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Speaker 2: Drive into the Lake, Close Up.

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Speaker 2: Davis, the drama, Goodness, the explosiveness of parent Davis upside

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Speaker 3: Baron Davis, what is up? Family?

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Forgotten Seasons. I'm Dylan Dreyfus, your host, and

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Speaker 4: today we will be taking a trip back to two

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Speaker 4: thousand and one and reliving the Charlotte Hornet season. This

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Speaker 4: team was led by a twenty one year old Baron Davis,

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Speaker 4: and they were really good. They won forty six games.

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Speaker 4: They upset the Heat in the first round. They had

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Speaker 4: a really tough nail bier seven game loss to the

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Speaker 4: Bucks in the second round. Outside of Baron was a

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Speaker 4: Dynamics scoring forward Jamal Mashburn Elite Elite Elite. We had

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Speaker 4: a veteran big man PJ. Brown and the team's captain,

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Speaker 4: David Wesley. And today to help us relive this season

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Speaker 4: is the star of the team. The second year point

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Speaker 4: guard hailing from La Baron Davis, we got a lot

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Speaker 4: going on this year. It was the hornets second to

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Speaker 4: last season in Charlotte before they fled to New Orleans.

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Speaker 4: During the season, the Hornets actually filed for relocation to Memphis,

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Speaker 4: which was later pulled and taken by the Vancouver Grizzlies.

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Speaker 4: We had an offseason trade leading up to this year

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Speaker 4: So, you know, a lot going on here. This is

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Speaker 4: going to be a really good one. I'm pumped. Thank

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Speaker 4: you guys for tuning in Forgotten Seasons with Baron Davis

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Speaker 4: in the two thousand and one Hornets begins right now.

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Speaker 4: Welcome everybody, Welcome Baron Davis to the Forgotten Seasons podcast.

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Speaker 4: Today we are going to be focusing on the two

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Speaker 1: Thank you for hopping on.

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Speaker 3: How you doing man, good bro? So what's happening?

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Speaker 1: What do you remember?

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Speaker 4: Just like you know, a second year, twenty one year

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Speaker 1: What comes to mind first?

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Speaker 2: It was like, I know, my second year, it was

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Speaker 2: like it was all business, you know, my first year

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Speaker 2: when I got back to Charlotte, I didn't really care

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Speaker 2: I would say that season for me was like that

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Speaker 2: know every game I had, you know, the coaches post

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Speaker 2: Burn in practice, learn from him. He had the coldest

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Speaker 2: And you know, our team was like we're.

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Speaker 2: And for me, it was just like I was I

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Speaker 3: My rookie year, I was trying to be who they

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Speaker 1: No, one hundred percent. I mean, you really break out.

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Speaker 4: I think when I think of you back then, I

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Speaker 2: Gonna happen anyway. I remember being picked up. I used

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Speaker 3: Man. He taught me how to be a professional fly,

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Speaker 3: I wasn't feeling it. That was my dog.

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Speaker 3: To go to war dog.

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Speaker 2: And it was like that kind of like that mentality,

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Speaker 3: You gotta hate your opponent, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: But I think when we got Mash and PJ, we

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Speaker 3: Believe it or.

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Speaker 2: Not, he still does not get the credit he deserves, right,

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Speaker 4: So I want to go down the roster real quick.

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Speaker 4: And when I say the player, I just want you

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Speaker 4: that comes to mind. So let's start with mash right,

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Speaker 4: a guy that I try and highlight a lot on

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Speaker 4: Forgotten Seasons. Like you watch his highlights and it's unbelievable,

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Speaker 4: like how much work he was giving people on a

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Speaker 3: Uh, he was embarrassing people. That was.

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Speaker 2: Like I would say, mash was like he was a

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Speaker 2: You know, that was a monster. That was a monster

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Speaker 1: David Wesley, I believe the captain, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Captain tough as nails. D d Up. That was my dog.

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Speaker 2: He was you know, he was the other half of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, back then, it was a lot more like veteran

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Speaker 2: Time proderie chemistry. You know, everybody's coming out the gate.

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Speaker 3: By All Star.

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Speaker 2: Weekend, you know, you pretty much know what type of

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Speaker 2: we about to sock these dudes in their mouth, and

440
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 2: if they say something else, we're gonna sock them again.

441
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 3: We're gonna sock.

442
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 2: We're just gonna keep socking them because we don't believe that,

443
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:28,120
Speaker 2: you know, like the bully shit ain't gonna work with us, right, Ah,

444
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: we know Mace, right, we know Mace because Mace. You know, shit,

445
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 2: We're not not scared of Mace, you know what I mean.

446
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 2: We know his game and we know what he gonna do.

447
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: But we not like we weren't afraid. Like maybe if

448
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 2: Mace wasn't on our team and he was on that team,

449
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: it would have been different, but he was our teammates,

450
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 2: so it was more so like we're not intimidated. You know,

451
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 2: everybody else wasn't intimidated by by Mace.

452
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

453
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: And you know, we had and we had the match

454
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 2: up and you know it was me playing against Tim

455
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: right away.

456
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 3: You know, my dude I idolized growing up.

457
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: So you know, I was nervous as hell going into

458
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 2: that playoffs and I was like, Yo, just don't let

459
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 2: the score get close, because this motherfucker will just shoot

460
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 2: a random three, you.

461
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 3: Know what I mean. And I guess it was just.

462
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: Full out paddock dog pick up, full pressure, pressure pressure,

463
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 2: and they just we.

464
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 3: Just broke them. We just broke them. We just broke

465
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Speaker 3: them down. I mean, if you watch that series.

466
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Speaker 2: We really bullied to We really punked him from all angles,

467
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, We just really it and.

468
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Speaker 1: It wasn't close.

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Speaker 4: I mean, twenty six point win the first game, uh,

470
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Speaker 4: twenty six again the second game, and then you guys

471
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Speaker 4: close it out in three by fifteen. There's another element

472
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 4: that I'm not even sure if you're aware of, but

473
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 4: Paul Silas didn't really like Pat Riley at that time.

474
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 4: He coached under Riley in Miami as an assistant, and

475
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 4: if you go back, there's articles from them, and Silas

476
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 4: thought that that Riley like deemed the lazy tag on

477
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 4: him and he had trouble getting a job. So you know,

478
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 4: maybe that also, you know, you're you did you even

479
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 4: know about that aware of that time?

480
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 3: I had no idea.

481
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 4: But that's dope hearing, you know that like war mentality,

482
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 4: because it does start, you know, from the top with

483
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Speaker 4: the coach.

484
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Speaker 1: So he wanted it too.

485
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 3: We were prepared.

486
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: We were gonna let Bruce Bowen and Den Marley beat us,

487
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 2: and we were gonna leave whoever it was open in

488
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: the corner and it was just gonna have to make

489
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: ten fifteen open threes and back then you know, people

490
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: weren't taking threes like that, right, So and Bruce Bow

491
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: and Marley whoever in Miami in the corner, we not

492
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 2: We're not gonna even run out there.

493
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to hit that ship by yourself.

494
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, And what's the what's the headband story?

495
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: How does that come about?

496
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 2: The headman was just something that you know, I was

497
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 2: rocking with and then we started getting that me and

498
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 2: Ricky Davis was doing it.

499
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 3: Then I got David Wesley.

500
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 2: By the time the playoffs start, we wanted to to

501
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: do some in Unison, so I thank everybody we had

502
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: the rock Ahead band. So we did headband. I think

503
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: we did black shoes, black socks like that, just trying

504
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: to show like some solidarity. We had our own little chat,

505
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: our little rough Riders chat.

506
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 4: We was a lot so channeling their inner DMX Baron

507
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 4: and the Hornets swept the Heat three zero in the

508
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 4: first round. And before we go, just a few points

509
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Speaker 4: I wanted to talk about to close it out. One

510
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 4: what made the team so special? To how the season ended,

511
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 4: and three just the downfall the Hornets in their first

512
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 4: stint in Charlotte. So first, what made this team special?

513
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 4: There's a lot of elements. Here at the center, of course,

514
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 4: is a twenty one year old Baron Davis, who was

515
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 4: lighting up the league. In today's game, freak athlete point

516
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 4: guards aren't super uncommon. You got Russell Westbrook, John Morant,

517
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 4: you go back a few years and you got Derek

518
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 4: Rose and John Wall. But it can't be downplayed just

519
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 4: how exciting Baron was in the early two thousands. Outside

520
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 4: of BD, you had Jamal Mashburn, an incredibly under rated

521
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 4: score and the guy that gelled with the Hornets from

522
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 4: the moment he got there. Then PJ Brown, who came

523
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,239
Speaker 4: over in the Mashburn trade, that veteran influenced toneesetter and

524
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 4: just solid rock of the team. And as Baron said,

525
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 4: they really believed that they could beat any team on

526
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 4: any given night. And that sort of moves into the

527
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 4: end of the season. After the three to zero sweep

528
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 4: of the Heat, the Hornets would meet Milwaukee in the

529
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 4: second round, the team that we've covered unforgotten seasons with

530
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 4: Sam Cassell and George carl It was one of the

531
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 4: most epic series of the early two thousands. You had

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00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 4: the Bucks winning the first two games at home, and

533
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 4: then the Hornets punching right back and taking the next three.

534
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 4: That three zero Hornets run in the middle of the

535
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 4: series was an incredible display of just Jamal Mashburns brilliance.

536
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 4: He poured in thirty six in Game three, thirty one

537
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 4: in Game four, and then twenty four in Game five.

538
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 4: But as many of us know, the Bucks would eventually

539
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 4: prevail in seven games. We had an amazing Baron performance

540
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 4: in that Game seven loss. And you would think that,

541
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 4: you know, coming off of a successful playoff run for

542
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 4: a six seed, right upsetting the Heat in the first round,

543
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 4: going toe to toe with an amazing Bucks team in

544
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 4: the second round, you would think that that would translate

545
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 4: to increased fan support, you know, the city of Charlotte

546
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 4: rallying around the Hornets. But that was not the case

547
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 4: at all. Really, quite the opposite happened. It wasn't because

548
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 4: of Baron or anybody on the Hornets. Much had to

549
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 4: do with George Shin, the team's owner. Just to go back,

550
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 4: Shin brought the team to the city in nineteen eighty eight,

551
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 4: and Charlotte loved him. I mean, you know, North Carolina

552
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 4: basketball state. They didn't have a pro basketball team, and

553
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 4: Shin gave them that they threw a parade in his honor,

554
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 4: They tossed rose petals at his feet, lavished him with

555
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 4: gifts fit for its king. But fast forward to you know,

556
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 4: two thousand and one, two thousand and two, and the

557
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 4: relationship between Shin and the city was quite the opposite.

558
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 4: Around this time, there were some really ugly assault allegations

559
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 4: against him. Coupled with that was him just sort of

560
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 4: constantly toying around with trying to get funding for a

561
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 4: new arena and then you know, filing for relocation to Memphis.

562
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 4: Fans stopped showing up for games. They publicly bashed him,

563
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 4: as Baron mentioned in the interview, like you know, they

564
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 4: were playing in front of like five thousand people less.

565
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 4: So in after the two thousand and two season, as

566
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 4: we know, the Hornets did end up leaving, not to Memphis,

567
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 4: but to New Orleans. Baron has said multiple times that

568
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 4: New Orleans is not a city fit for an NBA team.

569
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 4: In his words, it's a tourist city. They have little

570
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 4: to know fortune, five hundred companies to generate, you know,

571
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 4: the sponsorships and partnerships that an NBA franchise needs, and

572
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 4: just outside of that, football dominates the culture. You got

573
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 4: the Saints, you got LSU just outside and in the

574
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 4: almost twenty years that the Hornets have been in New Orleans,

575
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 4: there has been very little success. Like you had the

576
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 4: Chris Paul teams in the late two thousands that did

577
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 4: make some noise, you know, they had Chris Paul, but

578
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 4: other than that, there really hasn't been not much. They've

579
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 4: had stars, you know, Anthony Davis. Now they've got Zion.

580
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 4: But you know, Baron's talked about that he did not

581
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 4: enjoy playing in New Orleans. Of course, Charlotte did get

582
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 4: their team back with the Bobcats. But just to wrap up,

583
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 4: you know, this season is fascinating on many levels. You

584
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 4: have the breakout of Baron Davis, you have the big

585
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 4: trade centered around Eddie Jones and Jamal Mashburn, that epic

586
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 4: seven game series with the Bucks and the Hornets, and

587
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 4: the beginning of the end of the Hornets first Stint

588
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 4: and Charlotte. So, Baron, thank you for coming out. I

589
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 4: really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for supporting the page, and be well my men.

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Speaker 3: All right, thanks bos So, that's.

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