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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace breaking news tonight. Did a

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Speaker 1: pregnant mom get drunk on Crown Royale and then plow

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Speaker 1: into a group of sixteen people, killing two? Yes, according

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Speaker 1: to cops. Good Evening, I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Within minutes of the crash, at least eight ambulances arrive

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Speaker 2: on scene as the victim's conditions worsen. First reports say

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Speaker 2: seven people are injured and three critical. By the time

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Speaker 2: local hospitals are alerted to a mass casualty incident. Two

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Speaker 2: people die of their injuries on scene. Thirteen people are

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Speaker 2: transported to the hospital via ambulance, more than half of

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Speaker 2: them children.

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Speaker 1: Dear Lord in Heaven, Okay, I don't even know where

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Speaker 1: to start. Have you ever seen the English teacher go

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Speaker 1: up to the blackboard or green board? She starts dissecting

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Speaker 1: a sentence. Okay, where do I go with this pregnant

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Speaker 1: mom of four prescription drugs, nearly empty bottle of Crown

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Speaker 1: Royal in the car, slurred speech, two did fourteen others

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Speaker 1: in the hospital. There's just so many places to go

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Speaker 1: with me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know? Right now, including a high profile attorney

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Speaker 1: who specializes in DUI's. I don't know how you do it.

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Speaker 1: A drunk mom of Crown Royale. According to cops, she

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Speaker 1: hasn't been proven guilty yet. But before I go to

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Speaker 1: Ray Judice, let me go to Aaron Bowling joining us

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Speaker 1: from Lansing multimedia journalist wilx Us ten erin.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for being with us. What happened? Who is

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Speaker 3: this woman?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: So officers say, Look, the majority of the information we

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Speaker 5: have on Ashley Monroe's background came from when the judge

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Speaker 5: asked her attorney, is there any information you'd like us

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Speaker 5: to consider when setting her bond? Now, her lawyer went

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Speaker 5: on to say that she has no pending charges, she's

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Speaker 5: not on probation, she's not on parole, she has no

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Speaker 5: felony record, she has no misdemeanor convictions. He says, she

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Speaker 5: has a completely clear criminal history. And he went on

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Speaker 5: to say she is employed full time with the State

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Speaker 5: of Michigan Secretary of State's Office.

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Speaker 1: Wait wait, Aaron Bowling, you are a fountain of facts,

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Speaker 1: but right now it's more like a fire high trant.

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Speaker 3: I can't drink it in that quickly.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, So her big plus is she doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a felony record. Okay, that's not what I would imagine

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Speaker 1: putting at the top of your resume, But I'm more

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Speaker 1: interested in what you were saying right there at the end.

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Speaker 3: She works for who?

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Speaker 5: She is employed full time with the State of Michigan

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Speaker 5: Secretary of State's office. He says she's worked there as

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Speaker 5: a clerk for the last year and a half.

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Speaker 1: I'm just very very curious, raimonds you to say, joining

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Speaker 1: me high profile criminal defense attorney in the Atlanta jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if she dared to throw that out there. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I work for the Secretary of State because I just

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Speaker 1: love it when people do that. I remember when Reese

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Speaker 1: Witherspoon did something like that. Do you know who I am?

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Speaker 1: And I love her, but that ruined everything for me.

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Speaker 1: Trying to curry favor with the cops when you're totally

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Speaker 1: zonked out and that near empty bottle of Crown Royale

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Speaker 1: ain't helping a thing to you.

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Speaker 6: To jay No, But what was important was that the

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Speaker 6: lawyer presented us to the judge for bailbond purposes to

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Speaker 6: show that she probably passed a thorough Secretary of State's

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Speaker 6: Office for the State of Michigan background check, which would

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Speaker 6: not have shown felony convictions. She wouldn't have been on

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Speaker 6: probation and paroles, she wouldn't have been on the run

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Speaker 6: from another jurisdiction. So what the lawyer is doing is saying, Judge,

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Speaker 6: we want to bail Bine because she's a consistent person.

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Speaker 6: She goes to work for the State of Michigan every

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Speaker 6: for considering bailbond. The health of the individual. That was

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Speaker 6: the relevance. I don't know what she told the police

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Speaker 6: officers have the scene, but the relevance in the courtroom

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Speaker 6: from the defense lawyer was to show this is a

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Speaker 6: person that you should give a bail bond.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate that a probably in that jurisdiction, a

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Speaker 1: well known defense attorney could stand up in his Italian

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah and have a speech for the judge.

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Speaker 3: Fine.

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Speaker 1: I would be mad if she didn't, because that's what

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Speaker 1: they're getting paid to do. I'm asking about what happened

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Speaker 1: at the time of the crash. Let me go back

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Speaker 1: to Aaron Bowling and I like the way you did that.

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Speaker 1: Look here, not heared you to Shay. Aaron Bowling joining

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Speaker 1: US journalist w ILX News, Tim, can I get to

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Speaker 3: There are two dead people.

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Speaker 5: Officers did say that she was located within just three

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Speaker 5: went on to say, you know that her car was

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Speaker 5: located with severe damage to the front passenger side, consistent

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Speaker 5: with witness statements, as well as blood, hair and other

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Speaker 3: Now I'm hearing the facts.

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Speaker 1: Joining me now is forensic expert, founder of the Cold

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Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, and star of a Hitney podcast, Zone seven,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum joining us from her patrol car. Cheryl, thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us. A lot of people don't know that.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl also with Mad madd Mothers Against Drunk Driving Cheryl

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Speaker 1: mc so, let's break down what we know. Number one,

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Speaker 1: a pregnant mom of four with a near empty bottle

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Speaker 1: of Crown Royale. You know what Crown Royale is, right,

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Speaker 1: because I had so many cases, usually prostitution cases, where

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Speaker 1: on every crime scene there'll be an empty bottle of

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Speaker 1: what would be left of the crime scene.

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Speaker 3: And Crown Royale.

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Speaker 1: A pregnant mom of four with a near empty bottle

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Speaker 1: of Crown Royale slams into sixteen pedestrians walking along.

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Speaker 3: The side of the road, killing two.

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Speaker 1: We've got two dead bodies and a drunk pregnant mom.

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Speaker 7: This is a family that was walking at six thirty.

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Speaker 3: I mean this hit like.

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Speaker 8: It was two in the morning near some bar. They're

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Speaker 8: hit that number of people, the evidence that's going to

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Speaker 8: hair from numerous victims, tissue from numerous victims. The damage

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Speaker 8: And she left the scene. And I just want to

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Speaker 8: make one other point. This crime did not start at

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Speaker 7: That's when this crime started.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's break it down a little bit more than that.

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Speaker 1: Joining me also in addition to Aaron Bowling w I LX,

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Speaker 1: Raymond Judice from Atlanta, Cheryl McCollum obviously out on the

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Speaker 1: in the field, Doctor Bethany Marshall is joining us right now,

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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst from la and you can find her at Dr

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Speaker 1: Bethany marshall dot com. Her book deal Breaker went to

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Speaker 1: work on a relationship and when to walk away. Dr

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. What Cheryl McCollum just said, and this is

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Speaker 1: what someone like Raymond Judice would hate to hear in court.

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Speaker 1: That's when his horns and his tail would pop right out,

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Speaker 1: full of anger. But this is the truth. It's not

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Speaker 1: just at six point thirty pm. That's not when it

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Speaker 1: Crown Royale and downed it. It started when, allegedly when

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Speaker 1: mommy got those prescription drugs, antidepressants and had a few

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Speaker 3: That is why I have.

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Speaker 1: Long advocated there should not be a differentiation between vehicula

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Speaker 1: homicide charges and murder I charges. They both require intent,

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Speaker 1: and of course, doctor Bethany Marshall, you know that intent

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Speaker 1: So let's address that, Dr Bethany Marshall, Let's.

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Speaker 9: Backtrack even prior to what you're describing. This is not

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Speaker 9: day long. She has a been shrinking disorder. She left work,

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Speaker 9: she went straight to the liquor store and she was

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Speaker 9: That this was wrong on multiple levels. Pregnant women should

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Speaker 1: Could you repeat that slowly? She drove off the road

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Speaker 9: You know, in terms of substance use disorder, we can

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Speaker 9: guess that this woman has driven drunk many times. She

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Speaker 9: This is not a woman who drank for the first time.

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Speaker 9: Then this has been a long, long lead up, and

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Speaker 9: I'm sure many people in her community know about her

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Speaker 9: So everybody is complicit in this crime, not just her.

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Speaker 1: What about what doctor Bethany just told us. And she's

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Speaker 1: correct that this mom, a mom of four pregnant, allegedly

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Speaker 11: On a Saturday evening, a large group of family is

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Speaker 3: Okay. What is Crown Royale? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Released in the US in the sixties, a top selling

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Speaker 3: Here's what somebody writes.

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Speaker 1: By the end of the night, I was pretty intoxicated

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Speaker 1: all I know is that this pregnant mom of four

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Speaker 1: it wasn't night. It was still daylight. It was six

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Speaker 1: me now is a world renowned medical examiner, doctor William Maroney,

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Speaker 1: medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologist, opioid expert, and author of American Narcan,

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Speaker 1: Naxalone and Heroin Fentantyl Associate Immortality. And he has not

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Speaker 1: not just figure out how people died. Doctor William Roney.

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Speaker 1: It's real honor and privileged to have you on with

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Speaker 1: us today. Explain to me what you can in regular

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Speaker 4: There's important information to build on what Stephanie Marshall said.

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Speaker 4: Number One, you don't reach that level of alcohol just

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Speaker 3: Number Two, when she says.

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Speaker 4: Other people know that this person has this drinking problem,

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Speaker 4: the failure in the system is her OBGYN doctor is

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Speaker 4: she's responsible. They didn't screen her to catch alcohol and

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Speaker 4: substance use. So there's multiple failures there. But the big thing,

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Speaker 4: the big the C word in Michigan is Cannabis's leading

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Speaker 3: What's the C word?

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Speaker 4: Cannabis, cannabis, marijuana word.

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Speaker 1: Sadly, that's not where my mind went when you said

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Speaker 1: the C word. But what does that have to do

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Speaker 1: with this marijuana? Okay, I know she's got a really

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Speaker 4: They're not telling us it's marijuana plus alcohol. Everybody's smoking

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Speaker 4: in Michigan. Everybody's smoking. We have incomplete toxicology and the

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Speaker 4: driving is so erratic here it's more than alcohol, so

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Speaker 4: we have to wait for an expanded toxicology panel.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there is cannabis, inner system, antidepressants,

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Speaker 1: pharmaceuticals not with Crown Royal.

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Speaker 4: They won't release her toxicology until we get the court.

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Speaker 3: Oh that is so smart. Did you hear that? Raymond?

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Speaker 1: You to Jay, We don't have a full talks report,

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Speaker 1: and he's right. We don't know everything that was in

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Speaker 3: We don't know if there was potner system. That's a theory.

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Speaker 3: And again she's innocent until proven guilty. But m here's

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Speaker 3: a little evidence you might need to hear, Raymond. You

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Speaker 3: to Jay, listen.

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Speaker 11: Cops find a nearly empty pine sized bottle of Crown

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Speaker 11: Royal in Monroe's purse, along with anti depression medication. Officers

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Speaker 11: conductive field sobriety test with the suspected hit and run driver,

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Speaker 11: Ashley Monroe. The results of that test have not been released,

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Speaker 11: but a breathalyzer test performed at the Clinton County Jail

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Speaker 1: Swerving, booze and meds the booze found in her purse. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Raymond Judice, I don't want to just come n out

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Speaker 1: and say you're an expert in whiskey. But uh, let's

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Speaker 1: just talk about what we're hearing right now. I'm hoping

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Speaker 1: you did not come to air tonight with a flask

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Speaker 1: in your pocket.

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Speaker 3: I did not.

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Speaker 1: It tells me something about her. Maybe I need to

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Speaker 1: go to a shrink but Dr Bethany Marshall. But Ray,

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Speaker 1: she's got a pint in her purse and there's just

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Speaker 1: swerving along the road. Witnesses ce or go into a

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Speaker 1: two dead bodies, Ray, Why should she be treated any

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Speaker 1: differently because she's pregnant. That opens up the Pandora's box

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Speaker 1: a fetal alcohol syndrome. I can't believe that Maroney didn't

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Speaker 1: You know what that does to children when mommy drinks

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Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, I agree with everything that was said by

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Speaker 6: any type of painkillers, marijuana, antidepressants, percocets. You can go

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Speaker 6: It is relevant, but it doesn't accelerate the case. It

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Speaker 11: If I'm the I'm arguing for a lower bond. Ashley

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Speaker 11: Ronald Zowiki vouches that Monroe has no criminal background and

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Speaker 1: Ambulances eight of them race to the scene that they

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Speaker 1: cannot say. Two of the family members that are mowed

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Speaker 1: go straight to Cheryl McCollum, who not only is a

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Speaker 1: Drunk Driving for years. Cheryl, there's a statistic that is

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Speaker 3: Under the influence.

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Speaker 1: I believe the stat is they've driven how many times drunk?

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Speaker 8: Eighty at least eighty times. And Nancy, I want to

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Speaker 8: you know, just tell you. I got to see word

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Speaker 8: for you. It's culpability. The responsibility is straight with miss Monroe.

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Speaker 8: It is not her fiance, it's not her doctor, it's

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Speaker 8: not her neighbor's responsibility. I have never encountered an alcoholic

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Speaker 7: They she knew she had a problem.

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Speaker 8: This was not the first time that she is driven intoxicated.

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Speaker 7: She was twice the legal limit. And let me tell

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Speaker 8: Purse was an attempt to hide it before she stopped

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was definitely an attempt to hide it.

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Speaker 1: A drunk, pregnant Michigan mom of four smashes into sixteen pedestrians,

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Speaker 3: Defense is going to go.

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Speaker 1: Of course they'll attack the blood alcohol sample, that'll be

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Speaker 3: So it's all on her.

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Speaker 1: And how many times think of those eighty times that

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Speaker 3: For children in the car.

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Speaker 9: You know, Nancy, I have to respectfully disagree with you

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Speaker 9: and with Cheryl, although it hurts me fun lovatable so much.

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Speaker 3: I think everybody is culpable.

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Speaker 9: And the reason for this, Nancy, is that their children involved,

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Speaker 9: of the whole community I think is because everybody knew

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Speaker 3: Who was there to be a voice for these children.

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Speaker 9: Who was there to say that this mother is is

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Speaker 3: That had to be a horrible impact.

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Speaker 1: If the front grill of her car was that that

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Speaker 8: If you think about any vehicle you've ever seen that

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Speaker 8: You're going to have blood from numerous victims, hair and

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Speaker 8: The tail lights are going to be busted, the hood,

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Speaker 8: It had to be one of the worst things these

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Speaker 10: The alleged pregnant drunk driver, Ashley Monroe, is now facing

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Speaker 10: eleven charges related to the crash. Monroe is charged with

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Speaker 10: eight counts of DUI causing serious injury or death and

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Speaker 10: three counts of leaving the scene of an injurious or

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Speaker 10: deadly crash. At Monroe's arraignment, prosecutors hint that more charges

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Speaker 10: may be filed as they learn more of the surviving

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Speaker 10: victim's injuries. Monroe cries and appears distressed throughout her arraignment.

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Speaker 10: Through a public defender, Monroe leads not guilty to all

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Speaker 10: counts to.

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Speaker 1: Doctor William Roney, joining US Medical Examiner, toxicologists, and author

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Speaker 1: about how many drinks would equal over twice the legal limit.

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Speaker 3: I believe it is zero point one eight five.

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Speaker 4: Depends on the size and the weight of who's drinking,

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Speaker 4: but that's probably five or six drinks coming out of

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Speaker 4: a pint, and then you need one hour.

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Speaker 3: To come down enough.

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Speaker 4: Well, you'd need four or five hours to come down

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Speaker 4: from that level of drinking to less than not legally drunk.

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Speaker 3: Any way you look at it.

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Speaker 4: To get to that level and function as a driver

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Speaker 4: is years of drinking. So that's not somebody who just

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Speaker 4: had some Crown Royal this summer or a picnic or

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Speaker 4: you know, a little something after work. That's years of drinking.

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Speaker 4: And that's where you'd have to say family members, people

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Speaker 4: at work, obgyn, it's primary care. Everybody had a chance

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Speaker 4: to screen her somehow. It's universal screening with obgyns. They

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Speaker 4: have to ask you, especially when you walk in as

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Speaker 4: a new pregnancy. New patients should be universally screened in

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Speaker 4: obgyn offices. And then the interesting thing is she tested

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Speaker 4: at the Clinton County jail for the breathalyzer. She was

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Speaker 4: taken to a hospital and those results will not be

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Speaker 4: back for two or three weeks, and that'll be a

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Speaker 4: full broad spectrum drugs of abuse. And that's why they

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Speaker 4: can't tell us what's in her. They can't tell us

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Speaker 4: what the antidepressants are. Just because she had addepressants doesn't

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Speaker 4: mean they're hers. People swap and trade medicine all the time.

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Speaker 1: What have the mixture of antidepressants in Crown Royale time

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Speaker 1: space dilation, misperception of speed, and.

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Speaker 3: Blurred peripheral vision.

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Speaker 4: So when she hit those people, she wasn't going twenty

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Speaker 4: miles an hour. She was going fifty five or sixty.

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Speaker 4: I drive through Clinton County, I've been there. It's a

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Speaker 4: good ems, good law enforcement, but the addiction services it

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Speaker 4: might as well be Roswell New.

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Speaker 1: Mexico crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys, two people, Dad,

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Speaker 1: an entire family mode over by this drunk mom to

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Speaker 1: Raymond Judice, you know what's going to happen at trial?

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Speaker 1: Right as you sit there squirming while the prosecutor gets

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Speaker 1: out six glasses, gets the bottle of Crown and pours

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Speaker 1: each one, or maybe they'll put it in a picture

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Speaker 1: that's much more effective, you know, And you pour it,

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Speaker 1: and you pour it and you pour I mean, I

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Speaker 1: can't even drink six glasses of water that fast. Much

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Speaker 1: less six glasses of crown really, plus we think the antidepressants.

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Speaker 3: We're waiting for.

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Speaker 1: That full panel of what was in her blood to

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Speaker 1: come back.

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Speaker 3: That's what we're waiting on. WHOA, what do you do

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Speaker 3: at a moment like that.

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Speaker 1: Like look at your fingernails, look out the window, play

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Speaker 1: a little candy crush.

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Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, when you have to sit through a bad case,

497
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Speaker 6: you make sure that you have as you say, you

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Speaker 6: focus on the evidence and your obligation and your client.

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Speaker 6: But let me direct what I would do is defense

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Speaker 6: lawyer in Georgia. You have to be read what's called

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Speaker 6: the implied consent law. Think of it as the miranda

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Speaker 6: rights for dui charges. So was that breath test consensually

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Speaker 6: given by her? Did the state get a warrant for

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Speaker 6: the blood test? Look, these are the standard issues in

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Speaker 6: any terminals.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean the blood test consensual? Do you

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Speaker 1: think they chase down a pregnant, drunk lady and threw

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Speaker 1: her down at dick her blood? What do you mean

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Speaker 1: was it consensual?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, we had we had a strapped down

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Speaker 6: chair here in Georgia until it was a real dog

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Speaker 6: right Supreme Court. So did they Forcully take a test.

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Speaker 6: Was she willing in consent? And was she read their

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Speaker 6: state of Michigan's functional equivalent of the implied consent, because

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Speaker 6: you have a right to decline to take either a

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Speaker 6: bread test or a blood test in a DUI case.

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Speaker 6: But those the standard charges in every single DUI case,

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Speaker 6: whether it's a misdemeanor first offense or a felony the

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Speaker 6: Kyle homicide with multiple accidents, these issues are going to

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Speaker 6: be pre litigated because I want to get that bread

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Speaker 6: test out of evidence, so the good prosecutor can't set

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Speaker 6: up the six glasses of or the picture or the

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Speaker 6: pint of Crown Royale. I mean, I know that's coming.

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Speaker 6: That's what a good prosecutor to do. Let me just

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Speaker 6: say most prosecutors, and this their biggest problem in this

526
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Speaker 6: case is to not overdo it. You know, don't o

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Speaker 6: Jay Simpson, it as the prosecution keep your eyes on

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Speaker 6: the ball.

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Speaker 1: Well, right there, I disagree with you. I wouldn't call

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Speaker 1: it an accident, right you know how.

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Speaker 3: I feel about that. This is a crash. This is

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Speaker 3: no accident.

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Speaker 1: I know you're going to characterize it as an accident,

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Speaker 1: but hey, you know what this is. This is by

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Speaker 1: far the first time that children have been mowed down

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Speaker 1: by a drunk driver.

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Speaker 3: Does the name Tyler Phillips.

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Speaker 12: Phillips and his sister, Crystal Randolph, both of them were

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Speaker 12: thirteen years old at the time, walking down Granny Road

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Speaker 12: and they were headed to their residents. They were walking

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Speaker 12: southbound in the bike lane when an unknown vehicle struck Tyler,

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Speaker 12: a thirteen year old was killed. Taken from us too early.

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Speaker 12: The devastation that has hurt the family. Words cannot explain.

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Speaker 12: We need people to come forward.

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Speaker 3: Wake it up.

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Speaker 5: Every morning I see my son hurts, so please come forward.

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Speaker 3: Please. Christmas is not going to be the same without him.

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Speaker 1: And who could forget the name Ethan Couch aka Afluenza Team.

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Speaker 11: Ethan Couch was just sixteen when he killed four people

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Speaker 11: and wounded nine others while he was drunk on drugs

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Speaker 11: and speeding. His attorney said it was his parent's fault

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Speaker 11: for never telling the boy no, never having any consequences

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Speaker 11: for his actions. It was called affluenza and the judge

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Speaker 11: bought it. Couch has sentenced to an unspecified rehab facility

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Speaker 11: at his parents' expense. The time he had to stay

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Speaker 11: also unspecified for killing four people, and he still didn't

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Speaker 11: follow the rules.

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Speaker 3: I mean, does it ever end.

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Speaker 1: I've got stacks of paper here, and all of these

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Speaker 1: we call similar transactions. Drunk drivers mowing down children on

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Speaker 1: the side of the road, mowing down pedestrians that are

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Speaker 1: just walking along the side of the road, Affluenza tine

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Speaker 1: mowed down a Sunday school teacher.

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Speaker 3: It just goes on and on. I mean, how do

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Speaker 3: you stand.

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Speaker 1: At, Cheryl McCollum when you were working with mad mothers

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Speaker 1: against drunk driving day after day after day, so easily

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Speaker 1: avoidable homicide, Nancy.

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Speaker 8: Because the lives of these victims mattered, and you have

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Speaker 8: to fight every day because even though we have uber

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Speaker 8: in all these ride shairs and lift, people still make

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Speaker 8: the decision to get in their car intoxicated.

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Speaker 7: So we have to get up and do it every day.

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Speaker 7: There's no choice. In order for this crime to be

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Speaker 7: reduced in some way. You've not stopped. It's one hundred

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Speaker 7: percent preventable, one hundred stay out of the car. That's

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Speaker 7: all you gotta do.

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Speaker 2: Prosecutor Deborah Martinez ask the judge for a five hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars bond, saying that had first responders not arrived

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Speaker 2: so quickly, there could have been additional victims. Martinez argues

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Speaker 2: that the sheer number of victims should constitute a higher bond,

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Speaker 2: adding that the state believes Monroe poses a serious risk

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Speaker 2: to the public. Judge Michael Clarizio agrees with Martinez, doubling

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Speaker 2: the requested bond to one million dollars.

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Speaker 13: They did the Sparkler exit where everybody lines up in

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Speaker 13: like sparklers and they go underneath. I'm the happiest I've

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Speaker 13: ever seen her in her life.

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Speaker 3: They got on the golf cart. They left.

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Speaker 13: Ten minutes later. We went to our airbnb, which was

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Speaker 13: before their so they were still traveling. I started hearing

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Speaker 13: sirens and literally I looked at my daughter and I said,

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Speaker 13: something happened to Sam. I knew something happened to Sam.

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Speaker 1: Something did happen to Sam. You are hearing, Mom Lisa Miller,

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Speaker 1: Her daughter was actually leaving her wedding reception with the

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Speaker 1: groom on a golf cart, still wearing her wedding dress,

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Speaker 1: when a drunk driver, Jamie Kamarowski plows into them going

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Speaker 1: across grass, just like in the present case, killing Sam

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Speaker 1: on her wedding day. I earlier asked Cheryl McCollum, a

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Speaker 1: forensic expert former state director of Mad Mothers Against Drunk Driving,

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Speaker 1: how she does it day after day after day seeing

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Speaker 1: drunk drivers claim lives and reimon jud Jay, as much

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Speaker 1: h el as I've given you for defending drunk drivers,

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Speaker 1: how do you.

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Speaker 3: Do it every day?

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Speaker 1: I know you win a lot of cases practically everyone,

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Speaker 1: But how do you do it? Take that toll it

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Speaker 1: must take knowing your client was completely drunk and climbing alive.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, Nancy. Part of the problem is that often,

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Speaker 6: as both of our doctors have pointed out, the defendant

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Speaker 6: may not be the al Capone type criminal that we

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Speaker 6: so assigned to, you know, homicides. Most of them are basically,

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Speaker 6: in many parts of their life, good productive citizens with

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Speaker 6: a substance problem, abuse of the substance, and so their

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Speaker 6: whole life is being measured by that day, by that out,

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Speaker 6: the three hours at the bar. And it's tragic because

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Speaker 6: they're often just like this individual. They don't have a

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Speaker 6: criminal history, they have children, they go to a job

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Speaker 6: with the State of Michigan, they pay taxes, and now

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Speaker 6: they're being prosecuted for a type of homicide violations. So

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Speaker 6: they deserve the best. Listen, we have great prosecutors in

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Speaker 6: the state of Georgia. I don't win every case. I

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Speaker 6: wish I did good folks like Cheryl and mad When

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Speaker 6: I was a baby prosecutor in nineteen eighty five here

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Speaker 6: Intocab County, Georgia, the legal limit was z point one two.

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Speaker 6: It's been reduced by a third, and it's been reduced

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Speaker 6: by greater amounts for tractor trailer drivers, commercial drivers, and

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Speaker 6: young adults. So MADD's done a great job. I'm a

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Speaker 6: citizen of this community. I don't want anybody I know

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Speaker 6: a love or care about to be harmed by a

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Speaker 6: junk child.

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Speaker 1: You know, Ray, what you said is a dichotomy that

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Speaker 1: I could not afford as a prosecutor. Yes, I know

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Speaker 1: this is a mother of four. You think she wants

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Speaker 1: to be separated from her children?

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Speaker 3: You know what? You might as well just bet a stake.

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Speaker 1: Through my heart and take me away from John, David

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Speaker 1: and Lucy. You think she's happy behind bars, pregnant, away

638
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 1: from her other four children, thinking about what she's done.

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Speaker 1: We haven't even said the names Jonathan esh and Daniel Harris.

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Speaker 1: They're dead, but in my world, in order tocus on

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Speaker 1: the facts.

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Speaker 3: I can't feel empathy for the drunk mom. I can't.

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Speaker 1: I have to look at the facts, and the facts

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Speaker 1: are as much as this is a tragedy for her,

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Speaker 1: she will live, her children will live. Jonathan ash and

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Speaker 1: Dale Harris will not, and their families will have a

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Speaker 1: life sentence without them. I do not envy this jury,

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Speaker 1: and we wait as justice unfolds. Right now, we stop

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Speaker 1: to remember American hero Sergeant Richard Mendez Philly. Sergeant Mendez

650
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Speaker 1: shot and killed at the Philly Airport twenty three years

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Speaker 1: with the force now awarded posthumously the Purple Heart and

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Speaker 1: metal of Honor survived by grieving wife Alexandra, daughter Mia

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Speaker 1: American hero Sergeant Richard Mendez. I want to thank all

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Speaker 1: for all of their knowledge, their expertise that they bring

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Speaker 1: seek justice. Nancy Gray signing off, good night, friend,