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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey Daron, Welcome back. It's the latest episode of the

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Speaker 1: Book of Joe with Tom Verducci and Joe Madden. Joe,

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Speaker 1: I got a question for you about first basement. Do

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Speaker 1: you have an idea as a manager, like what your

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Speaker 1: prototypical first basement is? And if you want, you could say,

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Speaker 1: Dick Allen, your guy growing up, going into the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame this summer, But give me your idea the

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Speaker 1: prototypical first basement.

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Speaker 2: I like, actually, I like a left tended first baseman

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Speaker 2: because of the whole I've always felt he can cover

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Speaker 2: the ground to his right a little bit better than

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Speaker 2: a right hander Ken Obviously, I also like him from

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Speaker 2: the perspective of tagging, you know, first base on a

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Speaker 2: pickoff throw, whether it's from the picture of the catcher.

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Speaker 2: I like a first basement that throws well. It's just

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Speaker 2: so underrated the double play from the three to six

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Speaker 2: to three player, even the times you have to throw

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Speaker 2: like at least an accurate arm. So I'm gonna go

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Speaker 2: there first. But of course, hitting wise, if it doesn't

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Speaker 2: have extreme power, it's the ability to really hit for

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Speaker 2: a high on base percentage, a good number, whether it's

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Speaker 2: Keith r. Nandez, I had, Wally Joinner, will actually sign

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Speaker 2: Wally Joiner. That kind of guy is compared to God.

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Speaker 2: I love Dick, like you've talked about. That's my favorites.

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Speaker 2: So it depends on what else you have on your team.

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Speaker 2: But that's it. I mean, I like the lefty over there,

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Speaker 2: if at all possible, and then with the offensive side

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Speaker 2: normally not the best base runner. Maybe Warren Crowmarty might

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Speaker 2: have been of an exception, but for the most part

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Speaker 2: I liked. I liked the defense, and then of course

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Speaker 2: either power or just a really extreme ability to get

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Speaker 2: on base and hit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as you were going through some of your your

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Speaker 1: criteria for first basement, especially on the defensive side, but

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Speaker 1: in my mind's eye kept seeing Anthony Rizzo making all

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Speaker 1: those plays over there. And who's been better at covering

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Speaker 1: the bunt since Kei Hernandez than Anthony Rizzo. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's a weapon on defense. The reason I bring it up, Joe,

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Speaker 1: is the state of first basement in Major League Baseball

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Speaker 1: right now is, in a word, terrible. I don't know

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Speaker 1: why this is I don't think there's a reason. I

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Speaker 1: think these things do go in cycles. But let me

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Speaker 1: throw some numbers at you. First baseman in the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty fourth season hit two forty eight. That is the

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Speaker 1: lowest ever in a full season, the worst batting average

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Speaker 1: ever for first baseman power. How about home runs the

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Speaker 1: lowest in a decade since twenty fourteen. On base percentage

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Speaker 1: the third lowest in the history of the position. Only

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Speaker 1: we're going back to the dead ball era here, Joe

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Speaker 1: nineteen fourteen and nineteen sixteen were lower. RBIs lowest in

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Speaker 1: a generation going back to nineteen ninety two, and slugging

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Speaker 1: it's tied for the lowest in a full season since

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Speaker 1: seventy eight. I mean, when I sat down looked at this,

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Speaker 1: I knew it wasn't great. I didn't realize just how

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I understand it's hard to get a hit in

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Speaker 1: today's game, There's no question about that. And a pitcher

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Speaker 1: is basically because of how we can develop them and technology,

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Speaker 1: have the upper hand and offense. But my goodness, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about guys who can't it for average and don't

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Speaker 1: it for power. It's a problem around the game.

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Speaker 2: I mean, as you're saying all that, does it also

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Speaker 2: apply to third basement? I mean, in general, are guys

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Speaker 2: just gravitating more like the to the center of the field,

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Speaker 2: whether it's catching second, short, and center field, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's always as a young Scott, I was

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Speaker 2: told to look up the middle, and that's what I

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Speaker 2: always did. Gene Thompson taught me that when I started

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Speaker 2: scouting in nineteen eighty one. Look up the middle. But

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Speaker 2: just thinking about third basement in general right now, and

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Speaker 2: there's very few that I think really reach a huge number.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna correct me on this, I'm sure, but I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a strong reason why that is. It's

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Speaker 2: seems as though corner guys in general maybe aren't as

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems to me. And for years, I think

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Speaker 1: happening now at first base for some reason, just obviously

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Speaker 1: a lack of really good options. Just to give you

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Speaker 1: an example, the Milwaukee Brewers first baseman and they made

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, won the division. They had two hundred it

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Speaker 1: was the worst in baseball. Padres first baseman twelve home

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Speaker 1: with two hundred total bases at first base. And that's

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Speaker 1: why they're taking a flyer. I'm Paul Goldschmith, thirty seven

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Speaker 1: years old, coming off his worst season, and I bring

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Speaker 1: this up, Joe, because I wanted to talk about Pete Alonso.

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Speaker 1: We just established that the first base market is really thin.

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Speaker 1: first base, and yet Pete Alonso is still out there

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Speaker 1: as we turned the corner to the new year. He's

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Speaker 1: a guy in his first six years in the big leagues,

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Speaker 1: he's averaged thirty eight home runs. I mean, he's a

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Speaker 1: plug and play, middle of the order guy. Yes, we

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Speaker 1: reliable in that regard. I want to get your take

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Speaker 1: on Pete Alonzo and why the market for him really

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as you're saying all this again my thin slicing,

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Speaker 2: it's it's something to do with analytics. Obviously, they're probably

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Speaker 2: seeing a very not a gradual decline with these guys,

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Speaker 2: he's been so good. But then you look at a

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Speaker 2: names aren't as glamorous as they had been at one time. Possibly,

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Speaker 2: but with the Alonso, you know, the home runs are there.

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Speaker 2: I just think there might be considered inconsistency with some

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Speaker 2: parts of his game. I mean, I know he can

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Speaker 2: get very streaky, but a lot of guys with power

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Speaker 2: can defensively He's okay, is it? Are they actually, like

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Speaker 2: you're talking, we're talking offenses. Are there some of the

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Speaker 2: lesser than hitters right now considered good defenders. Are they

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Speaker 2: they just don't see enough offensive people there, like for instance,

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Speaker 2: I mean just really saving errors on shortstops and third

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Speaker 2: I got I loved looking out there and knowing my

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Speaker 2: become a more of a premium on defense. I don't

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Speaker 2: know that either for a fact. It's just you're right.

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Speaker 2: I have no specific answer. It just seems odd because

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Speaker 2: For years. Every team you played against that a guy

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Speaker 2: primarily offensively. And then when you have the defense of

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Speaker 2: brought up rizz Riz was great with the Angels, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Rays was like Carlos Pena always had a good

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Speaker 2: first basement guy that can hit it with power and

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Speaker 2: the answer. Just it sounds like it's analytically driven to me,

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Speaker 1: I think you're right, Yes, I think there's more buy

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Speaker 1: in in front offices on the defensive metrics. So if

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Speaker 1: the numbers show Pete A. Lonso is not a great defender,

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Speaker 1: that you were talking about, but every time he has

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Speaker 1: to make that three to one play, it's a roller coaster.

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Speaker 1: He just hold your breath, doesn't have a lot of range,

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Speaker 1: hands aren't great on ground balls. But again paying for

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Speaker 1: they're what the anlys people call older player skills, right.

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Speaker 1: a great runner, not a great defender. He's coming off

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Speaker 1: I think the comps to me, and this is what

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Speaker 1: You've got Richie Sexson. I think the analytics people in

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Speaker 1: And I think that's where he's stuck. I mean, he

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Yeah, it's just writing all that

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Speaker 2: kind of like little notes regarding that first analytically driven

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Speaker 2: think that's part of it. So I think there's teams

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Speaker 2: does a team believe he's worth compared to what him

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Speaker 2: trying to prove the point going into next season, although

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Speaker 2: that's going to get even worse more than likely body

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Speaker 2: type history, et cetera. So it's analytically driven issue. They

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Speaker 2: decline coming. Let this year, this passer into this year

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Speaker 2: And if a team could get him within their parameters

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Speaker 2: people to show up and watch them. The first basement

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Speaker 2: of the kid they got there, Shaneils. How do you

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Speaker 2: say his name?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean he's a new Dave Maggot in essentially, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Joe and I think everybody who's on that ballot has

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Speaker 1: First of all, give me your impressions on Billy Wagner

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, not a big guy, but gosh, the

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, This was before we started measuring things like

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Speaker 2: It that way. I'd like to see the numbers. Was

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Speaker 2: And he's not a campaigner from what I could understand.

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Speaker 1: and you have four years, actually you have five to

430
00:21:17,318 --> 00:21:19,798
Speaker 1: complete four years, and if you get a medical red shirt,

431
00:21:19,838 --> 00:21:23,118
Speaker 1: you could get six years. I mean, this could really

432
00:21:23,158 --> 00:21:25,718
Speaker 1: be a game changer in college baseball because now you're

433
00:21:25,718 --> 00:21:28,878
Speaker 1: may be looking at only the elite players and then

434
00:21:28,918 --> 00:21:31,438
Speaker 1: guys who are twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven years old,

435
00:21:31,958 --> 00:21:34,638
Speaker 1: Because how is a kid who's seventeen or eighteen supposed

436
00:21:34,638 --> 00:21:37,158
Speaker 1: to compete with that kid. Very interesting. If this holds

437
00:21:37,238 --> 00:21:41,318
Speaker 1: up and it does apply to baseball, that's a game

438
00:21:41,398 --> 00:21:44,478
Speaker 1: changer that your time spent at JC would not count

439
00:21:44,518 --> 00:21:46,518
Speaker 1: towards NCAA eligibility.

440
00:21:47,318 --> 00:21:49,798
Speaker 2: It just starts off with me thinking that from a

441
00:21:49,838 --> 00:21:53,638
Speaker 2: Major league perspective, scouting wise, it's almost like drafting a

442
00:21:53,678 --> 00:21:55,878
Speaker 2: kid that was went on a Mormon mission, and you

443
00:21:55,918 --> 00:21:59,238
Speaker 2: would get these guys a little bit older. They would

444
00:21:59,238 --> 00:22:02,718
Speaker 2: go primarily BYU or inversive of Utah, all the teams

445
00:22:02,718 --> 00:22:05,278
Speaker 2: out there, because I've got at them and I saw them,

446
00:22:05,278 --> 00:22:07,478
Speaker 2: and you know, there's a maturity component to it. But

447
00:22:07,558 --> 00:22:09,918
Speaker 2: for the most part, even and I saw some guys

448
00:22:09,918 --> 00:22:12,878
Speaker 2: with some good stuff that later in the rounds because

449
00:22:12,878 --> 00:22:15,958
Speaker 2: of their age at that particular juncture, and guys are

450
00:22:16,118 --> 00:22:18,478
Speaker 2: organizations to be scared away because they would prefer getting

451
00:22:18,478 --> 00:22:20,278
Speaker 2: the younger guy. Now, having said that, the way the

452
00:22:20,798 --> 00:22:23,638
Speaker 2: mining system works today, this actually might become more attractive

453
00:22:24,318 --> 00:22:28,318
Speaker 2: because if you could delay the time, maybe they'd have

454
00:22:28,358 --> 00:22:29,958
Speaker 2: to change the draft rules. I don't know. That might

455
00:22:29,998 --> 00:22:32,158
Speaker 2: be part of this too, But to have to wait

456
00:22:32,198 --> 00:22:35,198
Speaker 2: longer to get a kid because he went for two

457
00:22:35,238 --> 00:22:37,198
Speaker 2: years and all of a sudden, he could even be

458
00:22:37,198 --> 00:22:39,358
Speaker 2: a late Bloomer, all of a sudden, the college really

459
00:22:39,398 --> 00:22:42,198
Speaker 2: makes him better than you could have projected because you

460
00:22:42,278 --> 00:22:44,238
Speaker 2: actually get to see it, don't have to imagine it.

461
00:22:44,718 --> 00:22:47,158
Speaker 2: So this might be attractive too. I you know, on

462
00:22:47,198 --> 00:22:49,918
Speaker 2: the surface, just philosophically, I don't see anything wrong with that,

463
00:22:50,838 --> 00:22:53,238
Speaker 2: But then again I don't. I'd you'd have to wait

464
00:22:53,278 --> 00:22:58,238
Speaker 2: and see analytically how this plays out. Regarding the players

465
00:22:58,278 --> 00:23:00,198
Speaker 2: that go through the two years, all of a sudden,

466
00:23:00,198 --> 00:23:03,078
Speaker 2: now they're going to jump to ASU. Now they're twenty

467
00:23:03,478 --> 00:23:06,998
Speaker 2: probably twenty years old, maybe in their freshman year. By

468
00:23:07,038 --> 00:23:11,078
Speaker 2: the time they get to the professional ball twenty three

469
00:23:11,078 --> 00:23:13,318
Speaker 2: to twenty four, which is considered ancient if you're just

470
00:23:13,358 --> 00:23:17,278
Speaker 2: starting it. So all those things have to be reevaluated.

471
00:23:17,598 --> 00:23:21,558
Speaker 2: But again, like I said, with the lesser than minor

472
00:23:21,638 --> 00:23:24,998
Speaker 2: league system, this might be another version of the minor

473
00:23:25,078 --> 00:23:28,958
Speaker 2: leagues that could really be exploited by baseball. And then

474
00:23:28,958 --> 00:23:33,358
Speaker 2: the boom comes to the colleges regarding talent and the

475
00:23:33,398 --> 00:23:35,158
Speaker 2: ability to compete at a high level. So there's a

476
00:23:35,238 --> 00:23:38,158
Speaker 2: lot going on there. First time I'm hearing that that's

477
00:23:38,238 --> 00:23:39,998
Speaker 2: my thin slice, and in the beginning there's a lot

478
00:23:39,998 --> 00:23:41,678
Speaker 2: going on, or that could be interesting. I don't know.

479
00:23:42,238 --> 00:23:44,998
Speaker 2: The only the downside would be the time, the age

480
00:23:45,038 --> 00:23:48,678
Speaker 2: that you are then eligible to become a professional player.

481
00:23:49,118 --> 00:23:50,918
Speaker 2: But then, like I said before, I mean it's a

482
00:23:50,958 --> 00:23:53,798
Speaker 2: way to incubate these guys a little bit longer. From

483
00:23:53,798 --> 00:23:57,078
Speaker 2: a professional standpoint, that may be attractive.

484
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Speaker 1: I don't know, that's a great point. You convinced me

485
00:23:59,998 --> 00:24:02,878
Speaker 1: of that, because you know the college is now. Let's

486
00:24:02,918 --> 00:24:05,438
Speaker 1: face it, they have all all the technology and development

487
00:24:05,558 --> 00:24:08,758
Speaker 1: and facilities now that essentially the minor leagues have, right,

488
00:24:09,558 --> 00:24:11,918
Speaker 1: So I don't think Major League Baseball would mind having

489
00:24:11,958 --> 00:24:15,078
Speaker 1: these kids develop longer. As you said, you get a

490
00:24:15,118 --> 00:24:18,598
Speaker 1: longer look, longer development, you tend to be more right

491
00:24:18,918 --> 00:24:21,038
Speaker 1: on making decisions on players the longer you get to

492
00:24:21,038 --> 00:24:24,678
Speaker 1: see them. And quite frankly, they wouldn't mind these guys

493
00:24:24,718 --> 00:24:28,318
Speaker 1: starting their service clocks later, right, because you're not going

494
00:24:28,358 --> 00:24:31,078
Speaker 1: to be a free agent until you're thirty one thirty

495
00:24:31,118 --> 00:24:33,478
Speaker 1: two years old, so you're not going to kill it

496
00:24:33,518 --> 00:24:36,598
Speaker 1: on the market at that age. So it's really there's

497
00:24:36,638 --> 00:24:38,998
Speaker 1: a lot of dominoes that could fall here, and we're

498
00:24:38,998 --> 00:24:41,958
Speaker 1: already seeing older players get into the system. You know,

499
00:24:41,958 --> 00:24:43,838
Speaker 1: there's a lot of parents who will keep their kids

500
00:24:43,878 --> 00:24:47,398
Speaker 1: out to start grade school, you know, another year to

501
00:24:47,398 --> 00:24:50,878
Speaker 1: have them develop. We do have people taking medical red shirts.

502
00:24:52,078 --> 00:24:54,358
Speaker 1: This would push the numbers out there even farther in

503
00:24:54,438 --> 00:24:58,198
Speaker 1: terms of age developed when they start as a professional.

504
00:24:58,598 --> 00:25:00,518
Speaker 1: But as I said, I think it sounds like it

505
00:25:00,518 --> 00:25:02,958
Speaker 1: sounds like you agree with me, Joe. The colleges could

506
00:25:02,998 --> 00:25:07,198
Speaker 1: become de facto minor leagues for Major League Baseball.

507
00:25:06,518 --> 00:25:10,478
Speaker 2: Right and by pushing it back, like I said, I'd

508
00:25:10,518 --> 00:25:14,198
Speaker 2: be curious as to if there'd have to be change

509
00:25:14,198 --> 00:25:17,718
Speaker 2: in the way the draft is considered now. When I

510
00:25:17,758 --> 00:25:20,118
Speaker 2: was doing it, I think it's still the same. Twenty

511
00:25:20,158 --> 00:25:22,678
Speaker 2: one years old was pretty much the thing. Either senior

512
00:25:22,718 --> 00:25:25,718
Speaker 2: in high school, anytime a junior college. And then if

513
00:25:25,718 --> 00:25:28,518
Speaker 2: you're in a four year school, if you turn twenty

514
00:25:28,518 --> 00:25:32,158
Speaker 2: one before your junior year, then you would become eligible.

515
00:25:32,158 --> 00:25:34,598
Speaker 2: Otherwise you'd have to be a junior. So those are

516
00:25:34,598 --> 00:25:36,038
Speaker 2: the rules in place. I don't know if they're the

517
00:25:36,078 --> 00:25:39,838
Speaker 2: same today as they had been, but that'd be interesting

518
00:25:39,918 --> 00:25:44,678
Speaker 2: because this guy being a sophomore freshman, sophomore, even as

519
00:25:44,678 --> 00:25:46,598
Speaker 2: a freshman, he could be close to twenty one, if

520
00:25:46,598 --> 00:25:49,438
Speaker 2: not twenty one after his freshman year. Does that then

521
00:25:49,478 --> 00:25:51,958
Speaker 2: make him draft eligible as a twenty one year old,

522
00:25:52,558 --> 00:25:55,558
Speaker 2: which then causes colleges to scram believe and more to

523
00:25:55,598 --> 00:25:58,878
Speaker 2: replace guy. So there's this. Even though it could benefit

524
00:25:58,958 --> 00:26:02,198
Speaker 2: the colleges in terms of having a greater talent poll

525
00:26:02,238 --> 00:26:05,238
Speaker 2: to choose from it at an age, it still might

526
00:26:05,278 --> 00:26:07,238
Speaker 2: be that they're going to get raided, almost like an

527
00:26:07,318 --> 00:26:09,878
Speaker 2: NBA situation that could get raided almost at any time,

528
00:26:11,238 --> 00:26:13,398
Speaker 2: like a portal. I mean, you could just just jump

529
00:26:13,438 --> 00:26:17,718
Speaker 2: around through this minor league system formerly known as college baseball.

530
00:26:17,758 --> 00:26:20,958
Speaker 2: So that'd be all interesting to see. I'm not a

531
00:26:20,958 --> 00:26:23,558
Speaker 2: post not at all. I think that'd be kind of interesting,

532
00:26:23,638 --> 00:26:25,518
Speaker 2: But there have to be a lot of little tweaks

533
00:26:25,518 --> 00:26:27,558
Speaker 2: here and there that would have to govern this.

534
00:26:28,118 --> 00:26:30,558
Speaker 1: Hey, speaking of football, Joe, I'm not sure if you

535
00:26:30,598 --> 00:26:33,838
Speaker 1: saw the comments from Bill Belichick, who's now coaching at

536
00:26:33,838 --> 00:26:36,198
Speaker 1: North Carolina leaving the NFL for the college game, and

537
00:26:36,238 --> 00:26:38,078
Speaker 1: I believe it was on the Pat McAfee show where

538
00:26:38,078 --> 00:26:41,638
Speaker 1: he's asked about the Patriots making a change in the

539
00:26:41,638 --> 00:26:44,918
Speaker 1: head coaching position after just one year, and he basically said,

540
00:26:44,998 --> 00:26:48,598
Speaker 1: not surprising the manager they're coach. In this case, NFL

541
00:26:48,678 --> 00:26:51,478
Speaker 1: coach doesn't have the power to make decisions. The front

542
00:26:51,518 --> 00:26:53,638
Speaker 1: office is going to make decisions, and it sounds like

543
00:26:54,158 --> 00:26:56,718
Speaker 1: that's one reason why Bill Belichick is in college, because

544
00:26:56,758 --> 00:26:59,958
Speaker 1: he's empowered now to actually make decisions. I'm not sure

545
00:26:59,958 --> 00:27:02,198
Speaker 1: if you caught that, but that was a commentary on

546
00:27:02,278 --> 00:27:04,078
Speaker 1: the way the NFL is run these days.

547
00:27:04,798 --> 00:27:09,758
Speaker 2: Surprised, No, We've We've been talking and exposing this for

548
00:27:09,798 --> 00:27:12,118
Speaker 2: a bit. It's true. I mean when he went back

549
00:27:12,118 --> 00:27:14,158
Speaker 2: to I mean, listen, that's always been like an interesting

550
00:27:14,238 --> 00:27:17,718
Speaker 2: thought to me if you wanted to step back, not

551
00:27:18,158 --> 00:27:22,558
Speaker 2: back necessarily, but move along to like a college situation

552
00:27:22,718 --> 00:27:25,638
Speaker 2: on college football, you know, even but there's some big

553
00:27:25,718 --> 00:27:28,518
Speaker 2: obviously big time college baseball situation. The difference there is

554
00:27:28,558 --> 00:27:31,718
Speaker 2: the recruiting component of it. Although I'm sure he's just

555
00:27:31,718 --> 00:27:34,198
Speaker 2: going to sit and have recruits brought to him as

556
00:27:34,238 --> 00:27:36,678
Speaker 2: opposed to have to go and scour. Who knows. If

557
00:27:36,718 --> 00:27:38,798
Speaker 2: I was, I'd get it an RV and just drive around.

558
00:27:39,198 --> 00:27:42,318
Speaker 2: But it's interesting to see what he does and how

559
00:27:42,318 --> 00:27:45,358
Speaker 2: he does it. The narrative coming from him is important

560
00:27:46,078 --> 00:27:48,718
Speaker 2: because if he's saying stuff like that, then people really

561
00:27:48,758 --> 00:27:50,798
Speaker 2: do have to pay attention to it and understand that

562
00:27:51,518 --> 00:27:53,398
Speaker 2: it is true and it's not. You know, a couple

563
00:27:53,478 --> 00:27:55,638
Speaker 2: of folks is talking about it. It absolutely is true,

564
00:27:55,678 --> 00:27:58,918
Speaker 2: and that's that's the world of professional sports in general

565
00:27:58,958 --> 00:28:01,758
Speaker 2: these days. It's not. The people on the bench or

566
00:28:01,758 --> 00:28:04,318
Speaker 2: in the dugout don't necessarily have the same kind of

567
00:28:04,318 --> 00:28:08,398
Speaker 2: abilities or voice that they had that abilities, the same

568
00:28:08,478 --> 00:28:10,758
Speaker 2: voice that they had in the past, So and that

569
00:28:10,798 --> 00:28:15,558
Speaker 2: becomes less interesting. And then that also requires less requirements

570
00:28:15,598 --> 00:28:17,558
Speaker 2: to be hired in that position in the first place,

571
00:28:17,598 --> 00:28:19,678
Speaker 2: because there's going to be less required of you in

572
00:28:19,718 --> 00:28:23,558
Speaker 2: regards to decision making in game decisions, et cetera. Because

573
00:28:24,198 --> 00:28:27,718
Speaker 2: you don't have to like manage in Puria, Midland whatever,

574
00:28:27,838 --> 00:28:32,598
Speaker 2: be Roving instructed to throw ten thousand million throws a

575
00:28:32,638 --> 00:28:35,038
Speaker 2: batting practice in order to develop this ability to see

576
00:28:35,078 --> 00:28:39,718
Speaker 2: things so very interesting. I will look into it, because yeah,

577
00:28:39,998 --> 00:28:43,758
Speaker 2: absolutely it pretty much corresponds to the narrative in our

578
00:28:43,798 --> 00:28:45,318
Speaker 2: show right here and what we've talked about.

579
00:28:46,078 --> 00:28:48,838
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, my guess is, if you're a football

580
00:28:48,878 --> 00:28:52,438
Speaker 1: coach and you want to also win or lose as

581
00:28:52,438 --> 00:28:56,358
Speaker 1: it may be, with your players in your system, the

582
00:28:56,398 --> 00:28:58,758
Speaker 1: place to do that is college. I just don't think

583
00:28:58,958 --> 00:29:01,278
Speaker 1: you are the player personnel director and head coach in

584
00:29:01,318 --> 00:29:03,478
Speaker 1: the NFL anymore. There are people above you who are

585
00:29:03,598 --> 00:29:06,638
Speaker 1: put in the roster together and sometimes telling you, you know,

586
00:29:06,718 --> 00:29:09,638
Speaker 1: which guys need to play or not. So that's my guess.

587
00:29:09,638 --> 00:29:11,798
Speaker 1: I'm Bill Belichick going to college. We'll see how it

588
00:29:11,838 --> 00:29:14,118
Speaker 1: works out. I think it's a lot to ask with

589
00:29:14,278 --> 00:29:16,998
Speaker 1: the We've seen a lot of college basketball and football

590
00:29:17,038 --> 00:29:19,158
Speaker 1: coaches getting out of the business because the NIL and

591
00:29:19,198 --> 00:29:22,558
Speaker 1: the portal has really really changed. You know, what's going

592
00:29:22,598 --> 00:29:25,638
Speaker 1: on in college sports in terms of turnovers. But you

593
00:29:25,678 --> 00:29:28,238
Speaker 1: can't question the track record of Bill Belichick. We'll keep

594
00:29:28,278 --> 00:29:32,038
Speaker 1: on eye on that. Speaking of keeping our eye on things, Joe,

595
00:29:32,758 --> 00:29:36,958
Speaker 1: the new vehicle sales list came out from twenty twenty four.

596
00:29:37,558 --> 00:29:40,118
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you've noticed recently as you're driving

597
00:29:40,158 --> 00:29:42,678
Speaker 1: down the road what's going on on the highways these days.

598
00:29:42,678 --> 00:29:44,798
Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask you about that. We'll talk

599
00:29:44,838 --> 00:29:46,838
Speaker 1: about that coming up. We love to talk about cars

600
00:29:46,878 --> 00:30:01,118
Speaker 1: here on the book and Joe, So, Joe, I don't

601
00:30:01,118 --> 00:30:03,438
Speaker 1: know how many times I'm driving down the road and

602
00:30:03,678 --> 00:30:08,118
Speaker 1: all I see are these small SUVs, like one after

603
00:30:08,198 --> 00:30:12,558
Speaker 1: another after another after another. So, as I mentioned, the

604
00:30:12,598 --> 00:30:15,478
Speaker 1: new vehicle sales came out for twenty twenty four and

605
00:30:15,678 --> 00:30:19,638
Speaker 1: first of all, the highest new vehicle sales since before

606
00:30:19,678 --> 00:30:22,278
Speaker 1: the pandemic twenty nineteen, So it was good year for

607
00:30:22,318 --> 00:30:26,598
Speaker 1: the car industry. Eight of the top ten vehicles in

608
00:30:26,678 --> 00:30:31,118
Speaker 1: terms of sales were pickup trucks or SUVs. The only

609
00:30:31,158 --> 00:30:37,358
Speaker 1: two sedans on the list were Tesla and the Toyota Camry.

610
00:30:38,158 --> 00:30:42,758
Speaker 1: That's it. Toyota actually is considering converting their entire line

611
00:30:42,798 --> 00:30:46,158
Speaker 1: up to hybrids because evs just haven't really taken off

612
00:30:46,198 --> 00:30:48,878
Speaker 1: the way people thought they would. But Joe, I got

613
00:30:48,958 --> 00:30:53,118
Speaker 1: there's like this sameness that's going on here with these crossovers, SUVs,

614
00:30:53,158 --> 00:30:54,798
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call them. Are you seeing the

615
00:30:54,838 --> 00:30:55,318
Speaker 1: same thing?

616
00:30:55,478 --> 00:30:58,638
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? Absolutely, And I've actually read about that

617
00:30:58,678 --> 00:31:00,878
Speaker 2: where there's no sedans. We've talked about this. Now we like,

618
00:31:00,878 --> 00:31:02,118
Speaker 2: there's no.

619
00:31:01,638 --> 00:31:04,278
Speaker 1: No American made other than Tesla, you know, an EV

620
00:31:04,518 --> 00:31:06,798
Speaker 1: But yeah, they got out of the damn business.

621
00:31:07,118 --> 00:31:09,158
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, I drive a car and I

622
00:31:09,158 --> 00:31:10,998
Speaker 2: still have my health cat. I have some older cars

623
00:31:10,998 --> 00:31:13,438
Speaker 2: that I like to drive, but I do. I do

624
00:31:14,718 --> 00:31:17,878
Speaker 2: like the big vehicle. I got a Tahoe and there's

625
00:31:17,918 --> 00:31:20,958
Speaker 2: a new addition to the family. I just purchased a

626
00:31:21,038 --> 00:31:25,718
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven jeep. It's a convert's a bruiser conversion,

627
00:31:26,238 --> 00:31:28,438
Speaker 2: and it's got an LS engine in a brother and

628
00:31:28,598 --> 00:31:31,478
Speaker 2: some data axles on it. This thing is unbelievable. I

629
00:31:31,518 --> 00:31:33,078
Speaker 2: had to do it. I didn't want to do it.

630
00:31:33,078 --> 00:31:35,798
Speaker 2: I just had to do it. It's as beefy as it gets,

631
00:31:36,478 --> 00:31:39,798
Speaker 2: and so I just added that to my stable. I

632
00:31:39,838 --> 00:31:41,918
Speaker 2: just had to do it. That's I hope that doesn't

633
00:31:41,958 --> 00:31:44,318
Speaker 2: sound pretentious. But yeah, But let me tell you one thing,

634
00:31:44,358 --> 00:31:48,598
Speaker 2: and I don't understand this completely. My Tahoe is a

635
00:31:48,638 --> 00:31:51,918
Speaker 2: flex fuel vehicle. And we're talking about the cost of fuel.

636
00:31:52,278 --> 00:31:55,078
Speaker 2: My mechanic was wonderful. Mark up at Loser and Tire

637
00:31:55,118 --> 00:31:59,838
Speaker 2: here it's warned me that the that fuel the eighty

638
00:31:59,878 --> 00:32:03,038
Speaker 2: five fuel less, you get less mileage and possibly not

639
00:32:03,078 --> 00:32:04,838
Speaker 2: as good a performance. But but I'm going to tell

640
00:32:04,838 --> 00:32:06,998
Speaker 2: you this Tahoe. I've driven it up and down the

641
00:32:06,998 --> 00:32:08,838
Speaker 2: coast on how many times I run it on this

642
00:32:08,998 --> 00:32:11,358
Speaker 2: flex field and it runs beautifully. And that's why I'm paying.

643
00:32:11,398 --> 00:32:13,718
Speaker 2: Like I go down to Florida, I drive it down

644
00:32:13,758 --> 00:32:15,398
Speaker 2: not long ago, and I'm paying like two to fifty

645
00:32:15,398 --> 00:32:17,518
Speaker 2: a gallon twenty and fifty cents a gallon. And I

646
00:32:17,558 --> 00:32:19,438
Speaker 2: know this is stuff made from corn et cetera. But

647
00:32:19,758 --> 00:32:22,878
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering. I was wondering why there's not other

648
00:32:22,958 --> 00:32:25,238
Speaker 2: than the fact that it's going to interfere with the

649
00:32:25,278 --> 00:32:28,758
Speaker 2: gas industry, the petro industry, why it's not done more

650
00:32:28,758 --> 00:32:32,158
Speaker 2: often because nobody talks about the flex field, about evs,

651
00:32:32,278 --> 00:32:35,358
Speaker 2: talking about you know, just regular gas vehicles. But I'm

652
00:32:35,358 --> 00:32:37,318
Speaker 2: here to tell you man, as a family car, that

653
00:32:37,318 --> 00:32:40,998
Speaker 2: that Taho runs great on the eighty five fuel and

654
00:32:41,038 --> 00:32:44,438
Speaker 2: I'm paying almost anywhere from fifty to seventy five cents

655
00:32:44,518 --> 00:32:46,998
Speaker 2: less a gallon going up and down the East Coast.

656
00:32:46,998 --> 00:32:49,278
Speaker 2: So that's that's one thing I'm not really sure. And

657
00:32:49,358 --> 00:32:51,918
Speaker 2: understand you read different things, but again it's listen, I've

658
00:32:51,918 --> 00:32:54,438
Speaker 2: been trained to not believe everything I read, and you

659
00:32:54,558 --> 00:32:58,398
Speaker 2: know that there's different forces behind writing different articles trying

660
00:32:58,398 --> 00:32:59,958
Speaker 2: to steer you away from one end to the other.

661
00:32:59,958 --> 00:33:04,958
Speaker 2: The TV thing, God, it's so unattractive. You can't go anywhere.

662
00:33:04,998 --> 00:33:07,358
Speaker 2: I mean what I've concluded that if you want to

663
00:33:07,358 --> 00:33:09,718
Speaker 2: buy an EV, fine, that's your city car. If you

664
00:33:09,758 --> 00:33:12,158
Speaker 2: want something just to tote around the city, and you

665
00:33:12,158 --> 00:33:14,038
Speaker 2: can plug it in at night, beautiful. That's going to

666
00:33:14,118 --> 00:33:14,478
Speaker 2: save you.

667
00:33:14,438 --> 00:33:17,238
Speaker 1: That way most people drive, Joe, most people are not

668
00:33:17,318 --> 00:33:18,478
Speaker 1: driving five hundred miles.

669
00:33:18,518 --> 00:33:21,398
Speaker 2: You're right, You're right, and that's probably there's benefits with that.

670
00:33:21,478 --> 00:33:24,078
Speaker 2: I can't disagree with that. But if you're going to

671
00:33:24,158 --> 00:33:27,038
Speaker 2: go somewhere that which probably you can create a boom

672
00:33:27,038 --> 00:33:28,918
Speaker 2: with the rental car industry because if I'm going to

673
00:33:28,998 --> 00:33:31,638
Speaker 2: drive five six hundred miles each way, I'm going to

674
00:33:31,718 --> 00:33:33,998
Speaker 2: have to go to like Hurts or Enterprise and gets

675
00:33:34,038 --> 00:33:35,558
Speaker 2: something for a couple of days or a week or

676
00:33:35,558 --> 00:33:38,238
Speaker 2: two that I could drive and stop at a gas station.

677
00:33:38,398 --> 00:33:40,758
Speaker 2: So maybe you know, we don't talk enough about how

678
00:33:40,798 --> 00:33:43,078
Speaker 2: to morph both into our life. But the one thing,

679
00:33:43,518 --> 00:33:46,438
Speaker 2: the flex fuel vehicle, I need more information why they're

680
00:33:46,478 --> 00:33:48,678
Speaker 2: considered so bad and nobody's making them.

681
00:33:49,078 --> 00:33:51,598
Speaker 1: Yeah, the EV industry has done a really poor job

682
00:33:51,638 --> 00:33:54,478
Speaker 1: getting people to get over this range anxiety. And you

683
00:33:54,558 --> 00:33:56,638
Speaker 1: kind of hit it on there that you know, everybody's

684
00:33:56,638 --> 00:34:00,918
Speaker 1: worried about getting stuck right and it generally, you know,

685
00:34:01,078 --> 00:34:03,278
Speaker 1: it's I'm not saying it's not a factor, but it

686
00:34:03,278 --> 00:34:04,998
Speaker 1: does stop a lot of people. And that's why the

687
00:34:05,118 --> 00:34:07,838
Speaker 1: hybrid versions where it's you know, a plug in hybrid,

688
00:34:07,838 --> 00:34:10,478
Speaker 1: it's got gas engine and EV is really taken off.

689
00:34:10,758 --> 00:34:13,558
Speaker 1: But the EV industry really has not taken off. I

690
00:34:13,558 --> 00:34:16,318
Speaker 1: mean we're many years into development of these and now.

691
00:34:16,718 --> 00:34:20,478
Speaker 1: Actually Tesla this year their sales dropped for the first

692
00:34:20,478 --> 00:34:22,398
Speaker 1: time in twelve years now. A lot of that has

693
00:34:22,478 --> 00:34:25,278
Speaker 1: to do with what's going on internationally and the Chinese

694
00:34:25,278 --> 00:34:27,678
Speaker 1: making a lot of strides forward in their EV development.

695
00:34:27,798 --> 00:34:31,398
Speaker 1: But yeah, Tesla actually sold fewer cars this year the

696
00:34:31,438 --> 00:34:35,558
Speaker 1: first time in their history. So it has not taken off.

697
00:34:35,638 --> 00:34:37,758
Speaker 1: Usually you get to a point where you get past

698
00:34:37,878 --> 00:34:41,078
Speaker 1: five to ten percent of market share and then I'll

699
00:34:41,118 --> 00:34:43,958
Speaker 1: start taking off like a hockey stick. We have not

700
00:34:44,118 --> 00:34:45,598
Speaker 1: had that growth with EV's.

701
00:34:46,438 --> 00:34:47,918
Speaker 2: I think they have to get into style a little

702
00:34:47,918 --> 00:34:50,318
Speaker 2: bit better, do you tell Terryan? Look, I mean the

703
00:34:50,358 --> 00:34:54,118
Speaker 2: Volkswagen Beetle is as cool in nineteen thirties as it

704
00:34:54,158 --> 00:34:56,798
Speaker 2: is today in regards to the look, or not quite.

705
00:34:56,798 --> 00:34:58,918
Speaker 2: But the kind of this group. I mean, I drive

706
00:34:58,958 --> 00:35:01,238
Speaker 2: by a test and I say to myself, why, I mean,

707
00:35:01,358 --> 00:35:03,558
Speaker 2: I haven't sad a one, so I can't. I know

708
00:35:03,598 --> 00:35:06,598
Speaker 2: they're lightning fast, which is always appealing to me, but

709
00:35:06,758 --> 00:35:08,998
Speaker 2: just the look I mean to me my carb. Like

710
00:35:09,038 --> 00:35:11,478
Speaker 2: I said, this jeep that I just purchased, it's pretty hot.

711
00:35:12,078 --> 00:35:14,678
Speaker 2: I mean it's the rescue green, my favorite color of

712
00:35:14,718 --> 00:35:17,598
Speaker 2: a jeep, and it's beefy with this big old tires.

713
00:35:17,598 --> 00:35:19,598
Speaker 2: And brother, you got to work to get into this thing.

714
00:35:19,758 --> 00:35:22,318
Speaker 2: I'm like doing a lot of leg weights and arm

715
00:35:22,678 --> 00:35:24,078
Speaker 2: kind of things just to get in and out of

716
00:35:24,078 --> 00:35:27,278
Speaker 2: this thing. But the look matters to It's always mattered

717
00:35:27,278 --> 00:35:29,518
Speaker 2: to me. Maybe it's part of what people are saying

718
00:35:29,558 --> 00:35:31,398
Speaker 2: now or not saying, is the fact that if they do,

719
00:35:31,518 --> 00:35:33,278
Speaker 2: like could, if they could develop a little bit more

720
00:35:33,318 --> 00:35:36,158
Speaker 2: style with their body, My god, it's it's awful. I

721
00:35:36,158 --> 00:35:38,478
Speaker 2: don't like looking at them. I think they they're terrible looking.

722
00:35:38,518 --> 00:35:41,238
Speaker 2: I don't even know how well efficient they are, but

723
00:35:41,278 --> 00:35:43,518
Speaker 2: I think that would be part of the issue. If

724
00:35:43,558 --> 00:35:47,078
Speaker 2: they're developing them. You know, they're they're with the the

725
00:35:47,078 --> 00:35:49,758
Speaker 2: their version of the suv what do they call it,

726
00:35:49,798 --> 00:35:54,278
Speaker 2: the cyber whatever. It's awful looking. It's not it's not futuristic.

727
00:35:54,318 --> 00:35:57,198
Speaker 2: It's just awful. And so they've they've done a bad

728
00:35:57,318 --> 00:36:00,358
Speaker 2: job presenting the look because I don't know that it's

729
00:36:00,358 --> 00:36:04,518
Speaker 2: important to them. They're more into function than but this

730
00:36:04,558 --> 00:36:07,278
Speaker 2: is something for your I still think the American people

731
00:36:07,358 --> 00:36:11,918
Speaker 2: like both function and style regarding what they drive. Colors

732
00:36:11,958 --> 00:36:15,038
Speaker 2: are important, their colors are very bland. All these things matter,

733
00:36:15,198 --> 00:36:17,238
Speaker 2: So I think part of their declient has to be

734
00:36:17,558 --> 00:36:19,118
Speaker 2: have something to do with just the way they look

735
00:36:19,718 --> 00:36:23,278
Speaker 2: beyond how they perform. And I don't know, I just

736
00:36:23,678 --> 00:36:26,998
Speaker 2: I'm not into But again I agree if I do

737
00:36:27,078 --> 00:36:28,998
Speaker 2: a lot of city driving, which I don't, but if

738
00:36:28,998 --> 00:36:30,878
Speaker 2: I did, that would become attractive.

739
00:36:31,278 --> 00:36:34,238
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're right on design, because let's face it,

740
00:36:34,318 --> 00:36:39,118
Speaker 1: most of these companies, the evs, especially Tesla, they're not designers.

741
00:36:39,158 --> 00:36:41,838
Speaker 1: They're software companies or software companies that actually they are

742
00:36:41,878 --> 00:36:44,798
Speaker 1: making cars. So they really licked that side of it.

743
00:36:44,878 --> 00:36:47,438
Speaker 1: They've got the software down and a lot of the

744
00:36:47,478 --> 00:36:51,878
Speaker 1: old school car companies have struggled getting the software right.

745
00:36:52,478 --> 00:36:54,878
Speaker 1: They started from scratch on software as a software company,

746
00:36:54,958 --> 00:36:57,718
Speaker 1: so they got that right. But I'm with you on design.

747
00:36:57,958 --> 00:37:00,918
Speaker 1: They should look much cooler. If you're driving an EV,

748
00:37:01,078 --> 00:37:04,918
Speaker 1: it should look cool. It should not be boring at all.

749
00:37:05,118 --> 00:37:06,598
Speaker 1: State of the art should look cool.

750
00:37:07,678 --> 00:37:10,118
Speaker 2: I agree. I mean that really that's what one of

751
00:37:10,158 --> 00:37:13,318
Speaker 2: the things that really drives me away. It's just it's

752
00:37:13,798 --> 00:37:16,998
Speaker 2: you know, there's a certain mindset that, like we've talked

753
00:37:16,998 --> 00:37:19,758
Speaker 2: about this the sameness, it's it's okay to be the same,

754
00:37:19,798 --> 00:37:21,318
Speaker 2: and everybody desires to be the same. They want to

755
00:37:21,358 --> 00:37:23,798
Speaker 2: look the same, want to drive these really boring things

756
00:37:23,798 --> 00:37:26,118
Speaker 2: that that that react the same. Everything's the same.

757
00:37:26,918 --> 00:37:27,118
Speaker 1: Uh.

758
00:37:27,198 --> 00:37:30,238
Speaker 2: The want or need or the desire is to I'm

759
00:37:30,278 --> 00:37:32,838
Speaker 2: not just saying just to stand out, but just because

760
00:37:32,918 --> 00:37:36,278
Speaker 2: it just fits your personality. But maybe the personalities are

761
00:37:36,278 --> 00:37:40,878
Speaker 2: being just so developed into this blase looking great that

762
00:37:40,958 --> 00:37:44,478
Speaker 2: nobody's really concerned about this stuff. But I hopefully what's

763
00:37:44,518 --> 00:37:48,038
Speaker 2: happening there. Part of the problem is that that with

764
00:37:48,118 --> 00:37:50,398
Speaker 2: the way we're trending right now, maybe we're going to

765
00:37:50,798 --> 00:37:53,238
Speaker 2: understand that style doesn't matter too. I listen, I'm a

766
00:37:53,238 --> 00:37:55,838
Speaker 2: substance guy. I have to believe that. But there's nothing

767
00:37:56,478 --> 00:38:00,278
Speaker 2: I do. I do appreciate the style component, whether it's

768
00:38:00,318 --> 00:38:03,278
Speaker 2: the way you dress, the whether which you drive your house,

769
00:38:03,318 --> 00:38:05,558
Speaker 2: the little new once within your home. I'm looking at

770
00:38:05,558 --> 00:38:08,238
Speaker 2: my Chicago Cubs pinball machine as I'm talking to you

771
00:38:08,358 --> 00:38:10,078
Speaker 2: right now in my living room. I mean, stuff like

772
00:38:10,118 --> 00:38:10,718
Speaker 2: that matters.

773
00:38:11,158 --> 00:38:14,438
Speaker 1: By the way, if I can back up rescue green now,

774
00:38:14,518 --> 00:38:16,958
Speaker 1: is that a military green or is that like some

775
00:38:17,038 --> 00:38:18,958
Speaker 1: fire trucks or like the color of a tennis ball.

776
00:38:19,078 --> 00:38:22,358
Speaker 2: It's a yellow green. Yeah, it's really cool. Man. When

777
00:38:22,358 --> 00:38:23,878
Speaker 2: they came out, I can't remember the other they came

778
00:38:23,918 --> 00:38:26,158
Speaker 2: out with it, but the moment I saw it, whoa,

779
00:38:26,198 --> 00:38:27,918
Speaker 2: I wanted one, but I you know, I didn't need

780
00:38:27,958 --> 00:38:29,638
Speaker 2: once I got away, I don't need this one either.

781
00:38:30,078 --> 00:38:32,598
Speaker 2: But when you get a two thousand and seven read

782
00:38:32,678 --> 00:38:35,598
Speaker 2: done with the Bruiser conversion kit, like I said, with

783
00:38:35,638 --> 00:38:38,678
Speaker 2: an LS three engine. I mean I got in there

784
00:38:38,718 --> 00:38:40,918
Speaker 2: for the first time in testrov it and it it's

785
00:38:40,958 --> 00:38:42,878
Speaker 2: not my health cap, but it's not far behind it.

786
00:38:42,958 --> 00:38:45,798
Speaker 2: And it's a jeep. And then the axles that they

787
00:38:45,878 --> 00:38:47,398
Speaker 2: put on it. This thing could just you know, climb

788
00:38:47,478 --> 00:38:50,038
Speaker 2: up the side of a hill no problem. But it

789
00:38:50,158 --> 00:38:54,318
Speaker 2: rides well, could sound the upgraded sound system, everything's been upgraded, transmission,

790
00:38:54,438 --> 00:38:57,878
Speaker 2: everything's been upgraded. So I'm just this is a keeper, man.

791
00:38:57,918 --> 00:38:59,878
Speaker 2: This is this is what I consider a keeper. This

792
00:38:59,958 --> 00:39:02,638
Speaker 2: is not something that you trade in. It's something you

793
00:39:02,678 --> 00:39:03,198
Speaker 2: put in the will.

794
00:39:03,398 --> 00:39:05,718
Speaker 1: You're taking that car out in the snow of the Poconas.

795
00:39:06,238 --> 00:39:10,078
Speaker 2: It's still in Florida. But I say, you what next winter,

796
00:39:10,198 --> 00:39:11,838
Speaker 2: it's going to get some action up here.

797
00:39:13,438 --> 00:39:15,518
Speaker 1: Well, Joe, this is where we come to the point

798
00:39:15,598 --> 00:39:17,678
Speaker 1: in our show each time where you take us to

799
00:39:17,718 --> 00:39:20,838
Speaker 1: the finish line with some words of wisdom. We've been

800
00:39:20,878 --> 00:39:22,878
Speaker 1: all over the map today, which is how we'd love

801
00:39:22,918 --> 00:39:25,078
Speaker 1: to do this podcast. So what do you got to

802
00:39:25,078 --> 00:39:25,958
Speaker 1: close it out today?

803
00:39:26,358 --> 00:39:31,518
Speaker 2: Wow? Just based on this last segment with the vehicles

804
00:39:31,518 --> 00:39:34,558
Speaker 2: and me going on and on about you know, colors

805
00:39:34,558 --> 00:39:41,318
Speaker 2: and style whatever substance. This comes from Robin CHARMI. I

806
00:39:41,318 --> 00:39:44,238
Speaker 2: know you've probably heard this, but I love this. Don't

807
00:39:44,238 --> 00:39:46,518
Speaker 2: live the same year seventy five times and call it

808
00:39:46,518 --> 00:39:50,958
Speaker 2: a life. Really it works? And then and then I

809
00:39:51,118 --> 00:39:54,838
Speaker 2: just simply I had to go to the Rolling Stones

810
00:39:55,638 --> 00:39:58,678
Speaker 2: and our boy, you can't always get what you want,

811
00:39:58,758 --> 00:40:02,438
Speaker 2: but if you try, sometimes you get what you need. Right,

812
00:40:02,718 --> 00:40:07,198
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's so, it's so absolutely true. So yeah,

813
00:40:07,318 --> 00:40:09,878
Speaker 2: don't live the same year over and over again and

814
00:40:09,918 --> 00:40:14,798
Speaker 2: call it a life, and just keep keep working at it. Man,

815
00:40:14,998 --> 00:40:18,518
Speaker 2: It's not always it's not always an oil painting, and

816
00:40:18,558 --> 00:40:21,478
Speaker 2: sometimes thank God for an answered prayers. But if you

817
00:40:21,598 --> 00:40:26,398
Speaker 2: keep fighting, eventually you get what you need. And I

818
00:40:26,438 --> 00:40:28,478
Speaker 2: can't see that I need that cheap, but I definitely

819
00:40:28,518 --> 00:40:29,158
Speaker 2: want attention.

820
00:40:30,598 --> 00:40:33,358
Speaker 1: Great words, great tune. Absolutely, I love it. That's a

821
00:40:33,398 --> 00:40:35,238
Speaker 1: perfect way to end it. Put a bow on it.

822
00:40:35,478 --> 00:40:37,638
Speaker 1: Happy New Year, Joe. We'll see you next time on

823
00:40:37,678 --> 00:40:38,318
Speaker 1: the Book of Joe.

824
00:40:38,438 --> 00:40:39,718
Speaker 2: You two brothers, talk to you soon.

825
00:40:47,158 --> 00:40:50,358
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