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Speaker 1: The One Bill's Live presented by Callida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, good afternoon, everybody. Chris Brown, Chris Drapasso with

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Speaker 2: you here on a radio only version of One Bill's

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Speaker 2: Live and a day away from Bill's mandatory mini camp,

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Speaker 2: which we'll get going in earnest tomorrow afternoon. Practice scheduled

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Speaker 2: to begin just before we go on the air on Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: when we are back to full bore radio and television side.

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Speaker 2: But Chris and I carrying you through till three this

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Speaker 2: afternoon as we kind of wait in anticipation to some

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Speaker 2: degree for mandatory mini camp. And I guess one of

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Speaker 2: the only names that we're expecting to see on Tuesday

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Speaker 2: who we haven't seen for the bulk of the off

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Speaker 2: season voluntary workouts is one Rasul Douglas, who's anticipated anyway

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Speaker 2: to be rejoining the team in earnest. Here going forward,

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Speaker 2: Chris and I have a lot to discuss with you today.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into the topic of discussion in just a

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Speaker 2: little bit. But it was an interesting weekend Chris. For

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Speaker 2: Football News, we had a retirement in there. We have

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Speaker 2: people speculating about veterans with contract disputes and whether or

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Speaker 2: not they'll come to Mini camp this week, as there

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Speaker 2: are some teams already underway today, but the bulk of

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Speaker 2: the league, along with the Bills, gets underway tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, And it's interesting for me and I think

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Speaker 3: for all of listeners' viewers, because this is a Bills

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Speaker 3: team that doesn't have as much retention as they've had

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Speaker 3: in the past. So going into a mandatory mini camp

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Speaker 3: over the last couple of years, it was really nothing

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Speaker 3: at linebacker, at corner, at safety certainly with Jordan Poyer,

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Speaker 3: Micah Hyde, a lot of the same pieces on the

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Speaker 3: offensive side. That's just not the case this year on

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Speaker 3: not going to get a ton from mandatory mini camp,

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Speaker 3: it will be interesting to see when you guys are

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Speaker 3: able to watch what goes on, if there are any

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Speaker 3: developments that kind of pop up specific players or specific

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Speaker 3: position battles, if they really start to get interesting during

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no question about it. As we mentioned, there is

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Speaker 2: NFL news to discuss, is that it seems to always

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Speaker 2: be the case. It is a year round entity, as

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Speaker 2: we well know and you probably know as well. And

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Speaker 2: we go around the NFL now, which is presented by

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Speaker 2: Kalida Health, the official healthcare provider of the Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 2: and we begin in the AFC East with the Jets

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Speaker 2: as the name that is drawing the headlines down New

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Speaker 2: York City Way is Hassan Reddick, the pass rusher that

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Speaker 2: the Jets acquired this offseason in a really bizarre decision

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Speaker 2: making process as far as I'm concerned, Chris, because they

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Speaker 2: decide not to pay Bryce Huff, who I think was

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Speaker 2: a very good situational pass rusher for them and entering

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Speaker 2: the prime of his career, and instead they acquire Hassan

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Speaker 2: Reddick via trade from the Eagles, who ironically enough, signed

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Speaker 2: Bryce Huff in free agency. So they take a player

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Speaker 2: who's three years older, and they end up taking on

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Speaker 2: I believe, in the end more in average annual salary

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Speaker 2: for a more veteran player, when they had a pretty

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Speaker 2: just had to sign him to a new deal. And

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe they thought they could get Hassan

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Speaker 2: I think they inherited a similar problem here and it's

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Speaker 2: is that going to prompt a holdout or a hold

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris, I completely agree with you on this. I

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Speaker 3: don't understand what the Jets we're thinking here because Bryce

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Speaker 3: Huff I mean, if you're looking from a Bills perspective,

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Speaker 3: he was the player that beat Spencer Brown around the

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Speaker 3: but so productive in that role. And it's kind of

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Speaker 3: the prime example of if you make a trade for

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Speaker 3: still without that new deal that he wants. What's so

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Speaker 3: weird about this too, is Hassan Reddick deal has fourteen

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Speaker 3: So that's probably right around what Hassan Reddick wants. So

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Speaker 3: it's just a weird situation. The Jets would have been

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Speaker 3: the fact too that the Jets had this former undrafted

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Speaker 3: But they drafted Jermaine Johnson, who did play better last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, we hear Brandon Bean say at all time.

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Speaker 2: He says, you can never have enough pass rushers. Sure,

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Speaker 2: and this is a guy that wasn't going to kill

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Speaker 2: only that, like you successfully groomed an undrafted talent to

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Speaker 2: I don't know, mess it up. And look, maybe Hassan

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Speaker 2: Reddick has a fourteen sax season this year and all

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Speaker 2: more than you could have paid Huff. And I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's it's just bizarre to me, but I guess it's

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Speaker 2: just another notch in the belt of curious Jets' decisions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. And the one thing too, they had

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Speaker 3: that didn't ultimately happen. So it's weird that they spent

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Speaker 3: last year just in terms of generating pressure, he generated

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Speaker 3: one more pressure than Brycehoff on over two hundred more

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Speaker 3: of his career, he is one that I think really

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Speaker 3: any team would have paid him three years fifty one

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Speaker 3: scratching decision. And now the Jets are kind of in

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Speaker 3: then what happens when he's away from the team for

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Speaker 3: six weeks? Does he report to training camp? And is

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Speaker 3: there a you know, kind of old fashioned holdout that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just so everybody knows, it would be a one

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Speaker 2: Maybe he's just playing koy in not answering the question

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he buried the lead. It was about nine minutes

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Speaker 2: It just struck me as bizarre. And then he said

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Speaker 2: all he remembers is them putting an oxygen mask on

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Speaker 2: But the worst part is he doesn't tell us what

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Speaker 2: he was diagnosed with in this near death experience. I'm

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Speaker 2: just like, dude, like, first of all, you wait nine

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Speaker 2: us what it was. I was. I was like, this

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Speaker 2: priorities are clearly here, there, and everywhere.

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Speaker 3: Props to you for watching that entire video, by the way,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like the seventeen minute thing that he put on YouTube,

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Speaker 3: And I forgot too. I'm just looking at his background

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Speaker 2: Just I gotta believe it. He's going to be up

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's certainly well deserved for Tom Brady, and two

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Speaker 3: And that's exactly what the Patriots are doing now. They're like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I did see that Drake May moved up

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Speaker 2: So we'll see where it goes. I don't think anything

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Speaker 3: this pre draft process, I didn't think he was much

431
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Speaker 3: behind Caleb Williams. I did, certainly, and it kind of

432
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Speaker 3: felt like the consensus that he was a little bit

433
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Speaker 3: of a raw quarterback, that he can make some bad

434
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Speaker 3: decisions here or there. And Jacoby Brissette is like the

435
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Speaker 3: classic stop gap, bridge starter, whatever you want to call him,

436
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Speaker 3: and he has the experience in Cleveland with Alex van Pelt.

437
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Speaker 3: So for as much as in this day and age,

438
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Speaker 3: I feel like teams should just get the rookie out

439
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Speaker 3: there and let him play. That's one interesting quarterback battleslash

440
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Speaker 3: situation that I think is really worth monitoring, Like you're

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Speaker 3: saying Chris starting in training camp in the preseason, because

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Speaker 3: I don't think Drake May is just going to be

443
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Speaker 3: handed that job for week one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and with a defense that I think the Patriots

445
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Speaker 2: believe can be better than people think.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

447
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Speaker 2: I think they're believing, Hey, look, if we can just

448
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Speaker 2: have Reset kind of manage the offense for us, get

449
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Speaker 2: us seventeen to twenty points, we got a good chance

450
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Speaker 2: of winning half our games because we think our defense

451
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Speaker 2: can be that good. That remains to be seen, but

452
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Speaker 2: I think they really believe They've got a good young

453
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Speaker 2: core there that nobody knows about. I think they're going

454
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Speaker 2: to be a little bit tougher out than we've seen

455
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Speaker 2: the past couple of years, not just for the Bills,

456
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Speaker 2: but certainly for some more middle of the road team.

457
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Speaker 2: So just something to keep an eye on as we

458
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Speaker 2: get deeper into the summer. Last thing here, free agent

459
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Speaker 2: wide receiver Robbie Chosen formerly Robbie Anderson, is going to

460
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Speaker 2: be at Seahawks mini camp this week on a tryout basis.

461
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Speaker 2: Last with Miami. I want to say, right last year,

462
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Speaker 2: he was with Miami Carolina.

463
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Speaker 3: Before that, Jets obviously started his.

464
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Speaker 2: Career really really bounced around the last season and a half.

465
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Speaker 2: I know he got into it with former Panthers head

466
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Speaker 2: coach Matt Ruhle. I think I have that right, found

467
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Speaker 2: his way out of there. So it was just like

468
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Speaker 2: it's been a cavalcade of hits and misses for Robbie Chosen,

469
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Speaker 2: who probably can still play in this league, but I

470
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Speaker 2: just feel like he's it's hard not to think of

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Speaker 2: him as a head case.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and how about the fact that he's had about

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Speaker 3: five different names that he's wanted to be called. I

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Speaker 3: mean you mentioned it here in the rundown. There's a bunch.

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Speaker 3: There's about five different aka's here. He was obviously Robbie Anderson,

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Speaker 3: then he was Robbie Anderson, i E then Chosen Anderson,

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Speaker 3: and now he's Robbie Chosen. So he's asking to be

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Speaker 3: called Robbie Chosen, not his given last name. The one

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Speaker 3: kind of interesting tidbit here is that in twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: with Joe Brady in Carolina, he had ninety five catches

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Speaker 3: for one thousand, ninety six yards and three receiving touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: So after that the Panthers gave him a two year

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Speaker 3: contract extension almost worth thirty million dollars. Since then, all

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Speaker 3: of those kind of off field or on the sideline

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Speaker 3: tirades incidents have kind of occurred, some injuries, but you're

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Speaker 3: probably right he could still play. But I think the

487
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Speaker 3: mental side is holding Robbie Chosen back more than anything else.

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Speaker 3: Although the Seahawks do have kind of a long history

489
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Speaker 3: of I mean, this goes back to the Pete Carroll

490
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Speaker 3: era of giving guys like Jerry Rice and Too and

491
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Speaker 3: Josh Gordon chances to kind of rehabilitate their careers later.

492
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Speaker 3: So we'll see if someone who did prove at one

493
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Speaker 3: time to be a pretty good down the field threat

494
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Speaker 3: can maybe sneak onto that roster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we should mention that. Coming up in the second

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Speaker 2: hour the show today, we got our good friend Trevor

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Speaker 2: Sikima from Pro Football Focus. He'll join us. He's got

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Speaker 2: some interesting lists that he put together at pff di's Well,

499
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Speaker 2: it is right, it is. There's nothing that's really happening

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Speaker 2: on the field. I mean, you got mini camps obviously,

501
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Speaker 2: but you got to get creative this time of year

502
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Speaker 2: and evaluating the Bills off season, among other things. So

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Speaker 2: we'll check in with Trevor in the second hour of

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Speaker 2: the show. Topic of discussion for you today, though, is

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Speaker 2: who has the best chance to parlay mini camp this

506
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Speaker 2: week into a bigger training camp opportunity for the Bills.

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Speaker 2: I think there are some defined candidates here for different reasons,

508
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Speaker 2: but you let us know at the tweets. Sheeet because

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Speaker 2: we are unable to kind of take phone calls from

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Speaker 2: you today because of our radio only perch here. We

511
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Speaker 2: basically have a short stretch every early summer period where

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Speaker 2: our studio is needed for other media purposes by our

513
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Speaker 2: media and content team. So we basically have to move

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Speaker 2: the show out of the studio, and because of that,

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Speaker 2: we are radio only today, and we also can't take

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Speaker 2: phone calls, so we will take your tweets. So if

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Speaker 2: you want to participate, do it at One Bill's Live

518
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Speaker 2: on Twitter and let us know who you think has

519
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Speaker 2: the best chance to parlay mini camp into a bigger

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Speaker 2: training camp opportunity. Chris, after the break, I will ask

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Speaker 2: you for your one or two players that you would

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Speaker 2: put in that category. I've got a couple of thoughts

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Speaker 2: on that as well. As a matter of fact, I

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Speaker 2: think I might even know who you're thinking about already

525
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Speaker 2: based on some of your recent writings at cbssports dot com.

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Speaker 2: But we'll see if I can be a soothsayer on

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Speaker 2: that when we return from break. But happy to take

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Speaker 2: your tweets this afternoon as to who has the best

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Speaker 2: chance to parlay mini camp into a bigger training camp

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Speaker 2: opportunity for the Buffalo Bills. Chris and I take a

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Speaker 2: break here, but we'll take your tweets when we return

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Speaker 2: here on One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health, it's

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, Welcome back to One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Rob Chris Trapasso with you here on a Monday day

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Speaker 2: before three day mandatory mini camp begins for the Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 2: and that is our topic of discussion today. We're asking

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Speaker 2: you who you think has the best chance to parlay

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Speaker 2: mini camp into a better training camp opportunity. I've got

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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, Chris, but I've got let

540
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Speaker 2: me see here, one, two, three. I picked four guys

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Speaker 2: that I thought would be prime candidates for something like this.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious to see if any of our choices overlap.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many you have. How many did

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Speaker 2: you come out?

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Speaker 3: I also had four, and I don't know if we'll

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Speaker 3: have the same four, but I bet a few will overlap.

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Speaker 2: Okay, uh, why don't you lay him on me? Here?

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Speaker 2: Give me, Give me your guys and tell me why.

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Speaker 3: Okay. I will first go with the one that we've

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Speaker 3: been talking about for weeks, Chase Claypool, because during what

551
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Speaker 3: you guys were able to witness during OTAs you know,

552
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Speaker 3: oh hey, there was only one big play from the offense,

553
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Speaker 3: and it was Chase Claypool making a catch on a

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Speaker 3: throw from Mitch Rubisky or Josh Allen. I just want

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Speaker 3: to see if he can continue that kind of momentum

556
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Speaker 3: that he might have going into even mandatory mini camp

557
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Speaker 3: to be that wide receiver four or five, the special

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Speaker 3: teams guy. So he's my first pick. I think Andy

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Speaker 3: Isabella because of the return differences that we're just gonna

560
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Speaker 3: see more action on those kick returns. I mean, they

561
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Speaker 3: used him back there last year, but maybe he can

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Speaker 3: be someone that. I mean, I don't know how how

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Speaker 3: close to the real thing the kickoffs are going to

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Speaker 3: be during mandatory minicamp, but I'm assuming the coaches will

565
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Speaker 3: want to rep that as real as possible because it

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Speaker 3: is so new. Beyond that, I'll go Dorian Williams just

567
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Speaker 3: because we don't know where Matt Milano is in terms

568
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Speaker 3: of his rehab. I know the injury happened in October,

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Speaker 3: but we know from just everything that the Sean McDermott

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Speaker 3: era has been about with injuries, they like to kind

571
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Speaker 3: of take things longer than try to rush guys back

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Speaker 3: onto the field. I loved Dorian Williams coming out of

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Speaker 3: Tulane last year, and I think when he can just

574
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Speaker 3: see the ball and get the ball, the speed, the range,

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Speaker 3: the just ferocious nature really comes out with him, and

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Speaker 3: I think Dwayne Carter, the rookie from Duke, because he's

577
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Speaker 3: someone that was just a really good three down player

578
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Speaker 3: at Duke generated a pressure almost ten percent of his

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Speaker 3: pass rushing snaps the last two seasons for the Blue Devils,

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Speaker 3: and anything close to ten percent in college in terms

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Speaker 3: of a pressure creation rate at defensive tackle is pretty good.

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Speaker 3: I love that he's just NonStop motor. He kind of

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Speaker 3: feels like that player who would be really good in

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Speaker 3: practice just because he's going one hundred miles per hour

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Speaker 3: every snap. And I long thought that the Bills needed

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Speaker 3: another up the field pass rusher behind or even next

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Speaker 3: to at Oliver on the defensive line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we've got a couple of similarities here. I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you about the ones that we both had. First,

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Speaker 2: I had Dorian Williams as well, just because with Milano

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Speaker 2: still working back from injury, Williams is getting a lot

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Speaker 2: more time on the field. I mean, he's just getting

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Speaker 2: more reps through the whole spring, and I think very

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Speaker 2: quietly down the stretch last year, with Milano out for

595
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Speaker 2: the season and then mixing and matching different packages and such,

596
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Speaker 2: Williams got time on the field and then when Dodson

597
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Speaker 2: had the injury in the Miami game in Week eighteen,

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Speaker 2: and then you had Bernard go out. You saw a

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Speaker 2: lot more of Dorian Williams in the playoffs, and he

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Speaker 2: popped out more than just a flash here or there.

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Speaker 2: There would be a handful of play notable plays where

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Speaker 2: you would see Dorian Williams show up, whether it was

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Speaker 2: a third down stop to force a punt, you know,

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Speaker 2: a tackle for loss. I just I felt like he

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Speaker 2: was coming on and if the Bills could have stayed

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs longer, I was just getting the sense

607
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Speaker 2: that we were going to see more and more from

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Speaker 2: him in terms of playmaking ability as the season ended.

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Speaker 2: It was just a shame that the playoff run ended

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Speaker 2: because I thought he was just hitting his stride in

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Speaker 2: terms of giving them more. And I think his film

612
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Speaker 2: at the end of the year is going to convince

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Speaker 2: this coaching staff, hey, let's just keep giving him looks

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Speaker 2: and see how much he can continue to grow. It's

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Speaker 2: a heck of a an intriguing option for them, especially

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Speaker 2: even if they get to training camp and Milano is

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Speaker 2: still limited, like maybe he's on the field, but they're

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Speaker 2: they've got him on a pitch count, so to speak.

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Speaker 2: If that happens, I think Dorian Williams is a direct beneficiary.

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Speaker 2: So I agree with you on that one. I also

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Speaker 2: had Dwayne Carter, and I can't remember if I've done

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Speaker 2: enough shows with you here in the spring as to

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Speaker 2: whether or not I mentioned this to you. I mentioned

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Speaker 2: it to somebody. But and this is probably because Brandon

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Speaker 2: Bean mentioned him in the same way right after drafting him.

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Speaker 2: But I'm getting a lot of Kyle Williams vibes from Dwayne.

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Speaker 2: I can see that super duper practice player, understands the

628
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: game overachiever in an advanced football IQ way for a rookie.

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Speaker 2: That was Kyle through and through his first year in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and five so or two thousand and six.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, there's there's just something about him

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Speaker 2: where I'm getting, you know, Kyle Williams vibes from him

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Speaker 2: as a rookie. And then you think about the departures

634
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Speaker 2: of Jordan Phillips, Whon, Afford Linvaal Joseph, I realize you

635
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: have Austin Johnson who's probably gonna be Dae Kwon's rotational backup,

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Speaker 2: you know at the one, but behind at Oliver. It's

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Speaker 2: kind of a mixed bag right now, and I think

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Speaker 2: that's a job that can be seized. And right now

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00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: my money's on Carter based on early returns. I realize

640
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Speaker 2: they're not in pads yet. We're talking about a line position,

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00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: and pads matter, but I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 2: I just don't see much changing there with what we

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Speaker 2: should expect from Carter. The other guys I had Curtis Samuel.

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Speaker 2: Obviously we know that after Khalil Shakir, the receiver position

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Speaker 2: is a jumble. But if there's someone that has an

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Speaker 2: edge to me, it's Curtis Samuel because of the familiarity

647
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Speaker 2: with Joe Brady and Joe Brady's familiarity with Curtis Samuel.

648
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: When you think about it, you've got a whole bunch

649
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: of guys that Joe Brady is watching practice tape on

650
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: and trying to figure out, within my scheme, what can

651
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: they do, what can't they do? Where do I put

652
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: him in an advantageous position to help us the most?

653
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: He knows that coming in the door with Curtis Samuel,

654
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Speaker 2: I think that puts him at a distinct advantage to

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Speaker 2: if he's able to just remind Joe Brady of his

656
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: playmaking ability within this scheme. I think it's game set

657
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: match for him as far as having a pretty important

658
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: opportunity to maximize his time on the field at the

659
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: receiver position, which as we know, is beyond Shakir a

660
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: veritable unknown in many ways, so I think that gives

661
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: him a leg up. And then the last guy for

662
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: me is Kyrie Elam, who I think, just due to

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Speaker 2: the absence of Rasul Douglas for a majority of these

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Speaker 2: voluntary practices, has a darted him an opportunity similar to

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00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: that of Dorian Williams, a lot more time on the

666
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 2: field with a new staff on the in the secondary.

667
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: You know, I know Mike Dana has been there, but

668
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: you're talking about Jamiladye who's the new Corners coach, and

669
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 2: he's getting long looks at him, and he has some

670
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: familiarity with him based on his coaching background from the

671
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Speaker 2: University of Florida or no, he was at Miami. I'm sorry,

672
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: I don't think there is crossover there between those two previously.

673
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: But in any event, lot more time on the field

674
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Speaker 2: than maybe he would have had if Douglas was there

675
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 2: during the majority of the voluntary workouts. So for that reason,

676
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: I think he's got a chance, even with Douglas expected

677
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: back for the mandatory mini camp, to kind of parlay

678
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Speaker 2: things into a good opportunity for himself in training camp.

679
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 2: So those are the four that I had. But yeah,

680
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: we were two out of four there.

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Speaker 3: On Olden all right, not bad, not bad. But I

682
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 3: would say, like, the one thing that just kind of

683
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 3: stands out to me of what you said in one

684
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Speaker 3: of your selections, wasn't it just like a week or

685
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: two ago when Joe Brady was speaking to the media

686
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 3: that And it's to your point of he's watching other

687
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 3: film or watching the film of other receivers trying to

688
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 3: figure out what they can do what they can't do.

689
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 3: Joe Brady directly mentioned like, oh, you can use Curtis

690
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: Samuel out wide and the slot in the backfield as

691
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 3: a running back on jet sweet. So he already has

692
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Speaker 3: an idea of what Curtis Samuel is capable of in

693
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 3: terms of pre snap alignment and usage to kind of

694
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Speaker 3: be you know, part John Brown, part Cole Beasley, part

695
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 3: Isaiah McKenzie. He already understands that. So I think that's

696
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 3: a really good selection because even in mandatory mini camp

697
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: as they're starting some installs for the regular season, he

698
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: can say, hey, look, let's try to use these different formations,

699
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 3: different alignments, and I know work with Curtis Samuel.

700
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Speaker 2: Here's where it always comes back to with me. When

701
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: it comes to coaches and dealing with new additions to

702
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 2: the roster. The number one thing that coaches want from

703
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: a player is the ability to trust them on the

704
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: field with their assignment, with their execution, whatever it is.

705
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: The reason why is their job is literally riding on

706
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: the player's ability to execute the plays they are calling.

707
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: They want to put guys out there they can trust.

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00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: And to me, that's already a built in component for

709
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: Curtis Samuel. That trust has already been previously established. So

710
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: I think that's a tremendous advantage for him. I think

711
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: he's got to fall flat on his face to not

712
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: have a top three role in the passing game at

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00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: the receiver position for this offense for Curtis Samuel because

714
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Speaker 2: of past history with him and Brady so and look,

715
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Speaker 2: everything we know about samuel Is character is through the

716
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 2: roof work. Ethic is right there with it. So there's

717
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: no reason to even think it could possibly go the

718
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: other way. So I just think that is that's it.

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Speaker 2: That's been a largely unspoken advantage that I think Curtis

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Speaker 2: Samuel has over all the other newcomers to the roster

721
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Speaker 2: at the receiver position.

722
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Speaker 3: And I think too that we are so bullish, rightfully,

723
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: so I think on Khalil Shakir, and it kind of

724
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 3: feels like all of the national media is after leaving

725
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: the league and catch right, we talked about that a lot,

726
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 3: how well he played down the stretch and in the playoffs.

727
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 3: To me, just from watching the film and just remembering

728
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 3: scouting them coming out of Ohio State and Boise State, respectively,

729
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 3: they're kind of similar players, like they can be in

730
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 3: the slot or if you really need to win a pinch,

731
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 3: they can play on the perimeter. They're not super big,

732
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 3: but they have enough quickness to get open. They're not

733
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 3: ridiculous athletes, but Curtis Samuel certainly has some serious speed,

734
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 3: a little bit faster than Khalil Shakir. They're just those

735
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: really movable chess pieces that I think are more valuable

736
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 3: today than they were even five or ten years ago,

737
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: even when Curtis Samuel was coming into the league where

738
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 3: teams didn't really know what to do with him. Now

739
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: it feels like Joe Brady maybe got a taste of

740
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 3: Khalil Shakir and how good the offense can be with

741
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 3: him as kind of a focal point of it. I

742
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: think that, beyond his familiarity and his time spent with

743
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 3: Curtis Samuel, that was maybe part of let's get another

744
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 3: kind of Khalil Shakir type player for this Bill's offense.

745
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why I think those two guys might

746
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: be the two that move around the most for sure,

747
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: good point. As the offensive system unfolds, I think those

748
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 2: guys are going to be depended upon to be the

749
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: most diversatile of the entire receiving course, Samuel and Shakir.

750
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: So we have to take a break here, but when

751
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Speaker 2: we come back, we will get your thoughts on this subject.

752
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: Who has the best chance to parlay mini camp it

753
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: to a better training camp opportunity. We'll get to some

754
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: of your tweets when we return. Here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 2: presented by co Lot of Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 2: Right back here on One Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Chris

757
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: Trpasso with you and question on the table for you today,

758
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: who has the best chance to parlay mini camp this

759
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: week into a better training camp opportunity on this Bill's roster.

760
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: Chris and I kind of gave you our thoughts on

761
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: players that we thought fit that bill. But we're gonna

762
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Speaker 2: Corgan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company of the

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills. Mason leads us off today and he says,

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Speaker 2: Justin Shorter, coming off an injury in a crowded wide

766
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: receiver room about to break out, I would say Shorter

767
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: is an intriguing guy. I don't know, Like it was

768
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: hard for me, Chris to even remember the kind of

769
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: training camp and reseason he had before the injury landed

770
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: him on IR. It seems like an eon ago, and

771
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: it's so for me to accurately remember him and whether

772
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 2: he was consistently making plays, Was he making progress in

773
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: the system, Like it's a blur to me.

774
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were there every day at Saint John Fisher.

775
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: I went, I think three times last year. I don't

776
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: remember Justin Shorter making a huge impact in Rochester, but

777
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 3: I know in the preseason, especially in that game in Pittsburgh,

778
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: made some catches down the field for a couple of shots,

779
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 3: So I think there was some encouragement there, and I

780
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 3: think that's where fans are kind of clinging to that

781
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 3: and they are remembering that, which does feel like about

782
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: ten years ago, but it was less than one year ago.

783
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 3: The one thing that I'll say on this, I don't

784
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: know if he's just prime to break out. You've mentioned it,

785
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: and we all know with Chase Claypool and MVS they've

786
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: signed some other bigger body MATC Collins as well downfield types.

787
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's just aligned to just be

788
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 3: handed that role. But I I always viewed that pick

789
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 3: last year in the fifth round as not that they

790
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 3: were expecting him to come in to be gave Davis

791
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 3: two point zero, but almost as insurance for Gabe Davis

792
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: if either Gabe Davis was disappointing or left in free agency,

793
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 3: and he was kind of both. He was disappointing last year,

794
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 3: leaves in free agency because that's the type of wide

795
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: receiver he is. And I think without seeing these players,

796
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 3: I mean, we have not seen Justin Shorter on the

797
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 3: field in a regular season game. It's kind of hard

798
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: to envision what he could be, but I do think

799
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 3: the Josh Allen kind of elevation effect is real, and

800
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: Justin Shorter does not need to run intricate routes or

801
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 3: be Deebo Samuel after the catch. If he can have

802
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 3: that build up speed deep and make tough catches in traffic,

803
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 3: that's kind of where Gabe Davis was best with the Bills.

804
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 3: So to me, I like those elements of his game

805
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 3: coming out of Florida. And he's bigger than Gabe Davis.

806
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: He has I think little bit more reliable hands, or

807
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 3: at least did in college. So there are some elements

808
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: that certainly make him at least intriguing going into mandatory

809
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: mini camp before training camp.

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00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he is. I don't want to

811
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 2: say he's a mirror image of Gabe Davis, but the

812
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: skill set is somewhat very similar. Build up speed guy,

813
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: and all that stuff that you mentioned is on the money.

814
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 2: So yeah, I with it so crowded. You just hope

815
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: he gets enough opportunities with some guys with similar skill

816
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 2: sets to him. Bill's banter on the tweets sheet, says

817
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: Van pran Granger, if he can show he as an

818
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: NFL caliber center during mini camp. He can take those

819
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: snaps during training camp and Pete McGovern at left guard.

820
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 2: That would be headline news.

821
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Speaker 3: Yes, I was gonna say, what are your thoughts here?

822
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts that would be? That would be

823
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: headline news for my money. And look, I love the

824
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: Van Pray Granger pick in the fifth round. I thought

825
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: he was a steel there too, and I do think

826
00:46:54,200 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: he is an eventual starter for this roster. How quickly

827
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: it comes, I think is the big question here. And

828
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: knowing that you're already making one positional change with this

829
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: in pencil move of McGovern to center and then David

830
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: Edwards into the starting lineup at least for right now,

831
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Speaker 2: you're kind of saying, Okay, two new guys, but two

832
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 2: guys who were both here last year. Edwards was on

833
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: the field a great deal as a sixth offensive lineman

834
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: in certain packages that they ran on offense. So it

835
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 2: would seem that continuity counts for this offensive coaching staff

836
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: up front, and we all understand why. But the only

837
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: thing that trump's that is putting the five best linemen

838
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: on the field. If Van Pran Granger looks better than

839
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: McGovern at center in the opportunities he's afforded. I don't

840
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: think you can rule out McGovern going back to left

841
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: guard and David Edwards going back to a sixth offsive

842
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 2: lineman role. I don't think that's outlandish to think.

843
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I like, I wanted to get your

844
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 3: thoughts in it, because it's really fascinating to me. I mean,

845
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 3: it's just one guy's opinion, but I thought he was

846
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 3: someone and we see it all the time that third, fourth,

847
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: fifth round offensive lineman come in and they can play

848
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 3: in their rookie seasons. Maybe they're not all pros right

849
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: away unless they're Quentin Nelson or Tristan Wurf's, but they

850
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 3: can play and be serviceable players. And this is someone

851
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 3: that back to back years at Georgia at center not

852
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 3: having to change positions, was really really good. He doesn't

853
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 3: have the big time measurables, but I think in terms

854
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 3: of understanding his assignments, leverage, the angle battle, all of that,

855
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: I think Van pran Granger was as good as any

856
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 3: center in this class. A kind of ticking all of

857
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 3: those boxes. So to me to your point that you

858
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 3: made there at the end, it's kind of like could

859
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 3: this be a similar situation to Christian Benford as a

860
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 3: six round pick out of Villanova, just starting because he

861
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 3: was just better than Kyrie Elam and that it will

862
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 3: be kind of continuity against Oh, you know, these are

863
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 3: the five best players and we don't have to move

864
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: Connor McGovern. I just wondered if you knew anything, like,

865
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 3: are the Bills dead set on moving McGovern or do

866
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: they feel that way pre draft? And maybe they, I'm

867
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 3: not gonna say, have gone against it, but maybe are like,

868
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 3: let's just see how it plays out. Now that they

869
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: were able to get that steel in van pan Grader in.

870
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: The fifth round.

871
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the other thing to consider here is

872
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: the importance of the position, not only because he's got

873
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: to have a rapport with the quarterback from a snap perspective, shotgun,

874
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: all that stuff, but he's also got to make line

875
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: calls in the heat at the moment, in the snap

876
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 2: of a finger. Knowing all of this late movement that

877
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 2: a lot of defensive lines like to throw it all

878
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 2: lines these days, I think that might give them pause

879
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: in just handing him the keys to that responsibility as

880
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 2: a rookie, not saying he doesn't have the football IQ

881
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 2: to handle it. But in the moment, in a split second, again,

882
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: we go back to that trust factor with coaches. They're

883
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: more likely to trust a veteran than they are, you know,

884
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: a rookie, even with the level of experience that Van

885
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: pran Granger has as a three year starter in the

886
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: SEC We have to step aside here because we are

887
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 2: at the top of the hour. But when we come back,

888
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: we're going to be joined by Pro Football Focus leave

889
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: draft analyst and co host of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast,

890
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 2: Trevor Sikima. Gonna join us to talk some off season

891
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: news and some off season rankings. As far as the

892
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: off season the Bills put Together. Will catch up with

893
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 2: Trevor on that when we return here on One Bill's

894
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Speaker 2: Live presented by Klata Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

895
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: The One Bills Live presented by Calida Health.

896
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: All Right, hour number two here on a Monday, Chris Brown,

897
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 2: Chris Trapasso with you, and please to be joined now

898
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Speaker 2: by the lead draft analyst and co host of the

899
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Speaker 2: NFL Stock Exchange podcast from Pro Football Focus. It is

900
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: Trevor Sikima, our good friend joining us here. Trevor, thanks

901
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: for the time here in the off season. I don't

902
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: have to tell you that as web content goes, it's

903
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: listical season. Got to put those lists together, got to

904
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 2: get those off season grades in uh and you've been

905
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: doing that in earnest at PFF dot com. One of

906
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: the things you put together evaluating the Bills off season

907
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: so far are Bills get a C plus from you.

908
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: You didn't want to be harsh on them, understanding their

909
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 2: cap constraints limited though, so when you're when you're limited

910
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 2: in terms of your financial maneuverability, that's going to probably

911
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: limit your grade as well. I'm guessing yeah.

912
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 4: And you know, look, I think that certainly if if

913
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 4: you wanted to argue that it could be in the

914
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,959
Speaker 4: B range, certainly because of like you said, their hands

915
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 4: were a little bit tied and what they were doing.

916
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 4: I can understand that it's it's hard to look at

917
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 4: this team in this roster no Stefan Diggs, no Jordan Poyer,

918
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 4: no Micah High, no Tredevious White, you know, von Miller

919
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 4: not being what he was in years past, like and

920
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 4: and a draft that you know, trading back a couple

921
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 4: of times. They end up getting keyon Coleman, who I

922
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 4: think could be a really great player for them, But uh,

923
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 4: I think that that's a that's a roll of the dice,

924
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 4: as any.

925
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 5: Draft pick is.

926
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 4: But I just look at the Bills offseason and it's

927
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 4: certainly hard to over the last four years that they've

928
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 4: been division winners to say yes, like this team absolutely

929
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 4: got better. I think it was sort of the time

930
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 4: and their winning window, where you get to the end

931
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 4: of some of those contracts, some of those veterans get

932
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 4: a little bit older, some situations falter a little bit,

933
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 4: and you just got to move on in a handful

934
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 4: of ways. So I think it was a sort of

935
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 4: a tough pill to swallow for them this offseason, watching

936
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 4: a lot of those veterans and watching a lot of

937
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 4: those coordinations that they've had in the winning window no

938
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 4: longer be on the team. But this is still a

939
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 4: strong roster. So just because they didn't get a glowing

940
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 4: offseason grade does not mean that they can't compete for

941
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 4: double digit wins in another division title. It just felt

942
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 4: like between what they did versus what other teams did,

943
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 4: they were one of the lower stacked up teams when

944
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 4: it came to talent acquired and situation improvement.

945
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 5: Going into twenty twenty four.

946
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Speaker 3: Trevor, segueing to another one of your articles recently, I

947
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 3: thought it was a really cool idea to give your

948
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 3: selections for the top three players on every team. So

949
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 3: I would highly recommend going to read that article For

950
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 3: all thirty two teams that Trevor put out recently, you

951
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 3: picked Josh Allen, unsurprisingly, Matt Malano, and Greg Russo for

952
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 3: the Bills. What I'm wondering is, spinning forward to January

953
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 3: February twenty twenty five, beyond Josh Allen obviously, are there

954
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 3: any other players that you could see when I look

955
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: back the end of the season that could be in

956
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 3: that top three in terms of just best players on

957
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 3: the Bills roster.

958
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that's certainly the exciting part. That's

959
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 4: the other side of the coin of what I just

960
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 4: said kind of talking about their offseason, is it's a

961
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 4: lot of notable names that are no longer there. It

962
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 4: opens up a lot of impactful snaps and a lot

963
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 4: of opportunities for a lot of these players. And so

964
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 4: I think it's very easy with no Stefon Diggs, with

965
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 4: no Gabe Davis, to kind of look at the receiving core,

966
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 4: and I throw tight ends in there as well. I

967
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 4: think the easy answer would be, Okay, well, if Keon

968
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 4: Coleman kind of evolves into this wide receiver one for them,

969
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 4: then obviously he would be in that conversation. But I'm

970
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 4: gonna shout out Dalton King k Aid, somebody that I

971
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 4: really liked when he was coming out a couple of

972
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 4: years ago, and he's somebody who I understand that it's

973
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 4: sort of a crowded receiver room or tight end room

974
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 4: with him in Dawson Knox, but man, I feel like

975
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 4: the sky's the limit with the versatility of what you

976
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 4: can do with Dalton kin Kid, and I feel like

977
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 4: he could be such an X factor for this team.

978
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 4: So he's a name that I would throw into that

979
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 4: mix as one that I really feel confident could be

980
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 4: in that conversation for one of their top three players

981
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 4: or at least a major X factor for this team.

982
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 4: And then I'm gonna shout out Christian Benford in the

983
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 4: second right. I mean, like, I think that this is

984
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 4: a player who really took a leap, certainly in terms

985
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 4: of PFF grade and really just overall performance from twenty

986
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,479
Speaker 4: twenty two to twenty twenty three is a full time

987
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 4: boundary corner for them. And I just again, I look

988
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 4: at a lot of the names in that secondary. Yeah,

989
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 4: you still got Rasul Douglass. You still got Tron Johnson,

990
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 4: Taylor Rapp now in one of those safety spots that

991
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 4: you're probably throwing Cole Bishop in there as well. But man,

992
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 4: you've got an opportunity with no High, with no Poyer,

993
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 4: no Tredavious White, like like this is this this could

994
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 4: be Christian Benfers's time. I don't want I don't want

995
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 4: to like put too much on his player too high,

996
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 4: have expectations, but like he could emerge as the best

997
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 4: secondary player for this team, especially if he continues to

998
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 4: build off of what we saw in twenty twenty three.

999
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 4: So I think the two names that I would bring

1000
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 4: to the table that have a real chance to be

1001
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 4: in this top three a year from now is Benford

1002
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 4: in Kincaid.

1003
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 2: As far as this year though, and the three came

1004
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 2: up with how close did Tarren Johnson get to crack

1005
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 2: in that top three? I mean, second team All Pro

1006
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 2: last year behind to mcduffey. Actually, two slot corners are

1007
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 2: the All pros at corner, you know, McDuffie and Kansas

1008
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 2: City and then Johnson here. How close did he come

1009
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 2: to make in your top three list?

1010
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he was, he was right there.

1011
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,439
Speaker 4: I think I think with Rousseau of guys that would

1012
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 4: have been that the names that are just off of

1013
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 4: that list. And again those players they kind of if

1014
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 4: you bring up, it's like, all right, yeah, I don't

1015
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 4: have too much of a debate. Again, she I went

1016
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 4: Rousseau just because again it was a really successful year

1017
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 4: for him. I know the sack number was low, but

1018
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 4: the overall production, I think the one on one wins

1019
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 4: from him were definitely up. I think he's just getting

1020
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 4: better and better. And he's somebody who when he was

1021
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 4: coming out of Miami, just as a draft analyst taking

1022
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 4: you back a little bit, we knew that it was

1023
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 4: going to take a little bit of time.

1024
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 5: You know.

1025
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 4: He's just a very raw defensive lineman where I mean,

1026
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 4: Miami is playing him all over the field, and I

1027
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 4: know he's done that a little bit in the NFL

1028
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 4: as well, But I mean he was he was like

1029
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 4: a stand up edge rusher.

1030
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 5: He was a hand in the dirt. He was a

1031
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 5: three tech.

1032
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 4: He was a nose tackle and so you knew that

1033
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 4: it was going to take time for a guy that

1034
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 4: had that kind of ceiling of being able to play

1035
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 4: all those positions to really hone in on ones that

1036
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 4: made the most sense for him in the league. And

1037
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 4: I think that he took a really nice step in

1038
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 4: that direction last year was really an impactful presence for

1039
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 4: them along the defensive line. But yeah, I mean there's

1040
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 4: no doubt about it. I mean, Johnson, you said the

1041
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 4: accolades in the recognition for him last year. You know

1042
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 4: he's in that conversation there too, all right.

1043
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 3: Spinning it forward to the twenty twenty four draft class

1044
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 3: for the Bills is two draft analysts talking here. So

1045
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 3: I got to ask you a draft question, not that

1046
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 3: you need to recite, and remember we're all ten of

1047
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 3: the Bills draft picks, but was there a specific player

1048
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 3: from this Bill's draft in terms of maybe just a

1049
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 3: player that you love that they picked later, or best

1050
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 3: value or instant impact? Just give us kind of the

1051
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 3: classification that you had for what you estimated to be

1052
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 3: the Bill's best pick in the twenty twenty four draft.

1053
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought the Bill has had a really good draft.

1054
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 4: And I'm going to cheat here and I'm going to

1055
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 4: give you three that I really liked, and they're all

1056
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 4: on day three, so they do kind of have the

1057
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 4: stipulation that you were talking about some of those later picks.

1058
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 4: Ray Davis has stud I mean, he's awesome journeyman throughout

1059
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 4: college football. I think that he is somebody who really

1060
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 4: is going to have a chance to make his mark

1061
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 4: on this roster, even it's just a rookie. I think

1062
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 4: that his play style, it's one that's easy to believe

1063
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 4: in the output that we've seen over the last couple

1064
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 4: of years, three programs. He's been successful at the college level,

1065
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 4: including a really great year basically the best year yet

1066
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 4: from him in Kentucky. So I think he's going to

1067
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 4: have a chance to really crack a rotational role in

1068
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 4: AA contributing role this upcoming year. I like Cedric Van

1069
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 4: pron Granger as well. I think that he when you

1070
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 4: look at his experience and what he did in college

1071
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 4: football three years is starting National championship offensive lines. I

1072
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 4: mean he was the guy who was, you know, making

1073
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 4: the calls, communicating.

1074
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 5: He was a leader on that team.

1075
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 4: I mean, you just you cannot trust, you cannot replicate

1076
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 4: that that trust and experience for a program like Georgia,

1077
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 4: and Georgia, you gotta remember this, this is a team

1078
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 4: that competing at the highest level of college football, multi

1079
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 4: national championships. We were going through a three peat this year,

1080
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 4: and they chose this guy to be the centerpiece of

1081
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 4: their offense for those entire runs. And I think that

1082
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 4: that cannot be understated or sorry, overstated enough that experience

1083
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 4: that he has there, so centric Van Praunt, I think

1084
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 4: has an opportunity to be a really good long term

1085
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 4: starter for this team, even if maybe it is not

1086
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 4: right away. And then the last guy I'm gonna shout out,

1087
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 4: a player who I thought should have gone a lot

1088
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 4: higher than pick number one, sixty eight is Javon Solomon,

1089
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 4: the edge rusher from Troy. He was a former off

1090
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 4: ball linebacker at Troy, played well, good athlete, and then

1091
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 4: they moved him to edge this past year.

1092
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 5: And what did he do well?

1093
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 4: He just led the country in sack, that's all. He's

1094
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 4: very uniquely built. He's only about six foot tall, six

1095
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 4: foot one, but he's got long arms. I mean he's

1096
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 4: got long arms, like a six foot seven kind of

1097
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 4: a dude. And that wingspan is huge. And you know

1098
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 4: that lack of length, it's not going to show up

1099
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 4: nearly as much for him despite the smaller heightened In fact,

1100
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 4: to me, feels a little bit of the best of

1101
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 4: both worlds. Right, he can get the pad level low

1102
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 4: because of the height, but yet he's not going to

1103
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 4: get he totally outreached by those offensive tackles at the

1104
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 4: NFL level. So instead you see a lot of that

1105
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 4: natural athleticism, that natural explosiveness from him. I thought that

1106
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 4: was a really great pick from them in the fifth

1107
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 4: round there with Javon Solomon.

1108
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean the pads aren't on yet here

1109
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: in Ota is an upcoming mini camp this week, but

1110
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 2: he has flashed here as a rookie this spring, so

1111
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 2: be encouraging to see what happens when the pads go

1112
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 2: on come training camp. I gotta say, like the Ray

1113
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 2: Davis pick was one that I really like too. And

1114
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: right now, I mean it's it's a running back room

1115
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 2: where at worst he's three behind, you know, Ty Johnson

1116
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 2: and James Cook obviously, and we saw this team after

1117
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 2: Joe Brady took over. I mean they became one of

1118
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 2: the highest percentage run teams on first down down the stretch.

1119
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 2: There at the end of the season when they were

1120
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 2: in must win situations at six and six after twelve

1121
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 2: games played, and they go five and one down the stretch.

1122
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 2: There's this general consensus, although none of us really know

1123
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 2: the answer, you know that Joe Brady is going to

1124
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 2: make a more concerted effort to turn to the run game,

1125
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 2: maybe take a little bit more of the load off

1126
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 2: Josh Allen. To me, that speaks to an even bigger

1127
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 2: opportunity for Ray Davis on a team with a coaching

1128
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 2: staff that doesn't like to play rookies a ton. I

1129
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: think he might be one of the exceptions. Not only

1130
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: because of that, but he's already twenty five years old. Trevor, right, right, And.

1131
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 4: I think that, you know, it feels like it's often

1132
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 4: taboo in NFL draft talks of like, ooh, he's older

1133
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 4: than twenty three. We can't I mean, he might as

1134
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 4: well not be in league, you know, like you can't

1135
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 4: draft this guy. And I think that, of course, there's

1136
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 4: there's two sides at the point where you talk about

1137
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 4: older prospects, right, And I think that for Ray Davis,

1138
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 4: you know you mentioned it, I think to him that

1139
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 4: experience ends up being a strength yes, he's got a

1140
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 4: little bit more miles on him, but you get him

1141
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 4: in a situation, especially like this one in Buffalo, where yeah,

1142
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 4: I mean, James Cook is obviously kind of coming into

1143
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 4: his own. They're gonna want him to be the RB one.

1144
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 4: He's got that explosive this, he's got that pass catching ability.

1145
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 4: But you know, Ty Johnson, Okay, he spent a couple

1146
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 4: of years in the league, but it's not like he's

1147
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 4: been a heavy rotational guy. Even throughout his time in

1148
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 4: the NFL, He's kind of been sparely used. So I

1149
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 4: think that even Ty Johnson spot, it could be a

1150
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 4: battle right there for who is going to be RB

1151
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 4: two on this team, And you mentioned at worst it

1152
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 4: feels like Davis is RB three, But I think certainly

1153
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 4: the opportunity is there for him to be that RB two.

1154
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 4: And I think you also get to, you know, take

1155
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 4: a little bit of solace in the fact that Davis

1156
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 4: has now done this at multiple programs.

1157
01:02:58,840 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: Right.

1158
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 4: It's not like, Okay, I was recruited for a certain

1159
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 4: coaching staff and a certain program, and that's what I

1160
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 4: have been doing my entire college football career. This guy

1161
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 4: has been bouncing around the college football landscape with different

1162
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 4: programs and different coaching staffs, and that, to me is

1163
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 4: only a emphasis of the strength of him to hit

1164
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 4: the ground running in this situation, because it's not like

1165
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 4: he's like, all right, well, I'm learning a playbook for

1166
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 4: the first time since I was in high school.

1167
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 2: No.

1168
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 4: I mean he's learned a playbook, learning a new coaching staff.

1169
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 4: I mean, that's just what he does at this point.

1170
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 4: So I don't expect Davis to be overwhelmed by the

1171
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 4: learning curve, especially the early learning curve of taking that

1172
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 4: jump to the NFL.

1173
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 5: So I really do I believe you. I think that.

1174
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 4: He's got that RB two job in his sites, and

1175
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 4: I don't think that he is letting that rookie label

1176
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 4: get in the way of him trying to contribute for

1177
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 4: this team as much as he possibly can.

1178
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 3: All right, Trevor, last one for me. Instead of asking

1179
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 3: you about another one of your articles, it just dawned

1180
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 3: on me. I remember that you are a University of

1181
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 3: Florida alumni. You're always rooting for your Gators during college

1182
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 3: football season on Saturdays, and in me filling in on

1183
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 3: this show the last couple of weeks and months, I

1184
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 3: think the most intriguing player in terms of callers and

1185
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 3: tweets that we've gotten is Justin Shorter. Now I give

1186
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 3: my own draft opinion of him. Now you can give

1187
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 3: your own draft opinion, and the fact that he played

1188
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 3: his final season of football at your alma mater. Tell

1189
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 3: the listeners just about the game and what you can

1190
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 3: expect in year two from Bill's wide receiver, Justin Shorter.

1191
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 4: I mean, you love the size, right, I mean, that's

1192
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 4: what I was excited about him, And he was a

1193
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 4: four star, five star prospect for a reason, and it

1194
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 4: was just that overall size and athleticism combination. When he

1195
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 4: was at Penn State first and he transferred over to

1196
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 4: the University of Florida, it didn't come along as much

1197
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 4: as I think people wanted it too for him throughout

1198
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 4: his college career. But again, he kind of goes back

1199
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 4: to Ray Davis a little bit, and olkay, are these

1200
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 4: guys going to be overwhelmed when they get to the

1201
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 4: pro level. He's got size and speed. It's just a

1202
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 4: matter of can he become that consistent route runner. Can

1203
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 4: he become that consistent separator? Are the dropsco to remain

1204
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 4: low for him? Like overall consistency of the game is.

1205
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 5: Going to be really important for him.

1206
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 4: But obviously it's a situation where, hey, if he starts

1207
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 4: having a really good camp, really good training camp, really

1208
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 4: good preseasons, he's going to make his case to be

1209
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 4: somebody that you can't forget about on this roster. So yeah, okay,

1210
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 4: if you're looking at the five star recruiting label, no,

1211
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 4: he didn't exactly live up to that at Penn State

1212
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 4: or at Florida, but there were certainly flashes of times

1213
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 4: when he showcased that six foot four tour and twenty

1214
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 4: five pound prame that is upper seventieth percentile for NFL

1215
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:42,959
Speaker 4: wide receivers, and so those are the kind of guys

1216
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 4: that you take a chance on.

1217
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 2: Last one for me, Trevor, I know you put out

1218
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 2: your division winners recently. In terms of projections, you got

1219
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 2: the Dolphins winning the AFC East, which I don't think

1220
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 2: is an outlandish pick. You know, we know the Bills

1221
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 2: have had a stranglehold on the division the last four years.

1222
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 2: Has changed in Buffalo I think in fairness though, and

1223
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,439
Speaker 2: I'll just be a little bit of a devil's advocate here,

1224
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 2: there's been a fair amount of change in Miami too.

1225
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 2: They're gonna have another new defense for the third straight

1226
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 2: season under Anthony Weaver. No Christian Wilkins, no Jerome Baker

1227
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 2: at the front seven, Xavian Howard no so and it

1228
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 2: doesn't look like Bradley Chubb or Jalen Phillips are going

1229
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 2: to be ready to return at the start of the season,

1230
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 2: which would include the Week two matchup with the Bills

1231
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 2: on Thursday Night Football. I know they got Shaq Barrett,

1232
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 2: which was a nice pickup in free agency, and they

1233
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 2: drafted chob Robinson, But how do you see that potentially

1234
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 2: impacting their fortunes because that defense has got to come correct,

1235
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 2: like pretty much from the jump here to help them out.

1236
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1237
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:54,919
Speaker 4: No, it's not like I picked Miami and thought, oh yeah,

1238
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 4: this one's not even close.

1239
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 5: Obviously.

1240
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 4: I think you could throw the New York Jets in

1241
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 4: there as well, make a case for any of those

1242
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 4: three teams. And I think in years prior I pretty

1243
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 4: easily picked the Bills. You know, I think over the

1244
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 4: last two to three years it was very easily the Bills. Now,

1245
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 4: I think just because of the roster makeup, you know,

1246
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 4: no Stephan Diggs, none of the veterans that I was

1247
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 4: mentioning before. You're wondering who's going to step up and

1248
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 4: how much they're going to be able to step up.

1249
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 4: I think that simply opens the door. And when I

1250
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 4: look at Miami the success that they had last year

1251
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 4: on offense, I think, obviously, you know, all those pieces

1252
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 4: are still there for them to continue to have that

1253
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 4: success on the offensive side of the ball. But on defense,

1254
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 4: I don't think people realize how good this defense was

1255
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 4: when it was fully healthy. Now to your point, obviously

1256
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 4: they're dealing with some injuries, they're dealing with some loss

1257
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 4: and free agency. But if they can kind of survive that,

1258
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 4: if the offense can just win them a handful of

1259
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 4: games throughout I would say the first half of the season,

1260
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 4: then you'll get Phillips back. Then you'll get Chubbed back,

1261
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 4: and even if it's a little bit of an acclamation

1262
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 4: period between those guys, you added some good depth along

1263
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 4: the defensive line to be able to mitigate that. I

1264
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 4: really like their corners. Even without Taven Howard, you're at

1265
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 4: in Kennel Fuller as well. You still have Jalen Ramsey

1266
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 4: cater Coo, who is great in the slot, You've got

1267
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,919
Speaker 4: yourself Javon Holland as well, and so there's a lot

1268
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 4: of really good football players on that team. And I

1269
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 4: just kind of felt as I was looking at things

1270
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 4: and the strength of schedule I think goes into it

1271
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 4: a little bit too, with the Bills.

1272
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 5: Having a tough strength to schedule.

1273
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 4: I just feel as though, Okay, it kind of feels

1274
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 4: as though it could be Miami's time.

1275
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 5: It could be Miami's year here.

1276
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 4: But like I said at the beginning, you know them,

1277
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 4: the Jets, the Bills, it's sort of a three way

1278
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 4: coin flip for all three of those teams. It's just

1279
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 4: going to be a heated race down to the very end,

1280
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 4: as people are pretty familiar with.

1281
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we are anticipating a tighter race this

1282
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 2: year for the many of the reasons you just laid out.

1283
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 2: And to your point, the Dolphins, I believe have the

1284
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 2: easiest schedule of those three teams in the division. Trevor,

1285
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Speaker 2: thanks as always for the time. We appreciate it. Enjoy

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Speaker 2: whatever offseason you have at your disposal when you're not

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Speaker 2: busy clickity clacking that keyboard for PFF dot Com. Thanks much.

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Speaker 5: She had guys anytime all right.

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Speaker 2: That's Trevor Sikima joining us here from Pro Football Focus,

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Speaker 2: their lead draft analyst and busy even in the offseason

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01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 2: cranking out content. So good to get him on. And

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know about you, Chris, but I

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01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 2: do think it will be tighter. I mean, we're oh

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01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 2: for sure that Aaron Rodgers will be healthy and will

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01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 2: actually play games for the Jets and make that offense

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01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 2: more functional, more productive than it certainly was last year

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01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 2: when it was a tire fire. And the Dolphins have

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01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 2: the easiest schedule of the three teams, So that can

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Speaker 2: bring the Bills back to the mean a little bit

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01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,719
Speaker 2: more so to speak, knowing what they have to undertake

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Speaker 2: with all the newness on their roster.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Trevor's great. He's one of my favorite analysts. I've

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01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 3: known him in the draft circles for like over a

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01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 3: decade now, and he's just entertaining. He's smart, he's got

1305
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 3: all the data with PFF to kind of stand behind

1306
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 3: it as well. Just very smart football guy. The one

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01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 3: thing I would slightly disagree with or maybe he wasn't

1308
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 3: factoring into that pick of the Dolphins, and I think

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01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 3: it's very localized here now, certainly the Dolphins could just

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Speaker 3: win the division outright. They were way ahead of the

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Speaker 3: Bills down the stretch. Last year, the Bills, you know,

1312
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 3: caught them literally in the last game of the season.

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01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 3: Is I just don't feel like Tua can outduel Josh

1314
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Speaker 3: Allen that if it comes down to it like it

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01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 3: did last year the final game of the season, he

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01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 3: and that team. We know the long history that Josh

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01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 3: Allen has had against the Dolphins, whether it was with

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01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 3: Xavian Howard and with Jalen Phillips, it hasn't really mattered,

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01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 3: and Tua has kind of played some of his worst

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Speaker 3: football against Buffalo. To me, I think the Jets are

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Speaker 3: more just on paper, a bigger challenge to the Bills,

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01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 3: or more of a threat to the Bills within their

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01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 3: own division. But with the Jets, you have, you know,

1324
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 3: so many of these older injury plague players that if

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Speaker 3: they all stay healthy, they are going to be really tough.

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Speaker 3: But are they all going to stay healthy over the

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01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 3: course of an eighteen week season. I don't really think

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01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,759
Speaker 3: that's gonna probably happen. So, but yes, I do agree

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01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,839
Speaker 3: with you that those two teams, it wouldn't shock anyone,

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Speaker 3: including me or you if the Dolphins won the division

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Speaker 3: or the Jets win if the Bills don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the thing about Miami is they're undergoing just

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01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 2: as much change to a certain extent as the Bills are.

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Speaker 2: I mean, especially on the defensive side of the losses

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Speaker 2: they incurred and a brand new scheme. I mean it's

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Speaker 2: their third new defense in three years. Fandrio was won

1337
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 2: and done when he replays Boyer. So I don't know,

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01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 2: that's I think that's just a lot to undertake and

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01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 2: then cruise to a division title. I don't know. It

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01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 2: just seems a little bit of a of a tougher

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01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 2: task than I think people believe. And then with the Jets,

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01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 2: I think they're more formidable too, because they always give

1343
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 2: the Bills offense. The Jets defense gives the Bills offense

1344
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 2: a much more difficult go of it than the Dolphins

1345
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 2: defense has in recent years. And for that reason, I

1346
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 2: think the Jets might be a tougher matchup than the Dolphins,

1347
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 2: and the one loss record has kind of borne that out.

1348
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think the Jets have given Josh Allen

1349
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 3: and the Bills offense more of a challenge than any

1350
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 3: other team in the NFL since he broke out in

1351
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 3: twenty twenty. They've kind of gone through playing all the

1352
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 3: AFC teams a couple times, and it's the Jets are

1353
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 3: usually the team in terms of pressure, sacks, turnovers, way

1354
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 3: under where the Bills normally average in terms of points

1355
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 3: per game. And just jumping back quickly to the Dolphins.

1356
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 3: One player that they lost that I think is going

1357
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 3: to be difficult for them to replace Andrew van Ginkel.

1358
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 3: He made a lot of big plays in the playoff

1359
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 3: game two years ago against the Bills. It was always

1360
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 3: that just pesky overhang linebacker edge rusher made plays ranging

1361
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,720
Speaker 3: on outside runs. They lose him. He did get hurt

1362
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 3: last year and didn't play in that Week eighteen game,

1363
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 3: but just throughout the course of the season to not

1364
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 3: have that truly versatile chess piece. He goes to the

1365
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 3: Minnesota Vikings in free agency, I think will be really

1366
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 3: hard to replace all the kind of multi dimensional production

1367
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 3: that he gave that defense.

1368
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he actually broke his foot in the game in

1369
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 2: weeks Oh yeah, you're right. He left halfway through and

1370
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 2: he was kind of a horrible absence for them at

1371
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 2: the end of that game because they lost another one

1372
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,719
Speaker 2: of their backup linebackers on the kick return by Hardy

1373
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 2: for a touchdown, he got his leg busted. Also, they

1374
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 2: had like four line three or four linebackers left on

1375
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 2: the roster. Just even throw out there, and it was

1376
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 2: kind of instrumental in Miami not being able to kind

1377
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 2: of hold things down. Of course, the Bills suffered injuries

1378
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 2: in that game also because they lost Tyrrel Dotson and

1379
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 2: then Dion Dalgers was out for a strict He came

1380
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 2: back and Rap got hurt on the interception that he

1381
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 2: made to seal the game. So yeah, it was. It

1382
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 2: was kind of a wild injury game with so much

1383
01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:00,759
Speaker 2: on the line, and injuries will undoubtedly play a factor

1384
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 2: again this season for the division title as well. Chris

1385
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 2: and I step aside here, but when we come back,

1386
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: more of your thoughts on the tweet sheet as to

1387
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 2: the Bills player you believe can parlay this week's mini

1388
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 2: camp into a bigger training camp opportunity for a sizeable

1389
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 2: job on the roster. We talk about that more when

1390
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:34,560
Speaker 2: we return here on One Bill's Live. Stay with us

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01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,640
Speaker 2: back here on One Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Chris Shripso

1392
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 2: with you here on a Monday edition and mandatory Mini

1393
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 2: camp will begin in Earnest tomorrow for three days as

1394
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 2: we take our last look on the field at the

1395
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 2: Bills roster before training camp, because they'll have a five

1396
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 2: to five and a half week break give or take

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01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 2: before we are out there at Saint John Fisher. I

1398
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 2: think it's gonna happen in the blink of an eye.

1399
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 2: Chris is like, we're gonna be there, and it's gonna

1400
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 2: be like, where the heck did summer go? Because it's

1401
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 2: now over.

1402
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 3: Absolutely always does.

1403
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 2: But let's get back to the tweet sheet where we

1404
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 2: have been asking you today who has the best chance

1405
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:22,480
Speaker 2: to parlay mini camp into a better training camp opportunity

1406
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 2: And we were up to Jason who said, not one,

1407
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 2: but two wide receivers Claypool and MVS have reputations to resurrect.

1408
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 2: It's a last chance saloon for Claypool and MVS will

1409
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 2: have a Mega chip on his shoulder. Good luck to Bolt.

1410
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 2: We need fighters this season. Yeah, they're kind of in

1411
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 2: that pool that we were talking about, Chris, where you've

1412
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,799
Speaker 2: got guys that are kind of of the same build

1413
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 2: outside guys primarily I mean shorters in that mix as well.

1414
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 2: And may the cream rise to the top. I mean

1415
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 2: it's gonna be heated.

1416
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be probably the most heated battle at

1417
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 3: wide receiver four or five, whatever you want to call it.

1418
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 3: I feel like one of the last times I was

1419
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 3: on with you, we kind of went through that they

1420
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 3: have four or five big body guys with similar skill sets,

1421
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 3: Justin Shorter, MATC Collins in there. Now, I'm gonna say

1422
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 3: something that goes against what I normally care about, because

1423
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 3: to me, a receiver's job is to catch passes, score touchdowns.

1424
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 3: But we heard the Bills coaching staff over the last

1425
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 3: few years, even when Gabe Davis would have a zero

1426
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 3: catch for zero yard performance, they would get called he

1427
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 3: would get called out for how good of a blocker

1428
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 3: he is and his size, and he was bigger than

1429
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 3: most of the other wide receivers you know in the

1430
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 3: Stefan Diggs, Cole Beasley, John Brown, Isaiah McKenzie era. I

1431
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 3: wonder if any of these bigger bodies like an MVS

1432
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 3: Justin Shorter, Chase Claypool mc collins can stand out, maybe

1433
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,759
Speaker 3: not necessarily in mandatory mini camp where it's not full

1434
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 3: on practice, but maybe more so in training camp at

1435
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 3: Saint John Fisher. If they're abilities and just their size

1436
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 3: as blockers can maybe help separate one of these two

1437
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 3: if they're all kind of very close in terms of

1438
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 3: what they're doing down the field as wide receivers.

1439
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Claypool actually in his career, particularly

1440
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:20,839
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh, came under fire not being a more willing blocker.

1441
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 3: So lexadaisical raps.

1442
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's it's interesting because after he signed, I

1443
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 2: think Steve Tasker will be back tomorrow, by the way,

1444
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 2: from taking some little time off. I think he nailed it.

1445
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 2: He said. The Chase Claypool signing is a personality test

1446
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 2: by the Bills. Have you changed your stripes from what

1447
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 2: your reputation was that saw your way out of Pittsburgh

1448
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 2: And we know obviously he's been in Chicago and then

1449
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 2: Miami since then. But I agree with the tweeter Jason,

1450
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,520
Speaker 2: it's last chance saloon for Colear. Yeah.

1451
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 3: And I remember during the season last year a tweet

1452
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 3: from Kyle Brant of the NFL Network Front of the

1453
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 3: show Kyle Brant that he like called out Chase Claypool.

1454
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 3: I believe during a Bears game he didn't say him

1455
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 3: by name, I'm sure you could find it on there

1456
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,600
Speaker 3: where there were a few plays, I think late in

1457
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 3: the game where like Chase Claypool was in line to

1458
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 3: block someone and just kind of like half jogged to

1459
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 3: the player and didn't actually make the block, and then

1460
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 3: the defender made the tackle like short of the sticks,

1461
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 3: and Kyle Brant went on a long tweet like I'm

1462
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 3: not going to say your name, but what you're doing

1463
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 3: is embarrassing. You have all the talent the side and

1464
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:35,679
Speaker 3: you're not giving the effort. I don't know why he's

1465
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 3: still on the field. So it was I think, yes,

1466
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 3: it was in Pittsburgh, but also it carried on to Chicago.

1467
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 3: We'll see if the Bill's culture everything you know, it's

1468
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 3: always happy, go lucky on the Bill's offense with Josh

1469
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 3: Allen at the Helm, If like what Steve is saying

1470
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 3: I think is true and it's a personality test, I

1471
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 3: think you'll be able to tell almost right away if

1472
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 3: Chase Claypool has kind of changed his stripes, especially on

1473
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 3: those effort plays where he's not getting the football right.

1474
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 2: Because I know there's been a lot of positive returns

1475
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 2: on what he's been able to put out on the

1476
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 2: field this spring, but once again, the physical element of

1477
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 2: the game hasn't entered the equation yet. The pads have

1478
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 2: not gone on, and he's one of the guys I'm

1479
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 2: kind of most interested in keeping a close eye on

1480
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 2: to see if some of the positive returns he's put

1481
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 2: on the field in the spring can continue in the

1482
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 2: summer here at training camp when the pads are on,

1483
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 2: because that's when the rubber is going to meet the

1484
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 2: road for him, because if you had to do a

1485
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 2: cross section of his reputation around the league, it's more

1486
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 2: about how he plays when the pads are on and

1487
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 2: the bullets are flying than in an Ota practice in May,

1488
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 2: and that's really when we're going to get the true

1489
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 2: picture as to whether or not he has changed his

1490
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 2: game and is a more willing participant in that area

1491
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 2: of sure from Buffalo lowdown. With no clear pecking order

1492
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 2: on the receivers room, this is a golden opportunity for

1493
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 2: Claypool to become the star many thought he would be

1494
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 2: after his rookie year. Yeah, I mean, it really is

1495
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 2: a personal reclamation project here. I don't know how much

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Speaker 2: more we can spin it, but I mean you probably remember,

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Speaker 2: you know, since the draft is your thing? Forty two

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Speaker 2: inch vertical, you know, running in the what was he

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Speaker 2: low four fours?

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Speaker 3: I want to say, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And he has a basketball background, you know, from up

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01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 2: there in British Columbia. As a matter of fact, he

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01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 2: at least if I remember this right, he was hoping

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01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 2: to get a major Division I scholarship for basketball and

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01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 2: there ended up being more prominent schools after him for football,

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01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 2: and so that's kind of why he chose that path.

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01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 2: Whether or not that has an impact on how he

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01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 2: plays as a football player. Now, I don't know. I

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01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 2: don't know him well enough. He hasn't been here long

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01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 2: enough and we haven't even had a conversation with him

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01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:15,600
Speaker 2: on the show. So's it's something that's gonna have to

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Speaker 2: play out through training camp and the preseason, because again,

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01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 2: I think the pads have to be on for this

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01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 2: coaching staff to make a true assessment as to whether

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01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 2: or not he is a changed player or whether there's

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01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 2: a reason he's been on four teams in three years.

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Speaker 3: My last point that I'll say on Chase Claypool is

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01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 3: I think that previous tweet to call it last chance

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01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 3: the saloon is perfect because now like you're mentioning how

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01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 3: many his fourth team in three years, and this is

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01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 3: not hey didn't have great quarterbacking with Ben Roethlisberger at

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01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 3: the end of his career. Justin Fields was maybe not

1523
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 3: a great anticipatory thrower. Tua was great last season, but

1524
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 3: he was sixth or seventh option in that offense.

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01:21:58,360 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 2: He was on special teams.

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01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 3: He was especially I think Chase Claypool. He's about to

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01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 3: turn twenty six right after the fourth of July. If

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01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 3: he doesn't show that he is a team player and

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01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 3: is going to block on second and long, or make

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01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 3: plays in traffic, or not celebrate late in the game

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01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 3: when his team is in the hurry up with Josh

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01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 3: Allen and a Super Bowl contending Bills team. I don't

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01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 3: want to say he's going to be out of the league,

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01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 3: but that might really be his last true legitimate opportunity

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Speaker 3: in the NFL.

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01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:31,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, houseman time on the tweets sheets, says Javon Solomon

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01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 2: with how unsettled the situation is at edge. I think

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01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 2: if he shows flash as it could lead to him

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01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 2: getting more of a look in training camp and in

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01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 2: the preseason. I don't know if I would characterize the

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01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 2: edge position is unsettled. No, I would have You have

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01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 2: a three year starter in Greg Russou, and you have

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01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 2: Von Miller, who I think we all anticipate should be

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01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 2: better than what we saw from him last year. I

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01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 2: think right at the end of the season playoffs saw

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01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 2: some of the flashes of the Von Miller ability. I'm

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01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 2: not gonna say it was down in, down out, but

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01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 2: I think that the Bills undoubtedly are hoping can serve

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01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 2: as a springboard for Vaughan to get back to being

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01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 2: the von that we all know and are hope hoping

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01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 2: can deliver in terms of production. But even beyond him,

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01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 2: you have Ajpanessa. So your top three are guys that

1553
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 2: have been here for the better part of the last

1554
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 2: two seasons at least Epinessa four seasons, Rousseau three seasons.

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01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 2: I don't think i'd call it unsettled. You want to

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01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 2: talk about behind those three guys, Okay, I'll listen to that.

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01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 2: You know, Shack loss and not here anymore, you know,

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01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 2: and neither is Leonard Floyd. So yeah, there is an

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01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,600
Speaker 2: opportunity there for a guy like a Javon Solomon. I

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01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 2: don't think we should just dismiss Kingsley, Jonathan summarily, I

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01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 2: think there's some ability there, but I would put those

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01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 2: two guys kind of in the same boat, and who

1563
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 2: wants to be fourth defensive end? Go get it?

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01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, Chris, what do you think about this with

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01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 3: Javon Solomon and that he is a completely different physical

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01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 3: prototype from what the Bills have kind of leaned into

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01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 3: during the entire Brandon Bean era. It's always been long, tall, big,

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01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 3: raw specimens, and I think Trevor Sikima, who he had

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01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 3: on earlier, pointed out very astutey that he's short, but

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01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 3: he has like over thirty three and charms, so it's

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01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 3: not going to be like someone that just gets engulfed

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01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 3: on every single play. I've kind of viewed that selection

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01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 3: in the fifth round, and I love the Bills fifth

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01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 3: round picks that they made, by the way, as maybe

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01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 3: a little bit of a sign of the changing of

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01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 3: the guard with assistant coaches on the defensive side of

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01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 3: the ball. Maybe Bobby Babbage as well, the new defensive coordinator, says, look,

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01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 3: we don't necessarily need because they already have the six

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01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 3: foot seven, two hundred and sixty pound types or the

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01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 3: six four to two sixty five aj Epanessa and maybe

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01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 3: lean into more quickness, bend speed around the corner, knowing

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01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 3: that von Miller is nearing the end of his career.

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01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:05,640
Speaker 3: So that's to me he kind of I view him

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01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 3: similarly to Dwin Carter inside that they needed another athletic,

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01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 3: smaller specimen inside. I think they needed that at the

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01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 3: ad Russer position too, and they get that with Javon Solomon.

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01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wonder, you know, we've seen a good

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01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 2: bit of Rousseau kicking inside and obvious passing situations, and

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01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 2: they line them up next to Oliver and you've got

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01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 2: a long guy and a short, explosive guy inside. So

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01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 2: where do they put Where do they put Solomon if

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01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 2: he's the fourth guy on the field. So do you

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01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 2: do you line it up long short, long, short and

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01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 2: go epinessa Oliver Rousseau Solomon or do you go short

1595
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,440
Speaker 2: on one side? I think they're gonna have to alternate

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01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 2: that so they don't feel they're lacking somewhere, you know,

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01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 2: I mean in an obvious passing situation. I'm talking here,

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01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 2: That's what I expect Solomon to see most of his action.

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01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 2: But there's no debating it. He has unquestionably flashed in

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Speaker 2: the spring, and I think Sikima was on it, which

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01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 2: is impressive since he hasn't seen any of these practices

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01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 2: in person. He can he can run the arc, and

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01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 2: he has that bend where he can flatten and his

1604
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 2: arms do help him. I think he's going to have

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01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 2: an impact somewhere for this team this season. May not

1606
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 2: be in the first half of the year, but week ten, eleven, twelve,

1607
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 2: somebody gets nicked up, misses a couple of games, and

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01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:41,680
Speaker 2: suddenly Javon Solomon's playing thirty five forty snaps instead of

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01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 2: ten or fifteen and playing mostly on special teams. I

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01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 2: think we might see more from him, and I think

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01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 2: he may contribute more than people are anticipating going forward.

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01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, I and very quickly, I think you're to

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01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,640
Speaker 3: bring up Kingsley Jonathan like you did. I think is

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01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 3: also a good one because the Bills have clearly liked him.

1615
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 3: They've kept him on the practice squad, They've wanted that

1616
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 3: guy who can bend the corner with speed, dip all

1617
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 3: of that. Now, entering what year three for him, Year four,

1618
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 3: Year three or four will be interesting to see if

1619
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 3: the strength and the power has been built up in

1620
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 3: his game to be someone that maybe can play not

1621
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 3: just on third and long and an obvious passing situation.

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01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 3: He's really that long term developmental type that they've really

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01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 3: groomed over the last couple of years.

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01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was young in football. Yeah, he was

1625
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 2: coming out of Syracuse. So I think they thought, look,

1626
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 2: there's talent here, Let's play the long game and see

1627
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 2: what we can get. So hopefully they can't break time

1628
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:44,640
Speaker 2: for us. Here some final thoughts on the tweetcheet when

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01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 2: we return on one Bill's Live Stay with Us final

1630
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 2: segment here on a Monday, Chris Brown, Chris Capasso with you,

1631
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 2: and one final from the tweet sheet. Who's been asking

1632
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 2: you all afternoon? Who do you think can parlay a

1633
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 2: mandatory mini camp into a bigger opportunity in training camp?

1634
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 2: Bill's for the money, says at dB higher Elam Bishop,

1635
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 2: at safety, running back Ray Davis, and linebacker Dorian Williams.

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01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 2: We already talked about Williams. Elim's an interesting one who

1637
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:27,639
Speaker 2: I talked about as well, Chris, What do you think

1638
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 2: about Bishop and Davis?

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01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 3: Though, Well, for me, Cole Bishop, I just want to

1640
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 3: see how far along he is mentally because at Utah

1641
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 3: on film you saw him directing everyone to get in position,

1642
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 3: played so many different responses or had so many different responsibilities.

1643
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 3: So let's see if in mandatory Mini camp he is

1644
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 3: that really heady player that he was in college.

1645
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, just about everybody at safety has had more time

1646
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 2: on the field here in the spring due to the

1647
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 2: fact that Mike Edwards has been down with an injury, yes,

1648
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 2: for most of the spring here, so a lot of

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01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 2: those guys have kind of rotated up for reps being

1650
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:02,759
Speaker 2: one of them. And we already talked about Ray Davis

1651
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 2: with Trevor Sikima, who I think is going to be

1652
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 2: an interesting competition for Ty Johnson for that two role.

1653
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 2: It's all gonna come down right after this three day

1654
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 2: mini camp. But Chris, thanks for your time and helping

1655
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 2: us out here on the fill in Steve Tasker. Back

1656
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 2: tomorrow for our Tuesday edition as Mandatory Mini Camp begins

1657
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 2: at one Bill's Drive. We'll see them