3: to the ceilings and the marble and be like, yo,
Speaker 3: we could get ship like this, you know, or someone
Speaker 3: I hear a deal. You know, fifty cent just closed
Speaker 3: this TV show man. We could do that. And so
Speaker 3: I've always looked at everything like I got to see
Speaker 3: it to believe it, and from a lens of not jealousy,
Speaker 3: but inspiration. And so that's what's so important about outlets
Speaker 3: like this. It's like we got to share that information
Speaker 3: with the youth. Has somebody broke down to me when
Speaker 3: I was a young kid wilding in the industry and
Speaker 3: all like, yo, bro, this ain't good for business. Somebody,
Speaker 3: I really rest of the known out of switch right there.
Speaker 3: I would it would have saved me a bunch of
Speaker 3: paying bells, paying rents, you know, you know, I was
Speaker 3: going MTV Awards that that year, not even that all
Speaker 3: them year awards. I had bet for fifty, so I
Speaker 3: have to fly in with fifty guys. I had to
Speaker 3: put fifty guys in fifty old towels. You know, we
Speaker 3: popped in fifty bottles, hundred bottles. You know that's that's
Speaker 3: a big purse. You the boss, sit down there. The
Speaker 3: wars real because the last thing you want is to
Speaker 3: get caught off point. So you got to be right
Speaker 3: so that all that ship costs. So it's for the
Speaker 3: the youth to understand. Don't get involved in that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: We get we we we pray to God right. First
Speaker 3: of all, God is everything to meet. God is everything right,
Speaker 3: and so we pray to God to get us out
Speaker 3: of these terrible situations. And then once you're there, everybody
Speaker 3: race to see how they how they asshole? You ever
Speaker 3: watched them? How many you want a ward? Shows? You watch?
Speaker 3: And whoever's hot at the time, it's their chance to
Speaker 3: act like an asshole while they getting their ward. It's
Speaker 3: like yeah, yah, yeah, I'm like, yo, bro, just be humble,
Speaker 3: be happy, you know. And with R and B, you
Speaker 3: got a lot of complicated, Like you met a lot
Speaker 3: of R and B singers that're like mentally complicated, right, Like.
Speaker 1: Well, it's just that like with R and B. You know,
Speaker 1: for the most part, R and B is a very
Speaker 1: much solo venture, right, and so it's not like it's
Speaker 1: not like cruise or where you like, where there's an
Speaker 1: accountability system in a sense, right, you always have your
Speaker 1: one guy that's like, hey man, we shouldn't like I
Speaker 1: have my guy right here. It's like that, ain't it.
Speaker 1: We need to be on that or we shouldn't do this.
Speaker 1: There's a crew, there's a sense of brotherhood, sense of family,
Speaker 1: camaraderie as R and B artists is just.
Speaker 3: Used like everybody for themselves.
Speaker 2: It is is I equate it to it being we're
Speaker 2: all in high school. It's the one girl that everybody
Speaker 2: likes and everybody's their friend. As soon as one guy
Speaker 2: gets her, he tucks her and says, you better not
Speaker 2: talk to none of these motherfuckers again.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. That's what R and B music
Speaker 1: is exactly. I got the girl. So whoever is whoever
Speaker 1: is the top R and B guy? I got the girl?
Speaker 3: Well you talk to you talking in the sense of executives.
Speaker 1: No, I'm talking in the.
Speaker 2: Sense of artists. I'm talking about the artists. You gotta
Speaker 2: think about it like this. We can go back to
Speaker 2: the history of R and B music and point out
Speaker 2: that probably and you know a lot of niggas gonna
Speaker 2: get mad at me about this. Keith Sweat is one
Speaker 2: of the last artists to actually put other R and
Speaker 2: B artists on silk and too many raptors that do
Speaker 2: that too, Keith Sweat, But it's more, it's more round.
Speaker 3: You're not selfish like baby Face wrote all of Bobby
Speaker 3: Brown's all that ship. You wrote a bunch of shit, yo, Bro.
Speaker 3: That's very giving, absolutely, because everybody's like, you know, like,
Speaker 3: oh I got to hit. I'm not giving this to nobody.
Speaker 3: Give somebody a hit. It's crazy. But so in a sense,
Speaker 3: Keith Sweat definitely put a bunch of them on.
Speaker 1: A bunch of people on You want talk.
Speaker 3: About Keith Sweat, you know what I'm saying. Keith Sweat.
Speaker 3: All right, Let's go back to fat yo, when all
Speaker 3: the gangsters was getting money. And it's weird because they
Speaker 3: put them all in jail. They all died. But I
Speaker 3: grew up at a time where you turn the corner,
Speaker 3: it looked like it was bombed up, and then you
Speaker 3: bump into ten benzes and beamers and little kids are
Speaker 3: playing basketball with big rope chains with plates like you know,
Speaker 3: the dudes is sitting in the corner dapping dan doubt
Speaker 3: like I grew up in a fly time where guys
Speaker 3: was out there stunting crazy like that. That's that's the
Speaker 3: time I come from, right and so. But even though
Speaker 3: these guys were selling massive drugs, shooting people every day,
Speaker 3: every time you went into the most notorious guy's car,
Speaker 3: when he pressed plate, it was Keith Sweat. It's just
Speaker 3: nowhere around. There was nowhere around playing laying drives in
Speaker 3: the ship. No, it's a fat ye. That's why you say.
Speaker 3: You say, Yo, Joe man, you always get Keith Sweat
Speaker 3: at your birthday, fucking right, because my guys somemi ever,
Speaker 3: they know what the is. When he did singing, they're like, yo,
Speaker 3: he got Keith Sweat up in this motherfucker. Like you know,
Speaker 3: Keith Sweat man, I don't. I try to tell him
Speaker 3: all the time. I don't think he knows what he
Speaker 3: meant to the gangsters in the hallm in the Bronx
Speaker 3: and around America. You know Keith Sweat, I don't know
Speaker 3: he was singing love ballance, but that was some they
Speaker 3: had that.
Speaker 2: Base under the ship. It was just it was a
Speaker 2: different it was a different vibe to his music. It
Speaker 2: was a different vibe to his music, like he sang. Really,
Speaker 2: Keith Sweat might have been the first trap so, I
Speaker 2: mean he might have hit so hard like the music
Speaker 2: hits so hard, like it was low rider music on
Speaker 2: the West Coast.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying today, Man, I ain't want
Speaker 1: to no soft ship. Man, wan't sing on top of those.
Speaker 1: You got to give me some hot ship that she
Speaker 1: gotta be jumping pumping to speaker his baby and and
Speaker 1: to to parallel that. That's really what Keith Sweat is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really being played by the cases key Sweat. This
Speaker 1: is a game.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely Keth Sweat man, he's something else.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: One year I did my birthday party. I had to
Speaker 3: move the whole party around for his day. So we
Speaker 3: did it on Sunday because he was booked Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Speaker 3: Thursday for he was love playboy. I see you on
Speaker 3: my birthday to night he said, Yo, Man, the twenty
Speaker 3: six is open. I said the parties on Keith Sweat.
Speaker 3: We don't hem about last year he was gonna I
Speaker 3: don't know if people know, but you know it's house
Speaker 3: caught a fire.
Speaker 1: Do you know that?
Speaker 3: Yes, that was the day of my birthday. He was
Speaker 3: supposed to fly in last year and last year. We
Speaker 3: try to get you like two years tank we got
Speaker 3: last last year, Babyface came, Stephanie Mills came. You know,
Speaker 3: Mary Jay come all the time.
Speaker 1: She early.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you early because I tried.
Speaker 1: To No, no, no, we're gonna stop this trying to
Speaker 1: get call.
Speaker 3: You have to tell me okay, okay earlier Joe when
Speaker 3: we're doing that that Joe party. I got a new thing.
Speaker 3: You know they say, don't talk to dudes wives. I
Speaker 3: think that's the only way to get it done now
Speaker 3: was talking to dudes wives.
Speaker 1: I swear to.
Speaker 3: No, No, that's how I get shit done.
Speaker 1: To come, no, I need it.
Speaker 3: I needed baby Face to pet me something. I have
Speaker 3: to hit this girl up, like yo, yay, Joe, we love.
Speaker 1: It y.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. That's what's doing this ship lately,
Speaker 3: pushing the shutout. That's who I gotta find your wife
Speaker 3: would be like, Yo, check this out. I need him there.
Speaker 1: She messed up when she's gonna calls at you right
Speaker 1: now so I can talk to him.
Speaker 3: People know, you know, I'm more of an R and
Speaker 3: B guy, absolutely hip hop Richie, Like, Yo, why you
Speaker 3: wan't to always want to play that on b ship
Speaker 3: man all that.
Speaker 1: It's a little too intimate for you.
Speaker 2: You're playing blue Magic and deal Phonics.
Speaker 3: I play that, Yeah, that's I play. I got the
Speaker 3: super old school mix for on the plane. I'm scared
Speaker 3: to fly, so I listen to all that delphonic stylistics,
Speaker 3: the blue notes, everything, Man, I listen to all that
Speaker 3: calms me down.
Speaker 1: I gotta ask a question, yes, Switch or the barge?
Speaker 3: The Barge's incredible? Yeah, oh Bobby, Yeah, because they're big man.
Speaker 3: You know Bobby's Bobby. But you know Switch. Most people
Speaker 3: you could have tried to jam me up right now
Speaker 3: because most people don't even know Switch unless you really
Speaker 3: know arm that barge is.
Speaker 1: That's like saying that's the Little Brother and Little Sisters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like saying, you know Michael Jackson, LaToya or
Speaker 3: some ship like that, even though don't get it fucked up.
Speaker 3: Switch was the ship. Switch is the ship but the
Speaker 3: barge that's superstardom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. That's it. Let's let's talk music. What
Speaker 1: do you think if if we're giving a secret, if
Speaker 1: we're giving a blueprint in terms of sting, relevant sting,
Speaker 1: active sting on the charts, being able to do high
Speaker 1: level collaborate rations. You started that a long time ago.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what happened to me was after Pun
Speaker 3: died Rest in peace, Big Pun. I went to All
Speaker 3: Star Weekend in d C. And it was even Philly
Speaker 3: of DC. I want to say DC. That's crazy because
Speaker 3: I remember so I think it was DC, and I
Speaker 3: was walking into the game and R Kelly was standing
Speaker 3: up on the wall and I've seen him, and so
Speaker 3: at this time R Kelly had only collaborated with like
Speaker 3: Biggie or not even jay Z. Yet it was Biggie
Speaker 3: and nas right, and so he was number one in
Speaker 3: the universe. And so when he sees me, say, your
Speaker 3: fat Joe was up and like you said, every man
Speaker 3: for himself, Like that's the only reason why Ward chosen
Speaker 3: All that is dope because you go to parties and
Speaker 3: you get to see people in this love. But we
Speaker 3: never see these people unless we see him at a
Speaker 3: concert or something. She was like, Yo, man, I'm a
Speaker 3: fat yo fan bro. I'm like Kelly, like serious, this
Speaker 3: guy was God at the top and he was like, Yo, man, yo,
Speaker 3: rest in peace. Big pun I grew up with the
Speaker 3: Puerto Ricans, which shoe in Chicago. He was like, Yo, man,
Speaker 3: I want to do a song with you. Now at
Speaker 3: this point, I'm still really street like, really really street like,
Speaker 3: like I didn't know no better, right, so I to
Speaker 3: grab all Kelly by the chart said Yo, I'm not
Speaker 3: the guy you say you want to do it somewhere
Speaker 3: and then you can just zero nah for.
Speaker 4: Yo yo no, no, Thank god, I said it myself
Speaker 4: because I said, Yo, listen, yo, take I'm that ghetto
Speaker 4: that's still street now that Joe be like, oh wow,
Speaker 4: that'd be a you know, an honor what you know.
Speaker 3: Then I was like, yo, my man, no, be like,
Speaker 3: I ain't the one. I ain't the guy you want
Speaker 3: to talk to like that. She's like, nah, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be in Orlando, come down there. We do a song
Speaker 3: this this that Magically DJ bron G hits me up.
Speaker 3: I never even knew he made beats he was like, yo, Joe, man,
Speaker 3: I want I made a beat for you. So I
Speaker 3: knew all these producers that made hits, but every time
Speaker 3: I asked him for beats, say track Masters or whatever,
Speaker 3: they had all the hits, but they would send me
Speaker 3: they hard ship. So like, if I would go to Tank,
Speaker 3: it writs hits, and I'd be like, yo, Tank, I
Speaker 3: want to joint. I was so street. Tank would think
Speaker 3: of his one hardcourt joined be like, yo Joe, I
Speaker 3: got one for you. No, I want to fucking hit.
Speaker 3: I want the barge, not Switch. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So I'm just saying I'm trying to tell you I
Speaker 3: want no yo switch. I love you. You know I
Speaker 3: held the barge, one of my favorite ever. But you
Speaker 3: know I held the barges. That's my guy. But listen,
Speaker 3: so he go like this, So Bron, we go by him.
Speaker 3: It gives us the beat. We play the ship. We
Speaker 3: start running around the fucking truck because it's the beat.
Speaker 3: Till we dug it, We're like, oh, somebody gave us
Speaker 3: a hit something at least it sounded like a hit,
Speaker 3: like because everybody else was just giving us shoot him up.
Speaker 3: They ain't that shit to marb deeper rap to or
Speaker 3: mop or you know. So I'm like, because that's what
Speaker 3: I was coming out the gate. So we dancing. So
Speaker 3: I do my verses. We drive down to Orlando. Right
Speaker 3: ll Kelly's laying on the couch. I walk up in there.
Speaker 3: Funny shit is the track masters was there too. They
Speaker 3: was doing his music and so when I walked in,
Speaker 3: I'm like, Yo, what's up, cows? Yo's up?
Speaker 1: Yo this.
Speaker 3: He was just sitting on the couch and he said,
Speaker 3: he said, Yo, you got the song. I said, yeah,
Speaker 3: I got the song. And it's funny because he tried
Speaker 3: to talk. He talked to you like real light and
Speaker 3: shit like yo's cows. You know what I'm saying that,
Speaker 3: you know, I actually I never heard him talk with bass.
Speaker 3: He always talked like smooth and shit. Right. So I'll
Speaker 3: give him the CD and he plays it and immediately
Speaker 3: he rolls off the couch and he grabs this recorder
Speaker 3: like a like a caller and goes, ooh he does
Speaker 3: like the inch. I don't know what he doing, but
Speaker 3: he thinking of the hook. But he's singing the ship right.
Speaker 3: He was like, Yo, this ship is ha Yo, you
Speaker 3: the fire whatever it was then he started mumbling some
Speaker 3: shit in the hook. Then he turned the ship off
Speaker 3: and he was like, and the track masters looking at
Speaker 3: me like, yo, Joe, I ain't know you can rhyme
Speaker 3: like that. I ain't know you can make hits like that.
Speaker 3: I was like, y'all, I've been telling you to give
Speaker 3: me the ship. Ba y'all, y'all keep thinking I'm fat
Speaker 3: Joe against it, right, So funny shit is he does that.
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking, you know, all, Kelly's gonna sing the hook,
Speaker 3: We're gonna do it. And he goes, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 3: know him, I got a two fake. I'm like, huh.
Speaker 3: He's like it was like two in the morning. He
Speaker 3: was like, y'all, I got a two fake. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So you gotta, you know, go chill,
Speaker 3: We'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: This this that.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I drove twenty hours at the time.
Speaker 1: I was kidding you.
Speaker 3: I drove down there too, So I'm like, yo, caws.
Speaker 3: He was like a two fake, this this that, so
Speaker 3: out of nowhere, he disappears and walks out the room
Speaker 3: to a door through a door. So it's like ten
Speaker 3: minutes twenty thirty forty minutes. Like, I'm telling you I'm
Speaker 3: really impulsive. I'm like, really really street. At this point,
Speaker 3: I don't know how to explained, so I said, man,
Speaker 3: fuck that, man, I go to the door. I opened
Speaker 3: the door. I opened the door. He dad ass got
Speaker 3: a dentist giving him novercan on a chair in real life,
Speaker 3: in the fucking studio, like two in the morning. I
Speaker 3: felt so yo. Yeah yeah, heck yo, tex. I felt
Speaker 3: so bad. I'm sitting there like this. I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: he really got a tooth. Fake. I go because I
Speaker 3: noticed one record gonna change my life. Yeah, this is
Speaker 3: a hit. Hit you know you got to hit with
Speaker 3: al Kelly at that time. It's just.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So long story short, the man don't call me for
Speaker 3: like two days, and I'm staying in like a motel
Speaker 3: and you know, Orlando, I'm writing, I'm working on my album,
Speaker 3: and then we're about to be I'm like, man, fuck him, man,
Speaker 3: we're going back up to the boss man. So we
Speaker 3: in the truck ready and out of no way. The
Speaker 3: phone ring. He's like, yo, what's Upclscals said, what's up? Kels,
Speaker 3: You're too good? Everything good. He's liked, hold up and
Speaker 3: he pressed playing you here, we eat Doug and roll
Speaker 3: and yeah and so off and then and that's what happened, man,
Speaker 3: and uh and so that ship.
Speaker 1: And that's your first R and B collaboration, my first hit,
Speaker 1: like my first R and B hit, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I never forget. We used to throw parties out here
Speaker 3: in Miami. We used to every Memorial Weekend. I used
Speaker 3: to throw all the parties in all the clubs. And
Speaker 3: we had a Terror squad Pool party. I never forget.
Speaker 3: That was the biggest shit out here. So you had
Speaker 3: cam on every fab, every you know, all the usual suspects,
Speaker 3: everybody in the building. AI's in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I go to DJ and I say, yo, press player,
Speaker 3: niggas like yo, brand new Fat Joe Nigga play that ship.
Speaker 3: When they heard that, all Kelly go we Doug and y'o.
Speaker 3: I seen. I actually got to see every rapper's face.
Speaker 3: They all was like.
Speaker 1: Because they had never heard a record like that from
Speaker 1: you either.
Speaker 3: Who gives a fuck? He got a smash with all
Speaker 3: Kelly at that time, they looking around like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: this motherfucker lit like this was like the ultimate collaboration
Speaker 3: at the time. You know what I'm saying, and the
Speaker 3: ship was a hit, and so we followed that up
Speaker 3: with Wes Love with a shan Tee Earth gott He
Speaker 3: that was another ill story too. You know, I didn't
Speaker 3: really know IRV Gotti. I met him like two three
Speaker 3: days before Pun died and we talked for like hours,
Speaker 3: and then Pun died and and then you know, that's
Speaker 3: where I met a Jarul. I was sitting in the
Speaker 3: funeral crying and then I look up and it was
Speaker 3: Ja Ru. He was like, Yo, sorry about your brother,
Speaker 3: and like I said, I let God push me through.
Speaker 3: At that moment, I said to myself, oh, this is
Speaker 3: my God, you know, because I don't cry. So when
Speaker 3: I finally broke down and cried out of nowhere, it
Speaker 3: was Ja Ru standing over me. I said, oh, God,
Speaker 3: let me know. This is my God. So I told
Speaker 3: him thank you, and then out of no way. I
Speaker 3: was sleeping in the crib with my wife and phone
Speaker 3: ring when you still had the house phone. Shit, like
Speaker 3: three in the morning, is Irve Gody, Yojoe, we made
Speaker 3: a joint for you. Come down. I'm like, who's this?
Speaker 3: Deserve Gotti? So I go down there, they press plays
Speaker 3: What's Love what's not.
Speaker 1: God to do?
Speaker 3: They gave me a smash when the niggas was rocket.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, that's why I always stayed loyal to them.
Speaker 1: You ask a question about that, the aggression that you
Speaker 1: start the record with.
Speaker 3: Put that fucking I was still in this. Please.
Speaker 1: The song is called What's Love.
Speaker 3: Put the fucking beat on, put the fucking mic on.
Speaker 1: It was like.
Speaker 3: I was supreme, beaan ghetto.
Speaker 1: Still.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to explain this shit to you.
Speaker 3: Fu you. Nobody told me it was gonna be like
Speaker 3: you know, yo, you You're gonna be doing stadiums after that.
Speaker 3: It was like white people discover Fat Joe. After What's Love,
Speaker 3: I couldn't perform for black people or Spanish people for
Speaker 3: like two years straight. I was doing all them jingle balls,
Speaker 3: every white Katie Perry, whoever, the white guys. Vegas at
Speaker 3: that point, fuck Vegas, like it was the whole place
Speaker 3: was white. It was it was like, who's the white
Speaker 3: Like if so say it was right now? What's Love
Speaker 3: was right now. I'd be on tour with Billie Eilish
Speaker 3: ship like yes, it's just nowhere around so they hear.
Speaker 3: Because you know, you can't do one song. So when
Speaker 3: they hit the other five songs, him and fuck you
Speaker 3: suck my big Bitch, this, that, that, that and then
Speaker 3: one stuff, they like confused, like, yo, I thought, he's
Speaker 3: like a fucking commercial god right, So I was doing
Speaker 3: the hardcore ship theyn't doing it now.
Speaker 1: It was crazy, man, now that I know what I know,
Speaker 1: you know for being this a little different way different,
Speaker 1: So you hadn't settled into that being a formula. You
Speaker 1: were just like he had two of them great records
Speaker 1: that are what they are.
Speaker 3: Fun started with the he's still not a player, still
Speaker 3: not a player. So when I met when I met Pun,
Speaker 3: I told him I wanted him to be the Spanish Biggie.
Speaker 3: And you know he's into lyrics, hardcore beats this that
Speaker 3: he love.
Speaker 1: R and B.
Speaker 3: Janet Jackson was his favorite. But his favorite record of
Speaker 3: all time was Fire and Desire. So he be driving
Speaker 3: through the Bronx Fire and Esi like he was a
Speaker 3: big R and B had two but he preferred to
Speaker 3: rap hardcore and so I was like, yo, we gotta
Speaker 3: do something for the girls. We got it, did and
Speaker 3: that he did the joint with Joe the singer. You know,
Speaker 3: thank God for Joe and key Dark Massenberg because you know,
Speaker 3: Joe had just sold five hundred thousand records his first week.
Speaker 3: Joe was the biggest he's he was doing trake numbers. Yeah,
Speaker 3: literally half a million first week Trake ship. And we
Speaker 3: stepped to him and Keydall was like, you know, yo, Joe,
Speaker 3: I sent him to the studio. He shows up, he
Speaker 3: does the song with us. Like, think about the artist
Speaker 3: you never met before, you never heard of? You just
Speaker 3: so FI hundred thousand and you to get on it. Yeah, Joe,
Speaker 3: that ship took off. So shout out to Joe for
Speaker 3: being the real one.
Speaker 1: For Evan Keid, do you also feel like that the
Speaker 1: legend of fat Joe also played a part in people
Speaker 1: understanding how serious you were as a person. Yes, and
Speaker 1: you make a request, It's like, oh, fat Joe.
Speaker 3: You want to know what's crazy is the first time
Speaker 3: I worked with Kanye. Right, we throw the beat up
Speaker 3: and I pulled out the pending in the pad and
Speaker 3: he said, he said, what's that. I was like, no,
Speaker 3: I'm about to write. He was like, you're right. I
Speaker 3: thought you was the Don Colion. They just come bring
Speaker 3: the ship to you. I said, no, motherfuck, I'm a
Speaker 3: rapper MC swear to God. Kanye said he thought I
Speaker 3: was the John. They just bring the ship to me.
Speaker 3: I was like, are you fucking crazy? I write my ship.
Speaker 3: That was the craziest ship. He really dead ass thought
Speaker 3: it was like.
Speaker 1: Somebody right done?
Speaker 3: It wraps up here. I was like, na, man, I write.
Speaker 3: And then we did the joint on Pride and Joy,
Speaker 3: which very underrated song I did with Kanye. We had that.
Speaker 3: Everybody on there who was on that jade the bus
Speaker 3: the most depth this everybody. Even if you all about
Speaker 3: the money, I don't really care. O Cay. That shit
Speaker 3: cost me a lot of money. That was about to
Speaker 3: be my next question.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a very He charged me nothing.
Speaker 3: He charged me. Nobody charged me. He charged me nothing.
Speaker 3: Shout out the bank. He charged me nothing. But he said,
Speaker 3: when we shoot the video, I gotta hire Hype Williams.
Speaker 3: Oh you know what that is? Then I gotta pay
Speaker 3: for the wardrobe. He literally had seven what was it,
Speaker 3: seven eight thousand dollars tank tops from France, tang tops.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at this sit like a hole in my head.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I'm like, when I went through the show, say yo,
Speaker 3: what we spent eighty thousand on clothes and when I
Speaker 3: was looking at shit was tang tops sweatpants for fifteen thousand.
Speaker 3: I mean, we understand that shit now, but at the time,
Speaker 3: I guess I ain't have it like that. That was
Speaker 3: coming right.
Speaker 1: I don't think we were in tune with.
Speaker 3: Shi it cost that much, no way, But that was
Speaker 3: right after another round. Had just had another round with
Speaker 3: Chris Brown, and that was the gift that kept giving.
Speaker 1: And so you got a very aggressive line in that
Speaker 1: record too, which.
Speaker 3: You want to fuck you with the mask on Halloween, pussy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was a matter of bed. He tells me all
Speaker 3: the time and in the day that don't go. You
Speaker 3: know how I do that that that line, it was
Speaker 3: coming at the single day I go on Twitter, somebody
Speaker 3: like this nigga said fuck you with your mask on
Speaker 3: holiday Halloween, pussy. But let me tell you that story.
Speaker 3: I'm in, I'm in I'm in Africa. So for a
Speaker 3: long time I've been to more places in Africa than
Speaker 3: most artists have been everywhere Africa. And so it was
Speaker 3: a time where American artists were either scared to go
Speaker 3: to Africa or didn't want to go to Africa. So
Speaker 3: I was doing I've been to Kenya. I've been to Somali.
Speaker 3: I've been to Zimbabwe. I've been to South Africa. I've
Speaker 3: been to Luanda. I've been to Rwanda. I've been to Angola.
Speaker 3: I damn there, lived in ain't Goola, Equatorial Guinea. I've
Speaker 3: been to Morocco. I've been Yo Bro. I went to
Speaker 3: Nigeria a million times. I went to a place called Jabooty.
Speaker 3: I'm doing all of Africa right, So I did everything
Speaker 3: in Africa. And then one show I had had Timberland
Speaker 3: Chris Brown seattra. It was finally I seen some Americans.
Speaker 3: I'm in Africa and Chris Brown sitting there and he
Speaker 3: talking with me, said, Yo, crack man, let's do a song.
Speaker 3: It's time. How look at Chris Brown said like that, Chris,
Speaker 3: I'm kind of kind of fucked up right now too.
Speaker 3: I needed to hit hit. You know, when you go
Speaker 3: through one of them sluts where you got a little
Speaker 3: three four years where you ain't putt one out the park,
Speaker 3: that's that's. Look when you're used to putting out number
Speaker 3: ones and you get a slump where you almost can't
Speaker 3: see the number. I was putting out so many number ones.
Speaker 3: They was like a joke to me. I was giving
Speaker 3: away number ones like to other artists. My friends, Yo,
Speaker 3: take that, it's the number one, yo. Don't worry about this.
Speaker 3: I thought they just come to everybody like that. When
Speaker 3: I went in that drout and your ma and Chris
Speaker 3: Brown said he gonna give me a life preserver, I said, now, Chris, now, Chris, please,
Speaker 3: I'm an Africa with you. You probably He's like, nah, nah,
Speaker 3: send the song. I do it. So I went right
Speaker 3: back to the studio with Cooling Dre shout out Cooling Dre,
Speaker 3: and they monsters in the game. And and so I
Speaker 3: said with Dre and that that actually was like three
Speaker 3: different hooks that we did in another round. So I
Speaker 3: had one song where they had when on You, and
Speaker 3: that was on one song. Then we had to we
Speaker 3: broke that whole hook down three. It was actually three
Speaker 3: hooks like on records I had. And then we just
Speaker 3: made it one hook and send the best part to
Speaker 3: send it to Chris, and he sent the back he
Speaker 3: shat and so and so when we wrote I want
Speaker 3: it on you, I want to fuck you, and you
Speaker 3: know what inspired that little part right there? And I
Speaker 3: hope I don't get sued was when when Lil Wayne
Speaker 3: had that record. I used to go to live and
Speaker 3: he'd be sitting on the couch and saying, I just
Speaker 3: want to fuck every girl in the world. I just
Speaker 3: want to fuck every girl in the world. And I'll
Speaker 3: be looking at him and he'd be like, I just
Speaker 3: want to and he pointing a round. And so that's
Speaker 3: how I came up with that part of the hook
Speaker 3: that won you. And you never know what inspires. So
Speaker 3: he did it, and that ship just rangle off crazy.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: The only problem with that song, I would say, was
Speaker 3: that I wasn't on fire like so if I was
Speaker 3: on fire, so that ship would have been the biggest
Speaker 3: ship in the universe. But the fact that I had
Speaker 3: to dig myself out of hole, you know, all the
Speaker 3: way up was similar to you know all the way up.
Speaker 3: It was a couple of years before I dropped the
Speaker 3: Big Boy, so it stalled. You know, people were asking,
Speaker 3: you think, you know these guys, you know, there's a
Speaker 3: real bandwagon ship. Anybody got to jump on some ship
Speaker 3: this and that. Social media wasn't out yet like that,
Speaker 3: and so and and and all the way up. So
Speaker 3: a couple of DJs just like yo, should I sound
Speaker 3: like a lean Back? And then the ship just took
Speaker 3: off and went flying.
Speaker 1: You know, did you skip over?
Speaker 3: Lean Back was out of here? Lean Back was monster
Speaker 3: different type of dang. Shout out to scotts if.
Speaker 1: I had no question, are you are you independent?
Speaker 3: With no no, no, no, no no no, I'm signing
Speaker 3: Steve Rifkin. At the time, that was just like.
Speaker 1: But it's still under you though, on the squad because
Speaker 1: and we'll.
Speaker 3: Go to everything's under right, And that's what stories I
Speaker 3: want to talk about. That the stories I'm trying to
Speaker 3: tell you. It's like, look, I was signing Relativity Records,
Speaker 3: low low budget record label. Thank god they put me on.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm so close with Common. Me and him
Speaker 3: started on the same label, m P the beat Nuts,
Speaker 3: Chi Ali and so we we had this little label
Speaker 3: that was independent, but we I didn't own ship. I
Speaker 3: was just an artist. And then Bee Smalls blows up.
Speaker 3: So I gave Biggie Smalls his first show ever. So
Speaker 3: I was rapping and promoting shows at the same time.
Speaker 3: Like I told you, I was promoting out here. So
Speaker 3: we was tight tight. So Biggie said, y'all, let's make
Speaker 3: an album. Together. He was on the time. He had
Speaker 3: all a beef for Tupac and this and this and
Speaker 3: that and so, long story short, we recorded a couple
Speaker 3: of records. Immediately Atlantic Records heard that I was working
Speaker 3: with Biggie and you know how they do the divide
Speaker 3: and conquer. They came right over shout out my brother
Speaker 3: rob Reef Tuloh, thank god you did that. So he
Speaker 3: came over and said, Yo, you're working with Biggie on
Speaker 3: the album. I was saying yeah, so boom, he said, nah,
Speaker 3: we want to give you your own record label. We
Speaker 3: wanted this, this, that, and so I didn't even deserve
Speaker 3: my own record label. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 3: didn't even deserve my own record label because I was
Speaker 3: just on a bum fuck record label and I ain't
Speaker 3: really sell no records or nothing like that. Because they heard,
Speaker 3: they said, Yo, anything Puff touching anything, Biggie touching anybody
Speaker 3: touching like that, getting that the ship about to go
Speaker 3: get them.
Speaker 1: So we want to get a label and millions, and
Speaker 1: you had a label deal. Off of a tall conversation.
Speaker 3: We heard Nigga's talking Yo, Joe and Biggie working on
Speaker 3: something social social currency at the time. It wasn't social media,
Speaker 3: it wasn't not like that, but they heard the hype
Speaker 3: and it was like boom. And I remember I showed
Speaker 3: Poff Daddy the contract and he read it. He said, oh,
Speaker 3: play boy, you got to sign that. I ain't ain't.
Speaker 3: I'm not giving you nothing like that, playboy. Let me
Speaker 3: tell you some of the greatest South Sus single of
Speaker 3: all time. His name is Hector Loveo. That movie O
Speaker 3: Conte Jalo and Mark Anthony. That was his life and
Speaker 3: he's my favorite souths single of all time. And he
Speaker 3: got live songs where he's talking so much ship tank
Speaker 3: and I feel like I'm there. When I'm there, he says,
Speaker 3: the only singer that sings underwater, the only singer that
Speaker 3: when he opens his mouth, fire comes out. This this
Speaker 3: that I know you see a lot of singers in
Speaker 3: here and then fucking with me tonight like he was.
Speaker 3: And they were there and and and and so think
Speaker 3: Marvin Gay Stevie wondered this, but this and that. He
Speaker 3: was talking that ship with them there, so he's talking
Speaker 3: that SELLI cruises here, the biggest was there. He was like,
Speaker 3: ain't can't nobody fuck with me? I am the best
Speaker 3: and I'm like, wow, what you know? I never seen
Speaker 3: him live. I'm like, what it would have been to Besy?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Now my favorite song of all time?
Speaker 1: Hold on Speed Speed, Yeah. I introduced these kind of things,
Speaker 1: songs for these kind of things.
Speaker 3: Joe, you have songs for the introduction.
Speaker 1: Joe, this is crazy, gotta dream, hold on, let me
Speaker 1: get the dream dream. There we go, Joe, we have
Speaker 1: a song for this. Who's the song? Tell him what song?
Speaker 1: Top F.
Speaker 3: You're to lie.
Speaker 1: F your top fat ob singer?
Speaker 3: What else?
Speaker 1: R and B songs?
Speaker 3: We got a new that's this that Joe? We know
Speaker 3: how you room? What do we? You aren't know your top.
Speaker 2: And yes, rare.
Speaker 3: Pow top far.
Speaker 1: Jo.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm gonna give you my top five.
Speaker 3: Luther Evangels the greatest of all time, just my opinion.
Speaker 3: You know, some people say Teddy, some people say Stevie,
Speaker 3: some people say.
Speaker 1: People say Donnie. They say that, but I got their faithorite.
Speaker 3: We say everybody? So my guy is Luther Evangels the
Speaker 3: greatest of all time. I used to go to see
Speaker 3: him and he'd be this small because I was up
Speaker 3: a deck with a cheap three piece suit on. Like
Speaker 3: the cheap shit one n eighty dollars three piece suit
Speaker 3: up with my wife, with my wife, with my wife.
Speaker 3: The second one would be Babyface, And so anything Babyface
Speaker 3: is uh, Babyface is like uh, I know every ad, live,
Speaker 3: every lyric, every everything too. I could be a background
Speaker 3: singer for Babyface and so so many times baby Face
Speaker 3: performing people want to throw me out the show because
Speaker 3: you know, decent people go see Babyface.
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting in there.
Speaker 3: I'm standing in the front roads. You know, tell me where.
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: You tell me who you know. That's when you turn around,
Speaker 3: love you like you don't. You don't want to go
Speaker 3: to a Mary Jay's show with your wife there. You
Speaker 3: don't want to go cause you probably get stabbed in
Speaker 3: your back about forty times by mad women. Right, But Babyface,
Speaker 3: you could turn to your wife and go, but where
Speaker 3: where you go? And tell me who who? Who's gonna
Speaker 3: live your baby where that I do not tell you where?
Speaker 1: No, baby Face is the conversation.
Speaker 3: Where you go, Where where you go? And tell me
Speaker 3: who's gotta you know that's your babyface. There would be
Speaker 3: a Needa Baker. Now, I listen to Anita Baker every
Speaker 3: single day of my life. The only problem I got
Speaker 3: with Anita Baker still when I go to her shows,
Speaker 3: she don't sing the song. You know, she she kills
Speaker 3: it so much. She's so tired of singing these songs.
Speaker 3: So if you come to my song, you're gonna hear me.
Speaker 3: Go my show, you're gonna hear me say lean back,
Speaker 3: lean back, ain't hey, Hey, I'm trying to sing along
Speaker 3: with us, but she's killing it so much that I can't.
Speaker 3: Lauren Hill do that too. She get like they just
Speaker 3: like I guess, they want to change the song. Tired
Speaker 3: of singing the ship. They freak it a whole different way,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So, but Anita Baker, she's
Speaker 3: uh top three. So I got Luther, Babyface and Needa
Speaker 3: Baker Forth you know where I had to keep sweat.
Speaker 3: I have yeah, keep sweating. Oh you know step on stage.
Speaker 3: Girl screamed like I'm chief. He's just amazing to me. Man,
Speaker 3: I watched this man be a superstar my whole life.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, yeah, watch this man in real life be
Speaker 3: a superstar my whole life. When he used to have
Speaker 3: the show in Madison, squat Gardener, when he come out
Speaker 3: in the bed, they pushed the bed out and he
Speaker 3: got the He's still the biggest so Keith sweat Man.
Speaker 3: He's definitely a role model to me, somebody I look
Speaker 3: up to. And another way, Uh, and last is Stephanie
Speaker 3: Mills for sure, and so is you know, because Stephanie
Speaker 3: brings my moms and my aunts into it, you know.
Speaker 3: And when they was cleaning the saturdays, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, they playing that Stephanie top and I'm just like,
Speaker 3: you know, losing my mind with Stephanie and every time
Speaker 3: I hear her music it makes me feel the same way. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and she's also touring.
Speaker 1: Uh. You know. R and B.
Speaker 3: I think their fans support more than hip hop fans
Speaker 3: do because you can have hip hop guys slip through
Speaker 3: the cracks, but R and B, if you're not getting high,
Speaker 3: you show up, you can sing good still because some
Speaker 3: people that is sad. I've went to see some R
Speaker 3: and B singers that they lost their voice, and so
Speaker 3: it's crazy because I know they got to pay their bills,
Speaker 3: but I'd rather listen to the record how I know them,
Speaker 3: how they really was putting it down. They go to
Speaker 3: a show and they can't do it right. So that's
Speaker 3: my top five. Luther Vangels grew up like three blocks
Speaker 3: from me. Luther Vanels was born in the Lower East
Speaker 3: Side but came up to the Bronx, but literally three
Speaker 3: so that's it's safe to say. Luther grew up where
Speaker 3: hip hop was born.
Speaker 1: He lived.
Speaker 3: Five foot steps, you know, five blocks from me, so
Speaker 3: I didn't know tell our sampled the Luther's on to
Speaker 3: the Sunshine and his family. They cleared it so fast
Speaker 3: and they was like, Yo, we love you fat Joey
Speaker 3: from five blocks away. And then when I went to
Speaker 3: YouTube and started singing, I was like, Yo, fucking Luther
Speaker 3: from five blocks that's crazy. Luther van Jos everything to me.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. He's uh, he's my idel man.
Speaker 3: He's special. I don't think nobody can sing like him.
Speaker 3: I think he can hear any kind of note in
Speaker 3: the world. He was just crazy. I remember I used
Speaker 3: to go to shows. He walked past, and you know,
Speaker 3: Luther about to get him some shit. So every now
Speaker 3: and then I go on YouTube and I'd be like,
Speaker 3: all right, Luther BT Award Luther, American Music Award, Luther
Speaker 3: Tribute to Dion Warwick, and she on some shit. Like
Speaker 3: he's sitting there.
Speaker 1: You're ready.
Speaker 3: The whole crowd is laughing me for you. He started
Speaker 3: to sing because they already know, all right, Luther about
Speaker 3: to be on some shit. So that's why guy gave
Speaker 3: you the songs. I'll tell you a funny story about
Speaker 3: all right. And of course Michael Jackson Trump's everything. You know,
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson is Michael Jackson. He's an alien, right, and
Speaker 3: so to anything Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: But I mentioned a crazy story is I was in
Speaker 3: the studio with Rico Love, good friend of mine, brother,
Speaker 3: and he was working this one. He was writing every
Speaker 3: hit for Usher. I was there when he was writing
Speaker 3: all them hits for Usher, like hanging out with them,
Speaker 3: and Usher was dead. That's funny bout Usher. So so
Speaker 3: we up there one day, Usher begs me to take
Speaker 3: them to the club, right, and I'm like, y, usher Man,
Speaker 3: you know you don't want to go to no club,
Speaker 3: you know, because us likes I don't want the responsibility
Speaker 3: of having to hold down these fucking superstars, right, because
Speaker 3: I become security, you know, I can never let nothing
Speaker 3: happen to us. Ship now telling me take him to
Speaker 3: where all the Spanish chicks is that's usually in the
Speaker 3: hood out here. So he's like, Yo, I want to
Speaker 3: see this the Spanish chicks, let's go. I'm like, y'all
Speaker 3: should stay here. He was in a safe studio, fucking
Speaker 3: Jay Valentine Candles. We walk in the club and he
Speaker 3: starts dancing and I'm looking at him and the man
Speaker 3: is floating in one spot. He was doing some ship
Speaker 3: where he was floating. I'm looking at him. Everybody's looking
Speaker 3: at him, like, yo, fucking Usher floating in one spot.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the fuck he was doing. I
Speaker 3: was like, yo, the Scott he's not on his feet,
Speaker 3: he's like floating, right, Usher. But I was there for
Speaker 3: when we go rode all of them. And then I
Speaker 3: actually had to convince Kelly Rowland to do that song Motivation,
Speaker 3: and so she wasn't sure about it, and I was like, yo, Kelly,
Speaker 3: because she had just had a hit that was one
Speaker 3: of them sat Ship, so she was thinking about and
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, bro, you know you Destiny's child. You
Speaker 3: know that ship is this man. The man just wrote
Speaker 3: thirty million hits for us, like you catching them. That's
Speaker 3: another thing you know as a writer now, I know, right,
Speaker 3: Like so I did four songs with Scott Storch. Each
Speaker 3: one of them went number one on the Billboard one hundred.
Speaker 3: Had I known that, I would have did twenty songs
Speaker 3: at the time. You know, when you're gun hot. Yeah,
Speaker 3: when you got a pen in your gun hot, you
Speaker 3: gotta go.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, yo, his gun hot right now? You
Speaker 3: know she did it, and look that was a big
Speaker 3: hit for her. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Let's build your super R and B artists, Joe, right now,
Speaker 1: how do we do that? Show you? I'm goin to
Speaker 1: show you. This is called voltron, right, So you have
Speaker 1: to pick an R and B artist, dead or alive
Speaker 1: that you would get the vocal from, that you would
Speaker 1: get the performance style from, that you would get the
Speaker 1: styling from, and that you would get the passion from.
Speaker 1: So out of all the R and B artists that
Speaker 1: you know and love, did her alive? To make your
Speaker 1: super R and B artists, who would you get the
Speaker 1: vocal from?
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson? Nobody got that. Nobody got that tone, any
Speaker 3: kind of record, any record, nobody.
Speaker 1: We've said he had had four voices overtime, He's had
Speaker 1: four different voices Ala.
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson performance, I get Chris Brown. So I got
Speaker 3: an m J and a Chris Brown absolutely absolutely on
Speaker 3: the summer.
Speaker 1: All right Will Records. So who's the styling of the
Speaker 1: artists the drip? Who got the fly sh it on?
Speaker 3: If I could pick, if it could be a female,
Speaker 3: it could be a female. And I really think about this,
Speaker 3: but I think I go Aliyah.
Speaker 1: The stylis fly.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. That was that little tomboy
Speaker 3: look showing her little six pack. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I think she was a big trendsetter. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: So I would go vocally m J performance, Chris Brown
Speaker 3: styling the Leah.
Speaker 1: Passion, passion.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of passion, but passion. I'm torn between two.
Speaker 3: One I really know which is Maxwell.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Every time I see Maxwell, I stop him. I
Speaker 3: make him sing that ship to he can be drunk
Speaker 3: at a part. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, every time
Speaker 3: sing the song man, Yeah yeah, sing the song. Max.
Speaker 3: We could be in the club popping. I'll be like, yo,
Speaker 3: you gotta be like yo, Joe, you got so you
Speaker 3: need passion to hit that note. And somebody I don't
Speaker 3: really know all her music like that, but just from
Speaker 3: seeing her perform so many times throughout my whole life,
Speaker 3: I'll say, you Alounder Adams because when she's singing, she's shinging.
Speaker 1: She's not playing.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, she's not playing with these people, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. And we get throw Patty in
Speaker 3: there too, Patty LaBelle, but you know those are like,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, passion. So I got vocally
Speaker 3: nobody better than MJ with the his tones is like
Speaker 3: it's unreal. Like every time I listen to Michael. Matter
Speaker 3: of fact, I'm gonna listen to him now when I
Speaker 3: leave here and go in the car. Vocally nobody, performance wise,
Speaker 3: nobody like Chris Brown. I don't watch Chris Brown jump
Speaker 3: off the balcony and land on one finger the ship
Speaker 3: like yo, bro, this guy here, I'm not exaggerating. I'm
Speaker 3: not exaggerating.
Speaker 1: I didn't know where he.
Speaker 3: Was gonna say, Yo, he flipped off the bunton. He
Speaker 3: laying on one finger and then opening humbrother and like yo, brother,
Speaker 3: like the man unreal, like we gotta stop but this but.
Speaker 1: This ship is true too. That's what makes me. Man.
Speaker 3: It's unreal. Then he'll go playing game of basketball and
Speaker 3: dropped sixty on it. Yo, He's unreal. Swag I said it,
Speaker 3: lib yeah, yeah, and passion. I gave you a couple
Speaker 3: of Jews from Yolanda Adams, Patty Down and uh and Maxwell.
Speaker 3: It's just Maxwell. He did it.
Speaker 1: He did.
Speaker 3: You know Nas. You know Nas never had the rhyme
Speaker 3: outside of Illmatic. He created such a classic, the album Illmatic.
Speaker 3: If he never rhymed again, he'd be a legend, the
Speaker 3: icon on the Mount Rushmore forever. Yeah, right, because if
Speaker 3: you think about it, on Dred three thousand ain't really rapping,
Speaker 3: like fifteen years, we still got him on Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 3: So your man Nis were ill matter. He was done.
Speaker 3: He did some ship that goes into in the Museum
Speaker 3: of Natural History, right, and so Max man with that.
Speaker 3: I ain't never had the saying of a song swimming
Speaker 3: through the concrete and ship. You remember the video. You
Speaker 3: remember the video You're swimming through the you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So you know, I'm good with what my choices.
Speaker 1: Were all before we let you, before we let you
Speaker 1: out of here, brother Joe. Yeah, we got a very
Speaker 1: very very special part of this show. We keep themed songs.
Speaker 1: Ready here, Okay, that's my that's my job. This one is.
Speaker 1: I ain't saying no names. I ain't saying no names.
Speaker 1: Ain't saying no names. I ain't saying no name.
Speaker 3: Where you were, what you did? You don't say she.
Speaker 1: I ain't saying nobody.
Speaker 3: And that's all we want to We don't want nobody
Speaker 3: to say no names.
Speaker 1: So this is no man, very very very special segment.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Man, it was an honor to
Speaker 3: be You got you got to. You're not done yet.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm not done.
Speaker 2: You're not done. You got one more thing. Okay, it's
Speaker 2: the part of the show is called I ain't saying
Speaker 2: no names. Will you tell us a story? Funny or
Speaker 2: fucked up? Are funny and fucked up? The only rule
Speaker 2: to the game is you can't say no names.
Speaker 3: Okay, what comes to mind?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: I got too many stories. Oh it was an artist
Speaker 3: right that, Uh, an R and B artist who was
Speaker 3: very sexual, very uh you know, write songs for the
Speaker 3: ladies and this and that and.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: He would have women butt naked like if it was
Speaker 3: like like art, like you know how you statue like
Speaker 3: a statue like art. And he would write his hit
Speaker 3: records looking at butt naked women. That was like his art,
Speaker 3: you know how he got this and then and then
Speaker 3: another red Bone to come and another one and they
Speaker 3: was they was older. I don't want nobody thinking, no
Speaker 3: crazy shit. But I ain't saying no names. But let
Speaker 3: me tell you something that that I never forget. I
Speaker 3: never forgot that session. But I was just like they
Speaker 3: was just coming poles about an hour coming poles, but
Speaker 3: naked on the stool thing. My walk out the room,
Speaker 3: another one come in and the dude just be writing
Speaker 3: here records about girls. I ain't saying no names. Wow.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 3: That's a legendary. I never gave nobody that one.
Speaker 1: That's a legend to that. Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: You never know what people's inspiration is that. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is is a question. Is that is that? Is that cheating?
Speaker 1: I'm just writing a song. It's not it's not cheating, right.
Speaker 3: No, it's not cheating. No, no, no, it's not cheating.
Speaker 1: It's not cheating.
Speaker 3: Okay, with that, I didn't see the girls flirting. They
Speaker 3: weren't even looking at us. They were there minding their
Speaker 3: business like they posing like I don't get yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: but I ain't saying no names.
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, other fat Joe. We are. I mean, family
Speaker 1: goes without saying, but we are.
Speaker 3: We are.
Speaker 1: I think we are all inspired and and we are
Speaker 1: all better because of what you've done and how you
Speaker 1: do it, man, And we appreciate we appreciate you a
Speaker 1: thousand times over. I appreciate you giving me the call.
Speaker 1: As I said, you've always been inclusively, You've always wrapped
Speaker 1: your hands and arms around everyone. And you give me
Speaker 1: a call and say, hey, man, you want you want
Speaker 1: to be part of this. Yeah, it wasn't a do
Speaker 1: you want to be part of this? It was you
Speaker 1: want to be part of.
Speaker 3: You get money right? Think of Tyson back for right,
Speaker 3: one of the most handsome men in the world. You've
Speaker 3: been a runway model forever. We found a way for
Speaker 3: people who love him to support and he get paid
Speaker 3: now office his looks so every night somebody, every day
Speaker 3: he ain't somebody buying the box. You know, we finally
Speaker 3: found the right system for Tyson Beckford to get his
Speaker 3: just due, get his flowers right. And so you know,
Speaker 3: it's the beginning of a lot of stuff we're gonna do.
Speaker 3: You know, shout out to jay Z. He going for
Speaker 3: the casino up in New York Times Square, and so
Speaker 3: I wanted to get it because then fifteen thousand people
Speaker 3: that look like us to get jobs and Times Square
Speaker 3: and so I just every time I hear amazing things
Speaker 3: from people you know, I look up to or who
Speaker 3: I love or what they're doing, you know, and inspires me.
Speaker 1: Well, you inspire his brother in that absolutely, that is
Speaker 1: the blueprint, man. How can we continue to push it
Speaker 1: forward or pay it forward? You know what I mean?
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